S6E21: Human Design as Exploration with Etai Nahary Part 1/2

What if Human Design wasn’t a box, a rulebook, or another identity you had to squeeze into - but a living, breathing storytelling tool?

In Part 1 of this expansive, truth-rich conversation, I’m joined by my friend Etai Nahary, an Intuitive Human Design Guide, multilingual storyteller, and deep thinker whose life journey weaves together psychology, spirituality, disability, and archetypal wisdom.

We explore how Human Design becomes radically more powerful when it’s treated as an exploration rather than a prescription - and how story, language, and self-permission change everything.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Etai’s extraordinary life path - from growing up multilingual to studying psychology, narrative therapy, and spirituality
• Living in a disabled body - and what embodiment, intuition, and “grounding” really mean when your lived experience challenges the norm
• Why Human Design works best as a storytelling framework, not a set of rigid rules
• The danger of dogma in Human Design (and why permission beats prescriptions every time)
• Archetypes, language, and how stories shape our identity and self-worth
• Rewriting internal narratives through Human Design, psychology, and conscious inquiry

🎧 Part 2 continues this conversation with a deeper dive into chart dynamics, energetic patterns, Chiron, and the lived experience of Human Design in real time.

🔗 Connect with Etai Nahary
•Instagram: @intuitivehdguide
•LinkedIn: @intuitivehdguide

Etai offers Human Design explorations including natal charts, connection charts, life cycles, and intuitive deep-dives grounded in psychology, archetypes, and lived wisdom.

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Transcript

Etai Nahary: [00:00:00] Everything evolves.

Etai Nahary: . If it if it doesn't evolve and it doesn't change and it doesn't move, it's not alive, well, it's dead. It's not alive and human designer is a living thing.​

Kylie Patchett: [00:01:00] Welcome to another episode. This is another super juicy episode that we've split into two parts. This is with my beautiful, beautiful friend ETA Nari, who is not only intuitive human design guide, but also a master of languages ah, of narrative storytelling and psychology and. The way that our internal landscape is so dictated by storytelling and the stories that we tell ourselves, the stories that we've been told in our lives.

Kylie Patchett: So this is part one. Let's go.

Kylie Patchett: Yay. Hello everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I always start dancing, but this day particularly because I have my friend Eai Nha here. Hello Eai. How are you? 

Etai Nahary: Hello everybody. It's an honor and a privilege and a pleasure to be here. You have [00:02:00] no idea. 

Etai Nahary: Uh, we have been talking for at least half an hour before we even started recording because we together 

Etai Nahary: And that's just here in this space.

Kylie Patchett: Exactly. We're like, um, we're like popcorn together. It's like, oh, and what about this and what about this and , what about this? 

Etai Nahary: That's what happens when two neuro sparkly brands come together. Ladies in New Orleans. Hello. Exactly. 

Kylie Patchett: Welcome. Exactly. Do what? Also, you are the honorary first gentleman on the podcast in almost four years, so welcome, honorary, first gentleman.

Etai Nahary: I am completely honored and speechless, which doesn't happen to me very often, so enjoy it. 

Kylie Patchett: Now, you and I, we, I'm so grateful. Our pods have. Uh, crossed over a couple of times now, but most recently in, um, you are, what, what are we calling you? Facilitator, assistant teacher, inside of the Human design certification.

Etai Nahary: We, we, we never, we, there's never been a title for it, but I suppose I'm teaching assistant. [00:03:00] 

Kylie Patchett: I would like to say you are the person who answers everything because you are so passionate about human design that you cannot help yourself. But get in there and get excited. 

Etai Nahary: I'll, what, I'll take it.

Etai Nahary: Let, let's leave the title out there, but if that's for the Christie, I'll take it. 

Kylie Patchett: I love it. I love it. Um, so this is inside of the beautiful Anna, Analena, who's been on the podcast intuitive Human Design Certification for teachers. And we have started chatting. Pretty much on the daily because we our brains are so similar in so many ways.

Kylie Patchett: Like you, I, I am a big why learner, which we've just been discussing over the weekend, is like really understanding the foundations of things, as are you. We both need to talk things out. So this has been this wonderful friendship that's just been weaving in the last couple of months. So I'm so excited to have you here.

Kylie Patchett: Um, we are, likewise. 

Etai Nahary: This is an honor. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Now I actually wanna talk a little bit about, like, we can't go into every single bit of your history, but your, 

Etai Nahary: that's too bad. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. I know. [00:04:00] Well, , we could do a five hour podcast. 

Etai Nahary: Well, this is we are gonna talk about storytelling. 

Kylie Patchett: Well, this is the thing.

Kylie Patchett: This is like always when I have a guest on, we talk about the golden threads that led them to where they are. So I know we're gonna get to human design, but what fascinated me about the way that you've kind of. Arrived at this point in time is that, well, number one, you, you speak many different languages, which always makes my brain want to explode.

Kylie Patchett: 'cause I am hardly able to speak one. 

Etai Nahary: You, you, you speak Australian English beautifully. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Well, um, if that means, I swear like a trucker Yes. 

Etai Nahary: For somebody as acoustic as me that's saying something. So please continue. 

Kylie Patchett: Ah, well, thank you. Yes, we do have some horrible slang here. But anyway. And you also have studied, um, psychology in many of its forms.

Kylie Patchett: So do you wanna just can we weave a bit of a golden thread of like, how did you end up in the world of human design through the gate, ways of language and spirituality and psychology. So many things. 

Etai Nahary: [00:05:00] Right. So the problem is where to begin, , because, no, I'm serious because the, . It, I never know where I let's start this way.

Etai Nahary: I was born in Israel 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: In 1977. . And six months after I was born, my parents started to notice that I wasn't hitting usual developmental milestones. . I wasn't able to hold my head up. I wasn't able to roll over to say nothing of sitting up, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And I, I'm the first born of a, of a Jewish family.

Etai Nahary: So the first born of a Jewish family, particularly, all the expectations are there, right. Everything is there. . And all of a sudden the child is not. Isn't doing what, what this genius child needs to do. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And so they started to take me to all kinds of doctors and, [00:06:00] and, , and doctors do in, in, in the western medical profession.

Etai Nahary: They do what they do and they, they, they stretch and they twist and it shove and all that. Um, at six months and it took them until 18 months to finally diagnose me with spastic quadriplegic cp. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Etai Nahary: And at the ti and so we went to, we were immigrated to the United States, which was where I'm located presently.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Two months before my third birthday with the belief, and I think I've told you this . Story or this part of the story in other spaces. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: With the belief essentially that we. Would go there to the states and the doctors would do whatever magic it is that the doctors do, and I would then be cured and we would, we would then go to go, go back to Israel and I would literally sprout wings and be able to fly.

Etai Nahary: And I say this [00:07:00] because my grandparents at the time built a house that was intended for us to come back and live in. And I swear to God, there were more stairs in that house than there were anything else. Now I've been a wheelchair user for my entire life. Stares. And I don't get along. No, never have, never will, but go tell that to my family of origin.

Etai Nahary: So I, so this, this is how we ended up in the States. . And so my first language. Hebrew. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Because that's the language that I heard first. That's the language that we start we spoke at home. That's the language that I still speak to my parents in. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Because it's just, it's unnatural to do anything other than that.

Etai Nahary: . Right. But seeing as we came to the states [00:08:00] when I was so young, English became a necessity. American English. . And I say American English because there are so many different 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Types 

Etai Nahary: of English in the world. . 

Kylie Patchett: Right. 

Etai Nahary: American English became a necessity. Children pick up languages very quickly.

Etai Nahary: My mother was with me for about maybe a month. . Before I completely, in in, in nursery school or wherever it was. Yeah. Before I completely mastered it. Wow. Better, better than they did, that's wild. So, so e English and Hebrew are technically Hebrews my mother tongue. Yes. But I would also say that English is as well.

Etai Nahary: And in my circles because of, , my, my paternal grandparents on my father's side, my grandfather is, is German. And there's a whole family history that goes along with that, which is how I ended up studying German Jewish history. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: For my first for my bachelor's degree.

Etai Nahary: On my mother's [00:09:00] side, the po polish and Lithuanian and all this. And there was, there was Yiddish in the home and so forth and so on. Yeah. So I grew up and for me. Multilingualism, it became natural. Yes. I, I, I picked up Yiddish because I was sick and tired of not understanding what my grandparents were saying.

Etai Nahary: So I, I began to just understand and, and French was offered in school, so I took French and then German, , because of my family history, German came into the picture, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et 

Kylie Patchett: cetera. So amazing. 

Etai Nahary: I appreciate the fact that a lot of people find it miraculous that I can speak so many For me, it's just 

Kylie Patchett: normal.

Etai Nahary: It's, it's normal. It's the way I see the world. It's interesting because when I was younger, and I think I've told you this as well. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: When I was, when I was more. When I tried to fit in more . Than I do now. . Thank God I've stopped trying to do that quite as much. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Kylie Patchett: High 

Etai Nahary: five. [00:10:00] When I, when I try to fit in more than I do now because I'm sitting in a wheelchair and people have

Etai Nahary: any number of assumptions . That go along with, with sitting in a wheelchair. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Etai Nahary: Most of which involve when you see somebody sitting in a wheelchair, you expect them to drool at you 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And not be able to, to speak in complete sentences. . So I would, oftentimes I would meet people, especially when I was, , after in, in school and, and more in my adult years.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I would meet people and I would say, hello, my name is T and, and I and I have, three advanced degrees, and I speak this thus in such however many languages I speak in, in that moment. And it would be fascinating to me, specifically the non-visual person. Yes. But it would be fascinating to me, the their eyes would bug out and their jaw would drop to the floor and they ah, ?

Etai Nahary: Yeah. [00:11:00] And, and then, and then there would be this process of, and, and so as I introduced myself that way, I would I did it as a defense mechanism basically, to say, yes, I know you are looking in a wheelchair. I know, I, I know what you are assumption, but I belong here, God dammit. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. , 

Etai Nahary: And I belong 

Kylie Patchett: here and your story of me is not my story.

Etai Nahary: Right. And, but as I say, I did that a lot. Before, and I've been doing inner work for as long as I can remember. I mean, physically I can't do much. For myself, I need assistance with activities of daily living. So my world has, for as long as I can remember, been internal.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I play with ideas, I play with, with stories. I play with, I mean movies and books and, and all kinds of different things philosophical systems. I, I [00:12:00] originally wanted to be a rabbi at the age of 18. Yeah. And because I was raised Jewish . Um, coming from Israel, the idea was, .

Etai Nahary: When you go to the states and, and Jewish education was important to my parents. What they understood is Israeli Jews is you go and you, you put the children in a Jewish educational system. . Which they understood to, to mean, uh, Orthodox Jewish. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: So from there, I got my, a very, very strong foundation and pool in traditional Judaism.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: I wanted very badly to be a rabbi. Very, very long and convoluted story, which maybe we can get into on another, on 

Kylie Patchett: one 

Etai Nahary: of our many 

Kylie Patchett: episodes to come 

Etai Nahary: in the future. But, but, but es essentially, I was told essentially because they were, because of ableism and because they were they, [00:13:00] they were highly discriminatory.

Etai Nahary: They said, no. Now this is after I had already done a degree in German Jewish history. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Which I had. Which I had I, which I, it was basically an individualized major, which I took and I I see and this is why it's so difficult to figure out where to do this and how to begin When I was 12 in 1989 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Etai Nahary: My paternal grandfather wrote a book 

Kylie Patchett: Oh. 

Etai Nahary: About. And this, you don't know. 

Kylie Patchett: No, I don't. 

Etai Nahary: I I love the surprise on your face. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Uh, about our, another 

Kylie Patchett: facet of the diamond 

Etai Nahary: Yes. About, about our family history. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And from 1649 until 1989, and I, I was. And I would go back and forth to Israel during that time on my own.

Etai Nahary: . . And during the summers, we would sit [00:14:00] there and he would read to me from these, from this book. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And I became absolutely fascinated. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: With our family history and who goes where and who belongs what. And he said to me at the age of 12, he said, and I'll never forget this, he said, when I'm gone, this was in 1989, he said this, and he died in 1992 of lymphoma.

Etai Nahary: He says, when I'm gone, he says, all of this material, all of it is yours. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: I said, Uhhuh, 

Kylie Patchett: no pressure. 

Etai Nahary: And, and he, and he said. You take this and you translate this from German into Hebrew. 

Kylie Patchett: Whoa. 

Etai Nahary: And you continue this book 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Etai Nahary: At the age of 12. So that explains to you all of a sudden why I became, why I had [00:15:00] this mission given to me by my paternal grandfather 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Etai Nahary: To, to, and that's how I added German to the whole process. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Etai Nahary: Because I already had Hebrew, English, Yiddish, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: yeah. 

Etai Nahary: French, et cetera. Et cetera, et cetera. I love it. Don't 

Kylie Patchett: have enough hands for you to count those languages on. I'm sorry. 

Etai Nahary: I don't have enough digits. Okay. But that's how German, so that's how my first degree came about.

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Etai Nahary: Because at the age of 18, the rabbi had told me no the first time. So I went and I said, what? I'm going to force the university or a university . To make it possible for me to publish this book. Hemming and hawing and hawing and hemming and hemming and hawing about couple.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. I can 

Kylie Patchett: imagine. 

Etai Nahary: And turns out that, and I tried and I stayed there for eight years and I did a not only, and I had to make up that first major because it didn't exist. I made it up. [00:16:00] 

Kylie Patchett: It does not surprise me. Knowing you. 

Etai Nahary: And my second, my, the first masters is in comparative literature, in post Holocaust literature.

Kylie Patchett: Wow. Because, 

Etai Nahary: because I wanted to understand how it was that my grandfather who left. With his family at the age of eight. . Left was, was chased out of, out of Germany at the age of eight. He, uh, into Israel. In 1960, he came back. He came back with his wife and my father.

Etai Nahary: And my uncle and I, I'm sitting there thinking how in God's name after a holocaust Yeah. The German Duke come, there's something about J And so I did this comparative literature. Your degree, in order to try to understand this because I figured the literature [00:17:00] must have something. Yes. If I, if I read, if I read, and there's plenty of post holocaust literature in both English and in Hebrew and in German, there's gotta be some sort of.

Etai Nahary: I never found the answer. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Etai Nahary: At the end of that first masters,

Etai Nahary: the idea of being a rabbi, being a rabbi, being a rabbi, came back up. . People in my friends circle were saying, listen, shit, I get off the pot. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. I love that 

Etai Nahary: saying either, , either corn Rabbi don't talk about it anymore, or 

Kylie Patchett: just stop it. Yep. 

Etai Nahary: Stop talking. So I I, and at the time I was in Connecticut on the east coast of the United States 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Etai Nahary: And there was a seminary on the west coast. That, and this is where I experienced all the ableism, et cetera, et cetera, which is another story that accepted [00:18:00] me. For a preparatory year. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Etai Nahary: And that preparatory year didn't work out at all. Well, because of all the ableism, et cetera.

Etai Nahary: Like I said, a whole other book, a whole other several books that I could write about this. 

Kylie Patchett: Mm mm 

Etai Nahary: So, and my my fiance at the time, who is not my wife, 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: We found our way and, and that was in Los Angeles, and then we found our way to, nor to the San Francisco Bay Area. Where I, we lived with a friend of mine from my undergrad.

Etai Nahary: Days for a few years. I, I, I dabbled in, in film script writing also. Oh. A few years. That's 

Kylie Patchett: another aspect I did not know about. You, 

Etai Nahary: you, you, you, you, you didn't know. Right. And we found, or I found, or Lisa says that she found, and, and I then I said, okay. [00:19:00] Found me, found me a program right. Which is not proper English, but found me a program that was and, and keep in mind, I've always been philosophically inclined.

Etai Nahary: Yes. And, and, i, , Buddhism and, and, and Kabbalah and, and all these things. And, and the itching. I familiar with these things on my own for years. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Etai Nahary: And eventually, I promise you, we'll, we'll get to human design. No, 

Kylie Patchett: no, no. This is, this is a perfect example of golden threads leading you to where you're meant to 

Etai Nahary: be.

Etai Nahary: We, we'll, we'll get there, but all every aspect, every aspect of the human design chart. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And this is part of why I was like, oh my God, it's all here. Why? It's all here. You, the, the chakra system, right? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: The, the, the Kabbalah. . The astrology the, what am I missing?

Etai Nahary: Quantum physics 

Kylie Patchett: ing. Yep. 

Etai Nahary: Etching, yeah. Everything. I had been, [00:20:00] fascinated with energy , all the things that I had been fascinated with came together. So I, I. Went and I found a program, or a program found me for transpersonal counseling psychology. 

Kylie Patchett: So cool. 

Etai Nahary: And I said, what, I'm not going to fly.

Etai Nahary: I'm not gonna start wings and fly. I've learned, I've learned that it's not gonna work. Sorry to my grandparents and sorry to my parents. And they go, just what? I have to deal with it. The best thing for me to do, the best thing for me to do is to sit here. And if people are coming to me anyway and they're sharing anyway and they've been sharing with me things for years Oh, a lot.

Etai Nahary: I'm go, this is happening naturally. I might as well learn it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And make money with this. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And I did it. And it's a wonderful program. The program no longer exists. But I got the degree [00:21:00] and. The idea was to become a licensed marriage and family therapist. . And again, disability, the reason that that didn't work primarily is because of accessibility issues and ableism and so on.

Etai Nahary: So I have a degree in counseling psychology. I never became licensed. We ended up in the middle of nowhere, South Dakota, which is where we are now again, long story. In 2023 is when human design found me and like everybody else, I was first introduced to it and I guess we can. I guess we can forgive people for this, but I was first introduced to the tropical system.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Well, we've gotta 

Kylie Patchett: get there somehow. . 

Etai Nahary: So I, so I got, I got to human design the same way that everybody gets to human design. Now, less people, thank God there's, and Elena, there's [00:22:00] me, there's you. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: There's, there are certifications. There's eighth and that's, , so it's, it's, it's shifting.

Etai Nahary: Thank god. Yes. Right. But at the time, I got to human design the way that most people did through the tropical system. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And in the tropical system, I find out that I'm a six three manifesting generator and what this means, and I'm looking at the chart and oh my god, every, all the systems come together problem.

Etai Nahary: I see myself in parts of it. And I'm supposed to, , the generator types. I suppose to, uh, yeah, I start, start making all kinds of, having the 

Kylie Patchett: bodily sacral response. Yes. 

Etai Nahary: All kinds of, , forgive me a black noises or something, and I don't have a black noises. I have words, I have thoughts, I have dreams.

Etai Nahary: I have I play with ideas. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And all of a sudden I have responses and as, and [00:23:00] I'm sitting here as a disabled individual who doesn't know really what it's like to be in contact with the ground. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: We've talked about this too, ? Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: This is 

Etai Nahary: fascinating. 

Kylie Patchett: I 

Etai Nahary: don't, I don't know what it's like to be embodied.

Kylie Patchett: No. 

Etai Nahary: Because I'm, most of my life, I'm sitting in a chair that is, I don't know how many, , meters 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Up from the ground, motorized chairs, so I have no idea what the hell. Ground. 

Kylie Patchett: Ground 

Etai Nahary: come, come into your body. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Really come into my body. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: First of all, my body, since I was very, very young, my body was something that was unacceptable.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: My body was something that was wrong. Yeah. My body was something that didn't behave. My body was something that I needed to work against. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. That needed to be fixed or needed to be pushed, 

Etai Nahary: that needed to be fixed or fought with or twisted or 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: Turned oralized. How the fuck am I gonna come into my [00:24:00] body?

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Who wants to understand, who wants to be grounded in a body like this? 

Kylie Patchett: Well, and, and how do I do it when I have no reference point? 

Etai Nahary: And how the hell do, how the hell do I do it? 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And so, and I'm sitting there with this beautiful chart manifesting generator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Etai Nahary: And I'm supposed to, ah,

Kylie Patchett: I don't get. Although, did you relate, what parts of your chart did you relate to at first? In, in the tropical system? I mean, 

Etai Nahary: I, I don't even remember. 

Kylie Patchett: No. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I hone honestly I don't, I remember

Etai Nahary: you have the 2145 in your, in your chart as well. Yes. Right? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: That that's called the money line. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And I remem and, and I was told, and, and I looked at the genetic matrix thing. That, that I said money line. [00:25:00] So what do you mean I have a money line? I have, I have no money. Like 

Kylie Patchett: I have no response or no, um, experience of this 

Etai Nahary: i, I money.

Etai Nahary: What Money? Show me the money. Bullshit money. So. I, I, I remember having this sense of that's what the chart says Yes. And was explained, , shadow, , self and not self. And, and yes. And this later I found out that this is the, that this is traditional human design and it has its place, et cetera, et cetera.

Etai Nahary: Find good. Wonderful. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And I'm sitting okay. I have a lot of inner work to do until I align to myself. I think this 

Kylie Patchett: is what happens too though, because, and as we will, we'll get to, actually, first of all, I wanna tie some threads together. I am fascinated. I love the fact that [00:26:00] you took great delight in challenging the stories that people have of differently abled people.

Kylie Patchett: And we've talked at length about this. , 

Etai Nahary: I have to other, otherwise I sit here and cry and never come outta 

Kylie Patchett: my point. Well, that's exactly right. Yes. And I admire your. I don't know, like, it's almost like a quiet rebellion against the stories that people have of you. And I also acknowledge that that must get fucking exhausting.

Kylie Patchett: Like 

Etai Nahary: it does it, it does. And it, for me it's, and I don't know why this is the case, but I don't have a choice. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: I don't have a fucking choice. I wish I did. There was a time in my business . Where disability advocacy 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Was more front of, was was more top of mind was, was more what I was out there and, , and I made a lot of videos and a lot of social media about the injustices and, and [00:27:00] all of this is true.

Etai Nahary: And all of this is important. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And I can do it. And I got responses to it and oh my God. And yes, I, we are angry with you also. And you solidarity angry about it's exhausting. 

Kylie Patchett: It's exhausting. And also, why should you have to advocate? 

Etai Nahary: I'm, I'm a disability advocacy advocate by necessity. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Etai Nahary: Because I'm sitting in this chair. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I have to teach people by necess I'm tired of teaching people by necessity. Yes. I wanna, I want to share what I'm called to share. And it's not about whether or not I, , how many stairs , I can make in a go or whether I can fly or, or how I piss or how I shit or, .

Etai Nahary: Or, , in, in, in what angle I have to sit when I piss and shit, or what I can eat, or how I can eat it or what I can eat it. Or, 

Kylie Patchett: we've had many conversations about that too. 

Etai Nahary: Right? Yeah. But I [00:28:00] mean, that is exhausting. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Every time I go to a doctor it's exhausting because I have to teach them.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

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Etai Nahary: The first thing I ask, the first thing I ask doctors is when I, when I meet a doctor, 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: I ask them, how many patients have you had with cp? 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: They look at me as if I fell from the moon. Yep. 

Kylie Patchett: And you, you go, oh, good. Strap 

Etai Nahary: yourself in. I've got two hours of here we go.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. Yeah. And it, it's with every call I, , so it's exhausting. I, and it's not that I don't think it's important work. It's just not the work that I'm aligned to do. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: I'm not run, I, I would like to think I'm not running away from it. It's just, it's, I'm exhausted.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. And do 

Etai Nahary: what has of the advocacy nonsense, 

Kylie Patchett: sorry, I didn't mean to speak over you. 

Etai Nahary: No, 

Kylie Patchett: go ahead. Um, do what has been a great delight for me is I always like, I'm one of those people that if I go to like, I don't know, like I don't go to sport 'cause it's not my thing, but , if I watch [00:29:00] the Olympics and I see someone like achieve something they've been working towards, or if I go to see a concert and there's this amazing violinist, I get so much joy from seeing people doing what they're called to do.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Makes them feel good. And I am delighted every time you get to talk about human design, because I'm like, this man is on this earth to explain people's stories and energy through the lens of human design. Because all of the different threads that you've just shared with us. Like you said, you already knew all of these systems first, and then you find one thing that brings them all together.

Etai Nahary: And then I find that, I find this one chart that, that puts all of it together. I'm like, this exists. Really? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Amazing. Tell me more. Tell me more. Must be like 

Kylie Patchett: angel singing. 

Etai Nahary: Yeah. Tell me more. And, and people were and people had to, , projectors generally speaking, we, we don't, we are not interested in ourselves.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Generally [00:30:00] speaking the, the general idea with, with, with projectors is we don't see ourselves, other people see us. Yes. People would, people were telling me. This is what you're going to, this is what you're gonna do. This 

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Kylie Patchett: your genius. 

Etai Nahary: This, I said, what? Yeah. I'm interested in, but this is what you, okay.

Etai Nahary: This is what I'm gonna do. And, and then, what do I know? Yeah. Well, that's a 

Kylie Patchett: normal projected thing. Right, 

Etai Nahary: right. And that is also normal. Right? So then somehow or other I, I, I float into Anna Elena's world. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And Anna Elena has is this gorgeous soul on all fronts. Very grounded, very calming, very peaceful.

Etai Nahary: And she saw something. She saw my, my insatiable hunger for, for this material. She saw my asking questions, my wanting to know my eagerness. Yes. I was one of the first ones that asked her, oh, there were other people also, [00:31:00] but I was among one of, I said, when are you sort of, when are you offering certification?

Etai Nahary: I'm taking it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was lucky enough to be the, in the first cohort. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Uh, you are now in the second cohort 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Of an Elena's human design guide and teacher certification. And that and I got my certification on. We are now speaking on the. What's the date on the, oh, 12th 

Kylie Patchett: for you?

Kylie Patchett: 12th 

Etai Nahary: for you? 13th for 

Kylie Patchett: me. 

Etai Nahary: On the 12th, 13th of January, depending on, on what hemisphere you are in, which is another discussion. Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: That's a whole other cu kettle of 

Etai Nahary: fish that we've been having and can have later publicly. But so I got my certification on the 16th of December of 2025.

Etai Nahary: . And since then I've been, I've been in the process of changing over everything. [00:32:00] Yes. Uh, and it's a process and I have to learn to be patient and wait for divine timing. And, uh, it's, it's an exercise for me. It's an exercise for me, but be begin, I needed somehow that external validation to allow me to start the process of changing, .

Etai Nahary: Of changing things over from it's corner, which is what the, which is what the I don't know what even to call this. The business was 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: Before. And now things are shifting into intuitive human design.com. 

Kylie Patchett: I am so excited for this, 

Etai Nahary: and I can be found as of today. And again, it's still, it's still shifting, but as of today, you can find me on Instagram at Intuitive HD Guide.

Etai Nahary: Uh, I think you can find me under that name on LinkedIn as well. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And on YouTube, I, like I said, I had a whole bunch of videos there. I took them all down because they were, they were. [00:33:00] They were unfocused and they were me doing my three line of, of, of seeing what works and what doesn't work.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Which is, that's how you design This is a good thing. 

Etai Nahary: Right. This is, and we'll 

Kylie Patchett: put those links down below as well. So everyone 

Etai Nahary: can just click what, yeah. What, what is at, what is, as of today's still missing. And I would like to fucking solve this. Thank you very much. Is the website Yes. Which will come Hello?

Etai Nahary: Or High Water? Yes, it will. The intuitive human design.com. 

Kylie Patchett: So good. 

Etai Nahary: And there I will offer well, I, I, I offer readings of all kinds. Yes. I offer, um, foundation readings. Actually, I don't like readings because, . For me, they're actually explorations. Yes. So I, I offer natal chart explorations. , I offer connection chart explorations. . I offer cycle, uh, solar, solar return explorations. [00:34:00] Chiron returns, et cetera. So there's a whole slew of different chart explorations that we can do.

Etai Nahary: And there's a whole slew of different ways in which we can use the human design chart as a tool. Yes. Because that's what it is. Yes. It's primarily a storytelling tool. . And one of the things that I, well, one of the main reasons that I love human design is because I see it as a storytelling tool.

Etai Nahary: And the real empowerment of the real power. The real magic in a chart is that. Here's the trick traditional human design, sees the types as rigid 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: As, as givens as structures that, that cannot and will not ever be changed or moved or mutable or anything.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Which is what I call HD dogma. , 

Etai Nahary: We've had conversations about we'll continue to have conversations about this [00:35:00] to each their own whatever's aligned, , whatever's aligned for you. We, we are not, we are not talking about this here either of us, but for, for me and for us, I would wager to say we are more, we see things more fluidly.

Etai Nahary: More flexibly. Yeah. And. Elena sees and we also I'm speaking for you. I shouldn't I see. You can well, thank you. We then see human design more as archetypes. Archetypes that we're working with. Yeah. The manifesto archetype has certain things to teach us. The generator archetype has certain things to teach us.

Etai Nahary: The projector archetype has certain things to teach us. The reflector archetype has. And we all have, we all have the entire chart, and we all can feel depending on the day. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: We can all feel more, like, more like any of the types, I, I'm a projector according to the system. Yes.

Etai Nahary: According to the Tru Tru system. And I know you've talked about it, about it [00:36:00] here, , on your, on your, on the podcast. Yes. I'll link to. 

Kylie Patchett: So the two episodes that we've done that 

Etai Nahary: explains the differences, I know we're talking about, I, I won't, I won't necessarily go into that, but according to True Side.

Etai Nahary: . And, and this is what I most resonate with because I feel like it reflects the essence, my soul and, and what I'm really meant to do and how I'm really meant to be and show up in the world. Yes. A according to al, to Aams to the midpoint calculations. . I'm a three six splenic projector.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: With two complete channels. The, uh, 57 20, which happens to be my favorite channel because Yes. The 57 happens to be My Life Work, which is all about intuition. . And the 20 is all about speaking in the now. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: But it's only when invited, by the way. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And the one and the other, the only other complete channel that I have.

Etai Nahary: Is the one eight, which is the [00:37:00] channel of inspiration. It's a channel. It's creativity. It's, it's the each voice, each gate in the throat has its own voice. . And the, the Gate eight has this wonderful voice of, Hey, listen, I can contribute. Yes, I contribute. I contribute. And I contribute. The Gate eight says I contribute in my own unique way.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: So the one eight is a is all about uniqueness and unique contribution. And, but these are all invited. . These are all, both of them are projected channels. Now, why do I often feel like a manifester? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Because I have in my unconscious sun my radiance. I have the 53 and the 53.

Etai Nahary: God help me. The 53, the 53 is all no, and I say, God, help me. Because the 53 is all about starting things. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, it is. 

Etai Nahary: It's all about the pressure [00:38:00] to start something. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Problem is 

Kylie Patchett: it's unconscious. 

Etai Nahary: Well, there are several problems. Problem number one, it's fucking unconscious. Problem number two, what connects to the 53 is A 42.

Etai Nahary: The 53 starts things a 42 end things. I have the energy to start, but I can, I can't finish. Not I can't, but I'm always looking to finish. This is a perfect example of the story of the chart, right. And I love how you, you, because when I came across human design, it was tropical as well. And what I was really, we can forgive you.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Really resistant to was I had a friend who is really into human design and she's like, I am a this and that means that. And it was just so. Boxed in and my entire life and business has been about breaking open boxes, right. Of of proving that we don't [00:39:00] need boxes. 

Etai Nahary: Which is, which is one of the reasons we've come together and one, one of the reasons we have so much fun 

Kylie Patchett: Exactly.

Etai Nahary: Is because that's what both of us are about. Just in, in our own d in our own unique ways. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. And like to me it's so wild that like I used to be a geneticist, and then I come across, I come across a system that, that is the science of differentiation or individuation. Whereas society wants to make us all homogenous so that we fit into a box so that we can be a particular cog in the industrial machine.

Kylie Patchett: That's a whole other conversation. 

Etai Nahary: It's easier for society that way, but we, we don't, we don't fit that 

Kylie Patchett: well. We are easier to manipulate and control that way. 

Etai Nahary: Control that way. Yeah. . 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. But the way that you just explained, the 53 and the 42, this is a perfect example of, rather than. Because I'm not against readings either, but I think the problem when people get like a report or a reading that says if you just got something that says you are a three six projector and you've got, , a certain well [00:40:00] splenic authority, and you've got these channels, 

Etai Nahary: this channel in this channel, and here's open, and that's open and 

Kylie Patchett: yeah.

Etai Nahary: What does it mean? It doesn't mean anything, , 

Kylie Patchett: it doesn't mean anything. And, and what people tend to do is like, go and look up, look at chat GPT or look at or look at the, , many, many, many numerous articles that you can find. But the problem is, without understanding the story that the chart is telling you don't get the nuance that you just shared.

Etai Nahary: And, and, and the context. And the context. Yes. And the context. And it's, it's and that's the thing. Is it, and, and that's the one thing you'll hear me say is, and I think I've said it here once before. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Every chart, any given chart . Your chart, my chart. You can even do a chart for your puppies there.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. I've 

Etai Nahary: thought 

Kylie Patchett: to do that. 

Etai Nahary: You should. It's possible. It's possible with, with, with genetic metrics. Cute. But every chart has the, the potential to tell an infinite number of stories. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And one of the, and why is it that [00:41:00] stories are so, why doto Why have stories captured me so much?

Etai Nahary: Yes. 'cause first of all, that's all I could really do. I could sit since I was young, and watch movies, and read books and listen to things and, and listen to my grandfather tell me stories about the family. Yes. And listen. Yes. I, I quickly understood somehow on some level that we are we are a product.

Etai Nahary: We are the causes, the causes and conditions that make us, that make this moment. It's all about the stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves and about the world in which we live. And the only thing that I have control over, especially sitting here in this chair. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: The only thing that I have control over is the story I tell myself about this moment.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Okay. Yeah. And if you take that, and if you take the fact that in counseling psychology, I learned, and I promised you, we talk about this and here comes the [00:42:00] narrative therapy. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, yes, yes. See, 

Etai Nahary: I I I, I, I cover things. I just, it takes a while. So thank you for your patience. That's fine. Thank you for your, thank you for your patience.

Etai Nahary: And, and take narrative therapy that says, okay, this is the story you're telling yourself now. Or, or, here, here are the events and here are how you feel about them. And together, this makes a story. . Let's try and imagine. Let's, one of, one of the most wonderful tools of narrative therapy is the what if question.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: What if, I'm gonna take a wild example because I brought it here before. Yeah. What if Itai was brought at the age of three, essentially to the United States, and there was some kind of a miracle cure. . And there was, and some of the medicine he was given, , allowed him to sprout wings and then, and then we could, we, the child would fly back at the what if [00:43:00] and this what if game is, and so that, that's a little bit of a strange example is a little bit extreme, but for entertainment purposes.

Etai Nahary: Right? Yeah. But a what if game of, okay, people have self-esteem issues. Right. People, people have, have self-worth issues. . Can we imagine for a moment,

Etai Nahary: a a, a version of ourselves, a story in which we, where it doesn't necessarily flip a switch completely. 

Kylie Patchett: Mm. 

Etai Nahary: But where we just spend a little less time beating ourselves up? 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Just a little bit. And the chart really allows us to do that. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Such 

Etai Nahary: a big permission slip. The chart, the chart gives exactly.

Etai Nahary: The chart gives us a permission slip. Yeah. The look, a chart, and I have to say this too, a chart of any kind, an astrology chart. A a a, a, a human [00:44:00] design chart. Any agree 

Kylie Patchett: any 

Etai Nahary: agree. Yeah. All of, all of all of these things, all of these tools, they are not under any circumstances. Under any circumstances in any universe to be used as prescriptive tools?

Kylie Patchett: No, they're not 

Etai Nahary: rules 

Kylie Patchett: people. 

Etai Nahary: These are not prescriptions. These are tools. . And it's all about how do we use the tool? A hammer can be used, God forbid, to bash somebody's brains in. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And you've seen that I know. In your, in your, in your, in your work. Yes. 

Kylie Patchett: In my past life. Yes. 

Etai Nahary: In the past life.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. And it can also be used to build houses and build a hammer can be used to, to, to, to, to create a hammer. Can be, but it's, it's still a hammer. 

Kylie Patchett: That's such a good analogy, ITO. 

Etai Nahary: A hammer is a hammer. How do we use the hammer? Makes a difference. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. And just to follow that through, uh, what I see in human design when we are talking about dogma is the, is the hammer is used or the chart [00:45:00] is used to whack oneself with or make ourselves wrong.

Etai Nahary: In, in, in most cases, yes, in most cases, traditional. Yeah. And I mean it that had its place. Look, when Rah first brought human design to us Yes. And R admitted this, he said, look I'm here. To shock people. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. Wake people up. I 

Etai Nahary: mean, that's I'm here to wake people up. He had the 51 . Prominently placed in his tropical chart, which is another topic altogether.

Etai Nahary: Yes, yes. But he, under his story was, I'm a splenic manifester. . With the 51 prominently placed, I'm gonna wake you up 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And I'm gonna shock you. . And I have to use this, I have to use the shocking language so I can wake everybody the fuck up. Yep. Because, because we are running out of time and, and there will be this 20, 27 shift, blah, blah, blah.

Etai Nahary: Yes. So of course it had to, it had to come first through, through the shocking, uh, uh, me [00:46:00] medium through the, the shocking one. And since then, there has been Rah, and there has been Karen Kerry Parker. And there has been, any number of different filters. Yes. And each teacher. Each, each reading is a filter 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Etai Nahary: Of, of the material, right? . And there have been endless thank god filters of people looking at chart and, , Karen Kerry Parker had such a strong aversion to the language 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Of original human design. She said, what? 

Kylie Patchett: I can't do it. 

Etai Nahary: I'm going and I'm making my own language. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. A hundred percent.

Kylie Patchett: And, 

Etai Nahary: and, and outta and out of this came the quantum human design. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And Anna Elena learned from Karen. 

Kylie Patchett: Karen, yep. 

Etai Nahary: And then taught us. So we are in that lineage, right? Yes. And, and, and so, and that's, I don't know where I was going with this, but 

Kylie Patchett: it's 

Etai Nahary: the evolution of human, isn't [00:47:00] it? Everything evolves.

Etai Nahary: . If it if it doesn't evolve and it doesn't change and it doesn't move, it's not alive, well, it's dead. It's not alive and human designer is a living thing.