S5E15: Coming Home to Life, Lineage & Land with Amy Babish

This week, I’m joined by the luminous Amy Babish — Amy Babish, MA, LPC, ATR-BC, is a somatic expert, house therapist (Feng Shui), and Alchemical Family & Systems Constellations facilitator. With over two decades of experience (and lifetimes more wisdom in her bones), Amy weaves together ancient traditions, energetic practices, and radical presence to help people transmute pain into power and come home to themselves, their lineage, their land, and their legacies.

We talk about:

• How working with the land, stones, and body became her sacred medicine
• What it actually means to hold space (and why Amy doesn’t do it the way you think)
• The magic of Feng Shui beyond furniture placement to support your environmental magic
• How her unique fusion of modalities supports deep transformation across body, home, and lineage
• Her radical, equity-centered approach to business and healing
• Constellation work, ancestral trauma, and the systemic forces shaping our lives

This conversation is like sitting with a wise woman in the forest—truth, tenderness, and a whole lot of soul remembering.

FIND AMY ONLINE:

🌿 Website: www.amybabish.com 

🌿 Instagram: @amy.babish

🌿 The Soulful Visionary Podcast: Available on all major platforms

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

🌿 Amanda Gibby Peters (Simple Shui)

🌿 Sarah Thomas (Stone Medicine)

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Transcript

Amy Babish: [00:00:00] human luck is like personal work, shame work, mindset work. Like all those things. Then we have cosmic luck, which is like the cosmos, astrology, human design, karma, ancestors, the physical weather.

Yes. Third luck is earth luck. And I understood the land, but I did not understand our home or business environment.

Kylie Patchett: Welcome to the Wild and finally fucking free podcast show. This is a space where truth talking gets real. Behind the scenes grit of the future humans is laid bare, and we are celebrating and sharing the real raw stories of change. Agents, neuros, sparkly people, the witchy wild women, the deep feelers, the unapologetic senses, the status quo challenges, and the huge hearted healers and helpers.

And guiding you through this wild ride of entrepreneurship and full heart led contribution to the world is me, your host, Kylie Patchett, A-K-E-K-P. I am a proudly neuros, [00:01:00] sparkly, natural born, status quo, challenger, and I thrive on helping disruptors rebels and revolutionaries find their voices, amplify their message into the world, and harness their raw potential.

Alchemize it into unleashing your full potency. Not only will I be sharing the behind the scenes of some of the most amazing, most status quo challenging thought leaders, I'll also be lifting the veil behind my own business. In 2024 I 18 Xed my monthly income deal blows my mind to say that. And this year I'm leaning into how joyful and fun it would be to shift from six figures to seven figures in a quantum shifting year.

All through leading from my full unapologetic voice. My unleashed potency and with my big, wildly lit up heart leading the way every single step of [00:02:00] the way. So together with my guests, I am going to be sharing the mess and the magic.

Spilling the tea on the identity shifts behind stepping into thought leadership, breaking the ties that bind us on learning old patterns and reweaving brand new ways of living, loving learning, and leading. We are here to break boundaries, reimagine what's possible, all while collapsing timelines and leading with joy.

Love. And our fiercest wild woman selves. This is not just a podcast. It is a rebellion. It is a revolution. It is an invitation to join the Mad Hatters Collective Movement. And by Mad Hatters, I mean all the colorful, creative, gorgeous world changing out of the box humans out there. If you've ever longed to be wild and finally fucking free, this is your sign to lean in.

Let's get started.

Good [00:03:00] morning, everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I have Amy Babish here, and I'm so freaking excited for this conversation. Hello, Amy. How are 

Amy Babish: you? I am so excited to be coming to you from outside of Washington, DC on Dogeland. So beautiful. So beautiful. What's the temperature like today for you? Uh, we're having like spring it's chilly and sunny and golden sun, but also it's muddy.

So that's, that's spring here. You had me there until the mud. Yes. Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: Now I came across your beautiful self, um, through Sam Garcia, who I'm always talking about on this podcast. She attracts the most. Gorgeous humans into her orbit, doesn't she? And, um, yeah, and I, I just became like, I've been a little bit obsessed with you.

I'm going to be honest. I've been girl crushing from afar. And then yesterday you had me on your podcast. And so I get to start two days running with Amy in my life. Um, for those who haven't come [00:04:00] across you and your, like we are, we've, I've got so many questions about all of the magic that you weave together, but.

Can you please try and capture yourself just as a general introduction? 

Amy Babish: A general introduction is I, uh, I had a very traditional background. I was a art therapist. I'm a credentialed art therapist and a licensed psychotherapist still. Um, but during that time, I, my soul woke up when I had my daughter. I started adding many, uh, modalities to compliment my, uh, very, um, Spidey sense intuition.

Mmm. And, uh, I am an alchemist, so I help people come home to themselves. Um, their bodies, um, their homes, their land, their lineages and their legacies. Oh, it just 

Kylie Patchett: like, I, yeah, every single time I listened to another episode of your podcast, I'm like, and she does that and she brings that in and she, but do you know what my favorite favorite [00:05:00] part is?

And, and especially now having received myself like in, in the podcast that we did yesterday, like This just deep, like my sense is that you are so connected to spidey senses, as you just said that. Um, like it's not even really about all the modalities that you weave together. It's just like, I know exactly where I want to just gently, you know, ask or be curious about.

And, um, yeah, it was a, it was a beautiful thing to receive. So thank you. Deeply, deeply, deeply grateful to have had that actually, I don't know whether you can see, but behind me are all the sticky notes where I'm planning my shelving after our conversation about feng shui, which is hilarious. Um, I'm curious, when you say woke up when you had your daughter, so would you say, like, are you going to use the term like spiritual awakening?

Like what do you actually mean when you say woke up? So I've had, 

Amy Babish: you know, I'm a very old soul and, uh, many, many [00:06:00] lifetimes. And in this lifetime, I have had many layers of Remembering who I am and then, you know, minimizing it, putting it in a box for safekeeping or for a special time and forgetting. Yeah.

And, uh, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I had hyper emorysis gravidum, which is famous by Princess Kate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you, you just, you can't stop vomiting. And, uh, There was something about that was a very big initiation. Yeah. Uh. My daughter is my biggest teacher. Um, and I just didn't go back.

There was, there was no box for anything 

Kylie Patchett: anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like unbound untethered. Um, um, actually as you're talking, I know this is not the same thing at all, but what it's reminding me of is I've had a period where I've been getting up really early for calls for [00:07:00] something specific and I have been so tired that it's like.

there's nothing around me to not let it all in. And I feel like maybe the HD, HD, HG with you, with the, like, it's almost like you can't put yourself back in the box because you've got no resources to do that. So you're like wide open. 

Amy Babish: Yeah. I think that I just, every structure I had put in place, I had a lot of structure before.

I'm not this, I was pre, pre that and post that, I am not the same person. Um, I, All the structures that were in place just 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: Thrown out the window. Bile breaks things down. It broke everything down. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Far out. Yeah. When you look at the, yes. And from a five elements perspective, like, okay, we have been, you literally were returned to the mush of the cocoon and then let out the other side.

It's [00:08:00] very cool. How did you, when you started, because you were already, so when you think back to before that. Like the psychotherapy and the way that you held space for people then, was it also, do you, do you look back and go, that was quite a rigid, like rigid may not be the right word, but like the right way and the wrong way of doing psychotherapy with people.

Amy Babish: So I went to one of the first, um, art therapy programs in the world for graduate school, uh, which is GW, uh, art therapy program. And it was a Freudian program at that time, just beginning to come into. Like a more modern practice. Yeah. Yeah. And so we were analyzed and So I come from a very complex background as do most healers and helpers.

Yes, and I started to understand why I chose it And very different than talk therapy. I think art therapy gave me with the expressive materials and the modalities, it [00:09:00] gave me a way to not, um, reinforce the rigidity that was coming through, uh, Freudian paradigm. And then I, for the first 10 years of my career, I was a sex abuse and sex trafficking, uh, art therapist.

I do remember that. Yes. And drug trafficking. So, and this was during the time of the wire on HBO when I was working with the Kingpins That were middle schoolers in high school in DC and girls that were being sex trafficked before it was like really realized. Um, and so I was doing things with a lot of intuition that my supervisors and mentors didn't quite understand.

But I think my healership was there because that's who, it's who I am. It wasn't the modality. And, um, the efficacy that I had was just like, they couldn't understand it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: So, so now, now I know how to articulate that. Yes. I think that they thought I was like hacking the system somehow, somehow, like you can't really do it for complex.[00:10:00] 

Um, and I had a supervisor. You have to, you have to internships in graduate school when you're a therapist. And my. First internship was with, it was a special education school in D. C. And it was like all of the most challenging, um, most super multi system involved kids. And it was 25 of them and one school up from five, five years to 21 years.

And the staff, there was 30 staff and it was an all black staff, all black students, and only. Myself, my supervisor, and my other peer art therapy intern were, um, white bodied, and I think being, um, really understanding racism back and white privilege and all the things back in 2002, I was initiated in a different way that also allowed my craft to be quite different than what I was learning in graduate school, what I was learning from professors, what I had in my Um, [00:11:00] practice of clients for those first 10 years.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. I just, like, I'm always talking about the golden thread that runs through people's lives and like the perfection of you being in that specific, like, like I could already see it's like, as you said, healership, like this natural. Um, ability to see and feel and sense and all of those things. But then, you know, I love how life then meets you and gives you the environments to bring it to the surface.

I feel like I want to ask about like, when you're, when you're adding in modalities after you wake up, like, I'm curious about like, how, like, did you just follow your like curiosity intuition? Cause there's so well on the surface, at least really, when I look at it now. understand better. I'm like, Oh yeah, I can see how that, but like, which one came first and what did you get 

Amy Babish: led to?

Oh yeah. People ask me all the time, even people like colleagues who've known me for over a decade, 20 years. Right. So, [00:12:00] uh, the first one that came through, I, my, my ex husband is a Japanese national. 

Kylie Patchett: And so 

Amy Babish: when we had our daughter, before we had a daughter, I said, Um, you know, it's very unusual to have a gaijin wife and, uh, lots of class differences between us.

I grew up very, like, very poor. Yes. Um, he grew up in a very elite family, like samurai family. So, um, you know, my story is so complicated on so many levels. I chose. I love it. I love it. 

Kylie Patchett: We may need a full 

Amy Babish: episode of podcast talk. So I said, we can't have a child unless we're going to live in Japan with your parents.

Yes. Yes. Because. I don't want, I can't, no matter how much my intention is, I can't be Japanese. And so we lived with my in laws. 

Kylie Patchett: And 

Amy Babish: for five months, and, um, I don't know Australia very well, but it would be like being in an upper class, um, suburb and in a big city in America. Yes. Yeah. And, [00:13:00] um, even there, even it's outside of Osaka and even there, everybody would say like, Oh, The gaijin woman who has a, um, you know, a Japanese baby on her back.

Um, so everybody would see me. I was very like watched and a lot of, um, a lot of class particulars came out in that experience that, um, I thought I had worked through all the shame that I had done in all my personal work. Yeah. Yeah. It came, um, rushing through. It's like. Yeah. Right in my face. So at that time, my dad had sent me Brene Brown's video of her vulnerability TED talk.

And this was before this was in 2011. So long time ago. And so I wrote to her and I said, I work in public mental health and can I have a scholarship to come to your training? 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Wow. 

Amy Babish: So [00:14:00] that was the first layer. And then I was invited to be a consultant for her, and I was the youngest, I was the only art therapist, I was only, only, only, only.

Yep. I feel like this is a common theme here though. 

Kylie Patchett: This is a common theme for me. The unique unicorn that is Amy. 

Amy Babish: For better and for worse. Um, so, I was invited to be a consultant for her. Out of thousands of people, there's 12 consultants and, you know, I'm so grateful to her. So much happened through her for me.

I was the first of three people on the East Coast. And then I had a multiple private practice group therapy associate, uh, office. People came to me far and wide. And from that, in that, um, Brene Brown phase. I wrote to the only woman in Japan being, uh, trained by Brené. And I wrote to her, and this was when we had AOL, and I said to her, this was in, um, 2012 or 2013.

I was like, 

Kylie Patchett: what? Hang on, AOL? Yeah, I remember that. 

Amy Babish: [00:15:00] Right, back then. So, I think it was 2012, maybe 2013, I wrote to this woman and I said, um, I see that you're getting trained. Can we have a conversation? Cause I'm curious to know if you believe that shame is necessary, given that you're Japanese. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Amy Babish: And so that was like my heart pound.

I'll never forget how I was terrified of hearing her answer. I'm like, does she believe that Jane can be used to help people, you know, do the right thing? Quote, unquote, I'm using air quotes. Yes, yes, yes. Um, for like to make people comply and I just have, I'm tearing up because shame is different in Japan.

Yeah. And many people are like, it's so safe and it's so beautiful, but there's a lot of shadow there. And, um, we built a really like an eight year working relationship and I, um, invited her to my home. We both have biracial daughters and she's married to an [00:16:00] Australian. And, uh, our daughters are the same age.

And so I said, you know, Brene was saying you need to co facilitate with someone to learn the work. Um, and so I said, come to my home in Washington and we'll invite my clients to my office and we'll do an intensive together. And so we started partnering that way and very soon I was like, okay, thank you Brene.

And there's a lot more that we both carry to do this work. So she, she introduced me to Constellation Work. Oh, wow. Then she was like, you know, next time you're in Japan, bring everybody down. She lives in a different region than Osaka. And, uh, we went to this national park above the clouds. And this was the first time I realized that the rocks can talk to me.

And so we're in this national park above the clouds, and the stones boom to me. Her name's Miyuki. You need to ask Miyuki if she wants to have you bring your clients to her region of [00:17:00] Japan. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I don't know the stones can talk to me. Did I imagine it and They boomed again and we're walking out of this National Park and I said to her, you know, how would you, what do you think about, um, bringing some of my clients, inviting some of my clients to come to Japan and doing a retreat here?

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. 

Amy Babish: And she started weeping and she said, this has been a dream of mine for 25 years. Oh, my goodness. She's in America. She's a nurse by training. She's like my whole life. I've wanted to bring people to share my part of the world. And. I didn't know that I was a stoneless at this point. Wow. So that's just a small 

Kylie Patchett: I am here for every single bit of this story.

Far 

Amy Babish: out. So, when Miyuki got to know me, she said You know, there's only other one person that I know that understands energy the way that you do, and it's a friend and a [00:18:00] mentor. And so his name is Dan. And so I met Dan and Dan is an economist turned healer. And I have a sense for you and some of your listeners who probably know a lot of a lot about different modalities.

He was. Uh, one of the early adopters of the Barbara Brennan School, which then became Core Energetics. And yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, he then kind of made it into his own, his own school, which is no longer around, but it's called the Lionheart School. Um, and so Dan changed my life. Wow. And yeah, so Dan taught me about somatic work and energy work and.

I just kind of had thought like this is just how it's going to be because I just carry so much trauma and I'm, I'm really well adjusted at this point, but I just was like, this is just what it's going to be like. And Dan was like, you're a natural healer, Amy, and like, you already know how to do this and I'm just going to teach you how to refine it.

And you need to start doing this with your psychotherapy [00:19:00] clients. And at this point I am seeing like people in the news and of the news. Like Executive World Bank people success. Yeah. Lobbyist people all around the world. And I'm like, uh, you want me to do what? ? 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. Hang on a minute, . 

Amy Babish: I mean, I'm listening, but I don't know whether they're gonna be for it.

So 

Kylie Patchett: what magic unfolds 

Amy Babish: when you start doing this? So I start, I start doing this, and so for those people that. Want to know what that is. So it's basically somatic work around receiving life force that goes beyond just putting like your feet on the earth. And so, um, I have a whole cadre of free meditations on insight timer of this modality.

And hang on a 

Kylie Patchett: minute, I'm 

Amy Babish: just making a note. 

Kylie Patchett: Everybody. 

Amy Babish: I'm like already, I'm like, how do I get more of this juju? This is, this is, so Dan taught me that modality and he taught me about, um, what we call like in modern day times, like [00:20:00] somatic experiencing and sensory motor psychotherapy. Those are developmental trauma models and they use the five patterns and the five patterns aren't rank order, but Barbara Brennan school predated those things.

And so, you know, just like Freud and young, like they all want to be like top. Nugget. Yeah, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Amy Babish: Um, so that pissing competition really, it comes from that, it comes from that modality. So, yeah. Yeah. I can look at somebody and not even be in person, and I can see their structure of how they protect themselves and what they've been through.

So, um, fascinates me. This goes, this goes outside of like Daoism, it goes outside of Constellation work, but I can, yeah. look at someone's face, or their hands. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: And how they hold their body, and where they hold their body weight or lack of it. And that's what, that's what Dan taught me. He taught me so much.

Um, and. Sorry. Don't. Please go. No, no, go ahead. 

Kylie Patchett: Go ahead. No, no, no, I just wanna, because, I feel like there's, you obviously have [00:21:00] an innate ability to do a lot of this, but it's almost like, um, it sounds to me, at least if I'm understanding that finding mentors that were just able to, was it help you? Not understand as in make sense of, but, but help,

I'm not, I'm for a wordsmith, I'm lacking words. Like help you, uh, I want to say funnel or shape what is already this natural felt sense into something that can be kind of layered into different modality, you know, like how would you 

Amy Babish: describe, because. I would say that like it helped me, like I'm someone in this lifetime where integrity is so important.

And, and yes. being in right relationship with power and privilege. And there's a lot of confusion, no matter what we're in around all of that. And especially when people come to us in a vulnerable place, like [00:22:00] I need your help for, for, to think for things to be great or because things are a shit show. Like, I want to make sure that I am really contextualizing the fullness of what it is versus like, when it's just like, not full.

It becomes like more of Amy, like Amy's doing this versus like, yeah, it really, Dan really helped me to, to realize that I do have this innate way about me, but he helped me to harness and refine how I receive. The support to do the work, so a big difference that the way that I work versus how other people work is I do a lot of group and retreat work and a lot of people talk about holding space and this is where it's like, whoa, when Amy does this, this is very different.

I don't hold space and I teach people when we're doing group work [00:23:00] or retreat work, I teach them how to be held. And so when I explain, you know, I am a vessel and the 10, 000 that came before me are behind me and the mountains and my mentors and my guides and, and, and. They're all behind all of us. And so I lean on them.

I don't, I don't effort or push Amy's energy into the circle. And I don't have to like effort when I'm, I do like my, my retreat days are quite long, like 10, 13 hour days. So I'm not efforting. And when we're in a circle, the way that I explain it is. If it's virtual or if it's in person, rather than leaning in like a scratch and sniff sticker, which maybe not all of your viewers can even our listeners can listen or think of.

Oh no, I'm pretty sure we were all the same vintage. It's all good. Right, like what's happening? What's [00:24:00] happening with Amy? What's happening with Kylie? Yes, yes, yes. I teach them how to bring their energetic self back. And especially, especially women who are culturated to like, be like, Oh my gosh, that's so scary.

Or Oh my gosh, that's so sad. I tell a story about one of the retreats I facilitated, um, where someone had just lost their partner and she hadn't. Really fully processed it. It was like a year, a year out. And she was sitting between two women who really thought that they were coming from like a really meaningful place.

And she was sobbing. And they leaned in to comfort her. And it was quite complicated. 'cause this is a group of global majority women. I'm a white bodied global minority person. . Yep, yep, yep. Like I'm like, we're all gonna take a breath. Yes. And we're gonna just see what happens when we do somatic work with this woman.

Yes. And each of us who might want to be comforting, we don't know if she actually wants that. 

Kylie Patchett: [00:25:00] Yes. 

Amy Babish: And so we did a whole process. And I also shared from another, another group that a woman who had really been like, um, kind of suffocated or over parented. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: She said in a virtual group that I held during the pandemic, she said to the whole group, not knowing anyone else's background, she said, I'm so glad that no one in this group rescued me.

Because I'm capable and yes, I cry a lot, but like, I don't want anyone saying like, are you okay? And I shared that before I did the process work, the somatic work with the group. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

Amy Babish: and this woman like found the depth of her true self. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, 

Amy Babish: and she was able to connect with kind of the spiritual teachings and medicine of that whole process for her.

And she was able to say, you know, This whole year and my whole life people have always comforted me and I didn't know that I was capable of getting through this yeah, and [00:26:00] Other women in the group spoke up and said, like, you know, I didn't know I was doing anything wrong for people when I went to comfort them.

And so when, when I'm teaching people about really just being with the intensity of the emotion that comes up in you and the sensation that comes up in you, holding space becomes a whole different process. And then. Our focus isn't on like, am I holding space enough? Or why wasn't the space held for me?

And it's like, that's all my own shit. Yeah, exactly. 

Kylie Patchett: That's it. It's just total. Yeah. My mind is trying to differentiate here. Oh, I love this whole conversation. Um, I, when you said culturated, like to me, I just want to ask like how, I know this is. It's like a hypothetical question, but I would really love your just gut feel answer.

How much of our conditioned and culturated response to emotion is part of the problem [00:27:00] of the being stuck in the story and the trauma and the, you know, et cetera. 

Amy Babish: So I think for some people it's definitely somatic work like this lifetime, this experience. for many people, especially when we are the person that feels the emotion and we go into a family system, we go into extended family and like, no one else feels grief.

And I feel like a Banshee that is ancestral work. And so, you know, some families feel grief, like it's cotton candy. What, what's grief? Like, I don't really know what that is. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I'm working with people, it's not a one size fits all approach. So it's like, I'm discerning which door is going to be most meaningful.

Not that it won't be ancestral at some point, but in this present moment, what does someone need? Yes. And, um, you know, when we take [00:28:00] like a, broad brushstroke to what people's experience are. We're missing the refinement of, that might be true for 90 percent of the people, but this person actually does need ancestral work, but this person actually needs like some capacity building that they didn't know they had.

So it's like, I never know, even when I do all my like checking in before I work with somebody, I never know exactly what it's going to be until the present moment. Yeah. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. That is what I saw. Appreciate and enjoy listening because on your podcast, you're actually holding sessions for people. Right.

So it's like fly on the wall. Like I just fascinated, obsessed, as I said before, in a healthy way, I'm sure. But no, I, I just love, I love hearing and listening and I, and I have such a deep, um, resonance with listening to voices, particularly when, you know, in that, you know, so. Yeah. I'm listening to you [00:29:00] and I'm hearing and you know, obviously you're talking with the person that you're talking to, but there's always this.

Deep presence.

Like I never feel like you're rushing or it's very clear to me that there's never a thing that you are wanting to get to, like there's no agenda or there's no, it's not Amy deciding that this person needs this and that's where we're going. And it's just this. And now that you're actually saying about the, you know, you're not holding space.

I'm like, Oh, I care. And I'm understanding a little bit more of this because I do feel like you are very. relaxed and lent back almost and you're just allowing whatever happens to happen. I wonder, can we go back to when you said about like the structure of, of people, like when you, when you say you're a stoneless, like you had the stones talking to you, you've got the ability to see the structure of the body.

Like, is there any [00:30:00] time where this feels like it's too much information coming in or like, is there any. 

Amy Babish: Sorry, that's so part of part of my in my human design chart. I don't know which. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I have an amazing ability to distill really complex information that's esoteric and to really concrete accessible terms.

So it's it's in my chart. I didn't know that before before any of this. 

Kylie Patchett: I love human design. 

Amy Babish: Yes, but it's like it's it's like to me it's like seeing a beautiful painting and the artist is like, Oh, I want to add it. a smidge of this and a touch of this. And it's like, especially for like something like pointilism, it's like so many complex things.

Yes. I would be like, I'd take the Pointilism and I'd make it into like a five by five thing and I'd be like, this is the essence of the Pointilism. . Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Distilled for your pleasure. . Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. So, um, so you're taking a lot in but also [00:31:00] are able to distill a lot to, yeah. Gotcha, gotcha.

Amy Babish: So, the technical term for it is called differential diagnosis. Mm hmm. So, we had a show in America. And then 2000s called house. Yes, yes, yes. So I, I am like a house. Yeah. So I can hear like you think that this is the problem and then I want to get everything like I want to know about your home. I want to know about your land.

I want to know about your sex life. You're about your digestion. Yes. I am really good. And I want to know about, you know, most people don't know about their ancestral field. Yes. You know, that's a factor that I'm holding. Mm hmm. So I hear about all those things, and I hear about your intention, and you think that you need this.

Um, and it's like, let me tell you what you really 

Kylie Patchett: need. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I just, yeah. I love, I love being a fly on the wall. Um, I want to come back to the layers of things. So the, so the stone starts speaking to you, like Brene stones, et cetera. And then you've done the [00:32:00] constellations. When does, when do you start connecting to like the land magic and then working with Shway and like, like all these other things.

Because exactly like you said, like, you know, you're able to work with the individual, but then you're thinking about that, not thinking, feeling into the family constellation. And then, like, I feel like it's just like, and then, 

Amy Babish: and then, 

Kylie Patchett: and then. 

Amy Babish: So the stones and the land started talking to me first. So another layer was, I was, um, a nanny in Beverly Hills in college.

Of course you were. Of course I was. Um, and so I hadn't been back to LA in over 20 years and I had met someone on a retreat who invited me back to LA and I went to my first holotropic breathwork session. Yeah. Um, and it was on 1212, which is Christ Consciousness Day. And so I go to a Venice Boulevard place.

I think it was Rama Institute. And, [00:33:00] um, her name's Madeline Giles. She's wonderful. If you want, um, angelic breathwork, she's wonderful. Um, I know her to this day. This was in 20, 14. I remember that I am an Asean and that I, um, brought people to sacred mountaintops and I had people, um, creating, opening the grid of love, um, and mountaintops before Jesus incarnated.

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Amy Babish: Oh my goodness. So I was like, every time these things happen for me, Kylie, it's like, I made that up. Yeah. I'm like the rocks. Yeah. Rocks in Japan. I made that up. Yeah. And then, then like every single time something continues, it's like, okay, let's drop that. Um, so I knew that I knew at that point that I had a deep connection to sacred lands [00:34:00] and that land talked to each other and that mountains talk to each other 

Kylie Patchett: and 

Amy Babish: I started to just I with nature more, and so I started to walk with the woods.

We have a big national park in DC that people don't know about. So I would walk in the national park every day and talk to the land. And at this point, I was asking for a miracle in my marriage. And so I would walk as much as I could and hike as much as I could. Um, it wasn't every day at that point, but I started to really understand that I could talk to land.

Yeah. So when we went to have the first retreat in Japan. The day that we flew to Japan was the day that Trump got elected the first time. And so I thought we were having a different kind of retreat and it was not. And so I went and walked in these sacred mountains in Japan. And I just said, you know, I know I've been given incredible gifts.

I live in DC. I don't think this is a coincidence. What, what, what would you have you do? 

Kylie Patchett: [00:35:00] Yeah. 

Amy Babish: And so they were like, you're going to bring together all of your clients and you're going to bring. together 50 women to rise up against Trump and it was November and they said you're gonna do this in February and so I had my my first Almost 50 woman retreat And I brought together people from all parts of my life 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

Amy Babish: and this was before my clients really knew each other.

And so I felt like such a rule breaker I felt like oh my gosh, I'm gonna be found out Psychotherapist not supposed to be doing this at the time. Mm-hmm . Now it's like, okay. But this was almost, you know, almost a decade ago. Yeah. It's 

Kylie Patchett: a yes. Yeah. 

Amy Babish: And so I had everybody say their real name, their full name.

So I'm Amy Christine Babish, and a lot of these people, you know. They have like national security clearances, all kinds of things. So one woman, um, she used to be an attorney. She's like, I used to be an attorney, but I'm really a priestess of ISIS. And so my clients are like, what the hell did you bring me [00:36:00] to Amy?

Like, what the fuck is this? And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is the goddess ISIS. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, all right. I didn't even, my brain had not gone down there. I was just going, that's cool. Right. Yes. Okay. 

Amy Babish: So the goddess and you know, people were like, I'm a, you know, I work at the World Bank during the day, but I'm really, you know, a sacred sexual, like goddess, like people would say all kinds of things.

And it was like, I was wanting people to see each other as whole people. And we, you know, at that time, um, Glennon Doyle was like, look for the helpers. I'm like, y'all are the helpers and y'all are going to make. Like miracles happen in the city. And so that's, you know, every time I would go to the land. So on that retreat, I talked with the land it's outside of Virginia.

I talked to him on that retreat and that, that land told, I kept on [00:37:00] getting guidance from the land. So that went on for a while. And then, um, the pandemic happened and right before the pandemic happened, I started to get really curious about Taoism. And I wasn't really sure what that was about, but I have a lot of spiritual practices at this point.

I'm very, you know, I'm living a very human life, but I also have so many spiritual practices. And I have, you know, my tantric practices. I'm a tantric coach. I have all these different things already. But they're like, you know, Hey, Daoism, Amy, Daoism. Did we say Daoism? I'm like, uh, really? Anything else? Yeah, really?

Do we? Come on. I was also like an embodied dance teacher. I don't know if you know what Koya is. Uh, I think I may have heard of that. I don't have any reference point though. I'm sure there's Koya teachers in Australia, but, um, Koya was a modality, um, where it's embodied movement and you, it's like a dance, many people call it a dance [00:38:00] class, but it's You remember who you are through your movement, and it's not, I'm a non dancer teaching a dance class at this point, too.

Yes. So, my clients would call it sober Sunday morning dancing with Amy. So, it would be more than just my clients, but like, you know, we would, I would, there's a theme. There would be alchemy. There would be, you know, collective movements around liberation and all kinds of things happening in these classes.

Um, and that's how a lot of people kind of also got to know me during these years. So I was like, I'm okay. I have all these other things going on. So then when really like the lockdown happened, my ex husband found a new house. He's going to get married at this point. And I'm, he wants to move to another state.

We're living, we've been living in this one place. It's called silver spring in Maryland for 20 years almost. And he is with someone who wants to move to Virginia. [00:39:00] And I'm like, I don't know how this is going to work. So I start talking to land and walking, hiking four miles every day. Um, and so I was like, I need a miracle because I don't know how this is gonna my daughter.

Yeah. I don't know how this is gonna work. We have a, we co parent. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Amy Babish: So in that process, my guides say, go look at Amanda Gibby Peters. And I'm like, what? And then they told me a couple other people and I was like, nope, nope, nope. Amanda, Amanda, I'm willing to check out. So Amanda is, um, simple shui. She's a modern, um, feng shui teacher and she's my mentor and my friend.

And right before I buy my house, right before they show me the house, they're like, you need this. So I miraculously can buy this house. And I'm from a lineage where only one other woman has ever bought a house by herself. My business is still a scatterplot. We probably, I can ask you questions about [00:40:00] that.

And it was a miracle that, that my guides led me to Amanda, because I have a very challenging home in Feng Shui. And, um, just like relationships, every home has gifts and challenges. Every home has gifts and challenges. And my house in Feng Shui, in traditional Feng Shui, they say, if you have influence with an architect, tell them never to.

Never to build a split level home. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep, yep, yep, yep. Which is what I 

Amy Babish: have. That's what I have as a matter of fact. Um, so, I start to really immerse myself in feng shui, and then the next layer is like, you need to understand the nuance of somatic work through qigong. And so they led me to a qigong teacher.

And they're like, you need to understand the five element theory through qigong. Yes. And you need to understand how, even with a lot of nuance that I had through Dan, And through all the different somatic modalities that I do through polyvagal theory, there's something that those modalities don't, they've lost when it comes to the ancient [00:41:00] wisdom of, um, five elements and the body.

So I become immersed. As a geom practitioner and I am just loving it's like, I'm like, yeah, we're still going to do these things. Yes, but this is what we're going to do a little together. We're going to bring it together. And then from there. When I became a COIA teacher, this was back in 2016. My co facil, you have to co facilitate a class, you go to an intensive.

My co facilitator is this woman who, she had been through a big thing, and she was looking like, she's like, I'm ready for partnership. And so I saw on social media, she came out with a woman. And I was like, oh, oh, okay, um, she's with Sarah Thomas. That's interesting. And this was like back in 2016. So my guides all of a sudden are like, Sarah Thomas is your teacher, Amy.

She's a Daoist stonalist. [00:42:00] And I was like, I've seen Sarah Thomas for almost. Like, you know, close to eight years at this point. Yep. . And so I started, I started studying with Sarah. Wow. And so Sarah goes by they and them. Yeah. Sarah is an acupuncturist by training. Yes. And the first acupuncture needles were stones.

So stone, that was, I didn't say that. Yeah, it was, um, obsidian. Yes. Black obsidian. And so, um, that makes so much sense though. Yes. Stonalism predates acupuncture. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Amy Babish: So the Taoist were using the hospitals that they had in ancient China. Yeah. They were run by Taoist. And so acupuncture came in later, but the Taoist stonalists used elixirs, poultices, and treatments on the meridians with the acupuncture, that later became acupuncture points.

Wow. Um, but she is 80th generation [00:43:00] through the lineage that we're, that we're trained in. Fully. Duly. Yes. Like super prone. So only acupuncturist can study with her mentor. Yes. Yes. The 80th generation. But, um, Sarah's incredible and like Sarah holds information, like she holds information like I do. Yeah. So she is a repository for stones and, um, that just like cracked me wide open in terms of.

um, being able to do distance healing work for me. And then I bring like the refinement of stone medicine into Feng Shui and to people's homes, into their altars, into their manifestations. So it's like, it's all just kind of woven together. And then I decided to dial up the constellation work again. And so I always knew when I was doing constellation work, I'm like, there must be more.

I can feel there's more, but I don't know. I looked up all different teachers. Yes. And it was really important to me to find mentors that. I wasn't going to be with a group of white people again. Like I'm never being in an all white anything. Um, [00:44:00] that's not congruent for me. So I had looked at these mentors for four years.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: This was during the Dallas and the Dallas period, which I'm still in, but all the phases, the chapters. So I'm complete with Koya. I'm still doing a body movement. No more Koya. I'm done with being a psychotherapist. And they're like, it's It's Daoism time, Emmy. And so, with these mentors, I watch them, I'm like, when are you going to diversify your, your facilitator group?

Like, you know, they're not the main trainers, but the people who are going to be the assistants. And I didn't see it, I didn't see it, and then all of a sudden in October, I get an email and they diversified their staff with queer people, with majority people, and I was like, oh, this is my cohort, because my cohort is going to match The facilitators.

Yes. So I go to a week long training. It's a year long cohort. I go to the week long training of 65 people. [00:45:00] And every constellation we're doing is based on teaching. So it's not like a regular constellation that just flows. It's based on a concept. Yes. So my constellation is based on the, we're, we're understanding the phenomenological field.

Kylie Patchett: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hang on a minute. 

Amy Babish: Let my brain catch up. The what now? The phenomenological field. Phenomenological. Okay. So the phenomenological field, we use that in Feng Shui. They don't use that word. Yes. But it's, it's like when you have an altar. Yes. And you bring an object on the altar, it's a representative for something else.

Yes. Yes. Yes. And like the same when you do tarot cards, tarot cards are part of the phenomenological field. They're not different from you, but they're interconnected and representing a whole. Yeah. Gotcha. So with constellation, we're in the phenomenological field just with representation, but they want to like drive home.

The phenomenological field. Yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Amy Babish: So [00:46:00] part of, you know, when we're talking about any kind of work that I'm doing, intention drives everything. And in constellation work, intention makes sure we're in the right guardrails. Because People Google constellation work and like, you know, it's like WebMD, like, don't Google it because you're going to hear all kinds of the same thing with launch way.

You're going to see bad things that aren't, like, those are for people that aren't in the right relationship with it. So the intention I had was to work through kind of all these things that I see in my field, which is the intersection, like my business model still is. reworking itself after four years of making this big change.

Yes. Which for those, for the Cliff Notes, I, I created a social impact business. That's what my guys asked me to do. Spirit asked me to do, um, and people with financial privilege are going to pay me more than people with less. Yes. And, um, I thought for sure my business model would have turned around, and I was really clear when I came to that process that I needed representatives to [00:47:00] understand the intersection of capitalism and racism in my business.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Amy Babish: And also the intersection of misogyny, um, in my family system and in my, Systemic field. Yeah. And I said, my intention is to have a healthy relationship and have a flow of business that is in Right. Relationship with all of this. Yes. So it was the biggest consolation I've ever been a part of. Yeah. It was probably 40 people and Wow.

There were representatives for. Everything you can imagine, including the planets. And so, a cliff note was, you know, misogyny and racism were wreaking havoc in the field. Mm hmm. Like, just like you would imagine. Yes. If they were in a person which we see every day. A hundred percent, yes. And the only thing that helped misogyny was the planet Venus came in and gave the love of the universe and that started to melt it.

Yeah, I was about to say love. And then that impacted racism and many other things happened, but [00:48:00] you know, there are still witnesses because the group is so big. And so we had an altar table with candles and different things. And so at one point, right before racism laid down to go back to mother earth, so mother earth was there too.

One of the candles literally shattered, like the glass container shattered. And so We talked, we processed it afterwards. It was like, the field is so strong in my, in my system that something needed to break for this reorganization to happen. But no one got hurt, but something needed to shatter. And we're like, we couldn't have picked a better phenomenological object, Amy.

Kylie Patchett: So far out, man. This is like intense. I've only ever, ever been part of constellations that are like. Five or six people, and I'm just imagining, yeah, the vastness of that. But of course, if you're working with things as vast [00:49:00] and impactful as racism, misogyny, etc. Um, oh my goodness. I don't, I don't know.

That's why my brain's catching up to me. This never happens to me. So you have, you have outsmarted my very quick brain. Um. When you, how much, like when you, when you say your guides or when the land like gives you this in wisdom next steps, and you said before, like remembering, and then sometimes forgetting, like, is there still resistance when you get these messages or have you developed such a close and like over time built trust in both yourself and also the messages that you just, okay, that's 

Amy Babish: what we're doing.

So I do feel like there's. Like such deeper communication, deeper trust. And when I am like on the edge of something, so I have been, I would say, [00:50:00] like, even though there's been a lot of like massive changes in my life over the past five years in my business, I would say I've been in a winter season. And so, and also we talked about this a little bit in our podcast session yesterday.

Perimenopause sent me in 2020 and I thought like, what is going on? And then this past summer in 2024, I had like roving hot flashes that I've never heard of anyone having. Like I was having five to nine an hour and I said that yesterday I was like, Whoa, that's intense. That's so I just kind of, I was kind of at that point, like I thought I was up with Dan.

Like, is this what the rest of my life is going to be like? Because yes. I just don't see how this is going to reorganize and I think because I made such a massive pivot and it's so ahead of the times. I'm like, yes. It is so, um, I believe in the next five years, anybody that's an expert who is understanding what's happening, we're all [00:51:00] going to move to this kind of model that, a social impact model.

Um, like if you're a carpenter or if you're a medical doctor or anybody that has like an expert level skill set, there's no other way to have equity and like make things work in my mind. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, I agree. 

Amy Babish: So I am oftentimes like so ahead of the curve. Like I chose Brene before anybody knew who she was. Yeah.

Yeah. That's 

Kylie Patchett: what I was thinking 

Amy Babish: before. I'm like, what the hell is this? Like, you know, like all the choices I've made in my life have been way ahead of the curve. And like now, like when, even when I was doing somatic work, people were like, what's that? Yeah, yeah. Now it's always like, what's that? And now it's like, everyone's like, I do somatic work.

I'm like, yes, you do. It's on a continuum. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

Amy Babish: exactly. God bless. Um, like I'm not, I'm not here to like, yes, you channel things and I believe you. And there are people who also need expert level things that are correct. Yeah, there's a whole continuum. We can have a whole conversation on that. Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm[00:52:00] 

So, so now, now I know that I'm coming through the perimenopausal phase of it, and my business is starting to come outta the winter. Mm. I know that Just like. You know, just like some elephants, it takes two years to make a baby, like, to birth a baby. This, this, this human, sometimes it takes five years to birth some shit.

So, I'm like, whatever is, like, whatever is being birthed, it just is taking more time. And so it wasn't that I wasn't hearing messages, but I hadn't been in a phase where I had to be that, that much surrender. Yes. Like, I surrendered for seven years to make, like, pray that my marriage was gonna change. Like I really wanted the marriage to work out and even things in my other life, like my business were really moving forward, but my marriage just was like diminishing returns.

And so, so beautiful. Um, and with this, it was similar that other things in my life were changing. Like I was like the, the craft and the [00:53:00] nuance and the expertise I hold now as a practitioner, it was like, I have more than enough equity work for like 20 people, but I'm like, why aren't the paid people coming?

I don't understand. And part of it, now that I'm coming out of it, now that we're, you know, also I'm a Pisces, Pisces. I have a Pisces stellium for those people who taught those things. And Aquarius is my 12th house. Yeah, like I have Aquarius in my 12th house with Mercury. I'm like beyond intuitive, intuitive.

And Saturn has been in Pisces. And it's not done until, um, 2026. So what I have gotten now that we're kind of coming out of, we're going to be in a respite for a period, is that yes, house therapy will be its own modality always with me. Cause that's, some people just want the house therapy. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: That's fine for me.

But when people come into my orbit. It's like, Oh, you do this. I want this too. And I hate, I'm not an a la carte person. 

Kylie Patchett: And 

Amy Babish: so what the guidance has been over the [00:54:00] past six weeks, I was born with Mars and cancer and retrograde. So this has been a familiar, we're coming out of that for those. I get this feeling.

Yes. I'm like, I know about this, having to go upstream, like Kendrick Marr and speaking of the truth, like that's he's born with that too. So, um, that's my structure. Um, but I have a sense that. My one to one offering is going to be, like, all, all inclusive. Yes. And I have a VIP offering, and that's not for everybody.

So the VIP offering is unlimited sessions with me and unlimited OXR, and I will come to your home. We'll do everything. We'll do all the things. It really is. Australia? 

Kylie Patchett: Will you come to Australia? 

Amy Babish: I will come. Oh, I said to my daughter yesterday, I said, I'm talking to someone in Australia. One day we're going to go there.

She's like, but she's your client. I said, well, she's the client on the podcast, but it's not like that. Okay. She's like, are you sure about this, mama? I said, I have a feeling about it. Me too. Yesterday I'm like, I just met one of my new best friends. [00:55:00] I said, it's happening. I just don't know when. So with that, with that VIP, that person, that client, I have one client like that.

She is so, she's radically. anti racist also, and she knows that a big portion of her payment to me finances my equity work. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yes. 

Amy Babish: So it's not just like I've had this exorbitant rate that's going to Amy. It's that it's, you know, you're paying. Yeah. Yeah. Someone 

Kylie Patchett: else. Yeah. 

Amy Babish: So my, my updated one to one offering, I'm figuring out like.

I think it's going to be three sessions a month. And I think it's going to be, um, at a different price point so that when I do constellation work, sometimes that's like 90 minutes or two hours, a session. If I do Taoist Stonalism, it's sometimes 90 minutes or two hours. If it's somatic work or house therapy on, on average, that's like a 60 minute session, but sometimes it's 90 minutes.

So I would give myself the flexibility in my schedule that no one has to pay [00:56:00] extra. Yeah. And that feels 

Kylie Patchett: really 

Amy Babish: lush to me like that's like, that's, that's what my whole team has been waiting for. Like, okay, Amy, you can't keep on taking people because it's not the right match for what your skillset is and for what people need from you.

Correct. 

Kylie Patchett: Exactly. And I have been having conversations for the last six weeks that keeps on coming into my field with clients and myself, like the work has to nourish you. That's critical. So it's got to be able to sell itself as well as nourish others, and it has to be aligned to your value system. And limer.

Otherwise there's leaky. Yeah. Leaky. I don't know. It's not clean energy. So we're not able to show up and do everything that we can. I was fascinated. I was just flicking through your website. Cause I'm like, I know. What you do, but I just love one line. Well, I love actually a lot of the coffee on there, but, um, one lines, like I'm the person that you didn't like, it's something like, you didn't know that you needed all of this until you [00:57:00] knew that you needed all of this.

Right. So I would love to, because we've talked about all the different modalities, but what we haven't talked about is when you fold all of these things together, what type of things can you address? Cause I'm hearing like. You know, physical imbalances, ancestral work, um, stuck patterns, um, better self understanding, connection to an intuitive, like more intuitive kind of unlocking.

But how would you, how would you try and wrap words around what 

Amy Babish: you can help people with? So You know, I do have like, I am, I was a stellar psychotherapist, yes, but I have the line where people that really need psychotherapy, it's a different energy. Yes. And that's not a good use of my skill set. So it's not about a diagnosis and like coaching world gets that confused.

It's about the amount of, like, I call it like sitting shippa with somebody, like someone that really needs handholding. That's. Not my client. I don't deal with [00:58:00] people with active psychosis, entrenched personality disorder, active addiction. I have people that will come to me and say, like, I want to get sober.

I work with them. But someone who has like a tendency to relapse, that's not who I want to work with. But for the longest time, when I was the psychotherapist, people came to me because They were these super, uber successful people that really had trouble with, if they were married, they couldn't let the love in that was right there and like a big split in them.

But if they were not married, they couldn't find partners, like someone that was really like, not their equal, but somebody that would be a meaningful, healthy, vibrant, like amazing partnership. And so I was the best kept secret for that. Yeah, that's what people came to me for the longest time, but not these days.

I mean, I just had a conversation with someone today, like I had, she's like, I had no idea that Feng Shui could help with these things. Like, yes, like divorce, legal matters, like [00:59:00] fertility. Like I, I help people who have struggled with fertility, like women in their forties. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Amy Babish: Um, I helped for a long time getting pregnant.

I also helped a lot of women in their forties through abortion and through late term abortion. Um, so. You know, I am, I am the person, like, if we were in ancient times, like, I would be the person in the woods that people would come to when, like, I know I need your help, but I don't want anyone to, usually it's like, I don't want anyone to know that I was coming to you.

And so it's not just for like challenging things, but a lot of people that I see now, it's like, they're so clear about who they are, but they don't have a lot of people in their life that are at that place. So they're still, like, struggling and then it becomes hard because. It's like, I don't want to be the person like where everything is really fine.

Like then my friends are like, I've outgrown my friends. And so that's the other kind of person that I see. That's like, I had this referral that came through last year and. [01:00:00] She was like at a fortune 20 company and her executive coach referred her to me. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

Amy Babish: she's like I am like underperforming here and this is not enough.

And so we just got to work with like how good things can get and like let me help you Get your nanny that you you need. Let me help you manifest a promotion here that you really in the c suite team like yeah Yeah, I can't believe like she's like I didn't know my heart was closed off. I didn't know that was the base of this And she was like, I've never paid this much for coaching, but like, there's no amount, like, there's no, you can't put a price tag on it.

You can't put a price tag on like how we got through the work. And like, we didn't even do that much hard work. 

Kylie Patchett: Sign me up. I don't have to retraumatize myself to get all this done. 

Amy Babish: So that's like, you know, some people, it is, it is a slog for some people. We got to do like really. Not just like physical elbow grease, but like deep, deep, deep, spiritual, [01:01:00] ancestral elbow grease kind of stuff.

But other people, it's like, it wasn't that. So it's a scatterplot of different kinds of people that come to see me. And Um, people work with me to birth books, to work businesses, to bring all kinds of, you know, whatever you need 

Kylie Patchett: yesterday, I'm like, I did not like, I thought that what we're going to be talking about was just the just, not that it's just, but you know, new office placement of things, et cetera, et cetera.

And you just opened up so many. Um, like light bulbs of awarenesses and particularly things that I knew were there, but I hadn't like, you know, the remembering, forgetting thing, like, you know, like this is, yeah. And, and yeah, I don't know, like I got off, I got off our podcast and I was like, I think I just remembered who the fuck I am.

That was like, you know, but that's that self [01:02:00] self seeing and self recognition as a result of, you know, some sort of. And you use the word alchemy. It was like, yep, that was it. And I like, but I, I want to, um, I heard you explain once before, although I think it was you, it may have been, I feel like I've also listened to Amanda, Gabby Peters.

So it may be one of you, but just to help people understand. The way that I understand it is that we are traveling like there's, you know, our system. So our system, our energy, our physical body, our emotional, like all of the layers of us. Then there's the astrological, whatever's happening. Yes. And then the third kind of.

Thread that people don't realize they can impact so much as their physical environment and the land that they're on. And that relationship is that it was you, wasn't it? 

Amy Babish: I'm pretty sure that was. Yes. And Amanda might have. So I did learn it from Amanda, but she really didn't share it publicly. And I started sharing it publicly because I was like, people need to know it's called [01:03:00] the Taoist trilogy.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. 

Amy Babish: So the Taoist trilogy is from ancient Taoism and it's called Taoism. Human luck with most of our people. That's right. 

Kylie Patchett: Luck. The 

Amy Babish: human luck is like personal work, shame work, mindset work. Like all those things. Then we have cosmic luck, which is like the cosmos, astrology, human design, karma, ancestors, the physical weather.

Yes. Third luck is earth luck. And I understood the land, but I did not understand our home or business environment. And so when we have a, when we have a, um, a tendency to be like, I just need to change my mind about this. I need to think about this differently. We're putting too much power into something that doesn't have the same amount of impact.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. That has been my entire life. Like, like I even trained in many, many mindset modalities back when my, you know, my first iteration of my business and I was really became, yeah, like you can get so locked in and I'm like, your mind can only perceive like tiny, tiny, tiny amount. And also. [01:04:00] I've become so much more clear lately about like the mind's job is to like box differentiate to say like that, you know, it's a real, like this or that, whereas like our heart merges and our body senses and like, there's so much more nuance and understanding and wisdom and depth there.

And I'm like, Oh, all this time. But then I, you know, I look back at the way that, you know, the family I grew up in, like, you know, this was very like chin up is where your worth is, you know, connected. Um, I feel called to, I know I'm going almost back to the beginning, but I wanted to ask you, you've said a couple of times, like you have a complex history, like your own history.

What would you,

I'm interested to hear what you would say about, because I, I do, as you have already alluded to like that pattern of like lots of healers and helpers. Go through, you know, big, you know, [01:05:00] transformation and, and potentially trauma. What is your thought? What are your thoughts on that? I, I'm interested to see, like, yeah.

Amy Babish: So I think, I think the confusion that happens is that what has been like really, unfortunately promoted in the coaching industry, and especially among, unfortunately, business coaches. Is because person X healed themselves through this breath work, or through this mindset work, or through this yoga practice, or through their channeled process.

It becomes really confusing when that's promoted as that's the way you should use a one size fits all approach for everybody. And that's really hard, and then also when there's not, when we carry a wound of, this is constellation work, when we carry a wound of being a parentified child. Where we had to be the big one.

Yeah. Putting my hand up. Yeah. Either underfunctioning or [01:06:00] addiction or abuse. Where we didn't have a stable caregiver. That's a lot of people. You can't, in the flow of life, become the big one. And so we carry the confusion then. For this kind of person, what happens sometimes is we go to training programs and we pick mentors that can't show up for us.

Or the other confusion that happens for this kind of person is We want our students or our clients to give us the affirmation or, 

Kylie Patchett: or my goodness, yes, that is a massive red flag. I'm seeing that a lot at the moment. I'm seeing that a lot 

Amy Babish: too. And so all of us carry wounds, but it's like, do you have, do you have the support to help you to see the whole picture of, are you coming from like a Yeah.

Healers should place like, yes, you've healed your wound, but there's a difference between healing your wound and being able to be a healer. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Amy Babish: Yeah. [01:07:00] 100%. And that is, that is the next layer of where we're headed. And I think with everything that's going on, that's going to be clarified in the next three to five years that my, my hope is that people have the humility to say, I'm sorry, I shamed you.

I'm sorry. I made you pay me more money when I had no business asking you for money and I didn't have the skill set. Um, and that people, like I saw someone the other day, just the other day, she was a business coach and now she's a completely different, like how to be at stay at home mom and have friends group.

You don't always have to tell a story in your business story, but like, I really hope that people are able to see like, this is where my gifts could actually be appreciated. And this is where my skill set is. This is where my expertise is. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Amy Babish: Versus the confusion that business coaches say is like, if you just did this and you just told your story more, you marketed more.

It's like, that is such confusion. [01:08:00] And causes a lot of harm. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

Amy Babish: yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: exactly. Yeah. Causes so much harm. I I've actually had, um, a post, I mean, I often have things writing in the background of my mind. Um, I used to be a forensic biologist, my very first like career and, um, something that we used to be like, so drummed into us in those days, like you're giving expert witness testimony.

So you're on a stand and potentially, you know, for weeks and weeks on end. And. You learn to be extremely discerning with what you can and can't answer. And the standard reply is Um, that's outside of my area of expertise. You'll need to redirect your question. And the post that is bubbling in my heart, because I'm yeah, very fired.

I feel too fired up to write it yet because I'm like, Ooh, there's a lot of like stirred up emotion. This is not going to be a clean and clear message is that. I'm seeing, [01:09:00] and this is a reason why I actually left coaching in the first place back in 2017, when I was like, I can't do this. I can't be part of this system of oppression.

Like we are doing harm the way that coaching is set up. It's just more of the same shit that these coaches are saying, Oh no, I'm not this. And I'm not that. And I'm like, yeah, you are this system. This, the way that you run your business, the extractive way that you treat your clients and the way that you are always outside of your expertise, because you can make money by saying you're outside your expertise.

That is the system. Right. Like stop fucking around saying it's something different. But yeah, I'm so glad that you, yeah, raised that because I think, I feel like the people with the integrity to not step outside or who, like yourself, are drawn to the new threads to, to weave in and answer that call. Like, I feel like sometimes it's very discouraging for those of us to see the other people doing it the other way and just being like, what, how can people not see?

But I'm, yeah, [01:10:00] I do feel like the pendulum is like very, very close to the tipping point of like, like we can't get any further into harmful mode. Maybe we can. I don't know. Anyway. Well, but midcourse correct. What can we do with this way to try and get this shit out? 

Amy Babish: There's a lot of intentionality coming through this person.

I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, people have been through so much harm. And they put their trust and their energy and their time and their money and their hope. And to people who mean it's not about having good intentions, just like anything else with oppression. It's not about that. So my, my hope, my intention, my, my prayer is that the system in systemic work the system always writes itself.

Yeah. With the right resource. Yes. So the right resource will come in. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that's the wintering too, right? It's like. Yeah. Maybe you've [01:11:00] been wintering to store up your acorns of energy and resourcing ready. I wonder. I wonder that about a lot of us. 

Amy Babish: Oh 

Kylie Patchett: my goodness. So many more questions, but I'm going to tie up.

I would, I would love for you to share. So you have an amazing podcast. You also have, like, I know that you're re juicing offerings at the moment, but is there anything else that you would like to tell people about, about how you can be found or how they can tap into your beautiful medicine? 

Amy Babish: I have a, I have a newsletter that I occasionally write for.

Um, and I am going to be birthing an offering. I think it's going to be coming maybe in May. Yeah. So after this podcast launches, maybe May or June, but I do sense, uh, a virtual group is going to be birthed that ends with a week long retreat someplace. And I don't know where that's going to be yet, but. My other group, my other year long program is for retreats at my home, which is quite hard for people to get to, especially from Australia.

I looked at that. I looked, I looked deep [01:12:00] into working with 

Kylie Patchett: you in that offering. I was like, I really want to do this. 

Amy Babish: Yes, please tell us more. Yeah, so I'm feeling into that group and where it's going to be, but it would probably be something like two groups a month. Yeah, gorgeous. You get to do, you know, some process, but mostly constellation work with me, which is, um, super charged and amazing.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Amy Babish: Um, and so that feels like that is the next group offering that I'm going to have, um, to give people. Some, some flexibility where it's like, okay, one week I can do my, my schedule, my calendar, but I can't do four trips to someplace. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That feels like the next, the next thing that's going to be birthed.

Kylie Patchett: Oh, that sounds luscious. Please share if, if it's becoming clearer before we start, please share so we can put it in the show notes.

I just love every single. Cell in your body and everything else that makes you up. [01:13:00] You have, yeah, just what a gift to the world. Thank you. Thank you. And I want to come back to like intention, intention, intention. I have never, ever seen anyone move through. The business landscape with such a clear and clean presence, and it's just a joy to observe and watch and learn from.

So thank you. 

Amy Babish: Thank you, Kylie. You've seen a lot of people. So I, I, I take that. I receive that with my whole being and yeah, thank you. And I know that our paths can continue to intersect and unfold and, um, I feel 

Kylie Patchett: like we need to meet again tomorrow morning just to make sure I 

Amy Babish: know just keep it rolling. I mean, yes, and one day I will see you under the big cosmic sky in Queensland, and I will remember the moment you shared that with me and it will live in me forever.

Kylie Patchett: Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for coming and sharing your, your story with us. [01:14:00] 

Amy Babish: Thank you. Thank you.

Kylie Patchett: There you go. Beautiful. One another delicious, juicy truth talking episode with a disruptor, rebel, or revolutionary sharing the identity shifts and the mess and the magic of leading right on the edge of your expansion and going first as a visionary leader, as a woman, creating a business and inviting people to completely new ways of learning, living, loving, and leading.

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