Dr. Andy Pruitt: Sports Medicine Pioneer

Sports medicine clinics are now commonplace, but that wasn't always the case! One of the pioneers in the field of sports medicine and bike-fitting legend Dr. Andy Pruitt joins us on this episode to share his thoughts about health, wellness, life and so much more!

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Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the latest episode of the catalyst, health, wellness, and performance coaching podcast. I'm your host, dr. Bradford Cooper of the catalyst coaching Institute. And today we're going to be speaking with one of the pioneers of sports medicine, dr. Andy Pruitt initiated in many ways, the concept of bike fitting and was the founder of one of the first sports medicine centers in the world. The center of sports medicine in Boulder, Colorado. It's a fun discussion with someone who has had such an incredible impact on multiple fronts. If you're thinking about pursuing your certification as a health and wellness coach, the last fast track of 2020 is coming up November 14th and 15th, it's entirely virtual. And as soon as you register, you can, if you want begin the other components of the process to get a running start, this will set you up for the 2021 national board certification through the MBH WC. So it's perfect timing. If that's on your radar, the last five fast have filled up early, so don't wait too long. If it's a priority, all the details, catalyst coaching institute.com or feel free to reach out to us anytime results@catalystcoachinginstitute.com and just a quick reminder, check out youtube.com/coaching channel. As we now have over 90 videos covering health, wellness, and performance available for free over there. And we'd love to get your feedback. Now it's time to take a stroll down memory lane and turn our attention toward our own optimal performance with dr. Andy Pruitt on the latest episode of the catalyst, health, wellness, and performance coaching podcast. Well, dr. Pruitt, welcome to the catalyst health, wellness, and performance coaching podcast. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. So just about everybody knows dr. Andy Pruitt, even if maybe they don't realize they know you based on the influence. You've had both on sports medicine and the cycling world. I'll give the quick version that they've heard in the intro pioneer in the world of bike fitting founder of the center of sports medicine in Boulder, Colorado, Paralympic medalist. What, as you look back over the journey, what are some of your favorite memories,

Speaker 2: 1:53

Favorite memories? Wow. You know, I, my career started as sideline medicine as an athletic trainer. I came to Boulder, Colorado to be on Eddie Crowder's last football staff. That'll age me. Interesting. Yeah. That's why I came is to be on Eddie's last football staff. See you was ranked third in the nation at the time. Um, I had only been out of undergraduate school a year, but I had started a sports medicine program out in New Jersey and a small college, a booming success if I have to say still myself anyway. So Colorado called and boom here I am. So, uh, 40 plus years of sideline and clinical medicine, 40 years of bike racing and 35 years of caring for cyclists at all levels. I, I mean memories. If, if, if you were to ask me my greatest athletic memory, it'd probably be winning the world championships. Um, and Joey Soulo are France and, and, uh, 1987, that's probably my, my favorite athletic memory, but clinically it was probably opening the Boulder center for sports medicine. I had been away all summer with the Olympic team. I was the, uh, chief medical officer for USA cycling and the chief medical officer for all cycling venues at the Atlanta Olympics. So I had been away all summer, uh, knowing that I was gonna leave my small practice in Denver to open this revel at the time.

Speaker 3: 3:30

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, no question about it.

Speaker 2: 3:32

Yeah. Now they're on every corner, but, uh, at the time it was a, it was a big deal and open that, that opening night as I looked around and thought, wow, this is, you know, I've opened the Olympic training center equivalent, but open to the public with total, uh, community physician input and support it. And it was the greatest 20 years of my professional career, uh, running, uh, the Boulder center for sports medicine. So, like I said before, we started my two careers of an intertwined. And, um, I don't know, that's a tough question right out of the gate, but no, but I, I enjoy it making me think about favorite memories. So I would give winning the worlds and opening. BCSM my two favorites.

Speaker 3: 4:22

Beautiful. Beautiful. All right. Let's get into some of the specific people you've met, some of the world's greatest athletes in, in your lifetime, who are some of your favorites that stand out above the crowd for you personally that maybe, maybe the audience doesn't even know these names, but for you personally, who stands out?

Speaker 2: 4:41

Well, the one that people are gonna recognize most at the moment is Peter Saigon. Peter is just a character and it would be a character if he played soccer or if he was an artist or that's just him. And I met him at a time when he was in great need and was lucky enough to help him. So we had a relationship that, you know, was more than a sponsor, thrusting me on a team. It was, I already had this relationship with him. So he is just a character. He was what cycling needed at the time. He's in the Twilight. He may not want to admit this right now, but he's in the Twilight of his sprinting career. Uh, I don't think he's in the Twilight of his classics career, but anyway, theater is just the character you see on TV is, is truly him. Um, and it's such a great guy. Uh, and the other one that's popular right now that people will know is Julia. Now, Felipe, you know, I've known Julian since he was just a kid. And he too is just this bubbling, effervescent, Frenchman, right. Uh, and I mean, Frenchman in most loving way, just great, great characters. Um, I've enjoyed them. And then there was a guy who was a professional wrestler of all things. Uh, he's no longer with us. His name was Leon white. He played, um, center and middle guard for CU back in the day, a gigantic from Watts. Um, that does add up much does it. Um, but he went on to be a professional wrestler and was known as the baby bull. And he wrestle mostly in Europe and in Japan, but he was just this great big guy. And there was a time in the training room at CU. He was a freshmen and we made the freshmen wait to be the last guys taped and Leon required a lot of tape. Um, anyway, and I remember him busting his way into the training room and just coming after me verbally. And I pinned him up against the wall, grabbing his shirt, and we had a little altercation at that moment. I'm half this size. And we had a respect from that moment on, uh, I had the pleasure of caring for him as he played for the Los Angeles Rams after CU, he then went on to be golly, I don't know, 15 years and, and, you know, pro artistic wrestling, whatever you want to call it. Um, and he confided in me in a way that he would have never had we not had that chest bumping rotation in the training room. So I could go on. I mean, I love to tell stories. And in 40 years I've met lots of characters there, there's the 300 pound guy and there's the 130 pounds of Julian. And the baby bull are pretty big opposites that I can say I encountered in my forties.

Speaker 3: 7:56

I love it. Let's, let's get in a little bit more of the w we love the practical side here on the, on this podcast. And so as you've spent time with these incredible athletes, as you've watched them as you've chatted with them, as you've observed them behind the curtain, what have you learned from them for your life? What have you digested from them where you say, you know what, I probably do this a little bit more because of this interaction I had because of the time I had with this person over here, kind of the iron sharpens iron, but in a more personalized, in your case, very unique way.

Speaker 2: 8:34

I've always been up. My goals were nebulous, right? I never sought out success. I've had this conversation about common friend, Rob Carrera. I never sought it out. I just everyday did what I thought was right. I don't want to get too mystical about it, but I, I I've always tried to do what was right. And so success found me, um, the, what these characters have in common is incredible focus toward an end goal. And I think if you were to ask my friends, my local ride buddies, um, my wife, that if I, if I say it out loud, if I say I am going to do it. So, and that, you know, you know, Peter said to me is that I want to win multiple world championships in a row. And he said, you know, I want to win on multiple kinds of courses. I don't want to be just a climber justice sprinter. And he set his mind and he did it, I think. Yeah, I think that's the secret that these guys have. They don't all have massive physiological engines. They're all on par with each other, but many times it is the guy who wants it the most and has prepared the best, right? The harder we work, the luckier we get, uh, you know, prior planning, um, proved success. There's all kinds of, you know, slogans, but I think that's what I would walk away in camp cycling or any other sport and walk away and say that kid's special, or that woman is special. And then within the next couple of years, they're, they're winning world championships or, or bowl games. So that's, I think that's the difference. If you put 50 world-class athletes on a fence, they're all within a couple of heartbeats or max Veo twos, right. Of each other. And it is that dedication. And is that willingness, that focus, say it out loud and do it. That's, that's what I took away.

Speaker 3: 11:04

So let's run down that path a little bit because I agree. I think that is an absolute superpower. And it's, it is the folks that I've crossed paths with. Same thing. That is a huge one. But with you, it was, it sounds like it was already there. It was natural. Is that something that you think people can learn or do you either have it, or you don't?

Speaker 2: 11:27

Well, I think you have it personally. I was born with it. Right. I don't want to go down this road, but I, uh, you know, I had a hunting accident when I was a kid and, um, my mom always told me I had a one track mind. Right. So that, that that's the good start to focus and goal setting. So I, you know, I had a gunshot accident when I was, and everybody was worried. Uh, I was an athlete. And the first, the first question I asked when I woke up what my new foot have toes, and when will I run? And this was 1964. So the thought of an ADT running.

Speaker 3: 12:10

Right, right, right, right. Different world. It a bizarre concept. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:15

Different world. So I, I I've always had it bred. I, I, um, that's, that's just me and, and for better or worse, you know, get the hell out of my way. So

Speaker 3: 12:28

Have you seen athletes that have developed that over time, as you've seen people that maybe have the talent, they don't have the focus, but over time they develop it or is it literally, it's not going to happen because this guy or this gal just, they just don't have that piece.

Speaker 2: 12:44

So again, these are my personal observations. They're not science, but the guy that's got it, he's always got it. So there's the, there's the athlete that has suffered a disappointment or an injury. And then they find a new gear. Right. Is that learned or was it there and their setback to the door, right. I'm not sure. Um, it's about mental toughness. It's about mental focus. Um, there's a lot of great athletes sitting on a couch somewhere that has no idea that they're a great athlete. They've never tapped it. Right. I mean, if I'm coaching someone, uh, athletically, I'd rather have an average athlete with a tremendous focus and work ethic than the gifted athlete who has no focus or, or work ethic. So that's, you know, that's sure personal bias. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 13:51

No, no, no. I'm right there with you. Absolutely. All right. We don't want to take too deep, a dive into bike fitting, but we can't leave it off the table either with your history. I remember when we won the race across America, back in 16, people were constantly like, Oh my gosh, how, how terrible was it to be on your bike seat, that little seat for, you know, 15 hours a day? I was fine. Like that was not an issue at all. I had a great bike fit. I was so comfortable. I would joke about it. I was more comfortable my bike than my easy chair, but let, let's start for the serious writers. Most of them already know all about bike fitting, but what are a couple of things they might not realize that you could kind of bring to the forefront for them?

Speaker 2: 14:30

Well, I, I would, I would contradict what you just said. I don't think all elite riders know all about

Speaker 3: 14:36

Really interesting.

Speaker 2: 14:39

It's not uncommon, um, for these elite characters, not to even know what size bike day.

Speaker 3: 14:45

Mm, interesting.

Speaker 2: 14:48

Sat on it and successful, uh, position has been, um, basically inherited or, um, you know, get the, the, the thumb mometer, um, looking at it. Um, so no, there there's, I mean, Fabion catch Alara when I first met him, he had no idea. I had no idea. So I think there are people who succeed. This happens a lot in the, in the highest level, people who succeed too, despite their background or their equipment or whatever else that is, have that focus and that physiological gift seed. So my philosophy[inaudible] developed over decades, but it was basically the bike has to look like you and you're comfortable in your bike because somebody has made that bike reflect your biomechanical and physiological gifts. And if it mirrors you well, then you do not have to adapt. So the human is incredibly adaptable, you know, living machine while the bike is an adjustable rigid machine. So if you get on a bike that doesn't even just millimeters off your body's going to adapt to that position. And if it has to adapt too much, there's going to be a physiological break. There's going to be a tendonitis. And there's going to be some kind of overuse injury that occurs when that adaptation fails. So when a bike fits you, right. Adaptation to those misgivings are minimized or, or not there at all. So that, that philosophy is just always, I don't know, it was there the first real bike fit I did 1979. We think Connie carpenter her claim to fame. Now, as the mother Taylor Finney, of course, we all know she's a world champion Olympic champion. Exactly. And basically she came to the training room at CU and had knee pain. And, uh, I had one of the football players hold her saddle kind of like a time trial start. And she backpedaled for me, that was the first dynamic. She couldn't it forward. Right. Um, when, uh, bicycle trainers, when trainers, you know, didn't exist at the time, right? Well, she backpedaled for me, that was the first dynamic bike fit, um, that we did. So I just knew that she had this funny knee wobble and that's, those are the days when we were nailing cleats on the bottom of wooden shoes. So we didn't get right, right. Then you had to adapt to that faulty clique position. And the Europeans elbow had been telling us that the cleats go here and your knees go there and there you have it, right. It's written in the Italian fit manual published in 1976. This is how you sit on a bike. And it was based on how the young, 20 year old male Italians that were successful, um, sat on their bikes. And they, well, if that guy looks like this and he's successful, then that's the way we should. All right. And it's just totally wrong. It's not true. Um, but a lot of people washed out of the sport over the years because they could not adapt to the, uh, Italian fit method in those years. So, um, the reason your bike is so comfortable for you is the someone made it look like you, hopefully it was an intentional, it wasn't that, uh, an accident, but I suspected it was an intentional, absolutely mirror image of you. Um, you see the guy get a, uh, a spare bike at the tour, right? It's always bike fails and he gets it. They're never quite the same. I, even though the mechanics are meticulous about every millimeter adjusting the brake hoods and the saddle Heights in the saddle for Afton, the bar roll and all those things. When you get on a different bike, different than when you've been riding for four hours, it is different. So suddenly that first 15 minutes that body's going, wait, I've got to do this. So if you think about the world championships, that just were, I don't know if you mean by Washington or not, but, but, um, uh, the young, um, so beanie and good. My mind's gone blank. Um, um, uh, toddy, uh[inaudible] um, he had just won the tour de France, right? And so here we are in the world. And just before the big climb where he was going to attack his bike fails, he drifts all the way. The back of the Peloton gets us, gets a new, new bike rides all the way through the Peloton tax. And he's halfway up the Hill and he blows up. Now, did he blow up? Because he was fatigued from the tour? Did he blow up because he was leading out a teammate? Did he blow up because this spare bike wasn't exactly right. And that is a definite possibility for the reason that he hit that his attack did not succeed. He was not on a bike that he started the race on. So anyway, I took it a left turn I on you. But,

Speaker 3: 20:18

Uh, we love left turns here. This is, that's the fun part. Let's slightly more left turn over. The recreational rider is a bike fit important for that person. So if I'm riding twice a week, I get out on the weekend. And then sometime during the week, I head up for an evening ride for an hour and a half. Is, should that person be looking for a bike fit?

Speaker 2: 20:38

Well, let's just say, they've got a slightly Malford bicycle and they're riding only twice a week. There's a lot of time between those rides for those adaptations to heal. You may not really notice it is that same guy that rides twice a week that suddenly wants to do RAGBRAI know Iowa, right? So now all of a sudden, a day three in a row, whatever genes have been, then he's going to have patella tendonitis or saddles or whatever it is. So that, that shows me that twice a week, guy has a lot of chance to heal in between now the weekend warrior, who doesn't ride all week and who hammers himself Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 3: 21:29

And nobody does that. What do you mean

Speaker 2: 21:33

At 70? I have trouble doing that these days, but anyway, that that guy has a less of a chance to recover between hard efforts. And he may be more inclined to have trouble. But the answer to your first question, does everybody, the bike fit? And the answer is yes. How many, how many bikes are hanging in garages? And, and the owner says, you know, I don't really like bicycle. It's uncomfortable, my hand. I just don't like it. So they hang it up, stop cycling. Right? So that's a sad thing because cycling should be a life long sport. There is no reason in the world. You may need training wheels at some point in time, but like a lifelong sport. So yes, everybody deserves a biomechanically, correct? Fitting bicycle.

Speaker 3: 22:28

That's great advice. I didn't know you were going to take us down that path, but that's, that's fantastic. So with that in mind, pretty much every bike shop, many physical therapy clinics and other places offer the fittings. Are there certain questions? So if someone hears this and they're like, you know what I need to do that? Are there certain questions somebody should ask before they make that appointment?

Speaker 2: 22:49

It's such a tricky question. Back when I was taking care of Connie, you know, in the late seventies, there were probably three bike fitters in America and five in Europe. And we all knew who each other work. And, and we all were experts in our own way now, partly thanks to me, but there's a lot of wanting to be experts out there. So everybody thinks they're a bike fitter. Um, physical therapists believe it to be in their, in their world right in their skillset. And I will tell you that, that I have some retail bike fitters with no medical training that I would refer to before, you know, some of the PTs. Exactly. So, but, but I also, one of my number one referrals is a PT bike, fitter and San Jose, uh, give Curtis Krambuhl at a shout out. That guy is just, he marries the two disciplines as it should be done. Um, he's a follower of the bike should look like the rider. So how does somebody pick a bike vendor? I think experience. So if you've got a buddy that had success, so my best friend has knee pain. He goes to see Joe blow fitter and he resolves his knee pain. Oh, okay. I'll do that again. But just because they've got a fancy studio or, or the busiest shop in town and they're cheap, right? The a hundred dollar be aware of the a hundred dollar bikes out, even the$200 bikes everywhere. So I think knowing who in the community has used this person, do they have medical connections? So if they're not a PG, what if in a pure retailer, some of the best they're some of the best bikers are purely retail fitters that have got a good eye and have good education in the, in the world of bikes that, how do you pick that? Right. One, I ask the right questions. If they've got this, they've got a medical connection. In other words, if there's a retail bike fitter that has a chiropractor, a physical therapist, even a nonsurgical sports med doc that they work with and they trade, you know, clients that that is, that's a good guy. Uh, he's developed a respect in the medical community where the medical community refers to him and he refers back to them. He or her that's, that's it. Yeah. So picking how to sort through the wannabes to the, to the real guy, it's, it's a challenge. It is, technology's important. There's a friend of mine down in Arizona that has every technological gizmo known to man. And he actually lectures around the world on the use of technology and bike fitting, but it's like an MRI. Um, so you and I come from the real world of medicine, right? So we have a young physician who doesn't really have developed his evaluation skills yet. I got knee pain. Oh, we better get an MRI. Well, you know, and I know that the MRI is going to have lots of false positives, absolutely. Lots of noise. Yeah. And then he sends them off to the orthopedics. Cause they've got a torn meniscus on an MRI. They take out that tournament ESCOs and they didn't resolve is that within that, you've got to be able to use technology, uh, and you have to be able to interpret that technology. So technology alone does not make a bike fitter. Do I think that we're going to automate bike fit at some sometime based on math? I think that the basic bike fit ultimately could be done automatically based on math, but it won't be that final, that final perfection that you're looking forward to ride across America. That's for sure. Right before I

Speaker 3: 26:44

Want to shift over to sports medicine. But before we do, you mentioned something that I know somebody out there listening to the same weight, what a hundred to$200 is too little to spend on it. Can, can you talk us through, so for the personal list thing that says, you know what I, this makes sense. I think I really need this because I am writing two, three times a week and I am going to try that, you know, that century ride in my, my region or whatever, but wait, did he say$200 is not a walk us through the rationale for saying, you know what, I'm going to invest 250,$300 or even 150 to$200 help us out with that a little bit.

Speaker 2: 27:18

Well, a good bike fit is going to take two and a half hours. So if you think about that individual's time and his overhead and the service that he's offering, you know, it just do the math. It's going to add, it's going to add up to that, right? So if he's invested, let's say 10 grand in technology, he's got, um, rent, he's been educated. Um, he has experience paying somebody. Um, they're going to pay a physical therapist, a hundred dollars an hour. You know, why wouldn't you pay a professional bike fitter? I I've told classes, a bike coders that do not give your services away. You are not a free power bar. Uh, you're not, uh, you're not a free tube. You, you, you are providing a professional service that is either going to eliminate somebody's discomfort or prevent somebody's discomfort. So it is, it is a, it should be a valued service.

Speaker 3: 28:25

Well, and I think you made a huge point there that a lot of people don't realize they're thinking bike fit, Oh, I'm going to go in. They're going to adjust my seat for a few minutes. You know, it's going to be 15 minutes. You're saying no, no, no, no, no, no. If it's done well, we're talking an hour and a half, two hours, two and a half hours. So folks keep that in mind when you're looking at this, this is not a quick fix. It's worth the investment. And I can tell you from experience, it is so worth the investment. So let's shift over to sports medicine. You founded the Boulder center of sports medicine. And as you mentioned, there was not one. Now everybody's like, Oh, well, yeah, nice. There's one in every street corner. But, but that wasn't true. That was a groundbreaking approach. What, what changes have most intrigued you about sports medicine industry over your career? Maybe starting around that time and taking this up to now?

Speaker 2: 29:13

Well, let's start with why I did it. I had been the, I'd done several Olympic festivals as a, on the medical crew and Olympic festival. And those days were in off year. So they weren't Olympics. They were, they were a pre Olympic, uh, event, all the Olympic sports. And it was to really bring all the American athletes together pre, but between real Olympic years to get them to help choose the Olympic team. So I had worked several of those. I had done several summers volunteering at the Olympic training center and, uh, was the chief medical officer for USA cycling from 92 to 96. So what's interesting is that when I left the U in 1985, I went to Eddie Crowder, the athletic director at the time and proposed this concept of being, having the training room open to the public certain hours of the day, and having the ability to charge for our services and the athletic department wanted no part of it. We don't want all cyclists and those weird rock climbers. They don't want them hanging on our train room. That was their response in all honesty and Boulder was full of post-collegiate athletes, Frank shorter being the name. And he had no. So I just opened the door to Frank. So Frank I'll, you know, you're welcome here any time. Um, we take these feet almost every day, but there was because there was no venue for post-collegiate now Olympic athletes to pursue care. So the, the idea that I went to the athletic department, whether it was let's just open the train room to the public charge, a cash fee, it will be a revenue stream. There was zero interest. So I left, I went down to Denver and just joined a, an orthopedic group, which I owe a lot of gratitude to. I worked two days a week in the, or I have an undergraduate degree in anatomy. Well, let me tell you two days a week, 10 hours a day in the, or is the best anatomy lesson. No kidding. A guy could have putting in total knees and total hips and fixing an ACL as a rotator cuffs. So it made me a far better anatomist and a far better clinician. So anyway, I'm there, I'm working at the Olympic training center. I'm working for the cycling team. I'm working at Western orthopedic and Boulder community hospital called me and said, we're thinking about getting in the sports medicine business. And we hear you're the guy. And so I told the president of the hospital, I said, okay, this is my idea. And I'm happy to leave my very successful, uh, employment to come do this. If you do X, Y, and Z and X, Y, and Z was building the Boulder center for sports medicine. The concept was an athletic train room, like at the Olympic training center. So at the Olympic training center, you have rotating physicians and physical therapists. The athletic training staff is pretty much set at the training center, but the physicians, chiropractors, podiatrists, physical therapists, they rotate through on a two week basis. And they did at the time. I'm not sure what they do today, but it showed me that having the athlete death metric trainer, a physician access to imaging, um, having the whole team at the bedside for this athlete was a concept that should work right, money aside. This is the concept that should work in a place like Boulder, Colorado, and that's what I've proposed. And, um, we built it. It was a huge success. And we, we actually had a limpic committees from other countries. Come look at, uh BCSM to see how they would want to set up their national training centers. And of course, universities, we started, we had so many requests to come tour. The place we started charging a fee

Speaker 4: 33:27

Tells you you're doing something, right.

Speaker 2: 33:28

Why shouldn't I charge you? You're going to open up a center to compete. Totally. Anyway, what has changed internet? A couple of years ago, I was the keynote speaker at training peaks and their endurance coaching seminar. And what they asked me to talk on was what changes I had seen over my 40 year career. And it's pretty crazy, right? Heart rate monitors didn't exist. Oh, my word. Yeah, isokinetic strengthening. I mean, so I had this whole list of technologies that MRI didn't exist, uh, back in those days, the, the word sports medicine or sports surgery. Oh my God. We would Flay open knees to fix. But for me, you know, I really believe in time and place. I was in the right, right place at the right time where we were doing these huge open surgeries to fix an MCL, which we weren't even fix anymore. But the anatomy lesson for me to turn me into a better diagnostician was huge. I think there's too much. So they answer your question. There's too much technology at the time. I think that we're too reliant on MRI and those kinds of things with one exception possible. And I think that's ultrasound diagnostic ultrasound in the right hands. Oh my God. I'm you can see tendinitis. You can see star. You can. So the advancement that, that I think, uh, two advancements that I would think is, is the use of diagnostic ultrasound in the right hands. And then biologics, platelet, rich plasma injections, STEM cells. And I use that word carefully, but there are, there are doc in the boxes doing STEM cells and VRP. And then there are folks that are truly doing it, you know, customizing the concentrations and STEM cell choices based on the location where they're gonna be put. Um, so if you ask me what the biggest revelations are in sports medicine, I think it's use of diagnostic ultrasound and biologics. Um, yeah, it's been a man seriously, 40 some odd years.

Speaker 3: 35:50

All right. You've seen it all. When it comes to the endurance world, including the ugly side. Can you take us behind the scenes of some of the, you know, the performance enhancing drugs for those people that are listening saying, well, why, why is it such a big part of the culture and second kind of follow up? Are there any answers to solving this issue or is it just what it's going to be?

Speaker 2: 36:12

So those are two questions, one the dark side during the sport, and then performance and dance and drugs. There's two, they're both dark side. I think one of the biggest things that I, uh, that I encounter and don't like to encounter is the eating disorder. The bulemia the anorexia, the bad relationship with food, both men and women. Um, you know, it's more prevalent in women, but I would tell you in the world of cycling and running, it's probably equal men, women, and it scars them physically. It scars them mentally for life. Um, never to have never to have a real healthy relationship with your body image or with food. Those are, those are both devastating things. Um, performance enhancing drugs. Well, it's, it's, it's like a beauty and the beast, right? It's a story as old as time, right. And it truly is. And you can go back as far as you want, and whether that's drinking lion's blood or bear a testicle, whatever, looking for that mystical edge is a story. As old as time, and with high tech stuff, you know, EPO and, and other, you know, aerobic altering pharmaceuticals, it, the, you, the athlete and athletes coach good stay one step ahead of the testing process, which was pretty late for a long time. And then have you got some countries that are going to allow systemic cheating? So then you've got the country that the athlete from the country that doesn't allow us to make GD, but you've got to compete with that guy from that other country. You're going to look for something other than hard work. It is, it is human nature. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not the believer of just open it up and let them all cheat that, that I think we would have a lot of deaths on our hands. If we did that, I'm a believer in water. Uh, the world association, I think they do as good a job as they can. They get a little vigilante on, uh, on occasion. But, um, I don't think we're going to control it. I think there's always going to be there at a low level. I know athletes who have said, I will never cheat and they washed out. Right. They, they, they stay average and they look around going at guys know better than me and suddenly he's winning it all. So they've either quit the sport. Uh they've yeah. I, I don't think we'll ever rid ourselves of that temptation. I think it's human, human, human nature. Right,

Speaker 3: 39:19

Right. I appreciate that. So let's look next decade ahead. So where do you think the athletic performance world is heading? Are there some things that you see on the horizon where you're like, Oh, and I think we're going to see this in five to 10 years. Just any, any thoughts along those lines since you're so involved in that, that core aspect?

Speaker 2: 39:38

Well, wow. So this is where technology I think is going to be a huge help heart rate monitor, you know, sleep monitoring. Now being able to actually it's Wednesday, I'm supposed to do intervals, but you wake up in the morning and you look at your sleep evaluation and it says you're only, you know, 20% recovered. You probably ought to wait until Thursday. Yeah. So power meters, um, zoom with the indoor, this, this indoor riding app where you can ride with your buddies around the world and actually join races with world class athletes. Right? Leah Davidson is a friend of mine, longtime client. She's a mountain bike racer, two time Olympic non bike racer, hopefully a third time. If we get to have an Olympics next summer she's been, and of course with COVID, there weren't any races, right? Although the world championships mountain bike and your do start on Monday, but a lot of countries aren't there because they either decided to stay home or couldn't go. Um, anyway, back to Leah, she decided to do Zwicky. She'd never been an indoor rider at all. And she had said to me, the day that she's in the best shape she's ever been in her coach says she's recreated herself as an athlete. And she's competing on Swift in men's races and finishing in the top five top tip. So I think that there's a, there's a motivation to this trend. Uh, the downside is Swift is over-training

Speaker 3: 41:24

Big time and anyone who's been on swept is shaking their head going, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:30

But it's been great for business. Right. It creates a lot of, so yeah. Uh, I think technology, heart rate monitoring, power meters, um, qualified coaches. It's just, it's it's it's I think we're creating, you know, monstrous athletes. The real question is where's the top, right? What are we gonna, when do we stop breaking speed records? I don't know. And I don't know. I, I don't think we're there yet. I mean, can we run an eight second, a hundred meters? I don't know. So the training specificity, right? I mean, so if you're a good coach, you look at this athlete. And so he's got these spectacular glues and you, okay. You know, you, you gotta, you gotta play your play, the hand you're given and you develop those, those glutes to be monsters. So you're suddenly, uh, you know, you're a sprinter, you're what, how, whatever sport you want to, or, you know, you've got these toy digress, quads that look like they're chiseled out of stone. You, you, you play your cards, right. You develop what that athlete has been given and then bring all the other aspects of that athlete up into, uh, up into par with their genetics, man. It, I just think technology, uh, this is one place where I think technology is a winner. I think too much technology in medicine, uh, sports medicine, and not enough technology and in coaching. So how many coaches are out there, right? COVID has created a whole new desire to be coached, be motivated to be led along. So there are a lot of coaching is now a cottage industry. There are thousands of people, you know, writing programs for 10 people. I said, okay, I can supplement my income. I'll take 10 athletes at 50 bucks a month. Suddenly he's got a 500 bucks a month. Boom. And his boost, his income, he's enjoying it. He's getting success. And I go again, I took another left, turn on you.

Speaker 3: 43:37

We love those. Keep them coming. All right. Speaking of left turns, I'm gonna know what your next left turn it. So you've accomplished so much, you've experienced so much in your lifetime. What is next for ducting? Andy Pruitt?

Speaker 2: 43:52

Um, well, I retired from clinic five years ago and what I miss from that are the people, right. Um, I miss helping people, uh, but I don't miss the politics of medicine during my, you know, I also was a product developer, biomechanics biomechanics for specialized bicycles for 20 years of that 40 year career. And I retired in specialized about a year ago, about 11 months ago. And I don't know, I just thought I'm 70 years old. I can't just sit around and twiddle my thumbs. What do I want to do? And actually as a 70 year old athlete, I was experimenting with ways to recover better. And I discovered CBD well, like, like, like there's a bike fit on every corner. And then there's somebody selling CBD. I saw a cardboard sign on the side of 93 on the way to golden over the weekend CBD sale. I'm going to be sure to buy my CD with your peaches and your grapes. Well, actually I'm doing a little consulting with a company called iCore labs in Boulder. It's a startup CBD company that specializes in athletic recovery products. I'm having fun with it. My, my father was a country chiropractor, and I remember back in the fifties and sixties, him at the stove in our kitchen brewing up, sabz for industrial. What? Now we're calling the industrial athletes farmers. And actually it took her to the high school athletes as well, but brewing up these salves and different kinds of things. I'm really kind of back to my roots. I brewed up some sleep formulas at home. And, and, uh, so anyway that I'm just, I am the science and innovation consultant to iCore labs. Um, we've launched a couple of new products with that are in my formula. So it's really exciting. It's different than creating a shoe or a saddle glove. Sure. But it's still creating and it's still helping people and that's, you know, CBD and, you know, everybody thinks it can do everything. If you look online, they will fix your everything. You've got the truth of matter is that CBD really just helps your body be the best it can be. It doesn't make you something you're not, it does help balance all of your other cellular systems. And that's it's well-proven. So, uh, we make our own cannabinoids in our own body, the endocannabinoid system. So we're just supplementing a system that the body already has. So this is quite interesting and quite different. And that, so for me in retirement, I didn't want to continue to, um, things that always done right. Will be stimulated and do something new, but still help people. And I think that's, so that's where I am along. This will keep me interested. You know, you never know. I still riding my bike like crazy, but going bike racing tonight. Um, so been racing bikes for 40 years, it's a habit that's hard to quit, you know,

Speaker 3: 47:10

But it it's interesting timing on this, the CBD, we literally, for those people listening to this just two weeks ago, it went live today. But on this schedule, you'll hear it in two, two weeks prior to this, uh, we had doctor Peter Grinspoon, uh, Harvard, uh, Harvard physician and health, um, wellness coach. Who's been researching CBD for

Speaker 1: 47:30

About 25 years. So it's, it's interesting that you brought it up when we just posted this, this episode on specifically, the whole thing is on CBD. So good luck. Lot to keep track of what's going on. That the very last question, whether you're on Twitter or not, it allows 140 characters about two or three sentences. If you had a chance to tweet out your most important life wisdom to the world in that brief form, no pressure here. What would you say?

Speaker 2: 47:58

I've already said it, the harder you work, the luckier you get. Um, yeah. Uh, I, I live by it. So, um, yeah, that there's two models, right? Right place, right time. You've got no control over that one. You do have control over the harder you work, the luckier you get. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:18

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