This is the 1st of our 2 part series with O.G. BMX pro Dusty Horton. The episode starts off with Dusty telling about his BMX roots in Milwaukee, his time riding for DK, his discovery of 22" BMX bikes and his current gig riding for Ditto BMX. The episode is full of laughs and fun stories including riding brakeless, how Turf Skatepark turned into a strip club, and highlights Dusty's Tucson LBS (local bike shop) Transit Cycles.
Ditto BMX (specializes in 22" BMX bikes)
- Insta: https://www.instagram.com/dittobmx/
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/DITTO-BMX/100033142909286/
- Webstore: https://lmnod.bigcartel.com/category/ditto
Transit Cycles in Tucson - https://www.transitcycles.com/
Josh's bidet (~$44 on amazon) - LUXE Bidet 120 Plus
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This is the 1st of our 2 part series with O.G. BMX pro Dusty Horton. The episode starts off with Dusty telling about his BMX roots in Milwaukee, his time riding for DK, his discovery of 22" BMX bikes and his current gig riding for Ditto BMX. The episode is full of laughs and fun stories including riding brakeless, how Turf Skatepark turned into a strip club, and highlights Dusty's Tucson LBS (local bike shop) Transit Cycles.
Ditto BMX (specializes in 22" BMX bikes)
- Insta: https://www.instagram.com/dittobmx/
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/DITTO-BMX/100033142909286/
- Webstore: https://lmnod.bigcartel.com/category/ditto
Transit Cycles in Tucson - https://www.transitcycles.com/
Josh's bidet (~$44 on amazon) - LUXE Bidet 120 Plus
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So what is a grateful bicycle? A grateful bicycle, yeah. What is a grateful bicycle? Say to its rims.
Josh:What is a grateful bicycle say to its rims? Okay, so grateful me.
Mike:Thank you, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
Josh:What does a?
Dusty Horton:grateful bicycle say. To its rims it says thanks for keeping it wheel.
Mike:Oh, that's a good one. You fooled us with the R Kelly joke. We thought you were going with the R Kelly joke.
Josh:I'm super glad that you picked that one.
Mike:Really, we try to have, like dad, jokes with bike wheels, but that's a good one.
Josh:That is well played. Yeah, thanks, thanks, we have a special guest we always say special, we need a new. We need a new Thesaurus, thesaurus, thesaurus, thesaurus, to get a synonym to the word interesting or special Interesting.
Dusty Horton:I thought there was a pterodactyl coming or something. Jesus Christ.
Josh:All right, we have a awesome guest with us today yes, Awesome guest, super interesting story. Would you like to introduce yourself, sir?
Dusty Horton:Sure, yeah, thanks, grateful to be here, so thanks for having me First of all, my name's for coming.
Josh:We were grateful that you were there.
Dusty Horton:Absolutely yeah. I grew up in the Midwest, in Milwaukee, and I don't know another Milwaukee guy from Milwaukee Right on Great.
Josh:You guys are because of cheese or something.
Mike:We're gonna read PBR tonight too.
Dusty Horton:Do you have a tramp stamp that says Milwaukee? Wait, do you? I mean, I'm not saying I do, I'm just asking if he does that, why is that related?
Mike:No, I do not have any tattoos, nor one of Milwaukee.
Dusty Horton:Do you?
Mike:Okay, all right, I'm curious where that question is coming from, but we cut you off.
Dusty Horton:I apologize, no, yeah, no, you were introduced. You were introduced to yourself.
Mike:We're not getting very far tonight.
Josh:Dustin Horton from Milwaukee, from Milwaukee, and then Mike lost his shit.
Dusty Horton:Well no, it's totally ridiculous. I have Milwaukee BMX tattooed on my lower back because I thought, you know, when I was 18, 19,. I thought, like you got to remember your roots, you're gonna forget your roots, I don't care who you are it reminds me of what's his name in water boy.
Mike:He's got the tattoo and his right butt cheek or whatever, henry Winkler.
Josh:No, all right, all right. Anyways, the funds, the funds, yes, yes, yeah.
Mike:Okay, that's the best tattoo I've ever heard of. That is a good tattoo. Okay, milwaukee.
Josh:BMX Milwaukee BMX. Can we get a picture of that before you go? We should know. Is it too low on your back?
Dusty Horton:I try to hide it mostly. Okay, yeah, I think it's good, yep.
Josh:You know, like when I got it, like tramp stamps didn't even exist.
Dusty Horton:So just to be fair to me like you were the trend.
Josh:You were the trend yeah.
Dusty Horton:I was the trend setter, set the trend for Tramp's in Milwaukee.
Josh:Yeah, for sure, yeah.
Dusty Horton:It's already taken like a turn, like I didn't know. Oh my God, okay, so uh serious, like like conversation pretty call here.
Mike:Yes, it just went nuts.
Dusty Horton:Well, yeah, I guess the you know it just boiled over. Right, it just boiled over Anyway yeah, and your name is Dustin.
Mike:I got to say Dustin Slayer. We're having a good time.
Dusty Horton:No, no, the comedian.
Mike:All right, look him up Speaking of.
Dusty Horton:Okay.
Mike:All right, so your name is dust dusty, Dustin.
Dusty Horton:Dustin, legally Dustin, okay, okay.
Mike:Nickname Dusty, dusty, yep, yep.
Dusty Horton:Okay, uh, I think, to the best of my memory, my mom started calling me dusty when I was like eight or nine around then, and so if, if you uh talk to any of my family from Milwaukee, they all call me Dustin, right, oh really, you get 10 years of Dustin in you. It's hard to change, right, right? But since then I've been dusty to everybody I know.
Josh:Can you guys clear up something for me? Is it Milwaukee or is it Milwaukee?
Mike:It's Milwaukee, milwaukee. It's not it's not Bill and Ted's actual adventure.
Dusty Horton:No, it's not Milwaukee. No, I mean, maybe somebody pronounces it that way somewhere, I don't know.
Josh:Yes, I gotta give a quick shout out. If you guys heard, I had music accidentally playing on my phone.
Mike:I did yes.
Josh:If you, if you, if for our listeners. If you haven't heard the Viagra boys yet, they're touring with Queens of Stone Age right now. Amazing band Viagra boys.
Mike:So I've listened to Viagra boys for years.
Josh:Thanks for the introduction, bro the tattoo and the forehead, am I always sending you music and you get this great band and you don't send it to me.
Mike:I'm sorry, I didn't know they were with QOS, but I'm I'm going to be out of town, yeah.
Josh:And I'm not going to see Katza up in Phoenix Now, I'm going to see some play at the Christmas place. Oh, even better. So that's going to be great, all right.
Mike:So I gotta tell you, dustin Dusty, when I found out Josh booked you for this recording and I saw your Instagram, I'm like no way. I'm like that's that red BMX guy at premises skate park in Tucson doing, doing the sickest tricks. I mean your progression, like I've been watching you for years now, but the last time I saw your session, the nose picks and the technicality was just on fire. So Kudos.
Josh:You want to hear something crazy. So I just met Dustin last two weeks ago at the park, like just briefly, and Ian's like dude, you guys, you should go hook up, you guys should go meet and whatever.
Mike:Yeah.
Josh:So I take him out and I show him the ramp while you were caught in traffic and he's like yeah, I helped load that up.
Mike:No way. With with, with Liam and Arnold, and, and, and, and, and. It's a small world, it's such a small community.
Josh:I've probably been in the same room like a hundred times and he's never, never, never know.
Mike:That's so cool. But all the kids like always watching you all your sick tricks you're doing, so that's pretty sweet man.
Dusty Horton:Thanks, man, I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah All right.
Josh:So what? So what originally kind of drama drew my attention to to Dusty was he came walking out of the park and he was kind of going through. He was all sweaty and he was headed, obviously, had a big sesh and he was asking about a session. I'm looking at his bike and he's got a BMX bike. It's kind of it's kind of bigger than like a normal BMX purple. It's not cruiser size but it's bigger and it's got a. It's got a tapered head tube and I'm like what in the hell can't believe?
Mike:you notice that.
Josh:What in the hell is that? And so I'm looking at his bike and I'm like dude, what kind of bike is that? You want to tell us about your bike? Yeah, man for sure. And tell us about the company, cause it's. I think it's a super cool story.
Dusty Horton:Absolutely. Yeah, happy to. So um, I, uh, I've been riding just the two. Second version of this is I've been riding BMX since, um, I mean the late eighties really, but I I always say, like 1992 is when I got my first GT, so that's like the year I started riding BMX, yeah. I mean I was jumping curb cuts and stuff before then, but like yeah, 92 is Hold on a second, let's jump in curb cuts. Like curb cuts. Are the like things that the driveways have? That like oh yes.
Josh:Okay. You know the little, little, tiny, little, tiny tiny.
Mike:You're showing those as a kid.
Josh:Yeah, like we all, thank you, I thought they just didn't know the name, right? I don't know. Yeah, I'm still jumping them. And I didn't know.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, totally. Yeah, me too.
Josh:Right we're all just kids that have escaped riding bikes.
Dusty Horton:How many years You've been?
Josh:riding since you officially started with the GT in 82., 92., 92. I'm trying to give you 10 more years.
Mike:No, that's okay, that's okay.
Josh:He looks like he's younger than us, but he looks like he's like 20 years.
Mike:Right.
Josh:Exactly. Keep going bro.
Dusty Horton:All right. So yeah, so been been riding BMX for a really long time and I took a few years off and came back and you know just lots of injuries and over the years it was always finding ways to continue to make it work, Like, make BMX a little softer, make it not it's not hurt my body as much.
Mike:As you got older and had injuries Exactly, exactly.
Dusty Horton:And so it just takes toll, it takes on your body, as always is the case with these action sports. And so a couple, a few years ago now, time goes fast. A few years ago, ian at premises got a 22 SMM.
Josh:Okay, so let's explain for our listeners. First of all, mostly BMX, some road listeners and 18 to 40 or 18 to 27 year old girls is 40% of our demographic, which we can't figure out. Shout out to the ladies Appreciate you, what is a 22? What does that actually mean? And probably give a little understanding of like what a typical BMX is. So our mountain bike crew can kind of follow you.
Dusty Horton:For sure, yeah, yeah. So excuse me, when we say BMX, 99.9% of the time we're talking about a bike with 20 inch wheels. The top tube sizes, the bicycle sizes vary, like the frame sizes vary, but when you're talking about a BMX bike, you're talking about a 20 inch bicycle.
Josh:Yep. And so in the sizing like is like 18, 19, 20, 21, and like half sizes in between there is kind of the typical sizing and that's basically the top tube. Is that how BMX bikes are sized typically?
Dusty Horton:Most of the time, yeah, and you even have like eighths in there, so you'll have like 20.625 or you know. Yeah, so you have like some weird sizes from time to time, but for the most part, right, it's going to be somewhere between 18 for like little kids bikes or flatland bikes, and then all the way. Now we're up to 22 inch frames BMX frames, really primarily for racing, dirt jumping, things like that, with the longer top tubes.
Josh:So when Dusty told me you know, and I kind of knew that background was my kids had BMX bikes and I'm always out there wrenching on them for them. And I found out that you use different set of tools on BMX bikes and you do on other bikes. You use like hammers and like flyers flyers channel locks.
Dusty Horton:Channel locks.
Josh:You know, you put WD-40 on everything Like.
Mike:That's the BMX mechanics. That's the BMX mechanics. That's right. Draw the line.
Dusty Horton:That's right. Duck tape is fine, but no WD-40.
Josh:Like there's mostly, there's that JB Weld, you see that a lot on BMX bikes. Anyways, when he, when he said I was asking him about his bike, I'm like what is it? He's like it did oh. I was like, oh, it's a new brand. I was like, oh, cool, and he's like they specialize in 22s. And I thought that just meant they specialize in 22 inch frames and they make bigger frames, maybe more for adults. That's kind of what. I walked away and I had that perspective up until like an hour ago. What does it actually mean?
Dusty Horton:Yeah, yeah. So when we say at 22 in the BMX world, what we're talking about is the wheel size. So when you're talking about BMX, you're talking about a 20 inch. That's always going to be the case. So you don't even mention the size, because you're really just talking about 20 inch wheels. So when we talk about something that's not a 20 inch, then you get at 24s. Historically have always been called cruisers. 26 would be like dirt jumper or used to be mountain bike.
Josh:When I was a kid.
Dusty Horton:And now. So 22s were really never a size option for wheel until about I don't know, I'd guess maybe 10 years ago it started to come out and then it's gotten a lot more popular in the last few years. So you're starting to see a lot of middle aged guys, older guys, that are opt in for these 22s. And so Ian at premises had bought one and I thought like I'm going to try it out. And I tried it out and was like, oh my god, my body doesn't hurt. Well, it still hurts.
Mike:It's still riding, without less impact on the body.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, exactly. So the larger wheel size just gives you the tiniest little extra bit of cushion. I also found it was easier to pump. I got actually more speed with a little larger wheel size, so I was able to reduce tire pressure from 80 psi to 60 psi and keep the same speed because of the larger wheel size. More suspension in there. So I had more suspension.
Josh:It's so smart and as mountain bikers like we know all about this.
Josh:Because we've lived through the evolution. We went from 26 inches all the way to 29 inches and then something that we're messing around with 27.5 for a little bit, and I think we've kind of settled as standard 29. Some bikes are mullets where they have 27.5 in the back and I'm hearing about 32s now in the future and like even bigger wheels. Oh right, if you've done. We've talked about 24 hour race. There's a guy that rides out there on 36s. It looks like a wagon wheel. It's freaking crazy. He has to put two brakes on it, like disc brakes, one on each side, because you can't put that much pressure on one side, or one side, or one rim.
Josh:Ruin spokes Anyway so like it totally makes sense to us as mountain bikers that you guys went to a bigger wheel size.
Dusty Horton:Well, yeah, some of us did, and there's some drawbacks, of course.
Josh:There's always two sides to it. It's harder to throw it around right Manoeuvrability.
Dusty Horton:That's at the end of the day, right, manoeuvrability, is it? And so when you have a larger wheel, you have specifically for BMX, where you're often very concerned about doing tricks, manipulating the bike in a certain way in the air or close to the coping, so you want to be able to, in most cases, whip the bike around quickly, right, and so I don't know physics, so I'm going to say all these words wrong. That's fine, we make shit up all the time.
Mike:Yeah, yeah. So the no fact checkers here.
Dusty Horton:The rotating wheel as it spins has a lot of Inertia, inertia, yeah, inertia. Whatever Right, so it makes it not want to spin Right. And so the larger the wheel, the more of that force there is. And when you put the heavy part, the tire, right on the outside of the wheel, it makes it even more.
Josh:So when you're trying to do bar spins or whips, Bar spins tail whips 360s, yeah, anything that requires spinning against the grain of the direction that you're going Right.
Mike:It affects that.
Dusty Horton:So backflips are easy, right, but 360s have a whole bunch of extra.
Josh:Yeah, backflips are easy, that's yeah. Yeah, that would make sense.
Mike:There's a cool YouTube of you. Remember who you are on Oregon at the lumber yard.
Dusty Horton:Oh, right yeah, learning flares Slams.
Mike:Nobody's business. And of course, your nose pick over the.
Dusty Horton:Oh right.
Mike:Now step up whatever that, yeah. And then you went over the bars a couple times. I think you picked up flares, though in three tries.
Dusty Horton:Yeah.
Mike:At least that's what it showed in the edit.
Dusty Horton:That was literally the day I learned them. Yeah, I was that's crazy, which felt pretty good. I was 35. So I felt like learning backflip 180s at 35. Like I was pretty proud of that. I had been doing backflips since I was in my 20s but just never learned backflip 180s, which is how you do it on a quarter pipe, so that you don't.
Josh:So he calls it a backflip 180. In the scooter world we call them flares.
Mike:Is that what a flare is? Yeah, it's a backflip 180. I always wonder what it actually is, because it happens so fast.
Josh:Because you're coming up and you're doing a backflip, but then you're ending facing down, do a 180 as well, so you have to do a 180. Otherwise you'd land on your and have to come out fake.
Dusty Horton:Right Right. Which people do flip fakies, right yeah.
Mike:So backflips in your 20s. Were people doing backflips back then? Haven't you seen the movie red? Where they were they? Yeah, I know you, Josh brings up right at every Chancey gets every.
Dusty Horton:We have Literally my favorite movie.
Josh:It's an awesome movie yeah.
Dusty Horton:I watched it last year, like I watched it two years ago in the theater.
Josh:Yeah, it's just to put it in context. It's gleaming the cube for BMX guys. Yes, all right, without christian slater.
Mike:All right, um, okay, so we're back to the physics of the wheel. Yeah we're talking about ditto. Yeah, so there's, yeah, there's so there's.
Dusty Horton:There's some drawbacks, of course, right, as there are drawbacks to the 20 inch too, right. So it's it's all a balance and you're just choosing what works best for you and in my 40s, like for me, the 22 feels better and it's worth the trade off of like trade offs. I'm not gonna do double bar spins, I'm not doing double truck drivers like I probably could with this bike. I'm sure somebody Could or is out there, but like At truck drivers at 360 360 bars with a bar spin.
Josh:Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, just just for our BMX guys that we can't spend our Handlebars because we got cables that keep us from doing that.
Dusty Horton:Oh, gyros.
Mike:Yeah.
Dusty Horton:No, well, we could put.
Josh:I guess I've never seen a jet couldn't put a gyro in a hydraulic brake. I don't think. Maybe it could. Yeah, not that I know of. No, maybe that's I gotta go with the bluetooth stuff patent. Yeah, with electronics.
Mike:Yeah, everything's wireless, all right.
Josh:So so, so I, so I automatically started asking questions, the same questions we had like when 29ers first came out, like what's the tire availability and wheel availability? Oh parts so like do you have, like how many tires do you have to pick from?
Dusty Horton:Yeah, so there's, there's not as much. Obviously, right, it's a niche market, it's much smaller than the broad market and so you have a lot fewer manufacturers who are involved, though most of the major bike manufacturers at this point, like BMX, yeah, manufacturers are all making a 22. Okay, like at least a complete, and then most of them aren't making like lots of good aftermarket parts, but some of them are like s and m makes really good tires, that's I get Tires it's not the s and m you're thinking about.
Mike:There's a running joke about my being into s and m on this podcast.
Josh:It's super great. He gets so uncomfortable every time I bring it up and you know he's thinking about it. He's like maybe I should try that, just to see.
Mike:Oh, yes, and then, because of these conversations, my phone picks it up. If you've talked about many times, so then my youtube.
Josh:Yeah, it's my fault that see the bad stuff showing up.
Mike:I was how my wife. Come on, man, it's just so you know, it's all josh, it's not what.
Josh:it's not my search history.
Dusty Horton:It's what I'm saying, right? It makes perfect sense to me.
Josh:So s and m makes some the big ones. So you have some options. Yeah, you have some options In real alienation, quality options yeah.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, actual quality options, right, Like I I mean riding as long as I have, like if I buy a complete bike the things fall on a part in a month, like at best you know. So like I have to have good aftermarket options that really hold up.
Josh:So tell us, like, what are the parts that were out fastest on a BMX with the type of and he and he does like hardcore freestyle Dirt, jump like big hucking, you know BMX riding?
Dusty Horton:Yeah, yeah, and, and I'm, I'm not little, you know, like right now I'm 165 pounds, but I've I've been like 190, um, pretty consistently for most of my life, or you know, 180, 190, and so I'm, I'm not light and I'm doing these tricks and landing very hard. You know, 10 feet up and you miss and you land Flat bottom and you know, so it's, it's, it's really a lot of damage on the bike. So for me, it's always the crank arms that bend the wheels, the crank arms, yeah, the rims, that bend, um, and then the frames. Usually, like, over time, the back end will start to tweak over. So so, yeah, you have like you know that is some serious.
Mike:What are the cranks?
Josh:made of? Are they aluminum or they steel steel?
Dusty Horton:Yeah, I mean I haven't had I shouldn't say that now, because that that hasn't happened in a couple of years but I just started changing cranks a lot more frequently, so yeah, why are you changing the cranks?
Mike:because they're breaking or because you're experimenting with different cranks and sizes?
Dusty Horton:No, I like pretty much. Now. I'll change cranks every time I change a frame, like every two years or so, like I just don't. I used to ride them until they'd fail fail and they would, they would always Bend and bend and bend, like eventually just get worse and worse. So yeah, just from from landing on the outside of the pedals with All your weight, you know sure, yeah.
Mike:So do you have a preference? I know you're at the premises park a lot. Do you have a modality that you like? Do you like the dirt? Do you like the inside parks?
Dusty Horton:So I I grew up, you know, in the 80s and 90s, like everybody rode everything like. So you rode flatland and you rode vert and you rode dirt jumps and you rode street and you rode skate park like that's just what we did. And as time went on, I definitely like focused more and more and more on skate parks, like in, specifically, indoor wooden skate parks always felt the best to me. Um, and and part of that is just where I grew up in the Midwest it was, you know, cold six months of the year. So you're in indoor wooden skate park.
Dusty Horton:We got like one of the best indoor skate parks in the world in the world, in the world here, here in here, in two years on it with premises.
Josh:Park, dude, if you haven't been there, you can ride. You can ride mountain bikes there to Ian promise that he lets you in.
Mike:So, uh, go check it out, sign a waiver, spend 10 bucks for a couple hours.
Josh:It's a cool experience. You want to see how bad you suck on a bike. Go ride a skate park, but there's something for everybody there.
Mike:You know he's got big stuff, little stuff and the whole culture and vibe is so cool there you can put your thing and it will.
Josh:I tell you. It'll help you on the trail. And I'm just giving a little shout out to Ian.
Mike:So you can so, speaking of skate parks and being from Milwaukee, so 1987 it's miliwake, yeah, miliwake. So 1987 I Um turf skate park. Yeah, do you remember that? By any chance I rode there.
Dusty Horton:You did on the skateboard, or skateboard Ambia bex.
Mike:Oh, I didn't know, they let you guys were probably sitting there at the same time. We well, he's older. I'm sorry I'm older than he is by quite a bit so but we could have been. Yeah, I mean, I started going there in 92, so okay, yeah, so I was five years previous, um, but yeah, great place. And then I think it turned into belly button strip club. They put boards over the rules Skating the front door.
Josh:Yeah, right, good when skating they turned a skate park into a strip club.
Mike:Into a strip club yeah.
Dusty Horton:Is it back to a skate park yet? Well, it was, yeah, shortly after that, because by the early 90s I was, I was going there and then, um, they Freeway went through it. Now, no, it's like the spot is still there last I heard, and they were doing a save the turf. So what they did is they filled in all the bowls while the place was still open because it, you know, like Mid 90s, everybody had stopped skating balls and everybody was street skating right. So they filled in all the bowls and put in this like street plaza thing. But people knew that the bowls were there. So, like I think probably 95 or six is when they went out of business and then, like 2005, 2006, 2007, they're like Save the turf. You know, like, yeah, they want and they wanted the city to like come and take the bowls and put them somewhere else. That park opened in 1979 and in the 90s, when I was riding there, it was the longest privately owned skate park that was open in the country.
Josh:Wait, what about modern? Yeah, what about modern and trait?
Dusty Horton:No, from in 90, like 93. Okay, yeah, from 79.
Josh:Well, the guy from modern skate park lied to me, then Keep that. Or I'm lying to you. Have you written that? Have you written that?
Dusty Horton:modern? No, not that I'm aware of.
Josh:Yeah, that's the one in Detroit. Right, that's Detroit. Yeah, he told me it was the longest, like maybe it was the longest continuously operating skate park that didn't turn into a strip club.
Dusty Horton:Right, right, right, that could be it. Yeah, yeah, it was interesting.
Josh:He was telling me like his business model, because, like every skate park loses money best. I can tell, yeah, maybe there's some that don't. But he, like bought this building and the front half of the building is all office building office space.
Dusty Horton:He rents that off.
Josh:He rents all that out and then that basically funds to keep the skate park open, which doesn't make money, right he's just trying to stay in the green at all times. Totally Kept it going for like 30 years or something.
Mike:Yeah, it's awesome, all right, so you like wooden ramp parks?
Dusty Horton:Yeah, yeah, Indoor wooden ramp parks growing up in the Midwest, and so I was. I mean just yeah, Anyway, that's my favorite kind of riding.
Mike:Were you sponsored back then like a professional level, or what were you doing back then as a kid?
Dusty Horton:Sort of yeah.
Josh:I don't want to lose the ditto. Yeah, yeah so let's come back to ditto, because they're doing something unique and interesting and I think we should highlight them. Yeah, 22 inch bikes. Tell me about ditto.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, yeah. So once I found 22 inch bikes and I started riding them I was like, okay, this is the jam, but now how do I get like really good parts? And so, looking around at frames, like all the frame options were really expensive and I was I had bought a complete Verde. I actually and this ties back into the question a second ago I rode for DK in the 2000s and so like I still had some connections there and so got a Verde 22 like through them, because DK is Verde, their system cycle is the like parent distribution center and so anything that like system got like as a DK flow rider I would get discounts on that stuff too.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, yeah. So I got a Verde 22,. Rode that for about six months and realized like, okay, I like the 22, but the geometry is just, this particular bike is built more for like dirt jump Like just it was slower and sluggish in terms of like tricks and spinning and that kind of stuff. So I'm looking around at different frame options and obviously one of the options that you have is have a custom frame built and Mike Laird shout out Mike Laird and Laird frame they do custom chromoly frames and titanium frames and you can get them in pretty much any size you want. So mountain bike size, bmx size, like 12 inch, I mean whatever you want Custom frames.
Dusty Horton:So and if you look at like you could order a custom frame from S&M, you could order a custom frame from standard, and when I looked at the prices and all that stuff, like Laird frame was just kind of the way to go and the downside is it's one guy built in frame. So it took eight months to get the bike from when I ordered it. But once I got it I was in love with it and the way that I ended up getting the geometry that I wanted, because with Laird frame, like you tell them they're not going to tell you what geometry to. You have to choose right, what's your head tube angle, what's your seat?
Josh:You know all these, all these aspects. We haven't talked about GEO in so long. Josh loves geometry.
Dusty Horton:I love geometry. I was asking about the geometry. It was like what are?
Josh:you with there. Anyways, keep going.
Dusty Horton:So um so I knew what I had you know in terms of 22, and you can't just take your favorite 20 inch bike and go, okay, I want this right because it's a little different, right. So I was looking around the internet and I thought, like, how do I find the geometry that I want? And I came across Ditto because they had a park specific like and when we say park specific we mean a little steeper, a little faster, a little more responsive, a little shorter wheelbase.
Dusty Horton:Exactly, and and compared to like a trails frame, which is going to be longer, slower, et cetera. Right, and so my Verde was like the more trails frame and I thought, okay, this bike, this Ditto that I found online, has like the perfect geometry, so I'm going to steal that.
Josh:So I stole their geometry numbers? Yup, and I had a.
Dusty Horton:Laird frame made with that and I got it and I wrote it for like six months and I loved it and it was amazing and, like you know, custom paint and like it's so fun to get a Laird frame because it's like your bike. You actually get a custom seat, stay bridge. So I got a little heart like built into the frame. Nice, it's phenomenal.
Josh:Awesome, so seat stay bridge would be behind the seat going down to the.
Dusty Horton:Yeah.
Josh:And there's always like a little piece of metal that crosses between the C stays, and so you, you could choose whatever you wanted, right?
Dusty Horton:So I had a little heart made it was awesome.
Dusty Horton:It was like super personal, you know it's nice, so I love that bike, had it for six months. I had written breaks on my bike for 20 plus years and got this wild hair on my button, was like I need to ride brakes again for some reason, like and and there's there's a little more story than that to it but but decided I needed breaks and so I went online and I ordered a ditto because the bike I had ordered from Laird frame like was had no breaks Cause why would I have brake mounts on this frame? I haven't written breaks in 20 years, so I ended up ordering a ditto and that is actually what created the relationship with ditto and with John the owner, and and John is a great guy, so I ordered a bike that they didn't have inventory you know mishap inventory.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, and so he ended up giving me like a more expensive model for the same price and throwing a t-shirt. I was like, wait, what Like? Just super nice dude Right, so like just trying to make it right and and I realized like, oh, this is, this is just one guy.
Dusty Horton:This is like one guy running this company, like running the Instagram page and running the storefront and like hustling, having a fan, you know like doing everything Right, so yeah, so I was like really stoked on just like this whole idea of like one guy really believes in 22s and things like this needs to be pushed, and so that's what his, his focus has always been on is just this 22 inch market, his niche.
Dusty Horton:Exactly, exactly His niche and he had started actually in BMX like in the eighties um, was actually even in like in BMX videos in the eighties, you know had some notoriety in the Midwest and had moved kind of all over the country and moved to Portland, ended up in North Northern California after a period of time, had kids, had a family, had this whole thing and kept going back to bikes, kept going back to bikes, kept going back to bikes. And then somebody at his trails was like, oh, you should ride this 22. Because he had gone kind of, he had done gravel bikes, he had done mountain bikes, he had, you know, done all this stuff but kept gravitating back to the 20 inch.
Dusty Horton:BMX bike Right. And so some guy at his local trails was like, oh hey, I got this 22 inch bike and he was, he was sold right, just like I was, and yeah, it just felt so much better. It felt like, just felt like it fit me. He felt the same way and so he started looking around of like, okay, cool, well, there's a few frame options for 22s, but like, hardly anybody's making forks, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna look into getting forks made, yep. And so he starts talking to different people. He talks to SNM, he talks to FBM. When, when? Fbm? I don't know if you guys know no, no, fbm.
Mike:So they fit, is that?
Dusty Horton:no, that's not Okay, sorry fit is part of SNM, fitness and emmer, yeah, same company, but FBM, fat bald men.
Mike:That's what that stands for.
Josh:Yep, it's perfect.
Dusty Horton:Yeah. Or fire bikes, mayhem. Yeah. They had a bunch of different acronyms, but fat bald men was the actual like company name. So they were around for like 20 plus years. They were another US based manufacturer, like they made their own bike frames bike frames in house, just like SNM did.
Dusty Horton:And so they. John was talking to FBM about getting forks made because he really had this idea. He like love the the PDC pedal driven cycles as a company in, I believe, texas and they've been making 22 frames for a while. But he couldn't get them excited about making forks. So he's like I'm going to make forks. So he's talking to all these people couldn't, couldn't get it to work out. And then FBM closed right when he thought he was going to get that deal working and he's like, okay, well, I'm going to just do it myself.
Dusty Horton:And so he started making frames and yeah, he got connected with somebody that could get the manufacturing done and had you know samples made and checked them out and like wow, okay, cool.
Josh:So so so they got an Instagram, they got a Facebook, they got a, they got a web store. We'll put all the links in the show notes for everyone. And I'm, you know it's kind of been cruising through the web store today, like the frames are actually pretty like reasonable, like they're like kind of 350 to like 550 price. And their quality right, high quality, and they have. They have this fucking badass SEMA language.
Mike:I don't usually say the F word out here, I guess what I do but they've got this colorway.
Josh:It's called Matt trans blonde bronze. It is the coolest, pretty looking. Look at that color, dude. Wow. I just think that color is awesome.
Mike:It's almost like copper looking Super sick. So going back to how you first ran into Dusty at premises about the head, head tube.
Josh:Yeah, so it had a. It had a taper head, so I've never seen that on a BMX bike before. Do you know the backstory on that? It's it's good designing, no.
Mike:I don't know either, I'm just curious.
Dusty Horton:Well, he so he, uh, yeah, the. The short version is like he rides mountain bikes as well, like yeah.
Mike:There it is. That's true.
Dusty Horton:He's involved in his the the one other team rider that they have his name is Jody Donnelly. He's also like a BMXer from the Midwest from the late 80s, early 90s. He lives in North Cal and is is a huge like ride everything, right. So he's doing backflips on like full suspension 27s and like dirt jumpers and all this stuff, and so he's he's literally riding everything, and so I think all those guys are just like let's take what technology works, we can, and that is awesome, and we'll continue to make the bikes better, which is always how BMX has worked right when, when they figure something out, oh we could do this better, so we do it.
Josh:Right, same in mountain biking. Do you have this? We steal most of our tech from motorcycles.
Mike:Totally Most.
Josh:of the tech just trickle down from motorcycles, and now it's trickling. I mean it won't be long before you all have hydraulic brakes, if you don't already.
Dusty Horton:Yeah Well if you ride break?
Mike:are you riding breaks today?
Dusty Horton:So yeah, yeah, that's why I got the body.
Mike:I know it was a trip, he took them off.
Josh:No, I got yeah, yeah, he doesn't have a gyro though he's just got a long ass cable in the front. So he can do, he can do one bar turn, one bar spin back, and then he's got it.
Mike:Yep, you just ride the back brake now no, he's got a front brake too. He's just got a long cable. Oh, you're being serious, I'm not kidding, I'm not getting sarcastic. No, I'm serious.
Josh:I saw that on his bike, I'm like where's your gyro? He's like no just a long ass cable, so he's got enough for him to do Do you want to bring it back? Well, I preload one and then I take my run and I can do two in the run. I got you One this way and one that way.
Dusty Horton:I can do like I preload it, so I spin it the wrong way first.
Josh:Oh, so it's pretty low. I got you.
Dusty Horton:And then I go take my run and I can do two in the same direction.
Mike:Regular You're not doing an apo Right, I mean people could. So that explains that's how you're doing your, your nice nose picks.
Dusty Horton:Front brakes.
Mike:The front brakes help with that.
Dusty Horton:Well, yeah, you need them. So to do like a nose pick, proper nose pick. You're doing it with a front brake, Can't you just put your foot up there?
Josh:That's a foot jam nose pick.
Dusty Horton:So it's yeah, yeah, just a different, different, like I mean, it's a different trick completely. But yeah, they call one nose pick and they call one foot jam nose pick, and because nobody wants to say the whole thing anymore, they just say foot jam.
Josh:We got to double click. We got to double click on this no brake thing for a second because our mountain bike listeners are like what the fuck, are you guys talking about no brakes, like we? Live on our brakes. So so basically, like my, you can tell me if this is my son just uses his foot to stop him.
Mike:Yeah, In in the early and trans sorry, and transition and lack of pumping like yeah, yeah yeah, sure, yeah.
Dusty Horton:I mean like in in the in the early 2000s, probably even late 90s, like people were starting to experiment with riding BMX brakeless. Like it started kind of in Flatland and street and then it made it way it's way into ramp riding Right and so, like by I don't know 2010, like nobody was running brakes anymore. So it just was something that people didn't do. Like you just don't ride brakes, you need another one. Yeah, sure, thank you, do you?
Josh:want me to get you another? We're. We're just a technical pause here while we're sorting out.
Mike:Do you want another barrier? I'm good right now, okay. So, dusty, why? Why did they take the brakes? Is it, is it ride better? Or is it because you can? You know why? Why the the the no, no brake movement? It's punk rock dude.
Josh:Yeah, maybe it started as being just punk rock, I guarantee it.
Dusty Horton:So you know I don't. I think for everybody it's something different. Yeah, Um, for me, like I am not, I don't love working on my bike and the amount that you.
Mike:One last thing to mess with that you have to work on your bike. It's a simple simplicity.
Dusty Horton:To make your brakes work like you got to keep your back wheel straight, right, because we're using we're using rim brakes, not disc brakes, right? So you have to keep your back wheel perfectly straight and you're constantly landing sideways from 10 feet on your back wheel, tweaking that back wheel so it's.
Dusty Horton:It's hard to keep your back wheel straight all the time to make the brakes work, so it's a lot of maintenance, and so for me that was a huge draw. The other part was and this is still true I'm a control freak, and so by taking the brakes off, I forced myself to lose that lever of control which completely changed how I rode, I mean that's what you do in your.
Josh:SNM world, right it's kind of different but the same I guess.
Mike:Yeah, I gotta tell you rim brakes suck.
Josh:I mean I've had the, I've got Paul rim brakes which are like the best, I mean at least in the, in the, in the mountain biking, in the, in the road biking road. Paul's like the best rim brakes you can get from my perspective.
Mike:They all suck, but you couldn't, you can't put discs on it.
Dusty Horton:You can and people do all the time.
Mike:And it doesn't mess with it Look on.
Dusty Horton:that website Is there?
Josh:is there disc brakes on here? Yeah, no shit, Shut the front door. You guys keep talking. I gotta look.
Mike:I never. I have never seen that, yeah, so.
Dusty Horton:Ditto. Ditto just came out with a bunch of new models, and so that's one of the things that they did with the, with the tapered head tube. They also added a couple models that have disc brakes as well. Wow, yeah. So trail riders specifically, so dirt, dirt, jumping, huge push right now to move towards disc brakes for a lot of them, some of them, you know like whatever some people have their ideas about, like I'm going to keep it simple or whatever.
Josh:But, the people that want the function yeah, a lot of people are switching over. Yeah, once once we haven't gone there yet. It's coming, but we haven't gone to electric. You know, digital braking systems.
Mike:Oh cause it's all just shifting right now.
Josh:Yeah, so the shifting, they've got all electric the. C-pose have got electric, it's coming. I'm sure they're gonna have servo actuated brakes. That seems like it would be a perfect BMX situation. Cause you got no cables you don't have to worry about gyro, you can just. But the amount of braking you get with a disc brake is like no shit serious braking compared to what you're used to with rim brakes.
Dusty Horton:And that's part of the problem. So for a lot of tricks specifically in like the trickland, you need to feather.
Mike:Yeah, and you don't really feather. Not as well for sure. At least not at my level.
Josh:I'm sure there's like world cup racers that feather.
Dusty Horton:I'm sure somebody's doing it. Yeah, it's not me, right, so it just makes it harder, yeah.
Mike:So do you know? Not to put you in a spot, but do you know where Ditto are made?
Dusty Horton:I don't, I think they're. I mean overseas, oh, okay, yeah, but I don't know where they're made.
Josh:So he does the design and he's got an offshore manufacturer.
Mike:Okay, he doesn't weld the frame. Yeah, he's got a. Okay, Right, yeah.
Dusty Horton:He has them made frames and forks.
Mike:Yeah, with his geometry and all that specs and all his specs, yeah.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, and that's the other pieces. You know, he had actually started it like about forks and so one of the cool things they're doing now, and I've never even seen this on a BMX bike. So just to go back to the brakes things for a second, so when people started taking their brakes off, like frame manufacturers immediately started given options right, Like, okay, you got frame with brake mounts, you got frame with no brake mounts and then eventually they started making removable brake mounts on the frame, Since you could switch back and forth between having brakes and not having brakes right.
Dusty Horton:Nobody ever did that for the forks, because after the nineties hardly anybody was riding from brakes.
Josh:Oh wow, I've thought about it. I've cut a couple with the grinding wheel.
Dusty Horton:Yeah. So there's a handful of people still doing front brake tricks, right, and so you can buy forks with front brake mounts. You know much smaller selection, right, but nobody's making removable front brake mounts that I know of, at least in BMX and so now there's a 22 inch fork option From.
Josh:Ditto. From Ditto which has something, yeah, that even a 20 inch BMX bike to have. It's like the mounting peg that just screws out right.
Dusty Horton:Exactly, yeah, yeah, but it makes it look a lot cleaner.
Josh:You don't have that thing hanging out there. Well, I don't think you guys are as concerned with weight as we are in the mountain bike world.
Dusty Horton:Some of us are, but not me for sure. Yeah, right now.
Josh:Do they make carbon BMX bikes?
Dusty Horton:They're getting into carbon wheels is the thing I've seen lately. But tie is big Tie. Yeah yeah, weight is a big deal for some of it.
Josh:He was checking out my tie. I was working on the lightspeed when he came out. That's really pretty. Yeah, that's cool bike. I'm loving that bike at the moment. Yeah, very cool Shout out to Ditto. So okay, we want to talk about transit.
Josh:Oh yeah, you want to tell us a little bit about transit. So transit's a shop in Tucson off the loop. If you guys remember, we had hey Susan with his shop ride Tucson, which is also off the loop. Tell us, you've had a great experience with transit. You want to give them a shout out and tell them.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, for sure. So I live like in the neighborhood. I'm right down the street from them, close to downtown, and they're like a walk from the loop, like three minutes right. They're at the MSA Annex in those shipping container.
Josh:Mercado San Augustine, san Augustine, or San Augustine, San Augustine San.
Dusty Horton:Augustine, yeah, so they're at the Annex part, the shipping container part, which is just a little bit south of the main MSA, and that whole area is really cool, just to hang out Super cool. Yeah, it's awesome, awesome down there. Downtown Tucson area Just west of downtown West of downtown, yeah, yep, just on the other side of the freeway, yeah.
Josh:Hey KS Mercado on English Store.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, shop or market, I always got through a little.
Josh:Spanish in for a Spanish translator here. Yeah, mark, I couldn't think of that word. Good job, it's not like you live in a Mexico.
Mike:In Milwaukee. We picked that up right yeah in Milwaukee there you go A lot of Spanish in Milwaukee. The second one OK, so MSA transit.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, transit, transit right, so yeah. So basically that's the closest shop to me and I always had friends that worked at bike shops so I had friends that worked at Oral Valley, or friends that worked at Ajo, or friends at blah blah blah, and eventually, over the years, all those friends stopped working at those shops and started doing other stuff.
Josh:And so I'm like Sad story for them. I bet you they all wish they were back at the shop. Good old days, but you got to pay mortgages. No, I got to stop them.
Dusty Horton:I'm grateful that they're doing what they want to do. And also, why aren't they fixing my bike? So yeah, and like I said, I can do the maintenance. I choose not to right, so that's my spiel.
Josh:I think you should rethink that. That's my zen man.
Dusty Horton:It is for a lot of people, and so is cooking, yeah. And then OK, ok, yeah. So, point taken, to each their own, to each their own.
Josh:My SNM. I'm into fixing bikes. You don't like it.
Dusty Horton:I mean, I've taken computers and phones apart, like that I don't mind. Like yeah, technology is fine, but for some reason I just yeah, like.
Mike:Like writing more than fixing.
Dusty Horton:I like writing more than fixing. Yeah, I can do it, I just am not.
Josh:So you're hopping on your bike and cruising over to your local.
Dusty Horton:So I'm going to my local, exactly. And so when I was looking around for shops, like you know, look online and looking at reviews and I'm like, oh my God, this place is a mile from my house and incredible reviews and actually sells the like unique gravel bike manufacturer that, like I have a gravel bike from which is all city. So I'm like, oh, they even like work, you know, sell this brand that I have, you know. So it's like perfect fit.
Dusty Horton:So I go down there with my gravel bike a couple of times to get like a tune up or whatever, and they just did such an incredible job. You know, I heard you guys talking about the detailing that.
Josh:Jesus did yes, yeah, yeah.
Dusty Horton:And you were talking about like oh, nobody advertises that. Well, I got my bike back and the thing was shiny, Like I didn't even like new bikes know that it was a thing yeah, like, and I you know it's a nice shop and like they did very nice work and so I was so impressed and they don't have a BMX part in stock, like it's not like they're a BMX shop. Yeah, they're on a loop, so that's not what they're here to write.
Dusty Horton:But I thought, like this mechanic, and I had, like you know, a few chats with the mechanic about the bike and you know different problems and whatever, and and I just had so much faith and trust in them that I brought them my BMX bike when John sent me the new ditto frame and fork, so I had, you know, all the parts switched over from my old ditto to the new ditto when they came out with the model.
Josh:You really don't like working on bikes. If you took a brand new bike and had someone else build it for you. You hate working on bikes.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, it's not my favorite thing Right out.
Josh:Well, if you ever need to get it done free, just come drop it off for me. That's my Zen. I love to build.
Dusty Horton:Perfect, I'm happy to do that for you, yeah.
Dusty Horton:So shout out the transit, so yeah, they just did such an incredible job. So they took this BMX bike and they're not like BMX specialist, but these guys you know all the people there like grew up riding bikes, you know, and you just know they love it. So they had no problems. In fact, they had one problem with the old part that I brought them and they even, like without me knowing about it, they looked up ditto and got a hold of John. Oh, really, to say like, hey, what are you doing? This it's like went way out of the way. That's awesome, just such incredible work at that.
Josh:So we're going to we're going to reach out to those guys and see if we can get them on. I'd like.
Mike:I'd like to facilitate an introduction or something I'd be happy to. Yeah, yeah, cool.
Dusty Horton:Jenna and Sebastian are the two that I've worked with primarily there, and they're just both incredible people. So, yeah, all right, sweet.
Josh:So, dustin, you have like a super interesting story I'd love to hear like and I think our listeners would love to hear more about your story as much as you want to share with us, you know. So we've talked about Bill Joaquin, we've talked about SNM. A lot talked about you, don't? I don't know why it's such a theme. It's becoming a thing I'm going to. I feel like I'm going to have to give you a hug or something after this podcast. How did this? I told my wife, yeah, to embrace her mistakes. So she gave me a hug. You know what I mean.
Mike:So yes, I would appreciate a hug later. I would be a hug now because I think you're a mistake. Okay, just for the record.
Josh:Yeah, I'm going to say, I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say, I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say I don't want you to say anything like that, all right, yeah, we'd love to hear back.
Dusty Horton:Yeah, tell us about your background and like as much as you want to share we'd love to hear my favorite part about that kind of joke is that most people listening?
Mike:yeah, probably didn't even catch that. That was a joke.
Josh:No, it's actually not a joke. I was the best guy. There's always a little bit of truth in all those jokes, right? Oh man.
Mike:Dusty, you're bringing up the worst message. My side star number for this podcast is a good one.
Dusty Horton:Yeah for sure, for sure. Yeah, tell us about your background, man. So a magic tractor is driving down the road and it turns into a field Magic tractor, magic tractor.
Josh:So no driver, it's just driving on its own.
Dusty Horton:Well, it's a magic tractor. It's driving down an old country road.
Josh:And it turns into a field. Okay, is there a punch line?
Dusty Horton:This is what I like about this kind of joke.
Mike:Oh, it turns into a field. It's magic. It was a tractor, now it's a field.
Josh:Oh, punk rock that's good.
Dusty Horton:When I first heard that joke, somebody had to explain it to me, like I like where's the five minutes like? Going wait, okay, and then what Then?
Mike:what.
Josh:That's the rest of it.
Dusty Horton:Right. When you tell me the rest of it, I'm like I was on the floor.
Josh:I think I'm going to cut out this whole part and just stop it right at that and then move on to the next section. So our listeners never get a resolution. What's the punch line? Some guys on a sugar, using that, using it, do you have a bidet? I do not.
Mike:Oh my.
Josh:God. So Mike and I both have discovered the bidet. Like it was $30. It was mine, it's mine was 44.
Mike:But yeah, you got the good one.
Josh:Super cheap it is. It has been like awesome. It has changed our world and I don't know. I think I've told on the podcast, but like the first time I discovered, like I've even seen, a bidet. I was in Kuwait city back when I was in the Air Force.
Mike:Oh, I didn't know that.
Josh:By the way, if you're an American and you go to Kuwait, they absolutely love you. It's crazy, because we liberated them from the Iraqis when the Iraqis came in, and so it's like one of the places in the Middle East where everyone's like. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much.
Mike:So free bidets for the American Free bidets.
Josh:So I'm a young, I'm a young, I'm a young airman at the time, and I walk into this, this swanky hotel, and I've never been in a swanky hotel my whole life. The military put us up there for whatever reason. And I go to my room and I look down and there's two toilets and I'm like, huh, why is there two toilets? There's like a regular toilet that looks normal. And then there's this other toilet and it's got a little handle on the side. And so I walk up and I'm standing in front of it trying to handle on it and I turn the handle Right there, right in the kisser.
Josh:It soaked me and I walked downstairs. I only had one set of civilian clothes at the time, so I walked downstairs completely soaked and my commanding officer is like hey, airman, interesting, so you've discovered the bidet. You've discovered the bidet. I feel like, knew exactly what had happened in no way. What's that thing, what's it for? And then they told me I was like huh, huh, and I just put it. I put it on the back burner and I didn't think about it until about two months ago. Oh wow, and I bought one.
Mike:It's game changer.
Josh:So I'll put a link in the box.
Mike:Yeah To a bidet.
Josh:I really recommend, dusty, that if you get anything out of this podcast, spend the 40 bucks. 40 bucks, 40 bucks. Buy a bidet. It'll change your life, I promise.
Dusty Horton:I've heard that before, not the first time. No, I mean I mean other friends who get bidets. Like people who use bidets, talk about bidets. It's a big deal.
Josh:I've become that guy. Yes, I'm like a big day advocate. Maybe I should change the podcast from mountain bikes to bidets.
Mike:It's probably get more listeners.
Josh:I don't know we're going to lose our 18 to 27 year old female demographic, that's for sure. All right, man, I don't know how we've gotten so widely wildly off topic. We told you it was just a conversation.
Dusty Horton:Totally.
Josh:Yeah, definitely just a conversation. And you're probably sitting there thinking to yourself wait a minute, what happened to Dusty and Mike? Well, let me explain what's going on here. Basically, what happened was we did this recording with Dusty and when Mike and I went back and listen to it, we quickly determined that we actually had two kind of distinctly different topics. And the first topic that you just heard all about Dusty's kind of foray and the BMX, his background. We learned about the bikes that he's riding, type of tricks he likes to do. You know, just an awesome, awesome story with lots of laughter. We really enjoyed recording it. Actually, we enjoyed the entire recording. We hope you enjoyed what you were able to just listen to.
Josh:But the second half of that recording was a more serious topic and that was where Dusty was sharing his mental health journey with us and with you, and so we thought, after reviewing it a few times, that it would provide better access to our listeners if we broke this into two distinctly different topics the first one he just heard, the second one where Dusty takes us through his mental health journey. So, please, we released it the same day so you can pop right over if you're interested in that topic and you can listen to it. It's a super inspiring story here about how Dusty's the mental health journey that he's had and the balance that he's found and the techniques that he's used. We also mentioned in that podcast the crisis hotline of 988. And so if you're having struggles or thoughts of suicide or anything like that, please text or call the crisis hotline 988 in the United States. Thanks a lot for listening. We appreciate all of our listeners and hope you're having a great day. All right, take care.
Mike:Bye.