046 Time Doesn't Heal All Wounds: The Philosophy Of Fitness Ep. 33

00:00 Cold Therapy Morning

05:05 Time Heals All Wounds (And other nonsense)

07:23 Active Recovery

13:47 Stoicism, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life by Mark Manson

16:59 Growing Resilience

25:40 Taking Ownership Means Taking Action

31:19 Stop with the R.I.C.E.! (Dr. Mirkin coined the term in 1978, read his retraction here.) 

36:13 Summary: Taking an active role in recovery

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Transcript

Cody: 0:56

Hi, this is Cody Limbaugh. And

Tali: 0:58

I'm Tali Zabari, and you're listening to the Philosophy of Fitness Podcast on the

Cody: 1:03

live All Your Life network.

Tali: 1:24

Good morning. Good morning. Not something we've said in a while on this show. Cody and I only recently woke up. We missed our appointment to record this weekend, and so we are squeezing it in during the work week. And so far I'm already a fan. Are you? Yeah, I feel like it got me out of bed. I mean, it's 7 24 right now and we were supposed to get up at six, but it seemingly felt like everything happened in success in succession without too much lag time.

Cody: 1:56

I wish there was caffeine in this coffee. You do?

Tali: 2:00

Yeah. Why didn't you make a caffeinated coffee then? I'm

Cody: 2:02

just, I don't know. I didn't anticipate being sleepy.

Tali: 2:07

So the icebreaker for today is what your cold therapy was this morning.

Cody: 2:17

Mm, I kind of wished out a little bit. Did you? So, I mean, just for me lately for the path I've been

Tali: 2:23

on. Interesting. You a stout and I stepped

Cody: 2:26

up. Well, I usually balance, I usually start with the cold, just right into it, right into my face in the cold shower, first thing in the morning. And I've been doing five minutes. Yeah, it was a, this morning I was feeling a little bit grimy, so I actually started with a hot shower. Mm. Took like a real shower and then finished with three minutes. Usually it's e easier when you start with hot. Is it? Yeah. Because you kind of warm up your core body temperature a little bit and then, oh,

Tali: 3:00

so it's kind of like cheating, so the call doesn't feel so

Cody: 3:03

cool. That's

Tali: 3:03

what I'm saying, so, but isn't it higher

Cody: 3:05

contrast, isn't that It is. I'm sure I still got lots of benefit.

Tali: 3:10

Interesting. There's higher contrast, yet you're kind of warming yourself up first. I'll have to think about. Mm-hmm. Well I wouldn't call that like backsliding or whistling out

Cody: 3:23

or anything. No, I did it. Yeah, I did it. I just have been kind of ramping it up and. Oh, it just wasn't up for the whole thing today. Five minutes of straight into the cold. Mm-hmm. The more shocking it is, the more beneficial it's supposed to be. So it's almost like the more it sucks, the better it

Tali: 3:42

is for you. Right. Well, I just wanna preface my response to this question by saying here mirror. Mortals, we are regular people. I think sometimes when I listen to podcasts who people, the people who are hosting it are in like the health or fitness industry, it's easy to put them on a pedestal. Like, whoa, every moment of their day is so intentional and so health focused. And it's like this is a few minutes out of our whole day where all, there are all sorts of other kind of fuckups. So yeah. And I'm newer to the scene of this cold therapy. I don't have any attitude towards it now that I've started it. I had a lot more attitude towards it before I did, which is, you know, true to my form. I am generally pessimistic about most ventures ahead of time. But I graduated today to four breaths on each limb. I don't have a lot of interest in putting my face in any time soon. Hmm. But yes, the water was cranked all the way cold. I did start with a warm shower. Cuz it, I do like to clean myself first. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. Regardless of how many showers I've already had in the day. But yeah, from three breaths to four and it was no big thing. Awesome.

Cody: 5:07

Yeah. Feel really awake.

Tali: 5:10

I feel pretty awake. My skin feels really tight, which I don't really love that feeling. I think the cold showers, you know, hot showers should be drying out your skin more. So I don't know, I might have to start lotioning or something to accommodate for this new practice. But yeah, I'm awake.

Cody: 5:28

It's probably good for your skin. It's good for everything else. I suppose. Maybe I come out red, so I'm sure it's bringing like blood flow to the skin.

Tali: 5:37

Yeah. All sorts of like celery generation and turnover and stuff. Oh, sure. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. All right, so today's topic, is time healing all or does it really.

Cody: 5:52

Time heals all wounds. That's the the saying.

Tali: 5:55

Yes. And we're gonna be, you know, we're circling back to the philosophy of fitness. It's been a few episodes since we've had a topic that was specific to our work as coaches or our work as athletes. And so we'll definitely be exploring how this applies to the gym. And I would say this makes the most sense to me in the context of the gym because. When you are thinking about time healing all wounds in your own life, that's a long span of time to be observing. So I can't say I have anything concrete at the moment, but hopefully something you say will trigger something.

Cody: 6:35

Well, I prefer to say time heals some wounds because that's fair. Time heals all wounds is stupid. I, I think a lot of, I think a lot of Inspirational quotes and sayings and colloquialisms. I forget what other term to use for these cliches that are bandied about. It's like they sound really good at first, and then you start thinking about it and then you're like, well, that's not actually true. That doesn't actually work. That's so funny that you bring that up because the other day I was like, really honing in. Someone says, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Mm-hmm. And I was like, gosh, that sounds so good. And I wonder if it's just because we hear it so often that we've kind of adopted it as something to live by.

Tali: 7:24

Mm-hmm. Because it sounds good in our language, you know, I wonder if you say it in another language, if they're like, Ugh, that doesn't sound poetic at all. But yes, I would, I would venture to guess that that is not always. Worth following. Better safe than, sorry. Yeah, I mean, I've kind of been

Cody: 7:46

a burning man. They say safety second or

Tali: 7:48

something like that. Do they? Yeah. Maybe I would fit in while I'm burning man, minus the camping part. I keep doing that. I'm sure I will love the camping part. So stupid.

Cody: 8:03

Yeah. Time does not heal all wounds. I'm not sure that it. We have a concept in the gym that we call active recovery because the old school way, or at least the way that I was sort of brought up as a teenager, is that you beat yourself up in the gym and you're sore as hell, and then you just sort of waited out. You just, the soreness will eventually go away and then you can hit it again. And you and I know that as coaches, that that's bullshit. We, we really encourage people, especially when they're new and likely to be really sore from new stimulus that they're experiencing for the first time. The. Best and the fastest way to recover is to come back in again to keep training. Mm-hmm. Movement is magic and movement really. It is really gets you recovering a lot faster than just sort of waiting it out. Oh, movement is

Tali: 9:04

magic or movement is medicine would make a great t-shirt, I think. Mm-hmm. But that's also the same for what we see. With injury when we have clients who go to their practitioners and, you know, have hurt their knees or hurt their shoulder, there's still this old trope of rest and just don't do anything with it. Yeah. When there's so much detriment to leaving everything as is, you know, your body is going to adapt to the fear you have to moving your arm. Or you know, to bearing weight on that knee that is going to systemically fuck shit up. Mm-hmm. And so active recovery has been super crucial to embrace, to really come back stronger. There's a lot of folks who see injury. Or over training as kind of an end point. But I have been on both sides of injury and I have come back stronger after injury. Mm-hmm. And I tell folks about that all the time. I actually just had an inquiry the other day about someone who had knee replacement and they've got another one coming up. And they said that they were planning a trip to Israel, which is like a lot of hiking and stairs and, you know, ruins and things like that. And she was interested in signing up for The strength course that I'll be putting on in June in hopes that she'll be able to like build back the strength in her knees. And I was like, it's also going to prevent it. It's gonna make your surgery and recovery easier on the next leg too. Mm-hmm. And. I think that that tide may be turning, that people are aware that movement and using whatever feels broke is gonna fix it. And recently, you know, I had a terrible back tweak this winter from slipping on ice and. I moved through the whole thing. I knew I had to just stopping working out was not an option. And sure, I came up against quite a few things that I wasn't quite ready for or maybe weren't the right movement or stimulus. But, you know, working on planks and box step ups, you know, those were some things that you prescribed me very regularly to just. Keep things going. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I would say that I'm not a hundred percent back and it's may I really felt it on the kettlebell swings, but I've been able to snatch like full range of motion all the way up. All the way down you know, changing direction under tension, which was really hard to do at first. So I'm feeling really optimistic about it, but I know that it wouldn't have, I wouldn't be feeling this good if I had. You know, stopped working out or just kind of assume that time would take care of

Cody: 12:05

it? Well, yeah, and look at all the other opportunities that you would've missed out on. It's not just the wound itself that's probably been benefited from movement, but the rest of your body. And if we take this out of the gym and into the rest of the world philosophy You know, I think it can be the same thing if people are paralyzed because of some trauma. Trauma. Or it's a bad experience, a bad experience, or avoiding something completely because of a bad interaction with somebody or something like that. Not only are they not healing the wound by just ignoring it and, and avoiding, but they could be missing out on amazing opportunities. For growth in other areas or, you know the benefits of that environment that they're avoiding that maybe had a bad experience but isn't a threat, really. Sure.

Tali: 13:02

And I just wrote a note about, you know, leaning into that time healing all wounds as a pretty passive approach. If you just think simply existing is going to like eradicate your. Problems, your sadness, your trauma, whatever. I wonder. If the saying time heals all wounds is just kind of like a hindsight 2020 sort of thing, looking back back it's easy to think like, oh, enough time has gone by, by. Mm-hmm. This doesn't affect me as much anymore. Mm-hmm. And it's true that, you know, the further away you are from a situation or the further removed you are from an incident Your mind is able to kind of remember it differently after a certain amount of time. But that also might be because there has been work to some degree between the incident and your point of reflection that was actually the catalyst for those dynamics or those bad feelings or whatever it is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to say because I definitely am not a person who just lets things go. I don't let things fester if as much as possible. And so it, I'm not a great case study to observe to see if that's really how it works.

Cody: 14:27

Yeah. Well, I think something I've been learning about or, or recently heard is that, It's not so much a traumatic event that can cause you to have issues or trauma issues, I should say. It's your response to that. Yes. And your,

Tali: 14:47

because the trauma is non-discriminatory. Yes. Like everyone's gonna deal with it to some degree. Yeah. Physical, emotional, mental. Yes. Yeah. That's just being alive and being human. Human.

Cody: 14:58

But it's your response to it that really kind of causes your. It's like your traumatic reaction to something that's happened. So, you know, one of the common things, I listen to a lot of health, health span type life life extension type interviews. Mm-hmm. And one of the things that they talk about with centenarians, people who live to be a hundred or more, oh, they have their own name, is that, you know, there's some pretty common things that you hear about as far as like staying active and staying engaged in their communities and having close, you know, a at least a few close relationships. You know, these are common things, but one of the most common Attributes of centenarians is that they let shit roll off the

Tali: 15:52

Oh. Oh. Like they don't hold grudges, they

Cody: 15:54

don't hold well, they don't hold grudges. They also don't hold on to trauma, so to speak. Like something bad can happen and it's just like, man that's life. That's life. Let's move on. You know, there was a, I remember watching a program, I forget, this is, this is a while ago, so but it's one of those TV. Programs, I don't even know if they still exist, but things like 60 Minutes and like these boy, like these deep reporting, you know, one hour on a single topic type of news shows. But this one was on centenarians and like Lifespan and Technologies and all this. And they were interviewing these old, older folks and one of the ladies, she was like 101 and her daughter had passed away that morning. Her daughter was like, you know, 78 or 80 or something like that.

Tali: 16:44

So much for genetics. Yeah. Well, and like that's definitely not the

Cody: 16:48

only marker. Right. The the point was though, is that she was the type of person who, instead of canceling the interview, she's like, no, we had this interview scheduled. Let's just go ahead and do it. Like, oh my gosh. You know, this is just part of life. It's happened. And that kind of attitude was really common amongst the people who lived that long. So I, I just think it's a. Interesting correlation. I'm not saying that if you, I'm not saying psychopaths live to be a hundred, you know, obviously people are, should be emotionally affected by things. There's a balance there. But I do think that we forget sometimes that we have a lot of agency in how we respond to. The events that come our way. Mm-hmm. And the injuries

Tali: 17:39

The rolling off thing, I just wanna take a moment to talk about that a little bit more. I think this is coming up for me because we just watched Queer Eye last night and you know, they were working with a hero who. Was in a really traumatic accident and is now in a wheelchair and is paralyzed from the chest down. And I was just thinking about how so often with like girlfriends of mine or other people, I guess, you know, when someone is really challenged by something, it's so common for me and I'm assuming it doesn't just end with me, but it's so common for me to. Try to find common ground to relate and to be able to kind of like get myself into their head space to understand what they're going through and effectively communicate with that. Mm-hmm. And I'm, it's kind of calling into question, like, in those situations, would it be more beneficial for me to just like simply be supportive and like come from a more optimistic standpoint as opposed to like almost being drugged down mm-hmm. To wherever that person is in order for them to like, not feel alone.

Cody: 19:03

Well, I'm, I know that that's the case with kids kids who fall and scrape their knees and then they have a parent who is really dotting on them like, oh, oh honey, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? You know, let me kiss it better. And like, all that kind of gushing over something minor I, I've, it creates people who are susceptible to trauma. Like when bad things happen, it's the end of the fucking world and they all kinds crashing down on them emotionally as adults, you know, that carries through. Whereas kids who've fallen, scraped their knee and they have a parent that's like, well, get up, shake it off. Let's see what, what, what, how is it you feeling better? Let's go. You know, like, it doesn't have to be this. Earth shattering, you know, day stopping event. If you scratch your knee and that you're talking to honey. And well, those kids, if that's the environment that they grow in, also grow up to be more resilient adults. You know, people who, you know, can take a snarky comment or something that they don't like online and be like, well, that's their fucking problem, you know whether it's, even if it's something really. Reprehensible, you know, racism or bi, you know, bigotry or something like that, they're still not as affected by it as someone who has raised an environment to be able to sort of sh shake it off, like be having some pain is just pain, and that's part of being human. And you don't have to dwell on it or make it bigger than it really is.

Tali: 20:36

You know, it might even change that perspective entirely like, I think so much that bothered me growing up as a kid is like, whatever taunting or whatever I experienced, I thought meant there was something wrong with me. Mm-hmm. And only in my adulthood do I look back at being like, whoa, something was really wrong with them. They had like the balls to say shit like that. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. That's interesting that you could take on that attitude much earlier in life, kind of depending on how. Your condition to respond Yeah. To blows like that.

Cody: 21:15

Yeah. Well, and a lot of those things are, those behaviors are learned like by the time we're six, you know, it's like way before we get a sense of social wounds or social anxieties or relationships, issues, you know, in a deep sense. You, you learn from your like first degree. Yes. Yeah. You, you learn that stuff a lot earlier. And so even by the time you're in high school, you might still be more prone to drama or traumatic experiences or taking on things personally and, and that kind of thing. Really based on your first, you know, four or five years of your life. And the environment that that was, I mean, I'm sure there's some genetics involved too, but I just know that, you know, you were asking about friendship and being there for people who are kind of going through a hard time and taking on a more optimistic attitude. I'm not sure when you're, you know, I'm not sure how sticky that is as far as the formative years and how that shapes you as a person to be able to handle. Challenges. But I do know that, you know, adults can change. Oh yeah. Just depends on if they are open to it and willing and wanting to do that kind of work. Cuz sometimes people, you know, if you're, if they're going through something bad and you try to come up with a optimism, it's almost like an offense to them. Like Right. You don't understand. Oh yeah. It's so bad and I

Tali: 22:52

feel very aware of that. Especially when talking to friends because, you know, there's such a stigma against, you know, men who wanna like, fix everything. Mm-hmm. And sometimes people just wanna be heard and don't want solutions. And so I, I realize that those are not like those aren't the only options. Mm-hmm. There's, there are points in between or gray areas there where you can be supportive without telling somebody what to do. And you can also be supportive without. Stealing their thunder or whatever. Mm-hmm. You know, that would be the extreme other side is like sympathizing so much to a point where it's become about you. I have seen that.

Cody: 23:37

Yeah. I've seen that too. But there's also sort of I don't like the word enabling, but the, there's sort of a Push toward more misery by some people who, in, in their, they think they're being supportive by commiserating and you're just causing more of an issue because you're just helping that person spiral.

Tali: 24:01

Yeah. You're helping the person spiral. You're getting riled up to, this is like when everybody starts to, you know, have all their quote unquote like great ideas of how to like tear shit up. And I definitely know with certain friends of mine, like we resonate so much in a certain way that like it's easy to do that. I have to be really conscious sometimes with certain friends who I love dearly, but like we riff so well with each other or think so similarly sometimes that I have to like, Thoughtfully unpeel myself from them in those moments and be like, actually, this is not how I wanna deal with it. Mm-hmm. Like whether it's gossip or lamenting about stuff. Like, I wish I could tell you how often I tell myself, like today I'm not gonna complain because everybody around me complains. Mm-hmm. I work at nine to five and that's. I think just part of work life sometimes is like, there are just things to complain about. Yeah. And I've become very acutely aware of it when other people are doing it, and so I'm trying to become aware of it when I'm doing it too.

Cody: 25:15

Yeah. That's a losing game when you're trying to avoid a habit that you're immersed in. Because we've already talked on this podcast quite a bit about the law of association and it's powerful. Oh my gosh. People, yeah. Oh yeah. We become much, we, we take on a lot of the characteristics of the people we hang out with the most, or even just the things

Tali: 25:37

that you. Take in. I mean, I actually love watching Queer Eye because I feel like it makes me an optimistic person. Like when I'm just binging the shit outta that show, I am seeing the beauty and everything. I'm cheering everybody on. My gestures are grand. Like I'll wear all sorts of new stuff that like I don't usually pull out of my closet. So that's a really great influence, I think. But yes, you don't always get to choose what your influence is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanna circle back really quick to that concept of like, letting things roll off or continuing to move through life under challenging conditions. Mm-hmm. And how important that is. And I just wanna take it back to the gym once more. I mentioned that kettlebell swings were really aggravating my back the other day, and I noticed it like on the first few reps I pushed through the first round, we had a workout that had one minute stations, and ideally you're consistently moving through that entire minute, and I was having a really hard time hanging onto that kettlebell. It just was kind of like wrenching and reefing on. That part of my back that just feels overly stretched. And for the next few rounds I moved to kettlebell deadlifts. That was a movement that like, gave me a little bit of relief when the weight touches the ground. There was, there was still tension, but there was kind of like a point of rest if you will. And that was something that I was able to do repeatedly and that is just a. I think an important example of how you can tweak your needs but continue to move forward. You know, I had the option to just not do that minute, take it off as a rest or whatever. Mm-hmm. But I really assessed like, okay, what can I move into? Like what pathways are available to me here that are gonna give me the stimulus that I want? Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I think that's just a really important skill to hone, like not only in a CrossFit workout, I wish that there was more emphasis on that, and I know you and I are gonna be coaching it that way. Where there is a intended stimulus for your workout, and if you aren't being thoughtful about how you are scaling or ramping things up, or pacing things or the weight that you choose, you know, managing that intensity, you may very well be missing out on. The stimulus of that workout, therefore you're not gonna get the benefits of it. Mm-hmm. And then it's like, what the fuck you doing there then, right? Mm-hmm. I feel like that's how a lot of my first go round with CrossFit went, I was really hellbent on prescribed weights, prescribed movements, and it didn't matter if I was moving super slow or, you know, got cut off by time caps and things like that. I felt validity in pushing for that, even though. My body wasn't really changing or adapting in the way that I hoped it would. And so I think that that's probably important to carry out of the gym as well too in, you know, not just taking the passive approach and really being intentional with how you're managing your. Needs and your intensity, if you will, in your life. Mm-hmm. Like where can you ramp up? Where can you dial back? And I would say personally right now, exercise is like so important to do every day for us, which is great cuz we let it go on the back burner for a long time and we've decided we're not doing that shit anymore. Like it's just not good for us. And so I think the time heal, all time healing, all wounds. The critique here is that passive versus active approach. Mm-hmm. And it's really like commanding agency of your life and seeing that the phrasing might be more true if you are considering the vantage point. You know, it's easy to look back, but in the moment don't rely on it to solve all your problems. Mm-hmm.

Cody: 30:05

Yeah. Yeah, I think taking an active role, it's interesting cuz it almost sounds like a dichotomy where you can be a more resilient person if you learn to just let shit roll off. But at the same time when. Traumatic things happen, injuries of whatever type you should take an active role in re recovery from that, and that might look a little different than what you might think. So. Well, there could be a, it's kind of like a to that,

Tali: 30:42

you know, like asking yourself, is this method serving me? Yeah. Just stopping would not be serving you.

30:49

Yeah.

Cody: 30:51

Well, I was just thinking of that. You know, letting peop, letting things roll off is sort of like a, a. Sometimes given a label of, well, you're just stuffing it down, or you're just denying your feelings, or whatever, and it's like, well, no, I just choose to not let this be a big deal. And I think there's a difference. I think that one is a skill. Do you think evidence difference though? F not from the outside. Right. But I think from the inside, I think you and your own consciousness can know that it takes maybe some introspection and self-awareness.

Tali: 31:25

Well, I've seen it in you for sure, because I have seen you be avoidant and I've also seen you be decisive about cutting things off. Yeah. And they're really different because one, you're willing to communicate and the other one you're not. They might have the same like end result, but they are practiced or lived through very differently and I think I'm only able to pick up that on you because I'm so close to you. Mm-hmm.

Cody: 31:58

Yeah. Well it kind of reminds me a little bit of rice, so rest, ice compression and elevation. Rice. I wanna bring this up because first of all, it's still a myth that people are practicing quite a bit.

Tali: 32:17

The ice thing is really surprising to me still.

Cody: 32:20

And I say myth because this was considered to be good sports science, you know, for a long time that when you are injured, slap some ice on it, elevate it, rest, and, and that's gonna be the, the best approach to deal with acute. Inflammation in like a joint injury or something like that. The guy who invented the acronym has even come out and said like, that was a mistake. That what? Yeah. I mean, this is, it's frustrating that these things just stick for so long, just because it sounds good. It's catchy. It's a good acronym. Well, that's what you

Tali: 32:55

were saying in the beginning is right. There's so many of these sayings or whatever they are that we just. Continue to circle back to because they sound good. Yeah. But as

Cody: 33:05

we've heard it so many times as a coach, it's a little frustrating that this is still sticking because Kelly Star, Dr. Carol, Kelly Star, he's a doctor of physical therapy, I think written a couple books and. For a long time was really popular in the CrossFit community and now he's kind of branched out to be a pretty well-known name in just health and fitness in general. And he said, you know, 10 years ago he made this video called, I'm So Sorry, we were wrong. And it was like, we should not be icing things. In fact, heat is even better. Like, oh yeah, like,

Tali: 33:45

Pro, like encourage the body to Yes. Repair itself. Yeah. Rather than icing and slowing it down. Yeah. Hashtag two weeks.

Cody: 33:55

So the geez, the icing is an attempt to knock out inflammation, but the acute inflammation, like of an injury that just happened, is your body's first response to. To protect the area and to also start the process of fluid exchange to bring nutrients to it and remove bad shoot, I'm forgetting the name, but basically the bad stuff, bad blood. Yeah. So by stopping that inflammation response, you're actually slowing your healing. So it's actually doing the opposite of what you want it to do. Yeah. It's actually making it worse and it's still a trope. It's still a thing that people, that doctors and coaches and all kinds of people who are educated in the sports arenas are still. Prescribing that and it actually is making everything worse and

Tali: 35:00

well, it seems like such a dismissal of the body's brilliance, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You know, we think about all of these things that our body does, whether it's swelling or a fever or whatever, as these bad things. Mm-hmm. And they're, our body's natural process ceases to. Do its job. Yeah. And it's amazing. It's brilliant the way that the body responds to injury or insult.

Cody: 35:30

Yeah. I think this could be carried over though to the wider range of topics of, of trauma or bad events, because doing nothing is not necessarily a good thing. But also I think sometimes people do the wrong things to try to heal. What Well, For instance, I have in certain circles witnessed people say, well, I just needed to vent. And it's like, no, you're actually gossiping and making the problem. You're getting more riled up by going over and over and over. This with your gossipy friends. Like that is not therapy. That is not healing. That is. It just adding insult to injury kind of thing. Yeah. Well that's kind

Tali: 36:17

of what I was talking about earlier with talking to friends. It's easy to dig that hole deeper or to open that wound more. Mm-hmm. And I'm assessing, I'm trying to assess like what my role is as the the listener. Yeah. Because you don't wanna fake stuff. You don't wanna diminish their feelings. But you also don't wanna make it worse.

Cody: 36:45

You don't wanna stoke the fire.

Tali: 36:46

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Or prolong the pain. You don't wanna ice it. Mm-hmm. So I think the idea is that active recovery in the gym and out of the gym is really necessary. You know, whenever we are feeling challenged or knocked down, there are tools that you can use to move through. That pain rather than ignoring it, stuffing it down, resting on it, you know, take yourself for walks, write in your journal, talk to somebody, you know, don't vent, but talk to somebody. You'll be productive. But yeah, I think that movement is magic. It's just kind of the, the highlight here is that moving through our challenges is, Most important and that the time healing all wounds might be. A bit of an illusion looking back as opposed to a method. Mm-hmm. Of healing.

Cody: 37:57

Yeah. Movement or taking action is even wrong. Action is often better than no action. Oh yeah. In almost every scenario. Scenario, it's like bad publicity. Well, because even. Even taking the wrong steps to try to fix a situation is a learning experience. Absolutely. And doing nothing is just nothing. There's, there's no learning experience for, I can't

Tali: 38:19

remember if this is true or not, but wasn't there, I. Isn't there a shark or something that it has to keep moving or else it dies? Yeah. It might not be true, but I, I've heard that said before. Yeah. Yeah. Even if it ain't just channel that

Cody: 38:40

just keep swimming,

Tali: 38:41

I would say that that is like a, maybe a better replacement. Saying, even though that wasn't very eloquent for things like this, like I think it's really interesting that you're bringing in to question all of these sayings or beliefs that we have in our culture that are just assumed at this point. Mm-hmm. Because they're said so repeatedly that there might need to be some new ones. Created, and I feel like I actually have heard from some really wise women in my life. For instance, my mom has changed, kill two birds with one stone to feed two birds with one seed. And then my boss, Jodi, instead of saying like it's to die for, she says it's to live for. That's funny. I think it's great. I think those things really should be assessed because language is important. We take it to heart, it has weight, has meaning. Mm-hmm. And to just simply excuse them or just to think that we're all capable of like seeing beyond what it's really saying might be. Underestimated.

Cody: 39:52

Yeah. I mean, we live in a meme world and so it's easy to take in some saying that sounds really good without really thinking through the consequences of allowing that to seep into our belief system. Totally. That's

Tali: 40:06

kind of scary to think about. Mm-hmm. Considering how many memes we see a day. Yeah.

Cody: 40:10

So nuanced thinking is. Valuable. Yes, very valuable. So, yes, I guess that's the takeaway here is to move keep moving and regardless of the setback or injury or what the type is, whether it's in the gym or in your romantic life or whatever it is that taking action and movement is gonna be the, the key to healing and overcoming and not just waiting it out. Mm-hmm. And then even if you take the wrong actions, at least you have an assessment tool. You've learned something, you mm-hmm. You can, you can steer that moving vehicle since you can't steer a parked car. Right. Yeah. Well, shall we wrap it up?

Tali: 40:57

Yes. Okay. I think it's time to get lifting.

Cody: 40:59

Alrighty. Let's, let's head down and pick up some heavy stuff and, mm-hmm. Put it back down. Okay. Thanks babe. Love you. Love you too.

Tali: 41:10

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