We have so many topics coming at you this week. First, Fireball gets sued because some of its drinks don’t contain whiskey. Then, it’s Jeff’s turn for jury duty. The world population is now almost eight billion people. We have some bad student stories. And finally, Mt. Everest is one of the most dangerous places on Earth. Many people have tried to climb it. Some succeed, but many don’t. Many are irreparably injured, and some never return—their bodies left in the snow and ice to serve as guideposts for future climbers.
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We have so many topics coming at you this week. First, Fireball gets sued because some of its drinks don’t contain whiskey. Then, it’s Jeff’s turn for jury duty. The world population is now almost eight billion people. We have some bad student stories. And finally, Mt. Everest is one of the most dangerous places on Earth. Many people have tried to climb it. Some succeed, but many don’t. Many are irreparably injured, and some never return—their bodies left in the snow and ice to serve as guideposts for future climbers.
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This week, Fireball, jury duty, world population, stupid students, and Mount Everest. Welcome to Subpar Talks. Hey everybody. Welcome to Subpar Talks, where we have conversations about everything. I'm Jeff.
Chris:And I'm Chris.
Jeff:Thank you for joining us yet again for another episode here. And as always, before we get into this week's topics, we have our standard disclaimer, listener discretion advised. There will be profanity on this podcast from time to time. And we will, from time to time, touch on some mature subject matter, and we inject our humor into all of this stuff. And if that doesn't sit well with you, that's OK. Maybe we are not your cup of tea. But for everybody else, sit back, grab your favorite beverage, and get ready for this week's topics. All right. I'm drinking, by the way. Are you drinking?
Chris:I am drinking.
Jeff:What are you drinking?
Chris:It's a necessity.
Jeff:Well, yeah, obviously.
Chris:I've got a Long Island. I'm packing it in.
Jeff:All right.
Chris:What have you got?
Jeff:Well, I did an apple cider and uh, I spilled some Fireball in it. I don't know how much Fireball I put in it, but...
Chris:Over the limit.
Jeff:There's some fireball with my apple cider. Speaking of Fireball, I guess this will be our first topic. Did you hear about the lawsuit involving Fireball?
Chris:I did.
Jeff:OK.
Chris:They got some trouble.
Jeff:Yeah, they do. Back in, uh, this would've been, uh, it was last summer. I was at the store wanting to buy some beer and whatever, and I saw a package of little tiny Fireball bottles. They're plastic, but I'd never seen those before. But I was like, wait a second. I'm in the grocery store, and this is Texas, and Texas is stupid, and there's Fireball here, so what is that about? And so I jumped on it. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get the Fireball. And I had a couple of those, or maybe three or four and I just thought it was regular Fireball. Well come to find out, there's a lawsuit over, I guess it's a false advertising claim. But in, in states that have the rules that Texas does, the laws that Texas does, which is you can't sell hard liquor in grocery stores, they sell Fireball, but it says malt liquor on the front. And the real,"real Fireball" says whiskey, cinnamon whiskey. So the others say cinnamon malt liquor, I think is, is what it says. So some lady has sued Fireball over this claim, and who knows what'll come of that? I don't know. But I, I found that interesting. But it, it explains my whole question that I had is like, how in the world did I buy Fireball in a grocery store?
Chris:Yeah. And I just saw it in a convenience store about a week or so ago, and I had the same question. And then it was like two days later when I saw that news story about the lawsuit. But, now my assumption was exactly like you said, that this was a false advertising because everyone thinks of Fireball as being whiskey, and that that's the way it was being presented or marketed. But if it says malt liquor on it, then does she have a case? I mean, Fireball is their brand name and people associate it with that, but could they not have a Fireball malted liquor?
Jeff:Yeah, I was wondering that too. And I don't know how much merit her claim actually has. I saw a bunch of people on, it seems like I've seen this story everywhere now, I first saw it I think on NPR's website. But anyway, I've seen it all over the place, uh, on social media and people saying how stupid it is. How did you not know that? Other people are saying, wow, I didn't know that. I'm surprised. I thought it was just like the other Fireball and, you know, other people complaining about her. How could you sue over this? It's so stupid. Whatever. Well, I mean, you can call it what you want, but there are consumer protection laws in place that prevent false advertising claims from companies. Because if we didn't have those in place, then corporations would just try to swindle everybody and, and claim whatever. Uh, and just, you know, just to get your money. So there are reasons we have those laws. Now, how much merit her claim has and what's gonna happen there, I mean, that's, that's gonna have to be sorted out in the litigation. So, I don't know.
Chris:Well, and if they were pro, like I said, if they were promoting it as their whiskey product, then I could get it.
Jeff:Yeah.
Chris:If it says malted liquor then, and I didn't know that, I didn't know that it said that on there. That makes me wonder if there really is a case, because at least they're saying on the label what it is.
Jeff:Yeah. Well...
Chris:I don't know.
Jeff:The fact that it says malt liquor is my, my only source is what some people said on Facebook in the comments. So who the fuck knows. They might be wrong too. I don't know. But anyway, I like Fireball. It's good. Gives you a good kick it.
Chris:It does have a kick, especially, well, the Fireball I'm thinking of. I don't know about that.
Jeff:Right.
Chris:But yeah, that's good stuff.
Jeff:Yeah. Drop it in some apple cider. So, uh, guess what I got in the mail today? Uh oh. Did you get a jury summons? I sure did. are you kidding me? No. Well, doesn't seem like half our shows have involved jury duty, Well, there you go. What's it been? Yeah, like two weeks since we talked about it. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah. And here we go again. Think that was about how long it was since we talked about it when I got mine. So it's weird. I'm having to show up on a Friday. I've never had to show up on a Friday for jury duty. It's always been Monday. No. Yeah, so I don't know what that says. I don't know. I don't have no idea. I am hoping. That it's a criminal trial. I don't want a civil trial. And depending on what it is, I hope I get selected, but I probably won't. But really you wanna be on it as long as it doesn't drag on too long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not against doing it. I just, when I got mine, I like, I've got other things to do. I don't want to get dragged into this. Right. So I was glad to, to be dismissed, but another time. Yeah, it could be good. Well, we'll see what happens. It'd be good material for the show. I could report what happened. Definitely. And maybe in quote unquote, real time, if you're not sequestered, Hey, maybe I could interview fellow jurors. How about. Ooh, there you go. So I just heard recently, and I gotta say as a Gen Xer, like a lot of things these days, it bothered me. Uh oh, is this gonna be depressing? It, it can be quite depressing depending on your, your view of. They said that if you are a Gen X, now granted a generation could cover around 18 years, should cover 18 years, but that if you are a Gen Xer during your lifetime, the world population has doubled. Oh my God. I was like, holy shit. Because the world population now is push. 8 billion. Yeah, I know. Sometime back I was seeing seven and a half. I'm seeing more toward eight now. They're rounding up. It's gonna hit, yeah, it's gonna hit eight within a few years at the most. Mm-hmm. And so that means, give or take, it was three and a half to 4 billion when we were born. Wow. and that just blows me away. I remember as a kid, and I say as a kid, I don't know how old, but I remember hearing in the, you know, four and a half to 5 billion range. Mm-hmm. so that would've probably put me early teenager, maybe, I don't know, something like that, but four and a half to 5 billion and to realize that we're at nearly eight. That is just unbeliev. And where are all these people? I don't. Well, they're in Asia. That's where it's Well, Yeah. Cuz you look at the United States, I mean obviously you've got all these people around the coast and in some of those areas, take New York as a perfect example, they pile on top of each other. Yeah. Like they are vertically living, you know, story after story on top of each other. But then you've got the vast majority of the United States is empty compared to that. I mean, obviously there are some millions of people out there, but So spread out over all that land and you go flying Yeah. Over the us and you just realize how bare it all is. A lot of it is sparsely populated. Yeah. So think about China, China's. Well, I know they're over a billion. Are they pushing 2 billion? I have no idea, but they're number one, India's number two, and they're relatively close together. China and India, and then I think Indonesia is up there, top five. So that's three Asian countries right there. I think Russia is certainly in the top 10 and most of Russia's in Asia. So yeah, they're. They're all living in Asia. Well, not all, but the vast majority. I remember seeing something about if you were to, it's basically like the, the population of, what was it, China and India certainly maybe throwing in one or two other countries there, like between those three and four countries, the population of them. Was equal to the population of the whole rest of the world. Oh, wow. My God. And, and think about it, just like you said, if China's one pushing two, and let's say India is one and then Indonesian and all of that. By the time you've add those up, you are looking at three to four. Three. There's your house. Yeah. Reminds me of the office. Dwight was complaining about how crowded it was. Said we needed a new plague.
Chris:Yeah, we got it. Some people out
Jeff:Yeah, we did, didn't we? Yeah. So I remember hearing this. This blows my mind. But if you took the population density of Manhattan mm-hmm. and the whole world was that population density, everybody in the world could fit inside Texas really? Yeah. Well, I wouldn't wanna
Chris:live in it the whole population of the world at that density could live in Texas. OK.
Jeff:I mean,
Chris:yeah. Yeah. You're, they're, you're talking about stacked on top of each other? Yeah. The way they
Jeff:are there. Yeah. And I don't remember what it is. I think it's like 15,000 people per square mile or something like, Damn. And it would
Chris:stink.
Jeff:Oh my gosh. It'd be so stinky. Horrible, disgusting. See, just
Chris:put me anywhere. Well, you'd about say put me anywhere besides Texas on a normal day. Then you factored that in
Jeff:That's so true. Give me the fuck out. Yeah. You think we'll ever run outta spaces to bury people? I don't think.
Chris:I mean, if we've gone from 4 billion to 8 billion and look at all of the space that exists,
Jeff:how could we, I don't know. Maybe in certain areas.
Chris:Well, certain areas, yeah, but I mean, not the whole world. I think people are, we will probably do ourselves in or be done in. By the time that happens before that happens. Yeah, yeah. You're probably right. We're gonna, you know, we're all going to, we'll annihilate each other or global warming catches up or, or all of the above, you know, something's
Jeff:gonna happen. Another plague. Yeah,
Chris:another plague. Exactly. Of course, another thing to consider. This seems different than when I was a kid. Maybe it's just my expanded circle, but as a kid, I never heard about people being cremated. And then when I started hearing about it, I found it extremely disturbing because it was something I was not familiar with, didn't have experience with, had never known of it happening to anyone in any kind. Environment I was in. But as an adult, I've come across many, many times where I knew of people being cremated. And that's obviously something that would keep us from running outta room. Yeah, it would. And I think some countries do that more than others too. Yeah.
Jeff:Do you wanna be crem.
Chris:You know, I used to be really against it personally. I mean, for myself, I was, because the whole idea bothered me. Not like where people say, oh my gosh, am I gonna feel it? And things like that. But just the, the idea that what was here is no longer here. I mean, it's, it's the, the pure lack of existence. Yeah, and to think, to think that, well, in some form we don't have to go in all that detail but in some form I would always be here, you know, if I weren't cremated. And so I think that whole idea bothered me, but honestly, I don't really care now. I just don't. I feel more like, and, and this is another thing about, well, just funerals and, and all of that in general, is I feel like that is for the people who are left behind. I, I get the idea of having the funeral for, you know, a time to pay tribute and respect and all of those things. You can also be doing that for the person while they're alive if you actually care about that person enough to be doing it. Right. And otherwise, it's like the, that tribute and, and the remembrance and everything to me seems more about the people who are left behind. Like this is our time to remember and to grieve and all those kinds of things. And so I think I feel more like. Whatever. Everyone who is left behind wants to do is OK with me. Like if, if they are more comfortable with me being buried, OK. If you're more comfortable with me being cremated, OK, I'm not here, so
Jeff:do I really care? Yeah, it doesn't matter. You're not gonna know. It's like, I remember some comedian talking about that is like when I'm dead, like what does it matter what you do to me? I don't care. You can fuck me if you want Fuck me in whatever hole. He said What? You can create another hole and fuck me in that. I don't care. Oh
Chris:damn. See? Might care about that I don't wanna know. Let's, let's just say that
Jeff:my son told me yesterday they were, uh, studying evolution in his biology class. Mm-hmm. and they had a test on it, and a student returned his paper and he wrote on it. I don't believe in evolution. I'm not answering any of these. Whoa. She gave him a zero. I told my son that was the best thing I've heard all week so far. Yeah,
Chris:that's pretty great on both sides actually. It's
Jeff:hilarious.
Chris:I was in, uh, my sophomore English class in high school. We had our, our, uh, test passed out. I started on the test. Everybody's kind of starting on the test. We had.
Jeff:Goofball in our class. He wadded it up, threw it in the
Chris:trash, and walked outta the room. Why? That was it? Uh, didn't know shit, I guess. Wow. I mean, I don't know why else there would be, but just looked at it and have absolutely no fucking clue.
Jeff:What's the point in doing anything? So. I had a student once. He showed up late through the test. He walked in like 15 minutes late. He didn't have a Scantron. I was given the test on Scantron. He didn't have that. And that's never a good sign. When a student shows up on the day of the test and they don't have a Scantron, no, 99% of the time they're not gonna do well But anyway, he took the scan. Everybody else had already started taking the test. He sat back there for like five minutes and walked up and turned his test in, and he had marked A, B, C, D, a, B, C, D down the whole Scantron. That's all he did. Really? Just marked it up. Yeah. He got, I think it was an 18, he got, it wasn't over 20, it was like a 16 or an 18 or something like that. Well, hey, yeah, it's better than a zero. Better than a zero. I would think though, wouldn't you be better off just doing one letter all the way down? Probably. I don't know. I guess maybe. Maybe it depends, but
Chris:un unless you intentionally mess with stuff, your bees and Cs tend to be more common answers. So I would've gone, you know, with Bs and C's, mix in a few As and D's and
Jeff:probably get a better. I would never just throw away a test. Like if it's multiple choice, just pick a letter. Oh
Chris:no, it wasn't multiple choice. This is Oh, an essay. Like an
Jeff:essay. Yeah. Can't you write something though? Yeah. Well,
Chris:I guess. Evidently not We did have a great teacher, and by that I mean you couldn't bullshit him and especially. I mean, this is English. This is literature. He was an expert in that literature. Yeah. If you haven't, well, I was gonna say if you haven't read it, but there were books I didn't read. If you're not knowledgeable on the book, I'll put it that way. There, you
Jeff:had no chance. Um, I remember in. Well sort of been freshman year of high school in US history. We were studying, um, like early 19 hundreds. So we were talking about unions and we had to define terms on the test, and one of the terms was scab. And this kid put what forms on your body after you have a cut or something of that. Something like, And the teacher gave him half credit.
Chris:Oh my gosh.
Jeff:Why? I don't know. I have no idea.
Chris:Mm-hmm. That's great. I remember we did The Crucible in my junior year of high school.
Jeff:Yeah. You know, that
Chris:was the Salem Witch trials. Yeah. I didn't read it. I could say that for most, most everything
Jeff:Right?
Same
Chris:here. I knew it was, I knew it was Salem. Yeah. Salem I knew was an organ So that's what I said And I was, I was, I was, um, sorely. Shocked and dismayed. When I saw it was Salem, Massachusetts,
Jeff:They had already made it all the way to Oregon in 1630. That's what
Chris:I was gonna say. Knowing that it was the 16 hundreds, I at least see I should have, I should have just stopped at Salem. Like I
Jeff:didn't
Chris:even, yeah. Why did I have to add to it Salem? I was right. I just then put it on the completely wrong coast and where nobody was yet.
Jeff:Did you get the Cliffs notes in high school? Is that what you did? That's how I tried to get around, not reading books. I
Chris:did, I know that year that, like that year that we did The Crucible, I did. But my sophomore and senior year, I had the same teacher, the one that I was just talking about that was really great with literature and all that, and he said, I read all the cliff notes. I know what they say. If you come in here and try to put on tests, the ideas that they had, I'm gonna know it. And so, yeah, people pretty much stayed away from it with him. So no, I didn't. Now I did that middle year. The disappointing thing to me about the cliff notes was they're still kinda long Oh, I know. So like I thought this was supposed to be a condensed version, and I'm reading a lot of paper here.
Jeff:I know, yeah. Yeah. I remember my senior year in high school, we had a test over, I don't remember what book it was, and of course, I had not read it, not a single page. And I hadn't even bothered to get the Cliff's notes yet. and there was an, uh, a guy in my class who hadn't read the book or gotten the Cliffs notes either. So we're like, OK, let's go get the Cliffs notes and read it. And we went to the bookstore together. and they had one copy of the Cliff's Notes left. So
Chris:we just
Jeff:tore it in half and he took half and I took the other, oh my gosh, And we just hoped for the best. I don't remember what I got on the test, but I don't think it was very good.
Chris:That's awesome. Wait, you didn't, you didn't trade after
Jeff:that? Cause the Tesla, the test, the Tesla was the next day. So, oh, this was crunch. Yeah. Mercy. That's a lot to cover. Yeah,
Chris:well, it is. I did the same thing with the actual books where I'd try to just cram in all kinds of stuff in one
Jeff:night before I had teachers tell us that kind of stuff. I can tell if you've read the Cliff's Notes and not the book and all that, and I don't know if that was true. I always felt like they were trying to bullshit us into just reading the. That's very
Chris:possible too. Yeah, I know. Um, that my junior year, that year I had the other teacher, this is funny. It, it ended up being the same guy, who the year before had wadd up his test and threw it out. Yeah. In, in our junior year, she asked some question, this is about Huckleberry Finn, and she asked some question. He gave this long, drawn out answer of some symbolism that he was seeing in the book and the, and I was one of those people who had read that in the cliff notes, and there were some other people in the class who obviously had to, we were all looking at each other just laughing because he was given, I mean, OK, I'm not saying what he said was wrong, but it sure wasn't his idea. And he was said it and she just looked at him like, that's a really great interpretation. She had
Jeff:no clue. Yeah, no clue at all. No. I wish Now I had read those books in high school. Mm-hmm. But now I don't want, like, I want to have read those books, but I don't wanna read them. You know what I mean? No. Like, I don't, I don't want
Chris:to either. And some of them I really wanted to then, but I think we've talked about this on here before. I don't know. Uh, I just couldn't concentrate on those things. Yeah, I was really good. Active studying math, science, things like that where you had to do, if it was just sitting and reading. I was horrible at being able to concentrate and there were so many books that I wanted to read and so then when they got assigned and I wanted to take the opportunity, but I was the same way with all of them, I just couldn't concentrate and the time would go by. It's like, well, it's time for the test on this book and holy shit, what am I gonna.
Jeff:In the sixth grade, OK? For those of you who are not Gen Xers, uh, and you came in to this earth later on than that, then you might not really understand this. So you gotta understand we didn't have the internet. And so if you had a, an assignment to read a book, you had to either read the book. Yeah, you could get the Cliffs notes. or if there was a movie, you could watch that, but who knows how closely that's gonna stick to the book or not. So you're kind of playing with fire if you're gonna watch the movie and Yeah. In the sixth grade, I had to do a book report on Call of the Wild. Mm-hmm. and holy shit. You know, I get the book, check it out at the library and I start reading this. I can't read this, I don't, it was written in 1890, whatever. I don't wanna read this. And man, I hit the lottery call The Wild came on TV like two nights later, and I recorded it and watched it. And now I knew what to do for the book report. So yeah, I got lucky. But that's how it was. Did it match you? As far as I know. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris:Oh yeah. Our options were very limited. Now you could go on and find a million book reports on the book.
Jeff:Yep. Or go to chat G p t and just have AI write your report. Yep. This reminds me of George when he was in the book club with his girlfriend. They had to. Breakfast at Tiffany's. Breakfast At
Chris:Tiffany's? Yes. Have you ever seen that
Jeff:movie? Oh, I bailed on it like halfway through. I couldn't take it.
Chris:No, I couldn't believe it. I had heard so much about it for so long and like this is such a classic great movie and I'm watching it going, what is happen? How is this a thing? And I ended up watching the whole thing. I don't have a clue about it, except she was misguided and had a cat. And I, I don't even know. I, I just, I couldn't understand it to save my life of how that was such a big
Jeff:deal. Right. I, I have no idea. I, I bailed on it and, I couldn't tell you anything now about what it was about early on. I have no idea. I just remember not, I don't like this. Can't take it. Yeah. So maybe we should read the book. Maybe the book is better. That's what George was supposed to do.
Chris:That's right. Read the book.
Jeff:So there's something I'm fascinated with and it's Mount Everest and I can't really explain. Why does fascination begin? And I've told people I'm fascinated with Mount Everest before, and they're like, oh, you're in the mountain climbing or rock climbing. And no, I have no desire to climb anything. Right? Yeah. Like, um, no desire to climb up anything or climb down anything.
Chris:See, do you climb down a mountain? Do you climb down Everest?
Jeff:I don't think so. You say you're gonna
Chris:climb Everest. How do you get
Jeff:down? Right. You just, you, you walk, it's come down or nose dive
Chris:or, or you don't Some people don't They
Jeff:climb and that's it. Yeah. I'm fascinated with it. And so much of what I learned. I'm gonna recommend a book here. It's by John Crackour. Into thin air and it is about a, uh, an expedition on Everest back in 1996, and you might know about this cause it involved a doctor from Dallas, Beck Weathers is his name. And this was failed on so many fronts, but a bunch of people. and he got major frostbite and maybe I'll post some of these frostbite pictures in the episode notes, but it is, I do remember that. Yeah. I think he lost his nose and, uh, some fingers and toes. But I'm fascinated by it for a lot of different reasons and I just, one thing that sticks out to me is the, The lack of, of oxygen when you get that high and you have to acclimate yourself to the altitude. So when you're, when you're climbing Everest, you have to get to the base camp and get this, the base camp is 17,000 feet, so Wow. That's the first one. That is the first stop. Yes. Your base. And so you have to get acclimated. So you, you camp out at the base camp and then you, you know that that first day you go up to whatever thousand feet altitude and then you go back down and then you go up and then you go back down. You go a little bit far farther each day and you are having trouble breathing cuz it's so high. Mm-hmm. and it fucks with your body in so many different ways. I can't remember offhand all the things that it does to your body. You know, you're, you're not meant to be that high. You're not meant to have that, that uh, amount of oxygen. You're supposed to have a lot more. So your body is just freaking out the whole time. I think some of
Chris:it's almost, I don't know about the opposite of, but it's the kind of, the idea of the stress is put on your, put on your body in scuba diving. Yeah. You know, cuz then if you come up too fast, and it jacks with the carbon dioxide in your blood and you have to go on hyperbaric chambers and things like that. Mm-hmm.
Jeff:Yeah. And one of the things that, and you can see pictures of this too, but when you get so high, you start encountering dead bodies. People who have not made it and you can't. because you're so high and because you have to worry about yourself and the people you're with. You can't take the time to carry anybody down the mountain. You just can't do it. It's physically impossible, and so they just have to leave'em there and it's creepy. You, you're just walking along trying to get up, you know? And. Toward the top of Everest. There's about a third of the oxygen level that there is at sea level. So that's crazy. By the time, I mean, and they've been going for hours and hours and hours. So you take a step and then you have to just wait, and then you have to take another step and then just wait and try to get your breath and where they have to climb from. I don't remember how. Feet. It actually is how far away it is. But the, the thing you have to worry about is you gotta worry about getting back down and people get up to the summit and obviously that is the hard part. It's even harder to make it back down to your camp, uh, to where you can you. Replenish your oxygen and all that. And, and a lot of people run outta oxygen. They don't make it. They get frostbite, they, they freeze up. There's some, uh, I don't remember what the, the condition is called, but basically you, um, something with your lungs. and your lungs start bleeding and when that happens, you're done. Like you are gonna die. I was gonna say, I
Chris:think they can almost like fill with fluid or something. Yeah. So bleeding in their, yeah. It's, it's uh, it's amazing that people can make it up there and then not make it down. You would think it's hard enough to make it up
Jeff:there. Yeah. By that time they've been going for so long.
Chris:Yeah. I have seen pictures. A line of people waiting to get to the summit. Yeah. Like there are so many people at a given time and people have died in line. Yes. Because they're waiting so long in that lack of oxygen and the cold, they die in line before they ever get up there. And you know, I was gonna say this before, they have actually named these bodies. People. Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah. People that are on the path going up, they have named them. There's like green boots and some like they've named them based
Jeff:on, oh, now that you say that, what they're wearing
Chris:and things like that. And yeah. That's horrible though, to, to think. I mean, I would love to experience seeing. I also don't have the desire to do the climb. That that's just not me. I, I don't care about doing the climb. Mm-hmm. I would like to experience being up there and I know, you know, for so many people, that's just the part of it. Like, well, they want to experience the climb as. As a conquest of being able to, to see it from up there. To me, I just want to see it. It's kinda like being in space. I would love to be in space. I don't have the desire to go and come back
Jeff:Right, exactly. You know, I could just be
Chris:there, but, uh, I, I think it's amazing. I mean, it's 29,000 something feet. Mm-hmm. you've got airplanes that fly at that altitude. Right. And when you. I think this is cool that you can see this on planes sometimes now, or they give you, you know, this data on the seat back video thing. Yes. And it will tell you the outside temperature and that outside temperature can be negative 50. Negative 60 degrees. Yep. And to think, um, hello, that's like being on the top of that mountain
Jeff:and the best time. Evidently, and that's when this, uh, in the book, that's when this expedition was the best time is like May to early June to climb Mount Everest. So you're talking about late spring, and I don't remember why. I think it's storms, storms are always a concern about that environment. And so I think that's why they don't go like, you know, in the height of the summer. Yeah. It's just fascinating. And when people are crapping out at like 20,000 feet, 25,000 feet, there's nothing they can do. They can try to get people up there to rescue you, but you can't have a helicopter because there's not enough air. There's not enough. The air's too thin for the helicopter to even operate. They have made rescues at base. But that is really, really pushing the envelope at 17,000 feet for a helicopter. Like they're not supposed to go that high. And it's risky. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I'm, I'm fascinated with Everest, and that's honestly one of the best books I've ever read into Thin Air by John Crackour. I think there is a documentary that covers that same expedition. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's, it's really good. It's a good book. That's definitely
Chris:something to check out. I'll have to look into that. Yeah.
Jeff:I don't think they have Cliffs notes on it though.
Chris:Well, I mean, the documentary, not the book. Surely you just,
Jeff:OK, there you go. That is another episode. And if you ask me right now, I should put a gun to my head. I, I'm not sure what all we just talked about. I know we just talked about Everest. I remember talking about world population. You know, we covered some
Chris:school stuff. We, we did what we do. We, yeah, we, we had conversations about
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Chris:good luck with your jury duty. Hope it goes however you want
Jeff:it to. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Uh, in a weird way. Um, yeah, I gotta take off work. So that's something that is something, yeah. We'll see if it materializes, but I don't think I'll get chosen, but I will definitely report on that. My experience. All right. There you go. That is another episode of Subpar Talks, and until next week, so long.
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