S6E22: Human Design as Exploration with Etai Nahary Part 2/2

In Part 2, Etai and I go deeper into the lived, embodied experience of Human Design - where charts stop being abstract diagrams and start becoming mirrors for real life.

This episode is a masterclass in how to work with a chart, not just understand one.

We explore:

• Human Design as a co-creative, conversational process
• Projected channels, invitation, and why most people are trying to live their design backwards
• The difference between conscious and unconscious chart energy (and why others often see what we can’t)
• Willpower, burnout, creative surges, and “stuck on the accelerator” patterns
• Chiron returns, healing cycles, and reframing breakdowns as initiations
• Why storytelling, language, and permission are essential to integration

🔗 Connect with Etai Nahary

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• LinkedIn: @intuitivehdguide

Etai offers Human Design explorations including natal charts, connection charts, life cycles, and intuitive deep-dives grounded in psychology, archetypes, and lived wisdom.

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Transcript

Etai Nahary: [00:00:00] The choice is in the story we tell ourselves, yes, this thing is an empowerment tool because. We get to choose the stories we tell ourselves at any given moment.

Kylie Patchett: Welcome to Wild and finally fucking Free the show for disruptors, rebels, and revolutionaries who know they're here to change the damn world. I'm Kylie Patchett, your voice and visibility catalyst, and here we dive into unapologetic truth, magnetic messaging and visibility. That actually feels good. In your body, your bones, and your business.

Kylie Patchett: We share the stories of the out of the box, neuro sparkly, creative, witchy, wild ones, rewriting how we live, love, learn, and lead. This isn't about being louder, it's about being rooted, resonant, and regulated, so you can be real raw and ready to raw. If you're done, contorting yourself to fit the mold and you're ready to own your [00:01:00] voice, your power, and your place in the revolution, welcome home.

Kylie Patchett: Let's dive in.

Kylie Patchett: Hello everybody. This is part two of a two part episode with my beautiful friend e Nari, who is a intuitive human design guide. In this episode, we dive into so many different facets of ETA's, love of language, it's narrative psychology, storytelling, using the human design chart to actually inform us of how we move through the world.

Kylie Patchett: So if you haven't listened to part one, go backwards and listen to the first part, and let's dive into part two.

Etai Nahary: And since then, there has been Rah, and there has been Karen Kerry Parker. And there has been, any number of different filters. Yes. And each teacher. Each, each reading is a filter 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Etai Nahary: Of, of the material, right? . And there have been endless thank [00:02:00] god filters of people looking at chart and, , Karen Kerry Parker had such a strong aversion to the language 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Of original human design. She said, what? 

Kylie Patchett: I can't do it. 

Etai Nahary: I'm going and I'm making my own language. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. A hundred percent.

Kylie Patchett: And, 

Etai Nahary: and, and outta and out of this came the quantum human design. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And Anna Elena learned from Karen. 

Kylie Patchett: Karen, yep. 

Etai Nahary: And then taught us. So we are in that lineage, right? Yes. And, and, and so, and that's, I don't know where I was going with this, but 

Kylie Patchett: it's 

Etai Nahary: the evolution of human, isn't it? Everything evolves.

Etai Nahary: . If it if it doesn't evolve and it doesn't change and it doesn't move, it's not alive, well, it's dead. It's not alive and human designer is a living thing. 

Kylie Patchett: Exactly. 

Etai Nahary: It's a living system. 

Kylie Patchett: And I think too when you see the chart with all the threads that you bring to it, so your love of storytelling, your [00:03:00] internal, like one of the things that fascinates me about the way that your brain works is that you're able to almost pick something up and see all these different perspectives and wonder about things.

Kylie Patchett: And this is why we love chatting together because you are wondering then is like a popcorn of my wondering and then I'm like, have you ever thought about this? Dah, dah, dah, dah. And it's deeply satisfying to meet someone else who wants to play in the depths. I think of the human experience. Um. Through the lens of, and I have to say too, like when you started talking, like I was sharing with you about that I was had been working with a narrative psychologist and I was talking like, you wouldn't know what narrative psychology is.

Kylie Patchett: 'cause most people don't. And then I'm like, of course you do. You've already done a bloody degree in this. Um, and one of the things that, 

Etai Nahary: and narrative therapy was what, when, toward the end of the, toward the end of the, the coursework, they're like, , you should really start thinking about how you want to work and what's your theoretical orientation.

Etai Nahary: . And immediately, somehow [00:04:00] narrative, narrative therapy. Yes. And I actually, I made, we had to write uh, a thesis in, in completion of the, in completion of the, of the degree. . And we had to bring in theoretical elements into this. And narrative therapy was. Was the theoretical element that I brought into it.

Etai Nahary: So I, yeah. Narrative therapy always resonated with me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, um, for me, the 'cause I, um, that I've shared about this on the podcast before, when I hit on my 47th birthday, I feel like a tsunami of trauma that I had not, uh, not allowed out from under the cover. And I, , I, the blessing of menopause is that you have less bandwidth to be able to cope the ways that you have unhealthily been coping with trauma.

Etai Nahary: Less filters, thank God. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so I was forced to go and get some help because I was like, I literally thought I was having a psychotic break at one stage and 

Etai Nahary: No. What you, what you were having was a Kai return. Exactly. Or the [00:05:00] beginning. Exactly. Return 

Kylie Patchett: in the gate of shock Eai. 

Etai Nahary: Of course you were, of course you were.

Etai Nahary: Of course you were 

Kylie Patchett: what 

Etai Nahary: was the blessing now? 

Kylie Patchett: Sorry. You 

Etai Nahary: go now this is interesting. Yeah. Because you often, you'll say, look, CHONe return happens 50. You, you look at, at, at Genetic matrix and you say, when is a Chiron return? And it'll tell you 

Kylie Patchett: a date. Yes. But 

Etai Nahary: a date. But the energy of the Chiron return, and I swear to God, I think I'm in mine now.

Kylie Patchett: Yes, you will be, you would be 

Etai Nahary: the, the energy of it, because Uhhuh 

Kylie Patchett: Uhhuh, 

Etai Nahary: because things are shifting, the energy of the camera return can go anywhere from. And it, it depends for everybody. Everybody feels the energy differently. Yeah. So when you say, I had what I thought was a psychotic break and everything was no, you're having a CHONe return 

Kylie Patchett: and 

Etai Nahary: it's normal.

Kylie Patchett: It's the pattern of [00:06:00] your life, right? We are meant to be evolving, and if you don't have these things come to the surface to be consciously aware of, you don't get to evolve. 

Etai Nahary: And and, hang on, hang on. Do, do you see what we do? Do you see what we did there? You said I had a psychotic break. And I said, no, you didn't.

Etai Nahary: You have a Cavan return. 

Kylie Patchett: You rewrote the story using the knowledge of the Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Different, different, more empowering story. It normalizes it. . It empowers you. Yes. We start to learn what does it mean? A cavan return? Yeah. Oh, it means I have now all this power and all this wisdom and all, and you as a six two.

Etai Nahary: You are flowering now. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Yes. This is you in your FI love this for you. Yeah. And a man and a six two manifester flowering, like this is, is one of the, is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. 

Kylie Patchett: If only you knew me, then ti, because you could have saved me lots of emotional pain. But this is where we are going with using a chart like this, right, is like, rather than telling yourself a disempowering story, like I'm having a psychotic break.

Kylie Patchett: Or I can 

Audio Only - All Participants: [00:07:00] can't. 

Etai Nahary: Which which is, which is certainly the story you can tell. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, absolutely. And I was very strongly, I was like, there is something seriously wrong with my head. But the reality is I was being given a chance to look at my, one of my core wounds around being not seen as a kid and actually working with a narrative psychologist.

Kylie Patchett: And also my friend, um, Sarah Brook, who I've spoken about before on this podcast. . Who's a energy healer who works through the womb as the access point. So we were doing generational repre patterning and Oh 

Etai Nahary: wow. 

Kylie Patchett: I know. Amazing. And I had this, 

Etai Nahary: so you were, you were probably, you were probably dealing with your sq in, in, in, in the jean keys, weren't you?

Kylie Patchett: Probably. Probably. I don't know enough 

Etai Nahary: about Jean. Except, except you were probably doing it at the time for Tropical. We'll forgive you. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, I know. I know. But one of the things that that combination gave me, and it's so funny 'cause we were reading, , how we were talking about the light code wrapping around the DNA strand?

Kylie Patchett: . . So I had a moment in a session [00:08:00] with Sarah, I'd been working with a narrative psychologist. A lot of it around having a parent with addiction issues and . Feeling safe as a kid and whatnot. Deep stuff that I'd never allowed to come to the surface. 'cause I was like, if I do, I'm gonna die.

Kylie Patchett: Like it will be right. I won't be able to cope. 

Etai Nahary: Every, everything is going to go Yeah. The world is going to explode. 

Kylie Patchett: Exactly. 

Etai Nahary: You do. 

Kylie Patchett: Literally. 

Etai Nahary: Oh. 

Kylie Patchett: Um, but the blessing was in a session that I had with Sarah. I was talking about, um, at the time I was doing done for you storytelling work for clients.

Kylie Patchett: So it was helping them. To pull out the golden threads like you've just shared and turn it into magnetic copy on their websites and to talk about their services and why they do what they do. Right. 

Etai Nahary: And you do this so well. Incredible. 

Kylie Patchett: Just something I do because I, I love people's stories. Like you, I love, I love our self stories.

Kylie Patchett: I love the stories of how we, we came here, our family of origin stories, our cultural stories, all of those things. 

Etai Nahary: Well, but you see, this is your zone of genius, 

Kylie Patchett: yes, it is definitely [00:09:00] storytelling. Well, capturing people's magic through words is definitely one thing. 

Etai Nahary: The projector recognizes you say.

Etai Nahary: Thank you, 

Kylie Patchett: thank you. You're 

Etai Nahary: welcome. You, you're welcome. 

Kylie Patchett: I had this moment in a healing session where I saw in my mind's eye, like all of my ancestor ancestors around me, and I saw. This, um, , the helix of DNA, which is like a ladder that's been twisted, right? And the ladder untwisted itself and the two strands parted, and then this golden thread laced through.

Kylie Patchett: And all of these little kind of dark spots just were rewoven. And then I saw it, go back together. And when I came out of that meditation Sarah actually said something that stayed with me for so long, and it's a perfect example. Example of narrative, like changing the narrative. She said, isn't it interesting that the thing that is your genius now comes directly from what you didn't receive as a kid? Because something that my clients always say to me is, I've never felt so seen [00:10:00] before, and my biggest void as a kid was not feeling seen. 

Etai Nahary: And 

Kylie Patchett: it's like, 

Etai Nahary: and, and that makes t that makes all the sense in the world.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Both psychologically. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. I 

Etai Nahary: mean that, that's the Chiron wound, right? . And if you look at a gene keys. Chart. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: You'll see people will see that the core, that, that what is the core wound . Becomes the vocation. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yep. Yep. It's the, it's the two sides of the same coin. Right?

Etai Nahary: . Absolutely. Amazing. I, coming back to your example with the 53 42, I really want people to understand that when they come to you for readings, that you'll help them to understand. 'cause I think it is the huge 

Etai Nahary: explorations. 

Kylie Patchett: Exploration. We exploration. Exactly. And it is 

Etai Nahary: language.

Etai Nahary: Language is important. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. This is another thing that we bond over the love of language, only one for me, just trucker Australian English for me. [00:11:00] 

Etai Nahary: No. But no, um, the, the language is important because language, if it, and again, here is my, my. I, I, I was raised Jewish and like I said, I wanted to be a rabbi, one of my first reference points.

Etai Nahary: And thank God I don't, I don't use it this way, but one of my first reference points will always be the Bible. Yes. And Jews tend to put a focus on what most of the world calls the Old Testament. . Although I have read both. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: From cover to cover several times, but you look at Genesis.

Etai Nahary: God created the world through words. Yes. God speaks the world. He was a manifester. Yeah. Well, God manifest. Right? God manifests, God speaks the world into existence, which shows us that, which shows us the power of words. And God also, by the way, destroyed the world. Through words, God brings floods, God brings, et cetera, et [00:12:00] cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Etai Nahary: So words words are tremendously powerful. Yes. Words are tremendously powerful. Tremendously important. Words are frequency which works beautifully given the fact that, the 57 is the most acoustic gene key and bait gene key in the whole chart. Yeah. Words are very, very important. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Etai Nahary: They're spell casting. Right. Literally spell casting. Right, right. So the words that we use are, are very, very important. Yeah. So when I, when I call it an, an exploration, I mean to say, because you can read a chart and I can read a chart and then, , you can read the words in the chart and the numbers on the chart.

Etai Nahary: You can see the chart just as well as I can see. But what happens when the two of us sit here and explore the chart, the chart together, that I don't know until it happens. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Co-creation, 

Etai Nahary: then we get to play. We get to figure out what, what do we see? What do we see today? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yep. 

Etai Nahary: That, that's why I call it an exploration, not a reading.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. And what speaks to you, because I've [00:13:00] seen you do this live where someone's asked a question and you'll look at a chart and you'll just be drawn 

Etai Nahary: when 

Kylie Patchett: inside of you. I asked a question about something. This is a perfect example, actually. I asked a question. 

Etai Nahary: I see. I don't see, the projector doesn't see themselves.

Kylie Patchett: I know, I know. The biggest thing for a projector is to see themselves before they Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And you. And you say, I've seen, and I say, well, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: because you do this all the time inside of the human design certification, someone will ask a question and you'll refer to something if 

Etai Nahary: you say something, I believe you.

Etai Nahary: I just, okay, 

Kylie Patchett: good. Well, let's give a solid example in MyChart. I have often said to you over the last few. Um, well the few months that we've been chatting, and actually very early in the human design training I, , there was a lot of family stuff going on, so it was like under emotional kind of stress anyway.

Kylie Patchett: And I'd shared in the certification that there's this thing that happens in my system where when I'm already under emotional stress, it's like my foot gets stuck on the accelerator and I can't stop. [00:14:00] And you help me to understand that through the defined will center and multiple other ways, but just the way that you you could look at so many different parts of the chart and explain, parts of what might be actually contributing to that energetic, stuck on the accelerator.

Kylie Patchett: Revving, revving, revving. But where you intuitively went was the will center and then you helped me. And so we've had this really cool conversation since about, you've helped me to understand in my body that. When I'm in my, what I call my scrappy defined will center energy, which almost has a bit of a feeling of the fighter or the like I've gotta, like, I've gotta push, like I've gotta push against something to get things happening.

Kylie Patchett: And so we've been, well, 

Etai Nahary: the will, the will center can burn out real quick. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. I know. I've done it many times. Like I've got the t-shirt 58 times to do it. Yes. And I have such a, it's, I get so frustrated with myself with my own patterns. I always have much more compassion [00:15:00] for other people than I do myself.

Kylie Patchett: But, 

Etai Nahary: and me too. It's, I think it's a, I think it's a feature of being human. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, I think so too. Um, but just understanding the difference in energy between like when a will center can be driving for the just to be driving because it's got that, drive to drive versus, and that's where I kind of feel now I know the difference in my body, like the scrappy.

Kylie Patchett: Will center drive versus the waiting for the go signal, which is like the divine timing thing. 

Etai Nahary: And you by the way, have that from the root. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: So once, once the root pulse is on, 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: That goes up into the will center. . Which by the way, , which by the way the, the will center is, is it's, you remember also that, think about it.

Etai Nahary: How many, okay, we question how many 

Kylie Patchett: go for it, 

Etai Nahary: how many motors in the, in the, [00:16:00] in, in the chart. And those four are 

Kylie Patchett: now you're gonna trick me here. So will center spleen. 

Etai Nahary: Spleen is an awareness center. Ah, 

Kylie Patchett: will center root sacral. And solar plexus. 

Etai Nahary: Yep. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. I always get the solar plexus and the spleen.

Kylie Patchett: It's which one? Left 

Etai Nahary: or right? Well, well, they, they're, they're on, they're on either side of the, of the Oh, 

Kylie Patchett: of course it's an yes. 

Etai Nahary: So what, what happens there is that when you get the pulse from the root, because the root works, the, the motor centers, generally speaking 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Etai Nahary: Work in pulses. I say generally speaking, well, even the sacral does, but the sacral is the only, the only center that really can go and go. And go and go. Yes. As long as there's a response physical response to something, not an awareness in there. It doesn't know what it wants to respond to until it Oh [00:17:00] yeah, you wanna drink that.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. You wanna drink? No. All those, , all those monkey noises that it makes, 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: But most. And , and there are, there are moments where the, the sacral will will go out. And that, that's when, , the generator types know that they're exhausted. . And that's when they rest and they're ha they, and they're satisfied.

Etai Nahary: . . But in, but generally speaking motors and I say generally speaking because the ESP is a motor and an awareness center. Yes. I mean, that works in, in waves, but generally speaking, the other motors work in pulses. The route works in a pulse. And you ha you happen to have it.

Etai Nahary: Let's look at your chart. And this is a foundation chart. It's your natal, right? 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Etai Nahary: Now, the interesting thing is, is that you don't actually have a a connection energetically, usually from the root to the will 

Kylie Patchett: will.

Etai Nahary: . But you do have it, you have it the other way. [00:18:00] In other words, you have it, but it's, it's an Alright. So when your root gets a pulse . To move, to do something, what happens energetically for you is that I, I would, I would think, or I would intuit. I don't know exactly how this works, but it, you go and you have, you go all the up and there's a, from the, from the, what is that?

Etai Nahary: The 50? Yeah, that's the 58 to the 18 to the, so there's the pulse. 

Kylie Patchett: Sorry. EI just gimme a sec. I'm trying to get the chart so that it'll be, 

Etai Nahary: I'm not sure, I'm not sure that this theory of mine works, but 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, yeah. There you go. Okay. 

Etai Nahary: No, but essentially speaking, and you'll always have, there'll [00:19:00] always be connections to it because, I mean, this is the natal chart.

Etai Nahary: It's not and the chart will change daily because of transit, so things will be connected, right? . So it, it's very, very possible that what happens with you is that your root pulse is on. And then works in such a way through the connections that exist through transit. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Through your, through to your will center, which is exactly that.

Etai Nahary: Which is the will to do things. And then you go and you do. 

Kylie Patchett: Right. So I'm just gonna point some things 'cause I can point with my, so if, if you, you're new to human design. This is a body graph. There is lots of introductory episodes about human design, which I will link to underneath this one. Okay.

Etai Nahary: Okay, good. Let's, yeah, thank 

Kylie Patchett: you that please don't feel overwhelmed. Um, but what we're talking about is this center here, which is the red one. Um, 

Etai Nahary: I can see where you're pointing to, but I'll, yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Do you wanna point 

Etai Nahary: I No, you'll point because I have a [00:20:00] visual tracking issue. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'm just saying the colored in centers are what's called defined centers, and then the not colored ones are either undefined or open.

Kylie Patchett: But at the moment we're just talking about this little center here. And when we are talking about the motor centers, what we're talking about is sacral the root down the bottom, uh, the solar plexus or emotional solar plexus on the right and then the wheel and Right. Yeah. As we are talking about my, kind of getting stuck on the accelerator, we were wondering about the kind of energetics of this and just kind of feeling through it with the chart and making, but using the cart as a self inquiry tool, 

Etai Nahary: no, you, you, you can very easily get stuck on the accelerator and you do now. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. All the time and, 

Etai Nahary: and. Why do you think why do you think that is given, given what , why do you think that is? 

Kylie Patchett: I think there's a couple of things. I think there's a lot of conditioning still for [00:21:00] me to clear out about work equaling worth.

Kylie Patchett: Okay. And I can get very hyperfocused thanks to my neuros sparkly brain, but also when I'm in a creative surge. So, to me, this is more of a kind of manifest archetype thing. . Like yesterday, I couldn't get into the flow of work. I felt quite flat emotionally, and I was like, what's going on? I've had enough sleep, I've eaten well, like, there's no kind of like physical requirements, , issues with anything.

Kylie Patchett: But I felt really flat. And then about two o'clock in the afternoon I got this creative surge and I ended up designing. Three entire web pages, of course you did. Of course you did. Because, and I'm really learning that I cannot push through, and this is a great gift to me from shifting from the tropical understanding to Trues 'cause in Tropical, I was a generator and so I feel like I was trying to squish myself into more of a generator archetype, which is, , that more sort of steadiness [00:22:00] of, , life force energy, as long as you're doing something that is something that lights you up.

Kylie Patchett: Whereas with a manifesto, I'm really leaning into now wait until the surge comes and know that when the surge is on, I can get more done in like three hours than most people can get done in a week. I just have to wait for it. 

Etai Nahary: And manifesters have to wait for inspiration. Yes. Yeah. But in. And all of this is wonderful and all of this, all of this backs up exactly what's written.

Etai Nahary: What, what we see in the chart. Because if we look at, if we look at your chart, your natal chart specifically. Yeah. The defined will is here to prove itself. Yes. It says I can do this. . Not only I can do this, but I will do this. Yes, I can. And I will. I can And I will. And I can and I will. So it, it's already predisposed on the one hand.

Etai Nahary: Do I will, I will, I will. I will. I will. I can, I can, I can. I can. I can watch me. You tell me. No, you watch me. [00:23:00] 

Kylie Patchett: Oh my God. That is a huge, you tell that to my parents and they'd be like, she came out like that 

Etai Nahary: that my dear, is your defined will now that is predisposition number one.

Etai Nahary: Predisposition number two. Is that this 2145 that you have? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Ah,

Etai Nahary: and we've talked about the 2145. We talked about the 2145 before I happen to have it in my tropical . Uh, mixed. But you have it unconscious. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: What does that mean? It 

Kylie Patchett: means not knowing when you've spent enough time, money, resources, energy on something. 

Etai Nahary: It could mean now, a again I want, I wanna make sure that we, that this is not a prescription No.

Etai Nahary: One of the things that it could mean. . One, one of the tendencies that an unconscious channel anywhere . A channel colored in red can have anywhere is that [00:24:00] it's unconscious. Right? . So it's something that we are not consciously aware of. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: But, and. It is possible and in fact, probable .

Etai Nahary: That it is something that other people see in us. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: We, when it, when we say conscious or unconscious, we are talking about conscious or unconscious. From our perspective, 

Kylie Patchett: yes. 

Etai Nahary: From our subjective reality. . What other people and this is why we need other people, we need other people to, to complete channels for us, et cetera.

Etai Nahary: But one of the reasons that we need other people, and for me as, as a single definition, this can be difficult because single definition, people like to sort of do things on their own. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. I just wanna, 

Etai Nahary: they're 

Kylie Patchett: very individual, 

Etai Nahary: which, which works and doesn't work, but Yes. But, but in this case, you don't [00:25:00] necessarily need, but it would be helpful for you to have somebody out there who's telling you your will is in overdrive again.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. Because I see it and you don't because you are, because from your perspective it's unconscious. But I see it in you and I can gently tell you, Kylie. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: This thing is unconscious. Relax. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah. I'm so grateful for, um, being in connection with you as a friend and being able to reflect these things back to each other.

Kylie Patchett: I find that is so helpful. And we were talking about before we started recording, like the majority of channels in the chart are projected channels as well. 

Etai Nahary: How many? 

Kylie Patchett: 22. 22. Thank you. 

Etai Nahary: Yay. 

Kylie Patchett: Two of the 36 are projected channels. 

Etai Nahary: You, 

Kylie Patchett: and that to me means, again, this is one of my other things that I don't love about traditional human design, is [00:26:00] that when you put people in buckets of you are a manifest or you are this or you are that.

Kylie Patchett: We are trying to sort, how many billion people are in the world right now? Like nine. Uh, 

Etai Nahary: last time I checked it was eight or nine. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. So 9 billion people into five buckets like that. To me, even luck, even when you say that it, it makes no sense. There's so much individual difference in, and even in like, just say, so you are a three, six projector.

Kylie Patchett: If we looked at 10 different, three, six projector charts, they're gonna be very, very different. 

Etai Nahary: And not only that it, people look at, I look at my own chart . And I've had a certain day or something has happened and oh my God, I have this gate. And that this is the trends and I didn't see the story but in my own chart that I supposedly know the be, , better than anything else.

Etai Nahary: I don't see a story until I need the story there. . . Oh, that's why it's my, this gate is doing that in this way. Yeah. [00:27:00] Oh. 

Kylie Patchett: And like you said before it's not an absolute either. It's like, well, this is what absolutely could happen. The other thing that jumps to my mind, these, these 

Etai Nahary: things are tendencies.

Kylie Patchett: Yes, exactly. The other thing that jumps to my mind with the 2145 too, is that the 20 one's my unconscious earth. So that has, , another layer of meaning. 

Etai Nahary: It, it's your unconscious earth, which means that it's actually here to ground you. Yes. It really is here to ground you. It's actually your purpose.

Etai Nahary: It's actually your purpose. Jenky. Yeah. So you are here to teach us about, do you remember the, um, the, the, the different frequencies of the 21? 

Kylie Patchett: No, I don't, and I've only just read them over the weekend. I can't even remember the, I don't even have my chart in here. Let me just hang on two sec.

Etai Nahary: Hang on. 

Kylie Patchett: I'll 

Etai Nahary: tell. So you've got, so you've got in, in, in the challenge. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: In the, in the shadow you have forced, right? 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Etai Nahary: In the [00:28:00] gift you have, I believe it's, uh, strength, the 21. And in the city, um, 

Kylie Patchett: I feel like it's, uh, control is the shadow, which is 

Etai Nahary: very 

Kylie Patchett: something 

Etai Nahary: that I, right. Con, con, uh, control, right.

Kylie Patchett: Control, authority, and valor. 

Etai Nahary: O Okay. Control, right? Oh, no. So where was I getting, oh, that was a 34, sorry. Yeah, so control, authority, and so control is exactly, we talk about the shadow of that. . Control is exactly what you think. It's this, it's the, I'm going to control this.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: It's the, I have 

Kylie Patchett: to make it happen. I have to do it all. I have to drive 

Etai Nahary: it. And, and, and if you, and what's interesting about the 2145 is the 21 will is the gate through which we get resources through which we acquire the things that, [00:29:00] that we need. Because the 2145, and look, the 2145 is a beautiful channel.

Etai Nahary: It has its purposes. It has its uses. It's a tribal channel. Yes. What does a tribal channel do? A tribal channel goes from the 21, from the will to get things, to get resources. . And then the 45 says. Now we have things, we, the tribe have things we are not going to distribute the wealth that we have.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: For the tribe for equally. So everybody wins. So we need the 21. We need the 21 to say, this is what I'm going to go get. Yes. And I have the authority to go get it and I'm going to get it. And here I'm going to. So we need this. But, and it, once we are in and just because we, should we say shadow gifted?

Etai Nahary: We in any given moment, these are also fluid things. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Very 

Etai Nahary: much 

Kylie Patchett: so. 

Etai Nahary: I, nobody gets stuck anywhere. [00:30:00] We can move very well, not so easily, but it's possible. Which thinking I, I, I, I wish easily. Okay. Wishful thinking. But we, it's possible theoretically to move, right. Let's put it that way, between the shadow.

Etai Nahary: To the gift into the city. So it's very po So it's very possible to go from control . Into the gift of authority. It's, and it's a natural thing. Once what you're getting and what, and, and, and for what purpose. You your accumulated these resources to get them. Then you have the authorities, ah, I have a purpose now.

Etai Nahary: My purpose is to go for the tribe, for the good of the tribe. It's a tribal channel, remember? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Do , the other thing that, um, when I was reading the jenky over the weekend that really, really hit home to me is it talks about the shift from hierarchy. So, I must be the leader [00:31:00] in a certain energy versus archy.

Kylie Patchett: And Archy is something that I have long believed in and driven towards. And this is the reason why, like, I've done the work 

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Kylie Patchett: I've done. 

Etai Nahary: You and me both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and again the shadow of the 21 is control. The shadow of the 45 is dominance. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: So they play off of each other.

Etai Nahary: They feed each other. . And, uh, same thing with, with the, with the other with the other frequencies, the gift in the city as well. There's all, these are all, that's, they, they feed off off of each other this way. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: It's so cool, isn't it? Because, and as I'm hearing you talk and the, like, we are looking at the different stories here, rather than using human design as a set of rules, using it to understand the way that we're designed to move through the world.

Kylie Patchett: And the, and you said it so beautifully before, this is one of the things that could contribute to this pattern of behavior or this [00:32:00] pattern of moving through the world or whatever. To me it is just a beautiful empowerment tool. To feel into. And like even with everything that we are saying, as with anyone that you're listening to about any modality, you have to feel it through your own field.

Kylie Patchett: Does it resonate with you? Does it not resonate with you? And trusting the pull, because , I imagine if I had let myself just be completely turned off by human design because of the dogma, then I would never have arrived at true human design. And that happened. 

Etai Nahary: And it, and it's very, look, it's very easily easy to do that if 

Kylie Patchett: yes, 

Etai Nahary: it's you look and you listen to rah.

Etai Nahary: . On the one hand, he's mesmerizing. . I mean, his frequency is, I listen to his, to his lectures and oh my God, this, there's something in his frequency. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: That is just that, that completely takes you in. . If, and it, but if that's it, but if that's where you're coming from. And, and they'll all, [00:33:00] they'll often talk about, in, in traditional human design, they'll talk about no choice.

Etai Nahary: No choice. And for somebody like me who has been in a wheelchair his entire life, and I'm gonna stop sharing for the moment. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Who's been in a chair his entire life 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And who needs help, with the most basic of 

Kylie Patchett: function 

Etai Nahary: activities of daily living. Yeah. If you're gonna sit here and tell me, I have no choice, I'm gonna tell you, fuck you.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, fuck you. Exactly that. And that is the exact opposite of how I see the world. We are always at 

Etai Nahary: choice. Right. 

Kylie Patchett: Always. 

Etai Nahary: There's and where's the choice? The choice is in, and I've said it before. . The choice is in the story we tell ourselves, yes, this thing is an empowerment tool because. We get to choose the stories we tell ourselves at any given moment.

Kylie Patchett: So cool. So cool. 

Etai Nahary: And that's one of the reasons, and we'll do this in another, in, in another installment, but Yes. That's one of the reasons why I want to do the [00:34:00] next time we get together and it sound sounding like we will. Yes. Right. What I wanna do the next time, if it's aligned for us both 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Etai Nahary: Is to take a look at your. Is what we were going to do to begin with here . Is to take a look at your trend chart and to say, okay what, what's going on now? , 

Kylie Patchett: Do you want, do you wanna do a bit of a teaser? Because I think the other thing, the other thread that I'd like to kind of prelude for our next installment, because I, I do think we have way too much to say to keep, 

Etai Nahary: we have way too much.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Is that when, 

Etai Nahary: and, and by the way, thank you everybody for Thank you everybody for sticking with us up to this point. You guys are amazing and we love you. 

Kylie Patchett: We do. We do. And I hope that you are as fascinated by the unfolding of like both, , this is why I love talking to people about how they became, , how they were led to do what they do in the world.

Kylie Patchett: Because your golden threads, and I'm always talking to this with clients about writing magnetic copy. Is that there is literally probably [00:35:00] thousands if not tens of thousands of human design readers across the planet. And the ones that are for us are the ones that resonate. And so when we are just being our full, unapologetic self, as we are just chatting backwards and forwards as we always do, right, then your beautiful energy is gonna resonate with the perfect fit soulmate clients for you and your magic in the world.

Kylie Patchett: And for some people it'll be like, oh yeah, take it or leave it, kind of thing. And that's as it should be because that's absolutely. Yeah. We are not, we are not for everybody. You are not for everybody. But no, absolutely not. We are we are for the right people. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. Um, 

Etai Nahary: so, but in order to find out who those right people are, we need to show up.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. We need to show up and we need to share, and we need to trust. 

Etai Nahary: And that's, and that's hard by the way, but we're doing it anyway. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Well, and I think the other thing is like, if I go back to my genetics. There's never, ever been and never will be another human exactly the same as you or me or anyone 

Etai Nahary: else.

Etai Nahary: Karen. Karen, Karen Parker says that we are a once in [00:36:00] each of us are a once in a lifetime Yeah. Cosmic event. 

Kylie Patchett: Exactly. 

Etai Nahary: And I love it. 

Kylie Patchett: And 

Etai Nahary: so 

Kylie Patchett: how can you 

Etai Nahary: of us a once in a lifetime, cosmic, we need to be here for some re for some reasons. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I wanna say exactly. I wanna say reason. Reasons. 

Kylie Patchett: Reasons.

Kylie Patchett: And to me, the chart helps you take a snapshot of what was activating at the time of your birth that can give us some indications of the flavors and the energy and the way that we're meant to move through the world. I think the prude for me is when you think about human design, particularly if it's a newer system to you, don't just think about, this is my birth chart.

Kylie Patchett: And I think if we, if you wanna just share, do you wanna share the transit chart just as a kind of you, because I think most people 

Etai Nahary: we could, we could. We could, um, most, 

Kylie Patchett: sorry. 

Etai Nahary: And while I'm doing that, I want to just double click on a word that you used. Yes. Which is, which is a [00:37:00] snapshot. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: The chart is 

Kylie Patchett: two snapshots Yes.

Etai Nahary: Is a snapshot. . Let me see if I can Ahuh. The chart is, is the chart is something that ILA term that I learned from integral psychology. The chart is what I like to say. True, but partial that any given chart gives us a snapshot 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Of, of what the energies were doing at that particular moment .

Etai Nahary: That, that the chart was is calculated to show us. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: In other words, because how do we derive a chart and I don't know where, how you're going to edit this so that it makes sense because we should really done this at the beginning. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, 

Etai Nahary: good. We derive a chart from the day. From the day and the month and the year.

Etai Nahary: . Right. And the place and the precise time of our birth. And [00:38:00] so all the chart is gonna show us is a, is exactly that. It's a snapshot of what are the energies doing, what is the sky doing, what are the energies doing at that moment? For example, this this transit chart, this con uh, it's a transit chart that I pulled right.

Etai Nahary: Okay. This transit chart, if you look, is a transit chart for the date of the 12th of January, uh, 2026. . At and can I read this? 2249 UTC. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: So, and the issue is, is that the chart if I were to pull, if I were to pull the chart in an hour from now, it might look different. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, yes.

Etai Nahary: Because the snapshot is for specifically, uh, the, the, the 12th of January. . Of [00:39:00] 2026 at 2249 UTC. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. And so what we are looking at on the screen, if, if people aren't oriented to this kind of look, um, this is from inside of genetic matrix. The left hand side is my body graph snapshot at the time of birth.

Kylie Patchett: The right, 

Etai Nahary: this is what we call this, this is what we call a natal chart. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Natal chart. The right hand side is the transit. So what's happening a around us in the sky. And when we are talking about truity, it is 

Etai Nahary: actually at this particular moment, part of the 12th of January. And I keep saying this because it's very important snapshot, right?

Etai Nahary: Yes. Snapshot. Snapshot of 12th of January, 2026 at 2249. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Right. Because at 2250 it could be a different thing. 

Kylie Patchett: Correct. And then the middle is those two charts overlaid 

Etai Nahary: is, yeah. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And will. And we'll talk about, and of course the next time we talk about it, it could be a completely different looking chart.

Etai Nahary: It will be, yeah. So you, you might not be a [00:40:00] manager at that point. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, I know. I'll take it. 'cause I'm doing more website creation today, so I'll take the fine channels. Thanks. 

Etai Nahary: Actually, actually, what I, I misspoke. I said you might not be, you might not be a many a a many. I might, yes. Yeah. What I wanted to say, and this is very important because again, language is important.

Etai Nahary: . The, the chart your foundation chart doesn't change. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: You are a Islamic manifester. A six to ple you because of the transit today at this moment you could feel the possibility that you could feel like an emotional managing. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: That does not mean that you are an emotional manager.

Etai Nahary: Experiencing it means that you could feel 

Kylie Patchett: experiencing, 

Etai Nahary: you could theoretically, possibly feel . Like an emotional manager with every one of the bloody centers defined. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Exactly. How, 

Etai Nahary: how does that [00:41:00] feel? 

Kylie Patchett: I tell you the difference between yesterday morning when I woke up feeling really emotionally flat and like, I just didn't have any energy and I didn't wanna get outta bed.

Kylie Patchett: Versus this morning I woke up naturally at quarter to five and I was like, oh, go time ready. I'm looking forward to it's interview, and then I've got this to do and that to do, and I'm creating. 'cause I, I love I love design, so I'm creating a few more webpages today. So that feels very exciting.

Kylie Patchett: Yesterday. Completely different. 

Etai Nahary: And, and what, and what you ha you have now, you have today in this moment. . You have a co you have a connection from the root. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: To the ESP, which means that you, for the moment of this chart, have a, have a particular emotional wave. Yes. Possibly. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep.

Etai Nahary: So you could be and then you go from there. You have a, and by the way, I have, we both have we both have a 40, if you look at it. Yes, I have the 40. I think you do too. [00:42:00] But it's very, very easy, for you depending on who you are with. . Depending on the, for you to, to have this, and we talked about this before, to have this pulse from the root 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Etai Nahary: That goes into this. I will do this because I'm here to prove myself. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I'm here to prove myself because I can, I have a defined will except I can't see it. Yeah. So it's, it's. At any given moment, the energies are doing what they're doing and the most there's so many important things to remember, but

Etai Nahary: any chart, whether it's astrology, human design, what have you, any tool at its best should be used to confirm something that you already know. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: If you don't, if it doesn't resonate what somebody's telling you ab about [00:43:00] you, ab about if you don't see yourself in an exploration, in a reading .

Etai Nahary: That, then, then leave it. Andena and Elena has this wonderful thing. There's a wonderful saying, which has become sort of one of, one of my, one of my go-to and I think, I think, what I'm gonna say, and Elena will say, look, take what resonates and leave the rest. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Yeah. And say same thing for this conversation.

Etai Nahary: . We, we've been talking now for a very, very long time saying lots and lots of things. 95% of it could be complete bullshit as far as you're concerned. If 5% of it works for you. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: Take that 5% and we've done our job. We've served you in that way. Right? . Yep. Whatever doesn't work, leave it.

Etai Nahary: If the chart says nothing to you, if you think this is bullshit, this is nothing. I had, I [00:44:00] think I told you about this. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: I had somebody in LinkedIn. Ask me, what is human design? What is, what is a, a human design guy do? I responded to him And you, you saw the response. You had a wonderful reaction to it.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: His basically was, I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know what a chakra is. I don't know what a I, maybe I'm in the minority, but thank you for the description. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah, yeah. 

Etai Nahary: And my response before would've been Well, but now I have to explain to you. Yes. I, I have to explain.

Etai Nahary: And I'm in the, and, and what am I doing? And people don't understand. We are not for everybody. And my response was simply my pleasure. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: He said, thank you for the description. He asked the question. He, he, he helped me to formulate. I had most of the description but he helped me formulate.

Etai Nahary: Basically what's going to be on my website once. Yeah. So 

Kylie Patchett: [00:45:00] he, he served you too in the rivers direction, 

Etai Nahary: right. So, so he and all I said, I, I don't understand. I don't know. I, I don't know what a chakra is. I don't know what Buddhism is. Okay. You not, not my position to teach you. 

Kylie Patchett: No. 

Etai Nahary: He said thank you for the description.

Etai Nahary: I said my pleasure. He took what resonated or in this case, what didn't resonate? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: He wanted a description. I gave him a description. He acknowledged I gave him a description. We left, we're done. 

Kylie Patchett: And how much more peace do you have not having to try and fill the gap with an explanation 

Etai Nahary: and not having to, oh my God, oh my God, I'm, I'm, I'm, people don't understand what I'm saying and I have to fix, and I have to do and what if people don't understand?

Etai Nahary: The people who are meant to understand 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: Are going to understand. 

Kylie Patchett: And if they don't, they'll ask questions 'cause they're curious and , like the, 

Etai Nahary: yeah. Exactly. . So in, in that way, fine. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, 

Etai Nahary: I know. And I, I already had a sense that this particular person who [00:46:00] didn't, wouldn't be interested in, wouldn't be interested, but he asked.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: So answered. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Exactly. 

Etai Nahary: You, you, you ask a projector a question, you're gonna get an answer. . That's what we do. That's what we do. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. I think this is a fabulous, like a, a final kind of like pulling everything together, because as we've said, like we are uniquely designed, we will resonate with the people that we're meant to resonate with our story and the reasoning behind what we do in the world will attract our soulmate clients and we don't have to work.

Kylie Patchett: Bending over backwards to please all the people all of the time. Because I, I see that all the time with people's marketing. I'm like, stop that because you're watering yourself down and the people that need you and your gifts don't. Yeah. 

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Kylie Patchett: do that. Want you don't. 

Etai Nahary: And, and, , there's, there's one, there's one thing that I that I came to of, in, in my process as a [00:47:00] disability advocate.

Etai Nahary: Which again, it's not that I'm not a disability advocate anymore. I am a disability advocate. By necessity. I always will be. I don't exactly know how disability will work its way into all of my offerings. That I'm doing human design related or otherwise. . It's just not going to be necessarily a, , front of, the first thing you see.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: The human, human design is going to be. Yeah. But the one thing, the one conclusion that I've come to, and it's, it's been, it's been so liberating for me, is to be able to say the words. It's not me, it's the system. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: It's not any of us. There is nothing fucking wrong with us, wrong with us.

Etai Nahary: It's the system. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Etai Nahary: And one of the reasons that I can say that now is because of the of human design. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. What a bloody gift. Eai. Like, 

Etai Nahary: it's not me, it's [00:48:00] just the way I'm designed. And that's supposed to be that way. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yep. Yep. For all of us, all of the ways and means with which we're being conditioned to, to believe that our natural way is not the right way in whatever system of oppression.

Kylie Patchett: Whether, and we've talked about ableism, like I would say the education system does that to people. I would say that a lot families and Exactly. We are being taught to be cogs in a machine and what we need to be is individuated geniuses because that's what we are bloody designed to be. So 

Etai Nahary: we need to be differentiated.

Etai Nahary: Yeah. It's a science of differentiation. Exactly. For a reason. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Etai Nahary: It's a science of a differentiation for a reason. And there is nothing wrong with any of you. It's the system. 

Kylie Patchett: So good. Ugh. What a bloody joy to start my day with such a juicy conversation. Thank you so 

Etai Nahary: much. Thank you. So much fun. I look forward to, I look forward to many, many more.

Kylie Patchett: We are gonna be doing a series, I don't know what we, maybe we'll call the. Conversations [00:49:00] with, I don't know. We'll figure that out, but, 

Etai Nahary: well, you are the, you are the manifester. You tell me, 

Kylie Patchett: do what? It doesn't even matter. Well, it does from a language perspective. Do what?

Kylie Patchett: Explorations with eai. That's what it's gonna be. Explorations 

Etai Nahary: with. You see Uhhuh? Yeah. Nice liter, nice alliteration there too. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Well, I love an alliteration. You can see my 

Etai Nahary: entire 

Kylie Patchett: businesses. 

Etai Nahary: Of course we do. Of course. This was beautiful. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, thank you so much my friend. Now again, um, you can be found on the internet at Intuitive Human Design Guide.

Kylie Patchett: And then you said on, uh, 

Etai Nahary: actually it's actually it's intuitive. Intuitive HD guide. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Okay. Sorry. Intuitive HD guide. We will put all the links in the show notes. 

Etai Nahary: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Um, 

Etai Nahary: and, and once, and once everything comes up, yes, I'll let and you can, and we can add everything, , because the, , technology's great when it works.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: It at present is working less well than my ego would like, but I haven't, it'll come, but I have [00:50:00] an, I have an undefined ego, so I'm not supposed to prove myself. You, however, are. I know, I know. I'd like 

Kylie Patchett: to retire from my defined wheel center. Sometimes 

Etai Nahary: I, I I completely un stop burning it out, so you won't want to retire.

Etai Nahary: I 

Kylie Patchett: know, right? Um, 

Etai Nahary: it it, it's that simple and that complicated. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, I know. Oh, far out. So simple and yet so hard. Um, it's 

Etai Nahary: so complic. 

Kylie Patchett: Can we also, let's, in our next conversation, talk about, because we talked about in general terms, but I want next conversation 

Etai Nahary: that we record, right? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, yes. That we record because we were always talking we talked about natal charts.

Kylie Patchett: We have UD or previewed connection charts. You also talked about solar returns and Chiron returns. So we might, may maybe feel into that for our next episode, but We'll, we'll 

Etai Nahary: refer, actually, actually, what I've, I, I don't know if you remember, but I offered you. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, you 

Etai Nahary: did a, a gift of a solar return card.

Etai Nahary: It's 

Kylie Patchett: almost my birthday. 

Etai Nahary: I [00:51:00] know. So why don't, why don't we, the next, the next time we meet? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Etai Nahary: And I'd like, and I'd like for this to be before your birthday. 

Kylie Patchett: Okay. 

Etai Nahary: Because, because that, that feels like, if you're gonna do a solar return chart, that should really be done before. 

Kylie Patchett: I do love to have a reading before my birthday every year.

Kylie Patchett: That is, 

Etai Nahary: it's not a reading. 

Kylie Patchett: Well, no, I know, but like some sort 

Etai Nahary: of self exploration. No, but no, but with me, it's not a reading, it's an exploration. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 

Etai Nahary: We explore the, so the next time we meet, let's explore your, your solid return chart. 

Kylie Patchett: So cool. Oh, 

Etai Nahary: good. 

Kylie Patchett: Amazing. Thank you. Oh my 

Etai Nahary: goodness. That's what, that's what everybody can look forward to.

Kylie Patchett: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a beautiful 

Etai Nahary: evening in Dakota. Wonderful, wonderful. It's been wonderful to see everybody, to hear everybody and um, it's been my pleasure. 

Kylie Patchett: We'll be back. Don't you worry ly. 

Etai Nahary: Thanks. 

Kylie Patchett: Bye. 

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