The REALationship Method
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The REALationship Method
'Speak My Language', 10 Day Movement Mission, and Does Heartbreak Make Better Music?, with Kali Flower
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A song can be a postcard from home or it can be a line in the sand. Kali Flower joins us in person for a super real conversation about coming back to Hawaii, feeling that instant reset, and still carrying the pressure of family expectations, big dreams, and a limited window to see everyone you love. We talk about the questions that always pop up when you visit home, how to show up without resenting the schedule, and why protecting your timeline matters when you’re building a life with purpose.
We also get into the story behind her new single “Speak My Language” and the 10-day mission to promote it. What starts as a marketing plan turns into something deeper: connecting with people, reclaiming what Hawaii represents, and pushing back on outsiders trying to define the culture. If you’re into independent music, artist branding, music marketing, and real behind-the-scenes industry talk, this one lays it out with zero fluff.
Then we go craft and relationships. Kali breaks down her songwriting process, why heartbreak often makes better music than healing, and how world-building shapes what makes the cut for a project. We talk choreography and breath control training, balancing a Sephora day job with late-night performances, and the hard relationship questions artists face: can love survive an artist schedule, is “support” enough, and what boundaries keep you steady with exes and old doors that do not need reopening. We close with discernment, faith, and the difference between a good opportunity and a God opportunity when everything looks tempting.
If this conversation hits, subscribe, share it with a friend chasing a dream, and leave a review so more people can find the show. What part are you navigating right now: home expectations, career hustle, or relationship boundaries?
We sit down with Kali Flower in person and talk through what it means to come home to Hawaii while pushing a new single into the world. We get honest about the grind behind music, the relationships that get tested by ambition, and the choices that keep you aligned when everything looks like an opportunity.
• Coming home expectations with family and friends and how to manage the limited time
• “Speak My Language” and why the rollout becomes more connection than promotion
• Building support as an independent artist and finding resources beyond your hometown
• Working a Sephora job while performing and why culture matters more than perks
• Songwriting from present emotion and past experience plus rewriting endings for story
• Why heartbreak tends to create stronger music and what Saltwater Secrets represents
• Dating on an artist schedule and drawing lines between stage persona and real life
• Training for choreography and vocals including breath control and cardio
• Social media making music easier to release but harder to stand out
• Collaboration dynamics, pride, control, and learning to trust a team
• The reality behind the “smoke and mirrors” of the music industry and marketing rollout
• Boundaries with exes and why intention matters with “harmless” messages
• Discernment, prayer, and counsel for choosing the right opportunities
Welcome Back And In Person Energy
SPEAKER_01Super candid. Ready? Yeah. Five four three two one. Mm-hmm. Welcome back to another episode of the Relationship Method podcast. It's your boy Chris, and today, this is round two. She doesn't need any introductions. Um, you've seen her, and this was like an in uh it was an internet pod that we did, but now I have her ass in person. Oh my gosh. Um side note, she ain't that tall. She's like, she's like probably like what, five, five, five, four? You know what I'm saying? On a good day, she's probably like 6'3, but today she's 5'2 and whatnot. Man, I got Kolly on this shit. Hello. I'm so excited to be here. Girl, I'm uh man, I'm excited for you and third and the fourth. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02Yes, we back home.
SPEAKER_01Oh, how does it feel to be back home?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, it feels great. I I look forward to this every single year.
SPEAKER_01Really? Is the weather similar? No. I'm not gonna say you're loc where you was uh reside currently.
SPEAKER_02Uh, it's it's too hot. I don't even want to go outside. I feel like my whole mood like changes when I do that when I'm back there.
SPEAKER_01Do you get sticky when you go outside?
SPEAKER_02No, it's just like I feel like I'm like melting, like it's just hot. Like I just I don't I can't even think.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I was I'm glad to be back here where the breeze feels good. It's summertime, it's a little bit hot just because you know the season.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's in that season, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But you we got the beach, so I'm not oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Keep your toes in the dirt and the sand. I mean, and the water.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm not complaining about it.
SPEAKER_01How you liking um oh, have you seen like old friends and family?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, man. This whole past week, all I've been doing was trying to hang out with all my family members from like my cousins to their kids to my great grandparents, and then seeing my friends, like I have this one friend
Coming Home And Family Expectations
SPEAKER_02I've known since I was two years old. Yeah, my oldest friend. So yeah, it's been a great time.
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you this, Miss Kolly. Uh, when you like say you're away from home and you come back, um, do you expect like friends and family to reschedule their whole life because you're in town? Because me being in, you know, be me being in the situation I am, when I go home, I really don't expect them to be like, oh man, I I'm finna go see Chris. I gotta like rearrange everything, like my schedule. Like, do you do you expect that or like low-key, a part of you is like, motherfucker, I'm only here for a week, you know?
SPEAKER_02I don't like I will say I expect at least like one day, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. One day, I only come back like once a year, and I love my family so much, and there's so many of them down here that I just I want everyone to to see. But I I work with their schedule, like anytime I come down, I'm like, whatever you guys got going on, just let me know what works and like we'll fit it in. But I do definitely try at least have like one dinner or like one outing, one beach day or something before I leave because it's been so long, like you know, as a kid, especially growing up in Hawaii, it's like you have those moments where you guys go to the beach, you go camping, and like the whole family's there, and it's so hard nowadays because everyone's adults now with like kids and families, so we we try to make it work, but it's been great this time around. I've seen them almost every day. It's been crazy.
SPEAKER_01Are they all spread out throughout the island?
SPEAKER_02Are they on this island or did they fly in from no most of all of them are pretty much on this island, and what's nice is they're all around this area too, so it's been good.
SPEAKER_01Did the older aunts and grandparents are, oh Kolly, you look healthy? And you know what that means, right? Okay, or oh, you've been eating, huh? Or or oh, they don't feed you out there?
SPEAKER_02Have you gotten that? I got I only get it from one family member. I love her. I love her so much. But she was like, Oh yeah, you look good. Keep keep staying that way, keep looking like that, otherwise you're gonna turn into this. I'm like, oh please.
SPEAKER_01Oh, Philip Filipinos and Filipinas. Yeah. Did they pop the when am I getting a a grandchild yet? Or oh, are you not married yet? Why not?
SPEAKER_02Honestly, I always expect that because out of all my cousins, I'm the only one who still doesn't have a kid yet. Really? Good for you though. Thank you. I I said I need my world tour first. Um, but yeah, I I know that questions come in every time. So this time around it was like, you know, it's about that time.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. When am I getting my grandchild? Huh?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it wasn't even from my grandparents, it's just from family members in general. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, it's good that you're super focused in what you want to do. That I mean, of course, clock is ticking. However, comma, man, you still got all the time in the world. You're like, what, like 22, 23?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01God damn. Oh, well, somewhere around there, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02But we do have time though. We do have time. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01You just gotta use the time that you have in a positive and constructive way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. It'll happen when it's meant to happen, you know?
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_02Hopefully when they're still here and around. That's that's my goal though.
SPEAKER_01Frick yeah. How um, I know you're out here for uh, you know, your 10-day thing. Yeah. How's that going? Because I I've been watching, I've been reading. Um, yeah,
Speak My Language And The Mission
SPEAKER_01how's it going for people that do not follow you?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so the ones who don't know what what's been happening, my whole thing is I dropped the song last week, Friday. It's called Speak My Language, and it was really inspired by home, everything that Hawaii represents. And when we were thinking about like writing the song, it's really about how a lot of outsiders try to define, you know, what Hawaii is, the values you should have, like what really matters. And so when I wrote the song, um it was with a great group of people, and then we came here to promote it, and my whole thing was I wanted to turn into a movement, I wanted to see what I could do. It was very like social experiment type vibes, and I'm not gonna lie, it it's been so different than what I thought it was gonna be. Like, I thought we were gonna come down here, we're just gonna like post the flyers and like push it out and talk to as many people as we can, which we have been, but it's been more about connecting with people than promoting the song. So it's been like a whole like twist in like what I thought this was gonna look like, but it still ended really, really well. Like, we have two days left. Today is my second to last day here, and everything's been great. I mean, we even had the performance last night, met a bunch of people, like I wouldn't change anything about it.
SPEAKER_01Girl, the grind and hustle is real, like, no lie, because um, dude, I don't even got a name yet, but I know a lot of like models that I had on this pod, they don't have a name yet. So it's super difficult out here. But um, is it easier on the mainland? You think? Because you is is your fan base like more mainland than Hawaii, you think?
SPEAKER_02It's crazy. Yeah, it definitely started out that way, especially being, you know, in in Texas. Like, that's where I would say most of my life.
SPEAKER_01Or Canada, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02Wherever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, but ever since I started doing this mission here, like it's been crazy. Like the support from either people who live in Hawaii or like have been from Hawaii who have moved to the mainland, like it is in like incredible the support that I've had from everybody back home. But I will say that you do get more resources when you go to the mainland. Not to say that there isn't any here, because I think you you're really good if you can make anything around you work. Like, I think the best time to start is with whatever you have now. Oh, that's but going to the mainland, of course, like it opens doors and stuff, but that's traveling in general. I wouldn't even just say like go to the mainland. Like this year, one of my big things was to just travel and get outside of Texas. So I've been to LA, um, obviously Hawaii, and so even Austin, like within Texas, but getting out of the city that you're in, I think that that's always gonna help you open more doors.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, go ahead, girl. Go ahead. I had a question from someone. Um, is 88 Kilo your fave collaborator? And if so, why?
SPEAKER_02I love him. Honestly, shout out him. 88 Kilo was the first artist who ever gave me a feature or like even gave me a chance when I started doing music because I switched out into doing PR, like music PR full time, into really taking the music seriously. And he was the first uh collab I ever did, and Passenger Seat is still like a song that I hold near and dear to my heart. I love that song. Shout out 88 Kilo.
SPEAKER_01Was it nerve-wracking, like I guess recording with someone that was already known, or like coming up with a product?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01Okay, okay, that's good.
SPEAKER_02I I don't think so. Like, I think the thing with creating is like, especially if you guys mesh really well, no matter who I'm collaborating with, the vibes are just there, and like things just like flow easy. And with him, that song was it was fun. Like, I I remember
First Major Collab And Confidence
SPEAKER_02specifically when I wrote that collab with him, the first take was not it. Like, he was like, I think you could do better. And I was like, Oh, you know what, you're right. So then I went back, reworked it, and then that's the song that's out today.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead, girl. Go ahead. And um, we were talking offline, and you and my wife have something in common. Y'all are Sephora girls.
SPEAKER_02We are.
SPEAKER_01Uh that's great. You know, um uh that's your regular nine to five?
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, I call it cosplaying. I cosplay makes it. Cosplay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, are they ah man, how do I how do I twist this? Uh are they cool with your musical career because you are out and performing? And you know, some of these days you might be calling in sick because, you know, late nights and stuff. Are they cool with that? Look, my um my store manager follows me on social media. Oh, so you cannot.
SPEAKER_02But but I will say what I love about Sephora and the culture that they cultivate is such a good like work-life balance. Um, that a lot of people going into that job specifically, like they have hobbies and they have things outside of just Sephora. And I think the beauty of that company is that they understand that and they want you to thrive in whatever you're passionate about.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, so they're really cool. Like the reason why I'm here is because I let them know, you know, like I want to come take off, go see my family, but also I have like this song I'm promoting down there. If I have a show, they're like really, really cool with figuring out how to make it work. So it fits well.
SPEAKER_01I love that about like workplaces because um my boss right now, it's he doesn't care what I'm doing unless like the product is there at that time or you know, on that due date. But other than that, I could man, I could just walk around, I could fart, I could, you know, I could be on my phone, I could search, I could do whatever the fuck I want as long as my work is done. Um he just doesn't care because I mean if I push out my work to him, it's like okay, I understand it, I could, you know, brief it, I could present it, and yeah, I'm all coaster with that. With
Sephora Work Life Balance
SPEAKER_01Sephora, unlike Mac, is there like a numbers thing that you have to do?
SPEAKER_02Like what do you mean? Like meeting.
SPEAKER_01Like numbers, like you have to meet a certain criteria for the day.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, like it's like any retail store, you know, like you you have a budget that you have to hit, you have like certain field objectives that they want you to go after, but I don't think it's anything where it's like micromanaging or anything. I think the beauty of like a company again like that is that they allow you to be you, and I think that people work the best when they're like given the space to be themselves and like really show what they can do instead of like this is by the book, this is what you need to follow. If you're not doing this, this is what happens. And I think that's where a lot of just businesses in general are moving towards, anyways.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, that's good. That's good. Your songwriting, right? Um and are these songs from um like past experiences or whatnot? And like when you write them and deliver them, is it uh I guess like if the person's hearing that song, would he or she know it's about them?
SPEAKER_02Um I think sometimes they might if they like really listen to the clues, but for the most part, my songwriting comes from two places. It's either a place of like what I'm going through in the moment or something I've experienced in the past. I really, really love storytelling. So sometimes I like to be like, okay, this is the situation that happened, but like what if the ending looked like this instead? And like, let's write a song about it, let's write a story about it. So it's kind of like if you feel like it's about you, maybe ask why you feel that's that's that's what that's right. Like, maybe ask why you feel that way. But for the most part, I just it's just me expressing.
SPEAKER_01Expressing, yeah. Let me ask you this then. Um we'll say on uh music. Uh do do do Heartbreak versus healing. Um, which creates like the like better music, in your opinion, since you're an artist.
SPEAKER_02Heartbreak.
SPEAKER_01Heartbreak. I don't think I've listened to I don't
Writing From Real Life Stories
SPEAKER_01think I've heard any songs of you going through heartbreak. Like I've heard Bastion in, you know, uh-uh season, you know. I've heard that. Um is there's do you have a a song in your catalog that's heartbreak?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, actually. So um during Saltwater Secrets, like that was my Lost Girl season before what we're in now, and that one really was about me just pouring myself and my heart into a project that was so different than when we talked was it was fuck girl season. So that was very that cadence. So that was like a whole different vibe, but the season after that was Lost Girl season, and that's where I would say for Heartbreak, Bottom of the Ocean was was such a a song about that because it was like you're everything I'll never find again at the bottom of the ocean, and that oh I just listened to that one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_01Oh, there was one track, I think it's like a minute and thirteen, where you got emotional, like you were speaking with someone, I don't know who the intro. Yeah, the intro. Yeah, and I was like, oh man. Like I f I you know I low-key felt it, but then I was like, I'm not gonna be no wimp or nothing. But I was like, damn, she going through something. Yeah, yeah, was that like a hard time? Like, were you going through some some sort of situation?
SPEAKER_02It it definitely was, and I'm not crying. My makeup is like making me eyes water, just so everybody knows. Um, but that whole project, it came from a place where I I felt lost within myself and like who I was and what I wanted out of life, and there were so many things that I wanted that like I felt like I was being handed, but I just felt like I could not like take care of it well enough to know that like it would be something that would last. And so, even the song that you're talking about, the intro to Saltwater Secrets, I want it all. I was like actually having a conversation with someone. I didn't realize my phone was recording the conversation, and so once I heard it back,
Heartbreak Songs And Lost Girl Season
SPEAKER_02I was like, this explains everything I feel like I'm going through right now. Like, I want to make this into a song and I want to put it on the project somewhere, and it just felt so right to be the intro. Because like if you're saying you felt something, then like that's exactly what I what I was going for.
SPEAKER_01Mission accomplished the tone. Mission accomplished. Um, the conversations that we have with our friends and family privately, and I wish you know we have like a life recorder, right? You get like when you look back or like try to remember the conversation you have. It's um it's one of those like eye-opening moments sometimes, you know? And of like in your case, like it was emotional. And yeah, man, like I I do sometimes wish like life is you know, like the office, it's just being recorded and shit, and you get your quirks and your like emotional moments and everything. But yeah, I really do wish it was like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I do too. Like, if a reality camera was following me around all this, people would actually know what what I go through and what's happening. I know, I wish.
SPEAKER_01Girl, mm-mm. Let me ask you this then. Um uh have you dated while you're doing your music thing?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Then next question is can relationships survive on an artist's schedule?
SPEAKER_02That's a good question.
SPEAKER_01Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_02I feel like because I have had relationships throughout my music career, like I've I've seen what works, what I feel like works the best. And it's a little trickier if it's not with someone who has like as much ambitions as you or who isn't like as busy or who understands like the industry the way you do. Um, because then I feel like it's just like two different worlds of trying to like constantly understand like what's happening. Um like for for one instance, right? Like I had this one time I was dating this guy and I had a show, and then my show was fuck girl season, so I like to have a chair and like bring an audience member up and like do my thing. Um, and it became like a whole it was a whole situation after that, even though we had talked about you know me doing that, because I have respect for whoever that I'm dating, but again, it's that line of like understanding like this is me when I perform and this is me when I'm like not performing. And I get that it's hard. I don't think it's made for everybody. I think it is something you have to intentionally cultivate with someone, but I do believe it's possible.
SPEAKER_01It's not no Chris Brown situation. I've no I know you've seen it, I know you synced it. Yeah, like um, it's he's ruining relationships, you know?
SPEAKER_02That that's taking it a little too far, right?
SPEAKER_01I mean, there's a borderline where it's professional and it's classy and then just super raunchy, and goddamn, I didn't pay to go watch porn video, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, I mean that's his brand though, so couldn't be me.
SPEAKER_01How did you come up with the concept of the chair and the guy? Like, what was your thought process going into that? Like, oh, for shits and giggles, I'm finna
Dating While Performing And Boundaries
SPEAKER_01do this. Let's see how it works out.
SPEAKER_02I think I wanted to get like the audience more involved during my sets. Because I think it's so great when you watch, like you go to a show and you see a performer perform, but I think it means something even more and it makes the environment more fun when they get the audience engaged in it. Yeah. And so I was like, you know what? I'm gonna bring someone up, we're gonna pick like someone random from the crowd, and we're gonna like make their night. And so that that really was my whole like concept behind it. Like, I also study a lot of performers, and like I've seen um Beyonce do it once, and I was like, okay, like let's just like see what happens. And then ever since then, people loved it that it just became a staple in the show. So every time I performed during Fuck Girl Season, they know that part was coming.
SPEAKER_01Saying on Fuck Girl Season, the choreo that you've done. How hard was it to did you do choreo choreography yourself, or was someone hired or a friend did it for you?
SPEAKER_02So some of the songs were me, but I had two choreographers, um, my friend Sandy, and then I had another one who helped me pretty much put everything together for that season. And I still have choreo now.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Let me tell you this, Miss Collie. Me and my wife, we um we like to watch a lot of music videos. And music videos that consist of singing and choreo at the same time. Girl, I am winded in the first hot damn 15 to 30 seconds. My wife too. So how do you what's the secret in, let's say, performing and you know, like you're you're dancing and singing at the same time, and you don't sound like you know what I'm saying? Like, how what's the secret to that?
SPEAKER_02Training.
SPEAKER_01Training.
SPEAKER_02Training, like getting on a treadmill, singing your songs, constantly in the gym doing cardio. I've just recently started working with a vocal coach who's like really helped me with breath control. Um, it's like understanding how that works while you're performing. There's so many like intricate details to it because trust me, like when I first started doing choreo and like Well, you were out, like you're like, oh my god, I'm finna die. It was like I had to sacrifice me sounding good on stage for the choreo looking good, and like now it's at a point where there's a balance.
SPEAKER_01Girl.
SPEAKER_02But it takes a lot of work, like it's not an easy thing to do.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, I could only imagine. I like watching like the behind-the-scenes making of and you sent me like a behind-the-scenes clip, and I was like, dude, I cannot do this. Like, oh no, I'm gonna stand still or sit. If I'm ever singing, I'm just gonna have a guitar and just have a mic, I ain't doing no no twists and turns.
SPEAKER_02And there's nothing wrong with that. I just like my second love right next to music is dance. So I I just love combining them. And whatever I have to do, I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01Growing up in Hawaii, were you ever in a dance crew?
SPEAKER_02You know what's crazy? I think I took maybe like one hula class my mom had put me in while I was down here. Um I did cheerleading though. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. And um, anytime I when I went to Catholic school here, anytime they would have a talent show, I'd like get a group together and we'd have rehearsals and I'd like come up with like little choreo for us to do. So it wasn't anything like professional. Um, but it wasn't until I went to high school I had I was like in drill team and then I really started getting involved in dance after that.
SPEAKER_01What made you stop? Was it singing that made you stop from like pursuing dance?
SPEAKER_02I don't I wouldn't say it was singing that did that. I think I just kinda didn't like, yeah, it might have been that. Like I still loved watching like America's Best Dance Crew and watching videos of people dance, like it was something I really, really enjoyed, but I don't think I ever put myself in a room to be like, yeah, this is what I want to do until I really started getting involved in the dance community where I'm at, um, back where I live. And then I was like, oh wait, like I refound my passion and love for it again.
SPEAKER_01You know what's crazy how you were so deep into like say a thing that you loved doing. You lost your, you know, you lost your drive, you lost your passion, it just got boring. It's not the fad, whatever you want to call it. And then you jump right back into it, and you're like, damn it, I could do this for another X amount of years.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um I tried going back to a dance class. Oh my god, I sucked ass. I need to go to another class. What kind of class was it? Hip hop. Of course hip hop. Okay. I've taken a heels class. And um dog, I busted ass so many times. I don't know how y'all be dancing.
Choreo, Breath Control, And Training
SPEAKER_02You were actually in heels.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And um, I wore it with socks because you know I'm super shy with my toes. So I wore it with socks, and um there was a move in my the the was it the the heel I slipped on that heel and I busted ass. And I was like, dog, I ain't doing this shit. It was fun. I ain't doing I I will do a heel class without the heels.
SPEAKER_02What made you like want to take a heel class?
SPEAKER_01I wanted to learn Femme.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Like um in like in my dance vocabulary, because I was a teacher um back in Cali. I wanted to know like different styles. And that was one style that I was like, yo, I'm never gonna do it. And then I was like, oh, you know what? Fuck it, let's try, you know. YOLO, only live once, right?
SPEAKER_02Problems to you for doing that, honestly. I don't think many people would be like, let me go take it.
SPEAKER_01I don't know how I don't know a lot of guys that I mean I guess they're experienced, but just slip on the ass and just Yeah, you have a video of it? Man, hell no. So this was when, you know, like social media wasn't as popping. Like you actually needed to bring like a camera camera to you know to record your stuff. Because, you know, phones, man, girl, I had a I had a flip phone. Right. You know, I had one of the crazy, yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh, crazy. Let me ask you this then. Um doo doo doo. Would you rather have someone love you or understand your career?
SPEAKER_02It's a good question. Would I rather have someone love me or understand my career? Yes.
SPEAKER_01And you can't have both. Ah, I was about to say I saw you thinking, I saw I, you know, I saw I saw the wheels, and I was like, nah, she finna get one slide on me.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna I feel like if I had to pick one of them, because I wouldn't even put it in terms of like a career. Like I would just say like something that I feel like is my passion and purpose, like I would absolutely go with the second one. Um, because I feel like at the end of the day, that's just me, that's who I am, that's everything that I feel like I embody and what I work towards. So if if it's just love, I just don't know if that would be enough. Enough, or if it would even work, because like what I love to do and what I feel like I'm set to be on this earth to do, it means like everything to me.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead, girl. So social media now, right? It's crazy how one thing could go viral. So um being an art is being an artist harder now than it was like when you like really like when you started out in the music that you're making?
SPEAKER_02Ugh, that's such a loaded question. Like, I I want to say yes, but no.
SPEAKER_01It's like it has its pros and cons, yeah?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like I feel like back in the days where like you had to get discovered in order to pop off, like obviously it was harder to pop off because if people didn't know who you were, then you weren't really doing anything. But nowadays it's so like everybody's doing it, everybody wants to do it. Everybody wants to do music, make songs, um, be an artist, live the life, be a DJ. Like everybody wants to do it that you're constantly just like anytime I go on like Instagram, for example, like I'm always seeing new artists. Like, it's it's just so what's the word? I can't find the word for it.
SPEAKER_01Neither can I. My vocabulary is very stunt right now.
SPEAKER_02Like, I want to say convoluted, but I don't think that's the word I'm looking for.
SPEAKER_01That's a great vocabulary word. Concluded.
SPEAKER_02Convoluted.
SPEAKER_01Convoluted.
SPEAKER_02That's a word.
SPEAKER_01You don't know if that's a word?
SPEAKER_02I don't, but that's like convoluted. Um, but yeah, there's just so many people wanting to do it that it's like trying to break through the noise. Like, unless you're doing something very unique or something that's very you, it's it takes
Social Media Noise And Standing Out
SPEAKER_02time and like people don't need labels anymore. Like, it's really just like how much can you do? How creative can you be? How connected with people can you become? Like it's it's more complex, so like it is easier because now you don't have to wait for someone to like make you because you can make it yourself, but with that comes like so much responsibility.
SPEAKER_01This is facts, this is facts. Um has someone reached out to you? This might be personal, but like they reached out to you and said, Hey girl, your song got me through you know this time tough time in my life, and if so, like how did that make you feel? Were you like, ah damn, like I guess I am doing something with my situation?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've had many moments like that actually. I have this album I keep in my phone where it's like when you need a reminder, and I like screenshot messages that people send me about like what my song's done for them or how like inspired they were by something I I've done or I do, and like I go back and read them whatever. Um, like I just wanna remember why I started all of this. And so yeah, I do remember one specifically, too, was like how this one person just felt like they gave up all hope on life, and they feel like when they see what I do and like the light that it brings to them, how it just like inspires them to keep going. Like that, even though it's like a simple DM, it carries so much weight to me because I know what music has done for me, and to know like what my music or even just my journey does for other people, like it's it's just such a out of this world experience, and it makes me want to keep going because like you never know what you're doing and how that impacts other people.
SPEAKER_01Girl, um, you're a songwriter, yeah. Is there a song that you've written and like it's already like in your books, but is not released yet because it's like it's personal or it's you feel like it's not the time to like push that out.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Do you have like one in the chamber?
SPEAKER_02I have a lot of them.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they're sitting there.
SPEAKER_01So what's the selection process for like say an album, you know? Like, since you have a lot, you know, in the back, what makes you be like, that's this is going there? Oh, this is going there. Like what's the what's the thought process on that?
SPEAKER_02Well, I think the biggest thing too, because what I love to do is for the seasons, like create a world, and so the song definitely has to fit in like what that world is and what I want to bring people into experience. Um, but I think because I haven't done an album yet, I think that'll be a very different selection process, and that's something that I have not experienced yet, but I'm like, I'm really looking forward to right now. It's just about making a bunch of songs and then going back and seeing, okay, what's the story we're trying to tell here? Because for me, it's like dropping a single versus dropping an EP versus dropping album. Like it's all such a different story you're trying to tell, and that also comes with different world building. Um, so I think once we get to the album, it'll be like, what
Choosing Songs And Building A World
SPEAKER_02do I want people to take away from this and how do we like intricately tell it with like all the songs that we have?
SPEAKER_01Hmm. Your thought process in um in making music, right? Um and and making a song, can you knock out a song just like that? Like, yo, I have something. Like, if like a situation happens and you're like, Bing, I'm gonna write it down. Yeah, like are you more of a you'll write it down, catch a beat later, or you gotta listen to the beat, and then I'm writing this song to this specific beat?
SPEAKER_02It depends like where I'm at and what mood I'm in. Because if like I'm on the go, I don't have anything, and something comes to me, I'm instantly opening up my notes tab and I'm like writing down like what I'm feeling. Like I'm writing it all down. Um but if I'm like at home and I like get inspiration for something, yeah, I'm going on like YouTube, I'm pulling up a beat, or like I'm going through the beats that I have sitting in my computer, and like I'll find something and just write to it. But I love those moments when like I'm really feeling something, like when I'm really mad or I'm really hurt, or like I'm really happy, and I like in that moment, it's like you capture like this magic, and it's so easy for me to like make the whole song right there, whether it's with a beat or without. But those moments have been pretty rare. Like, there's not a lot of times where I'm just like, oh, I'm in it, I'm about to finish this whole song right now. Yeah, because sometimes it's like oh let's just sit down and like try to create something and and see what we make.
SPEAKER_01Oh next question collaborating with other people. Um what's so hard about collaborating with you know other minds and you know other uh I guess critiques? Because I guess you know they have if they've been in the game for X amount of time, they know what sound or what they're looking for in in a joint. Have you come across like a hard collaborator or an easy one? Well, let's talk about the easy one.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I I've definitely had both. I think that when I first started doing music, it was like really easy because you just like come in and like both of you, and I collaborated with like a bunch of artists, so we're like making music, and I think that's the most fun part. I think it gets a little more not difficult or hard, but just a little more intricate when it's beyond just the music, like when it comes to like your music career as a whole, um, and what it looks like, what sound you want to put out, how the marketing looks, what kind of content you make. Like, I'm in this season now where I've learned to let go of control. Like, I used to want to control everything, and if like it wasn't a part of the vision I had up here, like we're not doing it, yeah, or it doesn't make sense, or I'm gonna try to figure out how to turn it into the vision I have up here. But lately I've just been like releasing it and been really taking in what other people's visions and ideas and like thoughts are and seeing how to how that like meshes with the vision that I have, and if not, just maybe even trying out like their idea and seeing how it goes. It's a very hard
Collaboration And Letting Go Of Control
SPEAKER_02process because I feel like you have to kill a lot of your pride um and be like, okay, yeah, this is something I want, but this person also wants this for me. So, how how do you find like harmony within that? So it's not hard, it's just like you have to work a little bit harder.
SPEAKER_01So there's times where you'll take it, but then there's times where you gotta stand your ground, like, yo, I honestly believe this is the better route.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there there's times. I think I'm trying to like let go of that second part that you just said a lot more to see like what could happen if we fully like go in on this person's idea. Because I can't when people come to me with ideas, it's because like they genuinely love and care what I'm doing. Yeah. So I have to get out of like thinking my way is the right way all the time and like just seeing what what could happen if we like try your way.
SPEAKER_01Girl, that's facts. I'm I'm glad that you're so open-minded to that. Because if you want to be a millionaire, you're not gonna talk to the person that's uh a target registered person. You know what I'm saying? Like that's working that regular job, you gotta talk to that millionaire, you know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you gotta go, you gotta go with the pros.
SPEAKER_01Girl, yes. Uh, what's one one relationship lesson your uh wait, what's one relation relationship lesson your music has taught you?
SPEAKER_02One relationship lesson that my music has taught me. Um I would say I don't know if this goes exactly into the question you have, but like the thing that comes to my mind is that you you can get what you want if you work really hard for it. Um and I think that that's within music. Like I put a lot into my music, and I think you have to put that same amount of like care and and passion and time into relationships as well. Um so I think that's something that it's taught me to balance that out because I'm so like I've always been very, very like ambitious and career driven, and I love my music so much that I think I then had to take a step back and be like, okay, but everything I'm doing with my music, I have to now like translate that into like a relationship or the relationships around me in order for
What People Get Wrong About Music
SPEAKER_02it to like flourish this the same way that my music is, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01Oh, 100% dollar dollar bill, you know. Uh what's one thing people romanticize about the music industry that isn't true?
SPEAKER_02Everything.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit. When you say everything, like what what what you mean? Like give me like two examples of that everything.
SPEAKER_02I think that a lot of people see what it looks like. It's when you go to a concert, right? You go to a concert and you see the performance and you're like, wow, that was like so amazing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02You're you're at a concert and maybe it's like an hour to two hours, but the like months to maybe like a year that goes into prepping for tour from like going to practice, getting your vocals right to set design to like the out, like there's so much that goes into it that right off the back, I think it's like, oh, this is so cool, I want to do it. But then it's like, but what does it actually take to get that finished product? I don't think that people see behind the smoke and mirrors. So that's like the the biggest thing is they just they don't understand how the industry really works and how much work it goes into creating the final product that you see.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. Your answer reminded me of uh um uh do you remember the old show on MTV, the band? Was it when they when they making the band? Yeah, yeah, making the band. Yeah, like that, how they selected people, how they the work going into the studio, because I you know, I watched like the behind the scenes. A lot of them thought it was like, oh man, all you gotta do is just lay down the track and you're done. But no, there's PR.
SPEAKER_02There's so much.
SPEAKER_01Yes, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02And I think that was the beauty too. Like we talked last time, and I think I told you a little bit about how my background was in like marketing and PR. So to get to see that side of the music industry was so helpful because then I really understood what it took. Once a uh a song gets released, it's not just putting it out there. Of course, you can do that, but what makes a successful song is like the marketing rollout, the the PR um press run that they go on, how their content looks, like it's so much that goes into it that I think you really understand it if you're able to get the experience of what behind the scenes looks like before you actually put yourself out there.
SPEAKER_01Did you feel did you ever feel overwhelmed when you got into the music biz?
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna say no, because like I can't remember of a time of me being like this is too much. I think because I've always been again so like career-driven. I'm very curious. Like I'm a very, very curious person at nature, so I'm always like interested to see, well, how does this work? How do we do this? And like there was times where I was working like two, three jobs, going to school full time, but still trying to hit green rooms and like work shows to like understand how it works. Like, if you you have to know what industry, what the industry, the landscape of the industry looks like, what you want to get into. And so, like, if you're getting into the entertainment industry, right, like you have to know that's like your life. Like, there's not a nine to five where it stops at this time, like it goes until the entertainment industry is closed and it's never closed, it's always open. Yeah, so you have to like understand what comes with that. So I don't think I was ever overwhelmed. There was times where I was like, oh, this is what this looks like. Is this what I want to do? Sit, think, process, but then I'm like, yeah, like let's keep going.
SPEAKER_01Really? I don't think I could do that. It's I'll be honest, I'm like, man, that's too much thinking. But then you have a team though, right?
SPEAKER_02I do have a team.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, see, I I don't want to think. I just want to be like, hey man, do you think so? Oh, girl, is this oh okay. And I'll just vibe off them, but yeah. Oh are you the final decision making decision maker in like in your things?
SPEAKER_02It depends what what aspect. Like, there's a lot of things, and I think the beauty of having a team is understanding where what people's like strengths lie. So if like I know they're more um knowledgeable in a certain
Team Roles And Final Decisions
SPEAKER_02area, like I'll let them have the final say. But if it comes to like like marketing or like what the visual's gonna look like, I absolutely want to have the final say in it. But again, it comes down to understanding, like, hey, does your vision sound better for what we're trying to achieve? Yes. Or or does mine? So it's it's like 50-50, depends what we're talking about.
SPEAKER_01Mmm, girl. Uh, what's the biggest green flag someone has ever shown you?
SPEAKER_02Like in a relationship or just like in general?
SPEAKER_01Let's go let's go in the relationship and then we'll go in general.
SPEAKER_02Biggest green flag. Oh, that's why am I acting like this is so hard? Like all I've been around is like red flags. Why is it so much easier to answer a question about red flags than a green one?
SPEAKER_01It just shows experience or it shows that you've lived.
SPEAKER_02I think it it's it's just anytime like someone makes an effort to do something that helps helps me out in like my day-to-day, like when I'm gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01Acts of service.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like that's my one of my biggest love languages.
SPEAKER_01Acts of service? Yep. Kyle, I just I made you lunch today with a little note, sticky note. Have a good day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love that too, because I don't cook, so love that.
SPEAKER_01Ew.
SPEAKER_02Not even like traditional dishes, like cinnagang or no, it wasn't passed down to me, so I don't know how to. I'm going to learn. Like slowly I'm getting into cooking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, no.
SPEAKER_01You could you could definitely uh microwave a hot damn pizza. Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, go to the store. What do we need? Where do we want to go out to eat tonight?
SPEAKER_01Girl. Let me ask you this then. This um this might be a lengthy one. Would you rather date someone who supports your dreams or someone who shares them?
SPEAKER_02Ooh. These are really good questions.
SPEAKER_01Right. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02Date someone who supports or shares your dream. Share. I think I think share. Because I I think there's like a deeper level to that. Like, I think anyone can support, right? Like you can like show up to a show, like that story I told you earlier. Like, the guy I dated, he showed up to the show. But like, if you don't share it, then I don't think you fully understand what that looks like or what that means or what it takes to to get there.
SPEAKER_01So let's break it down then. So sharing, right? Are are we doing like two artists or an artist and someone that knows the business?
SPEAKER_02It could be that. Like, I don't think it has to be two artists. Like, definitely not. I also don't think that's always the best route. But I do think as long as someone gets like the industry
Green Flags And Shared Dreams
SPEAKER_02and what it takes, like the long hours you have to work, being in the studio, like maybe collaborating with a lot of like guys, you know, it's like you have to have that understanding as to like why and what's happening? Because I think that you can support someone, but if they don't share the vision, it gets like blurried. And then that's when you know difficult things can happen.
SPEAKER_01Do you think like when celebs like say get with regular Schmo guys and they end up, I don't know, like splitting up. Do you think that's one big reason why you know they're going their separate ways because the Joe Schmo is just wasn't prepared for this type for that type of I guess work environment?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean it could be. Like I definitely don't know the exact answer to that, but it could definitely be a difference in lifestyle. Like, I think that's the biggest thing that makes a relationship successful is do your lifestyles really mesh together? And I think sometimes you don't really know what that looks like until you're like deep in it.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit, that made me think. Um, Miss Kali, what's the lyric you wrote that came from a real heartbreak?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, there was there was so many. Um, but I think my favorite one is in that intro that we talked about earlier, the I want it all. Um I want it all, but I know what it looks like, sacrifice for the other side. Like I think to me.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's deep.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it it hit me so hard because it truly is like you can want something so bad, but not be able to sacrifice what it takes to not just get it, but to keep it. And in that moment when I wrote that song, it was it was about love, and it was like I I want it so bad, but like I just don't think I can give up what you need for me to give up in order to have it. Yeah, that was that was a deep one.
SPEAKER_01Did it get you thinking again? Are you like going back right now?
SPEAKER_02Like yeah, like I'm getting like a little emotional. Oh, are you?
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, a knock, a knock. Next one. If your ex heard your new song, what would you want them to think?
SPEAKER_02Which new song are we talking about?
SPEAKER_01Not not your recent one, but um any of them. You know what? Let's just let's just be broad. Any of them.
SPEAKER_02What would they think?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like one song off the top of your head. What would your ex think if he slash she or them, whatever? We're gender neutral here. Um like oh.
SPEAKER_02I think they would be like, damn, I really missed my opportunity. I should probably call her.
SPEAKER_01Would you accept that call?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01Not even a DM.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01Have you ever reached out and said happy birthday to an ex?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I used to. Like, I used to do that, but no, not anymore. Like, there's no point in that. Oh I feel like that's when like you so I used to think it was like friendly. Like, I used to just like think like, oh, those are like harmless things, and so I really understood like what does it mean to still reach out to one and like break that shit down, Miss Kali. So I just always remember the last conversation we had. I
Exes, Intentions, And Closing Doors
SPEAKER_02don't know if you remember, but I'm gonna mention it when you had asked me, can you still be friends with your Ex with your ex, yes, and I was like, Yeah, you can if there's like this understanding of having um boundaries, and if there is someone new who gets presented in the relationship, yeah, there's like that respect for whoever that new person is, and I still I still hold that true, but I just think like what's the intention though behind being still friends with your ex? Like if there's no reason to have a relationship with them, like what is the point? So those happy birthday messages, I think that just like leaves a door open to like be like, well, what if well she's still reaching out to me, but like if it's closed, like that chapter's closed.
SPEAKER_01Really? So I don't know, like for as a guy, is this what women think? Like, um, so as a guy, like I don't see anything wrong with like shooting a like especially like a happy birthday, or like say if if someone passed a condolence message, yeah, you know, like I don't see anything wrong. I don't think there's a and me maybe it's just me being super oblivious, right? Because I I don't catch things, I don't see things, but um, yeah, I I honestly don't see anything anything wrong because like I know the situation that I am that I'm in now and I know I'm locked down like that, like mentally. So it's like um, yeah, I really don't see anything wrong with that. So like as a single person, you see, you know, that little window open if someone reached out like that.
SPEAKER_02I feel like the like it depends on the situation, because you bring up like the condolences of like a family. So that's uh that's like I think that's okay. I think that's different because if you are a part of someone's life for so long and you know someone like passes away and they were close, like I think that is just something out of respect for knowing like the person you were with, but also like what you know the family member might have meant to them. But be so for real. Sometimes those happy birthday messages are just like a door to see, like, hey, is there still it cannot be real because it's like I do that a lot, you know? Well, okay, maybe your intentions are good, right?
SPEAKER_01But I don't I don't think I'm not yeah, I'm not trying, I'm not yeah, like when I'm sending messages, like I don't think horny like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's more of a but it's not even horny. Some people just want to like see. They just want to like see. Well, they respond. If they respond, like, can I keep the conversation?
SPEAKER_01Just naive, I guess. Uh no, I think you just have a good heart. Oh, oh, thank you. Asalamana? Yes. Oh. Um has uh has women ever mistaken you like you fuck it. You like guys, right? You're you're you know, like you're you're you're a you're a guy type of gal, yeah? Or okay, so when women go into your DMs and stuff, how do you is there is there a a right way to like say, oh man, I'm flattered, but no, thank you. I like guys.
SPEAKER_02Like for for someone that's asking, like, you know, uh, yeah, because it's um I think I've only had like a few instances where that's actually happened in the DMs where like they wanted to like take me out on a date or something, and um there's like such a fine line as to how to respond because it's like girl to girl, I'm like, oh, but we're girls, like I love my girls, but it's like I personally know myself and I know like I want to be married and like have kids and I want to be with a guy, so it's like respectfully like thank you. You're beautiful too. I think all women are beautiful, but it's like um we can hang out, we can be friends, uh-huh. But it's like drawing. I don't want it,
The Travel Fling And Fate Scenario
SPEAKER_02girl.
SPEAKER_01I don't want it. I want the whole shebang.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but that doesn't happen too often, honestly. It really doesn't.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it doesn't? Oh man, I'm surprised as hell. I have a scenario for you. Um the only reason why I'm bringing up this scenario is because one of my battle buddies in the military, she brought it up to me, right? She's like in her 50s. Um she travels, and she's when she travels, she travels alone, and she's nothing, she's not looking for like any sexual thing, nothing to be romance, she just wants to travel and see the world. I threw in this little bone asking, I was like, yo, but you love K drama, you love, you know, K rom-Coms. What if you're on these, you know, these um these excursions and you met a fellow? You know, and the fellow's like super respectable, right? Um, would this fellow have a chance while you're on this excursion? Like, not even, you know, not in not to get in the pants, it's just like a like a one night fling of man, I just we held hands at the Eiffel Tower and we saw the stars, you know, like the whole, yeah. Would you give that guy a chance if you're on this excursion and you know, like everything's all aligned? Would you give that guy not the booty, but like the time?
SPEAKER_02Like while we're there together, or like we're out outside of the excursion as well.
SPEAKER_01Hypothetical, here we go. You're on you're on a train, you're going from uh SoCal to NorCal. That's like a good 17-hour train ride. You are in a cart, watching everything go by. A guy comes by, says, Hey, can I sit next to you? You say yes. From that interaction, you guys are bumping into each other. He asks you out to go eat breakfast with him. Now you guys are going to the same destination, and you guys are um like you know talking. Can this become a fling on this trip that you're having?
SPEAKER_02I feel like it would depend like what what the vibes are.
SPEAKER_01Like Okay.
SPEAKER_02You know, like if they're like creepy coming up, I'd be like, no.
SPEAKER_01No to the breakfast?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like if it feels weird, like because I like to think I have a good sense for people's intentions. So if I just feel like it's just not it, I'm like, no.
SPEAKER_01Let's redact it then. What if his intentions were good? What if he was traveling alone too, and then just like, hey, I see you're traveling alone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Would you like to have breakfast?
SPEAKER_02I'm always good for like, you know, a nice little story for the plot. Come back and be like, hey, you'll never believe what happens. Like a little main character moment.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh. Okay. You reached your, you went to the airport, you guys flew different ways, you link up in Europe. Like you saw him again in Europe.
SPEAKER_02At that point, I'd be like, is this fate? Like, what's happening?
SPEAKER_01So are you gonna give this guy the time of day now? Yeah, because you're at a bistro and he's like, Kali? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02If we're across the world, something in my head's gonna be like, why do we keep bumping into each other? We were just in Cali, now we're in Europe. Like, what's going on? Like, you have to be like meant to be in some part of my life. Like, I don't know if I'd automatically be like, oh yeah, this is gonna be like romantic, but I would be questioning what's happening.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like what's going on in your main? Like, is this a f is this a sign from God?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, or that's what I'd literally think because I'm like, how am I seeing you across there and now across the pond?
SPEAKER_01So if all the signs are there, you're gonna move forward.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Cool.
God Opportunities Versus Good Ones
SPEAKER_01Have um in the music industry, have you seen signs where you're moving forward, but then a robot comes in, you're like, ooh, no, this is not it for me. Like, I can't. This is like interrupting my morals or whatnot. When it comes to Or not or not morals, but like, ooh, this is not a good judgment call.
SPEAKER_02Like when it comes to relationships or just like just the music now.
SPEAKER_01Like what we switched up to music, yeah. Like in your career.
SPEAKER_02Like having discernment within my music career.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like everything's go, go, go, everything's going good, but then you got that, ooh, no, this doesn't feel good.
SPEAKER_02I'm not gonna lie, then this is something like I'm working on because I'm always saying like every opportunity is a good opportunity. I'm like, oh, this seems cool. They want to collab, let's go do this, this event's here, let's go do this. But I think what I've learned and especially having a team around now is being like, okay, everything seems great, but like what's actually what actually makes sense. And also as I continue to grow my relationship with God, it's like what's like a God opportunity instead of just like a good opportunity. Um, I try to like look through it um through that lens too, and like prey on things because I'm just so good at being like thinking everything's great all the time, and I'm like, let's go after everything because what could go wrong? But it's like there's a lot of things that will look good, but was never meant for you.
SPEAKER_01What's a sign of a or you said God and good opportunity, right? What's what's the like how can you differentiate the God and the good?
SPEAKER_02I think it's sometimes a little, it's a little hard at first, but that's why I go into prayer about it and like really see what is my spirit saying, what do I feel like God is telling me, and then I'll also go to you know, you have like a good counsel around you too, like a godly counsel, and so a lot of people who are on my team or around me a lot, like they are a part of that. So I'll present the situation to them, see what they say, because a lot of times I can't rely on my like understanding of it again because I just think everything's so good. Yeah, and I know that about myself, so it's good to have like a checks and balances and be like, well, what do you guys think? What did I feel when I prayed about it, and then kind of just processing it from this.
SPEAKER_01Is it a voting process when you talk to your team? It's like, oh, five people said yeah, four people said no. So we go we finna go with these five. You know, it's not it's like a my way or the highway type of situation.
SPEAKER_02It it's not because it's I think there's so many people. Well, there's actually like certain people who who see like a vision, like the bigger picture, yeah, too. And that's also something I know that like I am working on getting better at because I'm so like in the moment and present all the time. Um that I think I lean more on like who's really good at seeing the bigger picture and then going with what actually makes sense for for us to do. But there's there's some times where I'll try to veto and like overrule certain decisions, but I think again it just comes down to what do we feel like is the best for the end goal here.
SPEAKER_01Ooh.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it's really intricate, super intricate.
SPEAKER_01I could I mean I could only imagine what those meetings are like. I mean, of course, it's like you got your you got your moments where it's fun and everything, but when it gets down to the nitty-gritty of making hard decisions, yeah, I could only imagine. Like, are you the hammer sometimes?
SPEAKER_02Like, in what sense?
SPEAKER_01Like, no motherfucker, I need this. Or, no man, we ain't doing it this way, we doing it that way, or hey man, you kind of slack in, get your shit straight.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I used to be. I used to be like heavily. Your manager's doing that now, or it just not it never worked well. Oh really? It just caused a lot of, yeah, because again, if you're pushing so heavily on the things you want and you're not allowing people to collaborate with you at that point, it's like what do you what do you need a team for? Cause you're wanting to do everything the way you want it. Um so I think I had to understand that and really, really understand what does it look like to move as a team and not just always so centered around what I think it should look like.
SPEAKER_01Ooh. When you're performing are your team's going with you too?
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Like flying and everything.
SPEAKER_02You know, as much as we can right now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But one day, one day we're going everywhere. That'll be sick, man. Your whole entourage. Yep. You know how many like goofy movies and pictures that come out of that?
SPEAKER_02I know, and it'll happen.
SPEAKER_01Like, I miss that stuff. Um, when when I was dancing um back in Cali, I really missed traveling like with the squad because we got into like so much, so many hijases.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, and to share like these moments, you know, the good and the bad, with, you know, the people that you're around, like 24-7, especially when you're competing, you're like you're in the what's it, you're in the hall just practicing and everything and collabing on like routines. I miss that shit, man. Like now everything's like all solo solo. But I do wish I have a you know, I have a team. Oh, yeah, you know. So at least someone to talk to invent. Like, yeah, god damn it, man. This shit sucks.
SPEAKER_02You know, I couldn't do it by myself. I absolutely couldn't.
SPEAKER_01Like I'm glad that you have that support system.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, me too. But I I just can't wait till it really gets to the point where I can bring everyone with me because it's gonna be a party everywhere we go.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, your liver.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01Health is wealth, though. It is but then again, YOLO, right?
SPEAKER_02Uh mmm.
SPEAKER_01No, fuck it. Health is wealth.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's
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SPEAKER_02what I'm on right now.
SPEAKER_01Oh, really? Yeah, we'll be finna have this avocado winky we drink.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Some celery juice.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes. Kali, that was fun.
SPEAKER_02That was so great.
SPEAKER_01That was so great. I do appreciate you for coming on. Thank you for the opportunity. Um, where can these people find you at? And do you have any shouts or anything?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you can find all my music on all streaming platforms. It's Kali Flower. That's K-A-L-I Space Flower. If you want to follow me on social media, you can find me at Kali the Girl, K-A-L-I the Girl. And I just want to shout out, first of all, Chris, for having me on the podcast. This has been amazing to see us go from virtual to in person.
SPEAKER_01Yes, that was the word I was looking for. I said internet, virtual. Yeah, virtual.
SPEAKER_02We knew what you meant. Yeah, okay, thank you. But yeah, shout out, shout out you for having me. And I want to shout out all my buds who have been a part of this journey. So many people have been following this 10-day mission that I've had with the new song Speak My Language. But all my buds who have been there from the start, like literally would not be here without everyone. So shout out you, and also shout out my team because I also wouldn't be here without you too.
SPEAKER_01God damn it, Collie. Give them their flowers, hot.
SPEAKER_02Everybody gets flowers.
SPEAKER_01Oh my hell I gotta. Um, KO Studios, thank you for the lovely home. Raffi Bye, always, man. Thank you for the lovely vibe. And with that being said, I'm Chris.
SPEAKER_02And I'm Collie Flower.
SPEAKER_01Thanks for the pause. And then we have this bitch, peace.
