She is Redefined
Welcome to She Is Redefined, the podcast that feels like a chat with your best friend over coffee. I’m Katie Smith, and I’m here to help you break free from all those outdated societal expectations and embrace the amazing woman you’re meant to be!
Each week, we dive into real, relatable conversations about everything from self-discovery and confidence to living life on your own terms. I’ll share inspiring stories, sprinkle in some practical tips, and just have a blast exploring what it means to be unapologetically YOU.
So, if you’re ready to rewrite your story and make bold moves toward a life that feels authentically yours, you’re in the right place. Grab your favorite drink, get comfy, and let’s redefine the rules of success together—while having a blast along the way!
She is Redefined
Season 2 Ep 7: Can You Handle Discomfort to Make Your Dreams a Reality? Featuring Jim Greendyk
In this episode, I sit down with NRHA Professional and top Reining trainer Jim Greendyk to explore the power of embracing discomfort on the path to achieving your dreams. Jim shares his journey, the mindset shifts that fueled his success, and the lessons he’s learned from pushing through challenges in and out of the showpen. Whether you’re chasing big goals or looking for inspiration to stay the course, this conversation is a must-listen!
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Welcome to She Is Redefined, the podcast that feels like a chat with your best friend over coffee. I’m Katie Smith, and I’m here to help you break free from all those outdated societal expectations and embrace the amazing woman you’re meant to be!
Each week, we dive into real, relatable conversations about everything from self-discovery and confidence to living life on your own terms. I’ll share inspiring stories, sprinkle in some practical tips, and just have a blast exploring what it means to be unapologetically YOU.
So, if you’re ready to rewrite your story and make bold moves toward a life that feels authentically yours, you’re in the right place. Grab your favorite drink, get comfy, and let’s redefine the rules of success together—while having a blast along the way!
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Welcome to she is Redefined, the podcast where we break free from societal expectations, redefine our identities and step fully into the woman we were always meant to be. I'm Katie Smith, your host and guide on this journey of transformation. Here, we're all about embracing change, cultivating confidence and living life on our own terms. Each week, we'll dive into topics that inspire, challenge and empower you to redefine what it means to be you. Dive into topics that inspire, challenge and empower you to redefine what it means to be you. So, if you're ready to rewrite your story and live life, that's bold authentic and unapologetically yours.
Speaker 1:Let's dive in. All right, y'all. I have such a treat today. I can't even tell you I am so fired up for the guest that I have on the podcast today, jim Green Dyke.
Speaker 1:This man has been someone I have been following for at least two years. Jim is an NRHA professional and one of the top reining trainers in the industry. You know I'm a horse girly and you know I'm a reining horse girly, so I've been following his stuff for years. I'll get into that in the episode, but Jim is known for his incredible talent and ability to bring out the best in every horse. Jim has quickly risen to the top in his field in his industry and is now competing on international stages against the very trainers he once looked up to. His story is incredible. He's incredible. You're going to absolutely love this. He's built a massive following through social media. He's incredible. You're going to absolutely love this. He's built a massive following through social media. He's built online training programs that are accessible across the world to any writer. If whoever's trying to better their writing, this is for you. And he's based in Scottsdale. Him and his family foster amazing, welcome, family-friendly barn that's focused on quality over quantity, and that's the perfect way to explain Jim.
Speaker 1:Let's dive into his journey, his story, our amazing conversation. We could have talked for hours. It was just so much fun. Let's head into it. Okay, this is such a treat. I've got Jim Greendike with me today on the podcast and we're going to get into why this is such a treat for me. But, jim, I'm just so excited to have you here. I've been following your Instagram for like two years now and you being on my podcast, it's a very full circle moment. So welcome to the she is Redefined podcast. Thank you for being here. Why don't we start with you telling everyone a little bit about yourself and what you do?
Speaker 2:Well, thanks, katie, I appreciate it. You know, I think it's still crazy to me that you know you followed me and that this Instagram thing is a thing, and you know I mean I'm you know, I was originally born in Michigan, but I'm, you know, just recently moved to Scottsdale from Canada.
Speaker 2:I lived in Canada for almost 30 years and you know I didn't ride a horse till I was 17. So you know, here we are. I was, I'm an NRHA, I'm a National Reining Horse Association trainer, I do clinics, of course I own reiningmasterclasscom and then, of course, all the social media stuff that we do, and of course, people follow me from all over the world, which still is is a strange, you know, strange thing for me because I'm just a guy at home training horses.
Speaker 2:Talk about what I do and and share, and I believe a lot in you know, sharing what you learn. I always say I know what not to do because I've tried it yeah, I love.
Speaker 1:I love your commentary and your reels. So, like horse person, a horse person, my audience knows I'm a horse girl and you are a an amazing professional horse trainer to where I discovered you through your amazing content, which everyone. You're going to need to follow him. But then you have taught me so much. But the best part is you're so entertaining because you're a little commentary, like you just said. It's so fun.
Speaker 2:It's gotta be fun. I mean it's it's way too much hard work to be serious all the time and you know I yeah, you know I believe deeply in Sharon and you know joking about it. I mean you can't take yourself too serious. You got to be really serious about what you do, but you can't be so serious about who you are that you become unapproachable, like I mean, forget that.
Speaker 1:Totally, totally. That's a big part of my brand. I mean, I recently have pivoted in so many different ways and recently now have called this she is redefined. That's my new Instagram handle of being more lighthearted in yourself. Right, life is sort of a game here. Let's have fun, but having pride and integrity in what you do is super important. So let me just share a quick story about this whole situation right here. So I found you like I said like gosh, 18 months ago I would say at least it has to be longer than that and I save your stuff.
Speaker 1:I've referred people to your profile before because I'm in the horse world and then I reached out to you what like a month or two ago, and I was like, hey, I just got. It was a beautiful image you post on your stories and I like you know, shoot your shot. I just like message you like that is beautiful. And then I think I said like hey, like fangirl over here, and you wrote back and I was like I was like what he wrote back?
Speaker 1:And then the craziest part is that we know someone in common. And then you were like, hey, maybe we do a podcast together. And it was just like this is so cool how the universe works and and it was just like this is so cool how the universe works and I know we were chatting a little bit before we started recording here. You're like I would say the universe is co-created. Everything that you were I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like has helped you along the way in your career, from moving countries and all this stuff. Can you touch a little bit on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean absolutely and it is. It's a crazy full circle. It's so cool to me that you know, going back, I think, well, for years, for 20 years, my wife would say already. You know, I've trained horses almost 23 years now and for probably 20 of them I've always said you know, at some point I'm going to have a video course at some point I'm going to have a video course at some point I'm going to have a teaching course at some point, because it's a good business thing, you know like it, you can.
Speaker 2:you can be a horse trainer and you can ride 10, 12, 15, 18, 25, 30 horses a day whatever you're physically capable of doing and you can grow that, but at some point it's still a dollar for hour. It's still day to day. You still are a professional athlete with a shelf life. I mean you can't keep that up, you know, indefinitely. It's physically demanding as well as being mentally demanding.
Speaker 2:You know all day, every day, and so I'd always said this but then I'd always said you have to do it long enough to know what doesn't work. You know, like you can't be pretentious and be like, oh, I'm going to do this because it's a good business move.
Speaker 2:You know, if you say you have a program after 10, years, you don't, you're lying to yourself, you know, like if you say you know how it all you don't like, and so it took a full 20 years of training horses before I really believed. You know, I had lots of working students, lots of European working students would come and stay with us in Canada and come and ride and hang out and all that, and we love doing that.
Speaker 2:We always had somebody in the house, my wife and I and the kids, and it's fabulous, but all of them would say, jim, like you have to do a YouTube channel, man, the stuff you teach the way every day you need to, and I'm like nobody cares about me.
Speaker 1:Nobody cares. I'm just a horse trainer, totally. Why would I do this? I'm not famous. I'm not one of the name brands. Nobody knows who's going to listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is going to be so pretentious to be like oh look at me, I'm going to do this, you know. And then I thought you know what I'm kind of stupid not to If, if everyone keeps saying the same thing, at some point you've got to give this a role, otherwise it's actually a different kind of arrogance when you say, oh, you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about, you don't know. Now you're actually being proud of your humility and you're like I'm so humble, I would never do that. I'm way better than those guys, you know whatever right.
Speaker 2:It's a strange backwards, kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Thank you for saying that, yes, if I could clap really loud, I would Thank you for saying that, yes, if I could clap really loud, I would.
Speaker 2:So you know, at some point I realized you know what I think I'm hiding behind, like no, I would never know. And so I kid you not. It was March of 2020 that I decided okay, fine, I'm going to do one YouTube video a week for a year, whether people listen to it or not. It's not at all about being amazing. It's not at all about being great at this. I mean, I was terrible at it. I used my phone and I used like a wireless Amazon speaker beside that thing to catch the audio, and it was a five minute video and it's still on my YouTube channel. I haven't taken a single video down. It's still there if you want to go find it. And I just did it, and I kid you not, it was in Canada and it was two weeks later that COVID shut everything down and I thought well, here we go.
Speaker 1:I already did too, so I may as well keep going now that COVID shut everything down.
Speaker 2:And we just kept clicking away. And I haven't been perfect about it, I haven't been, you know, like I mean sure there's weeks, there's months where you go to horse shows.
Speaker 2:you can't keep it up, but I really did keep it up for an entire year and then it shifted and it got traction you know, and so we just kept going and we made it better and we tried to find new things to do and new content to do and it became kind of fun and then I hired a guy to start doing them at a higher quality.
Speaker 2:And then he came to me and said you know, Instagram reels are kind of a thing and I think we should follow this. If you're going to make the content anyway, this is probably what you should do, and that was June of 2021. I'm saying June of 21, maybe. And you know, I started paying him a significant amount of money to make good content, because that's the other thing. Nobody realizes how much it costs to do this and to make it really good.
Speaker 1:Correct. Yes, I get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you understand, but if you're going to do it, it better be the highest quality content, not just in the, the advice or the content that you but it's got to look good too. You know people get used to things being in 4k, 6k, whatever the K is now today.
Speaker 1:And you know it's, it's one of those things that.
Speaker 2:And so we just committed to it and I said, okay, fine, if that's what it's going to cost every month, I'll commit at least three months, we'll see what happens. And we went from 3,500 followers to 10 K, to 25 K, to like a hundred thousand in 18 months.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. I remember I was an early follower so I've I had to have been. I seen I probably saw you in 2021. I think it's actually been that long, um, and I uh saw it exponentially. Just like keep going and going, but you're amazing at what you do. Like, let's not knock that. Like I, I'm a horse girl. I've had a horse for now 12 years different horses. Like you, I would kill to like haul over there, but I don't try.
Speaker 1:That's a conversation for another day, but I will be one of your clients, oh I love it, but I would love to learn in person with you Just just some of those videos that you have on your reels of you teaching and recording that. But you had in the head like content is everything and you saw you're like innovating and antiquated industry, really like a an industry, the horse industry. I'm like do you take Zell like farrier, please, like you know what I mean. Like I'm like you're telling me I need to write you a check.
Speaker 2:Only cash and check.
Speaker 1:you know, Literally, I'm like you guys need to get with the times. And I actually had a conversation with my vet back in California about this where I'm like I just don't get it. Like I'm in the digital space, like let's evolve, you know. And he goes well, this is the thing Our product horses has never evolved, so we don't have to. And I remember looking at him scratching my head like what are you? What did you just say?
Speaker 1:Like so that means like movies like I mean, look at Blockbuster movies. You know, it's just like so many examples. If you don't like stay with the times, someone's going to capitalize on it, and I think you've done a brilliant job with that.
Speaker 2:That's that full circle thing. You know because I was here and I showed it in Scottsdale in 2009 for the first time at the Arabian show, and that was the first time that I saw Scottsdale in person you know. And then, as all that Instagram blew up and I was born in Michigan, I always had a U? S passport.
Speaker 1:I also knew as a business guy, see, and that's always been a thing. I love to train horses, but it's always been a business for me.
Speaker 2:For some guys, it's like this is their passion and they will live in a mobile home behind someone else's place Cause they want to train horses.
Speaker 1:Totally, actually one half, 100%. You're like a unicorn to be thinking business-like and the horses.
Speaker 2:I need a residual income and I need some land that I own, because if you own the land you're training off of, nobody can come and say you can't do that clinic this weekend because we have something else, or hey, it's going great, and so we're going to raise the rent on your commercial property because it looks like you're doing great. You know you have to own that because you have no retirement plan as a horse trainer, and I think these are really really deep things. So you know, so I don't go on forever. I saw Scott still in 2009. The first time we were back 2011, 13, 16, whatever several years. I would come down, always with rainers, but I started in the Arabian rainers that's a thing.
Speaker 1:I even know that was a thing. Yeah, yeah, it is yeah, exactly. I don't know how much of the thing. It's not a thing, much anymore but it is a legit deal.
Speaker 2:It's just like in the breed shows you know you have. You know everything, like in the quarter horse, the same. You've got all the different disciplines for each show. So the Arabian thing does the same thing.
Speaker 1:And that's how I saw.
Speaker 2:Scottsdale, and then through COVID, I really realized like man, I do want to own my own space and I've tried to buy a space and I couldn't get one bought in Canada, and so we ended up renting the place that we tried to buy because someone else bought it and then I could rent it, and that really drove me crazy.
Speaker 2:And I mean there were great people, but it would be crazy, and I mean they were great people, but but it wasn't yours, no, exactly, and so we were here in 23, a year and a half ago now, or more, a little more. And my wife and I were here because one of my students is now on his own and he has his own customers and he brought his own half Arabian Rainer to that Arab Raining show and we flew in to surprise him as like hey, dude, you're awesome, this is so cool, I can't believe you did it.
Speaker 2:You started taking lessons with me at 14. And now you're 25 and you're on your own with a wife and two kids. And here you are showing. And we stood here in the parking lot about that time and I said to my wife either we're going to move down here or I'm going to quit talking about it, because I hate people that talk about stuff but don't do things.
Speaker 1:We're kindred spirits, we are literally the same person. Me too Like I lost friendships over that. I'm like just quit the job already. Stop talking about it, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just like, if it's that big a deal. If you really believe what you're saying, then do something about what you're saying. Otherwise, you're just wasting my time, and I didn't want to be one of those.
Speaker 1:So I said, are we going to do it or not do it?
Speaker 2:And my wife said well, I guess, if you want to. So I went straight home in February and I told all my customers the next day yeah, I'm moving to Arizona, Just so you guys know. Like that was the first thing I told the whole barn, Cause I've always been transparent to you, probably to a fault you know, and I'm like you know.
Speaker 2:I love it. We're moving to Arizona oh when, I don't know, but we are. We came back in the end of March for cactus classic. I looked at this property I'm sitting in the office right now. It's the only property I looked at Whoa. It happened to be owned by friends of Steve and boo Ross, who are, you know, relatively. Steve Ross and his wife Boo are relatively well-known names in the reigning industry and Steve was the one here who had a friend of mine who had said you know, get your ass out of Canada and come down here and train, you'll be fine. And then, when Instagram took off, I started to believe, like, well, maybe Steve wasn't crazy, maybe maybe people do care what I say, maybe people do want to hear more of what I have to say or the way that I do things, maybe this isn't totally in the backwoods of Canada somewhere, you know, maybe maybe I do have a shot, and so that that growth had a lot to do with my belief in like okay, maybe there is something.
Speaker 1:And then when I looked at this property. They said oh, that's friends of ours. If you want to go look at that thing, we'll just take you over there. So we didn't even phone the realtor.
Speaker 2:We just drove over here and talked to the homeowners and I went back in April to Canada after that horse show and our house that we had in town rented out in Canada sold in two days and we came down Mother's Day weekend and my wife said oh it's much nicer in person than it was in the pictures you had when we were looking at it, because she wasn't here for that horse show. And by June, like from the end of February to the middle of June, we went from should we move to Arizona? To closing on this property, like okay, we own a place.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:And then, between July and August, we packed up an entire barn, loaded everything up, we loaded the house, we. You know all of this stuff and you know crazy full circle. I drove away to Vegas, to High Roller, in September with horses, the ones that were coming to Arizona we drove to the horse show my wife flew for the finals with the kids and after Vegas at the horse show, we got in the truck and instead of driving back north to Canada, we just drove here to Scottsdale well, the house came with its own semi-trailer the the house stuff.
Speaker 2:They came, you know the movers brought that here and all of my stuff from the barn. I had a shipping container and I just shipped it and it showed up here in the yard a few weeks later. And just last week Steve Steve Ross was a guest speaker on one of my trainer power clinics One of my events that I run now here at my place. Steve Ross was sitting here in my classroom with my students as a guest speaker.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's just like I have chills. It's amazing yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that, but I really think it's because I just I love how everything just like played out perfectly and it flowed. I mean sure, there's bumps, but you started in the first place, you had enough belief in the first place, you had this idea. It kept pestering, you know, festering, festering, and then all of a sudden, like you took the little steps, like so many people forget, like you have to take action. But I think people can confuse action with like let me grind and hustle this out, like you were following, like your passion, your intuitive hits, and then you took the action on that and look where it all led. That's so cool. So was it like kind of so for us?
Speaker 1:We moved from I know, you know that's just reminding you we moved from California to Texas, not even a year ago. It'll be a year actually. You know November is coming up. We're recording this on Halloween for people for context, and like I've been thinking about it lately and maybe you'll relate to this, where it's like we packed up our entire life, said goodbye to family and I was going to ask you if you had a family and stuff, but like goodbye to family to a brand new state, two time zone way and like sometimes I can't even believe we did that. Do you ever have those moments where you're kind of like, well, I actually did that, but it worked out so well.
Speaker 2:I think I still have that every time because my wife moved from Europe when she was four and grew up in the town that we last like. She lived there her whole life. She's got two older brothers and a younger sister. Her mom and dad live there. You know my in laws. My mom and dad actually just pulled out of my yard here two hours ago. They were here for the last two weeks. They dropped their camper off.
Speaker 2:So the camper that they have now lives here in my yard for the winter, because what a nice place to store the camper for the winter, you know. Yeah, and so yeah, I'm the oldest, and this will blow your mind too, probably. I'm the oldest in a relatively large family. I'm the only son and I have six younger sisters. And Emily who works for me is my youngest sister and we work full time together. Emily works for me and there's almost 19 years between the two of us, so it's like I'm almost 40 and she just turned 21.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, First of all, I'm freaking out because you're going to die when you hear this. My husband is one of six, the oldest boy, five girls and then brother 18 years difference between him and his brother, but it sounds very close to you and Emily Weird Y'all. If you're not catching the universal forces that brought Jim and I together, I don't know what will. It's crazy. Brought Jim and I together, I don't know what will. It's crazy, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:So leaving Canada was probably pretty tough, I would imagine, Even for us. At the end I was like kind of getting emotional. But I believe when you follow your passions, you follow your gut, your heart, if you will. I always call it like the hang time, like you're a monkey and you're like swinging branch to branch. It's a hang time right before you catch the next branch that nobody wants to feel. Nobody wants to feel that hang of, like the uncomfortability, the doubt, oh my gosh. But you have to push through that, catch that next branch and your life will be completely different. It'll be so much more magical than you can imagine, in my experience at least.
Speaker 2:And I love that. I've never heard that analogy, but I really love that analogy and I might use it again because I think it's you know that being okay. My wife always says, like are you ever going to settle down and be comfortable? And I said I don't have a comfort zone, like there just isn't one. You get really used to just not having one and it's totally fine.
Speaker 1:I don't care If.
Speaker 2:I get comfortable. I'm kind of nervous, but I would say that the reason, the reason that you can make it from branch to branch, has everything to do with reps. So you know, I mean, that monkey knows exactly how hard to swing at which moment to cover the distance between here and here. How do you know that? Well, you've done it enough and you've missed the branch a few times and had to grab one over here.
Speaker 1:You know it. Yes, that analogy you take it.
Speaker 2:That's how you get somewhere. You don't get somewhere by sitting around talking about jumping to that next branch. You're going to have to miss it once or twice. And then the crazy thing is you have that faith in in the reps that you've done and then you have that knowledge that you've done them enough. And it is just like you get used to hanging there because your faith really tells you hey there's enough momentum here that if you just follow through on this momentum, you're fine.
Speaker 1:And I think momentum is the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:to be honest, like you know, if I waited two more years you know you're an Instagram thing Maybe you get stale. Maybe someone in Pakistan takes your Instagram and you know you're an Instagram thing Maybe you get stale. Maybe someone in Pakistan takes your Instagram and hacks it and you have to start over. These are all logical things that you think about when you're a little bit beholden to a social media platform, and so it is about momentum, and getting to that next branch has everything to do with looking at it and going. You know I'm on just the right swing at this moment. Our oldest was 13. She's riding, showing, competing. You know the whole idea to show more, to be here, to be in the middle of it to. You know like it actually, over time, became more about my wife being happy in the sunshine and getting out of the Pacific Northwest gray damp rain and more about our 13 year old daughter having the best trainers, the best coaches in the world, the best opportunity to ride and show and compete.
Speaker 2:Then it became about me and my career, my business. It was more like I want to make sure the family's happy. We're on this upswing. Now's the time to do it, otherwise the oldest gets too old and stays behind or has a job or has other stuff you know. Then you don't do it because there's so many things and you have to allow your monkey to swing in that momentum and just imagine you're going to catch that wrench. But that comes with reps.
Speaker 2:You miss a bunch you know, try to buy a place in Canada and come through and you're super mad about this and you just can't think like, why didn't I get this property? And then covet and inflation, that property went from 1.8 million to 3.5 million. And I mean talk about making yourself happy. When you think business and real estates and you understand how that works, you're like man, if I just bought that place, I could have cashed out all yeah, oh yeah 100.
Speaker 2:But if I had bought that, place, I probably would not have thought about moving right, you probably wouldn't look back wouldn't, I would have probably sat down, and well you know what? Good enough, and I've got to pay a mortgage on $2 million. So you know we're not going anywhere any day soon. And those properties are hard to sell. They don't just sell next week. And so I look back and I'm really grateful that I didn't buy it. I'm actually really grateful I missed that branch and didn't make that swing in that moment.
Speaker 2:And I was afraid, I was afraid. I was afraid. I thought man like here's COVID happened. I was looking about that same time. Maybe everything shuts down. I didn't do enough reps, I hadn't been in that situation enough times to look back and go.
Speaker 2:You know what I don't care Like. Even if we can't pay for this thing in Scottsdale, guess what? We'll put it back up for sale in two years. It was too much, we couldn't afford it. It's great we're going to cash out on a very nice five-acre place in Scottsdale and we'll move somewhere else in the country. It's not that hard, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:But on that I love exactly what you're saying. When you might miss and I think for me it's like you said how you're, like I don't even know my comfort zone anymore I can very much relate to that. I feel like I'm perpetually in a state of courage, like I'm brave and I'm courageous and I'm just keep going. But also what you said, which was so brilliant, is like you're looking back and you're like good thing, I didn't buy that. And you're kind of looking back and seeing how and I talk a lot about this how every everything actually worked out in your favor. You know, like the unanswered prayer, if you will, was like actually blessing in disguise, because it all led you to where you are today, which is an incredible place to be. And so, having that mindset I try to coach so many of my clients of like everything is happening for you, like you just can't quite see it yet, but it is and you just got to let it sit and have a little bit of time and then you'll see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, and and that is, that's exactly like. Just, I'm incredibly I always say this to myself and to others as well, and I think this is a soundbite. You know, I'm incredibly stubborn about what I want but I'm really patient how I get it.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:I know what I'm after. That's great. I like I'm super stubborn about what I want but I'm really patient about how.
Speaker 1:I get it If I get it today or tomorrow or next week or the week after. I mean, it's a funny story. My dad said I couldn't have a horse for years as a teenager and so I'll tell you honestly, I gave up one day.
Speaker 2:I got up and I thought forget it, I'm not going to ask him anymore, it's fine, because you know what at some point I'm going to go off to university, I'm going to have a job, I'm going to look after myself and I'll buy a horse. Whenever I can do it myself, it'll be totally fine. I actually don't care if it's this week or next week or five years from now or 10 years from now. You know, if this is what I really want to do, I don't need my dad to do this, I'll just let it go. Two weeks later he said you know what, that horse thing, I'll make a deal with you. You know you this, this, that, and the next thing we can go look for a horse. I love it. Here we are, you know, like like 20 something years later. You know, I'll be 40 in February, you know. So, 20 something years later, here you are.
Speaker 2:And so that I knew what I wanted. And I just thought, well, hey, if I'm not going to get it this week or next week, it doesn't really bother me. I have plenty of things to do. So let's just let that thing go and we'll see what happens. And when it happens organically, it'll be the right time for it to happen. And that was at 16 or 17 years old and it was just a, you know a guiding principle I believe God works. You can't believe that God's in things and then think he is sometimes and he isn't. You know. Like, if you think everything works together, you know right, then you can't cherry pick which things work together right and which ones you wish didn't happen, like it all has to happen, your gears can't line up, and then you just say well, I don't like that one gear, so we'll take it out and leave it.
Speaker 2:You know, I don't really. They all have to match.
Speaker 1:They do. You're hitting on so much. Goodness, I swear if we ended it here like we would be done, this is a course that we, like we, could charge people for. It's just you're putting it so simply, like you're stubborn about what you want but you're patient about how you get it. Like that is so beautiful, I'm going to use that. And then, exactly when people want to say they want to pick and choose of like being supported by a greater force or not, and it's like it all is, it all all is. I love so much of what you said there, so I do want. So you kind of touched on it. So you didn't get your first horse until 17. So were you just a horse lover? It was in like your blood. How did it start?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know cause my dad grew up in North Jersey and he didn't own a dog as a kid, so you know.
Speaker 1:I mean like yeah, you know whatever.
Speaker 2:I was always interested in in the ranching and the farming and I, you know, I was homeschooled, so I would work till lunchtime and then I'd go volunteer to vet clinic or I'd work down the road at a dairy farm.
Speaker 1:Like as a kid I was always doing something extra.
Speaker 2:The whole thing about being homeschooled. I learned really quickly. You could just work and get done and at noon you could go do what you really wanted to do for a living you know, and so like already as a already as a kid, I spent the afternoons chasing all kinds of things. I've always said there's nothing I couldn't learn to do.
Speaker 1:I love that Like really truly there's nothing you can't learn to do.
Speaker 2:I mean there's a lot of things I don't have any intention to learn how to do. I don't want to learn, I'm not interested in learning. But if I ever set out to say, like man, I really want to learn how to do this, I have never yet found something that I really wanted to learn but I couldn't, yeah, I can relate to that and so, yeah, I mean I didn't get a horse when I was 17.
Speaker 2:And then, because I was homeschooled, I got a job cleaning stalls Somebody said hey, you know, I know you just got a horse and my friend just lost her stall cleaner and you seem like a good kid and you know, because you're homes homeschooling, you might work out for you.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Give her a call and I started for Sandy Hester in Fort McLeod, alberta, cleaning stalls at 6 am and I would clean from 6 till 9 every morning and then I would go home and do school and then that was the spring of well, I guess it's probably 02, but 02 now, yeah, probably it's 2002. And that was that spring. And then, as that semester wrapped up, the end of school year, you know, she came to me and said what are you doing the rest of the summer? Like, do you have plans? What else are you going to do for?
Speaker 1:the summer. I said, well, nothing really.
Speaker 2:Oh, good Cause I got some colts to start and I'm going to saddle a horse up and we're going to have what we call pony that thing and you're going to be the one that gets on him the first time and I said oh great. So I went to the stall to the bolt starter in like 90 days, 120 days.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And you know the rest is history. Sandy and I still talk every day, 20 something years later. We talk all the time. They've, you know, been down here now in Scottsdale and stayed in the yard, actually, she and Gord her husband. We were talking the other day about how we can find them some property here in Rio Verde, and you know can use it to rent out to my, you know customers when they come into town, or the power clinic. You know, like so many, all the, all these business ideas. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. So that's really. Yeah, I mean, there was no background in horses, I just was always interested in knowing stuff.
Speaker 1:And I was really. I loved animals. I always loved animals.
Speaker 2:I thought maybe I'd go into veterinary medicine or this, that or the next thing. I was always very interested in animals and horses, I think, are kind of the pinnacle of that. I mean, I've raised sheep and goats and calves and dogs and rabbits and everything you can think of, but I think horses were always to me that was the biggest thing, that was the pinnacle thing of animals to do, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I can totally relate to that. Yeah, For me, I was put on a horse when I was 18 months old. The story that my husband like he's like I wish I was there and I could have stopped it, it's really funny. He's like this thing's expensive. I was put on a horse and I was obsessed. But get this, my dad's allergic to horses, like that's a thing. And so I asked for a pony every Christmas, like religiously, knowing it was going to be a no, but I'm like I'm still going to shoot my shot, like let's do this.
Speaker 1:And then I in college. I got a soccer scholarship to go collegiate to play in college and on my downtime I was like I'm going to get involved and see if anybody needs help exercising horses. I took lessons for like three months in fifth grade but I hadn't ridden since like fifth grade, other than like the random you know pony rides here and there and I remember being like I don't know what the heck I'm doing. It was an off track. I read Hank Sweetheart.
Speaker 1:He could have killed me but like I was an athlete on a scholarship, I would go ride this horse after practice and look things up on YouTube to try to learn and it was just such an amazing kind of experience and journey for me. But I always said the second I can own a horse, I will, which is kind of similar to you. I kind of was like I will when it happens. And then I got into horseback riding after I graduated, had a job and then the opportunity just kind of arose and then I got one, not fully actually knowing the time commitment and the financial commitment. So I kind of was in over my head a little bit and I was newly married my husband's, like what's happening, but it's in my blood, though Like I joke, I'm like I wish I could be one of those people who just like waved to the horses in the pasture, but like no, I got to have one.
Speaker 2:In 2011,. I burned out and I walked away from it for six months, didn't ride my, my business shut down, I collapsed. You know. I just I had no desire for it. I was so, so tired. You know I was super frustrated. I got into, you know, some network marketing and stuff like that. Everybody does that at some point. I went to you know top five in a company doing that because I liked people and you know it didn't matter.
Speaker 1:But I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2:I would go after something like that and the challenge was super, super interesting to me. And then, you know, typically they would find I was, you know, relatively good in front of people and I had a great story and I was six foot three and you know I could show up at the conventions and tell a story. And I found, as soon as I got on stage and got to the point of like oh you've got to go up front and tell the story.
Speaker 2:You know at the convention, you know as soon as I got there. I lost all interest in never doing it again, so then I'd move on to something else.
Speaker 1:It was super weird, like it was never the money, I was never motivated by the money.
Speaker 2:It was always the challenge of conquering something. It was always like I wonder if I can do this. Oh, look at that I can, oh, okay, well, let's go find something else to do. And I think that's what's kept me in horses. You never in horses. You never get to a point where you're like oh, look at that, I can do this. Oh, tomorrow you probably can't, and the next day probably not either. It's a new day. It's a new day. They're animals.
Speaker 1:And horses. I think I love them so much because they're so majestic and like the intuition and I'm like it's just amazing. My horse now Skids. Who's like my heart horse.
Speaker 1:My brother got in a really bad car accident back in 2019. He was in a coma for 13 days. It was really a really hard time and I would still go to see skids because it was like my outlet you know, therapist or whatever and he didn't want anything to do with me, which was so unlike him and I knew in that moment, even as like broken as I was. And thankfully, my brother they're saying he's like a walking miracle because he had a full recovery and it's amazing. But like how intuitive my horse, who I had owned for two years at that point wanted nothing to do with me because I was just a wreck inside.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and I love that about horses and like and then I think the best horseman is like you respect the horse for reacting to how you're being. You're not blaming the horse for something. I hate that where it's like let's have accountability here. You know what I mean. But, yeah, horses, I mean that's an, that's a journey, it's an adventure and it's a journey. It's like what am I going to get today? What are we going to get that what? I've been playing around riding bridalists and I'm like, okay, you're ignoring my leg here. Okay, that's a. You know, we were great yesterday. So, yeah, it's just, it's a fun and a relationship with a horse I could just. It like brings me to tears. I brings me to tears. I think it's there's nothing better, there's nothing better, and I'm a mom and I love my kids, but it's, it's pretty magical that an animal that size who will walk through fire for you you know what I mean. It's like it's pretty cool. So how did you?
Speaker 2:find reigning. Well, you know, it seems to be the pinnacle.
Speaker 1:Again, you see a thing like if there's a top to be, you know, pointed out in any sort of anything. I plan to go to the top you know, I mean, that's just one of those things for me.
Speaker 2:For me I saw it Reining seemed to be the pinnacle of horsemanship. You know, I really I started with nothing, I didn't know anything, I didn't know one end of the horse from the other, hardly you know. And so for me, the first time I saw it done, well, I thought, shoot, man, now that looks like something I could do every day, because I you know, I get the sense that it's very meticulous you know, and you know as much as I laugh and joke and tell stories and have fun.
Speaker 2:You know one of my other things. I always remind myself like the most spontaneous things I've ever done have been meticulously calculated.
Speaker 1:For sure you know like everybody's like.
Speaker 2:What in the world? Like you just?
Speaker 1:decided to move to Arizona. Like what, where did?
Speaker 2:that come from? Oh man, I've been thinking about this for three years.
Speaker 2:I just didn't really tell anything and nothing is ever really spontaneous. And I think that's the same in business. You know you come up with an idea. But then you know I would say in business, you know you come up with an idea, but then I mean I would say I'm as much as people look from the outside and go man, that guy's not scared to do anything. You know like he'll load his family up and just move to scottsdale of all the places to move and be competitive in the horse industry, like scottsdale has the best horse trainers in the world 10 mile radius here. Like what in the world do you think I'm going to compete? You know who in the world does he think he is? And when I started my YouTube channel and started doing the social media stuff, you want to know how much backlash I got from horse trainers Like oh, who do?
Speaker 1:you think you are Boy, you're going to be marketing now, you know, I mean I got.
Speaker 2:I got harassed like unbelievable about it, wow. But you know, the crazy thing is, is that as crazy as as risky as it looks? If you're meticulous about it again, if you really pay attention to that momentum and what things, you know that feel? Same with training horses. You pay attention to that feel. Exactly it looks risky, but it's so meticulously calculated that to me it really you know, it was like all my years as a teenager snowboarding.
Speaker 2:I'd go 40 or 50 times in a season and I got relatively good at it. But you know I was the leader. I never felt peer pressure to ever do anything. I never felt peer pressure to do or not do. But when we went with you know my group of buddies.
Speaker 2:It was always like oh, you know, Jim's got to try that. Jim should try that, which actually meant Jim's the only one that can do it in a bad situation and probably live through it. Jim's the only one that can do it in a bad situation and probably live through it. So, you know, if he's willing to go and do it, he's going to tell us really, truly like yeah, don't come behind me, or hey, you know what?
Speaker 1:guys, I'm not doing that Cause it's three o't go over the edge, I promise you none of my buddies went over the edge.
Speaker 2:There wasn't a soul of them that were going to do it if I said no, sure, and there were several times doing that where I would go and be like nah dude, it's not good, and I'll meet you guys around the bottom Like it's not what it looks like and I was okay. I always calculated this. I really had this real, real strong calculation about all these risks and I would go around and I made them at the bottom and two or three times in my, let's say, snowboarding career, if that's what you want to say two or three times.
Speaker 1:I'd have a buddy.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it's fine, I'll come too. And every single time somebody broke something.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Like I kid you not like broke his femur had to be. The rest of his life is his leg, is you know? Half an inch shorter and he walks with an extra platform because I I hit the jump, the lift wasn't right, the landing wasn't right, there were rocks. I said, dude, like don't, don't do it. You're like it's not worth it, Like I just about died.
Speaker 1:I said dude, like don't, don't do it.
Speaker 2:You're like it's not worth it, Like I just about died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll be right there. I'm sure it's not that bad. No, trust me, it's that bad. Oh shoot, yeah, you know what? I'll go find a ski patrol, cause I think you're going to be sitting here a while. And so, in that same way with horses. You know, I'm not the, and you've seen that on my Instagram. I'm very aware of my mortality. That's something that I think always. I'm never closing my eyes and trying to prove a point riding or training, I'm never getting on that to prove how cowboy I am.
Speaker 2:There's no, there's nothing to be won in this, yeah exactly Gained in this like be aware, be respectful of that animal, be respectful of how powerful they are, Be respectful of your own limitations and be totally okay with it. You know, today's not the day I'm not getting on that thing. What do you think I?
Speaker 1:feel like that's missing largely in the equine world, where the horse world, where it's just like the egos and I I fell victim to it myself. I have eight screws and a plate in my right wrist from a thoroughbred that I thought I could cowboy up on, who hadn't been out in three days and didn't lunch, and I got this what? And it's ridiculous. And so I think that's amazing that you are so vocal about that, because it's true, and it comes back to checking ourselves our ego right, where it's like what am I going to gain out of this? Okay, a day that I got it that everyone's going to forget in a week. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's just so silly, so shifting into your business and personal development which I love, my podcast listeners love too and growth, so someone who's reinvented themselves so many times I mean you were in network marketing, as was I, which is really cool, that's actually how I got my start in entrepreneurship and moving yourself so many different times like what would you say are like the personal development practices or like mindset shifts that have been crucial for you to do this. I know you kind of said like calculated risks, but like something that someone can like take away right now listening to this.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I, I would always say you're not that important.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:It's maybe a little inflammatory. So everybody's important, I would say. The one thing that I remind myself all the time is that I'm not that important and that takes away that for me anyway, it takes away that really heavy. I need to be someone. What I'm doing now really matters. You know what if people how's this, what if it doesn't? All of those questions go away when you go, you know you're not that important. You're just a guy training horses, riding around. You got a beautiful wife and four kids.
Speaker 1:They care about you, but nobody else does.
Speaker 2:For me. I have tons of anxieties. I mean, I by no means, by no means am I immune to fear, and you know that's-.
Speaker 1:Or human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I'd be the first one to say that, but I think you know when you realize you're not that important. Like you know, if I quit training horses, somebody else will train horses. If I quit doing Instagram tomorrow, everybody move on and follow somebody else.
Speaker 2:You know, it's really not, it's not that big a deal. You've got a life to live and you have a family and you have an impact to make on the people that come in, in and out of your barn, and I think those things are really important. As far as keeping myself on track One, I try to try to get in a really good rhythm. I get up the same every day. I go through the same morning routine every day. I make my coffee the same. I read the same I.
Speaker 2:you know like I'm very much you know when they talk about athletes and like how it messes up you know even the betting lines you know and you would know this because you play tight even the betting lines in Vegas changed for an afternoon game over an evening game, based on the fact that the quarterback normally goes through this pregame routine and now he's going to be three hours earlier in his day, and how's that going to affect how he plays?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And if you're going to be an entrepreneur whether that's a horse trainer or whether that's anything else you have to see yourself as a mental and physical athlete. When you do this and those routines really matter, like if you have to get up every morning and think, oh, how am I going to do today I mean you're taking up mental space on how to do today and what to wear and how to. You know, I wear button down shirts and I wear jeans and boots and a hat every day and I look like I didn't. I didn't put on a button down shirt for the podcast. I wore this all morning riding. This hat, this shirt, that's what I wear.
Speaker 2:It's a uniform. If you get up every morning and you put on a button down shirt and you put on a belt buckle and jeans and you wear the same thing. Whether you wear that to church on Sunday morning and it's pressed, perfect. Or you wear it every day to the barn to ride, it's one less thing you have to think about. And if you have to think about too many things that are repetitive, that starts to be a problem.
Speaker 1:I love that you're saying this. Carry on.
Speaker 2:I didn't mind to stop you. The other thing is and it probably comes out of that is that discipline is always more important than any sort of talent and any sort of brilliance, than any sort of like just do it. You know that when you teach lessons, when you teach writing lessons, you know you always have and I hate to pick on anybody in particular, but you always have one very nice lady who lopes one circle and then says I don't know, I feel like it's terrible.
Speaker 2:Well, it is it actually is. I was sitting here in the chair going to give you a lesson, and I was thinking the same thing, but sitting here, and talking about it doesn't get you better.
Speaker 2:You see, your body does not want to bounce that bad. Your body does not want to be in that bad of position. Your business doesn't want to be in that bad of position. Your mind doesn't want to be in that bad of a position. But if you sit down and you just dwell on how bad it is, you don't get better. See, your body doesn't want to be bouncing around. When you start riding and you start bouncing up and down, your body doesn't want to bounce. So if you keep bouncing, your brain is preoccupied with like, how do we make this stop? Yeah, and over six minutes, six days, six hours, six months, six years, whatever it is. However far you want to go, your body inadvertently will help you learn how to ride. If you just run, there's no shortcut for time.
Speaker 2:And so I try to remember that with business, and I'm super, super driven and I'm super frustrated sometimes because I've been only one year here in Scottsdale and I don't have 25 of the best level four horses and what's wrong with me, and you know I have as many frustrations as anybody else and most of them are ungrounded because you know, really I came here a year ago and started my business over and we're sitting here talking and you and I both know Lauren, and you know all of these things have grown and become a huge thing.
Speaker 2:And I'm still sitting here frustrated because, you know, I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm totally human. Yeah, you know other things. Most of it is really just mental Like. You have to stay disciplined, you have to build a routine for yourself. You have to know if this is what I'm going to achieve. I have to be able to get up day in and day out as a marathon and just do it. It's like how I started my YouTube channel. I'm going to do this once a week for a year. Whether people watch it or not, I don't care. That's what I decided to do.
Speaker 1:I love you're hitting on so many things Like I the mental. I think people get mixed up because they think they see an overnight success, quote unquote. People get mixed up because they think they see an overnight success, quote unquote. Overnight success Someone came out of nowhere and looked this Instagram following. They made $6 million in six days.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm obviously there, but like it's ridiculous and people don't realize what happens behind the scenes. I am just like you. I'm almost like a robot where, but I I'm addicted to my morning routine. I wake up at the same time every day and I do my things. But I'm addicted to my morning routine. I wake up at the same time every day and I do my things. And like when, some days that I'm like I'm tired and I want to sleep in and I sleep in because, hello, I'm human I notice a vast difference in my day. I feel like out of control, I feel like everything and it's not good, and so that's why I focus on that, because that is completely how I've had the success, especially in the last three months, eight to 12 weeks, my business and income and everything is practically 10x, and it's not an accident because of all the mental discipline reps, if you will, I have been taking behind the scenes that no one sees. There's very few who are committed to this stuff to do it for themselves and then like putting on a uniform.
Speaker 1:I love that you said all of that, but I was actually talking to one of my one-on-one clients today about looking at like life goals, like let's stop worrying about month to month stuff. Let's start looking at, like, what do you want to achieve in your career? Like, can we look at the macro view? And you were kind of touching on that a little bit too. At like, what do you want to achieve in your career? Like, can we look at the macro view? And you were kind of touching on that a little bit too, of like this is what I want to do, this is what I want to achieve, this is what I want to get to. But like, we get caught up in the weeds and nothing happens there. Like it to me.
Speaker 1:I think the universe matches you at the weed level and you're like oh cool, I made $2,000. And it's like when you want to make $200,000. And it's like, let's broaden, let's look bigger, let's move at a more macro, larger number, bigger vision and watch who you become, stepping into that rather than worried about the monthly stuff. It's like, yeah, and I got caught up in that too. I recently redefined my whole podcast where I got caught up in the money stuff and I would blast about my money wins and all this junk, where, where, if I'm being honest with you, it was me shouting my inner child like validate me, love me, look at you, know I can. I can honestly admit that instead of just like, what do I want to do here, I want impact. I want to be the best at what I do, and I think that you're seeing a lot of that same thing, and it takes a lot of behind the scenes work to get there. It does not happen out of the blue at all. Remake yourself and like, get there. You know.
Speaker 2:Everybody in your sphere of influence. You know each one of you everybody listening has a sphere of influence.
Speaker 2:You have people you look down at. You have people you look up to. You know like that's your sphere of influence. And I'm not saying like value wise up and down, I'm saying like you look at people that are behind you in your industry and go, man, I'd love to help you. Or you look up to people and think, man, I could never get there, man, I don't know what they're doing. But I would say that everybody is struggling the same. Everybody struggles with the same thing. Everyone looks at their life the same as you look at your life right now.
Speaker 2:You know there's no shortcut for this, and again you yourself, your ego, whatever, you're not that important. Right your difference, that you can make the difference you can make in someone else's life is very important.
Speaker 2:The difference you can make with your family, your kids, your wife, your husband. That's very important. The impact you make in your community, whatever that is, you know, it's kind of the same thing. There are so many things you can do that are important, but you, just as a person standing there doing nothing, yes, you have an intrinsic value as a human. Obviously, you hear what I'm saying, but I think you can. You can understand. What I'm trying to get at is that I think we get so focused on me and us and I you know, looking at ourselves like how do people think me?
Speaker 2:How do you know what? How am I? You know, all of those questions rise up when you know what. You're not that important and actually the world's gone on for eons before you and it's going on eons after you. And if you believe everything works out the way that it should, you're here because that lady who's coming for a lesson this morning needs to meet you, right?
Speaker 1:And that's why you get up in the morning.
Speaker 2:Right, you know you're running Lauren Beechler at a horse show when you're talking about moving to Arizona and you think, boy, I've got to trade from my video guy in Canada to someone who does something similar here because this social media thing has to keep going. And then you see, oh, that's what Lauren does. So you meet Lauren and she's the best incredibly excited to meet you. And then you get to know each other and you actually become really good friends. And then last weekend you go to her wedding in Colorado, to your family friends. But like, was this planned? Am I so brilliant that I got to this? No, it was just like that day that we sat at my table at Westworld. We were just talking about could she shoot video for me? And it had to be done and this is part of it. But every single person that comes into your life that is there for a purpose and that's important.
Speaker 1:That is so, so accurate and I really I think for me starting to see more of the growth myself in my business was because I started focusing on like how can I be a better person? Like, how can I like make, like, leave the room better than when I walked into it? Literally, I will tell myself that, like, how can I walk into a room and make it better than when I started? And things change when you start to focus within on how can I feel better, how can I show up better? That's where I think the universe matches you too, where it's like it's not about you, but don't you want to feel better? Like that's just what I was like.
Speaker 1:Don't I want to feel better? Don't I want to? You know, like be a pleasant delight for someone during their day and not just, like you know, rush right by them I hope they didn't see me, and I don't have to say hi riding my horse, being out there, engaging with clients, showing up on social media, like the things that even you don't like to do. How can you find fun in it or mix it entirely? 86 that you know.
Speaker 2:For me that's, that's that whole, even for the social media like I'm not that important. Yeah, you know like I'm posting because it's a great business thing and because it's a really good way to impact people. Again, I'm posting, and I'm doing it because I think it makes a difference in people's lives, you know. But if I think, oh, do I look good in this one, do I look good in that one, do I sound good in this one? Is, how are people? It's not about me.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, so good. Okay, let's wrap this up. I could talk to you for like eight hours, by the way, so, but I want to respect your time. I think you're amazing.
Speaker 2:One day we'll have to do a YouTube. You know like we'll have to put the whole thing on YouTube and do a three hour long form.
Speaker 1:That would be really cool. That would be really cool. Oh my gosh, I could even try to, like I was going to say, somehow bring the horses into it. But that would be just super cool. You just say the word. I could try to video me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a person could certainly set up here and have horses in the background. You know it'd be, we could put together.
Speaker 1:I've been having fun being creative myself, of like, how can I just make content more creative and fun? And I literally am thinking about doing more things with my horse because it's different and I like it, and why not? But more things with my horse because it's different and I like it, and why not? But you know, maybe I'll just convince Lauren to come out here and shoot some stuff to have her see skids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'm not really that good and it's not about me, but I mean she's brilliant, she makes everything she makes me sound smart, she makes me look smart, you are smart, you're smart. Oh my gosh, you're very talented.
Speaker 1:Okay, so to wrap this up, I like to I think it would be fun to end with like advice for the listeners, so for those listening who are considering like a big life change or to pivot, or to go all in in themselves, what would you give them on Like, what advice would you give them on taking the first step, those first steps?
Speaker 2:You know that's a. That's a that's a tough one. You know that's a, that's a that's a tough one. You know it's funny. I had this.
Speaker 2:I had this situation um in a hot seat interview at a horse expo one time and I said you know, sometimes you're gonna sit there for 30 seconds and just be quiet, which is like the most uncomfortable thing in the world, you know, uh, before you say something, you know that you wouldn't say it's really hard to say it without you know regular cliches, but it's really like you're going to eat every day.
Speaker 2:So go for it. You know, like, your fears about what if it doesn't work out and what if it doesn't happen, and what if people don't like me and what if this never. I spent thirty thousand dollars to make reigningmasterclasscom before I ever sold one dollar worth of of my online program and in other like I told my team towards the end, I like we have to launch this this week, Otherwise I won't pay my mortgage, you know, and being that uncomfortable but doing it anyway, you know being like really truly, you have to go and do it. You can sit all day and you can be meticulously calculated, but then there's someday you have to be spontaneous. There's someday you have to stand in Scottsdale and say are we doing this or not doing this? Because I'm getting tired of calculating.
Speaker 2:I'm getting really tired of just talking about should we, shouldn't we? Back and forth. It has to be done. It's a natural part of making a decision to do something big. You can't be stupid, but at some point it's every single cliche in the book. You got to jump off the bridge. At some point you got to swing to the next branch. At some point you got to let go and let it happen. And I think that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned over my life is just, and I still learn. Trust me, I don't know it. I mean, I have really good horses in the barn and then the horse isn't really a good fit for my program, or you know that I don't get along with it or I don't get the results.
Speaker 2:I want the horse and the people and the customers move on and go somewhere else. And you're super devastated because what's wrong with me? Why can't I keep you? And the truth is no mad, whatever. Just it's keep going. Keep going as long as you're honest and true, as long as you're humble and kind. Just keep moving, because everything comes and goes. Nothing lasts forever. You may as well pack everything up and move to that place you want to move to, because if you decide after you're there for a while you don't like it, guess what? You already moved. You know how to do this.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Oh my gosh. You know I actually got like chills as we're saying all this and I know you said like it's a cliche, but I think the reason why I got a chills is because, like that's literally. It it's just like just do it and like let it flow, and if it doesn't work out, like you just said, if you move and you end up hating it, you can move again or move back, and it's literally that simple. Like the cliches are accurate and so, gosh, this I loved chatting with. I think there are going to be so many great like aha moments for the listeners, and I have several horse lovers and owners who follow me in the podcast. So where can they find you? Where should we direct them so that they can get into your world? Obviously, I'll link your social media, but I know you've got some classes and things of that nature, so can you touch a little bit on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, and again, you know, just before I get there, thanks for having me. It's been super fun. I love this part of you know. To me, this is the giving back to me. This is the fun of of sharing with people. Like you know if, if I've done something, trust me, I know what doesn't work because I've tried. You know, I've failed so many times and you know if it makes a bit of a difference in somebody's life or if it motivates somebody to give something, a world that they maybe weren't going to otherwise, that's the best thing in the world. You know. I mean, that's that's the part that I love about it and that's really my whole program. That's everything. So you can find me at jimgreendykehorsescom. That's my website. Most of everything that I have as far as online class is the video course at reigningmasterclasscom. You can also go there, but it is linked through the website. And then you know at Jim Green Dyke Horses on TikTok and Instagram and Reds. And you know YouTube. You'll find me Jim Green Dyke Performance Horses. Find my YouTube channel there Horses I've Got for Sale. And you can find me in Scottsdale.
Speaker 2:You know we do power clinics here and people can come. That's a week long. It's a. You come in on Monday afternoon and we ride. So we do theory in the morning Tuesday through Friday. Okay, we do theory in the morning. Then we ride twice a day. My wife caters lunch and dinner. Thursday nights we do inch and a half stick ribeye steaks on an open fire outside in the backyard here, um, sometimes I've got a trio that comes and does live music. Um, you get, yeah, hours and hours of riding. You can bring your camper and park here in the yard and you can plug in. I've got full service hookups, um, you know all kinds of fun stuff.
Speaker 1:So it's like a it's like a perfect you know, horse vacation you want to bring your trainer and park your trailer here, we'll get an airbnb down the road.
Speaker 2:We'll put your horse in a stall. Go get an airbnb down the road, come and hang out for a week and then we video everything so that at the end you actually get a google drive with the video of you riding that's amazing.
Speaker 1:I'm mic'd up double.
Speaker 2:I mic'd up for my system in my arena and I mic'd up for the camera so that you can watch the video back of you in the clinic with the audio, whatever it was that I was teaching you at the time. Should you not be able to do it, you know, in the heat of the moment.
Speaker 2:That's amazing, and so actually we just did that hours, uh, the trainers power clinic um two weeks ago, and I've just uploading all of that video footage from four days of writing to each google drive folder for each of those participants and then they get all of that info. And then lauren comes on the thursday afternoon. Lauren comes and she does a bunch of really cool reels and then we go right in the desert and everybody that's not from arizona gets a picture with a saguaro that's 45 feet tall so cool, you know, just fun, yeah, you go home with some really cool stuff, and, and so that's.
Speaker 2:you want to find me in person. I'm, I'm in, you know, Rio Verde, Scottsdale, right downtown, you know, a mile and a half, two miles from all the other famous guys in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1:So cool and doing that, that's all. I will be doing that Like oh, I'd love to have you.
Speaker 2:It'd be awesome. We'd love to have you here and I'd love to have you here. We have a really good time.
Speaker 1:Sounds awesome, and to reconnect with Lauren there and to have her see skids again, that would be super cool. But um, oh man. Well, Jim, thank you so much, Like if I can give you a hug, I would Thank you. This is awesome.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know what One day we'll do this, we'll be, we'll be here in person or there in person.
Speaker 1:We'll do something. I will you know. I'll give you that. Yeah, you know that's. I feel the same. I feel the same. How crazy is it?
Speaker 2:Random Instagram message, and here we are talking about the best thing about that it is.
Speaker 1:It is like and like, so much in common good vibes all around.
Speaker 1:Absolutely love it all right, thank you you bet my pleasure thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of she is redefined. If today's chat resonated with you, don't forget to hit subscribe so you never miss out. Remember this is just the beginning of your journey and you've got everything you need to create the life that you want. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd love for you to leave a review or share it with another woman who's ready to redefine herself too. Until next time, keep embracing who you are, because you're powerful, you're capable and you are redefined.
