Fight in the Shade
Two guys figuring out how to honor God in marriage, fatherhood, work, play, and every other time and place we find ourselves. Be prepared for random quotes from movies, plenty of shots at our brokenness, laughter, 80s references, and attempts to discover the Holy in all of life.
Fight in the Shade
Sermon on the Mount 4 E91
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Oathkeeper! Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
The guys address the importance of integrity in our daily walk with Christ and what it means to keep our word to our brothers & sisters in Christ.
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Yeah, we're hot and ready. We're hot and ready.
SPEAKER_02Hot and ready. Is that like a little Caesar street? Yeah, okay. When was the last time we had little Caesar? Like two weeks ago. Really? Yeah, like it's been a couple of years, three, four years.
SPEAKER_00We still have teenagers up here, you know.
SPEAKER_02Okay. It's true. It's true. Little Caesars is too far away from campus. That's one reason they're going to be able to do it. Yeah. I'm not doing that. That's way too far. Pete's not that.
SPEAKER_00It's close. It's close to my house. Every now and then we'll like, let's just do Little Caesars.
SPEAKER_02That's dangerous. Where is the West Monroe Little Caesars? Um around the corner from City Hall. Across from Super One. Okay. Yeah, across from Super One. Yeah, it's dangerously close. Yeah. I would have like a tab at Daily Press if I was you, though. That'd be bad for me, man. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're not talking about this, but uh, you have this Two Swords of Jesus book on here. Like two Swords is enough. We've had a great conversation about that already. We've talked about rucking. We've talked about it made the most of our afternoon. Idea, yeah, yeah. Spoodazo, that baby. Made every effort. Uh so I like it. We've we had some good conversations. We talked a little bit about the word. We're this is episode 91. Golly, we're creeping in on the ball. I know, I know, I'm ready. Yeah. We're gonna do episode 100. Are we gonna do it naked? Or what are we doing?
SPEAKER_00Okay. I don't want to make this too weird, but that almost came out of my mouth right before you said that. So what does that say about us that we both almost said the same thing? Are we gonna do it or an episode while in the ice bath together? I mean, oh no.
SPEAKER_02That's not weird at all. You know what we should do for episode 100? We should we should do it out on the back porch. We should record it out on the back porch at Wesley and take turns in the ice bath. Getting in the ice bath. That way you have to get back in. You know, still only say like five minutes at a time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But I do my five minutes, you're out. And then I get out, and we we should alternate. That'd be cool. Okay. Game one. Yeah, it might be a short podcast. 30 minutes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We may actually do a 30-minute episode.
SPEAKER_02There will be a cap that day. So I like it. Alan, you're starting to turn blue.
SPEAKER_00Concerned about you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Podcast. That's right. Yeah, yeah. The plunge podcast for 100. Yeah. I got it, baby. Yeah. Yeah, we're doing that. Spidazo. See, and we'll be able to do it in the summer too, so it won't be like it's 37 outside. That's true.
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah, nine episodes. That's that's not gonna be before June. Yeah, definitely not.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And the way we go, it could be July. Yeah, we might be it might be January, but no, it's not gonna be. It's gonna be the summer. Bite your tongue. Golly, awesome stuff. So today we're staying in Matthew. Yeah, we're just doing five. Creeping along in Matthew chapter five. We're at the whole big oaths, let your yes be yes, let your no be no. It's verse 33 through 37, I think. Yeah. And so it's I think people are familiar with this passage. I don't know if we need to. I I bet it gets skipped a lot. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it compared to murder and and adultery, right? Eye for an eye. Divorce, an eye for an eye. This is probably not at the top of people's like, uh, but it gets quoted a lot, you know. I I'm sure people I I've said, hey, let your yes be yes, you no be no.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_00I think that's a famous church line.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, sure. It's yeah, let your yes be yes, let your nobody know.
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SPEAKER_02I was trying to think of a funny way for that to be posted somewhere. Like, you know how there's some sayings, and if it's like posted in a bathroom, all of a sudden it's really funny. Well, yeah, things like that. Context. I there there's gotta be one that's really funny for that. But um anyway, you're right. It probably does get blown by uh because right after juicy. Yeah. Love for your enemies sounds like murder and sex, okay. I mean, you know. And the Lord's prayers coming around the bend here, so yeah. Right. Oaths. Uh it's it's not it's not as not as cool. However, I I think this is like a a a key. Well, I would say it's interesting to the lock of the heart, right here. I would say it's interesting that it's in the middle of chapter five, essentially, and it might be what all the other ones in chapter five hinge on. Are you saying this is all like a linchpin? I would say it could be. Like, especially like when you start talking about the things we talked about last week about divorce and adultery. Yes. And then you get down in here to actually giving to those in need and praying for people. Well, yeah, you should put your money where your mouth is, right? You say something, you should do it, right?
SPEAKER_00How how many times have you had people say, Oh, I'm gonna pray for you? And you're like, Yeah, that person's not gonna pray for me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's a that's a church thing for sure.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. Oh, I'm gonna pray for you. And I'm like, I don't know that they are. And and and in all fairness, I've probably I have done that. Yeah. Yeah. And then I've gone away and somebody said, Hey, thanks for praying for me. And my procedure went well. I'm like, Oh yeah, uh, you bet, you know.
SPEAKER_02They're like, Thank you, Lord. You better watch it, man. They're gonna come steal that uh pastor stole of yours.
SPEAKER_00No, look, I I am a flawed individual. Saved by grace.
SPEAKER_02Such an excuse for being a lazy turd of a pastor. Yes. Oh man, I'll read the scripture. Maybe something good will come out of this since it'll be that and the word of God talking and not us. Um again, you have heard it said that it was to the people you've heard you've heard that it was said to the people long ago, do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord. But I tell you, do not swear at all, either by heaven for his God's throne, or by earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great king. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your yes be yes and your no be no. Anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
SPEAKER_00So just out of curiosity, now you you know, you go to court, you place your hand on the Bible. You swear or affirm.
SPEAKER_02Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00You know, I haven't been to court a lot, so I'm just going off of television here, so yeah, I don't know either.
SPEAKER_02Do they even put the Bible out in court anymore?
SPEAKER_00I think in the South they still do, I would bet. You know, but but I wonder, I wonder um if we want to muddy the waters. I wonder about this kind of thing. But if you do a testimony, you know, uh uh uh like that. I saw them swear that this testimony is true.
SPEAKER_02I don't know, man. Yeah, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, and as a Christian, you could just say, hey, you know, refer to scripture. My yes is my yes, my no is my no. I'm I'm I'm not gonna lie to you.
SPEAKER_02I'm a person of integrity. Why do I need to swear on that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. I don't need to swear on that. I'm gonna tell you the truth.
SPEAKER_02The whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you, God. Yeah, so help you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I I don't know. I'm muddy the water on that. I'm not giving you legal advice. I'm not telling you to go in the courtroom and don't swear.
SPEAKER_02No, because neither of us, other than watching a few good men, know anything about courtroom procedures, right? We have no clues.
SPEAKER_00Have you seen horrible bosses? No, I've never seen horrible bosses. There's a there's a scene in there where they get they're they get um they get caught by the police, and the guy just starts quoting random things from Law and Order, and it confuses the cops for a minute. You know, he's like, ipso facto, you know, and all this kind of stuff. It's it's it's ridiculous. How I did I reference a movie you hadn't seen? Yeah. Let's go. Yeah, that's like two. Uh I know. Two, two for Sean, twenty-eight for Alan. Yeah. All right, all right. So essentially though, Jesus isn't worried about you going in the courtroom. No, this is about what he's talking about. Yeah, this is about us in our everyday activity and life uh being men, because because uh going back to our original mission, uh women, this applies to you too, if you're listening, but being men of integrity. Yeah, people of integrity.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. Um this n not the command to not swear uh has nothing to do with swear words, uh right? Yeah as as they would say in the old days. Um it doesn't mean that was it boys to men? I swear. That one's that boys to men. I don't know if it is or not.
SPEAKER_00Is that boys and men or Brian Adams? It's boys and men.
SPEAKER_02No, come what did you just say? Take that back. Brian Adams? Come on, man.
SPEAKER_00Huh? Isn't that the name of the one of those guys that sang one of those really high-pitched, you know, love songs?
SPEAKER_02Brian Adams is like Summer of 69 guy, you know, like I'm a very six string, you know that guy. Oh, is that who that is? He sang the Robin Hood love song. He sings some other ones, but I don't I wouldn't call I wouldn't put him and voice to men in the same scene.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, that's the Canadian singer. Okay, never mind. No, who's the guy I'm thinking about? There's another guy. Peter Satera? No, no, no. There's a black guy that came in and and he had that that sort of that high-pitched sound, and and uh he sang those, I mean, smooth songs. You know, anyways, I'll think of it in a minute. I don't know what's not Brian Adams, apparently. No Canadian white guy.
SPEAKER_02Okay, come on, dude. Uh but yeah, no, so it has nothing to do with that. No, it it has all to do with um our integrity. Our integrity. What we say and saying what we mean, meaning what we say, uh not being someone who's gonna go back on your word. Yeah, um, realizing that that when you do speak to somebody, I mean people just say that's a that's a that's a good old-fashioned value that nobody upholds anymore. Like when I listen to podcasts that aren't necessarily Christian, when I hear people talk, you realize the things from the news and different things. I mean, I'm not I do not want to get into a politics discussion, but even stuff like that, like people say things and actually really never plan on following through with them at all. Or they just say stuff, and it's not that they don't it's not they intentionally don't want to follow through, but they never make any plans to follow through. Yeah. And sometimes, and and we've all done this before too, we'll say things just to shut people up, or we'll say things that people want to hear off as well. Um but but I think we say things that people want to hear just so we get people off of our backs or whatever. Yeah. But that is the kind of stuff that Jesus is talking about. And I think if we speak with integrity, that holds up a lot of other things in life. And if people know you as a person who speaks with integrity, a person who uh does what they say and s you know, I mean it it's just kind of refreshing, right? Yeah, yeah, and it's sad that it's refreshing.
SPEAKER_00That that guy's gonna show up because he said he's gonna show you. Yeah, he said he's gonna be here, he's gonna be here. Um the other so I think as a result of this, people should say less. I I think we should just be honest and be like, you know what, I can't commit to that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh I can't agree to that. I'm not saying I won't, I'm just saying I I can't agree to it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's something about the sound of silence that is awful appealing, right? Because people talk too much. Yeah. They do. The we s we we get ourselves in traps because we won't shut up. Right.
SPEAKER_00Instead of saying uh yes automatically, just like, you know what, I d I don't know that I can commit to that. Yeah. And and refreshingly honest, right? And sometimes it's I mean it's it's probably gonna be a gut check, you know, for you to be able to say that to somebody and realize, oh, uh what if we what if we earnest? We were joking about this before about uh, you know, praying for somebody. Hey, would you pray for me on Thursday? It's like, hey man, I'll be honest with you, I have a crap memory and I'm really busy. I don't know that I'm gonna pray. You better text me. Yeah. I would love to pray for you, but I'm just gonna go. How about I pray for you right now? Oh yeah, that's a great that's another great one. Yeah, that way, that way I don't have to think about it on Thursday.
SPEAKER_02Let me put it in my phone, let me let me let me write it in my journal, pray for you right now.
SPEAKER_00But and it's not and Jesus isn't just talking about praying, he's talking about business, he's talking about life, your children, uh, your marriage, all this kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02And think about it, think about the person, the person of integrity, how do you word the question, the statement the most full of integrity person you know, the most integrist. Is there a word? I'm struggling here, man. You are struggling. The person you know that displays the most integrity in their daily life. Well done. Think think how reliable that person is. Yeah. I mean, you know who that like I I can think of three or four people that I'm thinking about right now that I'm like, okay, yeah, if I need something, I'm calling that person. Because A, I know they're gonna answer, or they're or if I send a text, they're gonna respond to the text. And if they can do it, they're going to do it. If they can't, they're just gonna say they can't do it, and they're not gonna waffle around about anything, and they're definitely not gonna I mean every now and then they may do something it's only because I ask them and they feel a little bit of like allegiance or pressure or whatever, but yeah, I just like I'll call out like like Carson Jones, uh West Monroe product, right? Kid from around here, he's in PT school, and if I ever needed something, that's a that's a person that I would that I would call if anything that had to do with Wesley, you know, or coming unlocking the building or you taking care of the kayaks or whatever, because he's just gonna do it. Right. And if he's not gonna do it, he's just gonna tell me he's not gonna do it. And I don't have to worry about stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00Shout out to his parents. Good job. Yeah, good job. Good job.
SPEAKER_02Raising him right. Yeah. He did a great job. And so I I just think that like you said, it's super refreshing. And I know we're not talking just about, hey, this is what I said, so that's what I'm gonna do. This whole yes and yes and no is no is is is is more than that, but but that's a simple place to start, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and I, you know, I kind of prepped uh with the whole idea of like the the vows we make as people of God. Yeah. And and and it became apparent to me that you know we would go through these these what are essentially rituals uh in the church, welcoming somebody into the congregation, a baptism, uh confirmation, whatever. And and one of the things that is often a part of these rituals is is for the pastor to look at the people and say snakes. Not lately. And and maybe maybe coming soon in Florida. They got a lot of snakes there, you know. So um, but no, we we would look at the people and ask them, okay, now that so and so has come forward in baptism or they've come here to be a part of this congregation and serve with us, will you, right? It's always it's it's always a remind a reminder of people here at Meguiar, it's a two-way street. Will you support them with your prayers and so on and so forth? And and it's like, I wonder if people really take that seriously. Yeah. I ask them that and they say yes. Yeah, and they could verbally not say yes, and that's fine. But as a whole, the congregation says yes. I'm like, I hope they take that seriously, because what we're saying is in the body of Christ, we have we have a brother or sister who's come forward in some capacity, and they have they have made their vows, so to speak, and I know it sucks about oaths and things like that, but they've made their commitment, they professed, you know, yeah their faith in the Lord. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to walk this out. Yeah, I'm gonna walk this out. And so so we say we're gonna walk it out with you. Yeah. Well, well, do we take that seriously? Yeah. And and sometimes I I think that's part of the problem in the church, is we don't you know, when you sit at a wedding.
SPEAKER_02I was just thinking the same thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, when you sit at a wedding and you watch a a couple, a husband and a wife, a man and a woman give their pledge their lives to each other, there's usually a part in here, at least when I do a wedding and I've seen you do the same thing. Yeah. Hey, will you, who represent their friends, their families, their loved ones, will you support them? Yeah. Well, you can't support them i if you ignore them when they're having trouble, or or if you're helping be part of the silo. Oh, my husband always does this and does that. It's like, well, that's not supporting them if you're if you're taking part in the backbiting and things like that. Yeah. But you're supporting them in their union together. So anyways, that that's part of the oath or the vow or the the commitment or yes, yeah. Being yes.
SPEAKER_02So so in both of those examples, right? The the church example or the wedding example, like you pointed out, if if that person's having trouble, if that person's struggling, if that couple needs something or whatever, then yeah, if you said yes and you're supposed to step into that, right? I would make the argument in both of those situations, it also comes back on you. If you say yes to that, well, first of all, if you're part of the church and you don't say yes to that, well then you have a problem. Okay. But if you're if you really if you really love the people up there saying those vows and you can't say yes to that, then you've got a problem. That's a whole nother ball of wax. But if you say yes, then I'd make the argument that it's not just when they're having difficulties that you be there, like then that puts integrity back on you. Like, like, like if I'm you know, we've got a 17-year-old that just got baptized in your Maguire Church, and you're a Pastor Sean's up there and says, Hey, will you walk with this young man? Will you live your lives? Will you so order your lives after the example of Christ, you know, whatever. That whole thing. And someone says yes to that. Well, what what that means is great example. Keep going. They are saying it it comes back on them to live their life with integrity. Perfect. And and to is good. I gotta follow Christ. It's not just, oh, when that kid when that kid comes home drunk, or when that kid is having a crisis or is suicidal and I'm there. No, I gotta live my life now as a believer that he's gonna see me and I'm gonna be ready to help him, and and so we're all in the world. You're providing an example, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And you're leading the Christian life as a model.
SPEAKER_02It's like turning the dial up a whole nother level in your for your own relationship with Christ if you're supposed to do that for somebody else. And I I would say the same thing in a marriage situation, like in a wedding thing. If you're saying yes to that, then yeah, you gotta lead by example. You gotta that's on that that's saying, hey, for me to help them uphold their vows, I'm gonna uphold mine. Like for me to help them keep their promises of integrity now. I love it.
SPEAKER_00So that's what I think about that. Bri book it, we're done. That's great. No, no, I'm with you. I I think at you know, I gave the example of trouble, but you're absolutely right. It's it's before trouble starts. Yeah. It's every day, it's in the quiet times. Am I still doing the things that that reflect the love of God in my life, the the commandments of God in my life? Am I walking in the ways in the ancient past? Yeah. Oh, let's go back to Jeremiah.
SPEAKER_02616, baby. Yeah. Um, yeah, and you brought this up earlier. You made the Game of Thrones reference, so it's your fault for putting that in my mind today. But if you if you pledge allegiance to House Stark, then you're there when they call. When they call the banners, right? That you're there. But to know I think like, oh yeah, in big times, if somebody needed me, you know, if the if there was a tornado, I'd show up and help clean somebody's yard or whatever.
SPEAKER_00You and the ten men of uh Bear Island.
SPEAKER_02House Johnson will be there. So we fight with the strength of a hundred men. Fight like northerners. So I I think that that yeah, we show up in the tough times, but it also means that we like you just said, that we we're always in support. We're always on that person's team. We're people of integrity, man. And you're right. Sometimes being a person of integrity means I'm gonna say no to something. You you you might it just it just means it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_00That's a big deal. I mean, I I think the maturity, the spiritual maturity to know uh how much is enough and to be able to say no.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's a good thing. I mean, you can't say no all the time because then what are you what are you really even a part of? But but if you go, if someone comes to me and says, you know, and I would help you like I was just thinking of like a church example, right? Being a like a youth pastor in in in them in my previous life and asking somebody to go on a mission trip or lead as an adult in a small group, something like asking an adult to to participate. I kind of always would go back to this whole thing of, well, I'm pretty sure you said when this kid joined the church or whatever that you would be there to support. Like that's what I always wanted to go to say to people. I love it. But I didn't necessarily always have to because they would they would say yes because they wanted to do it, because they kept their vows. Their yes was yes for sure. But I could respect somebody also that could say, you know, Alan, I I really believe in what you're doing. I really believe that that this is the right thing to do, but this year, I don't have the space or the margin, the time, I don't have the ability to be what that kid needs for a mentor, right? Or or man, we're have we have a huge thing at work like three weeks before that trip, and I there's no way I can go this year. Sure. That's fine. Saying your yes be yes is great, and your no be no, that's great too when you're speaking as a person of integrity. Now, if you're just a freaking negative person and you're a bump on a log and you're lazy, clearly that's not what Jesus is talking about.
SPEAKER_00That cuts both ways too, on the yes part, because there's the yes, but I'm gonna grumble about it. You know, which I've been guilty of. Right. My wife's like, hey, do you want to go to this thing? I'm like, sure. And on the way over there, I'm like, I don't really want to do this. But I said yes, you know, and I'm kind of grouchy about it, and I get there and it's fine. Yeah, but but you know, let your yes be yes. You know, don't grumble. That's in the Bible, right? Yes, it's it's done.
SPEAKER_02Let's roll.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I've said yes, I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna do it right.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna give I'm gonna give 110%. That's what we're gonna do. Yeah. So I I I like that part. And and and you're right. From the beginning, you said this, it this can kind of get skipped over. But again, I I I think it's the central piece of our lives that's really making. Missing and again, like I said, there's places where integrity is is is almost like a ghost. I mean it's just not there. And we wonder why certain things don't last. We wonder why churches fail or or businesses fail, things like that. Well, I mean, if you're not if you're not a person of integrity, I just don't know how you can last. It's all this stuff catches up with you eventually. Yeah. It'll come crumbling down. You're just building a house of cards. And and I know, you know, people would say, well, you s if you're always speaking the truth, you know, there's another game of thrones. You know, like they say, like, wouldn't it be okay just to lie once in a while, Jon Snow or whatever? And he's like, Whoa-foo, you know, and and and you're gonna you you can play the game or you can be a person of integrity. I I do I do think that is kind of black and white, kind of black and white. It is black and white. It it really just is. And it's hard to do that. And I think, golly, we're all over. I'm all over Game of Thrones today. You know, their their name is Stark, and so there's this stark difference between them and everybody else, and they see it in that way, like this is how it needs to be done, so this is how we're going to do it. And yeah, of course, in life, we need to be able to be creative and be flexible and understand that we're not always right all the time and stuff like that. But when it comes to integrity, I just don't think there's any there's just not much gray, man.
SPEAKER_00So so do you think this applies when you call your buddy and ask him to go to lunch, and then the day of you get another opportunity to go to lunch with your wife, and then you call your buddy and you and you back out on him. Do you think it applies there? I'm just curious. I mean, just hypothetically.
SPEAKER_02Well, I made promises to Shauna way before I made anything to you, first of all. Uh there's a great example, though. Um I think if you do that on a regular basis, you're a turd, right? But I think as a married man to another married man, I think that you understand. I do totally, I do. That's great, though. You got a better offer. I get it. Yeah, you know, I mean, that's that's uh that's who has my first vows, you know. So um I was sorry, you know. That's that's how it goes. Sorry, not sorry, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, it's a good point. No, no, I'm messing with you though. No, but but this is this is like the stuff that that I think uh people would sleep on and say, well, of course. However, it it's it's integral. Yeah, it's integral. It's integral. It's integral. To to the uh to the to the person being who God wants us to be. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_02You're saying if I was more like Ned Stark, I just would have gone to lunch with you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Shauna would have just been pining for you.
SPEAKER_02That's true, dude. Yeah, he is one of my idols. So um Ned Stark would have gone to lunch with me. He would have gone to live. He would have gone to lunch with Robert Brath.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's true. Golly, boy, we need to shut up, man. We're nerds. Ew. Nerds. But yeah, it integral, that's that's pretty funny. Like it is right there. Yeah. Um, it's at the core, it's at the center. And so I just for for for people listening, that's what I would say. It's like, so short podcast this week, uh, short episode, whatever, but but think about that. Like, okay, look at my life right now, and is there an area in my life where my integrity is a little shaky? And then what do I do? What do I do to clean that up? Yeah. Because going back to earlier in chapter five, being salt and light, if we're gonna be those things, then we have to shine brightly as people of integrity. We we just have to. That's right. I mean, if if anybody's got to do it, it has to be those who say they follow Christ. Because there's no what did you you just read somewhere, you're like six ways to be like Jesus or something like that. Yeah. I mean we're that's what being a Christian is, is is being like Christ.
SPEAKER_00I know that's not some kind of transformative statement, yeah, but man, if it so if there's an area So so uh yeah, on this one, um uh Six Ways to Think Like Christ on this particular passage, it says the example vows, it's not enough to keep a vow. And he says we must also avoid casual and irresponsible commitments to God. Yeah, or to God and anyone. That's right. That's right. Uh because your boy, right, Jordan Peterson, he has made uh not to drag out the episode because we were about to wrap up, but he has uh uh a pretty good um he's pretty what does that say? Uh it's okay. Uh he's pretty adamant about never lie. Yeah. You know, um and Simon Sinek does that as well. If you're near Simon Sinek, he's just gonna lie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And uh I love Simon Sinek's example. He he actually he has an example where um he he gets invited to a play that a friend just like, hey man, I want you to come see this play, come see it, come see it. Finally, his schedule opens up, he can go see it. And the friend is like, Well, what'd you think afterwards? And he said, You know, I really uh I'm really glad I got to see you in the play. And then he waits a couple days because he because he wants to always tell the truth. He waits a couple of days and he talks to the friend, he says, Hey, um, you asked me the other day what I thought about the play, and and I just I I'd like to talk to you about that. And so he says, I recognize that there was a lot of emotion in that minute. Yeah, and had I been completely honest and just told her everything I I thought, he told her the truth. I'm really glad I got to see you in it.
SPEAKER_02Sure.
SPEAKER_00And then later on, after some of the emotion went out of it, he said, Hey, I I didn't think the play was that good, but I really thought your performance was great. You know, he he kind of took it apart.
SPEAKER_02Sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But I love the example because he's like, you can be honest and not hurt people, you know.
SPEAKER_02So Yeah, I think about that how just simply not lying keeps you out of trouble so much. Cause because I think we lie to avoid pain in the immediate, but then that stacks up and when it crumbles, we face pain in the long.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, right now, right now we've got um three, I think three resignations from Congress in the last in the last week, uh, from people for uh for for sexual abuse, uh, you know, things uh uh fraud, you know, all kinds of stuff. Basically being duplicitous, you know, uh stealing or or hiding stuff or being in bad relationships and they're not supposed to be in, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and so so it it the lying, you know, it it corrupts and it brings us down.
SPEAKER_02It does, right? It if there's any wicked way in me, you know, let it let it be let it be found out, let it let me handle it, let it let and let it be forgiven, and let me move on, right? Yeah, and and I think like you're right, just don't lie. It is that is old JP. That's that is one of his like simple things, but it is just it keeps you out of so much trouble. And then of course I always think about the the Liar Liar movie with Jim Carrey, right? Yeah, which kind of telling me the truth gets him in some jams too because he's right. So that's a funny take on it, but at the end of the day, that's what actually saves his relationship with his son. That's right. And and his son looks at a dad of integrity by the end of it instead of a dad who just says stuff and never ever delivers. Right. So yeah, let your yes be yes, let your no be no. I'm here for it. That's good. Okay. I like it. Every time you say six ways to be like Christ, I think about like what is that movie, like seven ways to die in the West or something like that? Or um yeah. I've never seen it, but I just that's a catchy title to it.
SPEAKER_00But wasn't there wasn't there a movie that came out not too long ago? Ten Ways to Lose a Date or something broke up.
SPEAKER_02Or How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days. Oh, that's what it is.
SPEAKER_00That's what it is. Yeah. That's an old movie.
SPEAKER_02Not too long ago. Maybe it popped up on your Netflix not too long ago.
SPEAKER_00Whatever. How to lose a guy in ten days, yeah. That's what I was thinking about.
SPEAKER_02That's all you're thinking about.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I got a guy I want to lose and it's in the cross remember. Uh yeah, it's it does sound like a um is to think about it. Like one of those magazines you see if you check out. Yeah. Yeah, get you thinking. All right, episode ninety-one. Check. I like it. Just uh stay in the fight.
