BONUS: Is AI the Devil? Doom Hole #5

If you're like Jenn and Jesse, then you mostly try to avoid the news. But, if you want to dip a toe, then doom holes might be the way. We skim over the daily AI headlines with humor and love and sometimes a bit of anxiety, but always end with ways to feel better about the state of the world. 

This week's segment is no different. We begin with some Bernie love, a few Napoleon Dynamite quotes and then Jesse reveals his seedy past as it relates to Playboy. Did he really serve (just) risotto to the cast members? 

How any of this gets us closer to finding his old film professor, Biscuits? Well, we have no idea.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

What did you just say? I said saying that Bernie Sanders is political is like saying Napoleon Dynamite is a political movie. They're not. It's just universal love. It's just universal goodness. You ate our steak. It's one of my favorite animals. Can I have one of your tots? No, I want tater tots. And then he put them in his pocket and there wasn't grease on the outside of his pocket. Like, did my mind matrix that out? Because I don't remember there ever being like oil fire on the outside of his pocket.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

It's been a hot minute since I've watched the following dynama. But I'll just it's one of those things where you never forget the lines from the thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:00

Listen, if you ever have to babysit a Mormon child or children, Jesse, that's a great movie to put on. Yeah, because they don't cuss. Like you can't put on our podcast because our music has cussings. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

But you could put on because the uh heater, the aheader. Is that now you say his name? John Heater. I think so. That's how I would say it. I've never said it out loud before. Yeah, he is Mormon.

SPEAKER_04 1:24

Yeah, that's yeah, exactly. Oh my god, Pedro for president. So hippie. How are you this week? I feel like such a jerk. Hi, how are you? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:34

You feel like we went straight into the Napoleon dynamite. You can't feel like a jerk when you do that. Do the chickens have large tongues?

SPEAKER_04 1:44

Uh quesadilla.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Yeah, that's a classic.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

I mean, I still call it quesadilla, and people look at me like stupid white woman, which they're right about that. I am. I mean, yeah, uh, but I say quesadilla as a reference to Napoleon dynamite. My father rests his soul is in a Bolger's can, thanks to the big Lebowski. So you know what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

I'm not taking a dog bowling, I'm not renting it shoes.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

I can smell the foot spray right now from the linen. V I linen.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Stop it. You're the in and out. You know, uh, when I when I when I moved to LA, I knew knew no one, uh, was coming from from Dallas, Texas, knew nobody.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Uh had only seen it in like film and television. You know, like didn't know jack shit about that place. The first place I found before like I even went looking for like the Hollywood sign or anything, yeah, was the the bowling alley from the big Lebaski. That's the first place I went to.

SPEAKER_04 3:00

Oh my god. Yeah, are you sure you're not my brother by birth?

SPEAKER_02 3:05

I feel like my dad oh, we're totally related. 100% though. Yeah, you are such a Riley. You know what? They they keep uh I'm trying to read an article here and it keeps having a pop-up. Yeah, that's the first place I went. Hollywood Star Lanes, which doesn't exist anymore, from what I understand.

SPEAKER_04 3:24

Oh, you're kidding.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

No, uh you you could not get it. I try, I wanted to get a white Russian, uh, but I was able to get perfect. I was able to get a delicious uh Miller genuine draft.

SPEAKER_04 3:37

Okay, this is just a brief one while you look up your other story, but okay, we all kind of knew, didn't we, that our data was being mined when we were playing Pokemon Go and the captchas that was all AI memory, like AI data collection, and we were training AI machines 100.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Makes me sick, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:03

And it was kids, like a lot of kids were playing that mostly. I would go out with my kids and we would just like hatch eggs by running, you know, bicycles and running around the neighborhood that summer.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

My sister played that for years. It's awful, that is terrible. Um, just like uh, you know, you like you know, uh remember when that that big craze started up about uh everybody was geocaching cacheting, or however you say that?

SPEAKER_04 4:30

Geocaching.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Yeah, you know what that is, you know, you know what I'm talking about? I do. I have a story about that, but what yeah, there were well, there were apps that were you like yes, there were abs connected to that, so you know they were doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 4:44

Oh my god. So this is a funny story because my um my mom and Mike, who is my other dad, they live across the um the street from where the snake river and the Columbia River converge, and there is a where evil can evil jumped. No, nobody jumped there. No, there's you kidding the snake river, but not Washington State. Evil Knievel, everyone. Oh I'm Mr. Evil Knew, dude. Do you know how many boo-boos I had? Because we would set up fake ramps to be evil can evil as a kid. Oh my god, my huffy. Oh, it got some banged up.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

Oh, and then we graduated to like freewheelers and stuff, and like really sat down.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

Oh, yes, okay. I'm lucky I'm here. Yeah, me too, and with all my limbs, which you can't see because it's an audio podcast. But so my parents confirm that she has all of her limbs. Uh so my parents lived across from this big park that's right on the Snake River where it converges with the Columbia River in Washington State. No evil can evil jumping happened there. But Sacagawea, damn it, which um everybody mispronounces, um, Sacagawea did apparently she was there. Um she jumped the Snake River there. Nobody jumped the Snake River there, but they had this like um this it looked like a big pile of um stuff that was in the middle of you know those frisbee golf courses. So it one of the holes. I'm aware. I have a friend who's a frisbee golfer. So my niece Lyra set up a geocache that was called Grandpa's Ashes. And what she would do is put Grandpa Mike, my dad's barbecue ashes in there, so you'd find it. And then in the case, you go, I made I found the geocache, and then it would be these ashes, and people would go, Oh my god, it's like cremated grandpa ashes, and it scared the crap out of people.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

And it was so funny because my parents could sit and, like, you know, watch their sports, and then they'd have an eye across at the park and careful because now when Rachel hears this, she's gonna name a flower essence after she's gonna call one grandpa's ashes.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

But it always scared people, and my parents could sit and drink their wine and look across the street at all the people that were so disgusted. They're like, Oh my god, oh my god, I just touched grandpa's ashes. Oh my god. And then Lyra would go over there and go, Grandpa, I need more uh barbecue ashes because it's running low. Because people would take it, even though they thought it was cremated remains of grandpa, they would take that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

I mean, you're you're you're putting it on the geocache, you know. So of course they're gonna take it. It probably smelled, it probably smelled delicious.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

I bet you somebody sniffed it.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

Like a hockey player with smelling salts. Yeah, it smells like chicken. And it would, it would kind of taste actually smell more like bacon if it was really my my dad's ashes. Um, okay, so now did you find a story?

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Well, I found uh the uh the the the previous Doom Hole. Oh, good. Uh, we talked about the Walmart secures two AI pricing patents or patents, if you will, raising dynamic pricing concerns.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Oh yeah. This is dynamic pricing. That's what they're calling it now, not price fixing or variable pricing. They're calling it dynamic pricing. Dynamic. We're ready to dynamically price for you now, Jess.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

Hello, welcome. It is time for dynamic pricing. So creepy, we're so good at this now. Yeah, we've got really good. Would you like to dynamically price? What we know so far. This is uh from the tech spot. Uh Sky Jacobs hooked us up with this. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Sky. What we know so far. Uh oh, bullet pointed and bullet the the you know and everything. Oh, uh, and a picture of the patent. Walmart is developing developing algorithmic tools to shape how it sets prices, even as US lawmakers intensify scrutiny. Like, where? Who who's doing that? I haven't seen anyone intensify any scrutiny of data-driven pricing in grocery and retail. The retailer has secured two US patents this year covering automated markdowns and machine learning based demand forecasting. Adding to a broader portfolio of nearly 50 US patents granted to the company so far in 2026. 50 plus patents that have to do in this general pricing, what have you.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

Oh my God, 5050.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Walmart says the new systems are not designed for surge or individualized pricing. But what their capabilities arrive at a moment when lawmakers are moving to restrict precisely those practices. One of the patents issued in January describes the what Walmart calls an end-to-end price markdown system for its e-commerce platforms, including Walmart.com. According to the filing, the system would dynamically and automatically update item prices to implement markdowns based on data such as predicted demand and consumers price sensibility. Sensitivity. All just predictive modeling of like uh what people are gonna buy and how much of it they're gonna buy and what they're gonna pay for it, what they're willing to pay for. Yeah, companies e-commerce business generated more than 150 billion in sales last year, which should surprise nobody because uh it's literally my only option here.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

So oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Uh that's awful. The new tools are meant to fine-tune discounts across that volume rather than change base prices in real time. Walmart told this to the Financial Times. Oh, that this patent is unrelated to dynamic pricing and is limited to markdown activity. Well, okay, but what do you do in dynamic time? Oh, so they're just saying they're just saying that this thing can only take the prices down. Oh, this is such a we're supposed to believe this as much as we believe like the little remember that when they had the little smiley face like things that would like uh like it would whistle like on the commercials, and like yeah, it was just knocking them prices back.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Knocking those prices back, it's just prices. Yeah, this is disgusting. They just learned how to market it uh better because of what is happening with the pushback.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

That is so they're just changing the thumb name around. Doomhole, you Walmart, and you're right, there's a lot of people that they don't have a choice about uh what the retailers are, yes, food food deserts and such as they are called, which I which I uh to in all fairness, I do not live in, but um, I I have to order things from somewheres or another, and sometimes that's my only option, right?

SPEAKER_04 12:29

So you're empathetic to people with it.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

It's either that or Bezos, you know what I mean? Like that's my two, it's you know, so it's just like uh, you know, if you and if you buy from Bezos, it's so bad. There's this it's it's just pick your Sith Lord, is all it is, really, you know?

SPEAKER_04 12:46

Oh yes. Oh my god, it's so true. Oh, I'm glad we do hold that one, and it is a good continuous thread. Thank you for following up on that one.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

What do you like here? Do we want to get this hardcore? Deductive reasoning is dying with mil with us well.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

We already know that we're getting stupid with AI. R millennials. I say go for it. Let's get cerebral.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Or do you like uh corporate America's love affair with AI is officially a full-blown obsession? Oh, I love that because is it an obsession? Hold on I I got I got you. Oh, yeah, you do. Let's do this first, okay. Yeah, it's for all the pervert subscribers out there. Oh no, don't you have to we do we love all of you? We don't shame, we don't shame you.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Be careful about saying that, Jesse. You just said I don't want them to obsess on you and send you weird pictures and things in your DMs.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

I'm just making a joke. OpenAI's own advisors call chat GPT erotica a sexy suicide coach.

SPEAKER_04 13:54

Oh, this is so gross. How are sexy and suicide and coach all in the same phrase?

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Really bad.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

Make this make sense. This makes me feel so weird.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Ellsworth Tohi Tohee. Uh, I hope I pronounced your name right, Ellsworth. Um this is from Boing Boing. Boing Boing. Boing Boing. Boing Boing.net. Which has consistently been a great blog since like the yeah, for a long time. Since like uh 2007, 2008. I mean, it was back then in the old in the early the early RSS feed days. Wow. Open AI's handpicked council of mental health advisors. Let me do that for you again, in case you guys weren't listening. OpenAI's hand picked council of mental health advisors.

SPEAKER_04 14:52

That's some dirty, dirty money they're taking in. That is some dirty money. Wonder that 10 times.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

These these these these fallen angels could redeem themselves now. Unanimously told the company not to launch sexually explicit chat in chat GPT. The company is moving forward anyway. Of course, because of course it is.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

Oh, Sam Altman, you do not know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Okay, so they try they tried. They tried.

SPEAKER_04 15:26

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

The Wall Street Journal reported that the Wing Advisory Council, which is what they are called. The or well, I don't know. They call themselves that. Maybe that's just what we're calling them in this article. Um the Wellbeing Advisory Council, psychologists and neuroscientists assembled by OpenAI after the first known chat GPT link suicide of a minor, the Sewell Setzer the third case in October, which I I believe we've already did. And uh, you know, yeah to him, you know, and it that and his family. And uh wow, wow. Uh warned in January that AI powered erotica could foster un if you can't even get through it. No, I'm just I'm so sorry. It's just oh my god. Warned in January that uh it's just just having to say AI powered erotica out loud could foster unhealthy emotional dependence. Do they think right? And that minors would inevitably find ways into sex chat. Yes, an expert warned the feature could create a sexy suicide coach. Oh, like ours Technica, which uh is also a really good site. You guys should check out. Yeah. Um, Sam Altman announced adult mode the same day the council delivered its objections. So uh Sam was like, no, we're gonna do it anyway.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

They see money.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

We're bringing sexy back. That's what Sam, you know. Uh, he didn't actually say that. He did not.

SPEAKER_04 17:23

Oh my god. Crummy a river. Now I understand why he's wearing a blazer now because it's supposed to legitimize him and his business as they're going to be able to do it. She didn't even wear the dirty parts.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Wait, what's that? What did uh what did what's his name? Rock in the mansion. They uh uh he used to wear those pajamas and the you know, remember when it's uh hefner are you talking about Hugh Hefner? Yeah, yeah, Hugh Hefner with the oh my god, he'd wear the he'd wear the pajamas and the uh it was like a smoking jacket. It was a smoking jacket, over pajamas.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

That I think somebody should just make that meme right now.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yeah, he should just Sam should just totally pick that mantle up and like a pimp hat. I knew one of uh you know, remember when he had like uh seven girlfriends or eight girlfriends or wives or something? Right. I knew I knew one of them.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

Oh sorry for her.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

She was actually really cool.

SPEAKER_04 18:15

Um was she? I bet she deserved better than that.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Yeah, uh so you know. Uh she was really cool when we when we knew her. Um she was uh she was a redhead, and then as soon as like uh you know she became one of the girlfriends and stuff, suddenly like uh she's she's she's blonde. So I guess that's the thing. You had to like dye your hair blonde.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

Yeah, my god.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Yeah, it was uh strange times back then.

SPEAKER_04 18:45

Well, it's strange times in Silicon Valley now.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Yeah uh open AI's age prediction system was misclassifying minors as adults about 12 percent of the time. Yep, that's a pretty big fail rate when you're talking about stuff like pretty awful, meaning millions of underage users could slip through. Mark Cuban cautioned Altman. This is about kids developing relationships with an LLM that could take them in any number of very personal directions, you know. For the Mark Cuban consistently seems like he's trying to to to to like he's he's trying to do the right the right thing on on stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

I agree. I mean, he's not going as far as Bernie, he's not even tickling on the edges of being considered for our award, you know, it's our prestigious award.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

No matter what, yeah, but he's like he's going, hey, maybe you know, we're talking about kids here. Maybe we should you know calm this down a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

And he knows his way around the law, and so it's like this is a vulnerable population, this is where the lawsuits will flourish, and this is how you're taken down. So he's pragmatic too.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Well, I mean, they they constantly, you know, everything they're doing right now with the age verification and stuff they keep saying is for the kids, for the kids, for the kids, which I don't believe. I don't either, you know. I it's for other nefarious purposes.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Uh, and if any kids get saved, that will just be like uh uh angels intervening or something like that. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I agree, but uh yeah, so uh the company internally labeled the planned feature. This is their internal label, naughty chats.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Naughty chats, naughty chats.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

God, this is like Santa's bad side because you know speaking of this since we were on the theme, that sounds like uh that sounds like a like a game show that would have been on Playboy TV and like uh, right? Exactly, yeah. Something you'd have to like go outside and like uh like manually move your satellite dish in the right position to like pick up.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

Not that you did that, you know a lot about that.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

I gotta watch naughty chat. Uh well, no, I I do uh I I I I did some catering gigs in LA and I ended up at uh Playboy Studios one time. So Lord, oh my god, your life. You're like they were they were they were shooting one of those shows. Uh I just walked in and I was like, uh oh, we're at the Playboy place. Um, so I'm just I'm sitting there serving like risotto to like uh all these like porn stars and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

You know, my dad uh lived in Sherman Oaks for a short period of time, a couple summers.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

And oh, you were close, you were right near the airport.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

I know that's what I was gonna say. And we didn't have money, we didn't have a lot of money, so we would pop our own pop. Popcorn and put lemon pepper and butter on it and sneak it into the movie theater. And I remember I was a kid, so I just banked this knowledge. But I said, Um, we're I had to tell him, we're sneaking in popcorn. He goes, This theater said seen a lot worse stuff than that. It's okay. And I didn't realize as a kid what he was saying he saw in the movie theater in Sherman Oaks, but now I'm beginning to understand.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

It's pretty, it's pretty, it's pretty close to uh that good old Van Nuys Airport. I know that's where I was. That's where all that that's where all talk about the naughty chats.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Yeah, okay. So is that it? Did we doom haul that was so gross? Yeah, we gotta do now. We need a happy one. Do you can do you have anything that will make me feel better before we let me let me hit you with this last one?

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Okay, yeah. All right, I'll gird. Open AI describes the outputs as smut rather than pornography. Oh, there's such a difference there. Give me a break. Uh, a top safety executive who opposed the release was fired. OpenAI denied the firing was related. Oh, doom hole. We know it was related.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

Doom hole, you open AI.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Ah, there they are. They're out there, they're serving risotto to chatbots and making them get sexy. Uh what a world we live in.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

What a world. This next one can't be.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

I have a lot of Playboy. I've had Playboy like twice in this. I just want to make clear they didn't let me anywhere near that mansion or anything. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

I feel like we I need to do the logo with our little robot with little bunny ears for this doom hole just to warn people.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Maybe that would be uh we'll probably we would probably work on that. We would probably get sued by Playboy.

SPEAKER_04 23:52

Oh, I don't want to be sued. Oh, yeah, yuck.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

I don't know. Would it be good for the pod?

SPEAKER_04 23:57

No, I don't feel like it'd be really bad for our doom holes. I feel like we'd end up with a doom hole STD.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Yeah, we don't need to do that.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

We don't know. Let's not do it.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Oh, okay. Well, this should piss off everybody listening. Uh we'll close on this note. Uh yes. Just to just to catch everybody up. Uh, we have a tinkle Santa Bell now that's uh cute and happy and makes a cute noise. We won't be ringing him uh after we're back in Christmas. God, so excited when you mentioned it.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

Like, oh, we're gonna get to use a good one. No, no, no, no. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

You're gonna have to, you're gonna have to uh pretend good shit's going on. Okay, so uh back to futurism and our buddy Frank, Frank Landy Moore, everyone. Frank, we couldn't love you more. Frank, come on the podcast, come on the pod.

SPEAKER_04 24:54

Please come on the pod. We're gonna reach out to Frank because he needs to come on, and he has done some major awesome things you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Frank is a he's amazing. Uh you know what else? Frank is Frank, Frank's a Frank's a big time journalist. He could he might be able to help us find biscuits. Oh Jesse, anybody could track biscuits down.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

I'm beginning to feel like you know what I think. I think biscuits has been hiding from you ever since your Playboy stuff. I mean, well, he means hiding from you, he and nothing up there, but yeah, he changed it to Flapjacks or something biscuits adjacent that you couldn't find him.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

Oh, you know, I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Yeah, he maybe he's dumplings now.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Hey, I'm flapjacks, I'm scones. Hey there, uh call me scones mcGruff.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

Actually, wait, isn't McGruff the dog in the trench coat?

SPEAKER_02 25:53

I think he's the he's the crime dog, right? Yeah, yeah. Sorry, I'm not trying to connect the two. I just I just had to come up with a last name on the fly. Call me like call me chicken dumplings.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

Oh my god. Would I have to take off my glasses because you make them steam up because I'm laughing so hard too bad. Sorry, sorry. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

I forgive you. CEO of Palantir. Oh god, which is this is and this is this is the one with the crazy hair.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

Okay, just so you can go ahead and get in your he likes to be called Daddy Carp on the Discord, by the way. Speaking of the naughty chats, he likes to be what he likes to be called now on the discord chat. He likes to be called daddy carp. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

First off, I don't understand what I still don't understand what the fuck Discord is. Okay, like somebody was like, Yeah, we got a Discord. It was I don't even remember what it was. I think it was like uh like the criterion people nerds like me that like buy criterion things, right? They're like, Yeah, we got a discord, man. It's cool. Go on the Discord, and I was just like, What in the is this? There's all these emojis that you have to like I know there are like you have to get them all correct, yes, like like and they everyone you click on, they do stuff, right? It was like I was trying to open the goddamn Stargate, you know? And it was happening here.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

Guess what? You're not trying hard enough. There's no access to daddy carp for you. So read us the story. It's the closest you're gonna get to that star.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

I'm gonna have to just like admire daddy from afar. Um CEO of Palantir says AI will seize power away from college-educated women.

SPEAKER_04 27:55

Wow, that's so specific.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

It's very specific, right? I'm kind of pissed off already. This technology disrupts humanities trained, largely democratic voters. Oh that's a quote. Ooh, that's a quote from uh, you know, Daddy Carp. I'm not just saying, I'm not calling this dude.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

Oh, you know you want to.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

I'm not. There's no uh it's daddy carp. I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

Daddy carp is ready for your interview.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Daddy carp. Daddy carp is waiting for you on the Discord.

SPEAKER_04 28:37

So gross. Oh my god. I need to scrub myself with Purel after this episode.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Daddy Carp wants you to bring your Discord regalia.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

This is so bad.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

All right, let's hear the rest of it. I'm gonna have to take a shower and like I yo, that's how I feel.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

I'm gonna have to take like alcohol wipes and wipe myself down rubbing alcohol.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Yeah, I uh you know what? I'm gonna just go walk through the car wash, the the automatic one. You know, I'm just gonna I don't know. No, I didn't bring the car.

SPEAKER_04 29:11

Don't let your dogs lick you because we are dirty, dirty, dirty people now.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Yeah, you you all of you stay over there, okay? The things we're talking about, you you're you're you're beautiful, the dirt, beautiful precious minds do not need to, you do not need this energy.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Oh, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

All right, what else did he say? From the guy who bragged that he chats with real Nazis and music about how legalizing war crimes would be good for his bottom line, comes another zinger that will have you yearn for the days when CEOs acted more like cautious bureaucrats that then roided out pro wrestlers. Yes, he's Royd Raged in a CNBC interview, which you know what why is why why is CNBC letting this you know because he's the head of Palantir. Remember, but but remember when we used to have standards? Peter Jennings wouldn't put up with this bullshit. No, he wouldn't. No, he wouldn't. Tom Brokaw wouldn't put up with this bullshit. I don't think so either. No. In a CNBC interview on Thursday, Palantir co-founder and CEO Alex Carr opined that AI will undermine the influence of highly educated, often female voters, and empower working class men instead. And anyone who doesn't realize this political reality, he added, belongs in an insane asylum. Wow. Major United States corporation that has like all kinds of technology that spies on you and can kill you, and creating defensive weapons based on facial recognition. This is how this this is how this guy talks.

SPEAKER_04 31:05

This is fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

He's worried about uh uh uh uh who's getting a humanities degree from like Sarah Lawrence, you know. Oh my god. This technology disrupts humanities train. Did I hear you bring that? Largely democratic voters and makes their economic power less and increases the economic power of vocationally trained working class, often male voters, carp elaborated, on a portion of the interview highlighted by the new republic. And so these disruptions are gonna disrupt come on, daddy.

SPEAKER_04 31:49

I hate when you say the same word in the same sentence.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

You can do you can do better than that. Don't don't you have like a uh don't you have an AI thing strapped to you at all times that can like not repeat?

SPEAKER_04 32:01

Construct, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

And so these disruptions are gonna disrupt every aspect of our society, and to make this work, we have to come to an agreement of what it is we're going to do with the technology. How are we gonna explain to people that this guy's a billionaire? Yeah, apparently who are likely gonna have less good and less interesting jobs. Uh, its CEO's comments will be music to the ears of the Trump administration and its supporters, which has embraced AI in all aspects as a battlefield tool, as a way of eliminating federal bureaucracy, and as a machine for producing propaganda in a in a cultural war against the woke DEI minorities, and of course, women. And of course, women. Of course, women, and of course, women.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

What a throwaway comment. Chauvinist viewpoints are echoed by other leaders at Palantir. In a social media rant in December, Joe Lonsdale, the company's billionaire co-founder, advocated for public executions and said it was time to bring back masculine leadership. We have feminine energy running our cities and our courts, he complained. Others exhibited a loathing of the educated left-leaning demographic that Carp vows AI will destroy. In an essay for the spectator, Palantir's UK CEO Lewis Mosley warned AI would come for burdensome bureaucrats and other members of the professional class, which he called the lanyard class, and would empower blue-collar workers. We don't need bureaucracy to control AI. We need AI to cut bureaucracy, Mosley, the grandson of oh, okay. I should have made this connection. Mosley, the grandson of Oswald Mosley, the founder of the British Union of Fascists, with Adolf Hitler declared.

SPEAKER_04 34:31

You can't make this shit up. They're they're the like they're just saying their truth, you know, and wow, we all need a shower after that. That was awful. The lanyard class, and why are these people publishing this, Jesse? Why? I mean, it's the same, but but this is the same bullshit that that they've always pushed, you know, is uh you feel like they're they're gonna get mitigating we're gonna get uh you know, we're gonna give power back to the working man, and you know there's okay, but I'm just gonna say if I was looking at this from far away, if it was a book, right? I would say, This character, why is he doing this? It's to get people to identify with, um, you know, come out against him, have any sort of he's one of those people. I get the feeling that Daddy Carp is one of those people that he thrives on people throwing hate at him, and you know, maybe he wants to start a giant contest between the districts, and like uh it's feels like that. Yeah, my God, it totally does. Yeah, oh my god, if you will. And guess who the lanyard class is in the Hunger Games? They're in District One, aren't they? Yeah, and he's in district one, yeah. So it's like it's insane to me. He's trying to get oh, it just makes me so mad.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

It and it's it's just you it's just again, it's using this technology to to to to keep the country divided so they can pillage and steal just everything out from under us.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Yeah, and none of us consented to it. None of us, you know.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Yeah, it's just going uh, hey, uh dude, do you do you know do dude that uh has a has a job like uh you know, just you're a mechanic or you're uh right, you know, you you've you you you've you're you've you're an HVAC technician or you're a you know whatever, you know, you're a legitimate contractor. Yeah, you know, it's just any of those jobs, you know, just normal jobs, which yep. I'm important hard working jobs. They're important jobs. And I, you know, I like those. I I I do too. I love those jobs. I'm very important. Yeah, I grew up with those jobs. No, it's like telling those people, hey, um what what's the the the reason that you're struggling uh is because uh, you know, you got the lanyard class over here and a bunch of uh humanities majors that are women study majors. Oh my god, you know, from uh some fancy school. They're the ones that have become Democrat or uh Democrat. Well, yeah, they you know, they don't like Democrats, they become Democrats and bureaucrats, and like they're the ones who are like keeping they're the problem, they're keeping you down.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

And you know what? Oh my god, Jesse. Here I'm making light of the Discord group, and he likes being calling daddy carp. Well, um, I mean, this is not productive. It he is, he's like it's the same, it's the same old thing.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

It's that uh who are we gonna blame? Who are we gonna who are we gonna blame for all our woes? You know, yeah, when it's not like this is a new thing, it isn't going on since the beginning of time.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

It just makes me so sick.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

You know why you know why you guys don't have any any clean drinking water is because uh that other group of like uh apes over there saw totally as yeah, they they they're fancy and they saw the monolith, yeah, and like uh they learned how to make tools, and so uh they're keeping it down, you know.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Yeah, I guess I miss, I guess I miss the playbook where they were um not overt about it. It was like, you know what I'm saying when we talked about Bohemian Grove and this group of C people would like have these secret agendas there and the WEF, and now it's just like out in the open.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

I mean, it was it was fun when it was like because then you could go, what goes on at that bohemian grave?

SPEAKER_04 38:43

Let's hide in the bohemian grove. Let's hide there, let's go look at the YouTubers that made it in there.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

A bunch of nerds hang out in the bohemian grove. You know, that's that literally all it is, and they like you know, that they they put on weird plays and like they drink, you know.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

That that's they burn the effigy of an owl, a giant they burn a giant owl, but now they're just doing Discord things and just going, yeah, we're gonna hate most of the people, except for you know, just yeah, just straight up on this, you know.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

Wow, I think I'll go on CNBC and just like uh call every college educated woman in the country the problem, you know. Here's the scoop.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

I I have to feel better because I know people listening to this, they are the kind of people that love, they give the benefit of the doubt to most people. They love animals, they love trees, they love other people. And I'm just gonna send the love out there because I think that I'm just going with the MLK Junior thing. You know, love wins. Love is more powerful than this, whatever this crap is. I hate to be the Pollyanna I am, but here I am sending out the love because this is.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

You know what we may have to do is uh we may have to we we may have to start closing Doomhole with a special interest story. That's a great idea. Yeah. Like uh, like a like a like a bird and a cat befriended each other in Topeka, Kansas, and like uh saved uh this lady from a fire, you know that kind of yes.

SPEAKER_04 40:25

Remember, Walter Cronkite always ended his newscast with a feel good. Um, you mentioned Ted Koppel, he did the same thing for years and years. It's like they always ended with a feel good. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Walter Cronkite originally did the read through when you're going on Spaceship Earth in Fgot, remember? Yeah, my sister and I like mumble that shit all the time to each other, like but it's all changed, it's all changed. No, I know, yeah. I think it's uh I think it's James Dame Judy Dench nowadays.

SPEAKER_04 41:03

Oh, it is also cool. Wow, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

But I mean, uh yeah, but we we we we're we're always like just we will just like randomly like that's we're gonna do so.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Yeah, we're gonna have to our feel good this week. Is you know what? Yeah, well people are good.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

No, let's do one. How's that squirrel ears doing?

SPEAKER_04 41:24

You know, Chippy's doing great. Chippy is just thriving, he's doing great. My family's doing great. Life is good. It's sunny outside. The hiking trail was fun today. People were nice on the trail. I fed a magpie part of my Pop Tart at the end of my hike today.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

How about Jen to share a Pop Tart with somebody?

SPEAKER_04 41:50

Like it was building a nest, it had a little twig.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Must have been one special magpie.

SPEAKER_04 41:57

I'm out too. That was my last packet of Pop Tarts. I had it on my list to get because I want hot fudge pop tarts to put in the freezer.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

And I think you're gonna have to make a run later.

SPEAKER_04 42:08

I might have to go to the circle K.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

Yeah, you might have to. Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

SPEAKER_04 42:17

Bill of Ted's excellent adventure.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

We're just gonna keep up like like remember when Bob Ross would talk about his squirrel.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

Yes, his squirrel.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

That's how I feel. I Chippy's doing great. We're just you know, but his squirrel may have had the same name. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

I don't remember either. I just know that my stepmother texted me and said, Do you know that Chippy is an old-fashioned name for a hooker? And I went, Oh, Chippy. I'm sorry. This is what I got. This is the feedback I got.

SPEAKER_02 42:49

Look, you're you're not responsible, you're not responsible for for that part of Chippy's life, okay?

SPEAKER_04 42:56

Chippy like shelled nuts, not like shelled nuts.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

You're doing the best you can with the ah, you're not responsible for that. So yeah, we're we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna end with feeling now. Yeah, we're gonna start talking with chippy. We're gonna start talking about chippy and like uh other things. Who what what what forest creature Jen gave a pop tart to or something? Because uh Doom holes can get a little heavy sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 43:21

They do. Doomhole. Okay, wait, we have to officially Doomhole Daddy Oh.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

There's that's not a big enough bell.

SPEAKER_04 43:31

That is not, but fair enough. Okay, goodbye. All right, have what are you gonna do next? Do something good, give your dogs love.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Well, when we're recording this, it's it's uh it's Friday. So uh it is. I'm gonna try to make it through the next uh oh, you know what? What we're almost there. We're we're almost there. It's uh pretty soon it's gonna be time to feed the dogs and then same same here. I'm doing nothing after that. Good.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Oh, I'm so glad. Well, thanks for meeting up with me at the last minute this week. It really, uh, wow. What a weird. We had to have some doom holes. We did have some doom holes. Have the best weekend. Hey, for everybody listening, we absolutely love and appreciate you. And we're, I'm so glad you're in the world, man. I'm so glad you're doing your thing, keeping your chin up.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

We need people like you out there.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

We sure do.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Yep. You're important. Have a good weekend. Do something nice for yourself. You give yourself a little present.

SPEAKER_04 44:39

Give yourself a you know what? Wrap your both your arms around yourself and give yourself a little hug. Give a little hug. Like if it doesn't hurt your back. Yeah, like you're a squirrel. Like you're a squirrel. Like Chippy. Chippy likes to go like this. He puts one hand on his heart and he puts one paw out to me. Like, please, lady, I'm manifesting. You throw me a peanut. And so do that to yourself in the mirror.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Look at yourself in the mirror and then throw a pop dart at it, and then it's yours. Okay. We love you. Your dreams will come true. All right.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

Did you just make a promise we can't deliver?

SPEAKER_03 45:17

No, your dreams will come true.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

If you do it, if they do it right, it's not Frank.

SPEAKER_04 45:21

Frank of futurism, come on our show. Dreams will come true for you.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

Frank, dude. We need to, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:28

Can you imagine Frank in the same space as Rachel White? I feel like a portal would open up and no more grouping people.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Yeah, we'd have to do like some like huge like substack of I don't even know what that would be.

SPEAKER_04 45:42

I don't even know. My mind isn't big enough to grasp it yet. No, no, no. All right, go get offline, get those headphones off, and give your dogs a kiss for me. And that's it.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody. Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers. Fucking clankers.