Do You Need HRT? Everything You Need To Know - Patricia Hernandez

Hot flushes. Sleepless nights. Weight gain that makes no sense. And a GP quick to hand you a patch.

But what if the problem isn’t simply “low hormones”?

In this episode, functional hormone and health coach Patricia Hernandez lays out a smarter sequence for women in perimenopause and menopause: test first, repair the foundations, then make a measured decision about HRT.

We unpack why so many women “do everything right” and still gain weight. Why night sweats don’t automatically mean low oestrogen. And how gut health, liver detoxification, and blood sugar regulation shape nearly every symptom you’re experiencing.

Patricia breaks down the exact labs that cut through the noise — comprehensive blood panels interpreted in context, DUTCH testing to understand hormone metabolism, and GI mapping to uncover hidden infections, leaky gut, and depleted beneficial bacteria.

We also have an honest conversation about HRT.
 Why pellets can backfire.
 Why delivery methods you can control matter.
 And the golden rule: start low, re-test often, and never add hormones to a body that can’t clear them.

You’ll learn how “less is more” prevents overshooting into oestrogen dominance or androgen excess — and how to spot red flags like sudden bloating, wired-and-tired energy, and rapid weight gain.

Then we get practical.

We walk through Patricia’s “flush” protocol: a Mediterranean-leaning plan tailored to your labs, strategic fibre and protein for satiety and hormone clearance, and targeted supplements like magnesium glycinate and key botanicals to calm the adrenals and restore sleep.

We cover smart training shifts during gut repair — pulling back on intensity, prioritising walking and strength training with intention — and why undereating plus overtraining keeps cortisol high and fat loss stalled.

Patricia also shares a powerful 90-day case study: severe oestrogen dominance and gut dysfunction transformed into clear thinking, stable energy, and a leaner, calmer body — without adding hormones.

This is a grounded, empowering roadmap for midlife women:

Know your numbers.
 Sequence the work.
 Personalise the plan.
 Then decide whether HRT is the final polish — not the starting point.

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Transcript

Setting The Stage: Midlife And HRT

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I'm really looking forward to to this conversation. I haven't had anyone I've had like lots of different guests talking about this time of our life, obviously, midlife rebel. Um, but definitely keen to get stuck into like all of the protocols that you recommend talk about um and HRT as well. Like I think there's a lot of confusion around it. Um so yeah, it'd be really great to hear your perspective on that as well. Welcome to the Midlife Rebel Podcast. It's time to rewrite the midlife story for women who refuse to be put in a box. Because maybe midlife isn't a crisis. Maybe it's an awakening. Perimenopause and menopause are one of the hottest topics in midlife. And yet so many women are still confused, frustrated, and second-guessing how to navigate it. They're wondering why am I gaining weight? What's actually happening to my hormones? And do I really need HRT? My guest today is Patricia Hernandez, a functional health and hormone expert who supports women in perimenopause and menopause to heal their bodies naturally and move through this transition with clarity, confidence, and self-trust. Today, Patricia is going to help us unpack hormone chaos in midlife, explain why women can follow all the right rules and still gain weight, and share why truly personalised functional protocols matter at this stage of life. And that is just for starters. Patricia, thank you so much for joining me. I got so many questions. And I think that you're the right person to answer them. It's really good to s to see a woman, a woman in this space, especially when it comes to HRT, which we'll get stuck into um during our conversation. But I hear so many men talking about it, and that kind of makes me dubil.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Wow, let's not even go there. Or shouldn't we? Yeah, let's go there. Well, I think it's like hilarious, but okay, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Do you want to um we yeah, there's a lot for us to talk about, and you're a pro in this space, which is really quite um oh god, I can't think of the word. Um, well, it's great. Do you want to start by um like kick us off with just a little bit of your own story? Because you've got a background in health and fitness, but it kind of changed, didn't it, when you yourself sort of hit midlife?

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Yeah, absolutely. Uh, thank you so much for having me. Uh and uh, you know, I love all the allocates. I I think I'm really good in what I do, but I hate the word expert. You know, I even everybody become an expert nowadays. And uh and that can really throw some people off there. But um the truth is, you know, after you have helped seven up over 700 women, you know, and me myself, I'm 51, right? And I have helped myself. I have walked the walk, you know, and I'm walking the walk. I think that it puts you in a certain category, you know. So I like to speak from a place of not just what I've read or certifications that I have taken, but all the experience, you know, and working with so many women, but also from the experience of working with myself. So that's the place that I like to speak because then you know it can be very relatable instead of just like, this is what I read, this is what the study says, this is you know, I'm not a doctor, you know, to begin with. But at the end of the day, I'm like, and what are the doctors doing to help, anyways? So who cares, you know, if I'm a doctor or not a doctor. And I get so much pushback on my social media from doctors, you know, about the, you know, the blood works that I believe in, or the, you know, Dutch tests that I believe in, or then you don't need this, you don't need that. I was like, of course, you know, you and MD that are going pushback because you have no literature on this in school anyway. So let's just talk about that, right? But, anyways, and you have been responsible for what most of us are going through as well. So I think should we start with a friend? Yes, I think we should start with that. Surely surely I do not care about having the MD, you know, besides my name. So I'm very proud of the work that we have done. Um, I've been on the frenches with not only my clients, but with myself on this. And this is not a joke. You know, this is not a joke. I see women struggling in ways that it's like it's like despicable, you know, even to see how our health system has not been able to help. You know, women suffering tremendously behind closed doors, you know, being labeled as you know, depressed and you know, full of anxiety and this and that, and you are crazy and you're bipolar, and you would. I'm just sick and tired of hearing that, you know. And at the end of the day, we just needed to have a little bit of grace and um sympathy and also the right protocols that helps us to, you know, feel leveled head again, you know, normal again. So I don't take this work lightly because I see not just the devastation that it creates in women's life in terms of their careers, their own self-esteem, their relationship with their husbands, the kids, and so forth, but also, you know, how much the other side of this is so rewarding, you know, to see somebody saying to me, Oh my gosh, I I feel like myself again. Oh my gosh, I got my life back. Oh my gosh, I can't believe you see what I'm saying? So it's not a work that I take lightly at all. And I walk on this myself every day.

System Failures And Women’s Lived Reality

SPEAKER_01 6:10

So yeah, brilliant. I do one of the things that I find challenging in understanding HRT specifically, and I know that your we're gonna talk about that, but that your protocols don't necessarily involve HRT. I but I do want to hear your your um perspective on it all. But all of the things that you've just talked about, and I feel that women might go to their GP and have some of these symptoms and they immediately get prescribed drugs without really understanding what they're being given or why, but just with a promise that they're gonna feel better. Um, so that kind of like to me, that's like a red flag. Like you've got to know what you're doing and why you're doing it, yeah. And you know, what the benefits are and so on, and you've got to understand what's actually going on in your body right now. Another thing that I am really aware of is that there are some really extreme experiences that women have in peramenopause and menopause. But what I find is that any symptoms, because we're told so much about all of these bad things that are gonna happen to us, we get any symptoms and we're like, oh, maybe I need to oh like I've got a little bit of a hot flush, or I'm not sleeping quite as well, or my libido's a bit low. Do I need drugs? And we're questioning it, questioning it, and there's just it just feels like there's a bit of a disconnect. So I'm really looking forward to hearing some of your perspectives on those things.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Yeah, no, I I love that question because there's definitely still a lot of confusion there. Um and I, you know, I would say good um five years ago, you know, I decided to really go all in and become a big advocate for HRT.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Okay.

HRT As A Tool, Not A Default

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Uh because um me just really being in the place with the the women that were coming to me, and they were like, oh my gosh, I can't sleep at all. I am I have like debilitating hot flashes. I, you know, I think I'm losing my mind, you know, I'm extremely angry, and you know, I can't sleep. I'm like, I would be extremely angry too if I couldn't sleep for two nights in a row. Imagine a woman that can't sleep at all, you know, and then I go to the doctor and I just get handed Zolof or you know, an antidepressant medication, right? And that would that happen to me too. And I was just like, is this the answer? You know, that that's it. So um, you know, uh, and I would say that to this day, obviously, I believe that you know HRT is a tool, right? Just like haptids are a tool. You know, there's a lot of things that are tools there on the little toolbox, but I believe in the right time, in the right context with blood work after we have created foundation with your you know liver detoxification pathways, when we know your gut is in a good place, you know, because a lot of those things can be resolved just by really working on the fundamentals of functional nutrition and different protocols. So, fast forward, you know, four years, I would say last year, I started to notice this shift with a lot of women that were coming to me because now everybody is talking about HRT. Every doctor now here in America especially are prescribing, you know, if I have a little bit of hot flesh, here's your, you know, maybe a sweat, here's your patch, right? If we don't have any libido, let's go. Pallates with the testosterone, no test, they know nothing, right? So then these women start taking HRT and they feel better at first, but and then, you know, they start to feel bad again, but now in a different way, right? So now yeah, I I sleep a little bit better, you know. Now I'm uh how can I say I don't have as much of hot flesh, but the weight gain is there, or I have all this constant feeling of you know uneasiness, it's it's it's still don't feel like myself, or I'm constantly bloated, like what's going on here, right? So it doesn't solve. So it became another, you know, led a lot of band-aid. And I start to realize the more that we start working with women with their blood work and we start testing and we start really seeing full panel and really understand, really understand how to read the blood work properly, what one marker is telling us about another marker and really the whole story, opposed to just okay, here's what's happening with your hormone your estrogen and your progesterone, right? There's other things that are going on there that are causing, you know, that imbalance, that it needs to be fixed. So I hate the word fixed because I'm in real needs to be worked before you can go ahead and add estrogen or progesterone and really, you know, keep adding more, you know, drugs on top of it. So I'm I'm I'm always now I'm more in the approach of phases to this thing, right? And primarily I always see that the gut is it's always going back to the gut. I just had a call with before we talked, and um, you know, she is on um testosterone, protecting she's on all three. But then when we were looking at the blood markers, she has huge high inflammation markers. I'm talking about like 250 when she's supposed to be around 70, so just in the inflammation marker, right? Then we look at her gut markers, and it was supposed to be 50, she was like at 68%. Then we will look into, I was just like, okay, girl, your body can't even process all this. And in just 90 days, she went from I can't remember the number right now for the testosterone, but like her numbers for testosterone tripled, right? So now you see what I'm saying. So then there's other things that are coming because of the high testosterone. Well, I feel a little bit better, you know. My mind is a little bit more alert, I don't have more of brain fog, but I just gained 10 pounds in the last six months. Like, hello, you know. So see what I'm saying? So it's just like people are just throwing things once again, right? Without really looking at the whole picture, right? And figuring out, you know, even like estrogen, now she is estrogen dominant. Why? Right? So, oh, her liver detoxification, her liver markers is not in a good place. So we know she has a sluggish liver. So now hormones will not metabolize properly on her liver and it's going to be recirculating in her body. And now I have this woman that had no estrogen, you know, to become estrogen dominant, and now more bloatiness affect more gut, more gut health. So it just becomes this whole mass. And I'm just like, your body can't take this anymore, girl. I mean, seriously, you know, it's going to break down on you and is already breaking down on you. So you feel good in a certain way, but you're creating all the problems.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Well, I'm all about, you know, did you test?

unknown 14:17

Yeah.

Testing First: Bloods, DUTCH, GI Map

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Did you look at the whole thing? Right. And and that's one of the pushbacks that I receive on social media from the doctors. You know, it's like, well, we don't need to be chasing hormones. We need to be chasing, you know, doing blood mark, doing blood tests. And uh, no, we do. We do. I wouldn't put anything in my body without really testing, without really knowing where I'm at, how much I need. And if I don't need and why would you put somebody that has, you know, a high dose of testosterone to begin with, right? Like if you're gonna do go in the direction, why not start with a small little dose and test it every eight weeks and see what is it doing? Because it takes time for those things to catch up instead of you know, so there is it's very discombobulated. You know, it's done in a way that it's it's causing harm again. So before nobody was doing anything, now everybody's just giving it all, right? But once again, without looking at the full picture. So, you know, I I can continue going if you want to, you know, asking questions and reviewing that. But but my approach now is no, we we will do lab lab work first, yeah. We would do the Dutch, we will do the GI map, we will do the whole thing. We will be guessing here, we will look and exact what exactly is taking place, and then we're gonna put the protocols to address each category individually, because most likely if it is a gut issue, if it's not adrenal issue, or if it's not you know a liver issue, like mostly it's gonna be the gut first, right? Then we can address there with a functional protocol. I have a registered dietitian in the program who is a hormone specialist, and she has been doing this for 15 years, and she's a fantastic girl. I have a functional nutritionist, we have a you know a collaboration with an HRT clinic, and they I love their approach as well. They're all about less is more, but they normally will take our recommendations. You know, we when we send them to the clinic, we're like, okay, this is the whole picture of what's happening with this person. This is exactly what we've already done with this person, this is what we would like to see happening for her. What do what do you think? And then they have a consultation, and then they will tell us, you know, this is what we're gonna do. Uh, maybe we're gonna start with a small dose of this, maybe just one instead of all three. You see what I'm saying? So yeah, it's all about like less is more. Let's first go into the functional first and then see what it means. If we need to bring some extra tools after, you know, if you if you want to continue being more optimized, if you will. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Can you talk a bit about um, yeah, I guess that's one of my concerns is that when the the women I talk to and that the protocols may be different in the US to Australia, but and actually I've spoken to friends in the UK as well. Um, but yeah, it generally seems that you go to the doctor and they and you they go, oh well, you're this age and you're experiencing this thing, and so you take this. But mostly the women that I speak to, like I have a friend who said, I don't know what it is, but I know it makes me feel better. And they're the other ones, they they don't know what they've been given. They don't even know whether it's because of progesterone, um, estrogen or testosterone, which are three hormones that can all go out of balance. Yeah. They're going through perimenopause and menopause. So yeah, that's a worry. And what you're saying and what you're saying is that they're basically throwing shit at the wall. And like if you will let them go, I mean if you go to if you go to the the doctor and and you go and you say, I've got these things, and they go, Well, try this, and then that doesn't work. People sometimes do feel worse or they do get weight gain, or and so they go, Oh, that's unusual. Try this instead. And it's just like throw that other piece of shit at the wall until you get something that might stick. It's supposed to be spaghetti, isn't it? Not shit.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Yeah. I just had a call with her right now, and she sent the blood work and the team took a look, and I was we were like, Okay, why we don't have the full hormone panel here, right? If this is the same doctor that prescribed all of this and and we only have the testosterone when she's the other two as well, and we couldn't have a full picture. But surely, you know, don't you see that both of her testosterone and you know, the the fruit testosterone and the total uh extremely high. Why haven't you adjusted these numbers? Why haven't you seen it's just this number on the dosage? And why didn't she she got put on those high dosage so fast? And 90 days it just jumped from zero to 100 like this, right? So then she's like, but I feel better. It was like, you feel better. It's been only 90 days. This is not gonna go well if it keeps, you know, like just going on the direction, especially when we already see, you know, a little bit of detoxification that it's not optimal. So once again, I am not against, I'm against in how it's being done.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Against of you know, some women to be specific and optimized for each individual rather than little by little and testing and seeing how your body's gonna respond. I just I you know that's the part that you know just drives me crazy. Yeah, you know, there are some women that come to me, you know, they already are estrogen dominant and they still on the patch. Why? Why are you doing that? Like, why are you still needing to be like, can we minimize this? So I think it's it's the follow-up.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

It's the beginning, right? Of like, okay, let's first personalize this for you. That's number one. And number two is the follow-up, right? Let me track this with you, let me see how this is responding, let me see. So you don't come to a point that everything now is through the roof, and it will take a whole different ball game to bring things back to normal. So it's once again, it's just going back to it, just became a mess. And um, normally the people that are coming to work with me, they are they are a mess. So the bomb explodes in my hand, and I'm like, okay, girl, this is a reality here. Okay, not gonna take 90 days to fix this, to get you in place. You're gonna have to probably stop taking this, stop and take that. Let's just go full-blown, you know, with functional nutrition, some herbs, some things that are going to help you clean things up first. Then we can think about HRT later. But right now, we need to get off of all of this and let's see what's gonna happen. And we have clients that have felt much, much better, you know. And once again, I'm not making decisions on my own. I have a team uh that are by that uh, you know, they they we go together into this to make those decisions. So we talk to them, and they you know, I'm like, okay, at the end of the day, it's your choice, but this is what we are seeing. Uh, go ahead and talk to your doctor. But you know, the same way that you make a decision to take, you can make a decision not to take. Go on a different route and see what's gonna happen, you know.

Gut, Liver, Inflammation: The Hidden Drivers

SPEAKER_01 21:30

So there's a whole lot of things going on, and this could be a continuation of stuff that's been going on um in the body prior to reaching perimenopause and menopause, right? So and I guess that when we reach that stage of life, the body starts to say something's gonna give, and we start to see those things showing up more. Or some women I would guess have had bad experiences with uh their menstrual cycle leading up to perimenopause.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Um, and yeah, this is just like all of the things start start coming undone.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah, I like to say that you know, whatever was ha you were experiencing pre menopause, it's just going to enhance when we heat perimenopause and menopause, right? So it's just going to, if you were if you always walked more and a little bit of ancient side, you're gonna probably experience way more anxiety.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Now because of the decline of. Progesterone, right? If you already was somebody too sexual, you know, then let's not blame, you know, you already not like that, you know. So it's not like I'm gonna shoot a bunch of testosterone and think is gonna come from that, right? So there is, you know what I'm saying? There are other things that so I I don't like to blame hormones until we look into what's actually going on. Correct. Oh, because you know, something else is happening, yeah, but you have been you know living off of cortisol for how many years before we got here, right? So that's all your body understands. So there is all those things we need to bring into the picture.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about each of the different hormones, the three hormones, estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone, and some of the things that might kind of flag that there is an imbalance? Because again, I think that women need to understand a bit better like what it what it is that's going on for them and and why it might be happening, like what's going on with each other.

Personalising Dose And Form, Not Pellets

SPEAKER_00 23:45

I I like to talk like I'm talking to an eight-year-old, and I like to always bring on because I've tried all this stuff. So for me, I also have this feeling, like a perfect example of this would be with testosterone, right? Um, I was lifting super heavy, you know, always been, you know, into weight training and all of that. But and then I hit like about 46, and no matter how heavy I trained, it didn't matter. I girl, I could go like 250 pounds on a hip thrust, okay? I gained not even an inch on my glute, okay? And I'm now lifting like crazy, right? And um did my blood work and my testosterone was low, and I was just like now, but I don't want to be taking anything, I just want to keep everything natural, blah, blah, blah. You know, so this is an example of when things are important, okay, and right timing. Well, I have two choices at that moment, okay. Either I accept that that's where I'm gonna be in terms of body composition. Okay, now I'm just training for health, not just to change my body and look like a certain, you know, have a certain technique that I would like to have when I was younger. Okay. So that's choice number one. And also understand that I can't push that heavy if I don't have enough androgens to generate to support building that muscle. Okay. So that's choice number one. Choice number two is okay, I'm gonna play with a little bit of testosterone, a small dose, and see, okay, if it's gonna help me. So I don't actually have to lift as much weight, okay? But it's to have some hormone, some uh muscle growth there. And uh also support, you know, with the whole sarcopinion. I don't want to be losing muscle. I'm very small, frail. So I my mom became literally bone, you know. And I'm like, I do not want it to be that small, that tiny, that fragile. So I was like, I can't push my strength training this way anymore because when you do that and you don't have the hormones to support, okay, you are going to downregulate your hormones further. Because now I'm putting way too much pressure and stress on the body to create something that it can't, it doesn't have the juices there to give it to me. Okay, so we need testosterone, we need alpha androgens, you know, to build muscle. It's not just something that happens just by me lifting weight. If I don't have the juices, right, I call it like the test this the things that helps engineer that muscle, it won't grow. Simple as that. So I started with a little bit, okay, and I saw the change in terms of body composition. Well, that little bit became a lot of bit, okay. Now I am in the place that I'm starting to feel too edgy.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Uh-huh. From the testosterone.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Correct. Like now I'm too edgy, now I'm too snappy, uh-huh. Right. Because now, you know, it took time to get there. Okay. But it starts to put me in the place that, you know, brain fog was gone, which was great, but now I feel like this wired.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Okay. And that's, you know, I start to see hair falling, right? Like they created that a little of the man bald spot there, right? Yeah. So, okay. I'm like, okay, this is now affecting me in a negative way.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Right. So now I need to do what? I need you to back down from this, right? And see, kind of like reset. Let's see again. If I stay off of this for a while, what's I gonna do? Right? Is that going to do am I going to lose my muscle mass that I just put it in? See what I'm saying? So you you still want to scat 22 because I want muscle.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Not just for my hysteric, right? My my physique, but because it's important, it's the most important asset that we have in our body, right? Especially as we age. See what I'm saying? So you're constantly having to make those decisions there. Okay. So then I'm like, okay, let me back off from this for a while. Let me just see what's gonna happen. Because maybe how it affected me to have a solo before, it won't affect me anymore right now.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Does that make sense? And now I can start working with eating foods that are going to support testosterone. It's going, you see what I'm saying? So there's all those things that I can play with and test. Well, I don't know if that's answered your question, but I'm just I like to give examples. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Another thing is estrogen. For example, estrogen is something that everybody talks about, how you know it is protective. It's something that we need as we age, it's going to support, you know, as against Alzheimer's and I can against this and against that. Okay, awesome. Well, guess what? My testosterone, okay, metabolizes into estrogen. Oh, so I don't need to take estrogen. My estrogen is actually normally running running pretty high. Okay. So I have I became estrogen dominant dominant twice already. So without taking, and I'm 51. Okay. So but I have had many nights that I wake up soaked.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Right.

Understanding Oestrogen, Progesterone, Testosterone

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Okay. But if I go to a doctor and I tell the doctor that I'm having night sweats, they're gonna do what? You need estrogen patch. Right? And I've seen that. And I'm like, no, I do not need estrogen patch because my estrogen normally runs high. And even if it's not that high right now, most likely I'll have a spike and it will put me in an estrogen dominance. And that estrogen dominance can be hell on earth for women. I'm talking about vertigo. Every time my estrogen goes bananas like that, I have a debilitating vertigo. I have more gut problems. I'm talking about, you know, H. pylor just just goes wild. Uh, there are other things that happen for me, and I have seen other women happening as well, including obviously all that bloatiness, you know, that that that that comes with high estrogen. So, yes, symptoms are a telltale of something, but it are really. Do you see what I'm saying? So that's why you understand how your body responds to hormones, you are not, and a lot of women are so out of touch of what's happening with that. Just because I have night sweats, do I do, do I need estrogen? See, if I would have put estrogen on my body, knowing that that's the pattern that has been going on since I was 42, because I test pretty often, right? Now I recognize when my estrogen is high. I don't even need to test, I test it every time, but it's like just to confirm ha, ha ha, I knew I was estrogen ominant. Make sense? Yeah, so that that's I think once again, going back to how important it is. The same thing is progesterone. Okay. Well, let's go with progesterone. I start to feel that anxiety coming. I've never been somebody that had anxiety, that little one time I felt like this sadness was starting to kick in in out of nowhere, my life is great. Sure enough, you know, if the estrogen is high, most likely progesterone is going to be low. That's why we know that progesterone is dominant. Estrogen is dominant. So, okay, I don't want to feel this way. Let me test a little bit. 75, you know, milligrams, 0.75 milligrams of progesterone. Okay, I'm talking about biordenical. Okay. And uh start feeling great, sleeping better. Not that I had any problem with sleep, but it just helped. Just you can see that you sleep a little bit deeper.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Anxiety gone, right? That said, and it's gone. Amazing, love that. Well, time goes by. Now I'm having a hard time to wake up in the morning with energy. I'm feeling more drowsy in the morning. See what I'm saying? So I'm like, oh my god, okay, do I really need this thing? See, unfortunately, I would I wish I could tell you it's one size fits all. This is the work you're gonna go on right now, and it's gonna last, and it's gonna be beautiful, and you're never gonna have to make any changes on anything, or your nutrition is gonna be just this, you don't have to, and it's not because of the imbalances that happen with the absent flow. Things are going to constantly keep shifting. Some seasons I may need some help, some seasons I probably won't need any help. Right? So, for me, that's why it's so important to constantly check every 90 days, depending on what I'm taking now, or if I'm not taking anything every six months, I'm paying attention to my symptoms, I'm paying attention to my body composition. Am I losing muscle? Am I gaining? Does that make sense? Yeah, so it's that constantly, you know, until we are done, right? When this thing is over, because I have a lot of clients that are post-menopause, and they will, those are the easiest to work with.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

In what way?

SPEAKER_00 33:05

In a way that there is no more the fluctuation.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Uh I was gonna ask you about that.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Like, this is what it is. Yeah, there's no fluctuation. Now I can work with this. Do you have symptoms? No, okay. Do you look do you feel good on your body and in how you were putting muscle? Yes, okay. So let's just make sure that we are working with the nutrition and a strength and train because what throws things off is all the imbalance.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

The imbalance, it's what creates this whole havoc. But once things are more stable, just like when we were more stable in terms of, of course, we always have those cycles happening, but you see what I mean? Like when we are younger, we don't have those crazy fluctuations. So then life is much easier, right? Does that make sense what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah, absolutely. It's fantastic. It's such so so good to hear all of this and like you make it very clear. I was gonna ask you about that, uh, the the HRT thing, and well, a couple of questions, and you've kind of answered them by and I was gonna ask you, do we have to be on it for life? Or is it to get us through to get us through the the negative experiences? And really the choice that you make with that, as you um pointed out with the testosterone, was really um like a decision you made based on your goals. Mm-hmm. And also like some health-related um yeah, choices related to your health and like not wanting to lose muscle. We know how important that is for bone density and metabolism. Um you mentioned progesterone and bioidentical hormones. When when it comes to bioidentical hormones, what's the difference with that and other HRT? And is by are the bioidential hormones specifically progesterone?

SPEAKER_00 34:57

Um, you know, obviously, once again, I'm not a doctor, right? So I don't understand all the nuances of them comes with like 100%. The one thing I know for a fact is that the bioidentical, it's created from yams, right? So that is you know, it's more that we would call it natural, but at the end of the day, let's just do it. It's too being created in the lab. Yes. Okay. So now I think the better question here is what is the best form in terms of that you that you should be taking? For example, you know, pallets for testosterone. It's something that my team is a big no-no.

unknown 35:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

What does that mean? Pallettes? Pallets, it's just you know, they put an incision in your oh right. And then they will be high. It's like a slow release. Is it slow release correct? Uh my team and the people that I work with, we do not believe that. I have seen like horror stories with that because I'm one that, you know, I believe that if I'm gonna take anything, I wanted to have control of how much.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

Yes.

Seasons, Symptoms, And Re-Testing

SPEAKER_00 36:09

So, yes, they say, you know, once again, it's FDA approved, and you know, there's all this this technology behind it, blah, blah, blah. Yes, but what if it's a fluke and this thing is now releasing tons of testosterone of my body at this, you know, in a much faster way.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Yeah, you can't control it.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

I can't control that. I can't take that thing out. Okay, you need to just you need to let it, you know, wear off. So I had a client, perfect example. You know, she went to the doctor, and that's the thing here in America, right? You you know, if you want to use insurance, you would not be able to do injections, which would be controllable. You wouldn't be able to do the trokey, which is kind of like a little, you know, pill, wax pill that you put under your tongue. Uh-huh. So you can control that, right? So it and the insurance won't cover that, it will only cover the the palate.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

So now she was feeling very low energy, a lot of brain fog, all those things. Her estrogen wasn't in a bad place. So, okay, we want to go with testosterone. So they decide to put on testosterone. First 90 days, she was, woohoo! Life is amazing. I have all this energy, brain fog is gone, sex is great, let's go, right? Then six months, let's go. Every time I have my, you know, my new my new palettes, I feel fantastic. Then a year later, okay, it caught up to her. Now she just went to the doctor, took her pellets dosage, and she couldn't sleep for two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

She was so wired, she was just like, this whole thing, Patricia, just turns into a flipping nightmare. She couldn't sleep for the life of her, couldn't eat. And it was right after she took her dosage. So we tested her blood work. Sure enough, you know, her testosterone was through the roof. And now there was nothing, there is nothing you can do at that point. Okay, you just need to let things go and trust that it's going to be, you know, wearing off as you go. But here's this girl, you know, two to three weeks like a zombie, couldn't work, couldn't function, couldn't do anything. Right. Now, if she was taking a troche under her tongue, under her tongue, or maybe an injection, she could just have stopped.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

And it's safe to just stop when you're doing that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

And then you you stop and you wait, you know, a good four weeks and you see what's what is that test it again? Okay. And see, okay, maybe now I go back to, or you just cut the dosage. Right? So so you can control things. I like that. Opposed to do I go to the synthetic route. I mean, both are synthetic. One is more natural than the other, but it's both, you know, and now in America, it's they're bioidentical. It's very um supported even by the FDA. So we have the progesterone that comes bioidentical. You know, everybody's recommending the patch here as well, opposed to the injection or the gels or whatnot, so that everyone that I talk to, they are on the patch. But once again, the patch, you can just remove the patch.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yeah.

Post-Menopause: Stability And Strategy

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Right? So I like to have control. I I don't like to give power to, you know, a doctor's decision for everything. For the I need to know how my body feels. And you know, when things are off, I don't have the luxury to just text you, the doctor, and say, hey, this is what's happening. Can you please get me in in 24 hours? It doesn't work that way. Right? So if you can be in control, and I always say this become an advocate for yourself. You gotta study this stuff, you gotta go after, you know, understanding what this does, what it doesn't do, you know, when is the right time, when is not when you actually don't need so there's so much nuances to this. And it's just like you pay for a health insurance or you pay for your copay, whatever, you have to have some kind of you know, budget for you to work with a functional team, for you to work with, you know, a health coach, somebody that can have a closer eye on what's happening with you in terms of biofeedback. Instead of just like, oh, you know, this is this is important, but my insurance covers, but if your insurance is just covering the minimum, and there is no follow-up and there is no personalization, everything's just very cookie-cutter. Here we go, like we talked about. So I think this whole thing, this whole chaos plays in both sides, yeah, you know, the political system, but also the women not really putting the work and the time to test things and play with themselves, but have you know, invest in a coach that could guide them through the process. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. What was I gonna ask? What else came up when you were talking then? Can't remember. Lots of things, but it's so good, I love it. Um let's talk a little bit about the approach that you take when you're not using hormones like this. It's so specific, I love it. Because oh, I know what I was gonna ask. When you've done someone's blood panel and you've determined that maybe they're low in testosterone or high in estrogen or um, do you provide those medications or do they then have to go to their doctor to get those things prescribed?

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Yeah. So we have a collaboration with an HRT clinic.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Okay.

Bioidenticals, Delivery Methods, And Control

SPEAKER_00 41:33

And we have a registered dietitian in the program, a nurse nurse practitioner, and she is really amazing when it comes to hormones and all this kind of things. But is she more on the you know, non how can I say HRT side of things? Because she's a registered dietitian. So that's the reason why I have her in the program, because I don't believe that it's one size fits all, like we talked about, right? And I also saw I also find that the nutrition part of this is key. Just for the fact that, and we know this, but just for the fact that hormones are created in the gut and metabolized in the liver. Okay, that alone, okay, it's already the answer for, like I said, 70% of the foundation of what this needs to be. Okay, so there's so much can be done with nutrition and supplements, some herbs, some supplements that really supports, okay, like you know, magnesium glycinate for you know, for before you go to sleep, that could support, you know, if you're not sleeping well. I've seen so many women that it didn't need to have progesterone, right? That just by working with stress management, working on their adrenal system, lymphatic system through different protocols, like more in the holistic style, we already seen in a great, great improvement that they didn't need necessarily to go on a progesterone, right? So, but if somebody comes to a point that we have done the protocols, we have a protocol that we call the flush protocol. That the the primary the primary role of the flush protocol, which is created from, you know, with a how can I say a uh a meal plan, okay, that is created by the dietitian. After we get the blood work results and we look into everything, then we know what kind of the foods we need to pair up on that meal plan to support, improve those blood markers. Then there are certain supplements, certain, you know, and I don't sell supplements, I've been always against all this kind of stuff, but trust me, supplements can do wonders if you know which one to choose, what quality, herbs, all those things. And you implement those together. It supports, you know, liver detoxification, it supports improving your gut microbiome, which is the main thing that we want to work on, that flush protocol. It supports boost your metabolism because most women are coming to eat, come to work with us, they are undereating. So metabolism is super slow. So, you know, you you are eating a high amount of calories on that flush. You're drinking a lot of water, of course, to support things. Um, but it's primarily put together by you know the Mediterranean diet, and we work with that, which works wonders for women with hormone imbalance. Um, it supports bad cholesterol, but balanced blood sugar, and that's all done through nutrition and some supplements. Okay, so that is what has been. D game changer in the program for any woman that comes to work with us. It just supports to, it's almost like a reset that it happens in the body in terms of, like I said, the microbial microbiome starts to shift in a good three days. You start to flush out, you know, toxins from your liver, and your body just starts to actually absorb the nutrients and the things that we are eating that are cleans. How many women are coming to me? They are eating clean, they are trying off things, and the body's still not absorbing things properly. So they are deficient in mineral, deficient in nutrients, because the gut is just not processing things. They have a leaky gut, they have this, they have that. So there's a lot of things going on there in the gut again. So the flush protocol really helps with that. And then after that, we are now waiting for any other results that are coming from the GI map to see if there is a need to do a gut protocol. And once all done through functional nutrition, some herbs, some things to work, you know, with that. Then after we do all of that, okay, then we are like, okay, let's test again, see what happened. But now they are sleeping better, they are not having as many hot flashes. They, you know, the whole brain fog is gone. I had a collector that she was like, What is this voodoo thing, girl? Like, you know, I had so much brain fog and now it's gone. And she was not in any any HRT, literally just doing all everything with nutrition. So I don't know, I kind of like got lost in your question there, but we primarily work with them functionally. We work with them, the foundation that's one-on-one. And I tell them, even if they later go on HRT, this never changes, right? Here, this foundation has to stay for the rest of your life. This is what supports everything else to work in case you want to add something else later, maybe a peptide, maybe, because now we are in the world of peptide, like you know, the BPC157, the TB500 for your gut, or if you want to something like a testomeral and whatever, all those peptides that are that are coming that people are starting to talk about. There is a place and a time for this, but this is not the beginning of it.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Right.

Foundations First: Food, Sleep, Stress

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Yeah, later, right? So then to answer your question, if you know the team looks into everything and see the health assessment, and if she, okay, girl, I'm still like my vagina is dry, right? Like I too whatever. Like, let's just say that the nutrition alone is not supporting. Okay, let's send you to the clinic. You're gonna have a free consultation with them because they are partners with us, and now they are going to address with you and prescribe for you if you want to work with HRT or add an out.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

So that is like the collaboration that I do. Like I can't prescribe any of this, but we normally will give them a referral and we will tell them this is what we recommend. But obviously, you the doctor, so you make a decision with your with the patient. Just let me know what you guys decided to do so I can add on a protocol.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

So, how does that work for for um clients overseas? Do you have clients overseas or is does this have to be sort of in-person, face-to-face?

SPEAKER_00 47:46

No, no, we I my work is 100% online. That's how I got in during COVID. So it came at the right time. Um, I have clients all over the world in Australia. I have clients in the UK, I have clients in Canada. The only thing we can do, obviously, we facilitate things for you. So obviously, the nutrition, the training, all of that, the protocols, these are, you know, even the supplements, we can figure out what supplements we can find in your country. So those all the functional parts, it's 100% we can do with you. The only part that we won't be able to do with you, obviously, is going to be the more the blood work. You know, you in a different country, and we won't be able to obviously prescribe any HRT, the clinic won't be able to because you're not in America. But the way around that is, you know, we will give you the list of the blood work that you need to get it done. Yep. The blood work is normally normally included in my program. So then I'll just refund you, uh-huh. You know, so you can go get it done there. So if you don't have a doctor that it wants to do, then you can find it a labor. Yeah. Then I'll refund you because that would be included on the program. Or let's say your doctor would be able to get that list and get that blood work done for you. Then the option is I can send you a Dutch test from here. Okay. And the Dutch test is a fantastic hormone test as well. It's a urine test. Yeah. And we can ship out to a different country and then they ship back to us, and then they will send us the results. So those are the options or the GI map as well. If we really want to work with your gut, we can ship out the GI map for you. Can you ship it back? So then we can then put the protocols in place. And of course, if you would need HRT, you're gonna have to, you know, find a clinic there. Once again, probably out of pocket. Or, you know, you can have a conversation with our team and they can at least tell you, hey, you know, if you find a doctor there, this is what we would recommend in terms of a dosage, then the clinical would tell you what that would be, and then you're trying to find a doctor that to prescribe for you. So that's kind of like the way we could become a bridge, yeah, right? Yeah, we just can't prescribe, you know, because the clinic doesn't have a license in other countries.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

Yeah, cool. Before we kind of getting close to the end of our conversation, and I went onto your Instagram uh account and saw that you actually had um what should we call it, a body transformation it last year. So I'm really curious. I'm really curious that I mean, I think this is a perfect example. You've been living and breathing this work for nearly 10 years, but you still are working on it, and I think that that's a really important um message. Can you kind of take us through that journey? Like what happened? What you're obviously really on top of what's going on in your body, but still you came to a point where your hormones were out of balance and yeah, yeah, your body was changing. I love that. Yeah, what did you do?

The Flush Protocol And Microbiome Reset

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Pyramidal pause, you know, has no respect if you are a coach, if you were you are, you know, when it decides to shift, it will shift. Um, the difference now is that because of the experience that I have and the team that I have, I was able to shift in 90 days, which is you know incredible to think about that. First time I had that kind of a hormone imbalance, I was I was off for like a good year or so because I didn't know, I didn't have the answers. That's really what was what birthed me into you know going into this whole field of permanent pause and whatnot 10 years ago, almost nine years ago. So what happened was um, you know, stress is uh it's not a joke. Stress is gonna be one of those things that can really throw everything off when it comes to hormones. Um, so I think I just had the perfect uh storm, if you will. Um I was I was getting married, I had two weddings, one in Brazil, that's where I'm from, and one here. Then there's some other personal things that was taking place at the same time. Um, I was putting everything together, you know, very smart, right? I didn't hire, you know, in a w a wedding coordinator because I was thinking that I was just going to do something very small here, very small in Brazil, but God, it was crazy. Um, then I noticed that my gut was starting to feel off because my gut is always my sign. And I didn't know exactly what was going on. Then um, you know, I started to have episodes of episodes of vertigo. And for me, that was like, okay, I know um I'm estrogen dominant, so I did my blood work. And unfortunately, you know, when it comes to the blood work, if you are still cycling, which I do every month, it's been religiously. So quite regular still. Yeah, you gotta wait a certain date to do your blood work. So that's fine. And now I'm feeling awful and waiting for me to do this blood work so I can get the right range of you know of the markers. So, long story short, I find I did I finally did the blood work, I finally did the GI map, and I had leaky gut, I had low bacteria, and then I had uh low of the good bacteria, and then I had uh estrogen dominance. My my estrogen went through the roof. My I'm talking about like 300 something, and then my progesterone was really, really low, so it threw everything off, and I gained 10 pounds in 30 days, and it was just like this water retention. I couldn't work out, I had a valley that I was like, what in the heck is this? So acne, you know, I had a bunch of acne breaking out, and I was like, wow, nice wedding gift, you know. Uh it was awful because I couldn't wear my beautiful dress. I had to buy a bigger dress and all that thing. It was pretty bad. Brain fog was intense, I couldn't think straight. It was just really, really messy. So the first thing I did was uh I did an estrogen detoxification protocol, once again, done through nutrition and some herbs. So that was step number one. I had to work on flushing that out as much as I could, you know. Then we're talking about even lotions and potions and perfumes and anything that would support me, you know, getting rid of that and detoxify the estrogen. So we did that. Then we went into a gut protocol to support with the leaky gut, to support, you know, with the low good bacteria. And in time, there is no hormones in the picture because I don't need hormones at that point. It's an imbalance, right? So what is imbalance? Now I gotta work with that. Um then as soon as I did the detoxification for the estrogen and the gut protocol, that was it. The weight just came off. Okay, my body leaned out again. Um, and um, then I went and I introduced some peptides, BPC157, TB, you know, 500, and that was the support to heal, finish the healing process of my gut. And um, and that was it. In 90 days, hormone came back to normal again. Now without adding anything, just like pretty much just balancing with nutrition. And I stopped training to avoid all the high cortisol, if you will, just start walking more because the gut needs to heal. If you are in the process of doing any gut protocol, you need to stay away from strength training or card or anything like that. The gut needs to because it adds stress to the to the gut. So, but you know, just by going all in, you know, in my own protocols, in 90 days I will I was out of that mass, but not only I was out, my body composition, you know, came back, and that was it. You know, it was really an imbalance that it took place, the the acne cleared out, and um, and I'm feeling fantastic again. It's just amazing to see how fast we were able to get everything back.

Global Clients And Collaborative Care

SPEAKER_01 56:09

Yeah, very cool. Do you attribute that experience um with your estrogen, you know, kicking in? Do you do you attribute that a lot to stress?

SPEAKER_00 56:22

I would have to say that it's definitely a big part of it. I can't just say that it was, but it could be one of the contributing factor, absolutely. Um like I said, the perfect storm and just one biological hormone imbalance plus a stress. Yeah. And I think that you know, because of the stress that was so intense, it just made the shift way acute, if you will, way higher. So the symptoms came like full force because I had other things that were adding to that imbalance. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 57:07

Yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 57:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

As we come to the close of our conversation, which I've loved, thank you so much for sharing all your wisdom. Is there anything that you would say as uh advice or recommendation or like final words wisdom to women who are in this uh experience?

A 90-Day Turnaround: Patricia’s Case

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Um, yeah, I would say don't listen to your doctor. I I would say go. Yeah, I guess for me, take to your doctor and tell your doctor what you want. Yes, exactly. I know some of them are pretty happy to do that. Um I I'm gonna say this is stop justifying, you know, finding justifications for this, either way, in terms of either, oh my gosh, something is wrong with me. You know, uh this, you know, I don't know, I'm trying everything and it's still not working, and but I'm still maybe some of them are you know justifying, I'm I'm too young to be pyramidopause when you're talking about blah blah blah. You know, it's just life. I'm just too stressed, anyways, right? I I find that women just either justify and don't want to really go there, maybe because they still think that they are too young, or the doctors told them they that this is normal, uh and that they just accept that when they could make some shifts and things, you know, get some help and things would just normalize. Okay, um stop beating yourself, you know, to the ground in terms of like you every time something doesn't go the way you think it should, and now you want to work out. Now you're working out seven days a week, you know, plus 10,000 steps, you're cutting all your carbs, you know, you go extreme once again, right? And you in in the the telltale sign is if you're doing that and you're gaining, stop. That's not you're actually putting more log on that fire. Okay, stop. So you gotta stop the bleeding, right? If I shift to something and I'm like, okay, but it but Patricia, you know, I know I just need to clean a little bit harder, cut all the sugar, cut up all the gluten, cut all this, cut it, cut, cut, and then what you have no life, right? Yeah, and and it's too that is that it's too working. Is that working for you? How is that working out? No, it's not okay. Stop the bleeding. Okay. Another thing is you ladies stay in this place of like, I I it needs to get really bad before I go get help. The longer you wait, the worse it's it gets. It does not get any better. It doesn't, unfortunately. I see, you know, I I work with a VIR, right? The numbers go between like 37 all the way to 60 in my program. And I see the difference between women that are coming to us at 40, 42, just beginning of the symptoms, beginning of the little red flags, right? But if we jump and we work with the the just the nutrition and the training properly, I'm not talking about no carbs and more protein and this. No, everything has to be personalized for you. Amazing. Everything starts to respond. Then we have the ones that come to me and they're like 48. And I always say between zero to 10, they scale, you know, in terms of how bad things are. When they come to me around 45, 48, they already are sad on the night scale. Now I gotta do more protocols. Now that's when you're probably gonna need to start playing with a little bit of HRT or something. Then you come to me at 52 and you are complete wreck. Now it's gonna take you a good year to two years to reverse this case, just with biologically speaking, just with your hormone, just with your nutrition, just with your gut. Now there's so many issues. Now you have high cholesterol and high blood pressure, and you have probably pre-diabetic or diabetic, you have so many things going on because you just kept waiting, ignoring it, and just justifying. Oh, justifying. I'm just so confused, I'm just so confused. You know what stops confusion when you take action, you know, like you're getting so much information. I don't know what you want. Girl, do like you do if you would buy a house, okay? Find five different programs, okay? Do an interview with each coach, do your research, and then make a decision. But what if I get burned out? Well, did you ever buy a house that had mold and you didn't know? Right? Did you ever buy something that was broken, you didn't know? It's not gonna be perfect, but in anything, you're gonna learn something. But if you do your due diligence, you find you know a coach that has good reviews, go check their page, go see what people are saying about them, go see if they have like real live people talking about them, not just something that was written, right? Right, look at the legitimacy of that coach and see if you can make a decision to get help. If you stay stuck, honestly, it's because you want to stay stuck. You know, and the other thing I'm gonna say is this information is everywhere. You do not need to pay anybody to give you information. All this information I'm giving you right here with Nadine is free. You can get on Chat GPT Girl, you get everything for free. Okay, you don't pay for information, you pay for implementation with the right timing, with the right personalization, and with somebody that knows how to implement the information. You can have all the information if you don't know how to implement with the proper time, you're just spinning your wheels. It's a problem, right? So you're paying for implementation. So find someone. But if you at the end of the your rope and you're like, I don't want to, I don't care, I already paid, I don't want to pay, I just I just want to then I'm gonna tell you this don't cut everything. Okay, if you want to cut anything, alcohol. Okay, if there's one thing you want to cut, cut alcohol, cut your stress down and focused on eating balanced nutrition. I'm not talking about the 80-20 rule, I'm talking about 90-10. You gotta go Whole Foods, girl. You gotta get that fiber in, you gotta get the complex carbs in, you gotta get the protein in, you gotta do a strength training. That's the minimum. I don't know what else to tell you, but you're gonna have to invest in yourself, be kind of advocate, learn this, and just do the work.

Stress As A Catalyst For Hormone Chaos

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

Love it, so good, thank you so much. And I I think that your message is is so clear, it's like we're starting in the wrong place, we're starting with the hormone replacement first, and that's the last port of call. Like, check all of the other boxes, get an understanding of what is actually happening in your body. You can manage a lot of it with nutrition, lifestyle, coaching, yeah, and maybe you'll not even need HRT.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:57

You may not even need fluorescent, or maybe you need why you need to have continuation.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

Yes, yeah, and yeah, take taking responsibility for this experience. Yeah, I feel like your work is so empowering for women who feel lost in this time of their life, who don't think that they're doing the right thing when their doctor tells them to prescribe, you know, to take HRT. Um but yeah, ultimately taking back control of your own experience is um something that you're supporting women to do. Amazing, love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Yeah, that's it right there. You summarized properly. I like to empower people to make their own decisions, yeah. You know, and uh test it out. Yeah, you know, but don't be blind, you know, and like you said, take full ownership of this journey. Nobody's gonna come and save your girl. You're gonna have to learn yourself, but there is help there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:58

Love it, brilliant. Thank you so much for joining me. I've it's such an insightful conversation. I really appreciate the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

I appreciate your time tuned, Dean. If you need anything, just let me know.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:07

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