Expat Life in Nepal, Two Americans on Podcasting and Kathmandu: S9E3

If you've ever wondered what it's like to live, work, and podcast in Kathmandu, Nepal, this episode are for you!

Big & White, their podcasting nicknames, are two American Linguists who, until very recently were living in Nepal and creating a rather hilarious audio account of their daily lives. Their episodes covered much of what expat podcasts cover like food, weather, language, and cultural differences but there is an extra kick to their podcast. Their connection and how they bounce off each other is so much fun to listen to. This is the main reason I became a fan of The Big & White Podcast in the first place and definitely why I asked to interview them for the show.

Don't worry, we also talk about podcasting bits like technology, social media, podcast learning curve, editing, audience feedback, Nepali podcasts, guests, and advice for new Podcasters also. But this conversation is a bit more free-flowing than some of the other Geopats Podcasting episodes because we dipped into some of their content topics too like their visual stickoutness in Nepal (thus the name of the podcast), weight lifting and so much more.

And since they are Linguists that were doing field work all over Nepal, there is an episode coming on Geopats Language podcast with that geeking out aspect as well.

Original publication date: January 19, 2021

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Transcript

SPEAKER_10 0:00

So Blue, what uh can you share any of your favorite podcasts that you've listened to? Blue. Did you mean to call me big?

SPEAKER_08 0:06

Did I just call you blue?

SPEAKER_09 0:09

Blue and white.

unknown 0:12

Ah.

SPEAKER_09 0:14

Now you understand my struggle.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

I know. Arla, in Nepali, there's a word for colorful, and it rhymes. It's rungi chungy. So rung means colorful. Yeah. So.

SPEAKER_10 0:28

Oh. My brain could not be trusted.

SPEAKER_07 0:33

It takes a little while. You can try and just forget it. But you could trench a volume.

SPEAKER_10 0:41

Hey there, this is Steph from Stefffuccio.com with another episode of Geopets Podcasting. We are traveling to Nepal today to chat with two American expats who were podcasting about their experiences living in Kathmandu. I'll tell you more about them in just a minute, but I want to mention a few things that I think will help you out if you're a podcaster. The first thing is that I host all of the Geopets podcasts on Captivate FM. Look, they're really good, okay? I'm biased, but they're really good. They have a lot of marketing know-how. They have a lot of live events just for their customers, and their service is incredibly easy and useful, even from a cell phone. It's super easy to use. So I'm gonna put my affiliate link for them in the show notes for you. If you want a new host or you are just starting your podcast, I strongly recommend them. The second thing is connected to Captivate as well. They have a podcast launch accelerator on January 21st, 2021. At 4 p.m. UK, 11 a.m. Eastern in the US. So this podcast launch accelerator comes with a lot of information and it leads into a free course on how to start your podcast where they walk you through what's on the podcast launch accelerator crib sheet. This crib sheet, if I had this four years ago, oh my gosh, I would not be cringing at whatever my first like year of podcast episodes. If you're on Twitter, you've seen me talk about it there. I am going to put the link for you so that you can go over there and take a look at it and sign up for this workshop on January 21st. Alright, let's go back to Nepal. I am, to geographically confuse you, in Tirana, Albania right now. However, this conversation was recorded in March of 2020. I cringe when I say that. March of 2020, a week before lockdown happened, when I was in Berlin, Germany. The last place that I lived. No, I am not consciously traveling. I tried to relocate to Germany and visas ran out, and COVID happened, then visas ran out, and so here I am in a different country. The point is, I had this lovely conversation with Big and White of the Big and White podcast, their chosen names, not names that I have given them. And um and all hell broke loose in my life, in the world, in podcasting, in my computer, and so on and so forth. And although I have published other things, it has taken me quite a while to publish this and the sister episode that'll go over on Geopath's language podcast because it was a long conversation, it was three tracks, and I could give you a million more reasons. But what I'm going to do instead of excuses is tell you that I'm really happy that these episodes are out now. There. I'm gonna lean on the happy side. In this podcast episode here, this this one, not the language one, but this one, we talk about the origin story of the Big and White podcast. We also talk about their tech setup, how they divide up their tasks, we geek out about editing. This is before I got super into editing, before I switched over to Adobe Edition and all that kind of stuff. So it's interesting to hear my reactions to their editing uh information then. We talk about social media, what they did when they lived in different countries for a while, what it was like to uh podcast from Nepal, what kind of local restrictions or local uh media that they were consuming when they were there, local podcasts in um in Nepal, had they got their guests, any advice they would give people, you know, the usual for Geopaths podcasting. I can't tell you in an outline, but what I can tell you in another way is that these two women are hilarious and they're down to earth and so, so much fun to listen to. It was so hard to interview them because I just wanted to sit back and listen to them, but I also wanted to ask the questions. So this is my my attempt to be part of the conversation, but also to be a listener of the conversation. And so I hope you enjoy this conversation. I even just a fraction of what I did and having the conversation. The length of time for this episode to come out is not a reflection of the joy that I have had in talking and connecting with these two amazing women or the time that I have spent editing and crafting this down into this and the Geopaths language episode. So okay, disclaimers aside, let's just get into it. Let's do this, let's do this. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about where you are geographically?

SPEAKER_09 5:28

Yeah, so right now we are recording from the sunny state of Nepal.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

It's not sunny today. It's raining, but we are in Kathmandu, which is the capital of the country, and we're in my bedroom in case you really wanted to zoom in. Can you tell them a little bit about the podcast name and what you do? Yeah, so our podcast is called Big and White: Life as a Foreigner in Asia, because we are from the US, both of us, and we feel big and white every time we're around any Asian people. So yeah, and we do kind of the anonymous thing, which sometimes feels a bit silly.

SPEAKER_09 6:06

So my name is Big. And I am White. And it took me personally about two years, a year and a half at least, to actually remember Big's name. I kept calling her White. So we finally arrived at the point where I remember. So things are going really well with the pseudonym life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

And yeah, the podcast is just about our experience living in Asia. We talk about what it's like to live in Nepal. We talk about cool, interesting things to do here and the culture and stuff. We also talk about what it's like to be an expat, things like culture shock and tips for traveling. And we talk a little bit about linguistics as well, because that is both of our profession.

SPEAKER_09 6:48

So it all started from a sense of our own grandiose and a little bit of isolation. And lack of sleep.

unknown 6:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 6:58

So we had kind of been joking just about like how silly it is our life, like just all of the crazy juxtapositions, and you know, how hard it is, but also how amazing it is, how much we love Nepal. And um, we went on field work together, and it was just us, and then another gal who speaks the local language that we were researching. So it was just a lot of us just kind of being isolated. And when we got tired, then we wanted to speak English together, and so we together realized that we're hilarious and we were like, I don't care if anybody else thinks that we're funny, like we were just cracking each other up constantly. Yeah. And we also kind of have the same sense of humor in that, you know, if things are hard, that's kind of our go-to of like making a joke out of it to kind of alleviate the tension.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 7:46

And so we just kind of, I think it was 10, a 10-day trip, and we joked about, yeah, just our life. And I think I said at one point, I was like, if I was gonna be Instagram famous, I would have an account called Big and White because that's who we are. Yeah. And then suddenly by the end of the trip, we like had started making plans. Somehow it just happened that we were making plans to make this podcast. And we were like, wait, are we gonna actually do this?

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Are we making a podcast? Yeah. And in our like, what, two plus years of friendship, yeah, we've discovered that our personality types really play off of each other and escalate well. So if one of us is like, man, I'd really love to go to Cambodia and go to the beach, like suddenly we find ourselves both there. We're like, oh, well, that went well.

SPEAKER_08 8:31

We just got plane tickets. How did that happen? I don't remember it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

So I think the same thing happened with the podcast. Like, wouldn't it be hilarious if we now we're on episode 50? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:41

Yeah, it's still going smooth too. So it's really worked out well. Yeah. Let's talk about the name for a second. So, why did you choose to go anonymous on this? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Well, I think part of it is we weren't sure exactly what direction the podcast would take. And we really wanted to be able to speak our minds freely and not be afraid that we were gonna say something that, I don't know, might embarrass people or get us in trouble, that kind of thing. But I think now that we've had the podcast for a while, we would feel more comfortable sharing who we are, but we also have set a precedent that we aren't we don't want to break. So if you know us, then it's like so easy to figure out that we're the people who host this podcast.

SPEAKER_09 9:27

But we're not exactly hiding. I post a lot to our Instagram stories and we post pictures of ourselves and basically just it's a game at this point of just slightly blurring out our eyes or our mouths or something. So but you know, the benefit of still being anonymous is that we don't get like weird stalkers.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

So that's nice.

SPEAKER_09 9:48

We're we really think highly of ourselves. We just assume that we would have like a multitude of stalkers in Can't Manu. How big a city is it?

SPEAKER_10 9:56

About two million. Yeah, that's pretty small for Asia. Right. Yeah. It is very possible amongst all of the expats and foreigners there. That they could find us. It would be easy to stalk. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And we're big and white.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

So yeah, yeah, we're easy to spot walking down the road.

SPEAKER_10 10:15

Okay, I just have to say for the record, neither of y'all are big.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

I mean, uh, we are average in America and other Western countries. I love going to the Netherlands because I am short there and it's so pleasing.

SPEAKER_09 10:30

The kind of holidays that you don't think about taking before you become an expat, right? You're like, what country can I go to that I will feel small?

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 10:38

Yeah. The Netherlands. Done. I'm there.

SPEAKER_10 10:41

It's funny because two years ago I came to Germany on vacation, way before we moved here, and I went to a thrift store to look for pants. Because pants, oh my god, oh yeah. 12 or 14 in the US, and pants are impossible. It's just like I have to get either stretchy or import them in from somewhere else in Asia. And so I went to the thrift store and I got to my size, which is not 12 or 14 in Germany. It's like that European, much higher number that makes me feel like 500 pounds.

SPEAKER_11 11:07

But I got to that, and there were like six sizes after it. And I was like, oh, if that doesn't fit, I can go to any of these. Oh my god, like it was like freedom.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

I kept getting confused in the US. I know. I was with my friend in the US shopping, and in Nepal, I'm usually like a larger extra large. And I went to grab a shirt and she's like, girl, you're a small. And I was like, No, I'm not. And then I tried on the small and was like, oh no, it fits.

unknown 11:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 11:33

Yeah. In my closet, I have a range from extra small to XXL, which is a shirt that I bought in Cambodia when we were on vacation. So it's really good for um your ego, you know, like your ego will not get stroked by living in Asia. Yeah. But it's good for you.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

Yeah. What is your basic tech setup? So because we're linguists, we have access to great free equipment, which is really nice. But the recorder we use is an H4N Pro, and it has more of the just audio focus than some of the other Zoom recorders do.

SPEAKER_09 12:10

And then our mics are some kind of handheld road mic.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah, I don't know the exact model. They work great. Okay, so it is a road. Yeah, it's a road stick mic. Yeah. And we don't have stands, so we hold them up to our mouths, and sometimes when our arms get tired, then I have to go back in the editing and make our voices louder.

SPEAKER_09 12:29

I think I've actually gotten stronger like in the year and a half that we've been doing this because I used to have to hold like a pillow to like hold it up. I still got it, but anyway, yeah. So all of our equipment is the equipment that we bring with us when we're on field work. So we travel within Nepal. So we get to bring this equipment, and then when we're in Kathmandu, it has much more prestigious job of being a podcast.

SPEAKER_10 12:57

When you're in the field, you're using those mics.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_10 13:00

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

We bring one, so we do different types of tools when we're out in the field. We do stuff like we record people telling stories in their own local language and we record them saying words in their own local language. And for that we use the the stick mics. But then we also record things like informed consent and that kind of thing. And for that we just use the basic mic that comes with the recorder.

SPEAKER_10 13:24

Since there's two of you, do you guys divide up who does what, or do you rotate between who does like the editing and all that kind of stuff?

SPEAKER_02 13:31

We we've mostly have it divided. I big do most of the editing because A, I enjoy it, and B, it takes White like twice as long to do it.

SPEAKER_09 13:40

It does.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

So then White is more of our like correspondence and social media person. So anytime someone messages us, she's right on it, always responding and engaging, and she does all of our social media posts and stuff.

SPEAKER_10 13:56

Okay. When you say you enjoy it big, why? What is it about it? I don't know. I I just like doing computer stuff.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

I have all my like little shortcuts set up and I kind of enjoy that. And what else do I like about it? That's a good question. I never thought that much about it. I I like doing creative things that aren't too extra creative, and I feel like this is a good in-between. So it's like I have parameters within which I'm trying to work and I have clear goals of what makes a good product, and I like doing that. And I like doing little extra things every once in a while. We'll add in some weird music or we'll do a fake ad, and those are always fun too for me.

SPEAKER_10 14:31

Well, for either of you, when you do your editing, do you see waveforms at night after you're done and put it away?

SPEAKER_02 14:37

I mean, we're linguists, so we always see waveforms. So we literally see waveforms like day and night we're working on waveforms. So I do feel like sometimes I it takes like too much of my week. I wish it would not take as much time, but besides the amount of time it takes, I really enjoy editing. And it's fun to have that skill of I'm sure you've learned this too, what you look at a waveform and you can tell what word the person is saying.

SPEAKER_10 15:06

Yeah, it's really disturbing. I can now tell breath from click like weird clicks, like maybe pen clicks or like mechanical sound from from voice. It's like, oh, I know what that is, I know what that's coming. I know I'm gonna get rid of that.

SPEAKER_11 15:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

I also enjoy uh like just learning about the software and different interesting things you can do with it. And I thought I would stop learning after a while, but I mean it's been almost two years and I'm still learning new things.

SPEAKER_10 15:31

So what uh what software do you guys use to edit?

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Audacity. Yeah. Any plugin? I use Noisegate every time. That's the main one. It's called Noisegate. It helps delete quiet breaths basically, and any noise that's under a certain level. Yeah, highly recommended. I'm writing that down. Yes, it's good. It you have to be careful with it because if you do the settings wrong, it'll only delete like every other millisecond of the breath, and it'll be like so you still have to manually delete some of the breathing and kind of weird background noise, but it it saves a lot of time.

SPEAKER_10 16:10

Okay, so Big, you do the edit most or a lot of the time in white. With the social media, where do you put stuff about the podcast?

SPEAKER_09 16:18

So we have Instagram and Facebook. I am a millennial, so I tend to gravitate towards Instagram because I like it a lot more than Facebook. And yeah, we try to do about once a week, probably, or at least every episode, I'll post to our actual Instagram page, an actual post. And then I just kind of have running stories going all the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

I'll post stories to you. So those are usually more like here's our life in Kathmandu, here's the amazing food we ate today, here's the muddy road from the rain, that kind of thing. And then the posts are usually about like the episode that we post the topic.

SPEAKER_09 17:01

And then Facebook is kind of like a little bit of a runoff for that. That was mostly, I'm not gonna lie, created for people that we actually know in Kathmandu, because most of them would not be on Instagram, they're not gonna be following us. So it was helpful at least for them to have some way to interact with us and keep up with us. But most of the new people that we actually talk to is on Instagram, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Yeah, but in Nepal, Instagram is getting more popular now. But Facebook is definitely the main social media. People use it as their LinkedIn, as their Facebook, as their dating app, as everything. So having a Facebook is kind of important here.

SPEAKER_10 17:39

Yes, yes, that's true. As their dating app. Wow. Okay, yes. Okay, so I just moved from China where I was used to having a firewall. Are there any internet restrictions or anything that you guys encounter while trying to publicize the podcast? Nope.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Absolutely not. Yeah, we are free and clear.

SPEAKER_10 17:57

And you guys do it whether you're in the same place or whether you're separated.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Like last year there was a lot of a lot of separation. Oh my gosh, so much separation. Yeah. So we when we were doing the podcast before, we were doing it every week. And then I left and I was traveling in Europe and the US and Canada. And so we went down to every other week because it just, you know, logistically was difficult. But yeah, we kept it up pretty well. I was proud of us. And now we're both back in Nepal and we're so pleased about it.

SPEAKER_10 18:26

Where is your audience? Are they mostly in Nepal in the US, or is it split or spread around the globe?

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Spread around the globe, baby. I was just looking at our chartable, and we have three listeners in Russia, so that's cool. We definitely have kind of like our friends and our family that listen, you know. And then we also have quite a few listeners that are just also expats. Some are our colleagues because they can relate to the linguistics aspect. But yeah, people are just interested in what it's like to live overseas. And then we have people that are traveling to Nepal or have lived in Nepal and miss it. And our favorite demographic, honestly, is Nepalis who have left and now live in like the US or the UK or whatever. And listening to the podcasts for them is like a fun way to connect with that dual culture of like the West and Nepal. But then also it's fun for them to hear us talk about their home and they miss it.

SPEAKER_09 19:22

So the most active people, I think, in terms of like reaching out on social media, would probably be people who are visiting Nepal. And so they'll reach out and ask for advice about where to go or where are these specific places. And so that's really fun. And we even get to meet up with people once in a while too.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 19:41

Yeah, that's always awesome.

SPEAKER_10 19:43

Have you gotten any interesting or funny feedback from listeners?

SPEAKER_02 19:47

When I was at home this year, my mom was listening to my podcast while I was in the room, and it was very weird to just hear her laugh. She's like, You're so funny. I'm like, thanks. This is awkward. I mean, I most of our feedback is pretty general and pretty positive. We did have one bad review on iTunes that I'm like still traumatized by. That was from our like second episode. Think about it all.

SPEAKER_10 20:11

Can I ask what they said, or is it yeah?

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Yeah, it was a Nepali person. They basically said, like, oh, these people aren't respecting us. They're just like, oh, it's so funny that these Nepalys do this weird stuff, and it's so condescending to hear them talk about how funny it is.

SPEAKER_11 20:25

Like, we love Nepal.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

We don't mean that at all. It's just our way of coping by laughing at things. Sorry. Yeah. I don't think you guys are disrespectful at all. Thank you. We really try not to be because we love Nepal. And we, you know, we don't think we're better than Nepalis or that our culture is better than Nepali culture. We just love seeing the differences and how that can create kind of funny situations sometimes. Or yeah.

SPEAKER_10 20:51

Yeah. There definitely is the strain of expat, not you guys, but a strain of expat who just is constantly like, this is not what I do. This is ridiculous. But you guys don't do that. You definitely do a this is different for me, let me explain why kind of thing, which it makes sense. I mean, it's a different thing.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

We appreciate it. I mean, that's the only negative feedback we've ever gotten. So maybe that person was just feeling sensitive, but I'm still traumatized by it.

SPEAKER_09 21:16

But it was I think it was good to get that feedback too, because I mean that's part of the reason why we had pseudonyms to begin with, because it's like it was not necessarily that we were I mean, we knew that we weren't gonna say anything that was intentionally offensive, but starting a podcast that's about living in a foreign culture automatically means that you're interacting with people who are yeah, interacting with the world in a different way and have different thought processes and have different sense of humor and idea of what's acceptable and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

So right. And getting that feedback has helped us be try to be even more sensitive or try to maybe explain more so that things don't seem like they're out of context. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_10 22:04

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SPEAKER_09 24:16

That's a good question. I mean, I think we don't really try to get into political situation too much, partially because it's over our heads.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Yeah, I don't understand it well enough to have an informed opinion.

SPEAKER_09 24:28

So it's constantly changing. Yeah. And second of all, I I don't think that it's our envelope to push. Like we are here because the government has allowed us to be here. We are guests in this country. We we have no right to have an opinion.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

Yeah, I totally agree.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

I think there are things that maybe we haven't discussed, but are just, you know, maybe differences in culture that would be really easy for a Westerner to be judgmental of. And again, we feel like that's not our place. And we recognize that, you know, it's a different context and a different culture, and we're not going to put our judgment on that. So we try to keep it pretty light and fun and talk more about the things that you might experience as someone visiting, as opposed to saying, Here's these deep sociological issues in this country.

SPEAKER_10 25:21

Very true, very true. A while ago, I interviewed Greg from the Bangkok podcast, and he he mentioned something somebody told him early on when he was going to write a reaction to something that was happening in Thailand where he was living. And he's like, Hey, do you think I should post this? I don't know. It might be on the edge of what's acceptable. And his friend read it and he said to him, and I love this, he said to him, Just because you have an opinion as an expat doesn't mean you should tell people what it is. And I went, Oh, that's really good advice. Yeah. I mean, I I feel the same way you guys do.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

And I feel that too with being an American, you know, obviously our politics is a bit unusual right now. And I can understand that other people are interested in that, but I get my hackles up a little bit when people have opinions about our politicians, you know. Like that's, you know, I I get that you're interested, but maybe that expat advice is good, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 26:13

We make the joke of if you have a little brother, you can make fun of your little brother as much as you want. But if anybody else is talking smack about your little brother, you reserve the right to be exactly.

SPEAKER_10 26:27

Yes. And I'm I'm glad you said little brother and not your mama, because I think I'm way older than you guys. There was a series of your mama jokes when I was growing up, and I'm like, okay, enough. Enough your mama jokes. Is it one or both of you that does weightlifting? Both of us, actually. That's a weird question. Here we go. Here's the weird question. We love weird questions. Is it normal in Nepal, or do you get like inquiries that you do that?

SPEAKER_09 26:55

Or that's a great question. It's pretty normal. I mean, it's not, especially in Kathmandu. We will say that there's a pretty wide divide between urban and rural Nepal. Not unlike there's a divide between urban and rural anywhere, right? Um, but within Nepal, there or within Katmandu, there's a ton of gyms. Um bodybuilding is a really big thing. Powerlifting is becoming a bigger thing. And gyms do not tend to be segregated between men and women either. Like it's not weird for us to work out beside Nepali men. I think I would tend to be a little bit more conservative in what I wear than maybe like what is in what's cool to wear in America in gyms now.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 27:46

And again, like some of our Nepali um friends, our girlfriends, would wear like a sports bra when they're working out, but that's not our envelope to push.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Yeah, again. We're much bigger and we're much whiter. You know, I remember once I was talking to my landlady about how white my skin is, and she was like, No, no, I love how white your skin is. Like it's really beautiful. And I was like, I think there's a point though where it gets too white. And she was like, I don't think that's possible. You can't be too white. And then she was helping me put on a sari, which is the traditional like Indian and Nepali dress, and it shows your midriff, your stomach. And I took my shirt off and she saw how white my stomach was, and she was kind of like, Oh, there is such a thing as too white. So, yeah, you know, when you're at the gym, you don't want to like blind people with your your white stomach. So I was just gonna say, as far as like the clothes you're com feel comfortable wearing at the gym, to me, I feel like the gym is a little bubble of like I can wear leggings, I can wear a crop top. But if I wore that same outfit just like two blocks from the gym, I would feel super naked and embarrassed. So it's not like the West where wearing workout clothes is like also acceptable, normal everyday clothes.

SPEAKER_09 29:00

Cast leisure is not a thing here.

SPEAKER_10 29:03

No, no, I was so confused because I was gone from the US for like a decade. I went back and I was in grad school teaching freshman.

SPEAKER_11 29:10

And you were like, where is everyone's pants? No, I seriously thought they were so sporty. I was in Arizona and I thought, man, being like being sporty is like the new thing.

SPEAKER_10 29:20

Like, people are so and then I was like talking to my students and I got to know them, and I'm like, you don't actually work out in these clothes. This is just clothes now. And I'm talking full-on sports bra with very big tank top and like leggings galore, and I'm just like, wow, okay. Shift things have shifted. Okay, going back to the tech side of things, where do you guys publish? Is your host like a US podcasting host from a different country?

SPEAKER_02 29:48

And we use liberated syndication. I don't know where they're based out of.

SPEAKER_10 29:52

But Lip Lipson? Yep. Are there Nepali podcasting hosts? Is podcasting big there?

SPEAKER_09 30:00

I doubt it. I don't think it is because we're really high up on the like niche market of Nepal travel.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

And like millions of people visit Nepal every year, so it seems like a biggish market. Um but I think people use YouTube a lot more. So there are like Nepali people that do series on YouTube, um, but they wouldn't post it also to a podcast host.

SPEAKER_10 30:26

Do you listen to or have you heard of any Nepali podcast?

SPEAKER_09 30:31

When we first got started, someone reached out to us saying that they were going to start a podcast. Oh yeah. But I don't know what ever happened to them. Yeah, that's right. There is one by one of the like big power.

SPEAKER_06 30:43

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SPEAKER_01 30:52

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SPEAKER_02 31:43

Powerlifter is here. He has a podcast. But it's on YouTube. Yeah, it's not on a podcasting institute site.

SPEAKER_09 31:52

It's very hard to find, actually. Like you have to go to his YouTube page. He's a powerlifting coach. His name is Tyson Tyson Mokdun. Um T-Y-S-O-N-M-O-K-T-A-N. And then you have to find, like, scroll down and find his podcast, which is called Big Boys with a Z.

SPEAKER_10 32:14

Wait, so it's just video form, but he's calling it a podcast. Yep. Yep, pretty much.

SPEAKER_09 32:20

Unless they host it somewhere else that we don't know. But I there's not like links to, you know, like SoundCloud or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

You know, I haven't actually looked. I mean, when we first started podcasting, I did a ton of searches for podcasts in and about Nepal, but I haven't looked recently. There is one by two Nepali gals who live in New York. And it is called the Kas Kura podcast. K-H-A-S-K-U-R-A. And that one's fun. It's definitely very Nepali feeling to me. Like when I listen to it, it just the I don't know, the structure of what they talk about and the subject matter and stuff. It feels very Nepali. Um and even if that's in English.

unknown 33:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Well, you know how in different cultures and different languages you have a different discourse style. So for example, in Western cultures, we tend to maybe start with our thesis statement and then talk about all the reasons that we believe that and then conclude by repeating the thesis or something, right? Whereas in a lot of Asian cultures, there tends to be more of a circular argumentative style. So the more times you come back to something, the more important it is, and that's how you show the focus of it. So things like that. So I don't know. I find when I'm listening to that podcast, sometimes I get a little bit lost as far as like what their main point is, or I feel like they're wandering off and not really like being focused, but that's not it at all. That's just because of what my expectation is for how you would structure the topic. And yeah, so I think in that way it's interesting too, just to learn culturally how people approach different ideas.

SPEAKER_09 34:00

I think one of them even just became a US citizen too. So it's it's crazy because they're helping a lot of their episodes are about how you as an Apollo can go to another country like Australia or the US, the UK. They're like helping people find positions and stuff. So they're like the opposite of what we're doing.

SPEAKER_10 34:21

Yeah, they are like our our opposite twins.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Are you tempted at all to to reach out to them and to interview and to uh we have we sent them a message, but we never asked them about collaborating on anything. Maybe we should. I don't know. They're pretty cool. Yeah, I think they're cooler than us.

unknown 34:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 34:40

Not possible. They have like actual producers for their show and not just like us being like, well, I'm tired this week. You edit. Fine.

SPEAKER_10 34:54

Oh gosh. I haven't gone through your entire back catalog. I'm super lazy. Once I find a podcast, I just start listening from that point forward. I'm amazed at how much you have listened to. Uh enough to envision what your grocery stores look like and what you do at the gym. And I got partially through the hot toddy one, but I was editing a lot yesterday, so I couldn't get the whole way through. Because I was like, I can't listen and listen at the same time. It's a very frustrating thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

If anybody knows a solution to this, yeah, like edit and listen, I would I would be on board with that too. Yes.

SPEAKER_10 35:27

It's amazing because I'm losing a lot of my podcast listener time when I edit. Because I just I would just have stuff on, even if I'm applying for jobs and all the kind of bullshit I have to do right now. I would still be listening to podcasts because most of those tasks are brainless. And I'm like, but I need content. Do you guys listen to a lot of podcasts?

SPEAKER_03 35:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 35:48

I listen to a lot. You don't, as my I don't so much because I have not such a great attention span. I love it. But I love the idea. The longer the better.

unknown 35:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 35:58

Well, okay, White, let me ask you this. What media do you consume? Are you like a YouTube person or just like a music person?

SPEAKER_09 36:05

I do listen to a lot of Spotify. I think last year, an entire month, like in terms of hours, an entire month of my year was just spent listening to music on Spotify. And I yeah, I listen. I mean, I watch YouTube. I do a lot of stuff with health and fitness, so I spend a lot of time with that. So if I do listen to podcasts, it's usually about health and fitness and gym life. Or Nepali famous. Yes. Oh, that's true. I do spend a lot of time, especially on Instagram. One of my main hobbies living in Nepal is finding local businesses and then Nepali influencers or yeah, just any big Nepali names following them so I know kind of like I can be in the heartbeat of what's happening in Nepal.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

It's very convenient for me because she does all the work and then just tells me the best ones.

SPEAKER_10 36:53

Yeah. Exactly. Or are there any influencers that you would suggest other people follow?

SPEAKER_02 36:59

I really like I don't know how to pronounce her name. Shrinkala. Yeah. Shrinkala um Kotiwanda. Yep. She was Miss Nepal in 2017, 18, and she went to Miss World and she got like fourth or something, I think. Yeah, I really like her because she is, I mean, clearly gorgeous, because you have to be. But she is a super intelligent person. She studied architecture and she has a really big passion for helping people in Nepal who don't have a voice. So, like, for example, she recently went to an event that was helping women in the village feel more empowered about not having to hide while they're on their menstrual cycle. You know, there's some really bad practices around that still in some of the rural areas. So yeah, just like supporting local women and stuff like that. She's really cool. Do you want to spell her name?

SPEAKER_09 37:48

Yeah, let's see. And we'll spend the next hour of the podcast just spelling her name because it's really long. Yeah, so her name is Shrinkala Katiwada, and that is S-H-R-I-N-K-H-A-L-A, and her last name is K-H-A-T-I-W-A-D-A. It autofilled.

SPEAKER_10 38:11

That's how popular she is.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Yeah, she's probably one of the biggest accounts in Nepal.

SPEAKER_10 38:15

Oh my gosh. Sorry, she's got 758,000 followers.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 38:21

And I would say a lot of those are Nepalis too. Like Nepalis are so active on social media. It's amazing. Another one that I really like, she's not probably doesn't have such a big following, but her name is Peppy Owl. She P-E-P-P-Y-O-W-L.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

That's her Instagram handle.

SPEAKER_09 38:40

Yeah. Her I can't think of what her l last name is, but her first name is Adrea. And she is a she's young, but she basically has a career in sustainable and ethical fashion. One of my favorites is Food Nepal.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

He's a big food and travel blogger. And he does a range of things from really cool to really hilarious. Oh gosh, there's so many when I type that in. It's Nepal.food.

SPEAKER_10 39:08

That's his Instagram handle.

SPEAKER_09 39:10

That's it. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 39:10

I follow way too many coffee and food accounts.

SPEAKER_09 39:14

What's one more? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 39:16

Somebody just sent me one, a restaurant one for Berlin last week, and she's like, I can't believe you haven't seen this already. I'm like, I've been avoiding it. The big foods are dangerous enough. I don't need to know where the best pizza or Thai food is. I find this by myself.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

I know. I always like following Nepal food. I feel like I always just I end up marking so many things. Oh, I have to try that. Oh, I have to try that. Oh, I have to try that. Oh, I have to try that.

SPEAKER_10 39:40

Hey, big. What are some podcasts that you like to listen to?

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Well, I listen to, I feel like I have a few categories of podcasts. I have some news podcasts that I enjoy. One of them is called The Skim. They also have an email. People may have heard of them, but they do a 15-minute podcast every day. It's based out of the US and it's just news and sometimes international news, but I feel like they do a great job of summarizing. I also really enjoy like science and kind of philosophy interview type podcasts. So one that I really like is called Mindscape, and it's a physicist, and he interviews different people on like a wide variety of topics about kind of what's going on in our world and stuff like that. So I have several in that category that I enjoy, kind of the interview shows. And then I have a couple that are just kind of like fun, frivolous ones. I love Potterless. If you guys haven't heard of it, look it up. Yeah, it's a guy who didn't read the Harry Potter books as a kid, and then he reads them as an adult and is analyzing them like from an adult perspective. And he's hilarious that he's so funny. And it's almost like rereading the books because he goes through them in such detail with his guests. Yeah, I really enjoy that one. And another one I love is Punch Up the Jam. And they look at famous songs and they kind of like break them down and analyze them. And usually they end up talking about why they're crazy and you never noticed how bad they were. And then at the end of the episode, they do what's called a punch up, which is basically they kind of quote unquote fix the song, make it better, and it's quite funny.

SPEAKER_10 41:18

So I'm let's go back to your podcast for a bit. I it sounds like, as a listener, it sounds like most of the people on your podcast are people in your lives and that you know. Um is that true? Or do you reach out and bring complete strangers that are connected to what you want to talk about on too?

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Nope, we've never done that. We always do people that we know. Yeah. Uh we thought about it, but I think so far, especially because I was traveling so much last year, the easiest thing has just been people that we already know.

SPEAKER_10 41:48

Do you talk to podcasters outside of uh outside of Nepal very much about podcasting or geeking out about any aspect of medium?

SPEAKER_02 41:59

No, we're total loners. We saw your question about like, oh, are you involved in the podcasting? Blah blah blah, and I was like, oh There's a community. We only care about ourselves, honestly.

SPEAKER_09 42:14

I mean, partially, yeah, because there's two of us, like we just kind of bounce off of each other too. And um we both have kind of big personalities, so we kind of fill up the room just ourselves, and then we're like once in a while come up for air and like, oh yeah, okay, other people come in, come in.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

Yeah, I think all of my input as far as how to have a good podcast just comes from me listening to other people's podcasts.

SPEAKER_09 42:40

Yeah, or me watching people on YouTube and being like, hey, this 22-year-old influencer did this. Do you want to do this?

unknown 42:46

That's true.

SPEAKER_10 42:49

Well, you guys were used to using the equipment beforehand too, so you didn't have those beginning podcast questions of how to hold a mic or how to record, how to edit. So you skipped over all of that. That is true.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 43:02

If tomorrow y'all met somebody in Kathmandu that said, Hey, I want to start a podcast, what's one bit of advice you would give them?

SPEAKER_02 43:10

One thing that we did well, uh-huh, then I'm gonna show off how great we are, that I really am super glad for is we planned things out ahead of time. So we had some ideas about what we wanted the podcast to be like. And I had listened to a lot of podcasts, so I had some ideas of what I didn't want to do and what I did want to do, and we created a episode structure that we have followed the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

And I think that's really nice to have that consistency. Like if someone finds our podcast now and they decide they want to listen to all the episodes, they can start with episode one and it's gonna have the same format as episode 15.

SPEAKER_09 43:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 43:51

You've never deviated from your from your format.

SPEAKER_09 43:54

No, no, yeah, we've kind of become more specific as time went on. Like I remember when we were first. Planning, we're like, oh, we're gonna, you know, have a millennial minute where I talk where White talks about being a millennial. And we did that a couple times, but then it just gradually has gotten more and more specific.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

Yeah, but I mean basically we have like blooper music intro, talk about our weeks, do the topic, have a segment, do our exit, exit music. Yeah, it's the same every single time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 44:28

I would recommend before you start your podcast to find your niche, like really think about who your audience should be. Yeah. For us, like it kind of fell into our laps because we knew that I mean, of course, we knew that we wanted to talk about being expats, and it just so happened that we wanted to talk about being expats in Nepal, and not a lot of people have talked about being expats in Nepal. So it was easy for us to for people to find us. They're like, Oh, I'm coming to Nepal. I searched Nepal Travel Podcast, and you guys were the ones. So we're like, oh wow, okay, that that happened really well for us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

That's true though. Like trying to narrow down a little bit what you think you want your podcast to be about, I think will help listeners find you.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 45:21

Well, since expat podcasting has become a thing and there's a lot more of them in the mix globally, not just in one country, it it also helps with having a different way that you're doing it than just we're gonna talk about our week, which is part of it, but you guys have a very different take on it than some other ones. So dude, you do have a specific niche within the niche.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Yeah, well, I mean, I think again, it fell into our laps in the sense that we are linguists, and obviously language and language learning is a really important topic for expats. So that's convenient for us, you know. Already have knowledge in a field or yeah, topic that matches with also our desire to talk about traveling and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_10 46:14

I think about this way too often because of the fragiless of being an expat. Like there's a huge part of my own podcasting world that is currently built on expatness. If I were to have to or want to, or surprisingly, had this amazing opportunity to go back home to the US.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

I like your aircomb.

SPEAKER_10 46:35

What would I do differently? Yeah, I'm like, home, back to my passport country. What would I change about my podcast? What would I change about my podcasting world? How would I have to reframe things? Do you guys ever think about if if and when you ever go back to the US, what would you do with this thing you've created? I think we'd just stop.

SPEAKER_09 46:56

Yeah, I think we would just put it to bed.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, hope that people enjoy our back catalog. But I think because we have such a niche niche, who even knows anymore? It's hard enough. Yeah, I regret using that word deeply. But then like trying to talk on a podcast when you have other languages in your head at the same time, it's like it's rough. But um, yeah, I mean, like we talked about our podcast has such a specific niche that it just seems like it wouldn't be relevant anymore. What would we talk about? Oh, I remember when I did live in Nepal and XYZ happened, you know? And neither of us would want to continue the podcast without the other person either. So I think that's another reason that we would just sadly say goodbye.

SPEAKER_09 47:46

Well, I think and we even saw when Big was in the States, how quickly you become disconnected from Nepal for us.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Yeah, White definitely took over all the episode planning when I was traveling because I couldn't think. She'd be like, what should we talk about? And I'd be like, What is Nepal? And she's like, Okay, how about we talk about this? And then, you know, she'd give me some prompts and questions and I could like reach into the back parts of my brain and find memories of what it's like to begin Nepal. But being in the context is huge, I think.

SPEAKER_10 48:21

Would either of you be tempted to start a different podcast about just language or something else or somewhere else?

SPEAKER_09 48:28

It'd be real weird. I mean I know I love podcasting. Me too. I think for us, starting out podcasting was not, oh, we want to podcast, what can we podcast about? It was podcasting just happened to be a really easy way for us to talk to each other without having to put on makeup.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

The the topic was what we were interested in, and then podcasting was a convenient vehicle rather than vice versa.

SPEAKER_09 49:00

So I think at least for me, like I mean, I love podcasting. I would I would start another podcast, but it would have to be something that I was equally passionate about.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

And I would say for me, I wouldn't do it by myself. If I was gonna do another podcast, I would want to do it with a co-host again.

SPEAKER_09 49:17

Yeah. Yeah. I can't even imagine. How do you do it?

SPEAKER_02 49:20

We're so impressed with you. We were talking about you because we were like, yeah, we're not involved in the podcasting community, but yeah, you like. No.

SPEAKER_10 49:29

Well, although I did do it solo for a long time, but those suck and I probably shouldn't have them up. But no, when I bring when I started bringing on guests, I was really hesitant for guests because then I was like, then I have to pay attention to the editing and make them sound really good. Whereas I was I was cool with good enough for my own voice, and then like describing them well enough and and making sure I had all everything look nice. And so it was a weird pressure when I started bringing on guests, but I realized the conversation was so much easier. And as a listener, I was like, oh my god, it's so much more fun to listen to two people than just one. And I was like, well, done, done with solo episodes.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

I don't think I listened to any podcast that's only one person talking. Yeah, except for the scripted news podcast. Otherwise, it was just so it's hard to have the like to get the energy going.

SPEAKER_10 50:18

Yeah, it is, it is, and I do, but it they are very informational, quick podcasts that I listen to. It's just one person. Okay. The longer ones are definitely two or four people, and there's gotta be banter and laughing. And yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

I know I'm always worried that we laugh too much on our podcast, but I've mentioned that to a couple people that listen and they're like, no, it's great.

SPEAKER_10 50:41

I take out half of my laughter, and I actually learned how to make it not as loud because I forget to do this. Oh, yeah. I forget to move away from the mic, and my spikes throw all leveling off. So I've learned how to like bring my own laughter down and cut out at least half of it, and it's still too much, and I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

I mean, that's what I feel like most of my time spent editing is trying to make our like volume spikes even out of it.

unknown 51:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

But we do use do you use um service to compress your podcast so that they're all the same level? It's called Auphonic A-U-P-H. Oh yeah, I do use them. Oh, you do. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that is a huge important thing for making sure that all your episodes are the same. So if someone's listening through, it's not like suddenly loud, suddenly quiet. Like episode by episode. But within the episode, it also levels it out.

SPEAKER_10 51:36

So yeah, I do use that. I just didn't realize that was Oh what it was. Yeah. My terminology is all messed up. Right.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

But well, I don't know. You're more involved in it than I am. You might have better terminology, but you can do it yourself, but it's kind of technical and hard, and I tried to learn, and I'm an engineer and I couldn't do it, so the laugh spikes throw it off.

SPEAKER_10 51:59

So I do those individually, and I've actually done something that I just did it by accident once, and then it worked. And I was trying to um, you know, the fade in, fade out thing in all in uh Audacity. I do that for some music stuff that goes between stuff, and I accidentally hit that instead of something else with one of the laugh spikes, and it brought it down really small, but you could still hear it, and it sounded like background laughter, and I was like, oh, and now I just use that for every laugh spike. I just do that, and then I put it through Alphonic. The laughter's still there, but it's not like blowing your earbuds out. So, yeah. No, laughter's a good thing. I keep hearing this from a lot of podcasters. Like, people say we laugh too much. I'm like, shut up and go listen to another podcast if you don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Laughter's good. No one has ever said I'm the only one who thinks that.

SPEAKER_10 52:48

Oh, okay, good. Final question.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

What is one thing I know you guys dogs?

SPEAKER_10 52:54

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

They stop right as we said it.

SPEAKER_10 52:59

See, the thing is, I lived in North in Asia for so long that honestly, sometimes I automatically tune out noises. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

I don't even think about it. And then, like I sent my friend, you know, on messaging apps, you can do like a voicemail or voice message. Voicemail. And I I sent him something. I was like, Oh, I'm too lazy to type, and I just said something. And he wrote back, so good to hear the sounds of Kevin Doo. I was like, oh man, I didn't even notice.

SPEAKER_10 53:28

Yeah, I once had a friend of mine that I was interviewing via Zoom, and she had her kid in her arms. He was maybe one year old at the time, and I was so excited to see him because she had left China and she was back in Canada, and I hadn't actually seen him after he was born, and I was so excited that I ignored the fact that when he started to to like make baby sounds, I ignored it completely and we just kept talking. And I'm like, Oh, I cannot take that out of the track.

SPEAKER_11 53:54

I don't know though.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

I whenever I talk about that, I always people often comment to me, oh, but you know what? It makes it feel authentic. And I mean, I think that's one of the reasons people like podcasts, you know. Yeah. They like shows that are recorded live because it feels authentic and real, and it's not this like uh what's the word I'm looking for? I don't know, kind of premeditated or really like polished thing. So overly polished kind of thing. Yeah. I I try to cut out distracting noises, but I never get too concerned about background noises because I think you know what, that's part of my life. And if you're here to listen to about my life, well, as we talk about noise. Yes, can you hear it?

SPEAKER_10 54:41

No, but I I can finally hear the dogs now, and they're so faint in the background. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_09 54:47

That's because they're right by my house. Oh no. Like a dog, I don't know what to call it. Like a shelter? A dog home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Orphanage.

SPEAKER_09 54:56

Oh, there's a pack of them that, you know, of course, somebody abused at some point, and now they live there. And so the past three years that I've driven by and they always look at me like, Are you gonna kill me today? Like, have I ever even looked you in the eye? Anyway, there's my soapbox. Thank you and good night. I love dogs. I love all animals. I'm a good person.

SPEAKER_10 55:24

Let's remind the listeners where they can find you and your podcast online.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

So our podcast is called Big and White: Life as a Foreigner in Asia.

SPEAKER_09 55:35

And you can find us on Instagram and Facebook by searching Big and White Podcast. We post often on both of those platforms. You can also email us if for some reason you want to do that instead of just looking at the podcast. Bigandwhitepodcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yep. And we're on all of the podcasting platforms. You can also stream our podcast from just our website. If you Google it, you will find it.

SPEAKER_10 56:04

No, I'm subscribed, but I forget this. The and in big and and, if they're just searching in their app, is it the words or the symbol? Or does it matter? A and D.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

And our logo is a little orange cartoon of us. So look for the orange.

SPEAKER_10 56:18

It's very cute. Who did your logo?

SPEAKER_02 56:20

One of White's friends is a graphic designer, and we contracted her to do it, and she did a great job.

SPEAKER_07 56:29

California minutes. It takes a little while. You can try and just forget it. You can stretch a fall of mine.

SPEAKER_10 56:40

Thank you so much to Big and White for doing this super long conversation in March. I've told you how long it takes me to do this, but I've also haven't told you how bad my internet connection was in that apartment. Oh, it was bad. You know those little things that you get when you go to an airport and you need like a Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi that can go around with you? I forget what those called, those little devices. That's what existed in our what was it, thousand euro apartment when we first arrived in Berlin. That's the only internet that we had. In fact, we couldn't, uh my husband and I couldn't be on the internet at the same time. It was such a horrible little device. I'm sure they're not all horrible, but this particular one was awful. And so, yeah, it was it was really bad. But big and white, they trudged through and we had the conversation and we talked for a really long time and it was fantastic. And I hope that you were able to pull out some useful, interesting, or at least entertaining information from this particular episode. There is going to be the language side of this over on Geopetzlanguage, and that'll be coming out very, very soon, she says, knowing that this that time is very fluid right now, shall we say? A couple of more quick things before we go. You can find more information about this episode at stefffuccio.com forward slash geopets podcasting forward slash 20. Again, my Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, website, and Gmail address is Steph Fuccio, S-T-E-P-H, F-U-C-C-I-O. However you contact me, however you want to contact me, I would be delighted to hear from you on what you think about this or any of our episodes. Finally, we are still accepting tips at buymeacoffee.com that went over really well for now pod pomo, so we've continued on. It's buymeacoffee.com forward slash you got it. Geopaths. BuymeaCoffee.com forward slash geopaths. Thank you so much for listening to this episode and for getting this bar into the episode. Go you. We'll have a new episode out soon. And at some point this year I'm gonna have a schedule. I promise. I promise you. All right. Bye.

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