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Pooping Bears, Emus, and Failed Army Campaigns: The Art of Brand Mascots
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Intro to Advertising Analysis
Speaker 1Anyways , up next on this episode of the Nerd Brand Podcast . We are talking about advertising that has definitely impressed us , and then we're going to play the music and we're back . So last week we talked about Google AI summaries and how they're available in audio format . So hopefully my internet holds up here and we'll see how the streaming turns out , but they're available in audio format . So hopefully my internet holds up here and we'll see how the streaming turns out , but they're available in audio format . So instead of reading your search results , you can now listen to them . Now research has come out . I have to add this , because I saw this last night that AI is not making us more inquisitive and it's not making us better . It's making us actually , I guess , worse cognitively , because we're not .
Speaker 2I've heard that as well . Yeah , You're not using certain factors of your brain , You're only I guess I don't know the specific terminology but you're only using , like the inquiry part of your brain versus like using the creative part of your brain .
Speaker 1If using the creative part of your brain , if that makes sense yeah , it's like it's all like , hey , tell me about this and do to do , listen to it , but then you don't have an engagement where you're able to more accurately like divulge that without that tool . And so it's almost like some people try to make the comparison to a calculator , to back in the day when we just did all the math , the only thing is but the paper never , like in the calculator , never gave you the answer , though .
Speaker 1That's the thing . You never . You never asked the calculator , or you had to know what to input , so you became more or less an operator of the device . Now it's like there's really no operation to AI , it's just question and answer , like you and me right now .
Speaker 2Right , unless you use it for certain . I don't know idea generation , because I feel like there's times like that or to condense stuff . I use it for doctoring .
AI's Impact on Cognitive Function
Speaker 2It's never a replacement tool , it's a resource is what I have always saw it as .
Speaker 1Oh , you go down the WebMD hole . Is that what you do ?
Speaker 2No , not that I don't know . That's just my philosophy that I've accrued over the past couple of years when it's been at our exposure .
Speaker 1Ah , okay , I was just like wait , don't do that , michaela , don't WebMD , you'll have cancer every time no , I'm not becoming a hypochondriac .
Speaker 2I promise there's only one room for one person in my life that has that yeah , yeah , you always leave that one thing to them .
Speaker 1It's like no , you own that , that's fine . I don't , I can't do the stress , so
Charmin: Making Bathroom Talk Mainstream
Speaker 1anyways . So let's talk about some brands . We're going to talk about charmin , liberty mutual and the us army . So , um , charmin , starting with that , I feel like they're amazing , because talking about poop wasn't a thing like it always has been a thing with guys . But let's talk . Let's think about Star Trek , like 1950s or 60s , when the show came 60s .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , 60s would be great .
Speaker 1Yeah , predates both of us by far Be more or less my parents . I don't even know if it'd be your mom .
Speaker 2Yeah , my parents were born in the early 60s , so yeah .
Speaker 1Okay , so anyways , no bathroom . Like that ship all the way up to Next Generation in the 90s . And now it's like where's the bathroom ? Nobody's ever really , I recall , said I'm going to go to the bathroom . Like they didn't introduce a shower until the motion picture . And so when the motion picture came out , then you saw a shower and then they explained it was like some kind of hypersonic . I don't know hyp , hypersonic , I don't know why I said that . Uh , it's sort of like a I don't know sound type shower to generate uh stuff to wash yourself . Anyways , go watch the motion picture if you do makes me think of uh psycho yeah , well , if you do go watch that , it's got a vibe to .
Speaker 1Well , the character in there had the same haircut as as that because they did the . Uh , the lady that was the Vulcan on that show ? I think . No , she wasn't a Vulcan , she was something else , she was bald-headed actually .
Speaker 1Anyways , if you want to watch the motion pictures of Star Trek out there , be warmed and filled and on your way , and do so , because you'll just be bored . But lots of shots of the ship , so didn't have a bathroom . Then they put out schematics , you know , because nerds like to know like where is things actually at on a ship like that . And the schematics come out and it's like , oh , there's like one bathroom and they stuck it over in a corner and I'm just like , really you had to like get a whole disc and you had to put it way over there it's like three decks and then go over like so many yards and just to go pee . So that's funny .
Speaker 1But Charmin comes out and they do what they do and it's like , oh , it's cool again , so it's not a problem . So I want to bring up their YouTube page . So yeah , I mean they literally we all know everybody goes . Why not enjoy the go . I mean , you know what ? Where have you seen this in advertising in years and they've done this really well where they have made advertising about pooping a thing and , you know , getting really down to like without showing somebody doing the act and clean .
Speaker 2Right .
Speaker 1They not wiping butt , Right . They've even gone that far . I mean you got a bear like riding a toilet . I mean this doesn't get . It's just funny to me . And now we all know they're bears , so what's the joke ?
Speaker 2Oh man , I didn't even connect those dots until just now . That's funny .
Speaker 1Yeah , so you got a bear even talking about little stuff on the bum when you wipe , and it didn't come all the way off . I know everybody knows what I'm talking about because oh , gosh , that makes me think of my dad .
Speaker 2He used to . It was the Eddie Murphy joke that he would recite oh man , funny , fun stuff .
Speaker 1Yeah , but you know this is a company that is like they just said . You know what ? We're not going to lean into it , we are going to own it . And then you know they found ways to advertise like how it's perforated now and how that avoids tearing . When you tear off something , I think a lot of people they wad and then it's made to fold , so you can I don't know .
Speaker 2Everyone's got a method and it's kind of like how you fold laundry . Everyone's like what's the way to do it ? And I'm like I really who's to say ?
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , it's just yeah . But you never heard Kirk say give the command to Spock , say you have the con because I got to go to the bathroom and so yeah , it's . You know , all these years later and you have a brand here that is . You know this is their thing and they do . You know short videos on it . I don't think it's YouTube's attempt to try to deal with TikTok , but they cut their videos to where they could be used in these shorts . As far as I know , tiktok is still on . Today was actually the cutoff day for it , believe it or not . It was extended , so we still have TikTok as of June 20th . So we'll see what happens . But yeah , if our listeners out there are interested in Charmin , go to youtubecom , slash Charmin and subscribe to their stuff and , I don't know , enjoy the bears talking about
Liberty Mutual's Mascot Strategy
Speaker 1the go . So there's that . What's your thoughts about this one about liberty mutual , because I know you've seen I just their jingle , I don't know .
Speaker 2It has given me a certain level of fatigue , like can we change , can we pivot ? Already , because I feel like the limu and this is just me , just my opinion , my opinion only uh , the limu emu , I feel like has become a little exhausted , and I don't know if you feel the same way , I don't know , but I feel like has become a little exhausted , and I don't know if you feel the same way , I don't know , but I feel like certain things like that have become iconic for certain viewers . It's kind of like the geico ads and how they . But I like how versatile geico goes , like that . You know they had the caveman and then they had the geico gecko . Like it's certain little features like that and they use them interchangeably . I feel like limuo Emu . Every time I hear the jingle , I'm just like and I disassociate .
Speaker 1Yeah , the latest one is the golf one , where they're out golfing and they got a whole series of those like we have on our screen here if you're watching us on YouTube or on video . But it's like , yeah , the Lemo Emu . So obviously Liberty Mutual L-i-m-u . Um , you got limo there and that's literally where I believe the name comes from . So I would imagine they were sitting in a marketing meeting and we're like , all right , well , okay , well , that's neat . What rhymes with limo , you know , and oh , and emo does , oh , okay , you know , because this is because both of these brands are very mascot-driven .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And most people probably wouldn't even know what an emu was Like . Oh , what's that ostrich doing on the screen there ?
Speaker 1Well , to be fair , I would mistake it for one . I wouldn't know the difference , but yeah , it's definitely a brand that . And then have you seen the ones with the baby , and it took me a while to figure this one out . They were doing a lot of these . They call them truth tellers . I don't know why they're called truth tellers , so if anybody out there knows , I'd like to know why they're called truth tellers .
Speaker 2Oh , because it's the fella that's like the other . I think that's kind of kind of like back to my point with geico and how they use like different interchangeable focus points within their ads . I think this is the other one where it's the guy that's wearing the leather jacket and he , like , drops these truth bombs to people who are just sitting on that bench there .
Speaker 1Oh , so he's actually a character Kind of like a cameo yeah .
Speaker 2Like a commercial cameo , if you will .
Speaker 1Okay , now I understand . See , this is what happens when you're over the age of 45 . You see this stuff and you're like I have no idea why is this guy in there and why is this a thing . And you just explained it . So , thank you , michaela , now I get it .
Speaker 2You're welcome . If it weren't for YouTube TV ads , I probably wouldn't know anything . Because I use Spotify , I dodge ads . I know I'm bad . I work for an ad agency and I skip all the ads . I'm an impatient girl .
Speaker 1Well , the thing is , yeah , but you're our project manager . You're not like Mitch , a creative director or you know , yeah , you're . You can get away with that and be like I don't know , I just make sure the projects get done on time .
Speaker 2Whatever you want to say .
Speaker 1You know , by the way , for the record for everybody out there , she does way more than that , but still . But yeah , that makes sense now , for the record for everybody out there , she does way more than that , but still , um , but yeah , that makes sense now . And you know , they do the Bibberti thing to get . I don't know what they're , what , what , what was the original like , where that came from , I don't know . Um , I would assume it's because , you know , babies talk cute , so liberty . Maybe they have problems with the l's and the b's , I guess so . But yeah , that's , that's been their thing . Um , worked out , it's worked out pretty well . I don't know how long it's been going . Um , you know their channel . They've got tons and tons of videos . I mean , at least on the limu emu , doug and the doug is funny , but yeah and doug , I mean there's just certain names and words that are humorous , like stand-up comedians will say this like Aaron , doug , steve , maybe not Aaron , but still .
Speaker 1AA Ron yeah , it's because of that . The AA Ron is why I remember John Aaron . But yeah , steve , for sure Steve is a funny name . It's like thanks , steve , and everybody will laugh you done , messed is a funny name it's like thanks , steve , and everybody laughs . You don't mess up AA Ron . Yeah , yeah , you don't mess up AA Ron . Yeah , I love .
Speaker 2Keegan-Michael Key . Sorry , I just had to .
Speaker 1But you've noticed , they're very specific about their banners . Two things I want to notice , especially for our video viewers notice where the icons are in the banners . Look at how centralized they are between the two . So you've got a nice adaptive thing where you've got the avatar and then you've got the , the banner at the top of the channel , and for both of them I mean very well done , very well laid out , um . So props to them for that . Uh , and of course I'm viewing on a desktop , so mobile , uh , would probably look . Let's see if I can pull off a mobile view um , yeah yeah it'll .
Speaker 1It kind of does the job um .
Speaker 2I don't think it just kind of cinches everything up a little bit yeah , I'm not sure that that's actually what you know .
Speaker 1It looks like on an iphone . But uh , we're gonna say that . Yeah , we'll just say like , okay , you get a pass . Anyways , those are those two brands . Um , just out of curiosity , not to put you on the spot , not to make you kind of have to think hard or anything , but you got a brand that you like .
Speaker 2I can just google it right now um well , we know , like you know what , what makes me not go like charmin , but you know what makes me go like energy wise , celsius and alani . You know I'm a big advocate for some energy drink brands yeah , let's see um , I'm probably gonna switch with the spelling .
Speaker 1There it is let's see what they got so alani was purchased um not too long ago um for celsius yeah , for a lot of money . Yeah , by celsius , uh , and you know celsius story of their branding , their product and what it looks like is absolutely amazing because oh , yeah , uh , you know they put that out there and they're like , look , it's got to look this way other than otherwise . It just didn't , it didn't sell . It's a great . I'll never forget .
Speaker 2Oh , I'm sorry . Finish your point . I'm sorry . Okay , I was walking around . I was in Chicago . What was it ? Yeah , it was in the wintertime , it was January and they had it was in Millennium Park . We were just waiting . We were walking around because we were waiting for our brunch spot to open up , a spot for us .
Speaker 2So , we put our name in and we were waiting . We were walking around Millennium Park and like right off on one of the shoulders , there was a Celsius car and I was like oh , that's cool . I wonder what they're doing . They're just handing out random Celsius and I'm like you know what . That's such a great way to put your name out there , cause I didn't know , lonnie did something similar at like a fitness event that I went to a couple years back , where , you know , they were just handing out free samples and I don't know . I I have a certain , uh , passion for caffeine because it just , you know , gives me the energy I need , makes me the person I want to be for the day . So , exactly , yeah , you can laugh at it . Um , so it's okay , um , but but yeah , like that , I thought you know , that's a great way , you know , sample the product yeah , this is something I'm noticing , like I'm going through .
Speaker 1I mean , there doesn't seem to be a face , a youtube page and they , they are running an ad , uh , here , sponsored , at the top . So , uh , anybody out there wants to contact us about doing this kind of stuff ? Uh , yeah , this is what we do . There's always people always like , what do you do ? It's like this . Uh , it's always good to show video on these things , to be like , yeah , that , right there , we just have to shoot the video , which is what we do . And therefore , you know , on and on and on , the madness goes .
Speaker 1But it takes you to , uh , d to c and um , you know , this stuff , this , this drink , was bottled in Pleasure Ridge Park , louisville , kentucky , yep , so , but yeah , I think it was $4 billion was the acquisition for it .
US Army's $100M Marketing Failure
Speaker 1So , yeah , it's got a heck of a story in regards to that . I want to get it to the US Army , not because of the 250th anniversary or the recent parade , it's what . So , essentially , the parade and all that stuff , that's , it's all marketing . The whole thing is marketing , even even though I know a lot of the Trump stuff was around it . But forty five million , that's the marketing for that . So let's talk about the marketing budget of last year , though , and how that worked out . Oh my word , everybody was so upset about the 45 million for the you know the parade . Let's talk about the 100 million last year spent for recruiting and how that didn't work out .
Speaker 1And , uh , this , this information and this story I have to give credit , it's brought to you by fat electrician because I watch his show a lot and love it , so this is where I'm getting some of the information . He kind of does a full breakdown on one of his videos on YouTube , so I recommend checking him out . But you know , the United States Army is always like any other Corps , and you know you've got your brother who's in the service . What branch is he in ?
Speaker 2He's in Air Force and my dad was in Navy .
Speaker 1Yeah , so what branch is he in ? He's in Air Force and my dad was in Navy . Yeah , so they don't like Army .
Speaker 2No , they don't . They love to jab at each other . You know , chair Force for my brother and then Squid for my dad .
Speaker 1Chair Force . Yeah , I've heard that a lot Of course . Yeah , I've heard that a lot . Yeah , you go into that Not to offend any .
Speaker 2You know people who are serving , but you know just some familiar jabbing . That it always happens , you know , at every Thanksgiving Christmas .
Speaker 1You never know . Hey , they're . All those jobs are important . We'll say that , like we will . Yes , well , you would know more than me . I don't have anybody , I don't have any family in there , but anyways , 100 million was used , so let's talk about the first $11 million . Did you read this ?
Speaker 2I did not .
Speaker 1Yeah , so the first $11 million was given to Dwayne Johnson of Rock and he had to do five Facebook , no , no , five Instagram posts , and that was it . He had to promote the Army five Instagram posts , whatever that was , reels , I don't know . It was kind of an influencer campaign . That was $5 million out of the $11 million . The remaining $6 million was given to oh gosh , what's it called . It's not UFC , ufl , it's sort of like an amalgamation between the XFL and some other league and he bought it and he owned UFL , and so there was that spent , and so he only did two Facebook posts . He only did two Instagram posts . He didn't do the full five , he just did the two , so he owes three .
Speaker 1As far as I know , this is to date , and the campaign short story is that it generated a negative 38 results . How do you do that ? Well , basically , when you sign up or get people to enlist , then they go through a qualification . Okay , these people actually can be qualified candidates . They're still not taking the . They still not taking the oath . They still aren't in , you know . So they're still not taking the oath . They still not taking the oath . They still aren't in , you know . So they're in their .
Speaker 2I guess you could call sales funnel , but they're not through it , right , right because when you do the oath that's literally , you know , that's like the closing of the sale , because then you know , say goodbye to your family , you hop on a plane and then you're off to boot . Camp is essentially how that all goes . Um , but yeah , like the stepping stones . For that is , you know , you of course engage interest in a recruiter and then you know , if you haven't already taken an ASVAB , which you know generates it's kind of , it's like an SAT , but military , think of like a military SAT , but it categorizes , you know , your skills and attributes that can be utilized in whichever branch you go in .
Speaker 2So my brother , you know he took the ASVAB and he , you know , is more he's upon taking that , as whenever that categorized him to , you know , oh , work in maintenance , You're going to work on the parachutes and all the flight equipment . Make sure it's all up to par . So that way you know , paratroopers , pilots , you know they're ready to go in case they have to deploy from their plane or anything like that . Paratroopers always need parachutes from jumping out of the plane . So make sure that those bad boys deploy is what my brother does . So , once you have the ASVAB , and then as far as like the middle funnel of it all ? I'm not sure .
Speaker 1But then you know you eventually get to the oath and that's when you know your whole journey begins . Yeah , yeah . So by the time they got to that process , uh , they actually had 38 people drop out . There was like it wasn't even , it wasn't zero , it was negative 38 . They lost people that enlisted from this . That's Now . We haven't even talked about the other 88 million . Right , that was a 100 million campaign . That was just 11 million . So let's talk about the 88 . Where did it go and what did it generate ? What do you think ? What do you think it generated ? 88 million . By the way , it was NASCAR . Dale Earnhardt's car was completely covered and they ran that for the thing . So it was all the NASCAR . Woo , guys . What do you think that campaign generated in enlistments and or leads and then qualified candidates .
Speaker 2Oh man , I couldn't tell you it was how much the other one bombed . I'm kind of afraid to give out a number .
Speaker 1Just take a guess it this is going to be fun I'll say like 500 . That's what a lot of people think it actually generated 24,800 leads .
Speaker 2Oh , okay , well , better than the other one but .
Speaker 1but there's a big but .
Speaker 2Oh God .
Speaker 1Only 20 of them were qualified . Oh boy , 20 . 20 . And so how many do you think out of that were qualified ? Oh boy , 20 . And so how many do you think out of that were recruited ?
Speaker 2I would want to say five to 10 .
Speaker 1That is so nice of you , but zero . No it's complete goose egg Dang .
Speaker 2How do you not get qualified ? Because I feel like , as long as you're , you know you're a high school graduate , you do the ASVAB and you know you're not , you know you're not a criminal , or you know have any not criminal , but like you know , any chronic yeah , yeah , chronic problems .
Speaker 1You don't have a rap sheet , you don't like all the good things , I don't know yeah , uh , I just as soon as I hear any sort of ad campaign that's sponsored by a celebrity or anything like that , I mean some work . But I just don't think we're in that age anymore where it's a good , good idea to have to grab a celebrity name and use that as a you know , your mascot , if you will . I mean cameo yeah Some cameos .
Speaker 2It's kind of like it's like what we suggest for our clients , like not everyone needs , you know , a TikTok page . It's relevant to your brand and I feel like some brands divert to cameos and I'm like , well , does it make sense , or are you just trying to be like , oh , look at me .
Speaker 1Yeah , so you know , if it's a brand , it's looking for an avatar . I mean , obviously the U S army doesn't need an avatar . I mean , they got a pretty solid brand and presence and their , their strategy now is very , very different , obviously . I think that it's a lot better , in my opinion . Uh , because they're , they're , they're using the actual , uh , the war fighters . They're actually showing , um , here's the hardware .
Speaker 1I call it hardware porn . Um , it was a thing in the eighties and nineties with , you know , knight Rider and Airwolf and all of that you know , you have , you have an attack helicopter , you have a car , there's all this . Those kinds of shows on television don't really exist . I just call it hardware porn because that's just the way television shows in the 80s were . If you haven't watched any of those , I recommend you go back and dive into that , especially Airwolf . Airwolf probably didn't age very well , but it was pretty neat .
Speaker 1I would like for them to try to maybe bring that back . That'd be interesting . But anyways , at the end of the day , yeah , they're showing the hardware and capabilities and stuff , and so it's sort of not as a blind , you know thing anymore when it comes to like , well , what am I stepping into more . So it's more transparent in that way . But yeah , Charmin has got some cartoon CGI bears wiping their butts and , uh , you got a bird over in you know Liberty mutual . So it's like you know there's a lot of things you can do . Maybe you don't need to do any of that .
Speaker 2I don't know . It's just like uh , it's finding something that makes a little bit sense , but also it's engaging and it's all about how your metrics are . If it's something that really takes off , then you find the success in it . Then keep doing that until you know people get tired of it yeah , yeah , I mean that's it .
Speaker 1I mean it's , it's never a thing , that's going to be a thing forever . I mean coca-cola . They bring out their bears , like you know , once a year um christmas time the puffins , I the puffins , I love the puffins .
Speaker 1Yeah . So it's just you got to know your brand and you got to know your audience , and so at NerdBrand , that's what we do you sit and consult with you , try to figure that out . It's a lot of working meetings that we are charging for , but you know that consulting phase is invaluable before you start writing a social post or start shooting a video or put a website up . I mean we do all of those
Brand Strategy and Closing Thoughts
Speaker 1things , but at the end of the day , it's like what do we want to put on that that actually resonates with the audience , that makes them want to convert or call you , to work with you ? Because you can have a logo and a sign and a company and a car or whatever . That doesn't mean you're going to get customers . That's just not how it works .
Speaker 1And so our job is to sort of find that thing that makes people want to like , remember you . And so if you're sitting around and you're trying to figure out what is that thing , well , it's like what we've been saying . It's like our job is to help you figure out that one thing that you're just not too sure about . So , just like , if you go to our website at nerdbrandagencycomcom , you'll find , uh , all that messaging there um , our job is to help you figure out stuff . I mean , you know , there's a certain something you're just trying to figure out and you're trying to trying to put a name on it . You're trying like that's , that's our job , so you can hire us for that . Um , get that off your plate , so that stress goes away , so you're not just like feeling like you're wandering around .
Speaker 1So there's our ad for the show . Um , anyways , uh , special announcements are we're going to try to keep doing these shows more video wise , like this , and we're going to start doing some more live streaming . Uh , so , uh , I haven't decided on facebook or youtube , and also it matters on quality of internet connection for right for that , because this is very dependent upon that . I may have to upgrade mine or we may have to find a solution for that , but it is nice to kind of get back on video and we have the equipment . We're just finding a space .
Speaker 2It's still a problem .
Speaker 1I am upgrading the studio here at my house for those watching . That's where I'm at . I have two chairs coming , two brand new chairs , comfy ones , and I'm going to buy a table and , uh , I'm going to start outfitting this place and so we'll be able to do these things in person and have a couple of cameras on us and kind of go down that route . But uh , anyways , if you like this episode , go to nerve and adccom slash podcast like subscribe , sign up for newsletters . We are doing that . If you want to know what topics are and talk to us , I mean , just hit us up on social media . Uh , you know , those of you that were wondering , like , where's Michaela ? There she is .
Speaker 2Hi , I'm here .
Speaker 1Mitch is out . He is with family right now , um , and we are , uh , you know , wrapping up a pretty solid week in a good way . I'm pretty excited . I don't know you got any announcements or anything you want to share with anybody .
Speaker 2Nope , just grinding away , just chilling .
Speaker 1Just chilling and grinding away . That's something Michaela likes to do . She likes to do the work . Your role was account manager in other places and now you're kind of you're an inside cat , I guess is the way to say it .
Speaker 2I don't know Meow , yes , but yeah , the project management suits me a lot better . I've always been an organized nut and just suits me .
Speaker 1Yeah , so you know , if you guys got a project out there , this is who you're going to interact with , um , as well as me , and mitch is , of course , but you know this is who's going to be got got their hands on your heart during the operation on the table , I guess , um , but uh , it's not not to intimidate you , michaela , just you know it is it ?
Speaker 2is mean , I was never really good at operations , so we'll see . Yeah , damn it .
Speaker 1Those that remember that . Anyways , we thank everybody for listening and tuning in and we will see you next week .
Speaker 2And remember keep your nerd brand strong .
