This week's guest is 15 year old road cyclist Brady Hogue (joined by his mom Sarah). Throughout the episode Brady walks us through his cycling journey starting with the Vail Composite Mountain Bike team thru his transition to road cycling, including racing in nationals and participating in USA Cycling's European Training and Race Camp in Sittard, Netherlands. This up and coming rider has got amazing discipline, talent, and was just invited to join the EF-Education-ONTO Junior Race team. Brady's very cool story, passion, and energy make for a great episode that we know you'll all enjoy.
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This week's guest is 15 year old road cyclist Brady Hogue (joined by his mom Sarah). Throughout the episode Brady walks us through his cycling journey starting with the Vail Composite Mountain Bike team thru his transition to road cycling, including racing in nationals and participating in USA Cycling's European Training and Race Camp in Sittard, Netherlands. This up and coming rider has got amazing discipline, talent, and was just invited to join the EF-Education-ONTO Junior Race team. Brady's very cool story, passion, and energy make for a great episode that we know you'll all enjoy.
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https://www.instagram.com/bradyhogue_/
https://usacycling.org/team-usa/road#Development
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Email
mountaincog@gmail.com
So I was confused Like why there are so many vampires in Europe. And you guys just went to Europe, right yeah, but there's like none in Africa.
Mike:Is this kind of thing you contemplate, Josh?
Josh:I think about this kind of stuff all the time and then I got to remember that, like vampires are killed by holy water and they bless the veins down in Africa.
Mike:Oh, it's a great song. Yes, I had a 45.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I mean, that is a true dad's joke.
Mike:Yes, what, seriously? What is the name of the song though? Africa, yeah, africa, and the refrain is God bless the rains in Africa or something, something like that.
Josh:Okay, I can remember. Maybe it's God blessed, or maybe it's just they blessed, I can't remember.
Mike:I can't either, but I did have the 45. Do you guys?
Josh:and Brady doesn't even know what a 45 is. You know what? Do you know what a 45 is? Yes, you do. No, she doesn't. Okay, no.
Mike:Yeah, so it's a vinyl record, oh.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Bella was here, she'd know. She knows Bella's got all kinds of records. Oh yeah, she's super into records, yeah.
Mike:Does that help them vinyl and record or no? Okay, yes, and so the 45 was a small one and he had to put a little insert into it and slow the turntable or speed it up, I can't remember which one speed it up. Yeah To 45 RPMs.
Josh:That would be slow because it's 90 and 45, right, I thought it was 30. Oh, should have no idea what I'm talking about. We need to get a turntable. I'm lost.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I thought we were talking about bikes.
Josh:Yeah, no, we talk about everything here. Man, I'm not prepared.
Mike:Well, we got some special guests in studio today.
Josh:All of our guests are special.
Mike:We need some new.
Josh:We need some new synonyms there, or some new what is it?
Bing - Chat GPT:Adjectives there.
Josh:Yeah, remember my high school English class. Yeah yeah, it's Friday night in the MCP and we've got a couple young prodigies with us. One of them is going to talk in one. We don't know yet. She's. She's shaking her head, she's no.
Bing - Chat GPT:Maybe I'm definitely not talking, don't worry, there's no video.
Josh:Nobody can see you. It's only here. But would you like to introduce yourself?
Brady Hogue:sir Sure, I'm Brady Hogue and I'm a cyclist. I'm trying to get to Europe World Tour.
Josh:Right on.
Brady Hogue:Right on.
Josh:Hey, very cool. Do you have a nickname, buddy yeah.
Brady Hogue:Shady Brady 280.
Josh:Shady Brady, I've been calling you Shady Brady forever, but.
Brady Hogue:I don't.
Josh:But the 280 is new. What's where?
Brady Hogue:does that come from? That's from Xbox, oh really, oh yeah. That's that's like your candle on that. That's old school. That's old school, shady Brady. That's the day 2014.
Josh:All right, we got Shady Brady and we got mama of Shady Brady. You want to introduce yourself, man?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, I'm Sarah, and I'm the mom of the cyclist sitting next to me.
Josh:You're the mom of the phenom.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I'm the. I try to be the pit crew, the biggest cheerleader.
Josh:Yeah, are you the pick crew? Can you work on bikes now?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Listen, I brought. I mean, I went years without. I just wrote. You asked me a question.
Josh:I'm like there's a thing that spins, and you know.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):But I remember coming driving out to change your tire one pretty much yeah, yeah, yeah, and thank God it didn't get a flat in Europe. Let's just put it that way because, I haven't had a flat, I know right.
Josh:I know right, not kind of what it's coming. Tomorrow morning you watch.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, I literally just messaged a picture to Josh and was like I got this like goat head in my tire. Should I pull?
Josh:it. What did you do? Did you pull it?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):out. Yeah, we pulled it. I ended up. Jason met me, my husband Jason met me at S and P and he we pulled it and it started spewing air and spin the tire and it's sealed up.
Josh:It's sealed up.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):But yeah, but I was of course calling you.
Josh:I don't know what to do. I'm like, well, there's two trains of thought on this.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, I know the veil bike guys would say leaving in, and just just take it out so right and I didn't know what to do because it was right on the side, so I wasn't actually hitting it when I was riding and I was on a road bike, so you know it can be, you know when you're turning, you never know.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):But but yeah, in Europe I, we brought our bikes and I put it together and that was pretty exciting because, you know, normally that's not something that I do. And yeah, it was great, it was a good feeling to not only you know be, you know figure out how to do that, but now you know could do it and go ride my bike, and it didn't have something to be like, uh, yes, and then do that right.
Mike:And the wheels? The wheels did not fall off. Nothing fell off Nice.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Nothing. I mean it was a little creaky, you know, but nothing like you know. You'd be surprised at what that like chain loop. You could just put that anywhere and it just.
Bing - Chat GPT:Literally put that anywhere Okay.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):That's my sister on the pedals on the pedals on the chain. I'm like it's somewhere.
Mike:Which chain loop do you use?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):It's the I don't know. Here we go. It's the green one.
Josh:That's what I figured, great.
Brady Hogue:What chain would be this rock and roll? Rock and roll Is it is it?
Josh:is it a wax dry? What is it? Any idea Dry?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):dry, dry, but it's. It has a little green top. It's red, no, no no, she's not.
Brady Hogue:She's thinking of the wrong thing.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I'm using the one with the little green.
Brady Hogue:She's using the wrong one.
Mike:Yeah, that's sriracha.
Brady Hogue:Yeah.
Mike:The little green top.
Josh:that is, it's a red bottle with a red top.
Mike:That is not chain loop, yeah, sriracha.
Josh:Did you know that you've heard of here? First, you can use sriracha as a chain loop. Works real well, hey, okay. So, brady, maybe maybe to kind of, since we've just been BS in this whole time, maybe you can start by kind of like start at the beginning, like when did you start riding bikes?
Josh:and kind of take us up to. Let's not go through the Europe trip yet cause we'll spend some time on that. But you know, take us up through. Like, how did you become like a competitive road cyclist? Like, how'd you get here when? When did it all start?
Brady Hogue:Uh, so it all started when I was two and my mom and dad helped me learn how to ride a bike and I was on a strider doing jumps.
Josh:Little push bike.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, a little push bike and then uh.
Josh:I think Pennsylvania right, pennsylvania, yeah, yeah.
Brady Hogue:I think I was 10 years old and I did my first or 11, when I did my first 10 mile ride right. And then, uh, I joined the veil mountain bike team and then I started riding just three times a week not not super competitively for the first year. And then the second year I started doing the races and I started the first couple.
Josh:I was like. So, the first year on the veil mountain bike team, you didn't race.
Brady Hogue:You just went to practice, I didn't rate yeah.
Josh:Okay, I didn't know that.
Brady Hogue:Yeah.
Josh:That's like you're in sixth grade at that time.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, okay.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):That was uh, was that COVID? Shoot I don't know, that was COVID, I believe. So I don't think they actually had races races. So we, a lot of the team, actually did go up to some of the race areas and and raced.
Josh:Yeah, but we it wasn't like an organized event or what I don't it was.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I think it was just for whoever could, and um we, so we were just there for the practices. Oh, cool At that time.
Josh:So first season mountain bike team? You're just kind of figuring it out figuring it out.
Brady Hogue:figuring out like if I like it or not, if I uh, if I want to continue doing it, uh. And then I decided to do the first race the next season. I was. I was like that's, this is awesome, I want to do it again Cause I got a good result and I did it again. I liked it even more and I started doing those more. Um, I did pretty decent at all of them. I think it was top 20.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, I think at all of them. And then I started doing local races in Arizona, like like mountain bike races.
Josh:Mountain bike races.
Brady Hogue:No, no road races. Yet I think I owned a road bike until a couple months after this, and then I started doing uh like what, like what.
Josh:Give me some examples of some of the races that you did, like the NBA.
Brady Hogue:NBA and um 24 hour race NBA. I did a racing uh Big Bear California.
Josh:Okay.
Brady Hogue:And then I think those were the ones I was cycling off doing. Don't a desk right on.
Josh:And then um that's up in Phoenix at McDowell right, Yep.
Brady Hogue:Oh yeah, I was cycling off of the road race and then I got a road bike in that year and I started just training, not not super heavily. I was still riding the mountain bike more. I hadn't done a road race yet and I think I did. The first road race I did was toward a Tucson.
Josh:So when you start riding a road bike, I need to know. It's like do you really, is that the point? I mean, is it like immediately that you start really caring about your appearance, you start really carrying that your clothes match your bike and like what you look, like the shoes that you have, does that come with the road bike? Is that like when you get that? Do you get like a kid that teaches?
Brady Hogue:you how to do that Once you shave your legs? What you say?
Josh:So at what point after the road bike are you obligated to shave?
Bing - Chat GPT:your legs Good answer.
Mike:Five months five months.
Josh:You get a ride for five months and then you're yeah, and how many razors do you go through a week?
Brady Hogue:Just oh, when I first did it, like the first time I did it, it took me like four each leg.
Bing - Chat GPT:It was a process, but you got it down now, right? We?
Brady Hogue:Oh it's bad, it's bad yeah.
Josh:You're not shaving them now you got some wind, drag.
Mike:It's been two weeks. It's been two weeks, so it's all prickly.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, it's bad.
Josh:I've never felt that in a man before Just try it, just have it. No, I shaved my chest once.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, you didn't like it. No, I didn't like it, it was, it was.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Well, it's only bad because he, when he does it, he gets like mass it, like he gets a reaction, so he has. So the dermatologist was like well, you know, we can just do permanent removal or you just you'd have to suck it up. So he's just not ready to commit.
Josh:Yeah, have you tried near? Oh, I get chemical burn.
Brady Hogue:Oh yeah, it gives you chemical. It was not good. Have you tried?
Josh:electric razor too.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, it's just not close enough of a.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Okay. So I mean there's a math, it's a serious.
Brady Hogue:It's like 10 seconds over a hundred miles or something.
Josh:Is it really?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, there is.
Josh:There's math like, and it's the wind the wind resistance.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, from the hair on your legs it's worth it, yeah, and you want to make sure you don't have a beard.
Josh:It's for like, but the hair is fine, your mom is good oh yeah, my mom's fine, the Roman haircut.
Brady Hogue:Is that what that is Roman?
Josh:Who's Roman, or is that like the Romans?
Brady Hogue:The Romans? Okay, I didn't know.
Josh:Maybe he was like some kind of tiktok star or something. How?
Mike:do I know? Okay, so going back to you shaving your chest, I think we're supposed to be talking about bikes. I know that the whole other reason why, and so he said it's 10 seconds, but remember you made your like what do you call it? On the on your Strava the best time. Yeah, whatever it's like right after I shaved my chest You're like. I don't know what it is, but I did shave my chest yesterday.
Josh:Oh my God, I'm like I don't think they got a bunch of PRs on Strava.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):That was definitely it. You had your jersey on, zipped a little.
Josh:Yeah, I don't wear a jersey. Look at me, man. They don't make jerseys for this size. All right, we totally interrupted you man. Okay, so, so, so okay, you had, you were, you were kind of at, I was doing some mountain bike races. I did the one in in Big Bear, did some in Arizona, here, and then you got a road bike and then five months later you started shaving your legs. Take us from there.
Brady Hogue:Okay, so then I started. Uh, I got a coach, john Salskov, and I started same same coach you have today or different coach I have today. He's a owner of the hatched Toyota team which I later got on, so I started doing some more road races.
Josh:I did tour to Tucson and then I did um is it okay if I stop you and ask questions, so so, like what does your coach do with you? Like, like, how does that work, how's that relationship?
Brady Hogue:So he'll, he'll uh, he's like a friend too He'll help me out with whatever I need.
Josh:Um so like your math homework or whatever.
Brady Hogue:Probably. Yeah, he's so nice, he's the best, so awesome.
Josh:But uh, he doesn't have any tips on how you can shave better.
Brady Hogue:No, I haven't asked. I haven't asked your coach man.
Josh:He's just. You can't be the only person struggling with this.
Brady Hogue:I know right, yeah, so I thought that's what I'm thinking. I think a few of the people have that, the same issue but he just gives me, uh, he'll give me a training plan, he'll tell me how to do it.
Josh:Yeah.
Brady Hogue:If I need any help or questions, I'll call him and he'll tell me exactly like what I need to do. Um, and it works. It's that training plan I've. I got so much faster in eight months. I went from well, I don't want to get ahead, but okay, well, good, it's just.
Josh:I went from really worse with Brady about goals.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, he asked me like what are your goals? And then he, he formula it's a plan to achieve those goals. So it's not like his coach's goals, like what do you know? What do you want to see happen?
Bing - Chat GPT:Right and then from there yeah.
Josh:And then from there they create this plan together Like and the plans like, and the plans like ride, ride Monday this way, tuesday that way. Wednesday, takeoff Thursday lift weights, that kind of thing Exactly.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, so it's like I don't have. I didn't have weights for a while because I got hurt super easily and it was during the season. It was just not the time, but now I do weights.
Josh:Okay.
Brady Hogue:So it's like Monday do an hour and a half zone two, and Tuesday do two hours zone two, low three, and then Wednesday do a four hour ride or like just that kind of thing.
Josh:And when you talk about zones, can you explain to our listeners what that means?
Brady Hogue:A zone is your heart rate zone and it's a soul. For an example zone, one could be from like a hundred beats per minute to one thirty or one forty or something right and then zone two is one forty to whatever the end of that one is, and it just goes on to zone five.
Josh:Okay, zone five. Yeah, what's your max heart rate? Do you know?
Brady Hogue:I think in Europe I hit 200. Wow yeah, it's like a rabbit.
Josh:It was very, very hot in that room, oh you're in a room, we're doing a FTP test or something like that yeah, lactate threshold test. Oh well, what's a lactoad threshold?
Brady Hogue:So lacto lactate, lactate threshold test lactic acid in your muscles. Okay, you, uh, every, every. You started a hundred and or you started 80 Watts, I think, and then every 90 Watts, and then every five minutes it goes up 30 Watts.
Josh:What's a?
Brady Hogue:watt. It's a unit of power, a measurement of power for your like horsepower, but for a human.
Josh:Yeah, okay, exactly.
Brady Hogue:And then it goes up every five minutes 30 Watts and then you just see how far you can go. And then you're wearing a mask and it measures the year like efficiency with your breathing and stuff. And then they'll prick your ear every five minutes and take the blood and measure lactate. What yeah, so uh that's not.
Mike:Yeah, that's crazy. How did your results turn out?
Brady Hogue:Pretty good. Actually, I was really really happy with that. After uh, that that long trip, I was, uh, I was surprised because I had done, I think it was- it was after a race.
Josh:Don't be afraid of that mic man, get close to it, yeah, yeah.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, yeah, that good, that's good. Okay, yeah, all right. And then, uh, um, yeah, I was. I don't remember exactly what my number was, but I think I got to 360 Watts for just the first minute of 360.
Mike:Right, so he was increasing how much per every five minutes nine uh 30. Dude, that is. That is really a lot of wattage, I think. I think I'll put my stationery bike at like 160. I don't know.
Bing - Chat GPT:That's calibrated.
Mike:Yeah, for five miles and I'm literally like dripping sweat. It's disgusting.
Brady Hogue:Yeah.
Mike:So you did 360. And so, but you ramped up to that as well. So how long did the test take?
Brady Hogue:I think it took just under an hour, like 55 minutes or something.
Josh:Oh, so that's weight, fitness Wow. Look at that, that is crazy. My fitness was even bad.
Brady Hogue:I did 360 for 20, almost 25 minutes or something, wow.
Mike:Wow, wow, that's pretty crazy. So that doesn't happen overnight. So, going back to the coach, so your coaching made a huge difference from getting from point A to, I don't know, point B or wherever.
Brady Hogue:You are now in the spectrum here, like uh, you can get to, uh, I think, uh, you can get to a certain fitness. Just do it by yourself, just riding whenever, in whatever zone. But I think if you want to advance to that level you need to be structured.
Josh:Is he also coaching you on diet?
Brady Hogue:He'll give me some suggestions, but I don't have a dietitian no.
Josh:No, so is that something that's coming? Is that in your future?
Brady Hogue:Um, maybe in my future. But I'm so young it's kind of like I can just eat when I'm hungry. I miss those days.
Mike:For a listener.
Josh:I'm showing my nephew the middle finger here.
Mike:So Brady, so does. Does your coach ride with you? Or like, how do you know your technique? Or is it just like the plan, like like your mom was talking about?
Brady Hogue:He lives in Pine Top but I'll go to visit him, like I think I might be going later this year to uh go and ride with him. But when I was mountain biking I had I have a friend named Ricky. Super fast I rode with him and he's kind of like the guy that was teaching me all the skills.
Josh:So he gave you your foundation to start from right. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Shout out to Ricky.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, shout out to Ricky. I knew him before I knew my coach.
Josh:Yeah, he was on the. Well, he was on the bill. Yeah, that's how I knew him. Are you still on the bill mountain bike team or no?
Brady Hogue:Not this year, no.
Josh:Cause you're just focused on the road.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah.
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah, it's just I would say, when people always ask me that I'm like.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):You know, like I don't know if Brady feels this way, but I saw it as a mom that the second he swung his bike over, or foot leg over, a road bike, he just completely fell in love with road riding.
Josh:Yeah.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Like he still can mountain bike and he you know thinks it's awesome and super fun, but it's just that passion you see in his eyes when he road rides. It's just completely different.
Mike:Okay. So what is it about the road bike experience that you're drawn to?
Brady Hogue:Honestly, I don't know, I don't. I think it's just going faster. I don't really like even if you can go fast on a mountain bike, on a downhill. I do have fun on mountain bikes all the time, but I think just going 40 when you're going downhill is more fun than just going like 12, 13.
Mike:Yeah, okay, so that's downhill. What about the rest of it?
Brady Hogue:The rest of it, oh you're pedaling, I'm climbing. I love that.
Mike:I don't know you do the grind.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, kind of like hurting.
Josh:You like to hurt?
Brady Hogue:Yeah, I feel like that's a road bike.
Josh:He's not with bikes, but he's got that. We've talked about this on a podcast a lot.
Mike:Yeah, we have, and thank you very little, josh. So hold bookmark where we're at, okay, and in this journey, okay. So Josh went to see Barbie. Of course, I'm sure you know this, yeah, so then he says to me this is last week, and let me, let me back up. I don't think we should be afraid of our cell phones and our TV spying on us. I think we should be afraid of our vacuums. They've been gathering dirt on us for years, all right.
Bing - Chat GPT:So anyways, that's your dad joke, that's my dad, Joe, okay.
Mike:Thank you, all right, but seriously. So he sees Barbie, all right, and we're going to record another podcast and he's like that's the weirdest movie since I saw fear and loathing in Las Vegas. I'm like, oh, I've never seen fear and loathing in Las Vegas and he repeats it. So guess what's in my YouTube this whole week, right? So thank you for that, josh. So guess what's going to be in my YouTube feed this weekend? What Probably shaving your chest and legs Most definitely, most definitely.
Mike:So, yes, thank you to this family right here. All right, we were continuing what, what drove you like, what you loved about, so here's a story that I remember, two of them One is Ricky, behind me when I was one helping out with, like the coaching on the veil mountain bike team, ricky was like so positive the whole time, like behind me Because, you know, I didn't know what I was doing.
Mike:Yeah, he was so positive, so I remember that, so I could imagine like him writing with you and just kind of giving, laying that foundation right For success.
Brady Hogue:Just like that for me, like the whole way still is.
Mike:Yep.
Brady Hogue:I mean you guys still ride together.
Mike:Unbelievable, yeah, he's like the best. Unbelievable, yes, amazing writer.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, he's like our second son in our family. Oh really, oh yeah, spent so many miles in time, well, just, he's just an incredible human being and he's been such a really big influence for Brady. But not only is he a phenomenal cyclist I mean just off the charts but like just an incredibly kind person and what a better influence that you would want for your kid to look up to, right Like he has. He's super mature and he's he's not even 18 yet.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Like he's not no, he'll be 18 in a couple months or a month or something, but very mature. Yeah, but he's incredibly mature and and responsible and so, like whenever Brady would go ride, I just would know he's in good hands. Brady Ricky's looking out for him. He's not only that, but he's teaching him, but not teaching in the way where you're like do this and do this, but he's just leading by example.
Mike:Mm, hmm, you know. And then the second. The second story that's kind of related to that is when we were at a practice. I think your dad you were off, kind of not doing one of the time trials or wherever we're doing his practice, going around in the loop, and your dad's, like Brady, get in there and do it, and now it's because I remembered that. And then all of a sudden you know ties to Ricky and then your coach, and all of a sudden you're like well, we're going to talk about soon here is you're in.
Mike:Europe riding at a professional level. Just you know it's crazy. Your your path here, yeah.
Brady Hogue:I went pretty quick. Yes, you sure did One year of road racing.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):So, that's yeah, so take, so take us into like.
Josh:So you, you'd finished your mountain bike story. You're going to start your road story. We keep interrupting you.
Brady Hogue:So after the I had a Kestrel, kestrel Talon bike that I got from Ben's bikes and then I rode that for a few months, did the tour to Tucson once I don't think I did any other road races on it and then I did. I went and got a 2016 S works, s we're, I forget what my oh, it's an SL, six tarmac, so six, okay. And then I got that from a really nice guy near Mount Lemon who who's rode it all the time. And then, once I got that, I did as many road races as I could.
Brady Hogue:I I'd train lemon all the time and I did the what's lemon for a, for a listeners, what's not lemon, it's like uh, if you go to the very top, I think it's 27 miles of climbing, so it's around 8,000 feet of elevation gain. It's really good training.
Josh:And I think at the summit there it's just below 9,000 feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Mike:Yeah, but you don't. So we stopped and talked to easy stop and talk to some people at Wendy point, the riders, and it's funny because they don't go up to the very top right. They go to a certain point because otherwise I think it dips down again and then you have to climb again.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, yeah, once you get the Palisade, you have a six more miles to you get to, or no, I'm sorry. Once you get the Palisade, you have five miles until you get to summer haven and then from there, if you want to make it to the very top, you have an additional four miles.
Josh:And some of that's dirt right.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Nope, it's, it's all paved Two miles till you get to the ski lift and then um additional two miles, just a little under two miles, till you get to the very top, which is about 1500 feet of climbing from the ski lift up to the very top For our listeners.
Josh:If you didn't know this, you know we have a summer haven, which is the southernmost ski resort in the United States, here in Tucson.
Bing - Chat GPT:Arizona. So while it's, a.
Josh:It was 107 today or whatever, 108 today we actually have a ski resort here in Tucson.
Mike:Yeah, yeah, and the chief of police was on. We're going to publish that at some point here soon, but he mentioned what was the name of that ride. We go around the whole mountain and then he does one where you start an Oracle.
Josh:You go up the backside of Mount lemon.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah.
Josh:You ride down Mount lemon and then around and back to Oracle.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):It's like a hundred and so he starts in like by a Sandman will.
Josh:Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so I think he's starting from his house. Oh, yeah, he lives back there, but yeah yeah, yep, that's.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):You can find that ride on Strava. A lot of people have done it. It's probably better to do it on a gravel bike, maybe because, you're yeah. Yeah, I think, I think you're like half on road and then half on some pretty gnarly like choppy. You know road, you know dirt road.
Josh:Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm braiding. Keep going, brother. We're just going to keep interrupting you, man. So you had that you had the tarmac SLS works 2016. So our doing races did tour Tucson and go from there.
Brady Hogue:I did a bunch of crits so I did a criteria.
Josh:This is a mountain bike podcast, so I gotta explain it.
Brady Hogue:Okay, it's like a race where you do a bunch of laps in a short. It's a short circuit.
Josh:So how? So? It's like a, it's like a loop.
Brady Hogue:It's a loop and you do a road like 10 laps.
Josh:Yep, and how and how long is each loop, each, each lap?
Brady Hogue:It depends. I've done ones where they're under a mile and I just there's some that are six plus miles.
Josh:Oh, wow. So for those shorter ones, you're like basically at all outspread the whole time, yeah.
Mike:Yep, Do you have a preference as far as the crit or whatever other rides? Uh, sir, you mentioned another. What was the name of that ride?
Brady Hogue:Time trial.
Mike:No, no, we were using the French word yeah, oh Kermas, yeah, kermas, oh yeah. That's basically a crit.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, that's like a European, it means festival.
Brady Hogue:So they, instead of a here, instead of having like a party with fireworks, they have a bike race along with the party.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Wow, so here a crit could be a technical crits like one mile, a criteria or a circuit. Is anything over that Right?
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):So anything over one mile would be considered a circuit. Okay, I believe, and then I mean I could be corrected.
Josh:but if I just from yeah, don't worry, our listeners will correct you. Yeah, and just just just some locals telling us, you know, and, like I said, Brady's.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):We're still super new to this sport.
Josh:Yeah, you're figuring it out.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah. So, like, from my understanding, the crits that he's done have only been like a mile or a little under. And then, like, the circuits are, like you know, three miles, like the Tucson is it the Tucson bicycle classic or which one was a? Well, one of the road races that Brady did the big stage, it's a stage race here in Tucson, Right, it is. It's a circuit. So you're you're going like three and a half miles each lap, but it's considered their crit, but it's really a circuit.
Josh:Okay.
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah, okay, keep going.
Brady Hogue:Okay, so I did that and I did, I did, I did a couple more, I did the, I did the muscle man crit. That's when I remember really good. It's the same thing. It's a crit. It was small, it was like a well under a one mile lap, I think.
Josh:Is that on? Like the muscle man course over there, like the the?
Mike:the yeah by the fairgrounds, by the fairgrounds.
Brady Hogue:Yeah.
Josh:Yeah, and they, they, they ride like a go go carts on it. That was super fun.
Brady Hogue:And then I did south mountain crit. Same thing, it was a crit.
Josh:It was very small laps, but it was a but this was on the road, not on the road nothing, nothing on a mountain bike yet.
Brady Hogue:And then?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):and you did some time trials in there.
Brady Hogue:I did, I did a bunch of time trials I did. I got a parlay TT bike and I did a flap jacks time trial race against time. And then the ones in the stage race is like the Tucson bicycle classic time trial on the road bike and I did the.
Josh:How long is it is a time trial typically.
Brady Hogue:It does. It depends. I've done ones that are like 45 minutes and then 25, 20, and then I did one that was seven minute or eight minutes and then you say eight minutes, isn't it?
Josh:miles, isn't a time trial, miles, and how quickly you can do it.
Brady Hogue:Oh, yeah, yeah. So I mean like it really depends. So the nationals one was like 10 miles with a bunch of climbing, and then there's the race against times like 19 or something, okay, and then I forget the valley, the sun ones, probably 14. Okay, 13.
Mike:So, brady, as you're, as you're starting to dive into the road racing experience. So how are you doing Like? Are you ending up like I don't know there's podiums or really?
Brady Hogue:not for Tucson bicycle classic because I raised cat three, so category three. There's five categories, category one being the pro, to like very high, like very fast, but not pro. And then three is like still amateur, but really fast racing and is there age groups in there?
Josh:Are you racing?
Brady Hogue:Yes, not categories in a normal like if like there's there is age groups, but I raised the category side.
Josh:So how are you at this?
Brady Hogue:point 15 or 14.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Okay, you get up by points, and so, in order to gain points, you have to have a mass start in a road race, so so like a time trial, even though he may be super successful in a particular time trial, he doesn't get any points. For that you have to have like a mass start and then finish at a certain like top 10 or whatever, to get points. And then that's how you cat up to like from cat you know, five to four, to three.
Mike:And is this an organization?
Josh:like a part of USA cycling yeah.
Mike:USA cycling, okay, and you're just picking and choosing strategically or what races to enter.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):They have a calendar, okay, and so those races that they support, you can get points for those races.
Josh:So you, a cat three racer today.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, I'm trying to get the cat two right now. How close are you?
Josh:Not close not close. I was in Europe, so I couldn't do any races here, those, those don't count, those races don't.
Brady Hogue:Those are UCI and USA doesn't recognize the UCI races. They might, but I I don't know about, I have. No, I'm actually had no idea, I haven't even checked you that might be something that's worth looking into.
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah.
Josh:You think that you know I'm racing with people in Europe? Maybe you should count those.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean it's just you know, with when we went to Europe. Then we came back and school started like a week later and you know, he I think he had a couple weeks off from riding and so now he's technically in his like off season right now. So we're kind of just. You know, it's like a mental and physical break, and now we're just kind of getting back into the swing of things.
Mike:Alright, so where does Europe place it? Are you now like where we can talk about the Europe, or are you still preparing for that?
Brady Hogue:Okay, so we got to go through nationals first. Alright, gotcha and then we, so we got, we did that, and then we, we just trained a bunch and we raced a lot like Valley, the Sun and to the healer toward the healer was good on, we went to New Mexico.
Josh:Yeah, I heard that's a great race. What was that like? Talk us through that it was.
Brady Hogue:It was very hilly. Some of the downhills are super sketchy.
Josh:Where is it at? It's in.
Brady Hogue:New Mexico, silver City, yeah, silver.
Josh:City.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Silver.
Josh:City, and when you say it's a sketchy, but it's on the road I'm a mountain biker I can't understand.
Brady Hogue:So what does that mean? Like you're going 40 with hairpin.
Josh:Oh well, that's 40 on. And what size tires do you run?
Brady Hogue:28 28.
Mike:And Josh is probably wondering the same question I am now. Do you ever consider like a dropper, like what's his name?
Brady Hogue:I don't, I saw that, though I don't, I don't really I haven't thought about it. I might, but it's just heavier, I think unless you get like a carbon one or something.
Josh:I don't think that I'm not aware of a carbon dropper yet.
Brady Hogue:And yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's one out there, but I don't know of it and I know a lot of the stuff that's out there.
Josh:I haven't seen one yet.
Mike:So you think the weight you know like you trade off right yeah, would not be as too much versus the benefit of dropping it?
Brady Hogue:Yeah, in my opinion I wouldn't.
Josh:Okay, brady, how much is your bike weight today?
Brady Hogue:I think it, just, I think it weighs just under 18 or seven, six, seven 18.
Josh:What are the rules Like? What do you know?
Brady Hogue:Like, uh, the rules of how light it can be. Yeah, I think it's. I think the rule is probably just around 10 or 12.
Josh:Really there's some really light. That's not. I think it might be higher than that.
Brady Hogue:Might be higher than that, but I think uh, in the UCI it might be like 12, 10.
Josh:I've heard stories of like some of the Twitter France guys having to put like weights inside their bike because the bike was so light all of it might be, it was like too light for the whatever.
Bing - Chat GPT:whatever the rules were Well we'll.
Josh:uh, mike's gonna look, mike's gonna look it up right now, and if you're looking that up, brother, you probably gotta look up both the USA rules and the UCI rules, because it's be too different USA.
Brady Hogue:Oh yeah, usa cycling, usa cycling yeah.
Josh:USAC. Yup, there's gotta be a dead joke in that USAC somewhere. So I'm speaking of speaking, of speaking of uh, lemon.
Mike:Um, they actually one of the stores. I took a picture of it and said it easy and um, it's a, it's a bag of like, um, whatever mixed nuts, and it's it says nuts.
Bing - Chat GPT:So I said it easy and he said.
Mike:He said please tell me, you bought that. You didn't buy it. No, I did not, but I took a picture of it. You had a bike shop on Mount.
Josh:Lemmon. Now Do you know what? No, no, there's a bike shop at the top of Mount Lemmon. No, I did not know that he, yeah, I just that's. I think it was at the who was it the chief that just told?
Mike:us that. Yeah, yeah, he showed us a picture. Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I tend not to spend too much. I like after you climb, I it's, I'm trying to go back down right, cause there's like, yeah, the first time climbing it, you get to the Palisades and you, you get, you know you have five more miles to the top and you you start descending into Summerhaven and you're like what?
Josh:Why am I descending? Yeah, and then you keep going.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):You're like what's going on? Why am I? This cannot be good. I just climbed. I don't want to descend and then climb up, but you've got like a three mile climb out.
Mike:Yeah.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):So yeah, you know what I mean. Usually I'm not, you're not hanging around too long after Nope.
Josh:Hey um have you ridden Mount Graham?
Brady Hogue:Not yet. I want to do the the race up there. The Mount Graham hill climb yeah.
Josh:I've, you know. So I've ridden Mount Graham tongue because we've got a cabin down there. But um, I've been told it's the closest thing to like the Tour de France riding that you can get in these in the. States, because it's like that's exciting. Complete switchback crazy.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):It's steep.
Josh:It's super steep, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I gotta try it.
Josh:Yeah, that's, that sounds super fun, you should go down and hit hit up Mount Graham sometime. It's a and there's no traffic at all. There's very little traffic, is it's? It's kind of like out in a remote area. So it's not like the same thing you get with mountain lemon, where there's cars constantly coming every single second I mean you might see a car like every 20 minutes or something. 30 minutes, it's pretty crazy.
Mike:Okay, so bike weight. I mean there's there's paid pages on this whole topic here, but it says for all road. This is for USA, USA cycling, cycle, cycle, cross, track events. There's a minimum weight requirement of 6.8 kilograms, 14.99 pounds. Ultra light road bikes and many track bikes may weigh less than the minimum weight they're. These are not allowed without adding additional weight to the bicycle to achieve the minimum weight. Water bottles, tool bags, pumps such items that can simply be removed from the bike are not counted in the minimum weight.
Josh:So 14.99 pounds, is that what you said? Yeah, yeah, right, let's, let's try a little experiment here. Hey Bing, can you tell me what is the UCI minimum weight requirement for cycling in Europe?
Mike:I've never used Bing.
Josh:She should tell me.
Mike:Oh, it's searching for it.
Josh:Yeah, she's going to read it.
Bing - Chat GPT:The Union Cyclist Internationale UCI, is the global governing body for cycling and has set a minimum weight requirement for bicycles used in elite road cycling races. According to the UCI, the minimum weight requirement for a bicycle is 6.8 kilograms 15 pounds.
Josh:So it sounds like it's pretty similar. It's composed in the year 2000s.
Bing - Chat GPT:Do you want to? No, do you want to?
Josh:talk.
Bing - Chat GPT:If you're entering an elite road.
Josh:No problem, Stop talking Bing If you didn't know this. The Bing app is amazing and it's got chatGPT integrated into it.
Mike:It is like the world's best personal assistant.
Josh:It's awesome. You just talk to it down on the Bing app. I'm not getting paid by Microsoft. You learn it here in the MCP. Yeah, learn it here in the MCP. By the way, we have already started integrating artificial intelligence into the Mountain Cod podcast. Maybe our listeners can guess where it is. I'd be interested to see who can?
Brady Hogue:guess where we've utilized artificial intelligence, our official intelligence.
Josh:So here's a question. People call it AI. We're going to put out a vote. Is Brady actually a real human? I don't know yet, but he's shaking his head. No, gwen, is he real. No, she says no too. What does that say, gwen? You got a fake boyfriend. I don't know. All right, keep going brother.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Where are you at?
Brady Hogue:I think it's at Nationals.
Josh:We did the time trial, which is so can anybody go to Nationals first of all, or do you get invited? You have to be Cat 3. You have to be Cat 3.
Mike:And where is it it changes every year, but it's in Virginia. Wow, so you guys are traveling at this point Roanoke.
Brady Hogue:Roanoke, and then we did the time trial first. So it's three stages. It's a time trial, a road race and a crit.
Josh:How long was the road race?
Brady Hogue:I think it was. What was it? 60 miles or something, 50 miles?
Josh:Okay.
Brady Hogue:Or maybe it was 40 something, I don't know. But the time trial I did good, Did 360 for 24 minutes. I was one of the best efforts I've ever done.
Josh:I was really proud of that 360 watts.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, 20, 24 minutes or something like that. And then the next day we had the road race and I broke away with my friend Enzo Hinkepe.
Josh:Yeah, it's George Hinkepe's son.
Brady Hogue:And then we the second lap, and then we stayed away the whole race Just by yourselves, you and him. Yeah and no. We joined with the third person and then he dropped off in the last lap.
Josh:So did you let Enzo do all the work, or did you just work?
Bing - Chat GPT:No, I definitely, I did some work.
Josh:So how did that work out?
Brady Hogue:Ended up getting second. He got first. We had an eight minute lead on the rest of the field Wow. And two minutes on third, or something.
Josh:And what was the age groups that were in this category?
Brady Hogue:15, 16. So they were all like 16.
Josh:Me and.
Brady Hogue:Enzo were 14.
Josh:Okay.
Brady Hogue:At the time, man Just turned 15.
Brady Hogue:That's pretty awesome, yeah, and then we had a rest day, so then we just did like a training ride up in the mountains in Virginia. And then the third, third day, third stage. Actually we did a criterium, so I think it was 16 laps or something like that, around this short little loop with a really punchy hill and lots of downhills and flats Right, super windy. It wasn't my best day, ended up getting 20 second, but that's better than nothing after all those the other hard efforts, those those two days. So I'm proud of it.
Josh:So that 22nd? Was that all your fault?
Brady Hogue:Yeah, yeah.
Josh:You're just going to take accountability for it.
Brady Hogue:Positioning and just not, yeah, okay.
Mike:So so, brady, when you are at these different races, it sounds like a lot. We're in the West, I guess the United States right, virginia obviously is East there, but are you racing against some of the same people?
Josh:Or yeah, and so you kind of know each other. Had you had you, had you raced Enzo before.
Brady Hogue:No, that's my first time, but I've actually no, I haven't I. We were at the same race. So we we seen each other, but we didn't race in the same category.
Mike:Okay. So what's that community like? When you guys show up race day, you guys all like you know pretty game face you guys kind of hanging out laughing.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, just like drinking like water to stay hydrated.
Josh:He said drink it. And I was like okay, okay, I guess it's Europe, maybe you see drinking a carbon rocket and scratch and you know.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Elementy element.
Brady Hogue:And then, uh yeah, just hanging around eating hot dogs, eating stuff that's bad for you.
Josh:Yeah, cause you're 15. What's the community?
Mike:like the biking community that you with at that race level is it welcoming, is it?
Brady Hogue:it's competitive, but it's nice. Like a lot of people well, not everybody, but a lot of people you meet are be really friendly.
Josh:What's the vibe in the pet? Like I understand, like after the race, before the race, everyone's friendly, but it what's the vibe in the pellet?
Brady Hogue:chill at the start and aggressive in the middle and like depends on what happens in the middle at the end.
Josh:So it's either aggressive or chill and when aggressive like what do you mean by that?
Brady Hogue:Lots of pushing.
Josh:Oh really. Like like pushing the pace or like pushing each other.
Brady Hogue:Both.
Josh:Really.
Brady Hogue:So you're bumping and grinding in there all the time, wow.
Mike:So I didn't know that. I didn't either. I think of football and hockey.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, it's like that, it's physical.
Mike:Yeah, no, kidding, wow. And so, from a strategic standpoint, like, are you, like, do you have like a? Does your coach help you with strategy?
Brady Hogue:in there.
Mike:Yeah, you just kind of come up with okay.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, he'll tell me all about it. He'll tell me what, like when I need to do something or we'll. We'll go through and look who we need to follow and and we'll write it down on the top tube and see which miles I need to attack at her.
Mike:I need to get a feed, you said you write it down on your top tube.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, the mileage. So if there's a feed zone at 20 miles in, then I write it down, and there's a hill at 26 miles in, then I write that down there.
Josh:You've got a garment or whatever that's telling you the miles, so you know exactly where you're at.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):And he uses like a little painter's tape and he just, you know, takes a Sharpie and we just is that a.
Mike:Thing.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah. That's what we do.
Bing - Chat GPT:And then like he'll.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):He'll like. He'll know which play. You know which writer. He won't. You know, needs to get in front of her.
Mike:So it's like football, like watching tape, and so your coach knows who's in the race, and then you build your strategy on that.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, yeah. And in a stage race, you know it's all based on points. So, like the first, you know, even if you don't come in first, second or third at the stage race, you may have done well enough to get X amount of points and maybe the next day you just kill it in the time trial. So then the third race. You're like okay, I have enough points to beat this. You know this rider, so I need to make sure that I need to get in front of this rider. So you write down his number.
Josh:So you're tracking points.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):So yeah you can tell where everybody is just based on after day one.
Josh:Where did you end up finishing in nationals for all three events?
Brady Hogue:There's no overall.
Josh:There's no overall.
Brady Hogue:It's just. It's one you can do. You can show up and just do the road race. You show up and just do the time trial. So it's not over, okay.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):There's no GC, but usually in a stage general classification Okay.
Josh:That's like the like if you do, if you do a multi-day race.
Brady Hogue:It's like exactly your time at it up.
Josh:Yeah, so what's it? My oh, jean, they for the.
Brady Hogue:I do, yeah, I don't even know that might be right how to say it.
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah it might be, Well done yeah.
Josh:And then we get uh someone's going to correct me for sure, but let's just go with it Like we don't know any better.
Brady Hogue:Yeah.
Josh:Keep going.
Brady Hogue:Then I went home for a week and I, uh, I kind of trained, just kept training, keep my fitness up, and I flew. So okay, so you flew, but flew back home, yeah, you flew back home. And I uh just trained for a week and then, uh, just getting ready to go to Europe, just planning it out, seeing what race I'm going to do, who's going to be there?
Josh:So what does that mean? Going to Europe like how did you end up?
Brady Hogue:So basically I did good at Valley. The sun and uh USA cycling noticed me and they wanted to see my power numbers and stuff. So I got invited to the Kermesse camp in uh Europe, in in the Cittered Netherlands, and I got to uh fly to Belgium and I got to stay in a stard for uh two weeks and just train and race. I raced five times.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Right, um, and then a local race.
Brady Hogue:I did yeah Local race, so six times. And then I did a lactate threshold test, like I told you right. Um, that was one of the best experiences ever, so I'm really glad I did it.
Mike:So you're 15 now. Now I'm 15. Yep, okay. And you spent how long? In Europe? Two weeks. So how was that experience Like overall? Compared to riding the United States, it was really like riding there.
Brady Hogue:It was amazing. The roads are way better, uh, just like integrated for cyclists, because everybody kind of bikes there. So instead of being a bike lane, it's like a whole path right on the side of the road there. Yeah, and everybody's really respectful and stuff, so I'm really glad.
Josh:Like the cars, like the vehicular traffic, yeah.
Brady Hogue:And the people that are walking, instead of like being in the way on purpose or kind of, they just they know how to get out of the way.
Mike:Did you go over by yourself or was your mom? Oh?
Brady Hogue:yeah, there was. There was five other teammates there and there's six girls and six guys and I. There's two houses and we stayed in a guy's house. Yeah, there's a guy in the girls house.
Mike:Yeah, Very cool. Um and uh, I forgot where I was going to go with it. So every day you guys had, I had a ride and then you had five races.
Josh:Yeah, Walk us through the two weeks Like how did they like what, what? What was the schedule like?
Brady Hogue:So I got there. Uh, it was like you wake up, you can do a morning walk, meditate, you eat.
Josh:Do you meditate, brady?
Brady Hogue:I don't personally. They uh, we just kind of like learned it there. It's pretty nice, I liked it.
Josh:Um, so you're doing it now. Is it, is it, is it?
Brady Hogue:it's not yet. I'm just getting back into riding, so I might start doing it and might not. I'm not too sure.
Josh:I might, if I have time. If I have time, I'm going to do it. Even if you just do it for 10 minutes, you should.
Brady Hogue:And then, um, we, we rode at like 10 and then we did, uh, we just kind of stretched, just hang out the rest of the day, eight. And then when we had, uh, we'd go to like towns and cities. So we visit. We visited Maastricht, which is a town in the Netherlands. We took a train there. We got to go into a statured, the actual city, and just like ride our townie bikes around. It was super fun. So in our free time we'd go to like a pump track on townie bikes and tear it up.
Mike:Yeah, nice, what was your favorite location?
Brady Hogue:in Europe? Yeah, Probably. Uh, sit hard, but probably the favorite race was the race I got second at with my teammate. We crossed the finish line together.
Josh:So yeah, tell us, like tell us about the different races, right, All right.
Brady Hogue:So the first race that was a hectic and getting used to the junior gears and you're spending like a hundred cadence the whole time.
Josh:What does that mean?
Brady Hogue:RPMs rotates per minute.
Josh:So so. So in the USA, cycling and UCI has different rules for for juniors. So explain like what do you do? How do you do to your bike?
Brady Hogue:I had to get a new cassette. That's limited, so you're, you don't have as hard of gears, you can't spend as uh, you have to spin faster, basically.
Bing - Chat GPT:Oh right.
Brady Hogue:You have no option. That's kind of just what's legal there.
Josh:Um right.
Brady Hogue:So that's what I do is limit my gears. Gear ratio.
Josh:So did your RPM increase at that point though.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, I was averaging like 90, 97.
Mike:97. Yeah, that's been it.
Brady Hogue:So my RPM standing up was 170. What that's fairly boring Was the house fast, what that must take.
Mike:I can't even something to get you.
Josh:I can't even comprehend moving your feet that fast. 170.
Mike:Wow, standing up standing up hurt, yeah, wow I.
Josh:Okay, it's like an energizer bunny. Next time he pedals that fast, kid you take a picture or video. That's why I could see it.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I can't even comprehend. We took those junior year right.
Josh:Yeah, like I'm on the peloton and she's like go to 120, and I'm like, oh my god, 50 rpm faster than that good.
Brady Hogue:Lord, yeah, it was, it was. So that was a local race I did that at.
Josh:I was racing against adults who didn't have junior gear, so so you had to like crunch it if you want to keep up with them.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, we're going 60 k's an hour and I got to do 130 rpm just to stay in the group, but then there's brakes going, so then you have to do 150 every single time you want to bridge, bridge gap, so but that was. That was like three races in, so we did the first race and it was just getting used to it. I think the Belgian national champ or something was there. The Belgian Kermas champ was there.
Brady Hogue:Okay he won, like the state or the country Kermas, or something like that. This is a crit right, kermas. Yeah, same thing it's like means festival, I think. So he's really fast, he. I think he got second or something in his age.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, he's 16, 16. So we did that and then, just, I think I finished mid-pack, like 20 second or something, and then then the next day was Just training again. I think a couple days later, just the same thing, we did another race, I forget which, which order it went in. I think it was the cobble climb one, right.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, that one was where you guys all race. Yeah, okay, so, oh, what?
Josh:was that it was a race.
Brady Hogue:It wasn't like all cobblestone. There was one hill that was a cobble hill. But we like how long was the cobble hill?
Josh:Do you know what he's talking about?
Mike:Yeah, like, like, like couple hundred meter stone roads like the old European. Yeah, couple hundred meters, not.
Brady Hogue:Not, it wasn't like a mile or anything, it was just a short stretch of road.
Josh:But it still bucks the crap out of you. Yeah, I didn't have a bike. That was like set up for cobble. Yeah, that was like riding like a straight road bike.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, and then we broke. I broke away with a teammate for a lap or like almost two laps or something, or a lap that didn't stick because it was so early on the race the breakaway didn't stick.
Josh:Yeah, I was. Peloton caught you guys.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, I had been another break before that too, so I was gassed. I didn't have anything left, and then I think my teammate did really good that race. I didn't. And then we did another race Longer, it was, I think, a five mile loop, and we did how many? I think it was 40, 40 miles, so.
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah, eight, nine base, base.
Brady Hogue:So we did that. We got a breakaway with my teammate, david, and then we we had two other Belgian guys. One is the Estonia national champ, or no one was an Estonian guy, I think. The other one's a Belgian guy. So the Estonia national champ and a Belgian guy, right, and we rode together for I think, half the race. We're out there, more little over half. We were we're out for a long, so long, and their gap was like a minute plus or something like that right two minutes, almost a minute and a half, so we stuck.
Brady Hogue:We stuck the gap or break, and then so what does that mean?
Josh:You stuck through.
Brady Hogue:Suck the break we stuck, stayed away, you stayed away, basically.
Mike:So when you're in that pack, of what three or four riders total? Yeah and these are, these are Country champions, yeah, of their respective country. Are you guys taking turns? Yeah, it's looting, just rotating it just kind of happens naturally. Yeah Well, if they want to work.
Brady Hogue:If they want to work with you, they'll rotate.
Josh:Okay, but sometimes really stubborn, that doesn't happen and they just like slide in their back wheel.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, that's that's when it doesn't work. So they decided to all work together.
Josh:I saw they speak English.
Brady Hogue:Yeah okay not not like Perfectly, but but that's the.
Josh:is that the language in the Peloton over there is English?
Brady Hogue:It's a lot of hey stealing hey.
Josh:What does that mean?
Brady Hogue:so screaming you, hey, and that's it like that's universal, just move out of the way, okay. So I got fourth at that race and then we did the training race. I got like top 10 or something. That was really I'm proud about, proud of that, spinning fast the whole entire time thing. My average cadence was almost 100. Wow, 99 or something. And then we did this. This last race Was super hot. It was like a hundred. Oh well, felt like a hundred was it was said 92, but the humanity was like 65. I felt like I was getting heat show so hot I had goosebumps goosebumps from heat.
Josh:I've had it from cold. I've never had it from heat. You ready to be sparse from heat?
Mike:No, because I don't train that hard. I think that's when your body starts to low on sugar. Yeah, it's not. It's not doing, that's what goosebumps mean. That's what I was told. Yeah, so.
Josh:No, I should guys eat like a Snickers or whatever, and you're good, I'm like that some chance candy?
Brady Hogue:I don't know, I didn't, I didn't even. I think I had some scratch juice that helps. Yeah and then so we Me and my teammate decided to attack on the big hill.
Josh:That, that course now, was that pre-did you have that pre-worked out? Did you decide to do that?
Brady Hogue:It was a tattoo, yeah the lap before that he was like, alright, I'm gonna tack right here, get on my wheel. So then we did that and it was so hard, it was like 450 for the first two minutes in his draft.
Josh:So then I had 450 drafts. What was he at?
Brady Hogue:Oh, probably the same because he's lighter, but we were going up the hill. Okay, I was fatter.
Josh:Yeah but he was probably because, when I look at you had, that is what I think Jesus.
Brady Hogue:Yeah okay. Yeah, and then we stuck it. I was, I was super dead. I didn't even want to do it because I felt like I was gonna pass out and he's like no, it's alright, we only got like six more laps.
Josh:So so you guys stuck it.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, we stuck it. Okay that sucks, but we did it wouldn't suck, it was just hurt.
Josh:Yeah, just a pain locker.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, we crossed the line at the same time.
Josh:Oh, that's when you second Yep. Okay, were you trying to be them?
Brady Hogue:No.
Mike:So how does it work?
Brady Hogue:like.
Mike:You guys can't like. You just take second place and that's just.
Josh:So yeah, so he gets it because he'd be putting a little bit more work on the break. Way more, way more.
Mike:It's just like a courtesy like courtesy. Hey, you put the work in Yep Number one is you don't think they could last me like?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Coming around the corner and I'm like are they gonna go for it?
Josh:Are they and?
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):then, you could tell their pace was like right there just crazy. That's. It was great to see. It was really good Sportsmanship on both of them. That's awesome yeah and you could tell each lap and they were going around. It was like it's super intense and the path you know the Peloton was trying to catch them. Well, it was like 30 seconds behind them a minute, behind them two minutes.
Josh:Oh, so it was like you guys.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):So they weren't just like holding their pace, like they were increasing with. We were slowing down, though, and then towards the end they had already got such a big lead that you know I think they're like, just like we're drinking Coca-Cola and the last lap with the very last lap.
Brady Hogue:They could see us, apparently, but we're just going yeah, yeah, it's nothing you could do, and we were like 500 feet away from the finish line.
Mike:So well, congratulations. So that was the last lap. I mean that last race.
Bing - Chat GPT:That was the second last race?
Brady Hogue:Yeah, we did. What was the remind me? Then the, the last, the last race, the training race, right the last race was.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):It was like Look like it was about to storm. It was crazy. Oh yeah, that race and I mean the kids, the USA team, they like pretty much held the front, the entire Kermis, and then I, you know pretty, can say a better just from the parental view. You know, you see him coming around, you see each, each USA kid I mean they had a turn pulling, taking a lap and then, just out of nowhere, like the sprinters, just engulfed the finish line and just took over because there was no brakes right.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):There was no brakes, but it is impressive to watch sprinters because they'll sit in right. They sit in there. They're incredible, incredible riders, right, it's just patience. You're not a sprinter.
Josh:You basically have to go do in a breakaway, otherwise you're gonna get.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):You have to train yourself to be a sprinter?
Josh:right you have, and I don't know what your body type to right and Brady can.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Brady can speak.
Josh:Yeah, so, so what are you? Well, what would you say on?
Brady Hogue:a time trial list.
Josh:Okay.
Brady Hogue:I got a muscular endurance so like yeah, I can do the power, for I have a motor instead of like a. Like a short little Okay so you're not a sprinter. I'm like I'd say all around. I'm like decent at everything but my strong suits time trials strong suits, running time trials.
Josh:How do you do in the hill climbs?
Mike:Pretty good actually, Okay yeah can you move from a time trial what do you call yourself a time trialist? Yeah, to a sprinter, or do you kind of have to stay in that lane, depending on your body's type or make makeup.
Brady Hogue:You don't have to stay in any lane, I think. But you just what better suits you? Like, fabio Yacupson's huge, so he's not gonna be a climber, but he could be a sprinter right. So he's, he's just that much bigger. You knew that much more power. Okay, so it it. Your body type plays a really big role, but I think you can. You can do Like all around. You can be a climber if you want to. You just gotta slim down.
Mike:So climbing slim down, the sprinters are just like built like a muscular, yeah, okay and then a time trial.
Brady Hogue:You want to be tall? I think that's. That's the best.
Josh:Well, your femur is the lever, yeah, so the longer your femur is, the better. So, you could just have, like really long legs but a really short body, and you'd be fine, oh, yeah, yeah.
Mike:And what that is is that's filling a position on the team like those well yeah, it's like this guy has a role, so right what's the guy?
Brady Hogue:They're just like four stages back to back in torfrence.
Josh:You know, say yeah, I don't know.
Brady Hogue:But he's a sprinter because he's way bigger. But then Jonas finger guards GC. And then there's Sepcoos is the climber.
Mike:I'm sorry. What was the GC?
Brady Hogue:Yeah, Jonas Vingigo.
Mike:What does GC stand for?
Brady Hogue:General classification.
Mike:He won the overall.
Josh:Yeah, he won Okay yeah, the GC is like the the person that's the GC that day that wears the L jersey or Jean-Dé okay. That. That's the guy that's got like the least amount of time for the whole race.
Brady Hogue:Oh, it kind of adds up day to day today. Yeah, okay, got you, thank you. Yeah, he's the the one that wins usually the overall so did you bring your bike.
Josh:What bike did you bring over there with you?
Brady Hogue:the s works, the one I got a while ago back in the 20 2016, you love that bike, hey love it. Yeah, it was only like that was legal because I had you couldn't put junior's on a SRAM axis.
Mike:So interesting, so then you, okay, so then your your Europe trip. Did we get through the highlights of it.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, that was well just culturally like.
Josh:What were your impressions like people, food.
Brady Hogue:I think the girls hot.
Josh:I'm getting the evil eye over there, I'm just kidding the food was amazing.
Brady Hogue:The food was amazing and the people are super nice.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):What's the chef at their house? So like every pretty, can tell you a little bit.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, he was he came every night and cooked dinner for us like what did he cook?
Josh:was it like? Was it like really?
Brady Hogue:Depended, like one night I was chicken wings and the next night it was like pasta and rice mixed with beef and Seasoning and stuff like that.
Josh:So I mean it was like food you're accustomed to eating.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Did they cook any traditional?
Josh:That's not trying to get you like you. I don't even know what, I just kind of eat it, okay.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I mean the vibe over there is is a lot slower than here. I mean they just everybody rides bikes, everybody is Just moves Slower like there's no rush, it's. It's lighter earlier, it stays lighter, darker because it's farther up in the yeah, like what is it like? You're farther closer to the closer to the well.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):You're farther away from the equator you're farther away from the equator so you have more time during the day, so you're up earlier, right? So you don't feel that like rush, that you have to like get all this stuff done because you have more time so much time. So it feels like people are up and out still at 10 o'clock riding their bikes. You know, you see a lot of people on ton bikes, a lot of people like every single age group like just riding their bike to get places.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, training or all the above from get to point a to point B commuting.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, they one ride. I, I, my Brady, was training and racing, I just took advantage of just riding. But one one little town in Germany it was like early in the morning. You see all these kids, not with their parents, you just they're all kind of flooding the streets with their bikes and their little baskets, with their backpack and they're all going to school. And you know, riding through the town, I mean all age groups, little little kids just on, these little tiny Looks like little town bikes right, it's cruising, yeah, just cruising, messing around just going to school.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):How?
Josh:many how many countries you guys go through in your three, three, three, four. Belgium, germany and Netherlands.
Brady Hogue:Yep, that's it. I think that's. Yep, that's three.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, yeah, there was a really cool ride out there where you could ride to one point and be in all three countries at the same time.
Josh:Oh, wow, yeah, like a three-points type thing.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, put stand like one hand in one country.
Josh:One hand, yeah, you just stood there and you.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):They had all three flags of the country. You knew you're standing in all three countries, the intersection of the yeah, it was it was a fun ride. I think it was. I can't remember the mileage, maybe 60, 60 and with like, only about 3500 feet of climbing but it was.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, and that was that was the Europe trip. Really that was the highlights races. The culture was amazing. I think the biking was super nice there, everybody's friendly, mostly so. Like you're hooked, I'm hooked on the sport, yeah.
Josh:I mean you're hooked on Europe, though. Oh yeah.
Mike:I'm riding in Europe. It's a good experience. You look to go back again someday, definitely. Okay, very excited, yeah, right on.
Josh:So this is an end. Sorry, josh, go go for it.
Mike:Is an annual type thing now or just kind of see where it goes.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, they will. They do it every year. But it's just, you gotta get invited. Yeah, you gotta invite, I invite.
Mike:Yeah, okay, all right, so you come back. So what's what's the horizon like? What's what's next for?
Josh:you exactly was gonna. I was like we don't do any, any specifics, anything you can't talk about, but like what's the future for Shady Brady?
Brady Hogue:for it, I think the the goal is just get, get really fast, kind of.
Josh:Faster than you are. So you're gonna get a. You're gonna do like 200 rpm.
Brady Hogue:Yeah. So right now I'm doing weights, I'm trying to like round out my skill set.
Josh:Okay, when you do weights, Like, what are you doing? What?
Brady Hogue:like lunges, squats, wall sits. Okay, so all the standard weight, high reps, muscular endurance low rate, low weight, high rep, muscular endurance yeah so nothing like nothing super heavy or anything, and then, because you don't want to build muscle, you want to be light. But the future for me I think it's just next couple years. Make it to Europe and See what race race a ton. Maybe I start making some money. We'll see what happens right on. So I'm pretty excited to see what what's gonna come in the next couple years or months.
Mike:What year, how old is a person when they kind of peak as a bicycle?
Brady Hogue:Probably 2021, 22. Yeah you're really young.
Josh:Oh, I think it's older than that, brady.
Brady Hogue:No, it cuz. Tadda Pigachar won the like the tour and like 20. He was like 21 or 22 or something. And then there's Josh Tarling. He's like 19 or 20 or something. He's crazy. So it's right around. There is when they start getting really fast get really fast.
Josh:Yeah, you can. How was Lance?
Brady Hogue:when he won 20s, I think was he 27, probably yeah, I was thinking made to later 20s.
Bing - Chat GPT:Yeah, at least yeah, yeah, huh.
Mike:Okay, so there's a window there.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, I definitely think there's a window to capitalize on your yeah, you know your youth you know Well, dude, we're like super excited to watch you do your thing.
Brady Hogue:Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's. I'm excited to watch myself and it's been fast.
Mike:I mean really an aggressive how you, how you attacked like and just to attack the sport and got this love. This love our fitness is amazing.
Josh:Yeah, at your age to have this discipline. Both you guys right to have the discipline that you guys have, for it to operate at the levels that you guys are operating, and it's it's. It's pretty amazing to see and I'm in awe of what you guys are doing.
Brady Hogue:Thank you. Yeah, I was like eight months Shots, yeah.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I think you have to just whatever you do, no matter if it's cycling or Whatever, mountain biking or gravel or cycle cross or really anything across the board of sport if you put your whole heart into it, you're gonna have a good outcomes. And I think that's where the most I've seen the kids where they're not really being pushed by their parents or by a coach or by Friends.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):They're, just they're mentally and you know their, their heart is just in the place, in the right place, and they take that and it translates into whatever they're doing.
Josh:Yeah, and then, like I got, to give a shout out to mom and dad. Oh, like you know, like I mean everything, just just sacrifice, enabling the money, the time, the Constant driving and just putting everything else on hold to like focus on you, I mean that's a huge. That's a huge sacrifice.
Bing - Chat GPT:So yeah, Sarah and Jason's not here he's.
Josh:He's flying in the sky somewhere. Yeah so kudos to you, to your dad and your mom, for everything they've done for you man.
Brady Hogue:Thank you, mom, that's amazing.
Mike:And proud parents as well, to watch the progression. Yeah, right.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, it's been really exciting to watch. You know, and I just you know, I couldn't be more proud and excited to see where, you know, this takes them and as long as he is happy and doing what he loves and I think as a parent, I'm happy so, whether it be cycling, or whether he changes past one day and takes a completely different route, you know, I always say like it's really good, have plan B and that, have plan a and then have a backup plan and then a back, you know, a third back plan just in case, because you just never know right.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):So, just keep focus.
Josh:I just want to say kudos to Gwen as well, to have a partner that's supportive, and I know that you know it's hard to find time to be together when you guys are all training so hard. I think it's cool that you guys have a similar passion and I think it's awesome that you guys found each other. And Kudos for thanks for supporting my nephew man. That's that's awesome.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):Yeah, she's a cool chick. Yeah, yeah. I've heard lots about you going.
Josh:I heard you're super cool chick. You got any final last thoughts for us, brother?
Brady Hogue:I'd say just keep riding your bike keep riding your bike never stop moving never stop moving, yeah.
Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom):I like it, keep pedaling keep pedaling.
Josh:Well, brother, thanks for coming to spend some time or say Sarah, thanks Go ahead. Thanks for letting us borrow them for an hour, and good luck, brady, we'll be watching you, man. We'll be watching you.
Mike:Can you give us a? Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Can you dig it?
Brady Hogue:Can you dig it.