Rising After Cancer: A Journey with Lisa Ellis

Rising After Cancer: A Journey with Lisa Ellis

Overcoming Cancer: Lisa Ellis on Resilience and Recovery

In this episode of 'Open Forum in The Villages, Florida,' host Mike Roth interviews Lisa Ellis, an author, entrepreneur, and real estate investor. Lisa shares her journey of being diagnosed with and overcoming endometrial cancer, discussing her treatment options, the support from her loved ones, and her use of humor to cope. She talks about the lifestyle changes she made, including healthier eating habits, and how she overcame her fear of cancer recurrence. Lisa also discusses her book, 'Rising After Cancer,' which provides insights and strategies to help others through similar experiences. The episode emphasizes resilience, humor, and proactive health management in the face of life-threatening diagnoses.

00:00 Welcome to Season Seven
00:32 Meet Lisa Ellis: Author and Entrepreneur
00:46 Rising After Cancer: Lisa's Journey
02:23 Diagnosis and Treatment
07:13 The Role of Humor in Recovery
13:15 Fear of Recurrence and Moving Forward
15:34 Alzheimer's Tip from Dr. Craig Curtis
16:58 Healthy Eating and Lifestyle Changes
19:51 Rising After Cancer: Book Details
23:56 Advice for the Younger Generation
27:13 Conclusion and Supporter Shout Outs

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Rising After Cancer: A Journey with Lisa Ellis

Lisa Ellis - Final Cut

[00:00:00] Speaker: Welcome to Season seven of Open Forum in The Villages of Florida. In this show, we talk to leaders of clubs and interesting folks who live in and around The Villages. We also talk to people who have information vital to seniors. You will get perspectives of what is happening in The Villages, Florida area.

We are a listener supported podcast. There will be shout outs for supporters.

[00:00:29] Mike Roth: This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in The Villages, Florida. I'm here today, Lisa Ellis. Lisa, thanks for joining me. 

[00:00:36] Lisa Ellis: Thank you, Mike. 

[00:00:38] Mike Roth AI4: Lisa's an author. As well as having a background as an entrepreneur and a real estate investor. And she's gonna be talking today about. Her book called Rising After Cancer. Now Lisa comes from a background where she, I guess worked in a company in finance.

[00:00:56] Lisa Ellis: I did international corporate finance. I say that was my prior life. Your prior life. 

[00:01:03] Mike Roth: Okay. And when did you become an entrepreneur? 

[00:01:07] Lisa Ellis: Probably right around 2003 actually, if I had to do a definitive point in time, and I had just decided, I thought, okay, I don't want somebody else to have control over my future.

I want to be in the driver's seat, and how can I accomplish that? So in 2003. That's what I decided to do is basically branch out, become an entrepreneur, and my first dip in the pool of entrepreneurialship was actually a consulting business, so I consulted small businesses in a variety of different things, primarily centered around like accounting software and systems of that nature.

[00:01:49] Mike Roth: Okay. Stuff you had learned in your prior life. 

[00:01:52] Lisa Ellis: Exactly. 

[00:01:53] Mike Roth: A lot of people do that and. Why do you decide to write this book Rising After Cancer? 

[00:01:58] Lisa Ellis: I actually decided to write it because I had. Thought I had this picture, perfect life going. So essentially, my husband and I had just built our dream house.

It was March of 2024 and we thought, okay, everything's coming together. This is the best moment. We've got the new house, we've got our other house sold, and under contract, everything's going well. And then all of a sudden I got diagnosed with cancer. And that was basically like a week after we had just moved into our new house.

So I'm thinking, okay, this really knocked me for a loop. And there have to be other people out there who feel the same way that I do. 

[00:02:41] Mike Roth: What symptoms did you have that led you to. Being diagnosed. 

[00:02:45] Lisa Ellis: Actually, it's funny because I had just weird random symptoms. So I'd been trying to exercise more, lose weight, all of those things.

And I had some groin pain and some numbness and I thought, oh, maybe a hernia, maybe something of that nature. And I just started going down this testing path to figure out what it was. And you can imagine. Cancer hit me, straight through the heart. It was a very difficult diagnosis and certainly something I did not expect.

[00:03:19] Mike Roth: How long did that diagnosis take? 

[00:03:21] Lisa Ellis: From start to finish, probably like two and a half months. Oh, 

[00:03:25] Mike Roth: that's not too bad. Yeah. And, you, what type of cancer was it? 

[00:03:30] Lisa Ellis: It's in the endometrial family, so it's a endometrial cancer, which is a gynecological cancer. It has a huge name, which is Endometrial Edema carcinoma.

And it's usually. Older ladies who get that diagnosis. So I was not a typical patient for my surgeon and my surgical team. 

[00:03:54] Mike Roth: Do you think that helped you in your recovery? Being younger. 

[00:03:58] Lisa Ellis: Maybe a little bit. I think just having the, okay, I have so much life still to live.

And so many things I still want to accomplish. I'm not going to accept defeat and just move through the process. Figure out what I need to do to get back to being healthy, and then really realizing how many parts of my life were impacted in ways that I hadn't imagined. 

[00:04:25] Mike Roth: What kind of treatment did they give you?

[00:04:27] Lisa Ellis: I actually had a couple of options. They say you can have chemo, you can do targeted immunotherapy, and you can also do surgical. They give you the background information on that and then reading material. And then from that they say, okay, what are you leaning to?

And once you make that decision, then they go with, okay, here's what's gonna happen as a result of that. And one of the things that came up during that whole time was just the fact that I didn't. Really consider how many religious implications and things like that came up. So that was something that was new for me, and it was actually one of the first questions that my doctors had asked.

With these options, are there any religious beliefs that you hold that would. Say that you cannot have this type of treatment. So that was something I wasn't expecting or prepared for. 

[00:05:27] Mike Roth: So were there religious beliefs that got in the way of your treatment? 

[00:05:29] Lisa Ellis: Not in my case actually. I just figured I probably wanted to heal and I thought God's on my side with healing, so I am just going to go 

Is on my heart and what's the best course for me. 

[00:05:44] Mike Roth: So what course did you pursue? 

[00:05:46] Lisa Ellis: I did surgical. 

[00:05:48] Mike Roth: Surgical, 

[00:05:48] Lisa Ellis: yes. And what that entails is you get prepped for surgery, you have a lot of the surgical pre requirements, so heart. Checks a bunch of testing, and then they basically tell you that the treatment for mine was full hysterectomy.

Which I don't know if that's PC to talk about, but that's what the treatment was. And then they do a. Node mapping, which basically is they take some of your lymph nodes, and the reason that they're doing that is they're trying to figure out how far the cancer has penetrated and what stage you are. So they stage you out at that point too.

And then that determines if you need to research chemotherapy or immunotherapy. 

[00:06:34] Mike Roth: So what stage were you at? 

[00:06:36] Lisa Ellis: I was a one, thankfully. I was super fast and super early, and even just like getting into that a little bit. So with the move. And my husband and I building our new house, I didn't have any doctors up here, so it was really like, oh my God, what am I gonna do?

But fortunately everything lined up and from the time that I got the call saying I had cancer to, the time that I had surgery was only like two and a half weeks. So it was really fast. 

[00:07:08] Mike Roth: And where did you have your surgery? 

[00:07:10] Lisa Ellis: In Orlando. 

[00:07:11] Mike Roth: Okay. Good. And you have a mindset of humor that helped you in the healing process.

Can you explain that for our listeners? Yes. I like to be lighthearted and not take life too seriously. So one of the things that happens is you start to notice all the funny little quirky things around you, and you start to lean into those and just basically say, okay. This really stinks that I have cancer and my mind, body, spirit are totally divergent right now.

[00:07:44] Lisa Ellis: They're not on the same page. So how can I use humor to bring those things back together? And so my husband was a big part of this, my friends were as well, and I would just look for funny, stupid little things that would make me laugh. And one very tangible incident was I told my sister, I've lived this amazingly safe life. I'm not really a drinker. Never smoked, never tried drugs, any of that stuff. And I said to my sister, I'm throwing caution to the wind. And she's okay, what does that look like? And I said, I think I'm going to pick up skydiving. And my sister said wait a second.

You're afraid of heights, right? And I said. Yeah, that's still true. And she said, okay, so here's what I want you to do. I want you to have Carl, who is my husband, just start by pushing you off the bed and see how you feel about falling from that height before you take it to the next level and just move up from there.

And just that like stupid banter. Made me laugh so hard, and I'm only like at this point, less than a day post-op, so my stomach hurts and just everything hurts and is swelling, and I'm laughing so hard that I can't breathe. So I thought I really need to focus on more moments like that and not be so consumed with death or so consumed with a diagnosis.

That you forget, Hey, I'm still here. There's still life. And that's actually a big part of the reason that I wrote my book because in Rising After Cancer, you're really. Like for so many instances in the treatment process, and even now as I go through and get my screenings and my periodic checkups, you're so focused on death.

You're literally like surrounded by it that it's easy to just fall into that and just. Shrink and say, okay, I can't travel anymore. I can't take the flights I wanna do because I can't be, 10 hours away from my doctor. You actually can. And so I. In talking with other ladies that had similar forms of cancer, had really listened to how many of them did the same thing, and they were just petrified about recurrence and being afraid and saying, it felt like that was a death sentence and that was game over.

And I want people who are maybe going through the treatment process and maybe. Not through it quite yet to realize there is life on that other side and there are still things you can do. And really it's your choice to go out and do those things. 

[00:10:23] Mike Roth: It's interesting about humor and recovery. 'cause my brother went through treatment for a rare blood cancer.

Wow. And he had to have a bone marrow transplant. At first he asked me if I wanted to donate, and turned out I wasn't compatible. his son was and he had a very long recovery in isolation and every day he was in isolation. I would send him a joke or a funny pun.

To brighten up his day. 

[00:10:54] Lisa Ellis: And I think that's so important because you just forget. You forget that there are still things that are funny and even one of the things that my husband had told me when I came out of surgery, I'm notoriously cold. So anytime you see me with the temperature, drops below 70.

I'm going to have a jacket. My gloves are gonna be somewhere nearby. And it's just this funny thing. And he said, literally when you came outta surgery, you're wrapped up and you're totally in these blankets and you're just covered. And he said, I thought, why are your teeth chattering? I couldn't even find you in all these blankets.

And that was really a funny moment because I'm like, okay, that's so me and I'm still here. And that was just insightful for me to say, okay, I need to really look at the humorous moments. And I'm sure your brother appreciated that as well. Oh 

[00:11:43] Mike Roth: yeah. Yeah, he still does. And he's probably.

Four or five years postpone bone marrow transplant very well. Wow. Now how did your cancer diagnosis affect your spouse, family, friends? 

[00:11:57] Lisa Ellis: Really, it was strange because I don't think you realize how much it does affect the people around you because, you have this weird thing where you have the diagnosis and it's almost like you don't wanna talk to anybody about it.

So the people who knew I was having testing, I just. I think I sent them a text with basically probably a couple of colorful words in it and just said, I have cancer. I don't wanna talk about it. And I just put those out there. And then it was a weird thing because you don't really realize, like my spouse, he was being strong for me.

And the people around me are being strong for me because, they don't want. You to know they're freaking out with you. They want you to think, okay, this is no big deal. And they're trying to basically keep you in that frame of mind, oh, it's no big deal, it's just routine. I'm gonna get through this and it's gonna be fine.

And then at the same time, they're doing things that are enriching your life. Basically can I get you anything? Do you want me to come and sit with you? Can I cook dinner for you? And it's overwhelming a little bit, but it's also very nice. And you don't realize how engaged they are in helping you heal.

[00:13:15] Mike Roth: Do you have a fear of, the cancer recurring. 

[00:13:18] Lisa Ellis: Absolutely. And as I went through writing Rising After Cancer, I realized and read a statistic that basically 59% of the people who have cancer fear recurrence, and it's very normal. So you'll do something silly, like cough, or you feel a new pain and you're like.

Oh my God, is that the cancer coming back? Should I be worried about that? Do I need to schedule an appointment? And then you go, oh no, I did try a new Pilates move. Or I started lifting weights. So it's probably nothing but in the back of your head. It's always there. And I'm basically a year and a half.

Post the treatment heavy treatment phase. So I'm in where you have that followup appointments and things like that, but I have a total of five years of that. So for the next five years, you still get that jarring where you go back in and you're doing these tests and you're like, oh, I just want to forget about that.

[00:14:23] Mike Roth: So how do you move on from the fear? 

[00:14:26] Lisa Ellis: Really I don't wanna say distractions, but that's the easiest way to do it, is I started out distracting myself by getting really engaged in other stuff I was doing. So my husband and I do real estate investing and just throwing yourself into that and then you realize.

Okay, in the back of my head, in the quiet times, that feeling or fear of recurrence, it's actually still there and still very active. So when that comes up, you just have to call it out and say what it is, okay, I'm having this test and I'm afraid of their results. Okay. And. Accept that you feel that way and say I know what I have to do if the results come back bad.

And then you actually go out and you do that thing. So it's you go from fear to work in the scenarios to being okay with those scenarios. And then you definitely have to do your part. so by that do what your doctors tell you. Listen to your body, eat better lose weight.

So one of the things that my doctor had told me that was very 

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[00:16:56] Mike Roth: Thank you. Dr. Curtis. Lisa, you were talking about eating, right? 

[00:17:00] Lisa Ellis: Yes. 

[00:17:01] Mike Roth: How did you change your eating habits? since you've been in recovery? 

[00:17:05] Lisa Ellis: One of the warning things that my doctor said, and I just asked him finally, what's the chance of this coming back?

And he said the biggest thing is lose weight. And stay away from soy. And I said why lose weight? And he said, the cancer you have, it loves fat, it loves all of those bad things. So the heavier that you are, the more a chance you're going to have of a recurrence. for me I grew up as a beefy kid.

And I would still say I'm on the heavier side. 

[00:17:36] Mike Roth: But you're on the taller side. 

[00:17:38] Lisa Ellis: Yes. Yes. I am tall, although I'm the hunch in my family, but I am the tallest taller I would say than an average person, I just made a lot of small changes because I've been on every diet you can imagine. You name one, I've been on it.

And 

[00:17:54] Mike Roth: you've been on the Mediterranean Diet? 

[00:17:56] Lisa Ellis: I have been. 

[00:17:58] Mike Roth: Did you try the Mind Diet? 

[00:17:59] Lisa Ellis: No, I haven't heard of that one. Oh, you threw me for a loop on that one. But Paleo, whole 30, south Beach, all of those, and what I've found just about myself and my personality is anytime you. Say, okay, this is the last time you're going to eat whatever.

That doesn't really work for me, so I'm not going to stick with that. And I am gonna have the cookie or I'm going to eat pasta. So what I really started to do was, first I didn't do anything with soy. So if I'm. Eating. I took out everything that had soy. 

[00:18:36] Mike Roth: Why soy? 

[00:18:37] Lisa Ellis: My doctor had told me that because my cancer was hormonally positive, that soy can have a negative effect on your hormones.

So he just said stay away from it. And that. Is going to help you out quite a bit. And then I did give up fast food, so I don't need any fast food. I gave up things like, I'm originally from Wisconsin, so I'm a big Friday night fish fry girl. I don't do that as much. Instead of every week, maybe, once a quarter or something like that.

[00:19:10] Mike Roth: So you're eating healthier? Yes, absolutely. 

Okay. But you haven't turned into a vegetarian? 

[00:19:15] Lisa Ellis: No, I still eat meat, but now it's higher quality, I would say. So I pay attention to how it's grown. Is it pasture raised, is it free range, organic, all of those sorts of things. And then I've also limited like.

How much red meat I eat, so I might only eat that once a week. So it's just a variety but minimally processed. So I'm never buying anything prepackaged or pre-prepared. Pretty much sticking to that rule where you're just in the outside external areas of the supermarket. 

[00:19:49] Mike Roth: Yeah, I understand that completely.

Now tell the listeners a little bit about your book Rising After Cancer. When is that going to be available? 

[00:19:56] Lisa Ellis: It's actually available now, so it came out in the paper bag version on Black Friday, which was nice. It talks a lot about some of the techniques that I use to get past the fear of recurrence and even do some things that I wanted to be able to do and how to make it better.

Feeling like healing your mind, your body, and your spirit, but then also really getting back into a flow where you're connected with life and engaged in creating a life that you actually want to create instead of going backwards and just saying, okay, now I've got a downgrade because everything's about my diagnosis and everything's about my health.

[00:20:38] Mike Roth: So what were the positive changes that you made? 

[00:20:40] Lisa Ellis: I actually started to do a lot of travel things that were on my bucket list that I was afraid to do. For example, I missed an international trip to Barcelona, so we were supposed to go, I actually canceled and said. I don't wanna do that because I can't be more than 10 hours away from my doctor.

It just freaks me out too much. But this past summer, we went saline in Croatia, and the way I was able to deal with that was just basically say, okay, what's making me nervous? And one of the things was, yes, I'm away from my doctors, my insurance in the United States. Doesn't translate to Croatia. And just being nervous about having so many flights.

So I started to dig into that and say, what could I do to make that better? 

[00:21:32] Mike Roth: And what'd you do? 

[00:21:33] Lisa Ellis: I actually bought international health insurance, so you can buy it. I used an app called Freely, but there are a lot of different apps out there that. Pretty much do similar things and looked at the policies and just really thought, okay, what's going to make me feel more comfortable?

And then I just bought that health insurance policy and I'm like, okay, that'll make me feel a lot more comfortable and trip insurance in case something went wrong. And also things like. Because of my lymph nodes being removed, I'm technically immunocompromised. And being in that tight space freaked me out a little bit with all those different microbes and bacteria.

So I went to my general physician and just basically said, Hey, these are the countries I'm traveling to. Can you write prescriptions for me for things that I might run into? And then I got those prescriptions filled before. If I did have issues, I was prepared to take care of 'em instead of scrambling after the fact.

[00:22:35] Mike Roth: My wife and I just came back from a Mediterranean set of cruises in and out of Barcelona. 

[00:22:41] Lisa Ellis: Oh, nice. 

[00:22:42] Mike Roth: And my doctor prescribed antibiotics for both of us and, flu shots before we left and said that, COVID wasn't so bad this year. More like a common cold. Don't bother with that one, but make sure you have the RSV shot.

And I guess it was, whooping cough. 

[00:22:58] Lisa Ellis: Oh yeah. I didn't think about that one. 

[00:23:00] Mike Roth: I had to have a booster for hooping cough. 

[00:23:03] Lisa Ellis: Wow. 

[00:23:04] Mike Roth: So your book is available now as a paperback? 

[00:23:07] Lisa Ellis: It is. 

[00:23:07] Mike Roth: Okay. Is it available as a Kindle book? 

[00:23:11] Lisa Ellis: It is. I do have it as a ebook right now, and that was actually available first, so that was available about a week before the paperback version.

[00:23:21] Mike Roth: Okay. Are you thinking about turning it into an audio book? 

[00:23:24] Lisa Ellis: I have thought about that, but I haven't actively pursued that yet, so that is something that could be on the table. 

[00:23:30] Mike Roth: Good. And, if people want to ask you a question after the show or contact you how should they do that? 

[00:23:38] Lisa Ellis: They can actually do it through my email, which is just boundlessqwil@gmail.com.

[00:23:44] Mike Roth: Spell that out for our listeners. 

[00:23:46] Lisa Ellis: It's B-O-U-N-D-L-E-S-S-Q-U-I-L-L@GMAIL.COM 

[00:23:56] Mike Roth AI4: Lisa, knowing what you know today, what would you tell a 22 year old Lisa?

[00:24:01] Lisa Ellis: I would probably say start on the healthy stuff sooner, but aside from that, I would say to always pursue your passions and.

Let everything else be secondary to that. So create the life that you want to live and go out there and just go for it. You only get one opportunity. Don't let the little adversities in life knock you off the rail so bad that you forget who you are at your core. 

[00:24:29] Mike Roth: Is there one turning point in your past life that you would wished you would've taken the other road?

[00:24:36] Lisa Ellis: Maybe, and that sounds like a Greys area, but I had gotten a master's degree, so my master's degree is actually in International Corporate Finance. That was my emphasis. I don't know that I would have taken that same path. Now, I think a primary motivator for me to take my MBA was I thought, okay, if I have this, you'll never be laid off.

You'll never run into those kinds of issues and. That's just not accurate. So I would probably investigate that maybe a little bit more than what I did previously. 

[00:25:14] Mike Roth: So your advice to your 22-year-old self would've been don't bother with the MBA? 

[00:25:19] Lisa Ellis: I think education is good. I'm a big advocate for education, so don't get me wrong on that perspective, but more like the achievement of that degree isn't as critical as I thought it would be. So I think there are other things that you can do to gain experience, which make you have similar or same outcomes without the pricing of a master's degree, if that makes sense. 

[00:25:43] Mike Roth: Master's degree carry a price tag in both time, effort, and money.

[00:25:46] Lisa Ellis: Absolutely. And 

[00:25:47] Mike Roth: it doesn't make sense for a lot of people. 

[00:25:50] Lisa Ellis: No. And I just think of the missed opportunities that you have when you do dedicate yourself to something like that. 

[00:25:58] Mike Roth: You got a narrow focus, 

[00:25:59] Lisa Ellis: Right? Absolutely. 

[00:26:00] Mike Roth AI4: So is there anything that you can tell our listeners that would.

Make them want to go out to Amazon and get a copy of your book. 

[00:26:09] Lisa Ellis: Oh actually it's funny because I. Would say that it's a good read. It's short, which people always like short reads. So it takes about an hour to read it, but it has some good tips. And even if you are not a cancer patient, but you survive something life-threatening, a heart attack a critical injury from a car accident or something of that nature, or know somebody who has.

I think it's helpful in that respect that you would be able to get some information which can maybe help you change your focus and really get out of the zone of being, I don't wanna say a victim, but that's the only word that comes to mind. So whatever happens to you, I'm a big believer now that it actually happens for you.

So there's something you're supposed to learn from that. And. I think rising after cancer would help you get to that point where you lose the black Cloud and start living again and get out there and get back to being you. 

[00:27:09] Mike Roth: Great. Thanks for being with us today, Lisa. 

[00:27:11] Lisa Ellis: Thank you, Mike.

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