From Ballet to Boardrooms - A Conversation with Alisia Grenville

By day, Alisia is a lawyer. By passion, she’s the force behind Maren Designs, a brand that blends fashion, function, and a fearless leap into new territory. But long before she was balancing legal briefs and fabric swatches, we were two kids putting on balcony performances for the neighborhood—learning, in our own way, how to give ourselves permission to be seen.

For this special live audience recording, Alisia joins me to talk about permission—how it starts in childhood, how it evolves, and how it shapes the way we take risks (or don’t) as adults. We dig into her bold career pivot, the lessons of entrepreneurship, and the invisible “rules” we sometimes have to unlearn.

💡 Highlights from our conversation:
✔️ How early creativity sets the stage for lifelong confidence
✔️ Why giving yourself permission is the first step to growth
✔️ The reality of stepping into the unknown—and why it’s worth it
✔️ The support systems that make all the difference

Whether you’re chasing a new dream or just need a nudge to say yes to something exciting, this episode is a reminder: you don’t need anyone’s permission but your own.

Checkout Our Blog called Tune-In for episode recaps and more show notes.

Chapters

• 1:12 Welcome to the Live Recording
• 6:40 A Balcony Vaudeville Childhood
• 13:49 Permission Fluidity and Freedom to Explore
• 23:04 The Art of Letting Go
• 32:51 Entrepreneurship—Bird by Bird
• 48:03 What’s on Your To Live List?
• 51:29 Ask Away with Live Audience

Transcript

Delia (Host) (00:00:00):

All right, so thank you everyone. Welcome to the very first live audience recording of the to Live List podcast. I'm the host of the podcast, Delia Grenville, and my guest this evening is my darling sister. I have another one who's a darling dear sister, and her name is Alisia Dale Grenville at home. We call her Dale. That's her play name at work. Her name is Alisia. [00:00:30] We did a kind of test today with the name Alisia. She goes, are you really going to call me that? I was like, isn't it your name? So she goes, it just sounds funny. I go, well, you don't want the rest of the world to be calling you Dale. What happens if I go viral? Then you'll need to change your name or something. 

(00:00:57):

That would work for you?

Alisia (Guest)

That would work for me. 

So we are glad to have you here. Glad to be able to gather in this space. I want to first say thank you to my friend Alicia. She wasn't able to join today, but a few years ago, Alicia and I met at Nordstrom's, if you would call it random, but nothing in life is random. And we have been friends since over seven years. She lives in a house across the street, and this building used to be her kids' daycare. She's in real estate, and she had a vision for the building. Well, she brought me into it that day, and I just thought, what is [00:01:30] she talking about? Old boards or rotting wood, whatever. But she had a vision and she's made this beautiful venue here, connected spaces, and I thought it would be perfect for our audience size to have us gather here.

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So very glad that everyone's can be here. So this is season two of the podcast. I have recorded three of the episodes so far. This is most likely going to be episode four when it releases. There's a few other people that I will record and interview [00:02:00] remotely. And then this time in the previous season, I released the podcast week after week, which I still think I'm going to do, but I was releasing and recording this time. I'm going to record it all and then release it week by week. You start to learn how the whole podcast thing's going to rule your life and what choices you would have to make otherwise. So in season two of the podcast, we are talking about permission and [00:02:30] permission fluidity. Most of us here, I think all of us are in the category of Gen X, except for maybe this millennial, maybe this genzer, maybe this gen alpha.

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I don't know. But most of us are in Gen X or millennial or boomer, and our lives and our relationship with permission is so much different than what the world is require [00:03:00] permission going forward. So in episode one, season two, episode one, you can get a steep pre. I talked to Leah Nagley Robbins, and we got into this conversation about permission and this term that I have called permission fluidity because I think many of us grew up in a very black and white world, right? Yes. No. If you do know, and they said, and it was you do know, and it was supposed to be yes, you understood [00:03:30] the consequences, and it wasn't really positive reinforcement. It was the other kind that helped you to know that you won't do that again. But our internal voices need to be different to move forward. So Alicia has been given that theme, and we'll talk a little bit about that some, about whatever people talk about

Alisia (Guest) (00:03:47):

Working outside of your comfort zone and pushing boundaries and giving yourself the permission to actually say yes, and knowing that it may come with consequences, but [00:04:00] you're willing. Do you want to

Delia (Host) (00:04:01):

Stand up for a second

Alisia (Guest) (00:04:02):

Up? I don't know why I would stand

Delia (Host) (00:04:04):

Up for a second. See, she's not as tall as she looks sitting. I just want everyone to know that, that she's not as tall as she looks sitting. And we actually had to organize the chairs, right? There was this, I was sitting on that chair, and then I just looked,

Alisia (Guest) (00:04:19):

I'm like on a high chair.

Delia (Host) (00:04:20):

So we put her on the high chair, on the lower chair to make it all work out. So it's been quite a little bit of an adventure getting everything set up. [00:04:30] It's

Alisia (Guest) (00:04:30):

Make your own adventure sort of scenario. So

Delia (Host) (00:04:33):

If you listen to podcasts, we're always recording. We've been recording this whole time, and we'll go ahead and get started. And when do podcasts start? Pretty much when the guest starts talking. So Alicia,

Alisia (Guest) (00:04:45):

Yes.

Delia (Host) (00:04:46):

I hope you're going to be able to get used to that.

Alisia (Guest) (00:04:49):

Well, coming from you is a little weird. It's like weirdly, but I can basically handle it just like I'm trying to handle this high chair that you put me on. It's all good. It's all good. [00:05:00] I'm giving myself permission to say, okay, you can sit at a high chair. I won't say my age, but it's all good. It's all good.

Delia (Host) (00:05:07):

Yeah. So one of the things that I wanted to talk about was kind of the genesis of the idea to record the podcast live. I had a really strong memory when we decided to do this.

Alisia (Guest) (00:05:21):

Okay. I don't have that strong memory. Usually you're calling me and I'm late at night. My hair is up like this, and she's like, oh, you're in your bed. [00:05:30] I'm like, yeah, I am. I have very, very faint memories of when, you may have said that to me, but go ahead, remind me.

Delia (Host) (00:05:38):

Well, when we were young, it was your memory. Oh God. You had to go by. I thought you met last week.

Alisia (Guest) (00:05:45):

Oh boy. Okay.

Delia (Host) (00:05:46):

Yeah. I've been going down a few decades in the time of celebr Blue Timing, right? When we were young, one of the things that we loved to do was put on shows on the balcony,

Alisia (Guest) (00:05:56):

And we would record with our tape recorder. We didn't

Delia (Host) (00:05:59):

Even have a tape recorder [00:06:00] at the beginning

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:00):

Before Yeah, I know. But we did get the tape recorder in 19, I won't say when.

Delia (Host) (00:06:05):

Yeah, 19.

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:07):

19. What you've

Delia (Host) (00:06:08):

Already said. Tape record. So is going

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:11):

Away.

Delia (Host) (00:06:11):

Exactly. You just said recording. Yeah,

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:13):

Exactly. Microphone. Microphone.

Delia (Host) (00:06:17):

So one of the things that we love to do was put on performances. Absolutely.

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:21):

On the balcony. On the balcony, we charged 25 cents. 25 cents.

Delia (Host) (00:06:25):

Yeah. Yes. With refreshments.

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:27):

Yeah, absolutely. And things that we baked [00:06:30] up or burnt up,

Delia (Host) (00:06:32):

Either or sometimes when they're easy bake oven. Absolutely. We've had an easy bake oven. If you've ever seen, raise your

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:37):

Hand. If you

Delia (Host) (00:06:37):

Had, you did not even legally have,

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:38):

Girl. You did not have an easy bake oven. You don't even know what that means.

Delia (Host) (00:06:46):

So we would bake things and we would put on the show and the balcony. And we had many acts in the show. Yes, we did. And we did dance routines. Absolutely.

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:54):

Choreographies,

Delia (Host) (00:06:56):

Sometimes

Alisia (Guest) (00:06:56):

Jazz choreography, jazz, ballet, jazz dance. [00:07:00] It wasn't called that. We didn't know what it was called at the time, but Sylvie was teaching it. And when we took the first jazz classes and we had our slinky outfits, and Yeah, you don't remember that. You were not part of that. Okay.

Delia (Host) (00:07:13):

I was like, wait, what? I was more like, I know mom used to call it, there's something, our parents are from Guyana, which is considered part of the Caribbean in terms of the economy, but it is actually part of South America [00:07:30] and the only English speaking part of South America. But there's a weird thing in the Caribbean where if you know how to spell a word, you sort of pronounce every letter. So sword. You say sword for the people who don't know how to spell. And so she would say, I would say that we kind of did a vati

Alisia (Guest) (00:07:47):

Show. We did the vaudeville show. Exactly.

Delia (Host) (00:07:49):

Was,

Alisia (Guest) (00:07:50):

And she was not happy with vaudeville. Weren't supposed to. Girls were not supposed to do vaudeville acts. You weren't supposed to do what? Vaudeville act, but we did it anyway. [00:08:00] So

Delia (Host) (00:08:01):

Interesting to me. Her permission thing about us doing the vaudeville acts didn't even register with me. Oh, yeah. No. Does she had problem with

Alisia (Guest) (00:08:09):

It? She had problems with it. Oh, interest. Yeah, exactly. She talked about that. Yeah, yeah,

Delia (Host) (00:08:15):

Yeah. No, that didn't right over my head. So I think that's one of the things, right? Oftentimes when you're in a family, you think you're having the same experience as your sibling. Yeah, exactly. Right. And she thinks My mother cared about body.

Alisia (Guest) (00:08:29):

Oh [00:08:30] yeah. She cared about, oh my God, that was, she

Delia (Host) (00:08:33):

Cared about it because you used to wear nail

Alisia (Guest) (00:08:35):

Polish. Well, she couldn't stand that either. I was not given permission to wear nail polish because she thought that by wearing the nails polish, I'd become a secretary, and that would be forbidden. No, I think she was

Delia (Host) (00:08:48):

Okay about being a secretary.

Alisia (Guest) (00:08:49):

No, she wasn't. I

Delia (Host) (00:08:50):

Think that she used to think you would become a street walker. I don't think. Well, that too, the

Alisia (Guest) (00:08:56):

Secretary morphed into, oh my God, she's going to be a prostitute. [00:09:00] She's wearing the nail polish and she doesn't like mathematics. So there's no hope for this girl.

Delia (Host) (00:09:08):

Yeah, absolutely. She didn't have a problem with the secretary. She made me take touch typing because she was very concerned that I at least had a very, she wanted to make sure that if I couldn't be a had a skill, I had a skill. And she

Alisia (Guest) (00:09:19):

Would tell me, no. The reason why you don't understand the nail polish was that I was growing my nails. So there would be no way that I could really be a good secretary if I had the long nails and the nail [00:09:30] polish on top of it. Yeah,

Delia (Host) (00:09:31):

I'm pretty sure the was electric. It was a whole VA bill thing. The nail polish and the pro prostitution. But what

Alisia (Guest) (00:09:40):

If we have to go there? Why not? Because this is exactly the fear.

Delia (Host) (00:09:44):

But in my case though, she was okay with the secretary, which she told me on the way to school in my uniform and everything is, you may not be able to get a job doing anything else, but if you're a good executive secretary for the ceo,

Alisia (Guest) (00:09:59):

You you'll able to. And we have [00:10:00] nothing against secretaries. No. I just want to make sure that that's out there in the world that I love all of my secretaries virtually, and the ones that have worked for me over the years who have saved my life umpteen times.

Delia (Host) (00:10:12):

No, they run the business.

Alisia (Guest) (00:10:13):

Let's honest. And then I became an executive secretary to the board. So there's no other secretary to me that ranks higher.

Delia (Host) (00:10:21):

I was going to get there,

Alisia (Guest) (00:10:22):

But it's okay. I've already let it out. Sounds good.

Delia (Host) (00:10:25):

Yeah. So that whole sort of arc [00:10:30] of one child may see something and another child has a completely different experience. And apparently, well, my mother was a business woman, so I started to learn, quite honestly, I started to learn quite early that maybe the things she told you were a narrative anyway, because she was very accustomed to telling the CEO that the GL is right. And then telling her staff, fix that. Fix the gl. So she kind of ran her house like [00:11:00] that. We were in different divisions and we got different kinds of messaging, right? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So I have no doubt you got vaudeville and I got an executive secretary is also an option

Alisia (Guest) (00:11:15):

For you. It's a very noble, noble thing.

Delia (Host) (00:11:17):

Not only is it a noble job, but at least you will have a job. Exactly.

Alisia (Guest) (00:11:23):

Which of course, she was always afraid I may not have because I didn't like my mathematics, so then I was [00:11:30] in big trouble.

Delia (Host) (00:11:31):

That part is real. That part is real. Exactly. And I think one of the harder things as you're growing up, let's go back to dial it back to putting on these performances. So we would put on these performances very similar setup to this, but in the front yard with lawn chairs and stage acts, we charge the money, do door to door marketing because we knock [00:12:00] on other kids' doors and tell them

Alisia (Guest) (00:12:02):

That we're come to our house now we're putting on a plate, we're

Delia (Host) (00:12:04):

Putting on the show. And we would put on the show and they

Alisia (Guest) (00:12:09):

Would come. That's amazing thing. They actually can Absolutely. I love that part. And

Delia (Host) (00:12:13):

I think that also was the amazing thing is we didn't think it was unusual to do that kind of

Alisia (Guest) (00:12:19):

Performance. No, absolutely not. Yeah. Because we were crazy. But that's a whole different narrative. But we were the only ones who thought that was normal. Yes.

Delia (Host) (00:12:29):

I think our [00:12:30] neighbors who did it with us also thought it

Alisia (Guest) (00:12:32):

Was normal. They had no choice. We made them do it with us. You are forgetting a lot of this narrative.

Delia (Host) (00:12:38):

No, I think one of the things I also thought as we go through this kind of thing is it is about support. It is about what people will allow you to experience in this human world with them. And so you kind of have to give yourself the permission [00:13:00] to sort of explore who do I want to be? But it doesn't happen without other people interacting with you and allowing you to have that experience,

Alisia (Guest) (00:13:09):

That interconnectedness. You know what I mean? That being that you need to draw people in. And even though you might not be of the same culture, in our case, we had friends who were French speaking, Portuguese, Asian, but that didn't matter because this was all [00:13:30] about the interconnectivity of kids just being together. And in our case, yes, maybe telling them to come see a show, but sometimes it was just going to the park. Sometimes it was going to the store. Everybody was just in that community and in that interconnectivity.

Delia (Host) (00:13:50):

And I think one of the things that we see now is, and I hate to bring up this language, but we're all here. We're supposed to be in this very divisive [00:14:00] country. I hate this word of

Alisia (Guest) (00:14:01):

Divisive. I don't

Delia (Host) (00:14:02):

Like it. I don't like it. And I also don't like the idea that everyone that we're sort of split in two. Because in reality, we're all in our own worlds. We're all having our own individual experience. And so what is, it's going to help us to give ourselves that same permission that we had when we were young to sort of say, let's put on a show today, even though it's Friday, and mom [00:14:30] and dad are probably tired, I worked all week. They're going to come home and they're going to have to 12 people in their front yard as we put on a show and give yourself the permission to do that. But I thought three weeks ago we kind of came up with the same idea. We really haven't changed that much

Alisia (Guest) (00:14:44):

Three weeks ago. That's true.

Delia (Host) (00:14:46):

Yeah. Come on my podcast. And I'm like, oh, why should we do it in the family room?

Alisia (Guest) (00:14:51):

True. Put together a space and do something. Yeah, we rolled with it. Indeed. There's not a lot of [00:15:00] forethought in our family about things. Somebody gets an idea, then you just say, oh, yeah, okay, that can work. And we figure it out as we go along and hope that it actually comes to permission. Usually it does. But yeah, it's very difficult for me sometimes in my other world where a lot of things have to go click, click, click, click, click. So I do enjoy being able to just have it sort [00:15:30] of flow in this fluidity that you're talking about the ville fluidity.

Delia (Host) (00:15:36):

And do you think that you chose a world that was more click, click, click, because you feel that the world that you were in was unpredictably fluid, your experience? I like it.

Alisia (Guest) (00:15:48):

I mean, when you say it like that, it makes it sound like I'm cold and calculating. I

Delia (Host) (00:15:52):

Need to figure out a way

Alisia (Guest) (00:15:54):

To find, I don't have that sort of breadth of in depth of perception [00:16:00] to per se. That I don't know. Probably. I mean, why not? I mean, it's the sort of, you play to your strengths, but what are my weaknesses? And maybe sometimes the universe drags in a few weaknesses for you to sort of figure out, but I'm actually a very much click, click, click. It's just I don't let people know that I'm click what I mean. But I, I do see a lot of that. I have my, [00:16:30] I'll take for example, today when Kevin came downstairs and saw me folding your laundry, and he's like, Dale, so he calls me Dale, of course. Oh, you don't have to do that. And I said, I have a rule. So whoever takes out the stuff out of the dryer, fold the laundry so that the other person, so as much as I'm not tic-tac tac, it's somehow I've become a little bit more that way. There's some order in my [00:17:00] madness method to it.

Delia (Host) (00:17:01):

I have another rule about the laundry, which is

Alisia (Guest) (00:17:06):

Never go there.

(00:17:09):

That's what I've noticed. Because I would say Kevin and I have met in the laundry room a couple times since I've been here and see this rule that the laundry rule that I have only works because my mother-in-law, and I, when she's in my laundry room, it works for us because nobody else in our family actually go, my kids never [00:17:30] go in the laundry room. We have a laundry shoot. So the laundry just sort of falls down and then magically goes back up to their rooms, all folded, pressed and in a basket. So why the rule works is because it's my mother-in-law and me,

Delia (Host) (00:17:44):

You're always going in the laundry room. You would

Alisia (Guest) (00:17:46):

Be surprised. I digress.

Delia (Host) (00:17:47):

I do go to the laundry room regularly and I push the basket back so that visually you can't see a little design flaw in the laundry room. So I have a precise place where the basket has [00:18:00] to be. So when you're walking across, it doesn't visually a front you. If you're into design, you'll know what I mean. I'm like, I do not want to see that plug there, but I cannot relocate it like a thousand dollars. So that basket, it has to be perfectly in the place. Then I notice how many of the towels are left folded. I usually fold the towels when I take them out. But it's not my job to take the towels up into the linen closet. Somebody else has that job. So when we run out. So you

Alisia (Guest) (00:18:28):

Haven't given yourself [00:18:30] permission to take them up? No.

Delia (Host) (00:18:32):

Is what you're saying. The other way is I've given myself permission to allow them to stay there. I allow them to stay there. Eventually we will run out of towels, at least someone who might need a towel might run out of towel that never happens in my house. And then when they run out of the towels, then they will remember that they're in the laundry basket and they will bring them upstairs. So I allow them to accumulate. You brought them all upstairs, which is perfectly [00:19:00] fine, but you also just interrupted someone's job. And that took a very long time to be able to do that. That wasn't easy. That's a lot of discipline to watch the towels not move. Pile up. Yes. Not move pile up there. Right. You're like, isn't anyone going to move this? But it cannot be. And I want to share the story with you.

(00:19:24):

When I was in graduate school, yes, animals always got trapped in the buildings. Little birds. [00:19:30] Little birds, cats. And I would be late for class or late for my assistant chair because the little bird, and I had to call the fire code and the control and the security, I thought I had to call them. And then my admin of my department where I had my job said You had to call them. I go, yes, the part needed to be rescued. And it was that time where I went, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Everybody [00:20:00] else who lived in the building saw that bird. They didn't call anybody. They weren't late for class. They didn't want, they just said, that's not their problem. And they gave theirselves the permission and move on with the rest of their lives. And however, that little cat or birdie got out. That was great. So hence I have applied that to the laundry. And now

Alisia (Guest) (00:20:25):

There are many, many birds waiting for you up in heaven who are going to pick at [00:20:30] you and say, you didn't didn't rescue me. So it's up to you. You can choose your consequence. I'm just saying I would do differently, but

Delia (Host) (00:20:41):

Okay, heavenly birds.

Alisia (Guest) (00:20:42):

Heavenly birds. Yeah. Tweet, tweet, tweet.

Delia (Host) (00:20:46):

Okay. Rock and robin. Yeah. Yeah. But there is a discipline to allowing things to be, even if you want it to be a certain kind of way. I mean, there is an experience within the collective [00:21:00] that sometimes requires that we don't step in order for everyone to have the opportunity to grow. Now. I think there was, at least I believe that we were at a good count of about 22 to 26 towels. I mean, it was going to start getting desperate. I think I

Alisia (Guest) (00:21:23):

Saw that this morning. That's why I put them in a basket and I said, you know what? These are going whoop upstairs with me.

Delia (Host) (00:21:29):

I know. I [00:21:30] allow them to accumulate. Yeah, there you go. So there you go. Very good. How does that make you feel? Permission wise?

Alisia (Guest) (00:21:39):

It hasn't moved me. I'm good. I'm good.

Delia (Host) (00:21:42):

You're good. But do you do that? Do you apply that kind of process or practice anywhere else in life? I mean, maybe the laundry just gets on your nerves, but I want to know, is there anywhere else that you would apply that practice?

Alisia (Guest) (00:21:52):

Oh, I mean, okay. Joking aside, and all of this banter is really gr will speak. But yes, I do [00:22:00] apply it. And of course it takes a lot of restraint to say, I'm not going to be that person who's going to do that. You know what I mean? I'm not going to allow myself to take away somebody else's learning experience because that's exactly what I think sometimes that I'm doing. You know what I mean? That person needs to get that lesson. And if I keep going and intervening, then that lesson can't be learned. It's also hard for me to be able to sit there and watch [00:22:30] depending on who they are, and especially if the closer they are to you, of course. So it's your family, it's your kids, whatever. The harder it is to have that distance and to give yourself that space to say, allow them to fail or allow them to make that a mistake. Make that mistake. Allow them to discover and have their own experience. But you've got to do it. Yeah. It's not something that comes naturally to me. My helicopter mom [00:23:00] issues, she's looking like if she's never heard that, oh me. No, no, no.

Delia (Host) (00:23:09):

Never observed it.

Alisia (Guest) (00:23:10):

You've never heard. But yeah, so that's definitely something that I've had to learn over the years.

Delia (Host) (00:23:21):

How about in business? Do you feel like you can?

Alisia (Guest) (00:23:24):

Yeah, definitely. In business, I've tried [00:23:30] not to be all controlling, which has been one of my life lessons as a mistake. Because the one thing I have learned is that you need to own your brand narrative. You can't think that somebody knows your brand better than you and is going to work on your brand or work for your brand with the same tenacity and mindset and care and compassion that you have. [00:24:00] That's what they tell you when they show you their proposal and how much money they're going to charge you. Oh, absolutely. But at the end of the day, it's a transaction for them and it's something more than not for you. So although, yeah, they may care, and I'm using uplifted commas when I say that, but their caring is to get the work done to a certain capacity, certain degree on time, but it's not [00:24:30] the look and feel and that whatever nuance that you're looking for, that's not always part of the bargain, part of the proposal.

(00:24:39):

So I've learned that the hard way on a monetary level as well. You pay, you pay, you pay. And then sometimes it's not always reciprocal what you're getting back for what you've put down. And I've learned to give myself permission to say, you know what? You've done a crappy job and I'm not [00:25:00] going to pay, or I'm going to withhold. I mean, I always pay, but I mean, you know what I mean? But before I was sort of afraid of the people I was partnering with because I always thought everybody knew more than I did about business. They've been in this for a while. What do I know about social media or marketing or branding and whatnot. So I sort of held back and became hostage to what I thought was their knowledge and to the fact that I thought that they were really going to help me move forward and not realizing that they don't know [00:25:30] anything more than I do.

(00:25:32):

They have a skill of course, but you need to be able to horn that skill in with them and figure out what works best. And it's sort of putting together those cute little rub, sorry. Yeah, about the rub. You know those cute little monkeys that came in jars and you, the two pieces, you just need to click clack them to get 'em back to click cling and clacking. Everything's got to click clack, and [00:26:00] you've got to make it work. And sometimes you got to turn it a little bit to actually get it into place. It's not just going to automatically fall into place by some magnetic fours and it's going to worse.

Delia (Host) (00:26:13):

I think that's true. It's really hard to give negative feedback to give yourself the permission to give negative feedback. I think it gets challenging. I think it's challenging too.

Alisia (Guest) (00:26:25):

I think it's kind of challenging for women as well to do that because [00:26:30] we are always supposed to be the supportive ones. And I grew up with, I had Ms. Rasnick off, right? And you had Mr. Asante. No, Deidre had Mrs. Sote. Great. I think your grade one teacher really sort of gives you the mold for how you're going to communicate. Put it this way, my communication style is very Ms. Rasnick. Oh, oh my God, you're

Delia (Host) (00:26:58):

Gorgeous today,

Alisia (Guest) (00:26:59):

Dale. [00:27:00] Oh, and she'd say it to everybody. It's not only to me, but we always start off with something nice before we say, now come over here and take a look at your math and see where you got. You are

Delia (Host) (00:27:14):

Really, really on that math. I'm triggered

Alisia (Guest) (00:27:20):

By the math. I'm

Delia (Host) (00:27:21):

Still triggered by the

Alisia (Guest) (00:27:22):

Math. But anyway, you know what I'm saying. So I've always tried to use the sweetener as [00:27:30] the opener and then tried to get to the part where it's a little more difficult to be able to say to somebody, I don't like this, or This doesn't go with what I'm looking for. How are we going to turn this around? So yeah,

Delia (Host) (00:27:49):

My grade one teacher whose name I don't remember, but I did find the picture the other day. Not

Alisia (Guest) (00:27:53):

Mr. Ante.

Delia (Host) (00:27:54):

No, it is not Ms. Ante. But I did find that picture the other day, and I remember that [00:28:00] I was so excited to give an answer to a question that I always said, mom, mom. And I was like, for sure. I was like, wrong Delia, that was not good. Everyone's going to laugh at you. And she said, I'll always remember that it was a game changer in terms of turning things around. She said, oh, I just wish I were your mother or I would love to have you for a daughter. So that I went from feeling like about six inches small to Yes, [00:28:30] there you go. And I just restarted the conversation from there. So grade one teachers are also our first grade teachers as they stay here in

Alisia (Guest) (00:28:38):

America. I think they give you permission if we're going to go back to that theme to be who you are. They really see you in that most innocent stage of your life and they really open that gateway of how you're going to be. And like I said, in my case, the communication style, there were so many other things about Ms. Ra, it was [00:29:00] only the communication style, but she was very expressive and she gave us the permission to be expressive as five-year-olds and six year olds. And although we had order, but it was expression and order together, that was really amazing.

Delia (Host) (00:29:17):

My husband always says that they're the best people at running the military. They basically take people from who have no rules and they deliver them. They deliver them to the next teacher's [00:29:30] rules and order following. And you never saw where they came from in the wild. And then they're systemized for the rest life. They're the ones who do that turnkey operation and it's a certain kind of person who can run that shop. Absolutely. Yeah. So really back to this feeling of we speak to people how we are, what makes us comfortable and speaking to people. [00:30:00] Talk a little bit about your experience with your clothing line and getting your designs and everything moved forward.

Alisia (Guest) (00:30:14):

Maren designs the story of Maren and how Maren was born. But all of the projects I've touched recently, I don't come from an industry or I don't come from the industry. So I'm usually just grasping [00:30:30] at straws and learning and trying to find the right people who can help or support or whatnot. And that means that you are vulnerable because you don't know if who you're speaking to is actually the right person and the information that they're giving you is actually going to serve you and not so much you but the project move it forward. I can only [00:31:00] say that in the case of Marin, that I was very blessed that every time I needed something or someone, they appeared and we were able to move Marin from an idea, a thought onto something that is actually real and manufactured and all of that sort of stuff. Now we've gone through so many ups and flows with Marin because the retail has gone through ups and ups and flows as well. So [00:31:30] it's not just my product or whatnot, but building a brand is not easy and it don't come cheap. And that's one of the things I'm learning for sure. I wish I had the deep pockets of two or three or 4 million because that's what they're telling you it takes to actually start a brand. But I can just take some of those zeros off

Delia (Host) (00:31:54):

And

Alisia (Guest) (00:31:54):

Tell you why it's slow and steady wins the race in this brand [00:32:00] building experience. And

Delia (Host) (00:32:01):

I think a lot of our listeners too will be in the same situation. They will be in the place where they're not going to have an angel fund that's going to dump 3 million on them and say, go to it. You can make your brand. A lot of folks that we see that are creating their own brand

Alisia (Guest) (00:32:21):

Bird by Bird, yeah, it's step by step by step.

Delia (Host) (00:32:24):

And they just have to, their vision, they have a year over year roadmap. They're moving [00:32:30] themselves forward bit by bit, and they have to keep going. And it's like they pay the bills this month. A lot of bootstrapping is what's happening. They pay the bills this month, therefore they can pay the bills next month and they take their time to pay their lawyers and get their IP and all of the

Alisia (Guest) (00:32:49):

Things that they do. Exactly. It's really a step-by-step process. But what is really interesting, for example, when you read books like Nike or

(00:33:00):

[00:33:00] Yeah, no Shoe Dog, but I love reading those books because it gives me a sense of security that okay, it will hopefully work out. But they started just the same way Nike had one color shoe. I remember it because they could only produce white because they couldn't produce three colorways. Same thing with Marin Designs. We wouldn't have loved to have splashed all over my website. We've got 26 colors and then [00:33:30] yeah, we've got three colorways. That's what we've got because you've got to buy the color and then you have to buy a minimum quantity, et cetera and so forth. And there's only so much the budget is going to allow for. But you start, that's the whole point is that you actually start and then you continue and you pray, you pitch and pray a lot. But the point is that you start and you give [00:34:00] yourself the permission to make a mistake. I mean that's okay too. You know what I mean? So not everything works out exactly the way you may have envisioned, but you permit yourself to say, okay, this didn't go right. What have I learned from it? What are the takeaways? How do I move forward?

Delia (Host) (00:34:22):

What happens when your spouse or partner doesn't log with you? I mean, because you've got two, our audience may or may not know, but [00:34:30] you actually have two entrepreneur family, so he's running his own business, you're running your own business. I'm a dabbler in a lot of business, the creative kinds of things. I get my little carve out from the pot for what I'm going to do there and how to move things forward. And I think a lot of families are in similar positions. You've got someone who's an artist who is trying to move their art forward. You have [00:35:00] someone who's a writer, someone who

Alisia (Guest) (00:35:02):

Inventor. Absolutely.

Delia (Host) (00:35:05):

So what's that from a partnership perspective, from your point of view, any advice, any experiences you want to share that week? Remember that this is recorded. I was say, I was like,

Alisia (Guest) (00:35:21):

Oh, you could

Delia (Host) (00:35:22):

Be played

Alisia (Guest) (00:35:22):

Back on a later day. I was like,

(00:35:26):

Okay, I am going to be frank. I [00:35:30] mean it's hard. It's tough because of course the conventional way is the safe way and who doesn't safe? So it can be rough on a relationship. And I think you have to always understand, I've always had to put myself in his shoes and think, okay, what if I were [00:36:00] doing this? But I said, wait a minute, I'm actually in his shoes because he was me 20 years ago when he started his company. And I mean the company didn't make money for nearly eight years. I just think that you really have to have a strong bond, a strong foundation as a couple because you don't necessarily see the way, [00:36:30] and you also don't sometimes understand what is driving that person's passion. You know what I mean? For me, the passion is all in the creativity. And I have a vision that's 30,000 feet from the ground. His vision is let's just start here. Let's start five feet and let's just keep growing, right? Let's not just jump to 30,000 feet. I'm

Delia (Host) (00:36:56):

Already like

Alisia (Guest) (00:36:57):

You and I'm more big brand [00:37:00] and entrepreneur. He's like solopreneur, solopreneur. So he's on more, let's grow from a smaller scale where I've already, I'm already thinking entertainment tonight. Yes.

Delia (Host) (00:37:14):

Your interview on a live podcast. Absolutely.

Alisia (Guest) (00:37:17):

Absolutely. So it's just trying to balance everyone's expectations and that can be challenging for sure.

Delia (Host) (00:37:27):

So if you were to speak to young [00:37:30] people, I know you had a couple of young people intern for you.

Alisia (Guest) (00:37:33):

Absolutely. Yeah. Two summers ago I guess. Yeah.

Delia (Host) (00:37:37):

What would you tell them about moving forward and in the vision of what you see the way the world is going right now? So on the professional, even on their education, anything you'd like to talk about from your experience?

Alisia (Guest) (00:37:56):

I'll start with the last point where you said on education. I think [00:38:00] that is critical where they are right now. I really do think that people should study what gives them, what's their iki guy, what are you here for? So once you know your why, then you can work on the how. And if you can figure that out, the sooner the better. Then work on that. We were talking about our upbringing and how [00:38:30] we weren't given the permission to do those things. And I think a lot of us, I was allowed

Delia (Host) (00:38:36):

To be anything I wanted

Alisia (Guest) (00:38:38):

As long as it was to be an engineer.

Delia (Host) (00:38:45):

And

Alisia (Guest) (00:38:45):

I was supposed to be a doctor until the nails got in the way and I didn't like blood. So that was a hard sell when, because mom always said, I hear them calling you Dr. Dale Granville, come to the board, doctor. I'm like, lady, [00:39:00] I can't even stand the side of that. So that would be working for me. But the point is, you've got a long runway because your generation, and I'm pointing to this PD in here in the audience, people are going to work till you're 120. So that means you don't have to pick a career at 25. Just

Delia (Host) (00:39:22):

Take your time. Just

Alisia (Guest) (00:39:24):

Do something that gives you some so fulfilling purpose [00:39:30] knowing that you are going to work until you die. Okay? Because there'll be nothing in the kitty. I'm so inspirational right now.

(00:39:41):

No, I'm just saying that people are living longer and there is a runway in front of you and you don't have to get everything done before you're 30. I don't know where that myth comes from, but it's just a nonsense. Take your time, figure out who you are, figure out what makes sense for [00:40:00] you, figure out what you're good at. And this whole thing about, I got to strengthen my weaknesses. Oh good god, no. Work on your strengths. Focus on your strengths. Do what propels you forward, your weaknesses. Let them stay where they are and you focus on the strengths.

Delia (Host) (00:40:20):

Someone else on the team can help pick those up unless you want to. I absolutely, I guess. And I think too, right, we always read those stories [00:40:30] of these mega moguls and who it seems like they lived here, then they ran into this person, then they had the good luck of doing some foreign adventure, and then all of those things fit together to create this new industry or multi-billion dollar opportunity that they have. But I think sometimes we don't look at our own lives that way. [00:41:00] And not everything has to be to the same scale. Exactly. But obviously when you look at your own life, you start to see that there are threads, there were little opportunities of places where you were put exactly in the right place to do exactly the right thing in a way that only you could deliver it. And we don't, that's why I'm talking a lot about this permission thing.

(00:41:26):

This permission fluidity is we've been taught, I think [00:41:30] in the industrial age where everything was scale, scale, scale. First you make a car, then you're Ford, then you make many cars, then you don't need people. They're not really people. They're resources making more and more cars and more things. And so we were taught for a hundred years this narrative of scale, scale, scale, scale. And we forget to look at more of the mystical and more of the magical and more of the purpose driven the thing that I [00:42:00] could do, the thing that I bring that is special, the way my skills combined, I mean companies are talking about it now, but not really here to tout any particular company. It's more to say that podcast is called to live list. And it's really about what do you need to live, what needs to be on your live list? And I think it's this kind of this vision or understanding that we are all having these magical lives. Just because you're not [00:42:30] on the Forbes magazine talking about it doesn't mean that it isn't

Alisia (Guest) (00:42:33):

Happening. Agreed, agreed. So back to what you were saying for the young people. So I would say your education, get one, don't not get one. But know that you can expand the horizon of, and what that means for you. It may not be university, it may not be exploit, it may be a combination of things. And that's okay. That can work. [00:43:00] The new work is going to be, I think it's great. I love the fact that this post pandemic has broken down the model, the industrial model of everyone. Like ants going to the office at nine and coming home at five, or maybe it's nine to nine because they expect you to be there and all day, I dunno why they haven't made hotels in the offices and told you not to go home until Friday. [00:43:30] But I'm so happy that that is now being torn to shreds because for the last two and a half years people have, companies have seen their productivity double, triple, and the people were working from wherever. And so why do you need the office? Why do you need this structure? Why do we need and Delia and Melanie to come in? Why it doesn't make sense. They can work for from wherever [00:44:00] they are. So I think that the new generation, because they don't like to follow rules, at least the rules that I've set in my house, nobody follows them.

Delia (Host) (00:44:12):

That's because you keep going and folding the towels if you just leave them. Exactly.

Alisia (Guest) (00:44:19):

Somebody that's true. Touche. But because they have another sense of permission because our generation has given it to them. [00:44:30] Talk about children who are just so confident about everything. I mean, they thought we were confident, but they don't understand. I mean, this is a whole different level and rightly so because they're so informed and they're so allowed to express themselves the way we weren't. And so they're not structured enough to be in that structured environment and they refuse to be in that [00:45:00] structured environment. So I am just so elated to know that that model is being reconsidered, but not by all industry, but by the majority. And I think that the new generation is going to really flex that forward.

Delia (Host) (00:45:21):

I wanted to ask you a couple things. Yeah. You have some time to think. What's on your to live list?

Alisia (Guest) (00:45:27):

Oh gosh. [00:45:30] Besides winning the lottery, I don't know what number I am on that to lottery list win list. No, when you just, I'm a lawyer. So can you rephrase that question for me please?

Delia (Host) (00:45:51):

Well, I mean we have the to-do list, right? So the things we have to get done in the day, not other people's laundry should leave there. It's [00:46:00] on somebody else's to-do list, leave that alone. And then we have the bucket list, right? The things that we are get done before it die, get done. But then you die. So after the bucket list,

Alisia (Guest) (00:46:09):

No, you never die. What? You never die.

Delia (Host) (00:46:11):

The bucket list, you get it done. And then,

Alisia (Guest) (00:46:13):

But you said I die. I do not die.

Delia (Host) (00:46:16):

Okay. Okay. I'll just leave that alone. And in the Buddhism and then the

Alisia (Guest) (00:46:22):

Other energy transforms.

Delia (Host) (00:46:25):

But you do not appear on earth as you are in the figure. No, as I'm in this [00:46:30] form. So technically they call that in some languages dying, but we won't go there. We'll call it that. We won't call that. But yeah, whatever it is, it is not the way we're experiencing it right now. So you get the bucket list and then that happens. And so then what are you doing and what do you have on your list to live? Yes.

Alisia (Guest) (00:46:51):

Okay. Yeah, no. Does that

Delia (Host) (00:46:52):

Help the legal part of you? Does that help the legal part?

Alisia (Guest) (00:46:55):

Yes. That helps me break that down to give you yes, absolutely no the to [00:47:00] live list. And I love that. I remember when you told me and you gave me the name of your business, the brand, and I thought, gosh, I never thought of a to live list. You know what I mean? So I have to commend you on that because that's really, that's really, it is a really smart and catchy and it really does make you think to live less for me, what's on my to live list and I Tango.

Delia (Host) (00:47:29):

Tango,

Alisia (Guest) (00:47:30):

[00:47:30] Yes. I will learn to tango. That's on my to live list because dance is what inspires me to be more creative and to be who I love being what I dance. And tango is one of those dances that I haven't learned yet in the whole dancing Latin dances and that. And I kid you not, I have list. I haven't called it to live list. It's called Theia [00:48:00] List. Okay. I will now put a little second conflict come on. And I will put to live Alicia's to live less. It has tango written on it because I think that you have to take something from within. I've always loved dance since I was a kid, as you know. And ballet has always been a part of my life. And then I stopped when I was having Marin, [00:48:30] basically it was the last time actually ballets ballet up until six months into the pregnancy that I figured that when I threw myself on the floor to do that jazz move, that maybe probably not the best idea. Maybe I should probably sit out at the rest of the term and have the baby have her be born with one head together and not split in two. But I do miss that. So I have tango on my two Ely Alicia's two live list [00:49:00] because I think that will make me a better, whoever it is that I am. I'm not dead yet. So the energy still, I'm never going to die.

Delia (Host) (00:49:14):

But that will keep your

Alisia (Guest) (00:49:15):

Energy, that will keep me flowing if Crossman doesn't kill me before, but either one. Oh,

Delia (Host) (00:49:21):

CrossFit's on your to-do

Alisia (Guest) (00:49:22):

List. It is on my to live list because I Oh, is it really

Delia (Host) (00:49:25):

Is on to live or

Alisia (Guest) (00:49:26):

To-Do to live. Okay. If I want to live, I better continue [00:49:30] doing the CrossFit, although I know I'm not going to die, but yeah.

Delia (Host) (00:49:34):

Okay. All right, cool. So I don't have any other questions for you today. I think we explored a lot with permission. So thank you so much for engaging in such a lively conversation.

Alisia (Guest) (00:49:35):

Delia (Host) (00:50:00):

[00:50:00] Thank you. So

Alisia (Guest) (00:50:12):

We open it up to some questions.

Delia (Host) (00:50:14):

Are you the host? Okay. I,

Alisia (Guest) (00:50:17):

I'm living in my to live moment. I've always wanted to open it up some questions.

Delia (Host) (00:50:22):

All right guys, so this is the actual show. So give up the

Audience Member 1 Q & A  (00:50:30):

[00:50:30] Thanks everyone.

Delia (Host) (00:50:33):

And yes, we do have some time for q and a, since it's a live audience. Are there any questions that you would like to ask either OCR? Me?

Audience Member 1 Q & A  (00:50:44):

Hi, sir. First grade, my per break did not wait. No, no. I have this sense. Just a few years ago, my dad, in his very slow way, [00:51:00] I dec in the house started sending his on a report card too. And the first grade teacher, the other kindergarten, the first teacher, she, and I think it was

Delia (Host) (00:51:16):

You were scarred by that. Is that what you're trying to say?

Audience Member 1 Q & A  (00:51:19):

I do have a scar memory from that. That's what I'm saying. So I think the first grade, it can

Delia (Host) (00:51:26):

Go both ways

Audience Member 1 Q & A  (00:51:30):

[00:51:30] And it's not another teacher, but she wasn't upset. I had, when I went to my father's funeral, mom, Mrs. Smith was there. Ms. Smith is 99. Oh, let's, and she said, I still have her book a poem. So she taught me in sixth grade. But she said something about we were always there, said, oh, that seemed ing. We were kind of all over the place.

Delia (Host) (00:51:53):

Yeah, I think. But those formative years, obviously the relationships with the teachers are important. My kindergarten teacher [00:52:00] was not a nice person. So we all have a thing. But I think what's interesting is living with a gen alpha, I don't know what it was like with Gen Z. I don't have a gen alpha, but Gen ZI think there was more dialogue around saying something about your teacher's behavior and personality. I mean, nobody really wanted my opinion at five and six about what I thought might be wrong with the teacher. But these [00:52:30] current five and 6-year-old, as you were saying earlier, God bless them, they do have permission to speak quite candidly about the human who is in the front of the classroom and how they might or may not like what they're doing. And I think in all fair enough, we are able to assess and we are able as we come more into our consciousness and our own being [00:53:00] or whatever.

(00:53:00):

There are some things, as we pointed out at the beginning of the show, was there are some things that are threads throughout life. I mean, we will probably be doing these performances when we're 99 and our nursing homes come together and do field trips. And then I'm like, Hey, my place is coming to Europe and your place is going to be there. And do you think that we can get our coordinators to coordinate [00:53:30] some? Yeah. So I mean there is that thing. So it's very possible that young people have that ability to have those conversations. But it wasn't very often, I think in the 20th century where they could say, quite honestly, in their formative years, this is not working for me. And have that kind of validated. So that at least is my experience. Is there another question or comment?

Audience Member 2 Q & A (00:53:54):

So of the inspirational of people like entrepreneurs Elon Musk, [00:54:00] Bill Gates, be, do you follow any of those or are you inspired by of those ultra successful entrepreneurs?

Alisia (Guest) (00:54:12):

Nope, because I think that there are smaller, more home homegrown entrepreneurs that to me are more in sync with what I'm doing [00:54:30] and what I'm trying to create. I can't get an Elon Musk. I think that he's gone a little off the radar there. He's not human enough for me to want to follow his journey. I prefer, like I said, smaller entrepreneurs, women entrepreneurs who are starting with seedlings and making something out of it. Because we don't come into entrepreneurship like a man. [00:55:00] We don't get seed capital. Venture capital, usually a woman. And I'm not saying men don't start businesses for the same reason, but usually there was a need somewhere that couldn't be filled. And it usually involves a family member or a child or whatnot. Not everyone, but I'm saying a lot of the stories that I follow and that, and women who I admire as entrepreneurs, this is something that we do on my website with Marin [00:55:30] Designs.

(00:55:31):

It's called Ladies First. And we profile a woman who is first in her category as a ex first woman in design, first woman in first woman to have the Nobel Peace Prize, whatnot. So we are always looking to elevate women whose paths are not as easily [00:56:00] carved as a man's path per se. And I'm not saying that not all men have it the same way, but I'm just saying that I tend to gravitate to those type of stories that have a human touch to them in a human. And I know something about that person's experience. You know what I mean? Whether it's relatable or not, there was some vulnerability. There was something that turned in that person's life to make them go, you know what, I have to make a change or I have [00:56:30] to make a difference or I have to do something else.

Delia (Host) (00:56:33):

Okay.

Alisia (Guest) (00:56:34):

Thank

Delia (Host) (00:56:34):

Any other questions? Yes. So Mr, what

Alisia (Guest) (00:56:38):

Else on your

Delia (Host) (00:56:40):

Wood list

Alisia (Guest) (00:56:41):

Besides tango? That is a very fluid, and it's a really good question and this is why I didn't struggle with it, but I know that tango ISS on the list because that's something I want to do. But I think that I'm always exploring, I'm sort of like I have a radar that's going to, [00:57:00] let's look at and see what's happening, not just focused on just one thing. I'd like to keep the opportunities and the possibilities open based on where I am, what I've just experienced, what's going on in the world, my immediate universe of family, friends, whatever it can be. So I'm always exploring the [00:57:30] to live lists and to-do lists, not just wanting to just tick off a whole bunch of things that may have inspired me or I may have wanted to do for a particular reason in that moment, but maybe it doesn't suit me in this moment. So do I keep forcing myself to go back to something that no longer has its purpose? So I'm always just keeping it open.

Delia (Host) (00:57:56):

I think too, earlier in the show you were saying [00:58:00] that theme of freedom came up. So oftentimes with the to live list, when you start making them, you realize that there are things that you had in a box the way they were defined, and then allowing yourself to sort of push the boundaries of those definitions. So maybe in your twenties or thirties or whatever, we feel like freedom to explore means just moving to another country. But as you sort of push the boundaries, [00:58:30] you're like, oh, freedom to explore might mean just giving myself a whole 24 hour day where there are no rules. I mean, you

Alisia (Guest) (00:58:40):

Can sort of, no, no, I totally understand

Delia (Host) (00:58:42):

Different things in order to fully be whoever you're going to be and

Alisia (Guest) (00:58:49):

Spend, well, I think it's whoever you need to be in that moment because you are not the same person who even wrote that to-do list or whatever list it was even 24 hours [00:59:00] ago or a month ago, whatever. And that's why I like to go back and look at it and I think what write that for mean, but for that moment, in that moment, that was something that was important or resonated or needed to be resolved. I don't know. But no, I don't hold myself to that anymore that I heard something really interesting today when I was listening to the audible book that I'm rereading or re-listening to where [00:59:30] basically just to sum it up, it was like for you to climb a ladder, you have to let go of the wrong below. And if you're not willing to let go of that rung below, you can't climb the ladder. And that's why I've stopped trying to put myself in that box and that list that I made, oh, you got to do this, this. It's very suffocating. But I like lists, don't get me wrong, especially the laundry list. Absolutely. [01:00:00] I like lists. So we have time for one more question.

Audience Member 1 Q & A  (01:00:04):

Hey, so as an entrepreneur myself I just wanted to understand what are your biggest challenges and the biggest success

Alisia (Guest) (01:00:14):

Challenges for me have been finding the right people to work with, building a team. Put it this way when I say that, and I mean that in a very loose term or whatever the team might be for you, but just finding [01:00:30] those people with whom you can have, first of all, a good rapport, second of all, trust, and then thirdly, who are going to get your stuff done. So that has been, and I mentioned that, that's because I don't usually come from the industries in which I've decided I'm going to dabble. And then it's like, ah, I didn't know you did this, or Oh my God, who do I find? I didn't even know some of the names of the people who I had to actually try and find. So that's been challenging. But [01:01:00] now I'm finding, now that I have let go of some of my, oh, I have been a lot more open to first of all also try things on my own.

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I always wanted to sort of farm things out because I never trusted myself to know how to do. And now it's like, oh God, girl, you can do, and even if you don't, that's okay. So [01:01:30] that has really helped me to propel forward. I had for many years on my wishlist for end to have this blog called Ladies First. And I thought, oh, well how am I going to do it? I don't know how to put up a blog, dad, you dad. So I just started writing it and I found, I wrote it. Then I figured out I can find somebody who can put up this goddamn blog. I don't have to be the one to do it, but just write it first. Don't worry about, oh God, that was a lot of my stuff. So [01:02:00] now we've had six months or something of, and now next year I actually know I've been not pulling, I had a list of all the ladies first.

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I was like, I had that list was building, building. And then I was inspired just last week. I know what I'm doing for 24, it's going to be because Marin is all about the mom girl relationship and that building of that bond. I thought, oh my God, I said, why haven't I profiled [01:02:30] moms and their daughters? And there are a lot of people who are celebrity, non-celebrity who have that mom and daughter bond like you now. And there I thought, well, there you go. My ladies first is now turning into something else. Do you see what I mean? So taking that and now really doing an outreach and working that through its own process. And then you said, what are my successes? I think [01:03:00] the successes for me are, and I'm turning the weakness into success, is now finding, I'm now working with some of the greatest people I've never even known existed. And it's always through that I find the most satisfaction. So the successes have been getting, for example, getting a call from somebody who I didn't expect would ever read my [01:03:30] book or would know anything about what I do and reaching out to me and asking if I can do something for charity or for a foundation. It's never knowing what you've put out is going to mean to somebody else and how that's going to affect that person's world in a way that you could never have even conceived.

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And like I said, and then meeting [01:04:00] and working with some people who just have a totally different perspective. So I just wrote for a new project that I'm starting a new book that's coming out. It's not the Sell Blue project. And I farmed it out to a doctor friend of mine, and he sent it now to some other doctors who said this, this is an amazing parenting guide. He's like, why [01:04:30] hasn't somebody written about parenting outside of your comfort zone? And so they want to start using that now. And I mean, I could never have expected by just asking my friend Mike to read it and he read and he's like, no, this goes beyond just, oh, a little ebook to get somebody's email address. He's like, no, this is something beyond that and we can use it in our practice with parents.

Audience Member 3 Q & A (01:05:00):

[01:05:00] Okay. Oh, one last question. Yes. What ask course support. Just, I'm sorry. How did you choose the name of your business? How did you choose The name

Alisia (Guest) (01:05:12):

Is The name of my daughter's name. Yeah. Yeah.

Audience Member 3 Q & A (01:05:18):

I think that is it everyone. Thank you so much for.