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Farming & First Aid: Help Save a Life!
A hard truth: UK farming employs a tiny slice of the workforce yet carries a heavy share of workplace deaths. We don’t say that to point fingers—we say it to spark action. This conversation gets practical about first aid on farms: what the law expects, what good looks like for a working farm, and how to build skills that actually stick when seconds matter.
Emma Hann joins us with a rare blend of A&E, 111 and minor injuries experience, now delivering first aid training shaped for agriculture. We unpack the Health and Safety (First-Aid) Regulations 1981 in plain English, then turn that into a simple plan: a needs assessment that considers lone working, visitors, children and ageing teams; well‑placed kits and a clean, private space; clear accident recording; and the right mix of training—from the three‑day First Aid at Work to one‑day essentials and paediatric options. We compare construction’s safety culture with common farm habits and show how tiny changes—quad PPE, short inductions for contractors, a map to the nearest defib—pay back quickly.
You’ll hear the small decisions that change outcomes: cooling a burn for 20 minutes instead of “powering through,” cutting clothing to place defib pads without hesitation, and knowing that adult rescue breaths help while paediatric breaths are vital. We break down CPR basics, defibrillator access quirks, and the social barriers that mean women receive less CPR in public, along with ways to overcome them on farm. The goal is confidence, not perfection: call 999 fast, start compressions, fetch the defib, write it up, rest, and return stronger.
If this episode helped you, share it with your team, map your nearest defibrillator tonight, and subscribe for more practical, no‑nonsense conversations for the UK dairy community. Your next small change might save a life.
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This is the Chewing the Cud Podcast, a podcast for the UK dairy industry, brought to you from the southwest of England and listened to around the world. Hello and welcome to Chewing the Cud Podcast. My name's Andrew Jones, and with me as usual is Sarah Bolt. How are you doing, Sarah?
SPEAKER_00:I'm very well, thank you, Andrew. How are you?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, not too bad. Sun's been shining today, which is always a positive.
SPEAKER_00:Nineteen degrees or thereabouts, I'm led to believe, here in Somerset.
SPEAKER_03:Blimey. Blimey.
SPEAKER_00:Sunny Somerset.
SPEAKER_03:Sunny Somerset. I know I was speaking to someone today that said they were in sunny Cornwall. I said, Well, it's not too bad here in Dorset either. I think I was in Wiltshire at the time, but anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Although it was five degrees this morning, and we did have another frost. So, you know, there's a bit of blaze.
SPEAKER_03:I've got to be honest with you, I haven't seen a frost yet.
SPEAKER_00:Well, when I say frost, it's slightly heavier than a dew, but not a, you know, that sort of between dew and frost.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, we're back talking about the weather again. Um any anyway, as this podcast comes out, uh, it's the will be the first of October, which for us here in the Southwest means it's the uh Southwest Dairy event. So hopefully we'll see some of you there. Be looking forward to that, Sarah.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, it's one of my favourite of the year. I I love it. It's right on our uh home turf, really, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. It's it's our local one, isn't it? Let's be honest. And it's always uh I know people plenty of people say to me, Oh, you're going up to Dairy Day, and it's like, well, I can see most of all the same people and probably more clients down here, so I always prefer to come down here than go to Dairy Day.
SPEAKER_00:So um Yeah, there's always a good lot of friendly faces to be seen anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly, exactly. So hopefully we'll see some of you. And obviously, if you do see us, please come and say hello. Um other than that, I think we've got an interesting topic today. Um, well, and there's a couple of interesting facts come out of it, aren't there? And I mean, we're we're we're not trying to have a go at our industry because it's our industry, but it's just to make people sit up and think about their industry.
SPEAKER_00:I think so, and I think it's such an important topic, whether it's our industry or whether it's actually when you're at home going to the supermarket walking down the street, if you come across somebody that needs first aid, I think it's just as important that we have these skills, you know, across society.
SPEAKER_03:So, you know, I think it's a really interesting uh I'm I'm sure our guests won't mind sharing, but I do remember one time a woman collapsed in the house um on the road completely outside the house, and she just got out of the bar, so we uh had to go in and miss the first aid just in a dressing gown. But that's another story for another day. But uh yes, so today we're talking about first aid. Um, so uh let's go in and see what we've got to say. This podcast has been brought to you today by TuneTheCud Limited, who offer completely independent dairy and beef nutrition. Our signals advice and training along with ROM's mobility scoring. More details on these and other services available, please visit our website www.tunethecud.com or email us directly on nutrition at tune the cud.com. TuneThe Cud Limited now offers first aid training from a registered first aid at work trainer and experienced minor injuries practitioner. For more details, please visit our website www.tunethecud.com or email us directly on training at tune the cud.com. Hello, I'm Andrew Jones.
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SPEAKER_03:Enjoy today's episode. Hello and welcome back to Tune the Cud Podcast. And today our guest is talking about first aid and well a bit of health and safety in general. So um hello, Emma.
SPEAKER_01:Hi.
SPEAKER_03:How are you?
SPEAKER_01:I'm alright, thank you. How are you?
SPEAKER_03:Sorry, this might be a bit awkward to everybody because this is my other half. So this is the poor woman that puts up with me. So sorry, Sarah, we'll we'll we won't turn this into a domestic.
SPEAKER_00:Do I have to sort of referee on the soil?
SPEAKER_03:So so yes, today Emma uh joined the business a couple of months ago and is offering training that some of you may have heard about um via the brand of Tune the Cud Training. So Emma's here to talk about that a little bit, let's be honest. Um, but also just the health and safety or the first aid side, that kind of thing in general. Because when um we had Ollie the fireman on, I remember saying to Emma, Oh, do you know anybody that might be able to talk about this? And he said, Oh, no, not really. Um, and then obviously since then things have changed. You've joined the business, you've become a registered first aid trainer. We're here to talk about that. So, like usual, tell us a little bit about yourself um and how you got to be where you are today.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so um I'm a registered nurse. I qualified in 2010, um, and I spent some time doing the rounds of the awards and everything as all nurses do, and then spent some time in AE. Um and then after our second child was born, decided to leave AE, went to work for 111, and then ended up in a minor injuries unit as well. Um, and then we have been talking for a little while about the necessity for um first aid on farms and how farmers can struggle to fit it in around the other necessary duties on a farm. Um, and it just seemed to make sense that I go off and use my skills in a different way. You know, I'm already expected to teach as a nurse anyway. So going off and using those skills to um become be able to offer a different skill set and be able to offer um support to farmers and offer that training to them in a way that is more flexible and more appropriate for them.
SPEAKER_03:Well, exactly. We we're we are trying to aim to agriculture, whether it's on farm or agriculture-related businesses. But I know the people we've spoken to since you came up with the idea have said, Oh, that's a really good idea because that's something that is maybe missing. Like all these things, once you start knowing you're doing it, you look and you there's loads of people doing first aid, but in the past I'd never even noticed. And I've even had a couple of clients say to me, Oh, wouldn't even know where to start looking. So basically, Emma, I mean, I know when a few people heard about um that you were doing this, they were quite keen. And oh, could we do that? One example, I'll be honest, I got asked was, Oh, I've been to a first aid training course and um they spend half their time having breaks and this and that. Could we do it in four hours? And you came, I came home that night, didn't know it was actually the week you were doing the course, and uh you said, no, I can't. So just I suppose, really, what can or can't you tell us? Where does it all start? What are people expected to do? We've got to talk about the legislation, really, haven't we?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean it's not my favorite part of the subject, but um, you know, the Health and Safety Workers Act is quite clear on the subject. They to the point where in the 74 Act was revised in 1981 with a whole section on first aid at work very, very specifically. Um, and um the NFU for farmers particularly have a really, really good section on their website about the subject for people who are actually interested in the legislation.
SPEAKER_03:But how many of us genuinely are? Let's go. We do what we have to do because that's what we have to do.
SPEAKER_00:Just tell us what we need to do and we'll we'll get on and do it, isn't it? That's probably the attitude of most farmers.
SPEAKER_01:But I think you know, farms have been largely left alone by health and safety executive because they're small businesses. Um but I think as farming changes and develops, they are going to become bigger.
SPEAKER_03:Well, they already have they are becoming bigger, there's fewer and fewer dairy colours.
SPEAKER_01:Employing more people and therefore potentially more people at risk in a farming environment. So I think that you know, savvy farmers will realise that they are going to be more um watched than they have been previously, they are more likely to get visits from the HSE to see what they're up to. Um, and the regulations are clear, farmers must have, or businesses, you know, we're talking about farms today, but all businesses must have a first aid risk assessment undertaken. That should be documented, it should be available on the farm for anybody who needs to see it. Um the regulations say that they must have first aid equipment available and a space for first aid, which is something I think a lot of people don't think about.
SPEAKER_03:No, they don't, definitely not.
SPEAKER_01:It doesn't necessarily have to be a dedicated space, but it should be a clean, calm, quiet environment where there can be some privacy.
SPEAKER_00:Um that's an interesting thing for a lot of farms, isn't it? I've not come across that one before. That's new, that's news to me.
SPEAKER_03:I was gonna say, likewise, and uh and just it's all making me think back, as you say, businesses, farming has changed, you know, growing up as a kid. Mum, dad, uh, a couple of guys worked, and then as I got older myself, and then my year out from college, local farms, seven staff, including the manager, and there was an accident book, and I clearly remember writing a couple of accidents I had in there. There was the uh HSE poster of what's expected. And it I hate to say it now, this is what, 30 years later. How many of the, and no offense to anybody listening, but the mum and dad farms that the traditional family farms have that up. You you don't see it. It's still only those bigger farms that have it, and they are getting more and more of them. I don't think they necessarily need to if they're not employing anybody, but still it doesn't matter that it still comes to health and safety and and first aid and all of the rest.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, law is one thing, but there's also um I suppose for want of a better word, a moral element to it as well, isn't there?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like the law would say I think if you're employing one person, you you have to consider those things. And if you're a family farm who's not technically employing anyone, maybe you don't have to. But would you ever forgive yourself if someone were harmed on your farm, whether an employee, a visitor, um a consultant coming in to see you, all these you might not be employing these people, but they're still coming onto the farm. And if they were injured and you couldn't support that.
SPEAKER_03:Well, if we take a step back and look at the bigger picture, farming is incredibly unsafe if you look at it from the HSE um numbers. I'm sure you've probably got them somewhere to quote, haven't you? But I mean, you know, construction used to be really bad as well, but that's really turned itself around, and farming is still out there, not in a good way, as the leader in terms of accidents per uh per population, or I'm not sure what the metric is.
SPEAKER_01:So the the 2023 figures is kind of the m the most recent I've seen. I know the 24 figures are out, but I haven't seen them. Um and in 2023, farming employed one percent of the working population in this country, yeah, but had 20% of the fatalities at work. That's a huge figure, isn't it? And very sobering thought. It's quite a scary thought, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, it's incredibly dangerous in terms of you're working with stock, you're working with machinery, heights, yeah. All those kinds of things. All of those sorts of things. It it's it it it's uh chemicals.
SPEAKER_01:Chemicals, I mean kosh is is huge, and you know, of course, we should what's kosh? Oh, control of hazardous substances, something harmful to health, or something like that. Control of substances hazardous to health?
SPEAKER_00:That would be about right. Something like that? Something like that. Something like that. People can Google if they really need to. Yeah, hazardous and health creatures on the end, aren't they?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. But but yeah, it it's it's a naturally very dangerous environment that if you're brought up on a farm, you I'm not gonna say blase, but you might you're used to it then. It's what it's what you mean. It's normal, yes. That's that's the West Way, but it's normal to have a tractor or this or that. And I mean, let's be honest, tractors these days are far, far bigger than when I, you know. I mean, when I grew up, the loader tractor was a massive 165, which I then learnt to drive on when I was 12. And these days that's just yeah, they're they're they're so much bigger.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, you're right. The the biggest cause of injury on farm, you know, plus or minus death, the biggest cause of injury on farm is vehicles.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I suppose also things like you know, you want to think about the big vehicles, but actually what about the quad bikes and the little vehicles that that again almost look like toys and people just bomb around the farm on because they're off land, they don't have to worry about protective equipment. Um and that is risky, dangerous.
SPEAKER_00:Wow, yes. I guess coming back to what you were saying about construction, that you go onto a construction site these days, or or you don't go onto a construction site these days until you've been uh escorted on past lots of signs, past all of those, all of those warnings, you're given safety equipment, you do the same thing on farm, and actually we'd probably think that was a bit strange if that happened, but actually, perhaps that's where we should be looking at heading.
SPEAKER_01:Like you say, you you and I would not walk onto a construction site, but members of the public are constantly walking across your farm. They've got legal right of way across your um across your footpath, and you are actually going to have to be responsible for them if something happens.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean you're your your example you were saying there about construction. I certainly remember telling you about it, wasn't it? I earlier this year was asked to go and take some silage samples from a um uh a biodigester site, and before I was even allowed on site, I had to sit down and watch like a 10-minute or whatever it was introduction video, had to be given safety equipment, had to be escorted from the office onto site to take the samples and then off. And I was only on I was probably on site less time than what I watched the video, in all honesty. But it was like, okay, this is oh yeah, it was different, as you say, than what we're used to seeing in agriculture.
SPEAKER_01:Children have to watch a safety video to go and go and play at jumping, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, exactly. Yes, yes, we've trampoline. If they want to go trampolining, they have to watch safety videos too.
SPEAKER_01:Think about letting them, we wouldn't think twice about letting them have a wander across a farmer's field, or you know, we we quite regularly take them to the farm with the milk and they go and look at the animals, and we don't think twice about that, but actually the risks there still exist, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly, exactly. We're just so used to it, or I am, that I know sometimes myself I can be a bit blasé because it's what I've always seen, and I suppose, as much as I hate to say it, I'm getting older and I can't respond as quickly as maybe as what I could have in the past with with walking around cattle and whatever that in compared to what I maybe used to and whatever. But but yes, so as we say, agriculture is a dangerous industry.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it really, really is, and it it isn't keeping up with the times in terms of dealing with those hazards. It just isn't, and there you know it's it's for cleverer people than us to to decide why that is, but I'm sure that making things more accessible, finding ways for it to be easy to identify those risks and to manage those risks. We it's human nature, isn't it? The easier it is to deal with a risk or to deal with anything, the the more likely you are to do it.
SPEAKER_03:But he says some of it, sorry, sorry, I was gonna say it's changed because I remember hearing stories in the past when we went from a manual um levers for the hydraulics to electronics. I remember hearing the story of a couple of older guys, I think got their foot caught in the hitched and that because they couldn't fully um I don't know if understands the right word, but didn't fully yeah, fully understand how to use the hitch electronically.
SPEAKER_00:That lack of training, that lack of training, and it all comes into it. That training becomes an important part, sorry, an important part of health and safety. It really does, isn't it? And actually thinking about, you know, how do we train our staff when we get new staff or when we get new equipment on farm, what how are we going to manage that training to make sure that everybody can use it safely?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I hate to mention it, but you know, obviously I work in the NHS and people are not allowed on a hospital ward until they have done a an extensive package of training. It's usually a two or three days of training before you're allowed onto a hospital ward. Now, a hospital ward we would generally think of as quite a safe environment. It's you know, there shouldn't be too many hads around. And obviously, some of that training is about confidentiality and care and those kinds of things. But a huge chunk of the training that new staff and existing staff have to do every year is health and safety, is fire, is all those things. And again, but we don't think about it. I mean, all small businesses, it's really tempting to sit here because we know that farming has bad numbers, but actually all small businesses are bad for this.
SPEAKER_00:And I think it's because it's the industry that Andra and I both both know very well that we're it's quite easy to pick examples from. But if you say I think it's really good that you're pointing out it's it's not just farming.
SPEAKER_01:No, we're not picking on farmers here at all. Yeah, it it is small businesses in general, but farmers have bigger challenges.
SPEAKER_03:Well, uh I know you're saying we're not we're not picking on farmers, because obviously that's who our listeners are. We're not going to upset them. But we're trying to help make people aware what is required. And while you say all small businesses are not the best, usually because it's one person trying to juggle 101 different things, not they have a dedicated person. Unfortunately, farming is the one with the fatalities.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, farming is is the dangerous one, isn't it? I mean, you these figures are are poor in transport, they're poor in construction. The difference is that in agriculture they've not been improved in transport, you know, lorry drivers, things like that. These these the the numbers have improved over the years. Now, let's be honest with transport businesses, I suspect that's a lot about what the um the vehicle manufacturers are doing. Yep. They're making their vehicles more safe.
SPEAKER_03:Like cars, they've got safer. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh you can't make a cow any more safe than it was last year. You can't put bumpers on her, I suppose.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you could make a safe, depends what you're breeding. Sometimes the breeding makes them less safe. I can tell you that from experience.
SPEAKER_01:Sure, you've got a podcast on that somewhere, huh?
SPEAKER_00:It's back, it's back to that that training again and and actually the the human side of it, rather than thinking about the livestock and the machinery. It's back to back to the humans that use that that are around those livestock and machines.
SPEAKER_03:But it but also I know myself, I look back at some things I've done in the past. Oh, just take me two seconds, I'll just do this, I'll just do that. I mean, I I just think of a classic example which I'd say was over the top, but I remember when I was in Victoria, we had a dairy inspector come in, and we had a 21,000 litre tank, um, and it was one of them, well, they're they're the standard these days, aren't they? Hatch on the top. And he the guy said to me, Do you ever go in there? I said, Well, I've been in there once, I think, because the the spray ball wasn't working, so I had to scrub it and then put a new spray ball in. Well, where's your safety equipment? Well, what's safety equipment? And he wanted me to install hooks in the ceiling, to put ropes on, to put harnesses on. So if I go in there in a confined space, they could if I collapse because of confined space, and God forbid anybody trying to pull me out. Um, but um, you know, it could, I could, it could all be done. And it was like, well, that's a bit OTT, and probably is a bit OT. Well, someone will tell me it's not OTT, but it's an example of we think it's just normal, other industries you wouldn't in your life be allowed to do it.
SPEAKER_00:And I guess sort of you and I, Andrew, are much more familiar with the dairy side of things, but you start looking at big grain silos and thinking of the the accidents and incidents that can happen around those, and well, I was singing since we've been talking, you know, let's be honest, the deaths we hear of slurry.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, gases, you know, that there's there's there are it it's it's an it's uh farming. Sometimes you are jack of all trades, master of none in some ways, because you are the mechanic, you are the the midwife, you are the uh the paperwork, you you do everything. You're not in a lot of particularly family farms, you do everything. It's not a dedicated person that does just the tractor work or does just the milking. You're you're doing everything. So you are doing so many different jobs, you are open to so many different um what's the word I'm gonna risks. Yes, you're open to so many different risks because you're doing so many different things. So so you and it doesn't take much to be driving that track to be distracted because you're thinking about that cow that's carving or whatever it happens to be.
SPEAKER_01:And you've driven into the pylon in the middle of the field that's been there for your entire life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Hands up, it wasn't a pylon, it was only a telegraph pole.
SPEAKER_02:It's usually me admitting things here, Sarah, not you.
SPEAKER_00:And luckily, and only an on-farm electric supply telephone pole rather than nothing else.
SPEAKER_01:I was actually thinking of the episode of the um very famous uh documentary series that that um that uh a gentleman may have driven his brand new tractor into a telegraph pole with the kids the other day, didn't we?
SPEAKER_03:Yes. You're not talking about Mr. Clarkson by any chance.
SPEAKER_01:I'm trying to be more subtle, but No, you don't worry about things like that.
SPEAKER_03:Let's be honest, we all saw it.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it's public knowledge, it's not like it's um I mean for me as a non-farming, you know, I've I grew up in a town, I am a true townie, I'm a nurse, I have no real knowledge of farms beyond what you tell me. But I watch Clarkson, and how often does he injure himself? No, mainly small stuff, but also he's recently had a pneumonia, he's had a heart attack.
SPEAKER_03:He's elder, sorry Jeremy, but you're on the elderly scale. Elder, yes. I mean, lighter than I have.
SPEAKER_01:Again, age takes a huge part in this. The statistics say that something like 40% of the injuries on farm are people over 60 or over 40. I can't remember off the top of my head. But the older you are on a farm, the more likely you are to injure yourself.
SPEAKER_03:I assume it's still irrelevant, isn't it? Was the average age of a dairy farm is 55, 50.
SPEAKER_00:59, they always say, but I didn't know.
SPEAKER_03:Mid-late 50s, then definitely. It's the same as in Oz. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's not just age, just it's tiredness. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm I there's me admitting to my telegraph poll incident, but um, you know, that was at the end of a day of going out with the slurry tanker all day, the last day across the field. Same field, managed to miss the long hours of managed to miss the pole every uh every other journey across, but tired by the end of the day. And no, I mean I you know, it kicks in. We know farmers do long hours.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Nurses pay more in their car insurance because we crash our cars on the way home from work. You know, this is absolutely known stuff. But it's known, so that makes it less forgivable, doesn't it? It's so difficult, isn't it? You know, it just adds to all those risks. It just adds to it, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_03:But you know coming back to first aid and the what are we required to do then, I guess?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so the requirement under under the first aid at work, the Health and Safety Exec um Act, First Aid Regulations 1981, just to be specific, state that you must do risk assessments. I've mentioned it before, they are freely available on the internet.
SPEAKER_03:Um NFU, I think you said, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_01:NFU definitely do farm-specific ones, but you can find more general ones if maybe you've got a diversified farm, um, or maybe you just don't feel it's quite right. You can write your own if you want to be clever, and I am sure you could probably ask AI to write you one in this day and age.
SPEAKER_00:I was gonna say the HSE website, whilst probably um a lot of people don't want to visit it, but it's has got some very good resources on there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and they'll they'll be more generic but very specific, but very detailed. Um, it doesn't the what they're asking you to look at is the risks on your property, who's coming onto your property. So, you know, looking at your staff and looking at their physicality, you know, we've we've mentioned age already. Have you got staff who are older? Have you got staff with disabilities? Do your children help out on the farm? Or, you know, do you have farm visits? Do you do open farm Sunday? Taking those things into account is really, really important. Um that will then that risk assessment will then feed into the recommendations, and they do become recommendations. Um the the risk assessment isn't, the risk assessment is essential. They will fine you for not having one, but the recommendations are exactly that, and you can work that out. But what you're looking at is how many first aid kits you should have and where should they be? Um how many uh staff should you have trained in first aid? Um, my reading is that really a risk high-risk business should have one person with a full first aid at work course, which is the three-day course. We'll come back to those later. Plus or minus some people with the one-day course. If you've got kids on the farm, you should probably think about whether you should have a pediatric course as well in amongst your staff somewhere, because there are variations for children over adults. Um, it also, like I say, we talked about the need to have a space for first aid. And it doesn't have to be a dedicated space, but you do need to have somewhere clean and tidy and calm and quiet and private because actually, you know, you might have injured somewhere quite unpleasant. Or you might have medical conditions that you don't want to share with the world. Confidentiality is huge in health. Um, and so having that space to discuss that if you are injured, to give your casualty the confidence to talk is really important.
SPEAKER_03:It's a bit like making me think about Paul one of Paul Harris's comments, wasn't it? He said, like when he first went on farm, many farms didn't have a dedicated loo or whatever else, and it's kind of just building on top of that, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I say it's something I'd never thought of before.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it could just be a corner of your staff room where you keep the first aid kit and a bottle of water, you know, probably an eye splash kit. Um, and if you're a bigger farmer, you want to think about big, clever technology like defibrillators and things, then great. Those are big investments, they're amazing and they are wonderful things to have. But start small and build up towards the bigger stuff if you want it. Um but just having that quiet corner somewhere that's away from the rest of the world. Because actually, also if you're involved in an accident, you're probably quite stroked, you're probably quite stressed, you just need some time to sort yourself out, and that might be all you need before you can get back to work. Um but the flip side is and you know, the thing we talk about a lot is how really good quality first aid can get people back to work quicker. It's it's really tempting to to to want to just carry on through an injury and the the standard joke amongst amongst um amongst an e staff is you know if you've got a farmer turn up the first thing you ask him is why they're there and the second thing you ask them is who they sent them who sent them and if they say I've just got a bit of something sore and no no one sent me then you call the resus team because they're probably about to drop on the floor.
SPEAKER_03:I was going to say farmers are notorious. I mean I I I know I've got a couple of clients myself and they'll sort of say oh yeah I won't end up in hospital and right where are you from dairy farm? Right you're here you're here for a reason right let's not be correct.
SPEAKER_01:No no all very stoic yes yes yes well the the cows have still got to be fed um still got to be mil or milked or yeah whatever it happens to be exactly those things have still got to happen.
SPEAKER_03:I've I've taken example myself I know myself I remember when I was in Victoria my one and only time in hospital um one night I probably should have been in longer but I checked myself out the next day because I was the only person that knew which cows had the uh uh cedars in and had to be taken out and whatever else and there's me with like 40 degrees you'd not have written that down like a normal human being no because it no normally I would have but it was just me so I didn't worry about it because I wasn't expecting to be in hospital with a 40 degree temperature and what you could have written that down and sent it to your share farmer to deal with if only you knew about whiteboards at the time. Well yeah exactly but it was just me on the other part of the farm with 200 cows because we because we it was the drought I'd gone off 200 cows on another part of the farm to milk them and left the other 600 with somebody else. So that was why but anyway that's another story for another day.
SPEAKER_00:And I guess going back to you um what you were saying there Emma about you know an an area where people can just go you know sort of when I think when I think of first aid I think of those like real emergency big situations but actually it could just be a small cut that just needs a plaster and just want to just want to plaster on and sit down somewhere clean.
SPEAKER_03:Well I was going to say I mean there's another classic example some um uh well I'll be blunt it was James who's been on here as a guest and neighbour from North Queensland I remember him I'm sure he won't mind me saying this many years ago it was the old the old no blood no sympathy and his his then I don't know son 10 11 whatever gone and got the cows oh my wrist hurts oh no you'll be fine you'll be fine the cow had flipped the handlebars on the quad bike hit the wrist and broke his wrist two days later he's still complaining went and yeah broken wrist and it was like yeah the no blood no sympathy we are as an industry we're not the the greatest at oh well things have got to get on just don't worry about it and I'm a nurse we're as we're just as bad like there's no two ways about it we are as bad but the difference is that we know when it when we've taken a step too far on that road we you know and our colleagues will point it out very clearly to us that we've taken a step too far. You should say doctors and nurses the worst patients don't they?
SPEAKER_01:Oh we're awful I hate having doctors and nurses as patients.
SPEAKER_00:They self-diagnose as well I'm sure and with the worst possible thing so back to back to sort of farms and we've we've perhaps got our dedicated area and and maybe a first aid um box in that area is it worth perhaps thinking about what we might need in that first aid box what what are the what are the regulations and what are the other good things to have in there?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah I mean a a first aid box again the regulations are very clear on what you should and shouldn't have per according to the number of people it needs to serve but essentially you want plasters something to clean with most first aid boxes will come with cleansing wipes as a minor injuries nurse I want you to clean with water I want you to clean with cool running water for most wounds um because the wipes will only do so much they won't get mo, you know they won't get the muck off they if you've fallen over in the slurry they're almost surface yeah whereas water will get right in and clean it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah exactly unless like a wipe for a uh mastitis tube won't won't really touch the surface. No.
SPEAKER_01:No, exactly it's it's um and then you will have sort of iPads and wound bandages triangular bandages we're not talking electronic iPads here are we no sorry E Y E. I didn't even consider that um yeah so you the and then that first aid kit should be dedicated to that equipment. They don't generally recommend having medication in a first aid kit um if you need to have medication on your farm for example if you've got someone who's asthmatic less so you might have some aspirin if you've got someone with a heart condition you might keep some aspirin close by or epi pen epi pen potentially although generally again most of those things should be dedicated to the person but if you were to have those things maybe you did have someone who had an uh allergic reaction and needed an EpiPen you might keep a spare for them nearby that should be in a separate locked cabinet but with an easy accessible key again because you don't want the visiting school children to nip in and help themselves to it what are maybe we're getting off track a bit but what are some of the outcomes you've seen of good first aid? Yeah I mean good first aid is amazing and I think that it's really important to understand how much it can improve the world you know I I know that farmers everybody small businesses worry about money and you might think oh you know spending hundreds of pounds on sending X number of my team on a first aid course that's gonna just be money down the drain but actually we a really good example was a gentleman I saw in the minor injuries unit recently he knows I'm gonna talk about this so it's it's it's fine. But he came in he was actually um a lorry driver uh button X farmer which is why I laughed he was in his lorry he decided to make himself a pot noodle with some water he'd boiled in his in lorry kettley thing um and he managed to pour the water on his foot he decided that that was fine he um stuck his shoes and socks back on and carried on with his day didn't really think about it I think he said he might have poured a bit of water from a bottle over the over the foot um and he came into us four or five days later with quite a significant infected burn on his foot that required him to go to the local Burns unit um and you know it meant he wasn't driving his lorry the following day and he I haven't seen him since but I suspect it was probably a good few weeks before he was back to work which would have cost his boss money and covering his and sick bay and all those kinds of things. And actually if he had just taken that time out to get out of the lorry, find a cool tap somewhere, run that burn under cold running water he almost certainly would have had quite a minor injury that would have meant he would have been back at work within an hour and probably with no ongoing problems. But he didn't know that he didn't know about first aid he wasn't with anyone to tell him to do that. So something that would have you know put him an hour late on one day probably meant that his boss was saddled with major problems further down the line that could have been prevented so you've got the additional pain the additional illness he went through the risk to his life that that put to him because you know skin infections do kill from time to time they do lead to sepsis and they do kill people you've got that sort of health and moral angle but you've also got a huge financial burden that could have been prevented by really good first aid and burns are a really classic example of that.
SPEAKER_03:Well this is maybe not um uh burns or first aid I don't know if it would have helped it but also people need the time to recover don't they and I mean you're saying he's gonna need time this is an example I'm sure I've told this story to a few people and I'm sure most people who hear this will think I'm telling complete porky pies absolutely made up knew a guy in far north Queensland when I met him well he was a character let's just say if we hadn't had rain for three days we had a drought and that's the polite way of putting it um former woodcutter uh then dairy farmer but before when I met him he had a wooden leg or a peg leg I should say and again you're gonna say this is all rubbish but he had the story goes he had an infection in his big toe turned to gangrene went to hospital took off the big toe he didn't rest the gangrene got in his foot so it went in his foot took his foot off and he didn't rest it went into his lower leg took his lower leg off again they told him to rest he didn't rest went into his upper leg and he thought somebody would have twigged whether him or the hospital he went to hospital what would that be one two three the fourth time they took it off at the groin and they kept him in hospital to ensure that he rested because they said if if it goes any further there's not a lot we can do. Now people will go that's just a load of rubbish because who's that stupid but this was a true story and the guy had a peg leg and that's what it all came down to.
SPEAKER_00:And it's just sometimes that needs must he might have been you know felt that he needed to get back to the business or or whatever and and we can understand that farmers would be in a very similar situation that oh it's no good I can I can't sit at home doing nothing when I know that job needs to be done and well never I promise that isn't just farmers every person I tell to you know your injury needs rest will go well I can't rest that is the conversation I have 20 times a day.
SPEAKER_03:Well let's be honest I was just gonna say the exam for myself and I broke my ankle last year. I didn't really rest until six weeks later because I was like oh I've got these things to do I've got to do I've got to do I've got to do and I kept doing them even though that's when I probably should have rested we all learn.
SPEAKER_00:Well yeah I know but yeah she sits there laughing well there's no point is there I didn't win at the time I'm not gonna win now well it's done now isn't it so alongside the first aid kit off we've mentioned the the accident book can you tell us a little bit more about sort of regulations around accident books and what we do and don't need to put in there well I mean again accident books you with a very very simple internet search you can find hundreds of examples.
SPEAKER_01:You don't need to Well you probably just go online and buy one if you yeah I mean you absolutely can you can they sell them on on the the very large uh book selling site you that sells everything other than books now. Well the one that employs Mr Clarkson to make his television program yeah that one actually you can absolutely buy them but you could it it doesn't need to be complicated. Open a word document and save all your accidents in a word document don't overcomplicate things that that don't need to be have a diary and write down all you really need to be documenting is who it was what happened who was present and what treatment was given um should really be filled out by the first aider that supported them at the time um and it is their the first aider's responsibility to fill it out if first aid is given if first aid isn't given then it's the injured party's responsibility to fill it out and what advice was given again if it's first aid you might you might need to give advice for them to go to hospital or you might give advice for them to go home and have a few hours' rest or whatever. So you you want to document sort of treatment and advice um but none of these things have to be overcomplicated and then as the first aider it's also your responsibility to make sure you restock anything you've used which is you know good basic logic but again that does you that doesn't have to be overthought you know oh I've used some plasters I'll order a box on Amazon to go back in next time it keeps BBC we don't have to say other sellers are available I was gonna say I just found it music you wouldn't mention their name then you just go and drop it straight in there complicated but I I strongly believe that people human nature we will do things that are easy and we won't do things that are hard if something is made easy for you you'll do it so make it easy write it down a scrap of paper and type it up later next time you're on the computer send if you're if you're the the employee send an email just send an email to to your first aider your line manager saying this happened and it can get documented and stored that way it doesn't matter it doesn't have to be a book but it has to be recorded and ref and findable and it has to be stored I think for seven years. So um you know the WhatsApp message does need to be made a slightly more efficient yes just just marginally so but also again if you're if it's your business and there is potential for an insurance claim to come from that well you want that done properly anyway don't you because we know insurance companies will look for any excuse not to pay out so if there's any chance that it might come your way in a negative then you need to know that you've done that. You need to be able to prove that you've done everything you could and just write it down. In in medicine if you didn't write it down it didn't happen. So just write it down.
SPEAKER_00:So I guess there you've said um sort of you've done everything you you could so I guess that does lead on to to the core sort of first aid courses and actually understanding what a first aider can do and should do.
SPEAKER_01:Can you perhaps sort of talk us a little bit about what courses you do and yeah so I mean we're really really lucky the the training we can offer is immensely varied. We can offer everything from the full three day um level three so level three is um equivalent to an A-level qualification in that it is the level of study obviously it's not equivalent to an A-level qualification because you're not doing it for three years or two years or whatever, but it's that level of study you that's a full three-day course in which you cover pretty much every injury you can think of that that might come up as well as some illness like asthma, anaphylaxis so severe allergic reactions um course covers uh briefly on sort of sepsis and infection and those kinds of things.
SPEAKER_00:And so you're saying that perhaps one person on a bigger farm ought to have that qualification.
SPEAKER_01:It's so many once you employ so many people you've got to yeah the risk assessment I can't remember exactly what it is I think my I think it's 30 I think it's 20 staff on a non-risky environment um but fewer staff in a high risk environment um they farming's high risk farming's high risk we've established farming is the most high risk I think yes you probably want one person to have done that um and we can offer that course we don't routinely offer it because to get 12 people on the course is challenging but lots and lots and lots of other people do and a very simple Google search will find someone in your local area that offers the full three day course. And actually if you had eight or 10 staff then I would very very happily find a way to do it for you. I can do it in a blended format whereby there's it's a two-day course and one day is done online. You know there are ways and means to do it. We should at this point say that obviously we're talking about UK legislation and I know we have some international listeners obviously follow whatever your international um uh your local guidelines yeah your local guidelines absolutely follow them but obviously the the the first aid the health and safety the dangerousness on farm is relevant to everybody wherever you are exactly it's it you know it's not suddenly less dangerous because you're in the sun um so I love that course but it is quite intensive and three days for is a long time um but we can offer those that over a three month period if you wanted to just do one day a month you know there's ways and means um my favourite course to teach is the one day um which is six hours again it covers the obvious stuff like um recus uh CPR using defibrillators which of course are so common in the community now um it but it doesn't cover some of the more um specialist things like catastrophic bleeding and things beyond a very brief this is what it is.
SPEAKER_00:So you're saying that's a a six hours six with the flexibility you could do that three days, two hours a day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah the minimum we the the requirements of my accreditation is that you have to offer it it has to be a minimum of two hour sessions. Personally I think three is three, three and a half better yeah do it in two sessions. Yeah just because of the way the course material lies if I'm 100% honest actually three hours 15 twice gives you time for a little cup of coffee in the middle and um it it just falls nicely to to stop at a comfortable point. But again it can be offered blended can't it so is it a couple of hours online and then four hours in the classroom yeah which is I mean I think that's brilliant if you can there we were talking to a farm recently about doing that. The only challenge with that is that everybody has to do the two hours individually before they come into the classroom and for some people who are maybe less familiar with first aid it might take them a little bit longer than two hours to get through that material. Other people I think who are more familiar might get through it quite quickly. So you know those blended courses do offer that sort of variation a little bit. We also we can offer the pediatric course really useful if you have got kids coming onto the farm regularly to just have someone and again that's a the full course is two days which is more for teachers and and nurseries and things like that. Or the one day course again six six and a half hours or a blended at two hours online and four hours in the classroom um and then we also teach mini medics don't we we love that don't don't say we I have nothing to do with this tell me what's minimed mini medics is a little three hour course for sort of seven ish to eleven ish year olds um and again it covers CPR and defibrillation and and those kinds of things um but it just gives them an early understanding of those topics and although it's aimed at seven to eleven year olds anyone can do it. So if you don't want to have a qualification at the end of it maybe you're just uh you know just a normal human being who doesn't actually get excited by x-rays like I do um you you might just want to know what to do in a crisis and actually three hours is great just pop in do a little three hour course and and bring your kids do it all together and you can go home and learn those skills together.
SPEAKER_03:I was gonna say or or the alternatives are I mean I did my first aid at Cubs I did it at Scouts all of those sorts of things usually offer some kind of first aid training don't they?
SPEAKER_01:I was going to say that's when I first did it uh brownies and then guides and yeah it's his on the national curriculum now as well which I think is really exciting children are learning about first aid from a I think from key stage one now which is sort of six and seven year olds um and it it's just great because it it should be natural it should be part of normal life.
SPEAKER_00:And I guess the earlier you talk about it the less like you are to panic in a situation where you come across it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and it I mean people will have opinions of on this but I think it's really good because it also introduces them to scary subjects like real illness and death. At the end of the day you cannot teach someone how to do chest compressions without talking about the fact that you're doing it on someone who is pretty much dead if not actually dead it's it's a really important thing to introduce children to at a young age.
SPEAKER_03:It does make it more because it just made me think somebody remember saying to me that was completely off farm one time was just talking about it and you do get a bit like not blase but you're used to it on farm it's the old saying I know some people hate where there's livestock and there's dead stock and I was just talking about something it's like you talk about death like it's just every day and I suppose it's it's different it's not a person or or whatever in the same way and and well I got should we say very emotionally attached to one or two of my cows in the past as well but um but um but yeah being on farm you're used to in that way it's it's part of the conversation isn't it to talk about oh well cows died or calves died or whatever we might get upset about it or whatever it happens to be but it's still part of the conversation that people in the everyday world don't talk about in the same way. You don't normally talk about death unless you might lose a pet or otherwise it's usually a friend or a family member it's not talked about in quite the same way. So yes opening that making it a more normal conversation is never a bad thing.
SPEAKER_01:And I think we should be aiming to have the largest proportion of the population understanding how to perform CPR not everybody is fit enough. It is incredibly hard work um how to access a defibrillator where is your nearest you know in the UK now they are everywhere but actually it's incredibly difficult to find out where they are because there's no national register of them. Isn't there no so St John's I think it's St. John's Ambulance or is it British Heart Foundation British Heart Foundation have an app but not but it relies on the owner of DFib to uh report to document it and that feeds into the ambulance service but not every single one has been documented. So and then there's another app so one's called Heart Start and I can't remember off the top of my head what the other app's called um but I was comparing them just for our town here um and I know where quite a lot are in our town but I wouldn't say I know where they all are and they definitely were not all documented on um on that app. I mean the one at the little funny little hall on on the top of the town next to the library that's not documented on either of the apps.
SPEAKER_00:And it's funny isn't it that um my my other half hadn't done a first aid course ever in his life and he actually did one um back over the summer never done one at all and yet most of my life I have been first aid trained whether that's first aid at work or or even the the longer courses and it was a set I said to him well you know where the closest defibrillator to home is and he went no I've got no idea and it's just like well let me tell you let me tell you because I might be the one that needs it. And and so I think it's something that I've been aware of but actually I think it's probably very good practice that each farm knows where the closest defibrillator I can't even say that word now. Somebody said for me defibrillator thank you defibrillating yeah I'll learn that one um you know if we know where they are then at least you know that's something that you you can go and get if you're in that situation.
SPEAKER_01:And I think you know maybe that's something else that goes on the list by the you know where it is how do you get into it? Yes. Lots of people wouldn't know what to do to get into it. You know that you have to ring 999 they have to give you a code to access it um that they 999 can only tell you if they're within a certain I think it's a three minute travel time of where you are um they won't they won't tell you about any outside that time even though it might still be quicker than waiting for the ambulance. So having that personal knowledge of where it is is really important.
SPEAKER_03:I was just thinking it just comes back in my head old Vinny with his um staying alive.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah yeah I mean staying alive pink pony clubs uh nearly the elephant nearly the elephant's my that's my preference yeah uh baby shark is the is a good one for those don't know what we're talking about perhaps we ought to explain we're not just randomly saying song names say that you're already going Pink Pony Club that's only just been out yeah it's great any so any CPR you need to be your chest compressions should be between 100 and 120 compressions a minute with good recoil so letting the chest come back up um and those are songs that have that sort of beat so I I've always been a counter I don't actually sing um but lots of my colleagues will sing in their heads whilst they're doing chest so you're not expecting now to do mouth to mouth are you? Yes it is still part of the regulations right um and it is absolutely still part of the training mouth to mouth in pediatric in pediatric situations is essential in pediatric situations in children it absolutely cannot be missed because in children children are more likely to collapse and their heart stop because their oxygen levels have dropped so the mouth to mouth re gives them that oxygen um in adults it is still better it is still needed you the oxygen in your blood will only last a certain amount of time chest compressions on their own will keep you going for a short period of time but with um with mouth to mouth it will give you longer ultimately chest compressions with or without mouth to mouth are not going to work you need the defibrillator chest compressions on their own will only keep someone's heart moving it will not restart it restart's a dodgy word but it will not it will not do it on its own so the chest compressions are about keeping that heart going the defibrillator is about getting the electrical activity working again um but it all comes down to like saying the other thing saying if you're the first person on the scene knowing what to do isn't it and I know my first aid at work um has lapsed and I need to go on one of these courses but I know when I was previously employed I encouraged them that we should do it so that all the staff had first aid because I might be the first person on farm I might be the only person that person sees on farm that day and if I find them in that situation I need to know what to be able to do. Absolutely and I I also the thing I always say the the way I start my courses is to say that anything you do in that situation where if you hopefully you will see someone collapse and hopefully that's not the right word but the the best chance for someone is for you to see them collapse and for you to start chest compressions within 30 seconds preferably 10 seconds if possible um and for you to have called for help but actually if the only thing you do for that person is call 999 and get help on the way you have done something you have made that person's situation better but the more you can do the better still.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna raise something here that I just made is it going to be controversial not controversial but I suppose it's maybe the thing some people feel a bit awkward and embarrassed about especially as farming's diversity has changed given the conversation we were having are we going to talk about boobies no I was going to sleep moment no I was going to talk about underwire bras okay bras in general actually underwire is not the problem right women are twenty five percent less likely to be given CPR in public than men because you need to expose the chest and people are too embarrassed.
SPEAKER_01:Um and there is work going on in the first aid world silly things like um you might go on a first aid course now and your mannequin uh Bob Barry and Bernard in our house but but we need to get a Betty to go with them they were a they have boobies. They were very androgynous in my day they are currently very androgynous but you can um you get little inflatable um implants or whatever you want to call them I'm I'm gonna comment um but as a female you you know if it was me that's collapsed
SPEAKER_00:I'd want to make sure that that somebody was going to be giving me C boobs. And I don't think it's hugely important.
SPEAKER_01:And I think you're pretty much dead. Are you going to care if the world sees your boobs? No. No. Definitely not. I would rather the world saw my boobs at that moment in time. But people are too embarrassed. And it's really, really scary. It's really scary.
SPEAKER_03:It's I mean, that's significant, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:25% is Yeah, and I've I've got a feeling I've got that number wrong. I think it's higher. But it doesn't matter. Whatever it is, it's too many.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, whatever it is, it's too many.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Um women are less likely to collapse. But it it's irrelevant. It it's it needs to be done.
SPEAKER_03:And but like I say, if if you're too embarrassed, if you're more thinking about the DFib, you've got to get the wire out, haven't you? No.
SPEAKER_01:You're gonna you you just want the bra out of the way. The the wire if if your heart has stopped beating, or you know, if it's if it's not working properly, a a couple of electrical burns across your across your underwire, that can be treated, that can be dealt with in the same way that you are reasonably likely to break a rib when you do chest compressions. Who cares? That can be dealt with later. In first aid, you're always dealing with the priorities, ABC, airway, breathing circulation. You are always dealing with the priorities, and and skin is very, very low down the priority list.
SPEAKER_03:First thing I always remember being taught about first aid was don't become the victim yourself. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Well, okay, Dr. ABC. Wow. Danger response. You're gonna really push me on it. But it's it's that looking at the priorities, and the priority is maintaining life and dealing with a wound because you've because you've scraped them with your nail or dealing with a burn from the D fib. I've never seen a burn from a D fib, but then I probably have never done, you know, I would you just remove the bra, just get it off somehow, rip it off, tear it off, cut it off. We would normally cut it off, ignore it until you can deal with it.
SPEAKER_00:But so many things have changed over the years. I remember back when, you know, you used to have to pat people down to take their keys out of their pocket so you didn't bruise them. Now, I'd prefer to just be put into recovery position as soon as possible. I don't care if I've got a slight bruise. No, that's really not the biggest, uh the biggest part of my problems, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly that. I mean, those things are nice additions, aren't they? Uh they're little they're little bows on top of on top of the presentation.
SPEAKER_00:I'd be worrying if I was the victim.
SPEAKER_01:No, exactly. I mean, we do suggest it still, but don't forget to take off their glasses. You know, is it the biggest problem at that moment in time? Probably not.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, well, like usual, I'm sort of looking at the time thinking it's time to wrap it up. Are there any more words of wisdom you want to share before we finish?
SPEAKER_01:No, I mean, I think we've we've covered the the important stuff, haven't we? The you know, the law says you must provide it. We say you should provide it. We are happy to find ways to help you provide it. We will be as flexible with you as you can be. Um, and if we're not the right training provider for you, we'll we'll direct you to others. I, you know, lots of my colleagues provide um first aid training in different ways. So just come have a chat with Andrew or me, and we'll we'll give you the advice you that we can really.
SPEAKER_03:I'd say just talk to you because it's not my area of expertise. Cows, yes, but um first aid training is not my area of expertise. That's the whole reason why you joined the business.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, true. But you know, you you know as much as I do in terms of what, what, where, when, why, how.
SPEAKER_03:I'm picking it up. Uh Sarah, any thoughts?
SPEAKER_00:I think it's just such an important topic that if if you've got people on farm that are first aid trained, it could make the difference between life and death. And I think, you know, whilst that is uh again a sobering thought, we do need to think about it.
SPEAKER_03:It is. I mean, I I'm just thinking, you know, given our experience of let's take I mentioned Ollie earlier in the fire, those sorts of podcasts and this ones don't get the listened to in the same way, which I think is a shame because they're such important podcasts in terms of fire or your help your health and sake, or your your your uh first aid life and death, as you've just put it, that that this is something that should be shared. And you know, we've not just done this because Emma's joined a business. This is this has been an idea for a podcast long before Emma did this, that we need to share this so people to be aware that I didn't realize there was the legal responsibilities in the way there are since Emma done the course, but there is a moral obligation, and and well, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And also it might be you. You might be the the farmer paying for your staff to go off, but what if you're the one that's injured?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, you you want someone to look after you as much as as as the other way around.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly, exactly. So um, really on that, I think it's time to um wind it up. So I guess it's a goodbye from me.
SPEAKER_01:And from me. Oh, and me, I suppose.
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