Stop Tolerating Toxic Success with Elizabeth Webb

What if the glass ceiling you just broke through leads to a room where you aren't even allowed to speak?

In this episode of Glass Ceilings and Sticky Floors, Erica Rooney sits down with Elizabeth Webb, author of Made for Magic. Elizabeth shares her raw experience as the first female employee at an all-male company, where she realized that "staying on principle" was actually costing her soul. They dive into the "Pragmatic Goddess" approach to leaving toxic workplaces and how to reclaim a life of soul-satisfying joy.

Join them as they discuss the epidemic of exhaustion, why "fun" is a radical act for high-achieving women, and how to stop "blabbing" (numbing out) and start actually resting.

Inside the Episode:

• The Toxic Breakout: Elizabeth’s story of being the "only" woman in the room and the moment she realized her presence was being used as a shield for a culture that refused to change.
• The Pragmatic Goddess Strategy: A survival guide for the "onlys" who can't leave their jobs yet. Learn why you must put an end date in your calendar to calm your subconscious and stop the feeling that "this is forever."
• Toxic Toleration: How to recognize when your "righteousness" in staying at a hard job is actually just a mask for martyring your health and energy.
• Rest vs. Blabbing: Why binging two seasons of a show or doom-scrolling isn't rest—it's numbing—and how to identify activities that actually make you feel alive.
• Scheduling Joy as Sacred: Why your salsa class or art session should be held with the same "sacredness" as a high-stakes board meeting.
• The "Fun" Resolution: Following the leadership of a 7-year-old to rediscover the luxury of doing things just because you enjoy them, without turning them into a "productive" side hustle.
• Reclaiming Hope: How to restart your dreaming process even when you’re too exhausted to remember what makes you happy.

If you’ve been "rattling the cage" of a career that doesn't feed your soul, this episode is your permission slip to stop surviving and start creating a life that feels like magic.

🔗 Resources:

• Get the first chapter of Elizabeth’s book for free: madeformagicbook.com.
• Buy the book: Made for Magic: A Practical Guide from Survival Mode to Soul-Satisfying Joy.
• Connect with Erica Rooney on LinkedIn.

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Transcript

00:00:00:02 - 00:00:25:18

Erica Rooney

Welcome to the Glass Ceilings and Sticky Floor podcast. This is the podcast where we get real about the challenges that women face in work life and leadership. I'm your host, Erica Rooney, HR executive, keynote speaker and executive coach, and I'm on a mission to get more women into positions of power and keep them there. This is the space where we call out the paradoxes, being told to lean in, but not too far to speak up, but not too loudly.

00:00:26:00 - 00:00:49:09

Erica Rooney

Be ambitious, but not too ambitious. Does that sound familiar to you? Yeah, we are over all that. Here we break down the sticky floors that keep us stuck from imposter syndrome and perfectionism to burnout and fear. And we give you real strategies to shatter those glass ceilings once and for all. So if you're ready to rewrite the rules, own your power, and take your career and life to the next level.

00:00:49:09 - 00:01:15:12

Erica Rooney

You're in the right place. Now I'm gonna need all y'all who are listening to get ready to meet a transformation expert who is proving that having it all doesn't have to mean doing it all until you break. Today's guest is a seasoned corporate leader and holistic health and life coach who helps high achieving women reclaim their vitality without walking away from their ambitions.

00:01:15:14 - 00:01:38:04

Erica Rooney

And y'all, I'm thrilled about this because so often, so many people have told me to be less stressed. I should be less ambitious. And y'all, that does not work here. But we are bringing in Elizabeth Webb, who is the founder of Positively Elizabeth, to the show, where she blends her background in high stakes corporate environments with deep expertise in nutrition and mindset.

00:01:38:10 - 00:02:01:11

Erica Rooney

So y'all, she's just bringing all the things that I love together, but she's proof that you can lead a multibillion dollar impact while keeping your nervous system in check and your joy intact. And y'all, she's also an author. Her book, Made for magic, hit the shelves in October of last year, and it is nothing short of incredible. So we are absolutely going to dive into that in the podcast.

00:02:01:13 - 00:02:21:12

Erica Rooney

Now what I love, love, love about Elizabeth is that y'all. She moves from the boardroom to the wellness retreat and is reshaping how we view success by putting that human back in high performance. So y'all, without further ado, let's bring Elizabeth to the show. Elizabeth, how are you today?

00:02:21:14 - 00:02:24:11

Elizabeth Webb

I'm doing wonderful, and I'm happy to be here.

00:02:24:13 - 00:02:50:01

Erica Rooney

Oh my gosh, so much fun. We've got a ton of stuff to dive into, but I would love to kick it off just with a little bit of background because you started your your career in corporate and you spent a lot of time navigating all of the corporate politics and this, that and the other. But what was that internal spark that led you away from the traditional executive path into this world with holistic coaching?

00:02:50:03 - 00:03:13:09

Elizabeth Webb

Oh, thanks for asking. So I was never an executive myself. What I was doing was I was helping in the inner workings of corporate. And what I realized, like so many of us realize when we're in that world, is the money is good. You know, the safety is good. That feels good. You know, that's hard to give up.

00:03:13:11 - 00:04:06:12

Elizabeth Webb

And it's really hard to live a soul led life and make soul led decisions when you are not the decision maker within corporate. So there's usually like, politics, you know, suppression. Let's just call suppression politics. And, I decided that I still work within corporate and I still advise leaders, but now I only work with the decision makers, and I only work with, like, the top leader in the company because if I'm effecting change with people who are below that on the food chain, what happens ultimately is built affect some change there that makes things healthier, that makes things better for the employees, makes things better for themselves.

00:04:06:17 - 00:04:19:21

Elizabeth Webb

But ultimately their wings are clipped and they end up leaving, which there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm like, I'm not trying to be the specialist and help empowering people so much that all the middle management leaves.

00:04:19:23 - 00:04:20:08

Erica Rooney

Like.

00:04:20:14 - 00:04:46:12

Elizabeth Webb

I'd rather work with the person who is the main decision maker and really affect change from the top down. So when I work with, corporate leaders now, those are the only people that I'm working with. And thank God they they want to work with me. These are people who could work with anyone. So I always feel honored that they choose to have me by their side.

00:04:46:14 - 00:05:14:00

Elizabeth Webb

And to your point, yeah, I'm woo woo. So boardroom and the woo, we're combining both. And what I'm noticing with these high level decision makers is they actually want the woo if they feel like it works. So they're open. They'll they'll sit in the ayahuasca circle. They'll do the eMDR therapy. They'll do, you know, all of these things that are kind of fringe in that world.

00:05:14:02 - 00:05:26:23

Elizabeth Webb

If they see a result and if they really trust the person that's advising it. Not that I'm advising I laskar honestly, I've never done it, but I was just using an extreme example, right.

00:05:27:01 - 00:05:52:21

Erica Rooney

I okay, so so many things we can unpack here. But you know, I was a chief people officer for so long and I would see the struggles. Yeah. But I would see the struggles that, you know, the people who were not in the executive team would feel and that they would face. And I would often have to advise on the like, look, you're either on the boat or you're off the boat, but like, you ain't driving the boat.

00:05:52:21 - 00:06:16:12

Erica Rooney

And I know sometimes that can be hard to hear. And yes, you have to consider the money and you have to consider safety. Like we all work for dollars, but when it's pulling you away from your own core values. And that's what I really advise to people like, I would hear people complain all the time about corporate this and corporate that, and it's like, look, you will hit a breaking point wherever you are.

00:06:16:12 - 00:06:43:07

Erica Rooney

If the value conflict is so different, and that's because your soul is so aligned to those core values. And it's exactly why I ended up leaving corporate is because the company I had worked for, their core values had completely shifted away. And even as a chief people officer, I didn't have the ability to change it. Right. Because we all report to somebody and somebody had their own ideas about where they wanted the ship to go.

00:06:43:07 - 00:06:47:05

Erica Rooney

And so I decided, I gotta get off this boat, you know?

00:06:47:07 - 00:06:57:06

Elizabeth Webb

Totally. It's a very specific personality type that can last. And that environment long term without feeling like they're selling their soul.

00:06:58:01 - 00:07:19:13

Elizabeth Webb

Absolutely. Some people can do it and some people can do it for the rest of their life. And I've noticed there is a certain personality type that can compartmentalize and really just like see it for what it is. It's almost like being in a marriage where you're like, hey, does this light my soul on fire? Do I really feel seen, heard and understood?

00:07:19:15 - 00:07:21:11

Erica Rooney

Not really.

00:07:21:13 - 00:07:46:03

Elizabeth Webb

But I also don't want to be alone. And like, you know, it works for me and these ways. It works enough that I'm going to keep this going and get my needs met for that in other ways. So it's a very like practical person out, pragmatic personality type that I see that I'm like, more power to you if it's meeting your needs, stay if it's not.

00:07:46:03 - 00:08:07:03

Elizabeth Webb

But a lot of us have this itch, this spark, this fire within us that's just like at a certain point, it's going to feel like you're rattling a cage and you'll either, God forbid, attract some sort of or create some sort of illness where you have to leave or, you'll choose to leave. Yeah. On your own terms.

00:08:07:03 - 00:08:08:17

Elizabeth Webb

Health, you know.

00:08:08:19 - 00:08:36:06

Erica Rooney

Yeah. The will in me really does say that if you're called to do something, the universe really will make it impossible for you to not do the thing. But it might hurt a lot. In the meantime, if you're not just kind of rolling with it. But I would love to ask, you know, for you, do you have a moment that you could share where you realized that your soul was not being fed and that you were sacrificing it for, you know, who knows what?

00:08:36:06 - 00:08:39:09

Erica Rooney

Corporate God.

00:08:39:11 - 00:09:12:12

Elizabeth Webb

So many moments that have been like that throughout my life. One of them, there's been moments, gosh, I'm recalling a moment where I was in San Francisco. Now I live in Austin, Texas, but at the time, I was in San Francisco, and I always maintained my private practice. So I was seeing private clients. But I was also in this position of having the honor of being the first female employee at an all male self-development company.

00:09:12:14 - 00:09:40:18

Elizabeth Webb

And I was thrilled at that glass ceiling that was being broken, that it was like I had only been men. They only served men, men, men, men. And then they were like, you know what? She's the one that we can bring in. And, this will be our first woman. So I was so delighted from a breaking through a glass ceiling, but also my own excitement was like, okay, I am the one.

00:09:40:18 - 00:10:12:00

Elizabeth Webb

Like, I can help bring consciousness to this company. I can help bring communication, communication skills. I can help bring this, this, this. And I got in there and they were just nothing of what I was hoping. And I was not able to affect the change in the way that I had dreamed of effecting the change and everything that you could think could be toxic at a company like, oh, we know what that means.

00:10:12:02 - 00:10:49:15

Elizabeth Webb

It was there from this sexual harassment to the feeling really unsafe, to the having a meeting to hear my thoughts and the male leadership team literally talking the whole time, the whole entire time of the meeting that was supposed to be like my thoughts, they're talking over each other, right? So I had this moment. I think I was with them for a year and a half, and I realized pretty early on, this is going to be much harder than I thought it was going to be.

00:10:49:17 - 00:11:19:05

Elizabeth Webb

I almost, left multiple times. I affected as much change as I could, and then I really had to sit with myself and and say, and I invite the listener or your soul listener to ask, like, who am I trying to prove something to? Because it's not me anymore. If you're trying to prove something to yourself, that's one thing.

00:11:19:05 - 00:11:37:20

Elizabeth Webb

Like if you're hitting going beyond your own personal glass ceiling and going, okay, I'm not going to leave because I feel uncomfortable, I'm not going to leave because this is hard. I'm not going to leave and let that guy win. I'm going to stay because I'm proving this to myself. And this is between me and me. That's a different thing.

00:11:37:22 - 00:12:01:15

Elizabeth Webb

And you can say that that's not advisable either on some levels. But I had gone through my personal boundaries or like boundaries. Yeah, I didn't mean to say that was a Freudian slip. I did mean to say that word. I had gone through and overridden some of my personal boundaries, but I'd also broken through my upper limits and my work.

00:12:01:15 - 00:12:23:06

Elizabeth Webb

There was it was done. And it was that meeting where they were like, okay, we need to hear Elizabeth's thoughts. Elizabeth got the microphone. Never in that meeting. And at the end of it, they kind of like looked at each other and they were like, yeah. She didn't talk. Oh, well. Time's up. We all have places to go.

00:12:23:06 - 00:12:46:02

Elizabeth Webb

Okay? And like, the boardroom dissipated and I was like, what are we doing here? And I think that everything that I was proving on principle to myself, my work was complete. And now I was proving beyond like I was proving something culturally. I was proving that a woman could make it. I was proving, but not to me.

00:12:46:04 - 00:13:24:18

Elizabeth Webb

Not to God. Not to my soul. So, the staying on principle, it it had expired and I put in my notice and, I've never felt so free is when I put in my notice. I like the part of me that felt like I had to on principle. I really let that go. And that's something that I continue to release at different moments of my life, especially when I realize, and this is something that I keep having to check myself on, especially when I realize I'm mostly doing it for other people.

00:13:24:20 - 00:13:51:09

Elizabeth Webb

I have a blind spot around this because I think, I'm doing the right thing. I'm doing the right thing, I'm doing the right thing, and then I'll check myself somewhere along the way when I'm feeling exhausted or martyred and go like, oh, am I really doing this for who am I being? Who's this serving, this righteousness that I feel like, like that's not the highest part of myself.

00:13:51:09 - 00:14:00:00

Elizabeth Webb

So I'm bleeding my energy to something that's not actually mine, which means I'm out of alignment. We need to correct this, Elizabeth.

00:14:00:02 - 00:14:25:13

Erica Rooney

I love talking about this idea of being, like, the only. And I gotta give a plug for my girl, Angela Chai, who wrote a book called The Power of the Only. And I think there is a lot of great power in being the only in many instances, but also in situations especially like yours. It can be really frustrating.

00:14:25:19 - 00:14:42:12

Erica Rooney

It could be angering, like you could feel all of these different emotions. And the reason I want to drill down here is because I know that we have people who are listening who are like, I am the only you fill in the blank, write executive on the team, the woman in the PM group, what have you.

00:14:42:12 - 00:14:43:13

Elizabeth Webb

Woman at color.

00:14:43:17 - 00:15:08:17

Erica Rooney

White, women of color, LGBTQ plus the you know, the only black LGBTQ plus person like there are so many because we live in such a diverse world. But you know, in corporate world it doesn't look like that. And so I guess what I want to ask you is if you're not in that position to leave yet, right? And you're not staying on principle, right?

00:15:08:17 - 00:15:36:21

Erica Rooney

You're there to, like we said earlier, make, make those ends meet, fill the gaps, serve the purpose. All right. What kind of advice would you give for those onlys to not just survive it, but be able to stay positive and focused and not feel like the responsibility is all on them to change the whole thing?

00:15:36:23 - 00:16:05:23

Elizabeth Webb

Yeah, that's a beautiful question. So there's part of this that's more practical than I want it to be. Right. So I think we could all stand to take a page out of the Pragmatic Goddess handbook, where if you're in a situation where you need to say, somebody reframed the question like somebody wants to leave, but they can't yet, for whatever reason.

00:16:06:01 - 00:16:12:06

Elizabeth Webb

So I'll answer it that way. If you want to leave, but you can't yet.

00:16:12:08 - 00:16:39:05

Elizabeth Webb

There's multiple things to do. First one is there must be some compartmentalizing that happens in your system, like the marriage that you can't leave yet. Right? Like, women stay in all kinds of bad marriages because they feel that they can't leave yet the nanny, or because of the kids, or because of practical reasons. And to not be tortured.

00:16:39:05 - 00:17:09:10

Elizabeth Webb

In that scenario, you really have to concentrate on how it's serving you for a period of time. So the first thing I would say is put an end date in your calendar so that your soul and your subconscious knows this isn't forever. So when you experience the injustice or the whatever it is that's toxic constantly, when you're experiencing that, your subconscious and your soul is not going and this is forever.

00:17:09:10 - 00:17:26:15

Elizabeth Webb

It's like, no, it's not forever. It's for the next nine months. Or no, it's not forever. It's for the next six months or a year and a half. And I can't tell you what that timeline is, but I would say market and put it actually in your calendar, which I've done with many women clients. I put the date in your calendar.

00:17:26:17 - 00:18:07:11

Elizabeth Webb

Even if something were to happen with the date where you had to extend a bit, having that will calm a piece of you that's like, I can't handle this forever. Also too, really concentrating on the safety that you're getting and amplifying that for yourself as much as possible. So like utilizing the tools that you're being provided, you know, whether it's the insurance, whether it's the desk, whether it's that the perks, the gym, the everything that's cushy about that really liking using those things and also to whatever part of you that's not being fed.

00:18:07:13 - 00:18:32:05

Elizabeth Webb

So it could be your purpose on the planet, it could be your mission, it could be your need to affect change or create an impact that you can't do there. Make sure you're feeding that in in another way so that your soul is going like, okay, well, no, I'm not in love with this environment or what I do like I'm not going to be able to be the one that trailblazers this to the top at this company.

00:18:32:05 - 00:18:57:06

Elizabeth Webb

Or I could, but it's going to kill my spirit over time. Take that fire to change the world or be, you know, advocate for the only and use it in another way. Maybe mentor. A young girl who's the only in her situation and funnel that desire. So that need in you is getting met.

00:18:57:08 - 00:19:13:14

Erica Rooney

That's good. That's good advice because I know so many women who do feel stuck you know and they're biding their time. But it's just so stressful when you're in that situation. And so with all that being said it does say that again a.

00:19:13:14 - 00:19:25:02

Elizabeth Webb

Lot of toleration and I would say toxic toleration. And that's why it's so important to put the end date in that you can handle. I like that.

00:19:25:04 - 00:19:26:00

Erica Rooney

Toleration.

00:19:26:00 - 00:19:31:12

Elizabeth Webb

You really feel you can do this without like, you know, whatever.

00:19:31:17 - 00:19:33:03

Erica Rooney

Losing your shit.

00:19:33:05 - 00:19:43:20

Elizabeth Webb

Getting sick, punching a wall, like losing your shit. Right? Going off on somebody and for everyone, that number is going to be different. And it needs to be realistic for your financial situation.

00:19:43:22 - 00:19:44:22

Erica Rooney

Yeah.

00:19:45:00 - 00:20:12:07

Elizabeth Webb

I'm not one of these irresponsible coaches. That's like, just bring my well, I've seen a lot of people do that and put themselves in really bad situations. So once in a blue moon, it works out and you'll hear stories like that. But we don't often hear the stories of like extreme stress and crisis that that can cause being that reactive about your choices.

00:20:12:07 - 00:20:16:13

Elizabeth Webb

So create a bridge for yourself. Create a bridge. That's it.

00:20:16:15 - 00:20:42:08

Erica Rooney

Well, I'm gonna create a bridge and we're going to take a left turn away from surviving toxic workplaces. Yeah, we're going to talk about joy because this is what your book Made For magic is all about. I think the tagline is a practical guide from survival mode to soul satisfying joy. Yeah, and I gotta be honest with you, girl, that sounds fantastic.

00:20:42:10 - 00:20:43:17

Elizabeth Webb

Yeah, I don't know that.

00:20:43:17 - 00:20:53:17

Erica Rooney

I know that many women that really feel like they have this soul satisfying joy. It feels so aspirational. So I need the download from you.

00:20:53:18 - 00:20:54:08

Elizabeth Webb

Totally.

00:20:54:13 - 00:21:01:05

Erica Rooney

How do we get it? What kind of things can we start to put into place? So that we can bring more joy into our lives?

00:21:01:07 - 00:21:31:18

Elizabeth Webb

Sure. So the first thing that needs to get addressed when I talk about soul satisfying joy is the epidemic of exhaustion. Because the epidemic of exhaustion is real. We all know it. And what that creates for women is they think they don't have time or bandwidth to create soul satisfying joy, because in their off time, they're just either resting or what I call blabbing.

00:21:31:20 - 00:22:01:01

Elizabeth Webb

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with blabbing. Blabbing is like, do I mean, there might be something wrong with it? It's the doom scroll. It's the, binging a show two seasons and calling that rest like that's something else. That's lobbying, that's checking out. That's numbing. After you just, like, worked your ass off for somebody else's vision all day long or whatever, and the time that you had left, there's numbing or there's just passing out.

00:22:01:01 - 00:22:37:10

Elizabeth Webb

There's just that's what's happening. So in order to talk about soul satisfying joy, we need to address that. That's something that's happening. And I'm not going to tell you you need to quit your job in order to create soul satisfying joy. You don't. However, you do need more spaciousness and bandwidth. And what I would recommend doing that the Practical goddess part of me is going to say schedule things that make you feel alive.

00:22:37:12 - 00:23:06:13

Elizabeth Webb

Put them in your calendar. You may need an accountability partner actually to get there depending on your personality type. I actually do like it, but I'm exhausted and I'm burning the candle at both ends. I'm not going to miss that improv class or that dance class. That salsa class if I have a friend meeting me there. But if I don't have a friend meeting me there, the chances of me canceling on myself are high.

00:23:06:15 - 00:23:07:09

Erica Rooney

Yep.

00:23:07:11 - 00:23:48:10

Elizabeth Webb

They shouldn't be, but they are. So it's like, know thyself and set yourself up for success around that. Put in your calendar things that bring you alive and if you don't know what they are, I would say take this on as a research project that fast forward to the end of our life, which we're all going to have that death bed moment where you're taking your last breath, that woman, that version of you is going to wish that you've done this all along, that if you don't know what brings you joy because you're too exhausted to even metabolize that question, you're like, oh, if that question annoys you, that lets me know that you need

00:23:48:10 - 00:24:09:14

Elizabeth Webb

it more than anyone else I know. Like there's because I get that from women. They're like self satisfying joy. Like having a glass of wine and a nap. And I'm like, I hear you. And also, too, I'm hearing a soul call for more expansion and that being in your calendar.

00:24:09:16 - 00:24:11:09

Elizabeth Webb

That's a non-negotiable.

00:24:11:11 - 00:24:11:19

Erica Rooney

Yeah.

00:24:11:21 - 00:24:50:01

Elizabeth Webb

So if you know what that is, but you're just not doing it, it needs to go in the calendar and it needs to be held as sacred as a client meeting or whatever that thing is that you cannot miss. That doctor's appointment that took months to get. It needs to be held with that level of sacredness. And as a culture, you know, burned out women, which most of us are, on some level, we're not going I'm going to put this in my calendar and hold this sacred that lights my soul on fire and replenishes me because it just we always think it's for another day.

00:24:50:03 - 00:25:04:23

Elizabeth Webb

And I'm going to propose to you that it's not for another day, and that over time it will replenish you and give you life back. But at first it's counterintuitive because you think you're too exhausted to start.

00:25:05:01 - 00:25:37:20

Erica Rooney

Yeah, I think where we really struggle with this, though, Elizabeth is like number one, we live in a capitalistic society, so we always want more, more, more, and we always want to do it faster, faster, faster. And I think women especially need to be realistic about their bandwidth. One of the things that I've been coaching, the women who are in her collective, which is my private coaching, community, is that we always plan and optimize for our best day when everything goes according to plan.

00:25:38:02 - 00:26:00:06

Erica Rooney

Right. And then what happens is we get a shitty night of sleep. We have 16 hot flashes, so we miss our morning workout, and then a kid gets sick. So you have to go pick them up from the daycare. And so I'm trying to, I hate to say, have people lower the bar and lower their expectations, but it's about being realistic.

00:26:00:07 - 00:26:01:05

Elizabeth Webb

Sure.

00:26:01:06 - 00:26:22:03

Erica Rooney

Yeah. One other thing. I love that you said and I wanted to just make a note of it, is I do think we're at this turning point for a lot of women in our generation where they are recognizing that they are totally burnt out and that all the things they do, they're trying to some sort of productivity measurement.

00:26:22:03 - 00:26:40:11

Erica Rooney

Right? So they're being like, you know what? I'm going to hang out with my friend and get a workout class done because then I'm being productive while I'm hanging out with my friend. You know, it's like we always have to make get productive. And so one of the women in her collective, she had the best, like New Year's Resolution vibe.

00:26:40:11 - 00:26:52:06

Erica Rooney

And she got it from her like seven year old daughter who when she asked her daughter, what do you want? What do you want? You know, you're kind of resolution to be. And she was like, I think I want to have more fun in 2026.

00:26:52:08 - 00:26:52:22

Elizabeth Webb

Yes.

00:26:52:22 - 00:27:08:19

Erica Rooney

And I was like, hell yeah. Girl. Like who don't want to have more fun. And so that woman who's in her collective was like, that is going to be my goal, and I'm not going to tie it to productivity measures. So doing things like art for fun.

00:27:08:21 - 00:27:10:03

Elizabeth Webb

And.

00:27:10:05 - 00:27:25:09

Erica Rooney

I mean painting or learning a new language, not because you feel like you want to be bilingual, but because you're curious and you want to understand. Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl. I don't know, but I just I think we're at that inflection point, and I would love to hear your thoughts about it.

00:27:25:11 - 00:27:49:02

Elizabeth Webb

Sure. So fun is almost a lost art for high achieving women, and I would love to follow the leadership of this seven year old daughter and her mom. Right. And and look to the children who are doing things because they like it.

00:27:49:04 - 00:27:50:02

Erica Rooney

Yeah.

00:27:50:04 - 00:28:22:13

Elizabeth Webb

Period. They're not. It's like they like it. They enjoy it. It feels good. They're singing out loud because they like it. They're dancing in their kitchen because they like it. They're playing with their friend because they like that friend, not because it's strategic networking. You know, it's like, let's bring back this idea of the luxury of doing things because they're enjoyable.

00:28:22:13 - 00:28:49:15

Elizabeth Webb

And I want to put in a little note for our high achieving babes like watch this. Also, if you start having fun, watch you and yourself try to turn it into something that's productive. Oh my gosh, I'm painting. Turns out I love painting. You know what I should do? I should start a paint studio for all the moms in town so that they can all go somewhere and paint.

00:28:49:17 - 00:29:08:15

Elizabeth Webb

No or yes, but like, don't lose fun for the sake of pleasure, joy for the sake of joy. And just allowing it to be that and letting that be righteous and beautiful as a part of your reality.

00:29:08:17 - 00:29:16:11

Erica Rooney

Oh, that is so beautiful. And Elizabeth, I know you have like a freebie that goes along with your book. Do you want to tell us about it right now?

00:29:16:13 - 00:29:38:18

Elizabeth Webb

Yes, sure. So I wrote the book that I needed, and I wrote the book that my clients needed. And in this book, there's a whole chapter about joy. There's a whole chapter I also navigate, like all of the ways that women give away our power and then calling it back. And how do we do that in practical, step by step ways.

00:29:38:20 - 00:30:00:07

Elizabeth Webb

So this book, I will tell you, you will love it. It will change your life. And if you want to go to made for magic book icon that's made for Magic book.com, we will send you the first chapter for free and you can see if it's your cup of tea. Most people go and get the book on Amazon after that or before that.

00:30:00:07 - 00:30:22:04

Elizabeth Webb

It is available on Amazon. But even if you just got the first chapter, which is all about how to reclaim and reignite hope in areas where hope and dreaming have them lost, even if you just read the first chapter, that will change your life. So that's my gift to you, and it's been such a pleasure to share my energy and my light with you.

00:30:22:04 - 00:30:23:14

Elizabeth Webb

It's just been a joy.

00:30:23:16 - 00:30:32:23

Erica Rooney

Oh my gosh, I love it. And I'm gonna say, y'all don't waste your time just getting a free chapter. Go get the whole damn book. Okay? Like it is worth it. Right? And the book.

00:30:32:23 - 00:30:45:16

Elizabeth Webb

Is also out now and the audiobook just dropped last week. So if you want to listen to me, read you all. Well, Abi, that's going to wake you up. Back up while you're working out. Go for it.

00:30:45:18 - 00:30:50:03

Erica Rooney

Oh, y'all, by that way, see the fuck up. That is a beautiful.

00:30:50:05 - 00:30:56:12

Elizabeth Webb

Yeah, I'll read it to you here. We can be on the elliptical and I'll be reading it to you. You can do that. Your permission.

00:30:56:14 - 00:31:18:02

Erica Rooney

Oh my gosh, Elizabeth, thank you so much for coming, for sharing your joy and your magic and everything that you have done for this book and for all the women that you work with. Now, y'all, in today's conversation lit a fire under you. Don't keep it to yourself, okay? Share this episode with a friend. Drop a review. Let's keep the conversation going.

00:31:18:03 - 00:31:35:16

Erica Rooney

Bonus points if you share it on LinkedIn. Okay? Remember, your potential is limitless and the only thing standing in your way are those sticky floors, but you have the power to break through them. So go out there, take up some damn space, and let's shatter some ceilings together.