Life, Health & The Universe - A Podcast For The Midlife Rebel
Welcome to **Life, Health & The Universe**, the podcast dedicated to empowering women in their 40s and 50s to embrace a vibrant and meaningful life. Join us as we explore the intersection of health, wellness, and personal growth, offering insights and inspiration to help you navigate this transformative stage of life.
Each week, we dive into topics that matter most to you— from holistic health and nutrition to mindfulness and self-discovery. With expert interviews, relatable stories, and practical tips, we aim to inspire you to live your best life, cultivate deeper connections, and find purpose in every moment.
Whether you’re seeking to enhance your well-being, explore new passions, or simply find a supportive community, **Life, Health & The Universe** is here to guide you on your journey. Tune in and discover how to thrive in this exciting chapter of life!
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Life, Health & The Universe - A Podcast For The Midlife Rebel
The Golden Shadow: Self-Healing After Trauma with Jennie Bloomfield
What if your deepest wounds held the key to your greatest gifts? In this raw and illuminating episode of Life, Health & The Universe, Jennie Bloomfield describes herself as a self-healer — someone who draws on her lived experience, cycles, and somatic practices to help other women reconnect with their bodies. She shares her seven-year journey through trauma, chronic illness, and ultimate transformation.
Jennie opens up about decades of living with undiagnosed endometriosis before a life-threatening ruptured appendix forced her to confront both physical pain and long-buried emotional trauma. Refusing conventional solutions like hysterectomy or long-term medication, she chose a different path — blending bodywork, Human Design, astrology, and somatic awareness.
This powerful conversation explores:
- 🌙 How patriarchal systems have disconnected women from their body’s wisdom and cyclical nature
- 🌿 Why trauma is not lifelong — and how the body is designed to heal
- ✨ Practices like reflexology, aromatherapy, and astrology that support self-healing and reconnection
- 🔄 Transforming cycles, shadows, and suffering into insight, resilience, and wholeness
Jennie’s story offers hope to anyone navigating trauma, chronic illness, or feeling disconnected from their body. Her message is clear: healing doesn’t require searching for pain or reliving trauma — it can unfold naturally, gently, and even joyfully when we learn to trust our bodies and embrace all of ourselves.
🎧 Ready to reconnect with your body’s wisdom and discover the gifts hidden in your challenges? Listen now and begin your own journey of transformation.
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Welcome to Life, health and the Universe, bringing you stories that connect us, preventative and holistic health practices to empower us and esoteric wisdom to enlighten us. We invite you to visit our website, where you can access the podcast, watch on YouTube and find all of our guests in the guest directory. Visit lifehealththeuniversepodcastpageio. Now let's get stuck into this week's episode. Today, I'm joined by Jenny Bloomfield. Jenny is a mother, wife, body worker, reflexologist, somatic, yogi and an astrology and human design mentor. Ah, she's also a manifesting generator. Through heart-centered ancient healing arts and modern science-based practices, jenny has healed trauma, recovered from burnout and made peace with chronic health challenges, including endometriosis, anxiety, depression, ptsd, migraines, ibs, insomnia and chronic fatigue. So quite a healing journey, jenny. Welcome. It's great to have you here. It's going to be a fun one.
Speaker 1:Yeah thank you.
Speaker 2:It's lovely to be here. Thank you for asking me. Oh, that's all right.
Speaker 1:I thought it was important to mention that you're a manifesting generator because, being one myself, we're allowed to do lots of different things. Right, and you do, and they all tie in together, especially for we have, we feel, that connection of the things that we do. But sometimes it can feel like a lot for someone who isn't a manifesting generator to think how can they do so many things?
Speaker 2:yeah, but it doesn't like feel like a lot to me because it's like they're all connected.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't always see how they were connected, but they are all connected, so it's like yeah so we um just backstory for us for the listeners you and I are both in the human design membership. Uh, love your design. Kim Gould has been a guest on the podcast, um, so and we've uh listened to some other members from from the that membership um, and so I invited you on because I'm really keen to learn more about what you do in the healing space, your own journey um, and how you use human design and um your other modalities to support other women that are going through a journey of healing and empowerment. So, um, yeah, that's kind of what I want to know about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so do you want to kind of give us a little bit of a storyline for how you have come to be in this place. Go into as little or as much detail as okay.
Speaker 2:I guess I just picked a really shitty time to be born and it all went from there so you're kind of totally down with the soul journey yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like most of what I do has come from my lived experience. So, and I've only just kind of like realized how actually what I've lived through is who I am and how I've. So like I have obviously studied and done courses and done trainings, but I mean it's the line two, so that's like the net. A lot of it has just come from inside, and then doing other things has consolidated and made sense of it. But most of what I do has come from the life that I've kind of I guess I chose it before I came here. I take responsibility for it, but you know, I've had a lot of stuff to overcome and so it's been working through and I don't. Now I'm at a point where I'm at a place where I feel like obviously healing's for life. I don't feel like it's done, but I've done enough to feel joy and purpose again, which for a long time I didn't.
Speaker 1:So yeah, right, can you? Um, you mentioned line two. I'm keen to hear what you, um, what your experience of that is. So for, um, people who don't, uh, know very much about human design, go and have a little dig around, listen to a couple of the other podcasts um that we've got out, but line two is part of our profile, so Jenny's got a line two, you've got a line two, I've got a line two as well. When you referenced that, what did you mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when I first found out, when I first came to human design, I found out it was a line two and it's kind of spoken of as being the natural. I don't know if you've got any words to add to that, Nadine, I always go. The natural just always does it for me.
Speaker 1:No, I haven't. I haven't got any words for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the natural just does it for me. So I just stick with that one, that that I just feel that and it says it all. And then when I look back over my childhood and my whole life, I've always been able to go into this little place inside myself and create or just get like little downloads and just do things and just kind of follow something. It's something from inside that just things just come easily. Not everything comes easy, but things come easy and those things, if I engage with them it's like a flow and I just naturally enjoy those things. And I get the. Because they say about line two, not being able to see your own gifts, I think because it's easy and society teaches us that life is like things are only success. Successes if they've been hard to achieve. We don't value, and I think also people when you do something easily. Other people don't necessarily like that if they can't do that thing easily and so you kind of try and hide it as well. I think as a child growing up you can.
Speaker 2:There can be a bit of that but, yeah, now I can kind of see, actually it's not supposed to be hard, like it's supposed to be easy, and if you just allow yourself to just do the stuff, that comes easy. It's, it's easy, it just happens yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I um reflecting online too. For me, I, the Hermit, is a real, it's real prominent for me at the moment and I so that's kind of what I think depending on what part of your life you're in or what you're experiencing what way. Yeah, what part of your life you're in, you have different expressions of it, right, and for me at the moment, the hermit is definitely one, and especially going inward, being on my own or in my own world, which I suppose that's the line too as well, which you were talking to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I spent seven years hermiting.
Speaker 1:I've kind of just come out of the seven-year hermit period, literally.
Speaker 2:Total hermit for seven years and that's when I consolidated and I actually healed the stuff that had just been repressed and that's what I'm coming out of that period of time.
Speaker 1:Yeah wow, that's a long, long process and I think that's yeah, yeah, really important thing for for us to understand is that, like, we can't necessarily just get fixed and it's not fixing, is it? It's a no, it's a, an embodying every part of yourself, which is a process, um, and accepting and um releasing, I guess, experiences, um, I guess experiences. Before we hit record, I'm really interested to hear about your experience. We were talking about midlife specifically.
Speaker 1:And you know midlife is actually quite a big process. It's not like one thing that happens. I think it actually starts with the Uranus opposition around 38 like that's where the things start to flip and we start to question different things about our lives and our purpose and and then we get to like our 50s and we go through, we start to, you know, women start to go through menopause and and then there's, you know, even later than that, when we're in our 60s, where we start thinking about, you know, potentially taking care of our elders. So it's like this big yeah, big picture thing that's going on in our midlives. Anyway, I digress hormones. So we were talking about that offline and you've got some really interest like a really interesting story and experience around yeah your journey with hormones, can you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, sure. So I've done everything before I was old enough, including the metaphors, but, so, but and that kind of like has been my. So I'm 41 now and this, the seven year period that I'm talking about, the kind of like a lot of that was. So, um, oh, I don't really know what, which way to walk into it without making it all too long, but I've had endometriosis undiagnosed my whole life okay and then, um around 2018, we sort of moved house.
Speaker 2:I changed job, I'd gone. I'd been working in schools for 10 years that had come to an end and I was doing a little cleaning and it was kind of like I was going into the hermit. And I think also we have our second nodal return at 36, don't we?
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I think that for me, might have been one of the things and I can see it in my charts in so many different ways Like the gods make it easy for us, really, don't they? Because there's so many different places in the chart, like, if you miss one, you're going to see it there, and there's so many things woven together, so I can see it it in lots of different places. But, um, so I had a lot of the kind of health issues that you mentioned lifelong. And then, um, I, my appendix ruptured and that would have been in that was 2019. And then after that, um, and when that happened, I did go to the doctors, I did, you know, do all the right things and I just kept getting sent away because it was only a cyst. It wasn't a cyst, it was a ruptured appendix. I was still going to work, I was still cleaning houses with a ruptured appendix like, and waking up in the night in so much pain. But, I think, because I'd had endometriosis and I'd had IBS and I'd had pain in my life and it had always been dismissed, it had always been ignored. I had so many different ways to cope with that by dissociating from my body, by leaving my body to not be with the pain, and I've done that on so many levels emotionally, physically, meant, all the different levels. So when, um, when that happened, I kind of accepted that there was nothing wrong. Even though it didn't feel like there was nothing wrong, I just accepted it.
Speaker 2:And then in the end I ended up going in an ambulance to A&E and my appendix had ruptured. And even then they put me on a gynae ward overnight. They were giving me morphine which was causing me to hallucinate, so I said I can't take that. I stopped that. So then over the night I was supposed to have emergency surgery and they never came to get me. So, like, I was literally on this ward overnight and screw shit, like pain beyond words. And then it wasn't till the next morning when my husband came back and then like got it sorted and they actually then took me down. And then when they, when I wake up, I'd had I, they'd literally from well, my belly button right down, they'd had to do it. So they'd literally from well, my belly button right down, they'd had to do it. So they'd had to take all of my organs out and wash them because it formed an abscess which had ruptured. Well, they said that my body had like formed a wall around a ruptured abscess, this kind of thing, and yeah, the whole thing was horrendous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was awful and the whole like the hospitality of the hospital was just like diabolical it was. It was awful. I did complain and they said it was standard NHS care.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's a bit worrying but, yeah, I just dropped that in the end. But, um, so from that, obviously what had been going on inside my body had caused damage. Alongside the endometriosis, which was an undiagnosed at that point, as part of the procedure they also removed the coil that I had. So the coil meant that one was a hormone coil, so I didn't actually have periods. I still had pain but I didn't have periods. So, um, they did that because it was, they thought it was an ovarian cyst, and so I'd said to do that because obviously when I was sat at home I was googling and there was a links between the coil and cyst, so I thought I'll get them to take that out. So then I went, like my recovery just went like full whammy into menstruating again, having not done for years because I'd had this hormonal coil, which wasn't a fix but I didn't know better, I didn't know how pain-free I could be, so it was the best option I'd ever had. And then all of the adhesions from the operations, the endometriosis, it just like the recovery was. And obviously at the point that I went to have the surgery I was, I was ill, I had pelvic sepsis, so it was a huge recovery thing and that was kind of that totally flipped my life upside down because all the things up until that point that I had done to manage the repressed trauma, I had like exercise, mainly exercise. Actually I couldn't walk because I'm like what the fuck was I gonna do? I had to just be with everything and it was like everything just all well, it wasn't piling in, it was a piling out. Everything just started spilling out and like flashbacks and nightmares and everything. But actually no, they came a bit later. So first it was the pain and it was being with all of that, and then it was like going back to the doctors and them telling me what they told me when I had a ruptured appendix that there was nothing wrong, it's just what did they call it Like neural pain, I think they were putting it down to. And then when they actually did send me to the specialist which I had to like really fight for to get seen by the specialist for endometriosis, and then they done the MRIs and then they saw actually I had quite advanced endometriosis alongside, and so then their answer to that was a hysterectomy to remove everything and that would have also been affected, like my bowels, because of where the things were, and I'd have to have surgery in the beginning just to decide what they were going to do, and it was going to be several surgeons because of the extent of everything, and I just put this no way I'm having anyone chop me off again, no way, not after last time and so, but in the that that would have been a wait list anyway. So like that wasn't going to happen tomorrow, even though that was what they thought they needed, that wasn't going to happen tomorrow. So in though that was what they thought they needed, that wasn't going to happen tomorrow. So in the short term, the only thing they had to offer was the um injections to chemically induce the menopause, which really goes again.
Speaker 2:I've always like that line too. I've always just naturally felt that chemicals are not good, and I've witnessed prescription drugs effect on. Like my mum has bipolar and so she was heavily medicated. And now the doctors treat her like well, you have been on a really high dose of lithium. What do you expect? Like, if she hadn't have taken those drugs, she would have been sectioned literally. And now it's like flip back round, done. Well, you know, look what you've done. It's just disgusting the whole, the whole thing. So, um, where was I before?
Speaker 2:so you that natural you didn't want the yeah, I didn't want that, but I couldn't keep crawling around the house and spending my days in bed. I couldn't. You know. My daughter at that time she's now nearly 16. I've got two older children as well, who were adults at the time, so, you know, but my younger daughter she was well, she's now nearly 16. So from from age 10 she was going through watching me go through that, you know, and kind of it some.
Speaker 2:There was a good couple of three years when I was really like I did really feel like such a shit mum. I couldn't do mum things. I couldn't take her to school every day I mostly did, but that was, that was, if I can get out of bed today and I can drop her off at school, then that was an achievement and I'd gone from being, you know, an MG like. That's not an achievement is. Is it for an MG? No, not really. No, that's just like the little thing that you do on the way to do whatever else you're doing. But that was where I had got to at that point. So I had to try it and actually I think a lot of it was psychological, in that this is going to help because you're not going to, because my symptoms were worse when I was bleeding, that this is going to help, because you're not going to, because my symptoms were worse when I was bleeding. So I was. Then, you know, I started to menstruate and my symptoms did. They were worse and they were bad when I was ovulating and they were bad the week before I bled and they were bad the week after I bled. But I did have this cycle that I could pin things on, and so then that was taking that away. So then the anxiety of because, like when I was bleeding, that would be the whole week, you know, I would go nowhere, that would be, that would be just just I'm just going to bleed this week, and that was it.
Speaker 2:But the whole time I was still trying to repress the underlying emotion and trauma that was there, way before my appendix ruptured, but I'd kind of ignored. So then, um, when I started those injections, I also knew I had to get better. So that at the end of because those injections were only licensed for so long, and then at the end of that period, you um that they're not licensed. So actually what happened was I got to the end of that. I think it was 18 months. I got to the end of that 18 month period and then this amazing GP at my doctor's surgery who wasn't my GP but she'd seen my note she contacted me and spoke about everything that had gone on and everything. And she actually wrote to three different gynecologists and until she found one who agreed for me to have them outside of license period as opposed to having the operation because she agreed with me that it was. There was no guarantees with it. You know like there was so many risks associated with it, probably a is it? Stoma bag?
Speaker 2:oh, yeah, yeah probably one of them. There's so many risks, you know, and like no guarantees, whereas at least I knew what I was living with. So she actually got um agreement in the end for those injections to be extended. So then I had this thing. I could long term have lived on those, but there's obviously a reasons for that license period and the longer it went on, the more determined I kind of became, like I can you know? There there is something and I had.
Speaker 2:I was aware of what had happened in my childhood. I was aware that I was. I didn't want to admit to it, but I was aware that I was holding on to stuff that was you know. There was awareness of that, and then in that time flashbacks and nightmares started happening and it was like this is all the stuff. And now I think, like a lot of the.
Speaker 2:I mean I read a lot, I listened to a lot, listened to loads, hours and hours of stuff and a lot of. I think there's a link between, because in puberty your hormones are obviously the other end, but they're coming, and then in menopause they're going, but it's that same, that same mix, and I think your body is like same, that same mix, and I think your body is like oh, we remember this, this, and then everything that was going on then kind of came up and that's yeah, and then it was just finding ways to work through all of that, which was how, to be honest, it was fucking horrible, but working through it it got easier, it did and, yeah, and the more I allowed myself to be with the really hard, really difficult feelings, more I allowed myself to be with them.
Speaker 2:They it was just like one little piece at a time, just when, like, say it's, that was a seven year period. It was a long time wow it didn't happen overnight was it so? Up down solo journey.
Speaker 1:Have you done it? Done it on your own or have you like?
Speaker 2:no, done it in my husband's arms, oh, in your husband's arms. But like you haven't sort of outsourced counseling.
Speaker 2:And I tried, I tried there were so many, there's so few places like I'm not in a position where I could afford to pay for anything. So, um, my GP I mean I was she was a godsend and she basically said if I refer you to the well-being which I'll do, because this is trauma, you're not. Although I was. I, throughout my life I've had depressed, depressive periods. But she said you're not depressed, this isn't anxiety, this isn't depressed. Obviously I was anxious, obviously I felt depressed, but it was the trauma.
Speaker 1:And I mean, I think that's pretty generic really.
Speaker 2:I don't think that I'm alone in that. So the counselling services that you got through the NHS on the wellbeing, they won't if you have trauma. They won't do that for you. Like you can't access them because you have trauma. Wow, so they do not provide a service for people with trauma. So then you have charities. So I went to like my local rape crisis charity and I went to Survivors in Transition, which is the same charity, and I went to um survivors in transition, which is the same, but for children, you know, adults who experience sexual abuse as children and between those I did get support. I had like um one-to-one sessions with a lady from the survivors and transitions, and then the um.
Speaker 2:I got referred for counselling and I had like a six-month period session and that came actually fairly near the end Like by then I'd already had to suss a lot of it out and then I did, yeah, and then what really was really like really made a fundamental difference was there was a great round by the rape crisis with other women and connecting with other women who have been pretty similar. That was huge, that was a huge impact and that, I think, was where I thought I need to do more. And within that group I mean amazing, incredible women. And how the fuck they turned up, I don't know, because mine was like gone back 20 years, you know, over 20 years, mine was in the past almost dead and buried, whereas theirs was a lot fresher and a lot rurer and like they were still in court procedures and they were still in it. So like I actually felt within that I had something to offer in that I've been through, you know, come out of more and for me it was so much.
Speaker 2:It wasn't. It was never easy to to keep it down. It took out. Now I can see how much of my energy went on keeping everything down. So much energy like, wow, but yeah, so that's wow, thanks for thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 1:So the majority of the healing you did in your husband's arms. But you did it yourself your own research, your own reading, your own processing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the kind of reading. So I listened to just loads and loads of podcasts about the women talking about their stories and experiences. I stayed away from anything really psychological or anything. I've always had this fear of like mental hell, I think, watching my mum get sectioned. I mean she, she, um, shared what had happened to her. It was all just denied and dismissed.
Speaker 2:No, you're crazy yeah you know and so like that for me was never an option, like I'm never going to go to a doctor and tell them because I don't want to end up sectioned like and that is what I witnessed and that is what I, that was my experience. So, um, anything that way was really not very helpful to me and the kind of the medical system has just never felt right to me. The same with, like religion and history.
Speaker 2:They've just never felt right, like they just felt off, and so I've just not gone. So I listen to a lot of Well, astrology and human design were really the most useful things, because they look at the, they look at the gifts of it and the shadows and the whole, and that was that was where that came in for me and gave me the understanding. But then the actual healing that I'm talking about, like in my husband's arm, that's like. That was the semantics, like I have never had to verbally tell anyone what happened.
Speaker 2:I don't think I could even put my memory of that period of my life. I don't think I could actually actually, even if I wanted to tell a story, tell a detailed story of that time, I don't think I could. I don't have. Like, I think our brains and our bodies protect us, they, they. I wasn't actually in my body for a lot of that, I'd gone somewhere else, you know. So it's like. But the body obviously remembers and holds on to that and needs to feel it. So, feeling it when you are somewhere that you're safe, that was the healing really. That was the somatic healing stuff, kind of yeah, and I couldn't have done that on my own, I couldn't have. But I did it with him and, like it's not that he knew what he was, well, he obviously did on some level, but that must have been a past life thing. He's a builder, you know.
Speaker 1:It's not what he does for a living but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm just so lucky that that's what.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, and I'm also very aware that.
Speaker 2:I am the only woman who is married to him. I'm sure he's not the only man in the world who can do that for a woman. I'm sure there are, you know someone. I'd like to think that there's someone for everyone out there, but there's also equally women who are on their own, and so I think that's what's really like. I used to say to him how the fuck does anyone do this on their own? They probably don't. They probably take the medication because they can't do it on their own. So I think that's where my drive to help other people, other women, comes from. Like you know, the women who are tear up now, the women who are on their own, and they do have no one like.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah that's yeah, it's powerful, isn't it? When you get, get to the like, when you know that you, when you've had that personal experience, and it does make you feel emotional because you know what it feels like but you also. You also know how powerful it is to be on the other side or to go through it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and like the fear of being with those feelings is they are so huge, they're like totally overwhelming, they're so huge and like obviously my husband couldn't be with me 24 7. There was times when I would be out walking with the dog and something would come up and I just have to be with, like I would, I couldn't. I got to and my dog was actually really good for me, like when we got him. He's a dogman, you've got him as a puppy. The plan was never for me to walk him. You know, I wasn't gonna, I couldn't walk, I couldn't do a five minute walk at that time. So we got this. I probably could have done five, but I didn't, I didn't walk, I didn't have the confidence to go out for a walk. So we got this. I probably could have done five, but I didn't, I didn't walk, I didn't have the confidence to go out for a walk.
Speaker 2:So we got him and then, like you know, with a puppy you build it up, you do five minutes, you do 10 minutes and it just it just it didn't fall on me, I suppose. I guess I just took it on kind of I've always, we've always had dogs. I've always done the walking in the past, like we had a German Shepherd before but she'd gotten old and was okay with not walking and then she passed and then we were dogless for a while. We had little ones, but big dogless for a little while, so we got him. So then I like built it up with him like five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and I wasn't doing that for me, I was doing that for him. And like they say you get the dog you need, don't you? He is so, so needy. Like I think I'm needy.
Speaker 2:He's so needy. I wanted a dog to like protect me. I've always felt like I need some protection. I don't want to be on my own for like obvious reasons. But and he is that now he's grown up like if I go for a walk, he is that I wouldn't go to the woods on my own like I do. He does do that, but more than that he has so many little needs that just need meeting all day long and that kind of like gets me out of me and doing things for him. That, yeah, and I guess in the past I had my children to do that for me. I mean, I was a mum at age 16, so I had my children to do that, but like my youngest daughter at 10 years old, she didn't need me on that really needy physical level yeah it's a different need as they get older, isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah but not one that consumes you in the same way to meet those physical basic needs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you talked, you said that like um, the the somatic side of things, and like movie, letting that all of those things move through your body. But when you came to human design and astrology, did it become more psychological for you then, like working, so when I have the feelings on a more mental level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think what that does is that gives work. Well, when I first came to it, it was Emma Dunwoody's podcast that just popped up in my thing and I just listened. I didn't know what human design was I think I was into astrology at that point and she was saying how she'd healed her anxiety and depression. I was like wait, what Fuck? You can do that, what? And then she went on to talk about things and I got the chart up and and the biggest thing I had at the beginning was find it.
Speaker 2:At that time I got my birth time wrong, so I thought I was a generator, so not too off, like it wasn't a projector, it was generated but it's still following that sacral response. Well, obviously there was a lot of blocks to me feeling my sacral response because I didn't live in my sacral, because that was not really the place I wanted to be. So, um, and then kind of knowing that you are meant finding out those line two, you are meant to actually do the things that naturally come easy and that you enjoy, and so then I started putting more of those things, or I don't know if I put more in or if I started to let go of the guilt of having those nice things. My husband was always very like. You know, go to work, just do what you want to do today.
Speaker 2:I can't do that. I can't do what I want. I've got to sit here and cry, but like it was really hard to see that actually doing what you want, following the things you enjoy, is part of the healing. Right, not selfish, it's not wrong, it's not avoiding. It's actually part of the healing, because when you spend time doing the things you want to do and you are enjoying, that's when the energy to comes. You you know it's generating the energy, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that kind of that was the first kind of realisation. Then I got more into the gates further down the line and I kind of I got a lot more into them with Kim other than the Jenkies. I like the Jenkies, so listening to the Jenkies and they talk, that's more mental, isn't it yeah?
Speaker 1:Contemplative yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jenki's. And they talk that's more mental, isn't it? And on the contemplative, spiritual, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I like that because that wasn't like I've always spent. I mean, I've got mercury is combust, my son, and then I've got pluto and saturn. They're all there in a stallion okay so in scorpio.
Speaker 2:So I've always spent a lot of time in deep thought, but against myself, critical and like analytical, not not helpful little voices to have in my head, but then realizing like, um, contemplating as well, rather than what's the other word that they kind of use more, where you go over and over something and ruminating ruminating yeah, yeah so before I would have called it ruminating rather than contemplating, and they're kind of the same thing really aren't they apart from?
Speaker 2:one you look at positively and the other you look at, but the ruminating will just go round and round about how shit you are, whereas the contemplating is different, isn't it?
Speaker 1:but it's a bit more like why do I do that? Why is, yeah, how is that playing out for me?
Speaker 2:like it's a bit more sort of observing your experiences and you start, yeah, and that's you start to observe yourself, don't you? You start to step back and watch yourself and see, and also seeing we can be all of these different things I mean my main's in cancer, my like, I am, all of these different things but like we've been put, like you're this, so you be this. But no one is just this one thing. And I think we kind of try and stay and like how we're different. With everybody that we're with, we build different relationships, don't we? Our energies connect in different ways. So we are different, we're not. We're not one thing ever, are we. And that's kind of like gives you the helps you to tap into all those parts of yourself that you kind of hid away or you're repressed or you shut down because you had to be this one like and that one didn't fit with this one or that one wasn't acceptable, and it just gives you the bigger picture on things. And then, looking back at the like, mythology and the history which is history, it's all his story, isn't it? It's not, it's that's exactly what it is. And looking at the like, mythology and the history which is history, it's all his story, isn't it? It's not, it's, that's exactly what it is and looking at the creation of like patriarch and all of that stuff, and seeing that it's all so much bigger than just me. It's not just me in this, it's like this is just a mini version of a bigger version, that kind of thing. I think that. But I think like the human design especially, see, I love all the goddess and the feminine side and that kind of thing. I think that. But I think like the human design especially, see, I love all the goddess and the feminine side and that's what Kim pulled, everything all together. So I'd been like doing a bit of human design. I've been doing a bit of astrology or quite a lot of astrology and the goddess kind of like stuff. But then what Kim done was like pulled it all into one thing and then everything is there. But I do still like the astrology. I find like when I do um other women's charts, I want to look at the astrology as well, because that just gives like a bigger overview and then I can like get in deeper and pull it apart more. And I love the holographic and the progress chart. So, like our chart, isn't this for our lifetime? It changes and evolves and you can kind of see, then, and I love all the cycles within it.
Speaker 2:Looking back at the cycles, I mean, when everything was bad for me, I was in the dark moon phase in my life, which is like a three-year period, okay, which is like the equivalent of the day before you start to bleed and the first couple of days of bleeding, if you look at it on a human cycle, yeah, but then like the moon in the transits and the life cycle, that's where I was and that's totally what it felt, like Shedding. But now I really enjoy that time. I really enjoy that time now. It's not nothing that I really, you know, and I'm so grateful that I get to still bleed, like because I've had that menopause experience, and then I've got I get to menstruate again, like, and I'm so grateful for that and I'm so grateful for that, and I'm going to enjoy every single one, because until I went through that, they were like a curse, that's what my mum called it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is what it teaches us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the curse.
Speaker 2:But they're actually a portal. What Totally they're actually?
Speaker 1:like a portal.
Speaker 2:And do you know what I?
Speaker 1:feel like I missed the boat a little bit, because it was really only in the last few years that I have, um, realized that and I think for so many women, you know, it is still this thing to be feared or hated on, and and we're just sort of coming to this point where actually, no, we can embrace it, we can work with our cycles and they can be, you know, and like you said, that you can have those portals. But of course I'm going into a different phase now, um, which I think you just internalize it, though I think it's going to have huge benefits.
Speaker 2:Start, you won't have to worry about getting pregnant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally, um, but I, I feel the moon cycles much more now. I feel the energy of the moon. My, my energy really shifts with, with the new moon and like when the full moon, yeah, different full moons, and yeah, I can feel that, whereas I didn't used to and there's something to be said for, like being I'm in perimenopause, but I haven't had a regular cycle now for about six months, a cycle at all. The consistency and the balance, the even temperedness is like yeah, it's like, oh, this is cool because you've got all of that experience, but there's not that kind of wave of, like you know, rage no.
Speaker 2:No, I think we've all just been sold an absolute lie, Like they didn't want us to realise the power inside our bodies. They did not want us to tap into that and a lot of the um, like the rage and the anger that comes up. We've got a lot to be fucked off about. Do you know what I mean? Like we have, haven't we like?
Speaker 2:seriously yeah wouldn't men be like and and a lot of men also do like the patriarch is just a damage into men, is what it is to women, the majority there's a few little elite men who benefit isn't there, but the majority of men have also been damaged. But I think the difference is like and I'm not any man, there's at least two that I like, husband and son. But no, no, like I'm not totally any man. But I think the difference is like I mean, class comes into it as well, but if you look at like working class men, just to look at it in that way, if you want to throw in class and everything like the lowest level of income, what, that man will obviously be repressed and he will have a lot of shit to deal with. But he'll most likely take that out on the wife or the partner, so she will still, relative to him, have a lot more to deal with. Or even if he is lovely, she will still have everything he has to deal with and the fact that she's a woman. So so like that that it is.
Speaker 2:Obviously there are some women who are, who are comparatively better off than some men. Of course there are, but when you look at the whole thing. Half the population, the women, are always going to be. If you look at a woman who you know has her own money, has her own whatever and social status, she's still going to be comparatively have more challenges to a man of equal social status. She is because she's a woman and we live in a world that is designed that way and they're really sneaky about how, at the moment, at the moment, yeah, it's crumbling but they are really sneaky.
Speaker 2:It's really sneakily down, isn't it like? Some things are quite blatant, some things are actually it is, and it's just so.
Speaker 1:It's just so ingrained because it's been going on for so long, that, like for so many people, like even the fact that we call like you know, in my lifetime my mum called up the period the curse right because something to be hated on the curse, yeah, um, yeah and that gets fed to men, doesn't it? Yeah, and that well wasn't hysterectomy, to like they were created hysteria, yeah, so hysteria and women yeah, that was a way to treat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah so, but there's and, but we're like it's just so ingrained in society, like so if someone, if you as a woman, go to the doctor, for example, I don't go to the doctors. Um, I tried to avoid them at all costs.
Speaker 2:But if you did, why would anyone I said I was going I?
Speaker 1:was was going like my mood was funny or I had brain fog. They'd try and push a drug on me to make me better and it's like I don't need to be better. I'm okay as I am.
Speaker 2:Like shut you up and put you back in your box. Yeah and conform to the system.
Speaker 1:Take that, take that and just yeah, do as we say.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think, like with ADHD as well, like I totally agree that the symptoms are there. I think we can see a lot of that in the chart and I think it's actually a superpower and there's this rise in women being diagnosed with ADHD. Why is that? They want you to get back in your box and they want you to take the drugs and get back in your box. It's not that they suddenly care about women. Women have always lived with the things that women live with now and women have always experienced what symptoms of ADHD.
Speaker 2:I think ADHD, I mean it's a different tangent, but I think it's very much linked in with trauma. I'm sure that I could get a diagnosis like of course I could, because they'd want to sound with the drugs, but I think it's very much linked with trauma, because so many of those symptoms can be explained as either fight, float, freeze or fawn like right, pretty much all of them like yeah, yeah, I I have yeah, I have had one guest on who's talked about ADHD, and so I don't know a lot about it, but I do think that a lot of children that are different, that are coming through, are part of our evolution.
Speaker 2:Oh, definitely as a species. But because they don't fit the norms, they get box, they get drugged yeah, so they do. Schools, yeah, the 10 years I worked in school, I worked start, I started special school and then I wanted to see, like, what was it like for these kids in mainstream? So then I went mainstream, then I did pros, so I worked with children. A lot of children had an asd diagnosis or ad, adhd or just general behavior. They would. They were challenging to the schools because they didn't fit what the schools wanted. They were amazing. I absolutely loved working with them. Like, I learned so much from them and they were pretty much you know they. They had difficult things going on at home. They had different. There was reasons for a lot of the behavior. Oh, there was a reason for every single behavior, obviously like, and yeah, like it was the school's problem, not theirs. But the schools don't want to take ownership of it and the schools aren't really supported. The schools are part of a system, a patriarchal system, aren't they?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's pretty hectic, like there's just so many different things going on. Um, let's get, let's get, let's get back to you and the um chart, because you've used it in your own healing journey as part of a recognition of some of the experiences that you've had and a reclamation of who you are, and that's really one of the things that you want to be able to do for others, or that you've started to do for others.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean like the body tells a story and that story is also written in the chart, and I think you can kind of experience things within your body. Then you can go to the chart and that can help you on a mental level to make sense of what you've seen. Or the other way around you can see it in the chart and then you can find it in. That can help you to find where it is in your body. I think that's a lot of how I use it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, um, is there any particular um place in the chart where you, where you've had a big aha moment for yourself, or if there's just been lots yeah, pluto, yeah. Did you say that you've got Pluto in Scorpio?
Speaker 2:No, I've got Pluto at 29 degrees Libra. I'm like 23 minutes away from Scorpio, but he's conjunct Mercury, who is just in Scorpio, and then my son is in Scorpio, and the 29th is like the aneretic degree, isn't it? It's like the crisis point of a sign.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and in gate 50, and when I listened to the jenkies on that and like the shadow of responsibility, I have thought my whole life responsibility is going to kill me. Like I've had so much responsibility when I wasn't old enough for it. I wasn't old enough for the responsibilities I had and I've coped with them fine. On the outside I'd done all the things and appeared to be coping, but on the inside I think it was totally different and I wasn't even aware of that really until I didn't have so much responsibility that I could then see I could then yeah so what happened when you, kind of um, learned more about Pluto and your your experience?
Speaker 1:was it um, I think I just cried for weeks.
Speaker 2:I remember one night I got the Karen um Karen Parker yeah, yeah yeah, the book, yeah, yeah, and so I was looking in there and my son's in gate 28, so that's the gate of struggle. I didn't know that. And I got the book and I worked out.
Speaker 1:Does that have a channel with 38?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right yeah yeah. And I saw it as in the gate of struggle and that, just like I, just went and woke my husband up crying. I've got the gate of struggle. What are you on about now? But yeah, but then that just made sense, like I'd had one struggle after another, after another, after another. But then when I read that they're like higher and now like through the jinkies, obviously you have the totality and it's the purposeless. And yeah, is that right purpose?
Speaker 1:is it?
Speaker 2:purposelessness, yeah, but the shadow is um lack of purpose and fear of dying and living with. So like I used to fear living, and now I think I've definitely shifted more to fearing dying without having lived kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So I've definitely feared living for a very long time and now it's more like, well, I don't want to die without having lived. And then the gift, the like um city of totality, like I can be with anything now. Like it's not always easy what it is. It is easy to be with it. It's not always pleasant and comfortable and enjoyable, but there is kind of a joy to be in with deep grief and deep pain. There is kind of pleasure to that. In a weird way there is like it's the golden shadow, isn't it? Within all that dark there is a light. When you get there you have to go deep enough, but it is there yeah, yeah, and it's how deep do you go?
Speaker 1:keep digging yeah, I think we've been talking about um pluto for me as well, because I've got pluto in opposition in my natal chart, in my astrological birth chart, so I have that. I have a real kind of it's almost like a power struggle between those, between my son and and pluto. So I'm trying I'm actually at a point where I'm trying to determine, because you often recognize one and not the other right, because they're in opposition. So how do they work together? But also, when am I in my Pluto and when am I in my sun?
Speaker 2:Yeah, pluto feels pretty big for me my Pluto opposes my eldest daughter's son. Okay, I think that's quite painful for her oh yeah, in what way I can, ah, I don't really know. I know that I can see right through her, okay, and you don't always want someone to be able to do that, do you? Do you think?
Speaker 1:that's the power of Pluto. Is it because it's a powerful energy?
Speaker 2:It is yeah. It is one that just wants to go straight for the jugular and like get in there and like I mean it's conjunct, my son I definitely. I sometimes think, no, just rein it back a bit, Like that's got to, but there is a real gift to that. And like I mean we have really deep conversations and like. But I think when she was growing up I was obviously coming a lot more from the shadows, right up.
Speaker 2:I was obviously coming a lot more from the shadows, right, and I think, yeah, I like look back and we talk about it and I like think, yeah, that, and just having that energy, just even just sitting in the same room as me, when that is a that's intense, that's a lot when you're growing up and you're not really sure of who you are and what you want to do in the world, and you've got and you've got the piercing, the piercing energy of mum, without me even having to open my mouth and make things a hundred times worse, but just that energy.
Speaker 2:I think like, why did she choose that? And then I can kind of see exactly why she chose that, because obviously there's a huge gift to it as well. When she's overcome the challenge of it, there's a who you know know, like growing up with that energy, other energies, when she's older, are not gonna crush her. She will have adapted and learned these strategies to like work around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah, yeah exactly that yeah yeah, it's an interesting interesting because it does all happen, even outside of our conscious awareness, doesn't it like we don't have to even know human design, we don't have to talk about it, we don't even have to talk or interact with anyone. We just our aura is in. When we're in energy with it, it's just happening, isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah under our conscious awareness, but then human design, you can become conscious, conscious of it and actually see what's up, like the emotion that was. Another huge, huge thing for me was the solar plexus and um finding out that I had emotional definition because I'd repressed all of my emotions. I saw emotions as like dangerous, like don't let anyone know you're sad, don't let anyone know you're upset, you know, just keep all that down. And when I got my birth time wrong, I had um I undefined, so I was a non-emotional oh, okay and that still left like so many things fell off.
Speaker 2:It just didn't feel right. I was like, but I am, there must. Probably is something wrong with me then because I am Like I do have all that weight. But then when I got the correct birth time or I rectified it and I'm like 99% sure that I've got the right time from how I've worked with the Gates and what feels true and like having that emotional, you're always on a wave. We're always up and down and honouring that and being okay with that. And then teaching like all of my family are open, okay. So then teaching them like it's not actually bad for me, just just let me cry, like it's fine, it's not as bad for me as what it looks for you and feels for you, because for them it's obviously magnified.
Speaker 2:And I do have a sense of that because in my interactive chart I am open and I do feel that yeah so I think that's why I kind of relate to being what to the first bit of time, because I do experience that that's what Kim as well like looking at the interactive chart and all of the other multi-dimensional layers that just like open up and that and it all makes sense to me, it all feels true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I've, I um haven't spent a whole bunch of time with my interactive. I'm kind of aware of it and yeah, it feels like I have a single definition in my interactive and also my soul. Do you? Yeah, are you? Split in your normal in your triple split, triple split, triple split. But then, when you interact, oh right, yeah, so that's interesting and my solar plexus is the only thing that switches off in the interactive and that feels pretty convenient as well. But, my husband also bridges all my splits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my husband bridges mine and so does the dog, because the dog that I was talking about they've got the same birthday and he also has the gate 20, so they they both bridge me so like yeah oh, wow, but there is those any like learning that?
Speaker 2:and like I can feel our bridge gates. I can physically feel them like it's true, isn't it? And I know, like when I'm, when I meet someone new, I have a conversation and like if I get to a point where I can ask for birth details, I already know they've got the gay fae.
Speaker 1:I can just feel it. You know, you know we're both well, there's an evolution happening right, because you've gone through this massive transformation, very Plutonian of you, yeah, yeah, seven-year transformation and you really feel like you're sort of just coming into.
Speaker 2:Crawling out, crawling out.
Speaker 1:Crawling out Blooming, yeah, and so you're kind of exploring. You know that, you I think that everyone who talks to you in the human design community we feel when you're passionate. You know that you want to help other women that have gone through experiences like you, because you've had such a powerful transformation, yeah, from this. Um, how have you started? I know that you're sort of kind of figuring out what your yeah. So I mean, like the holistic therapies.
Speaker 2:The body work.
Speaker 2:I did that actually over 20 years ago. That was, that was easy, that came too easy to for it to seriously be a job, because it was just. I did that because I'd done my some of my GCSEs. I had my eldest daughter in my last year of school. I was sat doing my exams with breast milk linking everywhere. It was literally six weeks after she was born and I only did the two, just the English and the maths.
Speaker 2:So then I went back to do some more GCSEs and I had this thing like I'd already failed. Basically that's how I felt. I'd already failed. I was already going to be a shit mom and I'd already failed because it was done like you know. No, no one actually questioned concept how this baby was conceived. Like you know, it was just my fault. It was just all on me, you know. So from that I think I felt I had something to prove and that through education I could do that, because that's what society sort of tells you, doesn't it? So I started doing the GCSE and then it was kind of like I wanted to go on to university. I wanted to do like high level and I wanted to do something around. Well, I think I wanted to. I knew I want to do something around health and I wanted to do some kind of helping profession and I've have got the 27, the um, nourishment and care, and that is my and you know I was always going right back.
Speaker 2:I was always with animals. I was always doing like a caring and actually having a baby like wasn't hard for me to care for a baby, it was just, it was easy, it was it came naturally, like, and I mean, I breastfed my daughter and that wasn't what older women even did let alone 16 year olds.
Speaker 1:No, totally.
Speaker 2:But it just came, it was just natural, it was just obvious. Like, why would anyone want to get up in the night and make a bottle? What's wrong with you? Why would you want to do that? But obviously I know, like it's not breastfeeding, it isn't easy for everybody and I was very, very lucky. It was, isn't easy for everybody, and I was very, very lucky.
Speaker 1:It was easy, yeah, probably back then it wasn't really encouraged. No, it wasn't encouraged.
Speaker 2:No, no, but I guess there's always been a teenager yeah, and I guess there's always been something in me that was like I don't know, I guess that is that Pluto, saturn, sun like fuck you, I'm gonna do it anyway. There is that that. That is in there, that kind of like, and when you've already view yourself, as other people viewing you have as being a failure and messing everything up, then it kind of doesn't really matter if you breastfeed your baby anyway, because you're already like, you're already dirt to everyone else anyway. So like, can they actually bring her anything worse? I don't know, it's just there. There was something freeing about that also and yeah, but um, so where was I?
Speaker 1:um, you went back to study.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, so then I was kind of presented well, you could do this holistic therapies course and this will give you the equivalent of a levels. Then you can go on to university. It was presented in that way and I thought, okay, and I'd done a like um, like a little rogue beauty therapy thing, like a basic intro, and I really enjoyed the practical side of that. I didn't want to be a beautician because I kind of like don't care about those things enough, but I did like the practical side of it and I thought, oh, okay, I didn't know what holistic meant and I went and I really really enjoyed it and it was really therapeutic for me as well to like receive them and to but more to give.
Speaker 2:I kind of like found and the aromatherapy as well. Like as soon as I opened the bottles and smelling the oils like that took me home. Like there's something like so heartfelt in all of that. But it was easy and it came naturally and it was like I hadn't worked hard for that. I just and you know so I still had to go on and do something hard, I just, and I wanted to and I wanted to understand more, how, how did this work? How did this make things feel so much better and like, and I, you know, I did start practicing and I would have I'm mainly working with a lot of older women and they would, you know, say, oh, this is how, how is it? It can't just be that you just come here and I just do what I've just been taught, and then you're that just can't be, then you feel better yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I wanted to kind of I wanted the science of it, and actually when I done so I done health and nutrition was what I signed up for and then I combined it with sports science modules as well and it just like just really just put a dampener on everything. Like I'd look at the tutors and I'd think, oh my God, like I don't know, it just really really put a downer on it all for me like crushed it and I'd been like into kind of nutrition. I mean I think that's part of the way of managing eating disorders really is trying to make it healthy, when actually it's more about the.
Speaker 1:Yes, I just don't know anything like that now but that that that more fueled it.
Speaker 2:But then, because I'd got an interest in the sports science, suddenly everyone was being told you, you can go be a PE teacher now, like what? No, but that was what they were encouraging, okay, so I went and done work experience at a high school totally, that's not. I've never been into sport exercise for health, but not sport. And then I did work experience at a special school and I had a year left on my degree and then I was like, oh my god, like this is amazing. And then I left my degree and took the teaching assistant job and sort of worked up from there. Yeah, yeah. So that's how it came.
Speaker 2:But that's kind of like every I mean I've got an open g-cent, I've never known where I'm going, I never know who I am, what I'm doing or whatever. But things just and the line four opportunities just come along and things just and kind of I can look back and see how well I did that when I was younger. Like my younger self was really good at that and she was really tuned in and tapped into it. But then I think as I got like older, it was harder to do that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you've, you've, um, so you're sort of going back, bringing your body work back into the the work that you're doing yeah, so joining it up, I mean the aromatherapy and the astrology.
Speaker 2:When you look at a birth chart and then you link in the aromatherapy and the astrology. When you look at a birth chart and then you link in the aromatherapy and use that as kind of, I mean, you can find it without the astrological chart, but when you look at a chart it's just like a shortcut and then it's like these are.
Speaker 2:You know, it's already just and you can see how the body systems are working, because I mean, I've only sort of dabbled with medical astrology, I haven't gone too much far, but you can just see on the chart and like all of the emotions they, they all, they all represent on a physical level and you can kind of you can look at a chart and you can get the story of the person with, even without them having to share the whole story, you can just get an inkling for it and then pull it together and then like, obviously, working with the like body work you're, it's almost like you're moving the energy of those channels you can like, and I find if I do a reading after I've done body work, then it's it's almost like the body talks and it gives you more insights and they don't even have to speak and so. But then it just helps to know what to know, because I find a lot of the reading is like kind of channeled, really, like I don't know.
Speaker 1:It is like I can imagine that it would actually feel very nourishing to have to have that experience where someone looks at your chart, because it can be very it that the idea of having a reading where someone just sort of tells you well, this is who you are, it can kind of be nice to have that.
Speaker 1:But to then because I think it's affirming for someone to say these are the things that I see about you, but things that you feel that you have yeah, yeah yeah, and then someone says it, and then someone says it, but then that idea of um bringing in aromatherapy and and, like that, the nourishment of a massage or some kind of like physical experience to really like put it into.
Speaker 2:I don't know, put it into the body or yeah and I also feel like there's so much we can do for ourselves you actually don't have to go to anyone to give you a massage. There's so much you can do for yourself as well and kind of through that's kind of a lot of where I want to go. Like there, there is so much you can do for yourself and you can work with the energy to yourself and you can support and nourish yourself and kind of helping people to tap into that. Because, like to just have a reading, I kind of feel like just a reading on its own like 2d, isn't it?
Speaker 1:it's just a bit yeah, yeah, it's like what do you actually do with that?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, oh you just told me how amazing I could be. Thanks, but I have no fucking clue how I'm gonna get there. I'll just go home and cry that I'm not that. But it's like there is helping people to bridge that and helping people to work through and see and like and hopefully help making it easier for them than what it was for me to get there, like, through and just haven't. Because when I was, I just long to hear someone say I used to feel like that no, I don't, because I just think there is this thing of like if you're damaged, you're damaged for life. That's it. It's irreversible, you're done. I think that is how society sees it. I don't think yeah, the whole, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think so you're here to change that yeah it's not lifelong it's like it's.
Speaker 2:It's not. No, it is no, it is just. It's all cycles and stages and our bodies are designed to heal trauma.
Speaker 2:They are designed to do it yeah we have been conditioned to not let our bodies lead when it comes to illness and to not let our bodies show us and talk to us and inform us on what we need to do. So we don't listen to our bodies. We listen to our mind, which has been conditioned to do what people want us to do. So we've been, we've been separated deliberately from our bodies, haven't we? And it's kind of helping people to realise that actually, you know your body is your home and your place of safety.
Speaker 1:And you can learn to trust it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think for women we've kind of gone over our hour so I'm kind of conscious of bringing things to a close, but I think that women starting to just pay attention to their cycles and embrace that cyclical nature is a really good starting point actually. Yeah, definitely. Because it's like trusting how you feel. Oh, you know, even if it's simple things like I feel hungrier than usual. Yeah then eat. Oh, well then, yeah, but yeah, eat, and that probably means that you're going to get your period in the next couple of days and that's okay, like, but we've even been conditioned that it's you feel bad to be hungry, haven't we like?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, I was, we shouldn't be hungry.
Speaker 1:I wasn't hungry, yeah, I wasn't hungry last week, and now I can't control myself, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's actually normal.
Speaker 1:Like yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, what even is normal?
Speaker 2:But yeah, and also like you don't have to go looking for your pains and traumas and you don't have to bring it all up in once and overwhelm yourself. Things will come up and you just do a little bit, then you go back to enjoying what you enjoy and then you just do a little bit. Then you go back to enjoying what you enjoy and then you just do a little bit more. It doesn't have to be painful, it can happen naturally, and you can be led by your body, and I do think only what we can handle will ever come up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah I don't know who thought I could handle what they didn't really handle, but I did. So that has actually proved that, and I think if it hadn't happened for me in that way, I would have just been able to ignore it. If it it'd obviously been whispering at me forever, so I obviously needed that. But yeah it does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't believe we have to go searching for things and that it has to be dreadful. I think it can. Actually, if you do a little bit at a time, it can actually be quite an enjoyable, pleasant experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially like the somatic side of it. Yeah, and sex is actually really healing and sexual energy is creative energy. It's our life force energy. It's the energy that we're generating.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know, there is this big thing, like I don't know an unspoken thing that if you've been sexually abused or if you've experienced sexual violence, you're not going to like sex. That's bullocks. Yeah, you know, like that's not true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like you've just had that sorry you've just had that taken away from you and that's it for the end. You're never gonna have that. Yeah, and then people fear ever going there. But going there for me has been the most healing thing I could ever do. That for me, is healers, that intimacy on all levels like obviously it's. It. Wouldn't you couldn't just get that if you haven't got that on all of all the other levels. But that, for me, is where the healing happens that's a pretty good note to end on.
Speaker 1:Have more.
Speaker 2:There we go everyone only with the right person, though only with the right person yeah, yeah carry. You do take on the energy, don't you?
Speaker 1:yes, yeah yeah, yeah this has been such a great conversation. We could probably keep going for another three hours or something. I don't think we'd run out of things to talk about. But, um, I'm gonna close for now. We're gonna put you your information in the guest directory, but in the meantime, is there anywhere that you would like to kind of direct people who want to find out more about what you do? Who?
Speaker 2:you are at the moment. There's my website so you could go to that which I'm actually working on at the moment, and then there's also my Instagram, which is also on Facebook. So and kind of what I'm doing is combining the two yeah so I'm kind of and I have got there's some really amazing things coming up in sort of the autumn time that I'm going to be offering so yeah, I'm really excited about what's coming up, but it's not. It's still, you know, still, it's still just not ready to be shared yet, but it's coming, it's oh good good, good, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll put all of those links in the guest directory um website, facebook, instagram, so people can find you easily thank. Thank you so much for joining me. It's been really lovely to hang out with you, thank you.
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