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Life, Health & The Universe
Where Human Design Meets Physical Healing - Kinesiologist & Human Design Guide, Emily Shine
Ever wondered why you feel so different from everyone else, or why burnout seems to hit you harder than others? The answer might lie in your energetic blueprint.
From the moment Emily Shine begins speaking, her passion for Human Design Kinesiology is palpable. As founder of this groundbreaking modality, she bridges the conscious understanding of who we are with the body's cellular wisdom to create profound transformation. Emily's journey began with her own health struggles—debilitating anxiety that conventional approaches couldn't fully address—leading her to discover kinesiology's power to access what the body remembers even when the mind has processed trauma.
Throughout our conversation, Emily demystifies Human Design, describing it as "a roadmap for swimming downstream instead of upstream." She explains how this system—blending astrology, the I Ching, chakras, and Kabbalah—reveals our energetic makeup and natural operating instructions. But the magic happens when kinesiology enters the equation, allowing practitioners to bypass conscious thought and directly communicate with the body's intelligence through muscle testing.
What sets Emily's approach apart is its ability to accelerate the deconditioning process. While traditional Human Design suggests it takes seven years to shed societal programming, Human Design Kinesiology offers a shortcut by identifying and clearing energetic blocks at the physical level. She shares remarkable stories of transformation—particularly for non-energy types like Projectors and Manifestors who often experience deep conditioning against their natural ways of operating.
Perhaps most fascinating is the connection to our DNA. Each Human Design gate corresponds with specific amino acids, allowing Emily's work to potentially reprogram gene expression at the molecular level. "When we're balancing those within the body," she explains, "we're actually reprogramming our DNA."
Whether you're new to these concepts or deeply familiar with Human Design, Emily's practical wisdom offers something valuable—from simple practices to realign with your energy type to insights about relationships and parenting through design. Her embodied approach reminds us that true transformation happens not just through understanding who we are, but through living it through our nervous system and energetic body.
Ready to discover your energetic blueprint? Listen now and learn how to live in alignment with your true design.
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Welcome to Life, health and the Universe, bringing you stories that connect us, preventative and holistic health practices to empower us and esoteric wisdom to enlighten us. We invite you to visit our website, where you can access the podcast, watch on YouTube and find all of our guests in the guest directory. Visit lifehealththeuniversepodcastpageio. Now let's get stuck into this week's episode. Today, I'm excited to introduce our guest, emily Shine. Emily, among other things, is the founder of Human Design Kinesiology, a unique modality that blends the deep insights of the human design system with the body-based healing of kinesiology. Her approach is all about embodiment not just learning who we are, but living it through our nervous system and energetic body. Let's dive into Emily's world and discover what it means to live in alignment with your energetic blueprint. Thank you so much for joining me today, emily.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to be a great conversation. Um, we've just both recently been to the human design conference a couple of weeks ago and I saw you present there. Um, and I said to one of my friends that I was um sitting with. I was like I gotta get her on the podcast and she's like, yes, and then you beat me to it yeah, I was like well then she was, you were on my list.
Speaker 1:Like you were literally on my list on my desk when your message came through and I was like well, there you go. So that's um brilliant. Thank you so much for being here oh, it's my pleasure, my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 2:Uh, I will say a little. Forgive me in advance if you do hear a little guy in the background making some noise. I'm a mum, among many other things, and I have a little, 18 month old, and he's very wow, good on you.
Speaker 1:Like you've got a lot 10 and 9. Yeah, and we run a gym at home in the shed. So I'll apologize in advance, because I just went down to the shed and said to my husband got a podcast interview, try not to turn the music up too loud and we'll just have to forgive any grunting that we hear.
Speaker 2:My 3-5 profile just loves the imperfectness and loves it. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1:I love it. Well, you know, it's real life, right? It's that? Yeah, sometimes we just can't help those things. So, yeah, thank you for joining me, um, amidst all of the things. Yeah, for sure, for sure, I'm here for it. All right, let's get stuck in. So can you take us back to the beginning? What led you into the world of kinesiology and spiritual mentoring? Is that where you started?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Look, I grew up in a very sort of new-aged household.
Speaker 2:My grandfather was a past-life regression therapist in the 60s which is not when that was a big thing, like that was a very woo-woo back then and yeah, so he sort of that became like our family, I guess, business, my mum's a past-life regression therapist, hypnotherapist. You know it was very normal for us to go to naturopaths instead of doctors, and well, not instead of, but as well as and, yeah, going to gypsy fairs. That was all very normal for us. So you know, as I grew up, I was already very accustomed to things like natural health. I wanted to be a naturopath in school. That's what I was aiming to be.
Speaker 2:I did struggle with a lot of health problems as a kid and a lot of trauma and as a result, when I sort of got to the age of 15, 16, I developed a crippling anxiety disorder from both having a terrible gut brain connection and lots of trauma and PTSD and I tried all the conventional ways of trying to get through that. And then when I was about 20-ish I'm going to say a lady that I met sort of randomly was like, have you tried kinesiology? And I was like, no, what's kinesiology? And I went and had a session. I just remember walking out of that first session, going, I can feel something has moved. Obviously it wasn't this magic pill that I was cured of everything straight away. But I could feel that I'd actually gotten under something and it was because you know and I still talk about this today and this is a big part of the whole you know, movement with human design, kinesiology is that we can.
Speaker 2:We can do lots of talk therapy and it's really important to do that. But you can work it all out in your conscious mind and you can be okay with something in your conscious mind, but your body remembers still, the cells remember still. So when we go into the cells and we start unpacking the nervous system and re-regulating the nervous system, that's when we actually can find that homeostasis. So that's what kind of set me on this path with kinesiology. I couldn't afford to do naturopathy at the time because I was not a citizen in Australia, so I had to pay for my uni courses all up front and I think back then it was like quite a lot. I think it was like 40 or 50 thousand dollars that I would have had to have come up with as like a you know, 19, 20 year old.
Speaker 2:that was not on my list um, so yeah, kinesiology, I think, was about 25 back then and it was something that I could achieve. So I worked really hard. I think I was about 25 back then and it was something that I could achieve, so I worked really hard. I think I was working like three jobs to pay for my kinesiology course, but I just threw everything at it to become a kinesiologist because I just knew straight away that this was going to be my life, like this was a part of my forever. So yeah, so I think I became a kinesiologist around 24-ish, 23, 24. So yeah, I'd be going on about 13 years of being a kinesiologist now, wow, wow.
Speaker 2:So that obviously my next question was whether you had something in your personal health journey that triggered this choice, catalyzed this path, and obviously it did, yeah, many, many, many things, and I think that's just the life of a 3-5, right Like we, you know, we're here to put ourselves into these sort of precarious positions, to learn through them and then take that learning and help others. It's literally my whole design. So, yeah, it's amazing how kinesiology actually fits the 3-5 money gen perfectly. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1:Now this is like a trick question. Yeah, because I know well, I've just interviewed Kim Gould and I'm in her membership in the Love your Design membership, love Kim. So, no, you know a bit about human design. I'm certainly not a professional and um, so, for those listening, like, we have had a few human design um guests on the podcast, but it's not specifically about just human design um. So, and the reason it's a trick question is because kim still says that she has difficulty answering this, here we go what is human design in simple terms? Um, and then, if you could kind of like, just do a brief like what's a three, five?
Speaker 2:manny jen yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So human design what is human design? Yeah, is it's a big question? I think that's the thing. It's such a big question, like, how do you encapsulate it? Yeah, yeah, especially to the listeners at home, without them getting really confused.
Speaker 2:Um, but honestly, if, if you know astrology and you know your natal chart from an astrology perspective, it's not too far of a leap from there.
Speaker 2:So we take astrology, we smoosh it together with the chinese I Ching in the chakra system, the Kabbalah tree of life, and then we come out with this beautiful system that tells us how our energy is organized, how we were born to operate within the world, and it really just becomes the roadmap of how we can work with ourselves, with life, swim downstream instead of upstream, and that's what I loved so much about it.
Speaker 2:When I came across it you know I was already working with energy medicine. I already had a deep resonance with understanding our astrological makeup and when I saw it all smushed together in this beautiful multifaceted oh my gosh, I'm a manager and I love this system I was like, wow, this is absolutely the most you know ultimate permission piece for people to know themselves and be themselves and live within that frequency. So essentially, that's what it is. It's a system that breaks up and tells us who we are, how we operate, how our energy is organized and, um you know, how we can get through life, navigate life with ease and with, with, with the least, the path of release resistance that's pretty good.
Speaker 1:That's a pretty good summing up of it. That would be it, um. So you found um that you were a manifesting generator. I'm also a manifesting generator and, like, I looked at your website and I was like God, she does a lot of things. That's something that people say to me all the time and I'm like I don't feel like.
Speaker 2:I'm doing anything.
Speaker 1:Do you get that as well?
Speaker 2:No, everyone absolutely says I do a lot and I think I know I do a lot, but does it feel?
Speaker 1:like you're doing it a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely it does, it genuinely does.
Speaker 2:But, at the same time. I like it that way, that's how I'm built to be, and I think finding out that I was a money gen was again. It was such a permission piece because I was always told by society to just pick one thing and try and master it like that generator. And I hated that. I was like no, and I then I thought that I was just indecisive or I couldn't commit to things. And it wasn't the case, because I was committing to things. I was just committing to five things and I like it that way. It keeps me entertained. So you know, and I'll always give myself permission to to do that you know, like I've studied I think I think something ridiculous like 15 different energy medicine modalities. Now I've, you know, I've taken bits and pieces from all of them. I've developed courses that dip in and out of all of those things, which is very true to a money gen. And now I'm back at uni studying again because I want to add midwifery to my, to my toolkit, so, and I'm doing that full-time while I'm parenting an 18-month-old.
Speaker 2:If anyone's listening to this going, oh, she sounds a bit like me. You're probably a manager. I'm a hectic one. I'll give you that I am a hectic one. Yeah, I have ADHD on top of it, but, um, yeah, essentially the, the MGs are the ADHD of the human design system. We love to be multitaskers. We have a lot on the go all the time. We go, go, go, go go. But we also do need downtime as well. We do crash. We have an energy fluctuation, so it's a little bit less like the generator, which is a little bit more consistent with their energy.
Speaker 1:On a day-to-day we do have days where we're like okay, and now I just want to sit on the couch all day, like that's.
Speaker 2:We know we're not a million miles an hour all the time like it's, and then we could just like do catch up, right, yeah, and skip some steps and come back and you know all of these beautiful things. So that's, that's a mani gen. I always explain the generators like the tortoise and the hare. You know we're going to get to the finish line at the exact same time, but the the hair is going to take a million details on the way and so um the three, five profile yeah, what does?
Speaker 1:that mean for you? And how did you, when you, when you discovered you were a three five profile, like? You're obviously really living into your design and that's probably probably taken some time, I would assume, um, only you know, speaking from personal experience, stepping into it is is like big. What's the three five mean? Um, and how does that mean? How does that? How do you operate in the world because of that?
Speaker 2:So the 3-5 comes from the profile lines, of which there are six numbers and 12 combinations for those of you playing along at home, and each of them represent an archetype within your personality in which the soul is kind of playing in within this lifetime. So the 3-5, the three is known as the martyr and they're all about trial and error. So they really often do throw themselves into the fire to see if they'll get burnt, and that's the way that we learn, and so, therefore, life can be very interesting in that regard. Um, and the fifth line is the heretic. Um. So you, you know, by both of those words, martyr, heretic. You know the three, five is really just here to want to help everyone that possibly can. Um, but the fifth line, you know, by both of those words, marta heretic. You know the three-five is really just here to want to help everyone that possibly can. But the fifth line, you know the fifth line is all about living in the projection field.
Speaker 2:So you know there can be expectations put on a fifth line that are a little bit higher than say what other people might be having to live up to, which is difficult for fifth lines to learn about, because when somebody sees you as the hero, you can only then become the villain. You can't go up from there. So you know, it's a fun journey, I think for me, understanding my three five was a huge like oh okay, I am meant to experiment with life, I am meant to kind of dip in and out of things and learn from my mistakes and learn from my hardships and I can take those things and help others, which I was doing anyway. But it really just helped me to solidify why I did that. And then the fifth line that was probably learning about.
Speaker 2:The fifth line was the biggest change for me because the third line, which is my conscious line, was already like, yeah, I know that that's what's going on. But the fifth line, which is unconscious to me again, those of you playing along at home, your second number is unconscious. You might not know that one to be as true for you straight away. That just had a huge explanation as to you know a lot of situations playing out in my life that gave me a lot of self-doubt and you know, I would put these huge expectations on myself because that's what I was getting from the world around me. And so, yeah, really living into my design. I think I'd been living into my design, maybe, or aware of my design, for maybe about three or four years, so just before I turned 30, sat in return when I sort of woke up one day and like I don't care what people think about me anymore and that is like the best thing for a bit line to learn ever. And the world just changes and everything becomes technicolor and you just do, you.
Speaker 1:but yeah, was that what happened? Did you literally get that?
Speaker 2:moment. Yeah, I was walking. I remember I was uh, it was covid lockdowns and I was just walking along the beach down, because I lived near the Gold Coast Beach at the time. So we were allowed lucky us.
Speaker 1:Don't worry, we're not going to dump you in.
Speaker 2:No, it was great I was. It was just one of those times where we were actually we were allowed to do that. I was so grateful of it, you know, like there was so many people locked away and we were. We had this beach at our fingertips.
Speaker 2:I remember walking along feeling so grateful about that, and the next minute I just thought, um, I'd not long been married and there was some real sort of stuff that went down with my marriage between the, the multiple, multiple bridesmaids that I had. I had this gaggle of girls, you know, I had like six of them or something ridiculous like that and I thought, you know, I was so evolved and my friends were so above, you know, any kind of like bridesmaid drama. It would never happen in my wedding. And it did. It happened. It happened bad. It really had nothing to do with me at all. It sort of was happening behind me, but it all sort of ended up coming back on me. And I just remember it was not long after we'd gotten married and I was walking along the beach. I'm like, ah, you know what, after we'd gotten married and I was walking along the beach, I'm like you know what, damned if you do, damned if you don't, I'm not going to keep trying anymore, and it was really just like a moment. I was like this is what it is to be.
Speaker 2:A fifth line it's to stop caring about what people are projecting onto you, because you're never going to please everyone and everyone's not for you. So it doesn't mean you stop caring about people. It doesn't mean you stop caring about people. It doesn't mean you stop trying to help people. Those things are still very true and alive. For me, it's just that you drop this expectation of what you can't deliver and what people are going to feel in return. You just do your best and if your best is not good enough, that's okay. You know, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you would sorry I won't spend too much time on your personal human design story I'm just really curious about, like so you'd been, sort of what, studying human design, just kind of getting familiar with your profile, your chart, body graph and all of those things, and and that was kind of like the moment where you decided to completely step in to I feel like I had your design.
Speaker 2:I'd planned to step in immediately. As soon as I picked it up I was like, yeah, I'm stepping in it, um, and I think everyone has that same sort of intention. But you'll feel that things drop in different times. This was one of the significant layers for me with that, with that fifth line was yeah, just that full acceptance piece, and I think for any fifth lines listening, the acceptance piece is big for us, you know, and um, so yeah, so no, I definitely was living my design to my, to my greatest knowledge before that. But it was just one of those layers. But this is the thing about any type of self-development or spiritual development we're never perfect. We're never not ripping those onion layers off. We always have work to be done. We always have parts of ourselves to discover. So, you know, I look forward to the next big epiphany, especially when you start to then dive into the gene keys. Oh, I'm a gene keys guide.
Speaker 2:So I'm familiar with the gene keys, which, oh, I'm a gene keys guide, so so I'm familiar with the gene keys, yeah, and that's again it's oh, so many layers layer upon layer of contemplation, you're never at a place of expertise right within yourself, within anything you've got so much learning to do. So that was just one of my significant onion layers, I must say yeah, and then you'll have your Uranus opposition in a few years' time.
Speaker 1:And I'm in Chiron return at the moment 51. Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how's that?
Speaker 1:going. Wow, the trip is pretty deep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Life is a trip though, right yeah, and this is the thing, we don't have to take it so seriously and and and, having these tools, these little roadmaps, I suppose they really help us to kind of step out of the serious of life and be like ah, it's just, you know how I'm designed, yeah exactly, and you kind of when those things start to drop in, and you Exactly, and you kind of when those things start to drop in and you see that kind of oh, that like you can look back in the you know, on your human design chart and the transits and see things how they've played out, and you go like that's actual proof that it's all predetermined. Yeah, that's exactly it and it all predetermined.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's exactly it, and it's predetermined. We can't sit in this space of control, and control is the the root cause of anxiety. Right, like we all believe that we can control a situation in order to keep ourselves safe. And when we believe that to be true, then we clutch and we clutch and it creates panic, anxiety, anxiety, you know, stress, all these things that then affect the cells within the body, and everything speaks to us and everything goes sideways. When we truly understand that actually, not much is really in our control at all, we can go into a place of surrender, and that's when we get to truly experience life and the magic that life has to offer us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a definitely a journey. Um, okay, so kinesiology when you were at the human design conference, you did a presentation about how you have combined human design and kinesiology into. Is it a treatment? A would you call it a treatment?
Speaker 2:like, yeah, you could call it a. You could call it a treatment. Would you call it a treatment?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could call it a treatment, a modality, a practice, a balance whatever you want to coin it as.
Speaker 1:So it was pretty amazing to watch you doing it, like were you channeling? Like what was going on? Because you had some stuff going on with your hands and you were like lifting the person. There was a someone who, um, volunteered, and so you were kind of lifting her hand on the bed and lift, and it was going up and down and there was all this stuff going on. It was pretty amazing and we were like what is she doing?
Speaker 2:look, I would love to say that everything that I pulled up there all came from my beautiful intuition, but it wasn't it actually was a hundred percent coming from her body.
Speaker 2:And there's not a person in the world who couldn't learn to do exactly everything that I just because all we are doing is using the musculoskeletal system as a biofeedback tool to ask the body directly what's going on. And the body stores absolutely everything about us, every emotion we've ever experienced, every molecular, structural you know, sideways confusion that's going on internally, any energetic imbalances, any past life stuff, current life stuff, anything it's in our cells. And so when we can use a part, a muscle or a body part, to be able to identify whether there's stress or you know, it's all about just asking the right questions. The body's going to give us the answers. So in kinesiology we often have like lots of books and lots of information at our fingertips which we can then muscle test off and the body will tell us what is correct and what's not correct based on the muscle's response. So what we're actually feeling is a muscle will either go hypertonic or hypotonic, based on the feedback that we're looking at. So it'll show us stress second stage or third stage stress, based on how the muscle reacts. So anyone can learn to muscle test, anyone in the world. And if you can learn to muscle test, then you can learn how to read what the body already knows.
Speaker 2:There are things that the people's bodies tell me every single day by scanning through information, getting to a piece of information that I have no idea about. I've got no idea what that means and I have to go quickly, do a bit of a Google and go what is this? And it's perfectly fits in with everything else that we were doing, which blows my mind and blows the client's mind, because how could I have made that up if I didn't even know what it was? The body knows more than our brains know. We only use 2% of our brains, but muscle testing helps us to actually access all of this other subconscious, super conscious information. So that's what I was doing. I was really just asking her body.
Speaker 1:Wow, and so you were drawing on. So let's have a her body. Wow, and so you were drawing on, so let's have a. Um, let's get into how you've brought human design and kinesiology together, sure, so okay, someone comes to you. Let's just give you a scenario with their human design body graph, and is it? And are they like I know this is me, but I don't feel like I can be me is there that kind of thing going on?
Speaker 2:And sometimes that could be the way that it plays out. Sometimes you know they'll just come in for a session and I'll just ask them is there anything going on in their life that they're wanting to work on, just in general? And then I can just ask the body where it's blocked within the body graph, and it always comes back to being very similar to what they're working with or what they're struggling with. So it might say you know, I have a situation where you know, let's use the situation that we used at the human design conference. We were intentional with the, with the, with the demonstration. We intentionally wanted to balance gate one and gate two. But have get this. I had no idea that gate one and two was transiting a few days later.
Speaker 2:None, that was not planned at all. Like that just happened and it happens all the time. So, of course, the person that came up and got a balance, those gates were relevant to balance because it was what's in the transits. But anyway, we were working with these particular gates and it was all about creativity and being able to unblock that creativity and, specifically with this person, with the demonstration, it was all about receiving Like we have to be open to receive in order to be able to create and calling in the right kind of community to do that. And so the body will really just be the guide as to how that session plays out.
Speaker 2:No one session is going to be the same, but we are able to look at the body graph and go okay, there is a balanced resonance for these energies, there is an under energy and there is an over energy. So where are you sitting within those energies? Are you in a balanced state here, or are you underactive or overactive? And then what does your body need to be able to unpack whatever's causing you to go into those under or over? Is there a belief system? Is there a neurological pathway? You know what is stored there? And then what does your body need in order to bring itself back into like a higher frequency with it.
Speaker 2:And really, you know, kinesiology is based on the understanding that the body can do the healing itself. The body can heal itself. It's just that we get confused, all the little fibers in our bodies and our brains, like a little electrical circuit, they kind of lose connections and so therefore it starts to run in these old biofeedback loops, which are not necessarily, you know, what's best for it. So by kind of rejigging the communication and getting that feedback loop to run in a way we would like it to be, or a way that's a little bit more beneficial, the body gets to work at healing itself without having to have all this intervention. So it's a very empowering process.
Speaker 1:How much. Now I know that Bruce Lipton talks about kinesiology in his book the Biology of Belief and he talks about how our environments and our thoughts and our beliefs affect our system and switch on and off genes, epigenetics. So how much our words impact our energy as well as the processes that you've been talking about with kinesiology. So how does that play in? Do you counsel, do you talk someone through it? Do you give them words to use afterwards?
Speaker 2:Look, definitely there is a bit of that, but that's working on the conscious mind.
Speaker 2:And so we have to work on the conscious mind, because if we don't consciously have awareness to something, then we'll keep recreating it. So that is an important piece. But then, part past the, the talk therapy, we go into the cells and we start to recode those neurological pathways, recode the dna, and this is where the gene keys also comes in to the work that I've, you know, put together with human design. Kinesiology is that each of our gene keys slash human design gates.
Speaker 2:They are corresponded with amino acids and odin rings and that is what makes up our DNA.
Speaker 2:So when we are working with balancing those within the body, then we're actually reprogramming our DNA at a molecular level.
Speaker 2:So we're kind of unwinding and transcribing with those DNA molecules.
Speaker 2:And to go back to your words as well, one of the things that we can do is when somebody is in a kinesiology balance, it's almost like all of your little neural receptors are open and very easily influenced and very easily reprogrammable, and so what we can do is then ask the body what belief system it wants to break down and what belief system it would like to implement.
Speaker 2:So we've got lists, I've got these books, these beautiful books that have like 5,500 different affirmations in them, and I just literally go through and muscle test which page do you want, which chapter, which number, and it will pull up the perfect set of words that your body would like to reprogram into its neural pathway to help it to unpack the old belief system there. So we'll do that and we'll just get the person to say that affirmation whilst in a kinesiology balance and then, as we're balancing, the rest of the energy that kind of just sticks there. They don't have to go home and repeat that and repeat that, and repeat that. Okay and, but they don't have to. It's really just about de-stressing it in the balance wow, that's pretty amazing, isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's very similar to like when we tap on something I suppose you know with okay, yeah, how you use those words and you tap on it, you're kind of decoding or deconditioning those words as you tap on it. It's a very similar concept. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:When you had the volunteer on the table at the conference, that was on the Saturday, wasn't it? Yes, yeah, Did you speak to her on the Sunday? How did she do you know how she felt?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we didn't have that uh discussion, but she was actually in my group for one of the group activities, okay, um, she seemed very sprightly, but I it was a bit of a chaotic, um, a chaotic time.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of people coming up and chatting. I loved, you know, being an mg, I was just like talk to me more, more, more. But I didn't actually get a chance to corner her and be like how did you feel after that balance, which is unfortunate because I'd like to know. But the the interesting thing was I had a few people approach me after it, saying that they felt energetic shifts just from watching it, from being in the room, um, which is not uncommon because we're we were balancing two energies that were transiting and so, as we know, our bodies all speak to each other. When it comes to the human design system, when we're feeling the frequency within these gates shifting in one person in the room, it can literally shift in other people. So, yeah, it was quite cool to hear that feedback as well, one of the first times that I'd done it in a group environment so large like that. So that was very cool.
Speaker 1:Very cool. Yes, what about the people that you work with? I know that you teach other people how to do kinesiology with human design, human design kinesiology but when you are treating clients, patients, clients um, how often do they need to come to you to get a breakthrough or to feel better, like is that? Is there kind of like I'll see you six times and you definitely not there is no timeline.
Speaker 2:It absolutely is indicative of the person. So I have had many, many, many, many many cases over the years where people have come in for one session, one session only, and that's all they've needed and they've had. Amazing, I had a lady actually a couple of months ago who I sell these beautiful crystal grids at markets, and she met me at the market. She's like oh, you're a kinesiologist, I love kinesiology. I've had this crippling back pain for years and years and years. I see osteopaths, I see you know all these physios and I just can't shake it. I think it might be connected to something emotional.
Speaker 2:She came in for one session. She was, you know, happy with the rest of it Off. She went for a while and then I was back at the same markets and she popped her head and she's like oh, by the way, it's been like six or seven weeks by that stage. By the way, I haven't had any back pain since I seen you. I just wanted to let you know. Even my osteopath won't touch me because she said you did such a great job.
Speaker 2:So that can't be a claim to me saying hi, I'm this amazing kinesiologist, I can fix your back pain in one session. What it is a claim to is her body had already worked through quite a bit of stuff, I would assume, and it was really that it hadn't tapped into the emotional, energetic stuff that was held within this pain. And once we got rid of that it was smooth sailing and she was out of that one session. But then for somebody else that might take 10 sessions, you know, and personally I've been, you know, getting kinesiology for you know, ever since I was in my twenties. So like what? 15, 16, 17 years?
Speaker 2:Um, and I'll never not get it Like it's like going and getting a massage you know, when life happens and things kind of get, get tense or whatever, you go and get a massage. So it's the same with kinesiology. When you're feeling stuck, when you're feeling energetically bogged down, when you're trying to get through something, you know you go and have another session. But yeah, I'd say, for like any, there is a kind of a general rule of thumb with kinesiology for anything really big that you're working on, aim to at least go for three times to get under that one. Three is just a magic number in energy medicine. You know it's God's number, so we want to try and give it at least three. But yeah, there's no, there's no hard and fast rule yeah okay with the um.
Speaker 1:if someone comes to you for human design, kinesiology, um, I kind of um mentioned it before, that idea of deconditioning, can you talk a little bit to conditioning and then how can the kinesiology can help with deconditioning? Can you talk a little bit to conditioning and then how the kinesiology can help with deconditioning?
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course, this is actually probably the thing that really sparked the initial interest for me in combining the two. For the newbies to human design, the person who created it, ra. He speaks to the deconditioning process taking seven years and I'm like I'm an MG, mg's like to move fast. I'm like, come on, really come on, that's a long time. We could do this quicker. We could do it quicker. Oh, use kinesiology. So, yeah, so conditioning.
Speaker 2:Conditioning is where you come into the world and you're so pure, you're so untouched, you're designed exactly the way that you are supposed to be. And you're so pure, you're so untouched, you're designed exactly the way that you are supposed to be. And then the world happens to you, right. So societal expectations, maybe your parental expectations, you know, whatever could sort of see you as being this, I don't know. Let's use me for an example this bouncy ball MG that likes to do a million things at once, and then society's like no, get in your box. Like you, sit in your box, be organized, and you know that conditions you away from feeling really confident about how you're naturally supposed to operate within this world. And this is really true for the non-energy beings. So the projectors, the reflectors, the manigens, oh, sorry, the manifestors, because they are. You know, they're different to the 73 percent of the world that created the world, so there's often a lot of conditioning in the non-energy types as well, to try and just be someone that fits in the box instead of the person that you're meant to be.
Speaker 2:Conditioning can also look like trauma, traumatic experiences. A lot of people have gone through trauma that will condition you to to be a certain way okay. So deconditioning is going in and unpacking those things and trying to restore you back to your a certain way, okay, um, so deconditioning is going in and unpacking those things and trying to restore you back to your you know, original blueprint, who you were meant to be, not, not in a sense that you you unlearn everything that you've learned, but, uh, that you retain your learning but also operate in a way that's really resonant for you you process that, all of that stuff and, yeah, and you, you learn to identify what is yours, based on your blueprint, and what's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:So you're basically learning to be who you truly are, yeah, who you can be, yeah, and you feel in that energy. You know it's not like it's, it's not like anything. Is this magic, like, you know, euphoric thing where we never feel anything? That's this. But what? What it feels like is just nervous system regulation. Okay, you know. So, when the world happens to you, you just go through the motions of being able to deal and cope and let the emotions come up and release and all of the things that you need to do whilst your nervous system continues to regulate. Through that, instead of it just all going to like Friesville and getting burnt out and just feeling really low for long periods of time or lost. All of that sort of stuff goes into more of a okay, put one foot in front of the other, get the things done, feel the feels and move forward. And I can see that bright light ahead of me because I know that my nervous system is doing what it's meant to be doing.
Speaker 1:I think that was. Yeah, you mentioned burnout and I think that that's probably a really big far out. My words just aren't coming to me today.
Speaker 2:I was thinking the opposite. I was like, wow, my words are coming to me really well. I wonder if you've got some channels in your chat that are like connecting my throat. I hope so my throat and my head centers are disconnected. They're both defined, but there's a split there. So usually I'm doing this like where are my words, but today they're like here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're coming in thick and fast. Yeah, I still can't think of the word. Anyway, it's like alarm bells. Yeah, burnout, you're not living in alignment with your design. I reckon it would probably show up for most people if they even if they didn't know about human design yeah, if they had that experience and they look at their chart, they'd be able to, we'd be able to see within that what was going on.
Speaker 2:Huge and it's huge for everyone. Like when we think about burnout, we immediately go to the non-energy beings as being the main culprits. But it's not the case. It happens for every single one of us and the generators and the MGs. They are just as susceptible to it, because if we're not in alignment, doing something that we love, feeling passionate about what we're doing, we are feeling like a potato. You know, we just like we've got nothing, nothing to give.
Speaker 2:And so you know, a burnout looks different for each of the types and for every person, but essentially, yeah, it's the living in the, not self, that will create that burnout yeah, amazing, a really uh important sign, and and so the the kinesiology will help to realign that yeah, so in so many ways, because kinesiology we can look at the belief systems, we can look at the conditioning, we can look at the emotional and the neurological side of it on on one hand, but kinesiology it's such a huge modality, in a sense, that it can go even deeper. It can go into, um, you know, neurotransmitters. We can balance out things like serotonin and and tryptophan, and we can go into the cells. We can look at the mitochondria. We can start to balance our atp, which creates more energy. You know there's so much molecular things we can do with this wonderful modality as well, which is why I thought why would they not live so closely together, these two beautiful modalities, and working within, reversing that burnout and going with life in such a flowy way?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it makes complete sense. What are some of the results that you've seen? Like, do you have any like success stories that really stand out?
Speaker 2:yeah, okay heaps, heaps, uh, success stories that really stand out for me. Gosh, I gotta think I think for me, a lot of the big ones I don't I hate to discriminate against the um, the, the generators and the mgs here, but the biggest ones have been non-energy beings, like I've really seen the biggest shifts within them, probably because of the level of conditioning they were having to live in within their design. So people coming in um, probably the biggest ones have been manifestors. Honestly, um, manifestors that have been coming in in their under energy state where they've, you know, really dulled their lives down. You know that they're not shining their light, they're afraid to be seen um, because you know, years and years of being too much or being made to to sit down and be quiet and follow instructions.
Speaker 2:Um, I've just seen so many manifestor women specifically, really come into that beautiful balanced expression of a manifestor where they actually are able to inform, they're able to go out there and create, but they're also able to, you know, find that balance of when they want to be social, when they don't want to be social and, you know, not push people away as well in order to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:So lots of that, lots of projectors being able to have better energy from a day to day, because not only are we working with, you know, people having the right kind of organisation with their day and not burning themselves out anymore, but also a lot of projectors have already got themselves to that state where they are burnt out and so, working with kinesiology again, we're not just dismantling the belief systems that makes them want to push so hard, because the projector wants approval it really does and that can make them push really hard.
Speaker 2:So if we can go into dismantling that need to prove, then they can kind of find balance, but also working them on a nutritional and molecular level to kind of I don't know heal some of the damage that it's already been done. So they can, you know, move, move forward with more awareness, um, but also mop up, I guess, the damage that's been done. So, yeah, lots of, lots of standout people that I can think of off the top of my head, who I can see are operating more so within their um, within their selves, yeah, um, much better after both finding human design and then being able to unpack it within the, within the chart, within the system yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1:I'm just reading my questions. I don't want to repeat myself because we've kind of there. I haven't stuck to them religiously because I'm a manifesting generator.
Speaker 2:Right, where are we gonna go next?
Speaker 1:have you got any simple practices that people can do at home that can help them to start reconnecting with um and realigning with their energy and their intuition?
Speaker 2:yeah, definitely. Um, look, I would say, if you're an undefined and look, everyone should do meditation and really contemplate on things. But if you're undefined, sacral, this is really important, really really important. And if you're defined, sacral, it's movement. Like movement is so important for us.
Speaker 2:Moving meditation is so important for us to kind of come to that place of reflection. You know, when you're walking, as you're a generator type, you're walking along and you're just having that dialogue coming to you Totally, and then, once you have an understanding of what's kind of standing in your way, you can, at home, do things like yoga, tapping anything that's physical whilst you know reciting the opposite of what it is that you're wanting to. You know that you're holding on to, okay, yeah, using those positive affirmations to bypass the neurological pathway, and even doing a bit of eft, which you can just do like off youtube, like that's amazing for shifting things through the meridians. Um, using other vibrational medicine practices like flower essences, essential oils. You know, everything in the body has an energetic frequency, um, and so when we disrupt these lower vibrational energies and bring a higher vibrational frequency in, then we're actually moving everything up, and this is, you know, this is some of the stuff that bruce lipton talks about.
Speaker 2:Um, also, uh gosh, power versus force by? Um, what's his name? I always forget his name. I can't believe it's just gone. Um, I'm gonna write that down. Power versus force by another book. There's gonna be a million people at home listening to this, going yelling his name at the screen.
Speaker 1:That's okay that's what google's for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you need the title yeah, yeah, he's a really well known, um, a really well known guy, and I can't believe it. I have no idea where it would come to me as soon as I get to the book, but the book is power versus force, um, and uh, yeah, it talks about the levels of consciousness and and how we're resonating below, say, a 200, then we're in force. Um, so we want to lift our vibration to above 200, uh, which means that we're in kind of like flow and um, we can do that using vibrational medicine, which is sound, and oils and you know all these beautiful frequencies that we can, we can get from the things around us. So cool.
Speaker 1:That's really great. They're very good tips for the. So that was for was for the energy types something that moves your body and for the non-energy.
Speaker 2:Something that allows you to really sit and still listen to your body. So meditation is good, yoga is also good, even though it's movement, but you know I would go that's the slower, so you're not doing too much and bypassing your ability to tap into your brain. And it's not to say that you know non-energy types shouldn't move. They absolutely should, and then they can, it's more so. You know, if you're in a state of burnout, moving is probably not the best thing to be doing if you're a non-energy type, whereas for us, the energy types, is actually the best thing we can do when we're feeling burnt out yeah, yeah, that energy back in yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1:All right, you've talked um about about doing lots of things and, um, well, that's the manifesting generator. Right, we're entitled to, and we're designed to do lots of different things. Yeah, um, you're currently studying midwifery. Yeah, wow, so that's going to be another tool in your toolkit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, I don't know it's very sacral-led. You know I'm a sacral authority. I don't know exactly how it's going to play out and how it's going to fit in. I just know I want to deliver those babies. I've had a lot of my own experiences, so I want to be a part of that and I also think I'll probably end up in private practice. You know a lot of home births and things like that, and I think how wonderful would it be to be able to present these mamas with their child's human design chart and be like hey, this is your child and these are the things that your child might really love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I actually when I was at the human design conference last year, did you go? No, I had not. Yeah, fair enough. There was someone talking about how, for us, there's deconditioning, but when we're bringing the younger people in, if we can really embrace their chart and understand who they are and nurture that, then they won't have to have that deconditioning process. They'll just be able to live their design, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It's huge and it helps you as a parent to really understand why your child is doing the things that they are doing. You know, like my two older ones, I've got a 15 year old and watching their design so like. They're so different, their designs are so different and they are they. They just like one really thrives in. The schooling system has been very cookie cutter and the design is that. And then you look at the other one and it's struggled from the day, the first day of school and it's, you know, still really struggles with it. But then again, looking at his design, he's not meant to be there, that's not his jam and and having that as a parent helps you to really understand that there's nothing that you're doing wrong or they're doing wrong. It's just how they're designed and we need environments to nurture these specific things and fortunately there's limited options. But at least we can understand, uh, what to do with them at home and how to help them understand themselves to navigate these things yeah, definitely, that was kind of an aside.
Speaker 1:Yeah to um, so you've got lots of things going on, yeah, and I just wonder, like, in the big scheme of things, have you kind of, do you feel like you're fulfilling a purpose? Do you have a purpose? Have you found your purpose? Do you think? It's evolving Like where are you at with purpose?
Speaker 2:It's 100% evolving. I think that it will evolve to the day that I die, and I think that it's it's naive of us to think that it it doesn't have a space to evolve our purposes, but I do feel that I'm I'm living my purpose at the moment. Um, you know my, my incarnation crosses the cross of consciousness. It's all about, um, you know, patterns and identifying patterns and decoding information and being able to teach these really like huge concepts and almost spiritual concepts to the, to the world and bring them to the world, and I feel that I'm doing that at the moment. I'm writing a book on all of this at the moment and you know a massive part of of all of this. So that feels very in in alignment with my purpose. But I also feel like, um, you know, I don't take my purpose quite as seriously with the planning it out as I used to.
Speaker 2:I'm a 3-5 mg, so I used to have this like grand idea that I had to figure it all out to the t, and now I'm just like, well, what's alive in me right now, what needs to be T? And now I'm just like, well, what's alive in me right now, what needs to be shared right now this feels good. They all. I have a defined identity as well, so like they all connect, like it's not like they're, you know, going off track massively. But yeah, right now what's alive in me feels like it's really on track and really on purpose. But who knows where it will go in like another couple of years, I don't know. It will go in like another couple of years, I don't know I'm an mg, I'll probably go over there.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, yeah, one final question, just based on that how does your um partner relate to, to that kind of uh changing? Well, like you say, they're all connected, like the things that you're doing, they, they, they, they're all embodying the same sort of ideas and and, um, yeah, they're going in the same direction, as you said. But, um, how did? When you go, I don't know what I'm going to be doing in a couple of years time does that? Is that okay for him?
Speaker 2:it's so funny actually, because when you look at our charts together, we're a, a nine-centred being together. Yeah right when you have a nine-and-oh connection style. It's super comfy, like. I guess the worst thing that you have to worry about if you have a nine-and-oh connection style for the people playing along at home is getting bored because it's so comfortable Like you just can coexist perfectly. He's also a 3-5 mani-gen, so I'm a 3-5 mani-gen, so I'm a 3-5 mani-gen.
Speaker 2:Oh, there you go, married, a 3-5 mani-gen. However, he's emotional, I'm unemotional, I have a defined route. He has an undefined route so he does like a lot more stability than what I do. But he's totally fine with my sort of I don't know my manic craziness. He just wouldn't be able to do it himself. Like it kind of. I think it inspires him a little bit. It gives him confidence to kind of step out of his comfort zone, because he loves, you know, having an undefined route and a defined emotional center. Comfort zones are really important to him. So watching me just kind of break through any comfort zone that's put in front of me gives him a little bit of like. Oh, I like that, like that's exciting for me, but I can still sit over here in my comfort zone when I need to retreat. So, yeah, it works fine.
Speaker 1:it's different to him but it's also similar enough to his energy that that he can kind of dip in and out of it yeah, my husband's a generator, um, but he, I'm a triple split manifesting generator, so he he completes all my yeah, completes iu, triple yes, and he completes all of the things so yeah, like exactly the same we've.
Speaker 1:We've got seven out of the nine defined, I think, yeah, but he's got a defined g center and I don't. So it's been really helpful for him to understand that I want to be lots of different things. And he's just like what do you mean? Don't you want to do this for the rest of your life? And I'm like no, actually I don't, I don't know what I want to do. Yeah, so it's, but it's. It is definitely a very comfortable energy to be in, when, when you like, complete each other's channels and centers and whatnot.
Speaker 1:But yeah definitely really helpful for him to understand that about me.
Speaker 2:I think it's brilliant for relationships really like it. Just, I feel like it changed my marriage for the better when I found it. Just understanding each other's needs are so indicative of each other's needs. But this is where it's important for the people at home to, you know, dive deeper than just your type and your profile line, because again, you could look at my husband and I and we're both three, five managers. We should be the same person, right? No, not at all any more different. Because he's a single definition I'm a trip. He's emotional. I'm not emotional like there's so many other aspects there. But when we do understand our partner's needs, there are just small things that we can do that can completely flip our entire relationship for better.
Speaker 1:You know, when we help each other, yeah, totally yes, it's very helpful, and for kids as well, as you mentioned. Okay, so, as we close because we've come to the end of our hour, pretty much your work at the moment, your offerings in the world. You're obviously doing the midwifery for yourself right now, um, but you've got other things going on. Where do you, um, where should we guide people? To your website, to?
Speaker 2:your instagram. Yeah, look, my, my instagram is probably the most up-to-date on a on a sort of week-by-week basis, because there's always like random things that I'm doing and I'm like, hey, this is, I will not go on my website and update for a random thing. I don't have the time to stop and do that. I'm way too unorganized. Yeah, instagram's the best place to find me there, but also my website, you know, for my everyday offerings and things like that. Um, I have got a another round of human design, kinesiology, um, or sort of about to about to about?
Speaker 2:yeah, so if people are wanting to look into that, yeah, great up on the website. Um, but yeah, other than that, yeah, socials is the best place to find whatever this ping pong ball of an mg is doing.
Speaker 1:I love it I love you living the dream. Um, okay, final thing we've got a guest directory, so we're going to put all of your information in there so that when people do listen to the episode, they can find all of your details website, your Instagram and so on and so forth in one place. Emily, thank you so much for joining me. It's been great fun, thank you I really loved hearing about it.
Speaker 2:I feel like how did that go over an hour already? Like it just feels like we were talking for 10 minutes. I know it's the power of two MGs on a call. I hope you all kept up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hope you all kept up exactly. Yeah, it was great. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. You've, yeah, really fascinated with the work you do and, yeah, really grateful for hearing more about it. Thanks, emily. Before you go, can I ask you a small favor? If you've enjoyed this show or any of the other episodes that you've listened to, then I'd really appreciate it if you took a couple of moments to hit subscribe. This is a great way to increase our listeners and get the word out there about all of the wonderful guests that we've had on the podcast. If you'd like to further support the show, you can buy me a coffee by going to buymeacoffeecom. Forward slash, life, health, the universe. You can find that link in the show notes. Thanks for listening.