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108 - Zuma Bike Ranch & Phil’s World Trails: A Unique MTB Experience in Southwest Colorado.

• Josh Anderson & Dane Higgins

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Experience the diverse mountain biking terrain of Southwest Colorado with Jake Quigley, owner and operator of Zuma Bike Ranch in Cortez, Colorado. Strategically located at the northern part of Phil's World's expansive 62-mile trail network, this 40-acre mountain bike facility provides riders with direct trail access from their campsite. The unique location offers incredible variety, from high desert pinyon and juniper riding to technical canyon descents, with Durango and Telluride's alpine adventures just an hour away.

Jake shares his journey from outdoor industry professional to ranch owner, creating a comprehensive mountain bike experience that combines his expertise as BICP certified mountain bike instructor with world-class trail access. With over six years of professional coaching experience including being Ninja Mountain Bike Performance ‘instructor trainer’, Jake offers everything from private one-on-one skill sessions to group clinics. The ranch features custom-built training facilities including pump tracks, progressive jump lines, and technical drop zones, allowing riders to develop skills in a controlled environment before applying them to the extensive trail networks. 

The ranch serves as an ideal basecamp for exploring multiple trail systems including Phil's World, Boggy Draw's 70-mile network, and connections to the Colorado Trail. With local breweries, cideries, restored apple orchards, and authentic Southwest Colorado culture, Zuma Bike Ranch offers mountain bikers a complete adventure experience that combines world-class trails with professional instruction and regional charm.

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Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I feel like I was just here.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

You were just here, brother. It's a double header.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

So I got a buddy who did a bike race this last weekend.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

How'd he do.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

He did amazing. Oh, yeah, he's a barber. He's a mountain biking barber. Yeah, he's a mountain biking barber. And so he ended up winning. He won yeah, no shit, you know how, how do you win. He took barber.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

yeah, he's a mountain biking barber and uh, so he ended up winning. He won, yeah, no shit you know how?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

how do you win? He took a shortcut. Hey, I read that that's. I don't know. That's. That's patronizing. I feel like that's patronizing. Don't give a wah-wah, because it should be a total wah-wah. That wasn't bad delivery, right, I sucked you in.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I don't know, Jake. What do you think? How do you think you did?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

I thought it was pretty good, made me chuckle.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

It takes a lot to get me to laugh. You're just being nice. My jokes are horrible.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So we got a recommendation a while ago not that long ago from dave slagle yep from our mtb rides. He's a previous guest on the podcast and he said hey, I'm chilling up in cortez, colorado riding this weekend. It's freaking fantastic. You guys need to talk to mr jay quigley about what he's got going up here and going on up here and it is outstanding. And he sent us he actually sent us some pictures of the views and things like that yeah, it's, it's pretty amazing up there.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I have ridden up there you have, yeah, I've done phil's world. So, uh, from what I understand, jake, you're right near phil's world, so, and that trail network, and then we we usually hit phil's world on the way to durango oh right now, like when we do our trips, we'll do the friday drive, we'll end up in phil's world, do the ride there, and then we'll end up in durango friday night, set up camp, ride purgatory two days, and then flagstaff is monday and then back home, back home awesome.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So, jake, maybe you could take a second to introduce yourself. Man, who are you and what do you bring to the mountain bike community?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, my name's Jake and I live here in Cortez. We're actually on the town line between Cortez and Dolores. Our mailing address technically is Dolores, but my wife, jeannie, and I have lived here now for five years. I'm the owner and operator of the Zuma Bike Ranch.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

I say I'm the wearer of many hats. We are a parcel. We have a 40-acre parcel of land that adjoins the BLM land on the north and eastern border with Philzworld. So we are on the very north terminus of Philzworld and I got this crazy idea seven years ago that how cool would it be to create a space. You know, we all know the mountain bike community, how special it is, how cool a community that it offers folks a lot of stoke, a lot of fun. I very much saw that quite a bit when I was living in Tucson. That was where I was really first introduced to mountain bike clubs, so to speak. And so I got this crazy idea that I wanted to do something that was going to allow a space for mountain bikers to gather, enjoy each other, enjoy our world-class trails here in Montezuma County. And, uh, so yeah, started building trails, started building out a camp area and a bike park, and here we are four years later, four years later, wow.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

And here we are four years later. Yeah, four years later, wow. So so maybe for our listeners you can start to start by orienting them Like so you're in Colorado. Where? Where is your location when? Where is Montezuma County in Colorado?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Hold on, I have to take a drink, cause you said orientate.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Okay, that's our, that's our drinking game.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

If that's our drinking game. If that word comes up, you have to drink. So I hope, baby foot, right now you're listening and you take a drink.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Okay so where is Montezuma County in Colorado? Yeah, so southwest Colorado, we've got Dolores County, we've got San Juan County and we've got Montezuma County and we are kind of in that southwestern chunk of those three counties and that comprises the towns of Dolores, Cortez and Mancos, and Mancos is the town that separates us from Durango. So it's kind of this combination. As far as geology we're, we're like a high desert climate here. Okay, so a lot of pinyon and juniper forest. Uh, we do have canyons that start on the south end of the county and kind of branch up north and then those canyons eventually enter into the san juan mountains. So we're not far from rico, color, colorado, and then Telluride. We're about an hour away from Telluride, colorado. So we've got a lot of different types of riding. We've got high desert riding, we've got true Precambrian desert riding just to the east, which is more kind of like Moab riding, and then we have high alpine riding and we could be on the Colorado trail here in 45 minutes from the ranch.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Wow, and, and so I I know of that area because of Cortez trail trails, I'm sorry, because of Phil's world, and so if people want to look up this area and a little bit of the type of riding, you can look up Phil's world. What's another trail that they may find?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

if well before, before we even get to another trail, and we'll put a link to phil's world in the in the show notes yeah, I've never ridden phil's world like I've heard a lot about it. Like jake, tell us more like what's phil's world about?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

yeah, so phil's. Phil's is a trail network that started kind of as a rogue trail network, as a lot of trail networks start back in the 90s or whenever, and by this guy, phil and I excuse me, but I can't remember his last name. He passed away two years ago, but he was the instigator of building the original South Phil's network and since that time that was about 25 miles of trail and then a local trail stewardship organization started working with the BLM chapter here and continually built the network up to the north. So now the network is split up into three regions. You've got Phil's south, phil's middle, phil's North, and all three together are 62 miles of trail.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

What kind of riding is it Jake?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

You got everything from really smooth low elevation single track. South Phil's is very much known for the trail ribcage, which is a very fast, very fun trail, and there's a lot of others that are kind of in that really smooth, fast, flowy type trail, high desert kind of soil. So we get that clay, heavy soil that really compacts, becomes like a little concrete tread. And then the further north you go in Phil, the canyons get a little bit deeper, so that offers you a little more diversityyons get a little bit deeper, so that offers you a little more diversity in trail and a little more technical. So you got everything from smooth to techie, um, lots of different options to ride in the trail network here it's 62 miles right there, right out your back door yeah right, the northern terminus I'm looking at right now wow, and for our listeners, he's looking to his right, just over his shoulder, out the window, so this

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

this concept of having a place for mountain bikers to camp. Can you camp at Phil's world parking lot Like you can't?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

you cannot.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, and so, like when I go to a place and I want to go ride a trail if I'm traveling I just did a big trip with my family and a camper. This would be perfect to know about these places Because we did Los Ueno Bike Park, which I've talked about in San Diego, where you can go right to there. They have a campground and then they have a shuttle going right there from the campground up to the top of the mountain.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I think the future of mountain biking is to have something like this at each big trail network. I think it's it's a way for everybody to be super involved and get them to go out and, you know, get the families involved.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

And, of course, what we're talking about is the Zuma Bicycle Ranch, which you own and are the original operator and starter of that. As I understand it, Jake, Tell us some more about your bike ranch man.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, yeah, so the idea started around 2019, 2018. I was actually living in New Hampshire and I was working for a merino wool company there, and I met a woman at a trade show.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Wait, hang on a second. You went from merino wool to owning a bike ranch.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

I did, I did. You might be my hero right now. Go ahead.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

It was a very cool company.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Ibex Outdoor Clothing was the brand and we had a bike line, a merino wool bike line. We had shorts, bibs jerseys, and I was part of the product testing team there. All right, it was pretty neat. But I was internal sales and the Rockies was one of my regions, so I worked with our external reps. So I worked with our external reps and that's when I met this woman who owned the I think it's the Whitefish Bike Retreat was the name of her, her outfit, and it was a little bit different.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

She was right there on a main trail network as well, on the Whitefish Mountain Trail, and I was just blown away by this concept she came up with, which. She had a little lodge. It was nothing special, um, but she had her own little trail network and she was right out the door to a much larger trail network and I was just like how cool is that? So I got a crazy idea of putting chicken scratch on paper and starting a business plan idea of putting chicken scratch on paper and starting a business plan.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And my wife and I knew we were going to come back to Colorado after she was done with school, so I started. We started looking at areas we wanted to land and then I kind of formulated this big checklist Okay, we're going to look for land that just got to have this and this and this and this and we just found the ideal spot here, where we are, on a canyon. I've been a professional mountain bike instructor for six years, so I've traveled the country doing a lot of that, both with another company and then on my own, and one of the biggest tricky things is finding a trail network with everything you need to run like a full weekend long, you know, trail mountain bike clinic.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Right.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And I took all that and basically had the luxury of building everything I need right here on the ranch.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Wow, that's have you. Have you? Have you reached out to manufacturers, product manufacturers?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Why would he do that?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Well, cause what we're testing for testing. So in in Tucson and in Sedona we've done a lot of podcasts with different product managers and stuff from different companies and they struggle for they struggle for location. They struggle for a location where they can get everybody together, that they can get everything done. They can do their media camp, they can do everything.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

It's got the diversity of trail that they need.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, test all the different products Exactly and do it without a lot of prying eyes. You know, sometimes it's prototype work or it's product or stuff and I feel like you know, you, sure sure sure, and I feel like you've got a niche that they could.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I think you just signed us up for an action man, yeah serious, I think you just signed us up to hook Jacob.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I think I did.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Well, we talked about this with Shimano when we were doing the XTR launch stuff and I know that we've talked I've talked to SRAM about it.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And I know.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

DVO was just out in Tucson and they were running into the same thing, trying to figure out a place where they can they can test product, you know, and have everything in one spot and not be super inconvenient and driving all over the place, you know. So that'd be, I feel, like you. You've got a good thing going there, that that that's another avenue for you to maybe look at, but what is it that you got going there, jake?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

tell us more about the ranch and like in, like how's it set up? What do you offer in mountain bikers? Yeah, yeah, so we offer a couple different things. In the services realm. I do private instructions. So I'll work one-on-one with folks, uh, based very specifically on on different riding goals. You know, where do they want to get in their riding? What sort of skills do they really really want to hone in on? So I like working one-on-one with folks because that offers me a really really good opportunity to ask, like, where are you at with your riding and where do you want to be by the end of this season or the end of next week or whatever?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

and you can tell I'd like to do that, tailor that instruction, private clinics.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

So I'll get a lot of people that will approach me and say, hey, I've got three friends and we're all kind of at that same level of riding and we want to work on jumping or we want to work on drops or technical climbing. So that's cool too, because you get that people all are in a very similar wheelhouse from a skill perspective and are looking for a very, very significant, um, specific outcome. And then I offer, uh, public clinics. So I'll break things down into like, uh, a fundamental clinic where people that are maybe newer to riding, or people that have been riding for like 20 years but never really got any sort of instruction 50 years ago, when all the different ski resorts around the world started saying, well, if we're going to teach this sport, there's got to be like a way to do it that we're not all teaching it different ways in different continents. And that's where PSIA came from and that's very much where mountain biking is at right now, which is really cool. So, yeah, I offer those clinics.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

The other thing that we've been offering, which has been really cool, is we've been renting the property to other mountain bike companies, organizations, specifically instruction companies and companies that certify mountain bike instructors. So this season we had Ninja Mountain. Pike Performance comes and I'm an instructor trainer for that company, so they come out and do a clinic twice a year. Uh, we recently had a local woman's program called Dirty Wheels, based out of Durango. They just uh three weeks ago they did a woman's retreat. It was a three-day retreat, 20 participants and I think they had eight coaches here all weekend. It's fantastic, that's so funny.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I think one of the girls from Dirty Wheels actually works for me. Oh really, Small world.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Keep going, Jake.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Then we had BICP was here, and they're one of the two.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

The Insane Clown Posse was there. Wait a minute. The Insane Clown Posse was there.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I don't think that's what he's saying. Yeah, the ICP, that's. That's a band from Detroit, a rap band.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I'm sorry. Here we go on the random.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Juggalo reference.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Dude the Juggalos are legit. The random Juggalo reference.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Jake's looking at us like he has no idea what you're talking about. Just for the reference, jake, after this I'll send you some links to some insane clown posse music.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yes, yeah, I'd like to hear it All right, b-i-c-p. I have to throw in a little bit.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Yes, I know, every once in a while this is what you do. If we don't chuckle, it's not worth it. Okay, b-i-c-p. Keep going, keep going, jake. Sorry that we interrupted you.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

No, no problem at all. Yeah, so we had that back in June and July, so that was really cool. And then in September just in a little over a month we're going to have Ladies All Ride is doing a women's bike retreat here as well Awesome.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

That's awesome. So, like big retreats and events.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

So what's your space? Like, Like you've got your. Is it just a campground? You said you have a bike park. Do you have a little bike park? I do yeah, so tell us about that.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, so our property is 40 acres. About a third of that is up on a plateau and the other two-thirds falls down into a canyon and a draw. Two-thirds falls down into a canyon and a draw. Um, so the bike park we have is up on, you know, a flat area of the land and I have a drill zone, I have a tabletop jump line, I have a pump track, uh, I have like a drill zone where I have a bunch of different features, um, a lot of them inspired by fork tut hill, which I'm sure both of you are familiar with.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, that's in Flagstaff. Yeah, that's amazing.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And then I have about two miles of trail that I've built and very specifically built trail based on the, the geology of the hillside and the draw we have a lot of slick rock, we have a lot of steep features. We have a lot of slick rock, we have a lot of steep features. So my trails have been built specifically around taking skills to trail after.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

I work on drills, so I have a cornering trail called TV Dinner. I have another fun trail called Wiley's Way. Then we have a trail called Six Shooter and another trail called Rabbit Hole. So we've got fun trails, they're all different. And then we have a trail called six shooter and another trail called rabbit hole. So we've got fun trails, they're all different. And uh, then we have a drop zone and we have two drops Bonnie and Clyde.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Nice, and then you said you have a lot of fun to be had on your bike here. Yeah, and then you have camping on on site.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

We do. We have eight basic campsites and we have a heated shower, heated sun shower. It's kind of cool. It's an outdoor shower. It's probably the biggest amenity that people rave the most about in their Google reviews. And then we just we do porta potties because it's the most environmentally friendly, it's the easiest and the company that provides us those. They're really nice and we keep them good and clean. So that's that's the route we decided to go there.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

That makes sense.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So what's the total occupancy? How many people can you fit into your camp zone at one time?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Uh, we have eight campsites. Uh, one vehicle per site. Usually that's anywhere between one and four people, so four times eight.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

32 okay, yeah, and then private events will adjust.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

That, you know, because that's a private event. So you know, if they want to go a little bit over that number, we can definitely make that work, because sometimes they have vendors come and vendors will want to set a tent up and they'll have their own vehicles and stuff like that and do you have seasons like uh, yeah, like when is a good time to ride?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

yeah, like, do you guys ride ride 24 7, 365, or do you guys have seasons that you, you operate?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

uh, the climate here offers us, surprisingly, almost year-round riding. Oh, that's nice. One of the areas just to the west of us is the Canyon of the Ancients National Monument, and part of that is called Sand Canyon. It's one of the only, if not the only, national monuments you can ride a mountain bike on. Oh, that's cool, which is pretty special, and I've ridden that trail network in January and and february every year we've lived here, oh wow.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And phil's world is usually about a nine month riding season. You know, come, come november we can get a snowfall, and some winters are big, some winters are small, but usually the soil given the freeze thaw plus the moisture moisture fills are usually shut down for three months.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Does it fills the world? Get hot in the summer.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

It does get warm. This year we had a very mild spring. We had 70s all the way up through July 4th and then July 4th hit and we've been in the high 80s, low 90s um most every day. That's not hot, no.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I know, given your, your weather, of course when you said you're an hour from Telluride. Is that the closest like pine tree riding or is there closer pine tree riding?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

uh, closest pine tree riding to us actually is not far. Um, we graduate once you start driving North to Dolores, the town you graduate up into Ponderosa pine forest.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Is there a trail?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Oh, there's a there's another large trail network up there called Boggy draw. Oh, that's got 70 miles of trail.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, Uh, that's what Dave mentioned, that you guys hit uh while you're out there, yeah, so that's a really cool area, yeah, and that's close to mentioned that you guys hit while you were up there. Yeah, that's a really cool area, yeah, and that's close to you, so you could be a good hub for jumping off to doing different trails around the area.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah yeah. And Boggy's a great trail network to just put lots of miles in. It is just above McPhee Reservoir, which is a very I think, one of the largest reservoirs in the southwest Colorado, and it doesn't have big elevation gain and loss. A lot of the trails are not very technical, so you could just put in 30, 40, 50 miles within a pretty decent time just because you're making ground, and so it's a fun early season space to go to get your legs back. It's great for families, it's great for, you know, newer riders that are looking for something fairly simple and easy and aren't interested in all the technical riding out there. So it could. It's also a good diversity for for all our riding networks around.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

So if somebody stays with you, do you have like a maps you give them, or like, if they're like, hey, I'm going to stay there and I have three days of writing, do you have like?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

yeah, what are the top three places you would recommend they write?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Not only that, but like what levels of assistance do you give them? You know, from from zero, I guess. To like guided tours, like where are you at?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Right, yeah, we. Um, I try to make it a point to meet every guest. So anytime we get a camper, uh, each campsite has a little placard and you know, before people arrive their camp pad gets raped and I put stickers on their placard and a welcome, and then I try not to be obtrusive but I come down on my bike and just say hello and it always ends up in a fun conversation and people are always interested in yeah, tell us where we need to ride. So I'm always giving out trail beta, which is a lot of fun, and we get campers from all over the place around the world. I would say we intentionally market it as a bike ranch, so everybody that comes here is a biker.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

That's cool All the vehicles have bikes on them.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And you just get to meet these people and give them the intel of not only where should they go ride, but you know where are the good restaurants, You've got great breweries, You've got a cidery, you know you've got two really good bike shops. So I really try to get people to get into the community and visit all the cool things we've got, whether it's before or after their ride.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So maybe double click on that a little bit. Tell us about the local amenities that are there, not too far from you, that folks can partake in.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, yeah, so we're 10 minutes equidistant from Cortez and downtown Dolores, each town. Cortez is our bigger town, that's the one that's going to have the fast foods, the Walmarts, the grocery stores, and it also has our biggest bike shop, oldest bike shop, cocopelli Bike and Board, and their fantastic shop. We have a brewery there, wild Edge Brewing. We've got a couple of really good restaurants, a lot of cool events. We have a local radio station there and then, if you go to Dolores, we also have a brewery.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

In Dolores we have the sister store to Cocopelli Bike and Board, which might be one of the coolest bike shops I've ever been in, because it's inside an old mercantile building that's been restored. So I always tell people if you're going to go to the Dolores bike shop, ask for a tour, and Scott will always give people the lowdown on this. Used to be a meat processing plant and they have the original, you know, chain elevator that would bring the sides of beef down into the ice and then back up, and so that's a really cool town, also a couple of really good restaurants and coffee houses up there. And then we have Mancos, to the east, and that's a pretty cool town too. That's something I haven't mentioned is in Mancos. We're also in the San Juan National Forest and there's a lot of high alpine riding there as well. That also bridges up to the Colorado Trail.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Wow. So it sounds like you've got, just within like a 30-minute drive of where you're at, kind of riding that could facilitate or please any level of rider. Is that a fair assessment?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

That is absolutely a fair assessment.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

And so somebody can drive camp at your place.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Get knowledge of what's going on At the Zuma Bicycle Ranch.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Zuma Bicycle Ranch. But they can just set up camp there. They can make it their base camp, they can get when they get there, they're not just getting a campsite. So the reason I say this is because I just went through this where we had to figure out where to camp on our trip. We really did it trying to figure out where to go.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

For context, Dane did a cross-country trip from Tucson up to Whistler.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, oh, a cross country trip from Tucson up to Whistler yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Oh, wow, yeah, and back, and so we basically every night camped somewhere. Sometimes we spent two days, you know, like at Yosemite or the Redwoods but, and at Whistler we were there for three days but pretty much had to figure out a way along the way so somebody could hit your place and hit all of these things from one spot. That was one of the hardest things in my travels that I had was evaluating so a little sidebar, we were going into Sidequest that's what people say.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Sidequest Sidequest.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Sidecar. So we were going to Idaho Falls and we needed just a place to stay overnight because we were meeting my wife's friend who lived there, so we didn't want to camp too far out of town and have to drive back into town. And so I think she found like a KOA or one of those camp companies that lists them. It's like a KOA. I'm picturing a Bob or something, I can't remember, but anyway, so it looked good. It's like oh, we got trees and we got a playground and we got a pool and showers, you know. So you're like oh, this sounds great. We show up and it's next to this huge, like grain silo, like an industrial park, you know like our view was that.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

You know what I mean, and it it looked great online, but it you only got this idea. You know from that, and so having.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I can tell you you're not going to see that at the zuma bike no, but that's what I mean is like as somebody who's traveling, especially if you're traveling with bikes, having a bike specific camping place and having that knowledge that when you get there somebody is going to help you find trails. You know like you usually don't have the time to sit there and figure everything out, or it's really intensive. You guys can kind of cut a lot of corners for them so they can travel to Colorado Phil's World, which is world famous, hit that trail and then see a bunch more and you can help them do that and that's a big advantage. So I'm just pointing that out as somebody who just went through this and I could use that.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Jake, you mentioned a couple things that I don't know, so I'm going to double-click on those things real quick. The first thing you said was cidery that I don't know what is a cidery.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

A cidery is a fermentation process that takes apples and makes alcoholic beverages out of them and interestingly enough, this valley I think it was up till the 1950s was one of the country's largest exporters of apples, and that just blew me away. I was like we're high desert, how do we produce apples? But there are orchards all over this valley and most of them are dormant or dying and an organization started called the Montezuma Orchard Restoration Project and they partnered with this cidery business and started offering landowners that had existing orchards on their land to buy their apples. Say, let's get these orchards healthy, up and back and running. So now we've got orchards that are kind of making a comeback. They'll never be exporting apples, but this two cideries now are buying apples and so all the apples that are used for their products are sourced right here in the county.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

That's cool, that is cool. My wife loves apple ciders.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Okay. So the next thing you said and we should know this and I'm probably going to get this wrong, so you're going to have to correct me but you talked about the I think you said PSAA standards for instruction. Do I have that right?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, PSIA.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

PSIA.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Papa.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Sierra India.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, what is that?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

so tell us about psia, because dane and I don't know what you're talking about so that stands for professional ski instructor association and that is back in the 1950s that that entity began, after a national effort to simplify and standardize how the sport of skiing is taught.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Because, you know, europe taught it one way, the US taught it another, canada taught it another, south America had their own way, taught in another, south America their own way, and it just everyone started to think you know what? Let's just figure out what's the best way to teach this sport. And so PSIA is the lead agency that if you want to become a ski instructor, you're going to get certified at one level or another to then, whether you work at a ski resort and you work for their ski school, or you pursue becoming a private instructor. And mountain biking went through that same process in the late 90s, early 2000s. So now if you want to pursue becoming a mountain bike instructor, there are two organizations. One is based in British Columbia, the other is based here in Colorado, and they are the international standard. So most larger mountain bike instruction companies, if you want to go work for them, you're going to have to have some level of certification.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

And so I'm picking up, based on what you talked about first, that a big part of your business plan and your business model and your objective is around instruction. How did you get into being a mountain bike instructor.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Well, that brings me back to when I was in Tucson and John Hyman, who at the time was owner of Southwest Trucking. We moved out there and I had stepped down from working on the vendor side in the outdoor industry and we knew we were only going to be in Tucson for a year and I was like I need a job. And a friend of mine at that time, um, knew of this company and so I I gave him a call and I talked to John and John and I sat down for a cup of coffee and he's an interesting guy, and he said, well, yeah, I would be interested, but I got to see a ride. So I went up to the jw marriott, yeah, one day.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

a little bit nervous and we went out for a ride there, uh, on the genser trails, and I guess I passed this test. He hired me, and so that was the beginning of my my career in mountain bike guiding, which then grew into mountain bike instructing.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

What was the process like? What did it take to become a certified mountain bike instructor?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

The first thing I did was this company, ninja Mountain Bike Performance, this company, ninja Mountain Bike Performance.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

They're the largest company now in the world as far as teaching mountain biking and I was introduced to them through a friend and they had me shadow one of their clinics in Sedona and I met a couple of their instructors there and I rode with them and they said, yeah, you know, we'd love it if you would consider becoming an instructor, but you need to go get your certification. So I did, I pursued that. I utilized BICP at the time to get my level one and that cleared me with Ninja to become an instructor and I started off as an assistant instructor there and then, about a year in, I was hired up to a lead instructor and as the company grew, we had to have some way to keep tabs and the level of quality of our instruction. So we created a team of instructor trainers there were nine of us originally around the country and we basically were there for our instructors to help them with the curriculum, help them with their own rider development based on.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

You know, what are your aspirations in mountain bike instruction? Do you want to just be an assistant or do you eventually want to be a lead. What levels of mountain biking do you want to teach? So I've. I've done that ever since.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Are you okay if we double click a little bit on the instruction thing, cause I'm super interested in this. Is that okay?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

with you.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Jake. So so I imagine, at this point you've instructed many, many people at all different levels.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Could you help us maybe understand, like what are the top? Yes, if you're a beginning rider or if you've been riding for 20 years, the dynamics with modern bikes and us on the bike is it's such a dynamic relationship between the two that back in the late 90s or even late 80s, you know we were on these rigid bikes, hard forks, and we were very much just on these bikes for the ride.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

You know the bikes were on and on. Hold on and try to survive.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, and what's changed is, you know these bikes have become such dynamic vehicles. You know, when it comes to technology of suspension and the geometries now and the dropper post, we all know how much a game changer that was. Absolutely so. It's fundamental skills. Just learning your way around this dynamic bike and the best you know UCI racers, you'll see they always come back to fundamental skills. We call them bike body separation skills. We call them bike body separation and it's the relationship to us, our upper bodies, where we carry the majority of our weight in the center of mass of that bike and, depending on what the trail is uphill, downhill, cornering it's that constant dynamic relationship about shifting and aligning your center of mass with that bike center of mass.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I call it whipping your bike wherever whenever and however you want, based on the terrain Interesting Okay.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

That's number one. What's number two? Number two getting the right techniques when things get technical. You know, we all know, particularly you guys in Tucson has some of the most challenging riding in the lower 48. You can get hurt pretty easy right.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Regularly Sorry. Fort Tuthill is a perfect example. Bentonville would be another one that I teach at, where I see a lot of people getting way over their heads, whether it's on a jump line or a wooden drop deck zone, and they think they could just do it, and I've seen some pretty big crashes as a result of that, and it's one of those things where if you just invest money, a couple hours of your time and money to learn how to do it right, you're going to be safer, you're going to be more controlled and when you're those two things together, you're going to be more confident and you're going to become a better rider a lot faster.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Right on. So so you talked about bike. Body separation is number one and and I loved your, your quote there, um, could you restate it for me, the quote that you said whipping your bike around?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, whipping your bike around wherever, whenever, however you want.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I also call it the dance.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

When people come to my clinics. I said y'all don't know it, but you signed up for a dance class.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I like that because it's really about being fluid and loose and adjusting adjusting your, your technique, to the, to the terrain as it as it comes upon you yeah, yeah, I, I know the bike body separation thing, something I've heard all the time had a hard time kind of understanding what it really meant you have to stand up to get that to happen but I, I do stand up, you, you're just giving me shit, um, but uh wait we should give Jake some context, so like.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

so, dane is. Dane is a downhill racer, I'm an old school old school downhill racer.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

So some of the terms that are new. Yeah, you, you don't have like we talked about in geometry and like bike design and stuff.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Uh and stuff. Uh, I'm used to older terms, so what's an old way of saying bike body separation? Like, um, I don't know if there is one, dane, so is this a new thing which?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

would, which would exactly exemplify your writing, the. The funny thing is is that dane is two times, maybe three times, faster than me. I'm a intermediate rider. At best he's's an expert rider Race semi-pro downhill racer and I ride behind him and I've taken a bunch of lessons and courses and instruction and my wife is amazing they're trying to get her to be an instructor so I try to do all the things that I'm supposed to do probably all the things that you teach and then I go ride with Dane, who does none of them but rides three times faster than me. It's fantastic. So it doesn't surprise me that you're not tracking with the bikes.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Body separation well, and it's not so much that I don't even know what that means. You know, like, uh, when I learned, I didn't. I never took a lesson, you know. So, like he said, there's people that that have been riding for years. Don't think they need a lesson.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I want to take lessons now because I want to relearn well, it sounds like we got a trip to the right exactly, yeah but the bike body separation, like jody coach, jody talks about that and I'm like what does that mean? Like your bike away from your body yeah, but I do that okay. Well then you're doing, you just don't know the term okay, so like standing standing up yeah, drop your seat, post all the way down to start.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I can't do that. I have to use my knees.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Uh, but uh you're keeping your bike connected to your body connected to your body.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, that's. That's an anomaly.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Well, he is an anomaly, he's a weird, a weird person to.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

to be fair, I have bad knees and so I have a hard time putting all of my weight on my knees, and so when I go into a corner I will have my post halfway down, not all the way, you know. You know we brought this up in the podcast before.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I kind of I chuckle, cause people will come in and buy a $300 dropper post in order to get two inches more of that post in the bike yeah To get two more inches of drop and I'm like I never use more than a hundred millimeters of post drop, even if I've got 150, um, because I always use my thighs and my legs to brace against my saddle. So when I'm going, yeah so.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So maybe we can get a little free coaching. Jake, you can tell Dane why that's wrong.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Well, I and I don't know if, if I have a physical limitation that causes that so, or if it's just a technique thing.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So yeah, what do you think? What would you say if Dan came in and you were coaching Dane and he saw him just 30 miles an hour down the trail, just absolutely ripping like you're struggling to keep up with him, but his technique is like not what you would teach. What would you tell him?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Well, first thing I'll say, Dane, is I was always the late adopter of technology on bikes. You know, when front suspension came, I was like, eh, who needs that? Rear suspension? Eh, I don't need that. And when I went to Sedona to meet these bike instructors, I also did not have a dropper on my Santa Cruz. And everyone was like, oh, it's such a game changer. And I was like, eh, I could ride everything, I don't need a dropper. But I knew if I showed up as an apprentice without a dropper on my bike I was going to be laughed away. Yeah, so I actually went and I bought the dropper the week before I went to Sedona to shadow that clinic and riding with these guys, one of them made the comment Jake, you don't use your dropper very much, I've gotten that comment before.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

But, yeah, I think that people do what works for them when it comes. You mentioned that. You know you have some limitations, whether it's due to past injury or something else, but there are definitely people that you have to work around their, their body dynamics. Some people aren't as as flexible as others and you'll have to kind of you know, accommodate for that or or at least have that understanding that, okay, this person might not be able to lean that bike down as far as I want them to, Um, but there's always ways around that.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Um, I think people like yourself you know you've raced at a really high level, right? So the riding that you do works, and I've, if I've ridden with you, I don't remember it, but I've ridden with a lot of people that make their own riding work because they've just done it for that long riding work, because they've just done it for that long. With people like that, I ask them to just be open sponges and try something different. Um, I have a good friend here who is a former world cup pro cross-country racer and when we ride together, he he gets very, very frustrated because he refuses to try some of the newer skills of mountain biking, and anytime we get to a very, very gradual downhill. You know, let's say like a quarter mile downhill, and his MO is to pedal through all that. And I use pressure control, where I don't pedal at all, I just use.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

You know the rises and valleys in the trail and all of my body weight and as we're going down these trails, I'll pull further and further and further away from him, and it drives him absolutely nuts. But he refuses to try what I suggest. So we, we have a lot of fun giving each other a hard time about that, and it's. It's not that one way is better than another. You know, uh, we're as instructors.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

I'm not here to say, hey, your, your way of writing is wrong and mine is right, it's just a different. I call it new school riding. It's, it's a different riding than I used to do back in college. Um, it's made me such a stronger rider, just because it always gives me something to think about on trail. You know, for years and years I would just ride and it's great fun, but I could say after a while my riding kind of plateaued because it was, uh, not that it was boring, but it was. You never really thought about it, you just went down the trail. And then, once I learned all these different things that you can do and think about when you're riding based on the trail, it's just, it's brought a whole different level of riding out for me yeah, I.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I my I'm getting my kids into it, which is really fun, and I'm not a good instructor, uh you are I, I try, but I don't. I, you know, one of the things that instructors do that I think is a real skill is they get something to click. You know they get that to click with somebody.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah and I have a harder time I over explain. But, uh, I took my daughter, I talked my daughter's team, or NICA team, into going out to the pump track one night and cause my daughter didn't quite understand. You know why are we going to the pump track? And I love, love the pump track. My son loves the pump track and my daughter's like I don't, this isn't, this isn't what I need, you know, you know for cross-country racing, and I'm like it totally is. And then, yeah, uh, you know, I would show her how, basically, you can pick up speed, like you were talking about. You can use your mass and your momentum to push down on the down slope and actually pick up speed and then unweight yourself, uh, reduce friction on the, on the, on the uphill, and then so you can, you can literally ride the entire pump track with never pedaling, which is awesome and that's.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

That's what we challenged all the kids to do is like that was the goal. You've got a tonight, you're going to ride the pump track and the goal is to, at the end of this, be able to ride the entire pump track with never pedaling. So and that's something that, when you apply it to the trail, it's free speed, you know.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Oh yeah, and that's how I describe it, yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Exactly, and so there's there's really good uses for all of these things. So I love that you're out doing that and like showing people that. I love to hear that there's somebody else out there that's stuck in their old ways. So, like you know, your world cup buddy, you know cause mine is the biggest thing is I speed jump and that's my. I'm trying to overcome this huge uh habit and like need to speed jump. When I hit a double uh jump or a table, I suck it up like crazy.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I get almost zero height off of that thing and then I push down the backside as fast as I can, and I'm very fast, you know, but I'm the most un like, uh, impressive.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Unsteasy.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Unsteasy, unrizzy. Um, I'm very skibbity, ohio on my sorry, that's my son's language. Um, I am I have no no like style at all Like the most boring guy to watch. Hit a jump, you know, and then my buddy will pop off the jump. I will waste him by a minute on a downhill and but everybody wants to see him cause he pops off that jump and has this cool looking hang time and just gets the bike sideways and does a whip and stuff, and so that's what I'm trying to learn and relearn.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

But when I'm scared, uh. So like I was testing this framework spike, and when I hit a jump the first time on a new bike, I went right back to that old habit. I sucked that jump up, you know, and sailed over it and just backsided it, no problem but, and picked up a ton of speed. But it was the most boring thing to see because you're like your foundations are rooted in racing.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yes, yeah, and that's the thing is. I'm trying to break free of that and that's really hard to do so, so I'm definitely gonna be taking some lessons to try and fix that.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

So yeah, yeah, Come you know, when you come and visit we'll, we'll do a jump clinic.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

That's what probably one of my favorite things to teach.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, standing up at the jump is something that you know it's like, yeah, people just say it, but trying to do it and to remember and you just got to practice over and over again.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

My wife and son took a jump clinic in the last couple months from Joanna Yates up in Sedona.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Joanna was here last week, was she? Oh nice, right on, yeah, great, we love Joanna, yeah In. Oh nice, right on yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Great, we love Joanna. Yeah, in fact, she's a real jump clinic.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

Oh nice, very cool. Yeah, she probably taught some of that stuff to Lacey, but my wife kind of was teaching me and we've got a little jump line here in one of our trails it's Fantasy Island and the jumps aren't very big.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

No-transcript it works. Oh my god, it works.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

They're not the best timing no, they're not the best timing you have to like slow down in the middle they definitely could be better designed. Jake, I hate to do this to you, man, but we are like kind of gear nerds and you know Dane owns a bike shop. I have a, a bike shop here. I'm uh in my garage here. I'm really interested in like what you're riding uh. Is that will kind of help tell us more about the type of trails that you have there?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

yeah, uh, I am a brand ambassador for revel bikes in carbondale, colorado, outstanding.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

I'm glad that they're still sticking around, man.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Glad that they are still sticking around, glad that Adam got the company back and is bringing it back to its roots. Super cool company. I've known a couple of people there and back in my days working at Ibex, that company reminded me a lot. Pretty small in-house crew, yeah, and they're just really cool people, really passionate about the bikes they build from a research standpoint, all the way to supporting nonprofits, and so, yeah, I ride the Rascal and I also have the Rail 29.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Nice I borrowed a Rascal and got to ride it.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

surprised the heck what are the suspensions of those those two frames?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

canfield cv. Cbp is the suspension type but what?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

what is the?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

because I've got a ranger sitting in my garage right now but that's like their cross-country bike, right, yeah, so so rascals 130 rear, 140 front or one Rascal is 130 rear, 140 front or 150?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Rascal is 140 front, 130 rear and the Rail is 160 front, 155 rear, but they just replaced the Rail 29, and I'm bummed about that because I love that bike If you know anyone.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

I got a medium. I got one in the shop, a medium right now that we're trying to sell. It's set up 170 155 you don't overstroke everything man, yeah, you know what we're.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

We're in rockville, tucson, you know. And so a little bit taller in the front end keeps your bottom bracket up and you pedal strike less. So I can tell you, at cortez not as big a deal because it's pretty smooth rolling, like he's. At least the trails that I wrote at Phil's world were smooth rolling. They definitely have rocks there, but here it's like rock gardens. You, you, you practically lived at star pass. You know how it is there. So yeah. Yeah.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, so what do you? Ride trails.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

What do you ride more? Do you ride the rail or Rascal more?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

You know I got to say I ride the Rail 2.9 more. When they first came out with that bike, I was talking to Matt Hoogenboom, their VP of sales, and my good friend Brian Danz, who at the time worked for the company, who's also a mountain bike instructor, and he said you got to get on this bike. Who's also a mountain bike instructor. And he said you got to get on this bike. I like to climb. I'm one of those sick people that likes really nasty, gnarly long climbs for some stupid reason.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

So I immediately dismissed that bike because I was like a bike with 155, a travel in the back is not going to be able to climb. So they went to the Telluride Blues and Brews Festival and brought a bunch of their bikes and they called me up and they said hey, we're going to be just north of you. If you want to come ride that bike, you should come ride it. So I did. I went up and actually took Adam Miller's bike out for a ride and I took it up. This trail called the Jeb Weeby Trail, which is basically two miles of absolute hell trail called the Jeb Weeby trail, which is basically two miles of absolute hell, and I I'd be damn that thing climb like a Billy goat and I was just blown away. A bike with that much travel in the back and it's that Canfield platform. You know, I've seen a lot of different suspension designs and there's just something about that platform that makes it perform. So I was like, all right, that's the next bike I want, send me one, yeah yeah, yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

After riding that rascal I was really surprised we were testing it right before they announced they were going out of business and we were looking at them for the shop and yeah, we were at the sedona bike festival talking to them about you potentially carrying them.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Yeah, and we were pretty much getting ready to sign them on and bring their bikes in and then they made that announcement and it was like it sucked. I had that bike in my garage and I had just ridden it. I rode it on a night ride and was out doing Maddie on the e-bike, my son Out running your son who's on an e-bike, and I'm on this, this rascal, and I just felt like superman on that bike and that's rare, you know. Usually the bike has to be super light for me to feel like that. And that bike wasn't particularly light, you know, statically, but it rode so well, you know, and I was kind of excited about it. And then they made that announcement and kind of killed it and we ended up bringing a different brand in instead and then they announced that they're back a little more limited for bike shops. I guess for bike shops they're just doing frames now.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yes, yeah, sounds like they're moving, at least for the short term, back to that B2C model to kind of get the, the, the brand back in a solid footing.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

And it's super easy to get back your footing back.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

You don't have to establish a bunch of contracts, you can just hit the ground running, get some money going, and then they can kind of expand dealer networks later. So it makes sense.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

So, Jake, how can our listeners find you? What's the what's the best way Like? If they're online, how can they find you?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Best way to find us is our website zoomabikeranchcom. From a camping, you can make a reservation on that website. You can also go to Hip Camp. Hip Camp. We're listed on that as well and on the website. Just reach out to me directly, jake at zumo bike ranchcom nice, awesome, jake, we really appreciate you taking some time.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

We're excited to kind of get up. I don't know if it'll be maybe in the spring or something.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

Then we head out yeah, I gotta figure out a few trips, but yeah, yeah, maybe spring or fall we'll do a guru trip out to zuma yeah, that'd be awesome. We're doing um gooseberry, so I have to look and see logistics for that.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah yeah, so let's get that. Oh yeah, yeah, make your way up here.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Higgins:

On your way there yeah, maybe you know like, especially if we're doing another durango trip, we can. I love stopping in cortez so we can hit there. You know, stop there and then ride from there yeah maybe do it as a clinic.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

That'd be really fun to stop jump out get a little training clinic for half a day and then head into Durango. So we'll definitely figure that out. Jake, thanks for taking the time with us tonight. Do you have any final thoughts for our listeners?

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

I don't know. I just always like to say come and meet some other people here. You know, one of the one of the coolest things that I see here is we have two dogs and you'll get two or three different campers that come to stay, don't know each other and oftentimes they, you know, we'll be out on a hike with the dogs and I'll see those three people out on a ride together.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

And you know our bike community. I mean, that's just uh proof's in the pudding. You bring bikers together and they're going to hang out together. Um, and I think that's the most special part about our sport is that it brings people together through this passion, and we're lucky enough to have a spot to do that, to facilitate it. So come and come and visit.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson:

That's awesome, brother. Thank you for your time and thanks for what you do for the mountain bike community. Again, zumobikeranchcom. If you're interested, check it out. Southwest Colorado amazing trails Sounds like a sweet place. We need to go. Heavily recommended by Dane's Ridden Trails out there and also our previous guest Dave Slagle, so check it out. Really appreciate you, Jake. Thanks a lot, brother. Thanks.

Jake Quigley - Zuma Bike Ranch:

Yeah, josh Dane. Thank you so much and hope to see you soon. Thank you.

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Dane "Suspension Guru" Higgins

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Josh "Magellan" Anderson

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