From Retreat to Real Life: A Healer’s Journey with Sonya Mellado

What if the one practice you’ve been avoiding is the one that finally lets your body exhale? Our conversation with Sonya traces a real, lived shift—from “doing all the right things” to a gentler, deeper healing that starts with breath, boundaries, and honest self-trust. We revisit a Mexico retreat that changed her trajectory, where breathwork cracked old armor and a Temazcal ceremony turned surrender into something you can feel in your bones. That turning point didn’t hand out instant fixes; it gave her a reliable path back to herself—and a morning ritual that finally stuck.

We unpack why meditation clicks when you stop forcing a single method. Guided audio, movement, humming, cards, coloring—each practice counts when it interrupts the mental loop and teaches your nervous system safety. Sonya shares how speaking truth and setting clear boundaries reshaped her relationships and work, and why letting go of outcomes is less about passivity and more about trust. We challenge the comparison trap that drains creative healers, explore a seasonal “harvest” lens for mid-year course corrections, and name what so many feel but rarely say: healers need safe places to be human, too.

We also tackle the difference between supportive routines and root-cause healing. Supplements, diet, massage, yoga—they help. But without addressing emotional trauma, the body can stay locked in a low-grade alarm, right down to cellular energy and the cell danger response. By pairing breathwork and ritual with grounded frameworks, Sonya found a way to reprogram safety, not just stack habits. Along the way, we break the myth that healing must be in-person; with clear intention and ethics, online sessions can be profoundly effective and globally accessible.

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Transcript

Why Share This Client Story

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to the Tokyo Common Podcast. I am the only host with the monsters, and I am back again with another episode. When I release this one, I'm actually going to be in House, New Mexico, leading my father and Florence retreat. And so for this week, I actually want to introduce to you one of my longtime clients, a very good friend, Sonia Matthew. And Sonia lives in Central Florida for extremists to me on a monthly basis in my office for body work and for spiritual counseling and feeling as well. And Sonia for South Feelers to License Therapist as a teacher field of teachers, sound fielders, studying astrology, Reiki Master, Uname it speeds in it for. And so I did an interview with her at one of our last sessions together as a way to open her up and she's wanting to be able to find different outlets to share her truth. And so I asked her, I said, friend, I really need to make a video showing testimonials and conversations with real clients so that people can see on social media of how people can benefit from this daily work and how it has impacted their lives. So she's helping me and I'm helping her. And I really felt that this interview went so well and I was so proud of her that I wanted to share it as a podcast episode. So listen to our interview together in my office. There's a lot of laughter, and we talk a lot about different uh topics, but I hope you really enjoy it. And I'm so proud of Sonia, and I'm grateful for her to allow me to share this and to be able to help her share her story.

How We Met And Reconnected

SPEAKER_01 2:06

We've known each other since 2018. Yeah. You used to work with me in my first iteration of whatever this is in Sarasota. You know, and even though it was for a brief moment, you were moving to Chicago at that time. And I was like, whoa, you started and you're like, ah, you know, but we continue to stay connected. And even though, you know, Sarasota just it was not meant to be, it was just a catalyst for this whole personal transformation of mine. You know, we continue to connect one another. Whether you came back to Florida, you left Florida, came back. You know, I've done those journeys too, and just somehow Florida has these routes where you gotta go and you gotta heal, you gotta get your shit right. And then you can go, exactly. And sometimes that takes a couple of years. I'm still in it. Um, but I want to know what drew you to reach back out to me and to actually start driving all the way from Seabring or from Sarasota to come and see me. And I know it was for body work, and it still is for body work, but what is it within you that you felt that you wanted to like, you know what? I I need something. What is it? What is that thing for you? Just so I I know.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Um well, because I know you uh personally, and I felt you always understood me. Yeah. Um, and there's not very many people that I feel do.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Well, with your Aquarius, we're both air signs, so I understand Aquarius is a lot.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

It's not only that you just you always understood me, you always held space for me, you always wanted what was best for me. You know, even when I worked for you and you knew I was leaving, you weren't thinking about you, like, oh no, I'm I'm losing somebody. I just hired her, I just trained her, I just certified her, and now she's leaving. Yeah. You always wanted what was best for me. Yeah. And you've always supported me. Yes. And you continue to. And now that it's been so many years and you've worked with me and on me, and I've attended, you know, retreats with you, you know me even more. Yes. And I know you're you're highly intuitive. And so I I trust you. I trust you. I believe in you. Um, you've been my inspiration, my guide, my guru, my therapist, like my everything. And I've just felt like I've I've just come a long ways. And I just I don't even have words for the amount of gratitude I have for you and what you do. Well, thank you, friend.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

You know, it's I always like to know what is the catalyst for people, like what is it that they feel inside, what clicks in their brain for them to be like, I'm gonna take a chance, and even if that we know each other, but like for people who don't know me, who are just out here and somehow find me on Google or find me on socials or through word of mouth, or like, what is it that makes them be like, today is the day I'm gonna call. Today is the day I'm gonna book the appointment. I want to go in, I want to experience something. I don't know what it is, yeah, but I need some help, you know. So it's I'm always curious about that because I it helps me to formulate a pattern for that person and it helps me to like anchor in, like, they may have started here, but this is all the things we're gonna get into, hopefully over time, if it's meant for us to work together. So I really appreciate you sharing that. And it means a lot to me to have someone say, I trust you in your word and through the things that you have done and your actions have matched up to your words, because I do strive to be a person of my word and action together.

Trust, Support, And Choosing Help

SPEAKER_01 5:53

What do you feel that spirit, the universe, source, whatever God is for you, is putting in your heart to shift and change over the past couple of years? Where do you feel like it was the first thing that you became aware of of like I think this has to shift in my life? I might need some help, but I know that this is not okay in the same way. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_00 6:21

It's been a long journey. Yeah. Um, I know for many, many, many years it's been about trusting in myself. Yeah. And self-love. Um, the self-love thing I thought I was doing, you know, because I didn't research a lot, but I didn't really truly get it until you know the last you know few months. Yeah. Um and then the the trusting is is been a thing as well. And a lot of you know, the distrust or whatever has maybe a lot to do with things that have happened to me, you know, yeah in the past. Um I think things majorly started to to shift, like a big major, major transformation was the retreat in Mexico. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I had no clue that breath work could do that kind of transformation for you. And I think everything the retreat brought was like all of the activities that that you've led, um, even the the Temascal. Mind-blowing, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:31

And I was so proud of you getting like chills of my legs because I feel that I feel that like we've been working together on so many things for yourself and then interpersonal relationships over the years. But when you were like, I want to go to Mexico and I was recommending it to you, I just felt in my heart from spirit saying, like, this could really be the turning point that she needs if she allows herself to surrender and to, and it was almost like she's prepared for it, she's ready for the next level. It's scary, it's uncomfortable. Um, but when you're there and you're like, well, I can't, I'm proud of myself. And like, I can't believe I was like missing out on those, you know? But you get to where you get to be in the right timing. Yeah, yeah. I definitely feel that that week in Yulapa was just like, who I mean, for you, for me, yeah, for sure. And yeah, breath work. I mean, that's why I'm such a huge person about it. And like I always say my podcast, like, it's changed my life in the last three and a half years. It really has, and I love sharing it with people, whether in groups or one-on-one, because if it's worked for me, it might work for you, you know. If it's safe for you to do it, does it hurt to try? Right, you never know. You never know. You know, we're we're breathing with intention. Um, and I remember, you know, watching you, because you know, I watch everybody as I walk the floor, and I was like, she's breathing, she's breathing. I hope she she gets there and we hit right at the end.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Is that gonna work for me or not? Yeah, hell yeah, it sure does.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Yeah, it caught you by surprise, and it just cracked you right open, and that's what you needed. And then being in the Tamascal, Tema Scal is intended to be hard. I call it fire breath work because the fire is the breath, it creates the steam, and we're breathing it in and we're sweating our asses off in darkness sitting there, yeah. Really close to other people where everyone is getting cracked open in different ways, whether they want to or not. They made the conscious choice to go in and we set the intention.

Mexico Retreat As Turning Point

SPEAKER_00 9:54

It's spirit comes in and it's like you know, yeah, we are that one was that was hard for me. It was pretty intense, but I want to do it more, yes, until I get over, you know, whatever fears came up, you know, when we were in there. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

And that's what Temascal is is the journey of going into the mother's womb to face the fears, a new fear every time. And sometimes it's old fears coming up, but with different perspectives, different lenses or ends, as I say. I mean, it's it's powerful, and that's why it's such um an old tradition in Toltec Mayan Estee, just Mexican practice of spirituality, of just sequestering yourself, isolating yourself, shutting out the external world, and returning back to the mother, as we say, back to the back to the heart. So why not be in a human kiln? You know, um indigenous American people, how the sweat lodge. It's the same thing. We yeah, we're just stripping away from the external world and the external noise to come back to ourselves. And it's hard, it's hard to be still. Very much so. We both struggle with the mind circling, you know. I know you're just like, girl, mommy's going around. I couldn't sleep last night, you know. Um, and aside from the earth frequencies, energetic things, astrological transits, we're going to through shifts and changes, and I feel like the human brain is trying to catch up to what the soul is saying. Yeah, the soul knows truth, soul has a blueprint, the human mind just has a struggle from the human body limiting perspective. So it's like not aligning a little bit. And sometimes we do have these moments. Um, another question I want to ask you is what do you feel are the top three things that you have learned or integrated or implemented into your life from or time together?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Okay. Um, pretty, pretty much for a good major part of my life, I knew meditation was super important. You know, all the books that I read and and people that I've talked to, you know, do you meditate? And meditation is important. And as much as I had tried, I wasn't able to do it. Yeah. I don't know what happened in Mexico, but since then I've meditated every single day since coming back from the retreat. It's powerful. And so being able to sit still and breathe and go within has been like a major, yeah, a major thing. And I I love it. I really, really do. I've now created, you know, a whole morning ritual or routine. Um, that if I don't start my day with that, I just, you know, it doesn't flow the way I would like it to.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm proud of you for that because I don't have the capacity in the mornings. Like in the mornings, I have my gratitudes. Um, it's harder when I'm in physical pain. Sometimes I'm just like, fuck, you know. Um, but for you to create a ritual

Breathwork And Temazcal Breakthroughs

SPEAKER_01 13:10

and be consistent with it, that's powerful. That's inspiration for me because I struggle with that. And it's one of the things that the cards always like make create a fucking ritual, you know. And for me, I do it in the evening. I'm such a night owl. I like to close down my day with reading my cards or just reflecting, you know. Um, I think that's powerful. And I think that's breath work. I think that's breath work that cleared that mental block for you, whether conscious or unconscious, that was telling you I don't have the ability to do meditation.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

I think you work through that. Tim Askal made you get rid of that because you really had to go with it and focus. Yeah. Um, and then you were like, oh, well, maybe if I find meditations that I like, or different ways to meditate, or things that bring me out of the loop, I am meditating.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Right. Yeah. And then I think that's where so many people get confused or lost or misunderstand. They think you know, meditating, you just sit still in one spot, eyes closed, you don't say anything, you don't do anything, you're just there. Right. And I have days where I can do that. There's days that I can't, but there's different types of meditation. There's you know, moving meditation, just guided meditation. Sometimes if I'm just chanting or humming or singing to a favorite song and you know, playing along on an instrument with it, yeah, that's meditative for me.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Exactly. And that's what I tell people is like meditating doesn't mean like you have to sit there and just be like zen, you know, no, for long periods of time. Like if you get to that place and that works for you, that's amazing. I can't do that. My mind does not have a capacity to do that. But all these things that you said, that's what I tell people. Meditation is what gets you out of the day-to-day loop of kids, life, school, work, the to-do list, all my fears, all my doubts, all my bullshits, you know, what the mind is constantly like bringing up there. Yeah. It's like, hey, let's be chill. So I encourage, I love art and I love artists because I'm like, man, if I had the time and the ability to develop those skills, if it was of interest to me, that is my meditation. People that write, people that paint, people that sew, people that create music. Wow, these are different artistic healers, or Tultic, as we say, Nawal, the artist of their lives. And I just feel like there's so many outlets that people don't realize you're already meditating. Just have an observation of what your mind is like during that time. Yeah, because something's not color. Exactly. Yeah, coloring book. I remember when that was all the rage for adults, you know, they're like a coloring book. And I'm like, yeah, you're refocusing your mind on a different task. It might seem childlike, but you're creating. And your mind is able to just be free and process and release and let go and think about things without excess noise.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

I love that. So what's two other things that you feel?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

The alar learning to trust and my myself and and then the universe, and that you know, things happen when they're meant to happen, and um just have to let go. Yeah was another major thing for me for the longest time. Yeah. Learning to let go. Yeah. Um, I'm not perfect, you know. I still have these things that, you know, I'm constantly, you know, getting better at. But yeah, and it it is a journey. It's not, you know, it's not a nice work, and I woke up and I'm healed today. There's nothing wrong with me. No, it's like a life thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

No, no, no. It's it's definitely a lifelong thing because life will then be like, okay, you may have integrated and found wholeness and acceptance in this area. Now we're gonna bring this to your attention. Next up on the plate is this, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Yeah, and then speaking, speaking my truths, not being afraid to be who I am and say what it is that I need to say.

Meditation Finally Clicks

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Um, with that being said, you know, I've gotten more into, well, I think I've always been into, you know, the the horoscope and signs and astrology and whatnot. But since I've let myself be more open to it, it's helped me to learn more about me. And that's where a lot more of the love and acceptance has come into play. So I guess I could say for right now, for the first time, I can truly say that I I love me and accept me for who I am. And that's just amazing. So when I tell you that I love you, like I am so grateful for you, Noemi. I don't, I mean, the universe just put us in each other's paths for you know a reason. I never thought eight years ago when I met you that we would be doing something like this. So no, it's amazing just how things, you know, kind of evolve on their own. And even though we've, you know, kind of come apart and come back together and become more involved or less involved, you know, here we are. And yeah, supporting each other and our journey and you know, leaning on each other. And yeah. Yeah, it's just amazing.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

That's beautiful. Thank you, friend, because I feel that in my heart, you know, as healers, and you are a healer as well. We, you know, we do the same things um in our respective community of people. It's hard for us, I feel, sometimes to find people that we can feel safe to rely on. So safe to let down the guard, let down of this stupid identification of like healer and like the self-imposed pressures that we put to be a certain way because we feel that people perceive us or expect us to be a certain way as a guide, as a healer. Right. And you're just Sonia, and I'm just Naomi. And it's like, when can we let down our healer hair and be like, hey, I'm I just want to talk to you as a friend, I just want to just share with you. Do you have the space to hold this bullshit? You know? Yeah, for sure. And it's and it's hard. And so when you find that and you can be reciprocal with that, and it's an equal energetic exchange, it's really special. And no matter time and physical distance, you know, the wonderful things is we have different ways to communicate with one another, whether it's telephone, computer, telepathically, you know, because you and I do a lot a lot. Um we're always gonna stay connected and that's never gonna falter. It's it's so funny because you and I always talk about different healers that we need and the experiences that we have. And it's hard here, at least, you know, in Central Florida, I feel, to find healers that we trust that are willing to see us in person. And then when we find them, you know, we tend to kind of glum onto them until the season is done. But we do a lot of work online, and it's funny how so many people are so afraid to do healing work online. Like they feel like it won't work, like they have to be physically with the person or they have to know them. Like, I keep getting this thing where people are like, Oh, you can do readings online. Don't you have to know the person? Don't you have to be there in person? And I was like, No, you know, you know, it's like it's about connecting the energy, it's about doing a meditation, it's about opening the energy and trusting that spirit is gonna come no matter where you are. When we go to retreats, you know, aside from you in Mexico, I didn't know any of those ladies, you know. I I was just kind of like, all right, let's do readings, boom, boom, boom, you know, like I don't know your life, I don't know anything. I'm just reading based on what spirit is showing me, and that's anywhere. Yeah, but it's cool that we can still find people online and programs and healings and things to support us, even when our schedules don't align or location doesn't align for us to meet together. We can still do that. That will that's a really incredible way that technology has moved forward to

Redefining Meditation And Ritual

SPEAKER_01 21:10

make spirituality accessible to all people, healing for all people, because before you had to travel to the healer. Yes, yeah. And in shamanic practice, as you know, like all these different groups of people and tribes had their own healer in the community. So it was just like going to their tent, you know, going and just talking to them, making an appointment to talk to them. But in our modern society, that isn't always possible. And so seeing resources like online accessibility is so powerful because it's not a limitation, it's actually a really freeing tool.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Yeah, it is. I love online, I mean, for and for all things, but yeah, it it has its place and its purpose. Um, because you know, with all the new things that I'm wanting to add to my practice, and people are like, well, where do you want to practice at? Who do you want to be accessible to? And I'm like, the whole world. Yeah, me too. I was like, the whole world. Why does it have to be like one specific place or location? And you know, me, I'm a world traveler. I love to travel and meet people. If you want me to come to you, I'll come to you. Right. But I can help you from anywhere I'm at and wherever you are. Exactly. Um, with you know, all the new stuff. Of course, you know, massage is always, you know, hands-on. And I think that'll all be always be an important part for me because I'm very, you know, touchy-feely person and I love helping people through touch. Yeah. But, you know, there's other ways of helping people too that all together um are part of you know, a healing environment. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

And if sometimes we get so locked into this perspective of this is the way I think it should be, this is the way I want to work, this is the way I see other people do. And we start doing the comparison game of like, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. When we're like, oh, I see that healer being successful and they're doing this, and I watch their blueprints and all of that. And then we have our own like comparison mindset and our own fears, and then doubts creep in, and then we're like, oh, we're not doing it right. We're not doing everything. So then we start overworking, throwing things and seeing whatever sticks, and then when it doesn't stick for very long, then we start to panic. Yeah, and then we shut ourselves down instead of being like, okay, that's them. That's great. Exactly. What's me? We lose ourselves. Yeah, we lose ourselves, yeah, and then we cause our own anxiety and worry and fears.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Yeah, and a lot of it is more from fear instead of trusting.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

So trusting and checking in and slowing down. Yeah. I love fall because I feel like it's obviously the prelude to winter to the complete slowdown of death, rebirth, you know, all of that. But it's also like, let's reflect on the end of the Gregorian year, but we're in the middle of the astrological year. Where are we in our mid-year reflection? You know, where are we energetically and emotionally? It's a time of harvest of like, here are the seeds we've planted over a year ago. Are they still viable? Are they still good? Do I still want that? Is it okay to shift? Yes. Is it okay to be like, all right, that went to, you know, not deep good ground? That's okay. I'm shifting in a new direction. It's all this beautiful journey of unraveling at any given moment. That's why I always tell people, don't hold on to expectations and outcomes too much. And that's a message for me too, is I struggle with that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Don't hold on to expectations and outcomes because that's you controlling and you

Trust, Letting Go, And Speaking Truth

SPEAKER_01 24:40

telling God and the universe, hey, I want you to do it this way. Yeah, you're holding the reins instead of opening your hand, you're keeping your fists closed, you know, and um it's just it's very interesting. If you were to share your story with someone that's just finding you online randomly or finding this conversation that we're having, what would you want to tell them about what healing means to you or what how healing has, you know, obviously improved your life. But these type of healing modalities, how they can be beneficial. What how can you relay your message to somebody that's just finding you?

SPEAKER_00 25:23

It's a good question because I've been thinking a lot about that because I wanted to start my own videos and share my story and for some kind of podcast or something. Yeah. Um, and it's been such a long journey. I don't know, I don't know where to start. Yeah. It's okay. Um because I've gotten as far as I've gotten and I've done all the things that I've done, I would love to help others, you know, provide that safe space, inspire other people to start their journey somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Um, I think a lot of it, you know, trusting that little voice inside of you. Um that's a that's a big thing. Um, like you were saying, slowing down and trusting that things happen when they're meant to happen.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Um and paying attention, you know, to synchronicities.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

If I ask you, what does healing mean to you? How would you be able to answer that? Healing means to me. Self-care. Okay. What is it about self-care? What is self-care to you?

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Um respecting yourself, you know, having those boundaries and sticking to them. Yeah. That I think is a lot to do with loving yourself enough, respecting you. And then if you're doing that for you, then that's what you're gonna get from from others. Oh, you got me there. Hey, it's just it's a deep, deep question.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

It's a deep question, and that's why I ask that question a lot because healing has many facets, and there's many definitions, and we will come to our own understanding of truth of healing over the course of life. Right. Some people healing can be physical, that yes, you know, healing of the mind, healing of the heart. The soul is perfect in and of itself, um, but the spirit or energy in the body can become mishandled. Yeah, you know, and so healing, I love just hearing people's perspective because I think they need to hear it out loud. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

So I was and I was thinking about this this morning. So it's and it's funny that you say that because I've been on this journey for such a long time, and you know, eating healthy and supplements was such a big thing for me. And then, you know, would read more about self-care and I know, you know, massage and exercise and chiropractic. So I was doing all of those things, and even a doctor that I saw a lot um for over the last 20 years, a holistic, you know, doctor, gave me all the herbs and the supplements and everything, and I would take them and I would feel better. But I was always thinking, I said, there's just one super important component missing here, and it's the emotional healing. There you go. So going

Healers Needing Safe Space Too

SPEAKER_00 28:18

back and being willing to be open and vulnerable, even if it's with yourself. Yeah. You know, you don't have to be that way with people until you're ready. Yeah. Um, but you have to go back and heal that trauma. Um, I think that's a really super important root cause of a lot of it. And, you know, with what I'm dealing with now, yeah, and the stuff that I was doing to help to heal, you know, the the physical symptoms that I have, I just learned just within this past week, it's those are just kind of more or less like band-aids, even though it's natural and it's supplements and it's changing the diet, it goes back to healing the trauma and the emotional part of it. And also, um, this might be getting a little scientific, but like the mitochondria, yeah, the energy, the ATP. Yep. And you have to heal the cell danger response. That's powerful. Big words. I just learned it. That's awesome. And I'm like, holy shit, yeah. Okay. So I'm like, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, looking at it from a bigger, you know, point, a bigger picture, more than just like food and supplements and meditation and you know, massage and chiropractic and yoga, right? But having to reprogram the body because we're stuck in that fight or flight for so long, the body forgets how to relax. The body and know that it's safe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

And that's what I tell people. And like when you experience trauma in any way, shape, or form at any age in your life, it affects your DNA. It can go down to the cellular level. And if you go untreated, the body will respond. You know, I can't say for sure that a lot of illnesses, disease, it's not in ease, cancers, things like that. There has, I feel like there is some capacity for some emotional rooting to happen. What is something that's deep down that's still holding on to you that's now manifesting? Not always, not always, you know, especially with young souls, young children that get sick and things like that, you know. But it's also like check your anger, you know, there's nothing wrong with anger, but don't let it become rage, don't let it become a festering wound, right? Affecting your liver, you know, affecting your heart, affecting your brain, fears, worries, anxieties. I feel like that can lead to dementia and Alzheimer's and other cognitive things and the inability to focus and other things, you know, it affects the eyes and motor functions, um, you know, things like that, where it's like, that's why I always say we have to get to

Online Healing And Global Access

SPEAKER_01 31:06

the root of the trauma. And that's the work that I like to do with people.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

And I'm glad that you're able to be in a place to recognize that, to understand that's what I mean when I say, like, okay, you have all of these symptoms. Yes, all of these practices are wonderful self-care. Why are you still circling the drain? What is the drain? The drain goes to the root, and you're afraid to go down the drain because it's scary and dark and gross. I get it. But if we don't go down to the drain and draino it out, unplug it, it's never gonna get better. It's just gonna fill up until it explodes. Yeah. And then don't know how bad that explosion's gonna be. Right. It's worse, I think, to clean up an explosion than to go down to the roof and get it out.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Yeah. And see with me, I don't know that it wasn't I wasn't willing to. I just I didn't know how.

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Most people don't. And that's this work, and that's what I feel my shamanic work is giving people a framework to see if it works for them to understand the how.

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It may not be for everybody. There's different hows, there's different patterns. Um, and they're all wonderful if they're done with integrity and authenticity and safety, um, with good intention. Um, but this is just one framework. And if it resonates and it works for you, I want to be able to continue to support people in whatever patterns, rituals, practices that they do to keep unclogging the drink. Right. Yeah. Well, I'm here for more. You got a lot of hair in that green. Oh, I love it. Okay. I think this is a good place to stop. You feel good? Yeah. Well, that was my interview with Sonia Mayato. And if you are finding this episode, thank you so much for listening and hearing our dialogue together. I hope it inspires you. I hope it gives you questions to think about and to reflect on for your own healing journey and know that you are a beautiful soul. There is a purpose and a plan here for you. There is a reason why you are incarnated in this lifetime and you are not alone. You've got a friend in me. And if you are interested in working with me, I do offer online healing sessions where we can really dive into your life and the areas that you want to work on and create healthy frameworks to be able to teach you, to give you the tools to be able to move forward and activate your own healing, to be able to reframe your mind and create the reality that you desire. You can learn all about that on my website, www.joyfulshaman.com. But until we meet again, friend, be well in Satna.