S6E23: A Call to Arms by Spiritual Anarchist Tara Sullivan - Part 1

What happens when a woman stops behaving?

In Part 1 of this wide-ranging, fire-lit conversation, I’m joined by Tara Sullivan - Spiritual Anarchist, High Priestess of The Church of Tara, and proud W.I.T.C.H. (Woman in True Celebration of HerSelf).

We talk about spiritual anarchy, internal oppression, and the quiet (and not-so-quiet) ways women are trained to become obedient, palatable, and self-policing.

This episode moves through Tara’s path from actor to healer, the power of language to clarify identity, and why reclaiming sovereignty begins by dismantling the inner jailer.

We explore:

• Spiritual anarchy and blowing up the boxes we’ve internalised
• Language, naming, and how clarity sharpens purpose
• How obedience, “goodness,” and self-monitoring become internal oppression
• Healing as remembering the original blueprint beneath conditioning
• Why reclaiming pleasure, body, and intuition restores power
• Community, ritual, and creating spaces where women can speak freely

🎧 Part 2 continues with embodiment, pleasure as protest, political conditioning, and the creation of Elements of W.I.T.C.H.

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Listen to Tara's Call to Arms on Instagram here.

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Transcript

Tara Sullivan: [00:00:00] And next thing I knew, those two words rose up out of nowhere together. It was like spiritual anarchist. And I was like, yes, that's exactly, yeah, that's exactly what I am. Because my work is all about how do we offload all the things that we've learned, all the things that we've been indoctrinated to, the ideas, the shoulds, the expectations, all of those things that, that put us into boxes and limit us and keep us small and docile and obedient and beige.

Kylie Patchett: Welcome to Wild and finally fucking Free the show for disruptors, rebels, and revolutionaries who know they're here to change the damn world. I'm Kylie Patchett, your voice and visibility catalyst, and here we dive into unapologetic truth, magnetic messaging and visibility. That actually feels good. In your body, your bones, and your business.

Kylie Patchett: We share the stories of the out of the box, neuro [00:01:00] sparkly, creative, witchy, wild ones, rewriting how we live, love, learn, and lead. This isn't about being louder, it's about being rooted, resonant, and regulated, so you can be real raw and ready to raw. If you're done, contorting yourself to fit the mold and you're ready to own your voice, your power, and your place in the revolution, welcome home.

Kylie Patchett: Let's dive in.

Kylie Patchett: Hello, friends. It is Podcast Day again. Welcome to another double episode. This is part one of my conversation. Soulmate client and dear friend Tara Sullivan, who is the head witch woman in true celebration of herself at the Church of Tara.

Kylie Patchett: We are diving into spiritual anarchy, how you cannot celebr separate. Politics from healing and Tara's beautiful journey. The golden thread that's run through her life from [00:02:00] this wild child, precocious, beautiful, untamed little girl to being taught and conditioned to come away from herself and her return to her work in the world as a spiritual anarchist, a healer, a woman who I deeply love and admire.

Kylie Patchett: So this is part one of two parts. So let's dive into number one.

Kylie Patchett: Marvelous starting the podcast with some dancing. Hello everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. Tara Sullivan. Ah Tara, you are a gem of my life. We met just over a year ago, beloved, beloved friend and soulmate client, and I'm so excited that you're here. So welcome to the podcast. 

Tara Sullivan: Thank you. I'm so honored to be here.

Tara Sullivan: Truly, 

Kylie Patchett: my goodness. We have already pretty much like shot the breeze on all of our key topics for today, but we are gonna dive in now. I love the fact that like the [00:03:00] my, I so clearly remember the very first time that I saw your Instagram tag. I was traveling towards Brisbane. I was in launch for scene, which is voice and visibility activation.

Kylie Patchett: I was in the car, my husband's driving. We were going down for some birthday, and I got this Instagram notification. It was like Church of Terror, and I was like, Ooh, ooh. It's a little soul, like a wagging its tail moment of like, okay, there's something very interesting here. And I remember, 'cause I had been, I had voice noted you to say hello, welcome to my world, da da da.

Kylie Patchett: And your response, I was like, oh, I need to know this human. Because there was so much deliciousness in your vibe and that's why I love voice noting, right? 'cause you can really get a feel for energy. So I'm so excited. We are here just over a, 

Tara Sullivan: so, and I felt exactly the same way when, I mean, like I've told you, like, it was a no-brainer for me for seeing as soon as I saw that.

Tara Sullivan: What over here in the States is, Kamala Brat Green? 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, yes. , 

Tara Sullivan: advertisement that said, good girls do not lead [00:04:00] revolutions. And I was like, I'm tired of being a good girl and I wanna lead a revolution. Yes. I made, and then you voice noted me and I was like, oh my God, this is the best decision I've ever made.

Tara Sullivan: So from moment one, I think, 

Kylie Patchett: I mean we'll get to this in your story as well, but I think that for me that is the perfect example of just saying what you want to say because there was so many parts of me that was still wanting to like good girl up my own message. And I was like, seen was the very first time I was like, what?

Kylie Patchett: Fuck that. I wanna actually call out the disruptors of rebels and revolutionaries that are here to create new pathways and say, you wanna change the world? You gotta stop all the shit that . And I'm very aware that, and like we always talk about in client circles, you're always on the edge of your own invitation, right?

Kylie Patchett: So I was being called to stand up and own my full message, but that's what happens when you do, you magnetize people that are the perfect fit for it. That's a beautiful moment. Now you call yourself a spiritual [00:05:00] anarchist and the, well actually let's, I'll let you introduce yourself when you meet someone like I'm, so, I'm super, super interested because as we've worked together, you have got clearer and clearer and clearer on your mission on Earth.

Kylie Patchett: Like you have always been very strongly rooted to that mission. But how do you introduce yourself? Doubt. 

Tara Sullivan: I, I am more dabbling in the, in just directly saying I'm a spiritual anarchist Yes. These days because it, it definitely brings people up short. And I actually, that came through our work in the circle.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. , partially your calling yourself, what do you call it? A conduit for, or a 

Kylie Patchett: well, voice and visibility catalyst. I think I was starting Catalyst. Yeah, 

Tara Sullivan: catalyst. Yeah. And, and I was like, oh God, , I've called myself a healer forever because it's, I've done one-on-one healing for almost two decades at this point.

Kylie Patchett: Yep, yep, yep. 

Tara Sullivan: And as I'm stepping into a bigger platform and more online and, that kind of thing, it was like, okay, what is the flavor of healer that I am? Because [00:06:00] that's pretty generic. So how do I talk about what I do? And I was out for a walk one day after one of our sessions and like, just sort of like.

Tara Sullivan: It felt like the ideas were sort of tumbling, like rocks in the surf was sort of one of these. Mm-hmm. Yep. And next thing I knew, those two words rose up out of nowhere together. It was like spiritual anarchist. And I was like, yes, that's exactly, yeah, that's exactly what I am. Because my work is all about how do we offload all the things that we've learned, all the things that we've been indoctrinated to, the ideas, the shoulds, the expectations, all of those things that, that put us into boxes and limit us and keep us small and docile and obedient and beige.

Tara Sullivan: Um, instead of being our technical or radiant selves how do we step away from that? How do we divorce ourselves from that and reclaim our sovereignty in our own lives? So, mm-hmm. Being an anarchist make, like, let's blow up the boxes. Yes, [00:07:00] 

Kylie Patchett: please. Yes. And , again, like you say, I'm a healer and that word, I kind of feel like the word healer and the word coach are kind of similar.

Kylie Patchett: And there's so many different ideas about what that means. And , if I think about the word healer, if I wanna go towards like the negative connotations, I often go down the track of like people who want to help everybody. And they do it in a self-sacrificing way. All the way to people who empower people to find their own voice and their own sovereignty and their own flow, which I know is your flavor of that.

Kylie Patchett: But using the word healer dilutes your magic. And when you said spiritual anarchist, I still remember that call. Like there it was a mastermind call and like all of us were like, oh, like there was like a, a recognition moment. Oh, got goosebumps. And that is the power of language, right? 

Tara Sullivan: Truly. And it changed.

Tara Sullivan: I mean like, like I said, I've been doing the work that I do for mm-hmm. Almost 20 years. Yeah. And it, even just [00:08:00] naming it in that way actually changed how I, it was like everything got that much clearer. Mm-hmm. It wasn't like I was doing anything different. Mm-hmm. It was like things were that much more in focus.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: Because I was able to language it in that way and it was like, yes, that. 

Kylie Patchett: So cool. So cool. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: I wanted to go like backwards in your timeline a little bit because when we first like met, 'cause you have such a beautiful way of, with words, you've just written a book, which you're just putting the finishing touches on and you're starting to like share.

Kylie Patchett: I remember also one of our, , very first calls you shared this piece of writing and I just remember like, it was like everyone got really still, I always close my eyes when I'm hearing something that is powerful for me and I'm like. Oh my God. This is like a rally cry. Like this riding is like a call to arms to all the women who are sick of being downtrodden and docile and dismissing what they desire and want and need and all of those things.

Kylie Patchett: And you are starting to share more and more of like your magic [00:09:00] through like you've got such a beautiful way with words. And then I'm like, what? This is the golden thread that runs through your life because you started your original, original career as an actor and the perform, and I don't mean performative as in that awful putting a mask on your ability to capture people with word, both written and spoken.

Kylie Patchett: It's like. Of course she needed to be an actor first because that was all the skills that she needs to actually create this tion that she's here to create. Right. So like you've never had, I think you proudly said to me once, I've never had a normal job. Like I've never, never, never fit in the boxes.

Kylie Patchett: So how did you start, like how did life lead you to hear? 

Tara Sullivan: Oh, geez. Yeah. I mean, I was an actor and I started acting. My, my very first play was when I was six years old and, yeah. And then I acted all the way through. I had a brief period of time when I was in high school where I thought I would be a trial lawyer because you, 

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Kylie Patchett: could see that actually 

Tara Sullivan: it was still [00:10:00] acting.

Tara Sullivan: But you got your Corvette sooner was the thinking. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. 

Tara Sullivan: I was very fortunate. I had a, an English teacher my junior year. Yes. Mrs. Diaggio. And I'll never forget, she was having us write like practice essays for our college 

Audio Only - All Participants-1: Yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: Applications. And she had us write our first one. I don't even remember what the prompt is, but I remember the day that she was going to return them.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. And we were all in class and she wasn't there yet. And she like came in right as the bell and she's holding our papers and a cup of coffee in one hand and she walked to the desk and she dropped them on the desk with a thump. Oh. And she said, you people disgusted me. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, okay. 

Tara Sullivan: She said, you care more about money.

Tara Sullivan: Than you do about anything else. She said, let me tell you something. You are going to spend more time at your jobs than you will spend with your families. You're gonna spend more time at your jobs than you'll spend with your lovers, so you better love what you're going to do. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Tara Sullivan: And then said, [00:11:00] yeah, and then she said, what?

Tara Sullivan: You couldn't pay me a million dollars not to be a teacher. She said, I wish they'd pay me a million dollars to be a teacher. 

Kylie Patchett: To be a teacher. Yes, 

Tara Sullivan: but not for a million dollars. Would I do anything else? Mm-hmm. She said, find something that makes you feel like that. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Tara Sullivan: And I went home and I said to my parents, I said, I'm stop looking for pre-law programs.

Tara Sullivan: I'm going to theater school. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, thank goodness for Mr. DiMaggio's. Like 

Tara Sullivan: totally 

Kylie Patchett: talk about spiritual anarchy right there, because she's actually not. Because , the education system, at least in Australia, would say to us, it's all about getting to the best university to get the best paying job. It doesn't matter if you love it or not.

Kylie Patchett: It doesn't matter if it's your purpose or not. It doesn't matter if you'll feel like you're dying on the inside when you do it. It's the status, the money, the power, the blah blah, blah. And it's like, no, 

Tara Sullivan: and the security, right? Like over here. Over here. It's, , make sure you have a good job with good benefits.

Tara Sullivan: You gotta have health, somebody else paying for your health insurance. Mm-hmm. You have to write all of those kinds of things. Mm-hmm. And the idea of like, okay, I'm gonna go out there and, and be outside the box about that. Those kinds of things. I'm gonna [00:12:00] be an actor, I'm gonna be a healer. I'm gonna be, oh.

Tara Sullivan: And my poor mother, when I finally got the show where I was doing eight shows a week and I was paying the bills with it. Yes. And I had health insurance and paid vacation and all that kind of stuff. And she was so happy and she was like, , you always believed, and I know I was always really afraid, but you didn't.

Tara Sullivan: And then when I told her I was leaving the show to go back to school because I realized being an actor didn't make me happy. Yeah. She was like, but you just got health insurance. A poor woman. 

Kylie Patchett: Bless her. 

Tara Sullivan: Oh 

Kylie Patchett: my 

Tara Sullivan: goodness. 

Kylie Patchett: It's so funny. I got a lot of that conditioning. Like my, my dad was, , 55 when I was born.

Kylie Patchett: So he was very old school in the, like, it's all about security and safety and. , you save up, you get a, the great Australian dream, own your own house, da da da. Like, and I realized like after he passed away and I was making myself really wrong for some of the decisions I was making from a, like, what do I invest in?

Kylie Patchett: And I was like, oh, but I don't value the same thing that [00:13:00] he does, so that's okay. Like he, he very much was safety and security and routine. And I'm like adventure and wildness and freedom and also safety. Like, , there's definitely safety and yeah, I had the moment where I was like, oh, it's okay.

Kylie Patchett: That's okay if I value something differently. But God, for so many years far out. Anyway, so. 

Tara Sullivan: Well, and it's really interesting 'cause I actually got a message from my parents too, at the same time I was getting this one about safety and security is also like, find, find something that brings you joy. I mean, both my parents went back to school, both of them and in the helping professions and , 

Kylie Patchett: yeah.

Tara Sullivan: Raised, they raised a parcel of people who are all helpers and healer types. Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. So when you went back to school, is that when you studied like healing modalities? Like what was that the next step or? 

Tara Sullivan: No, I went to school, I got a master's degree, degree in creativity and spirituality. I did do that. I thought I was gonna come back and I was gonna reform the theater.

Tara Sullivan: I was going to make it a kinder, gentler place. 

Kylie Patchett: Always a revolutionary. [00:14:00] 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. Yep. I was gonna do that. Um, and. I had been working with a healer myself for a couple of years who, like hilariously, the very first time that I met him, and I met him sort of sideways, I was working in a casting agency.

Tara Sullivan: Everybody in the casting agency saw this healer. Mm-hmm. And I come from a family of doubting Thomas'. So like, yes, we have to see our fingers in the blood before we believe anything. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so I was like, healer, we'll see. And I ended up meeting him sort of sideways. And he said something to me that first time I was like, fine, I'll come see you.

Tara Sullivan: And so I came in for my first session and we sat opposite each other across the desk. And he said, hello? And I said, hello. And then he starts like looking everywhere, but at me. And I knew that he was looking at my aura. And he, it went on for like a full minute, which is a really long time for somebody to 

Kylie Patchett: like, it's for doubting Thomas.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. Like this. And at the end of that, and he used to be an actor as well. And so he has a flare for the dramatic, and he like moves off his glasses and he leans across the. The [00:15:00] desk and meeting goes, hello, little one who can do what I can do, like, and I was so not ready for it. My brain went, no, I'm an actor.

Tara Sullivan: And I leaned back and I crossed my arms over my chest and I said, well, it's my first time here, so I don't know what you do, but hi. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh. I get like, I don't get it very often, but when I get like. In the presence of magic or a story of magic. I get like this, um, feeling down my whole back body, like, um, effervescence.

Kylie Patchett: And I just got that when it was just like, oh, he saw you from the very beginning? 

Tara Sullivan: From the very beginning. And he was very patient. Like, it took four years for me to get to the place of like, no, I'm not an actor. I go away to grad school. And even there was all this weird synchronous, amazing synchronous stuff that was happening.

Tara Sullivan: Even how I found the school was synchronous. 

Kylie Patchett: Mm-hmm. 

Tara Sullivan: Mm-hmm. And so I, I go off to school, but I have this voice in my head that says to me, this is great and you need to do this, but you have to be back in Chicago by July of next year. 

Kylie Patchett: Yep. 

Tara Sullivan: And I was [00:16:00] like, okay. Because again, lots of weird synchronous things.

Tara Sullivan: So, but I go, when California totally prepared for it to take me wherever it was going to take you. Yeah, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: yeah, yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: And it got to be like May and nothing was popping as far as staying there and. And , everybody had been like, oh my God, you solar powered human. You're gonna get to California, you're gonna love it.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. California and the weather was fine, but I sort of found I'm an east coaster and we are kind of edgy. And California can be like so laid back. They're practically gorgeous. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. It's such a different vibe. Oh my goodness. 

Tara Sullivan: It's such a different vibe. And I found myself homesick for the first time ever.

Tara Sullivan: And it meant, it meant Chicago. Like it didn't mean I had grown up. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah. And 

Tara Sullivan: in that period. Like, I get this email from my healer's office saying he's teaching a class in energy healing, and would I be interested? And honest to God, I signed up for that class, not because I had any intentions of being a healer, but because I knew I was gonna need community to have the weird woo woo conversations that I was having at school.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. And it happened to be [00:17:00] starting in July. It wasn't that perfect timing. 'cause I, I needed to be back in July. 

Kylie Patchett: You already had the signpost from the universe? 

Tara Sullivan: I think I was in that class, the first class that I went to. I think I was in there like 10 minutes and it felt as if the sky opened up and I got hit with a orange lightning bolt between my eyes and was like, oh, this is what I came back for.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: And it was a 20 week course and after 10 weeks he took me on as his apprentice. And like that was the start of that. Yeah. Wow. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. It's so magic. So magic. So cool. I love the, like, I love any golden thread stories, but as like you have like, I know. The immense connection that you have with universal life Force Energy.

Kylie Patchett: In the now, but it's cool to hear that even 20 years ago you were so dialed in that it was like, no, no, this is where you need to go. This is exactly what you need to be doing. This is the timing that you need to do it, and exactly what you, where the location is as well. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah, I mean, that piece was great and I also feel like I've had to be dragged kicking and [00:18:00] screaming into just about, I mean, like I, I almost went to massage school like seven times before I did.

Tara Sullivan: And honestly, the thing I was like, I don't like being stuck in an office. The idea of being in an office all day every day, that just makes my skin crawl. Mm-hmm. Like not interested in it. And like, once I was actually in the room and having the experience, I was like, oh, when you close the door on the treatment room, it's like opening the door on the wardrobe to Narnia.

Tara Sullivan: Yes. Like, you never know where you're gonna end up. Yeah. Even if it's the same client who's been on the table before, like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just different experiences. So, 

Kylie Patchett: so cool. It's so cool. And when you, like when you have. A body in front of you, and I know you do remote sessions as well, but when you have a body in front of you, like you've, you've told me stories about not specific clients, obviously that goes without saying, but seeing the patterns of the physical end point of the psychological, emotional, energetic, stuck points, and I guess like you, you [00:19:00] really were being a spiritual anarchist, even in the treatment room from the very beginning.

Kylie Patchett: I, I would assume that that is just the flavor that it always had. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. Well, and it, it always feels like, let's, I and I have said to people for years, like, I have all kinds of different analogies for this, right? Yeah. But it, it's like we all come in as these light filled, airy temples to the all that is, and then life comes along and dumps a desert worth of sand on us in the form of other people's expectations and false beliefs about ourselves.

Tara Sullivan: Mm-hmm. And traumas and all of that. And then it's our jobs to dig out from underneath that. And, , sometimes we're getting rid of great big chunks of, not me, and we get to like backhoe or a shovel out, we're like in there with a toothbrush, like mm-hmm. We clearing things out. But the goal to me is to come back, , to clear the temple that is always there, right?

Tara Sullivan: Like, we're always here waiting for ourselves. To appear, so yeah, it's always, it's always coming back to that temple or to come back to the original blueprint that mm-hmm. , being able [00:20:00] to see where, we've been had weird wings built on us that aren't supposed to be there. Yeah, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: yeah, yeah.

Kylie Patchett: Someone else's constructions. Um, I think that was like the, when I saw Church of Terror in York, 'cause this is your business name as well, like the concept of coming home to the temple that is us. When I first saw that there was something very like the, it was almost like, I wanna know someone who has the fuck you to the system.

Kylie Patchett: And also there's a part of me that was like the audacity of like, there is a church inside of me and there's a church inside of you. And I was like, that is the edge that I love in people when they're like, this is my truth. And you are not trying to like convert the world to that truth necessarily, but you are here for anyone who is aligned to that truth, which is very cool.

Kylie Patchett: I wanna go back to, I know when we were working on like your origin story, you had, you have this kind of moment in time where you realized [00:21:00] that you were this like beautiful pixie, like kid as a little person and then the sand started to get poured in and I think it was when you were at college, Hey, that you college, sorry, I don't even know whether, is it university or college?

Kylie Patchett: 'cause it's different here. So when you one works Yeah. University. When you were in the writing class and you were getting all of those prompts in the. That was actually that I took that writing class when I was 40. This the year. Oh, wow. Okay. So more recently. Okay, interesting. More recently. Yeah.

Kylie Patchett: Interesting, interesting. Yeah. So I'm in class, I'm, I'm taking this, my first writing class since college. Yeah. Because I had one of those teachers in college who like, if your tree didn't look like her tree, it wasn't really a tree. Yeah, yeah. And she, she was very into literature. And at the time I was very into like writing fantasy.

Tara Sullivan: So about really empowered women. Yes, of course. Of course. That's what it was. Women who, when they walked down their heels made sparks. Like, I [00:22:00] amazing. Um, so I'm taking my very first writing and it happened like after this sort of horrific breakup that I went through where I had sort of given overgive way too much of myself and.

Tara Sullivan: , came to this place of, like, I, the way for me to reclaim myself is through my own joy. And like, what is sexy and juicy to me right now? Like, I need to start doing things to like fill my joy up so that I can find myself again. And one of those things was like, oh, I really wanna take a writing class.

Tara Sullivan: So I was taking this class, it's we call it live lit, so it's like writing for performance. 

Kylie Patchett: Oh, cool. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. So I, a little bit of both of the things. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: I love, and every prompt that the teacher gave, I wrote a piece. From like six and under. And to the point where he actually looked at me at one point and was like, have you had a life since you turned five?

Tara Sullivan: Like, and I was like, I, I don't know, but like whatever you ask. Like, this is where I come to, 

Kylie Patchett: this is where I go. Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: And like at some point it dawned on me [00:23:00] that the reason that was was because I was trying to reclaim who I was before I went to school and started all the indoctrination of, , you're too much, you're too loud, you talk too much, you have too much energy, you have too much imagination.

Tara Sullivan: You play sports too aggressively for a girl. 

Kylie Patchett: You're, yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Tara Sullivan: All of those, all of those kinds of things. And so that, that wild child that I had been, , I mean, I have such memories of like hanging out the window of the car and like singing to the sun. And being very clear. I mean, I know I was a handful, like very clear about what I was willing to do and what I wasn't willing to do.

Tara Sullivan: And , all of those kinds of things. And , I mean there's certainly some of that where I look at the raw material, I'm like, I could see why that needed to be shaped but not squashed in quite a way. 

Kylie Patchett: Not squashed. Squashed. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think too, like when we are [00:24:00] in systems, like the education system or whatever, depending on, culture, family, community, whatever, receiving any message that's like your natural way of being is not the right way to be, is so confronting.

Kylie Patchett: And of course, as little people, we have to choose to belong. Like, we can't survive without the elders, the, , people that are supposed to be our caretakers. And so. Yeah, unfortunately, often we learn to self abandon and pretend that we are not, and it's so wild to me because the terror I know now like, feels the same energy wise as like that, ferocious, precocious, beautiful, just, , I'm gonna do whatever feels good and, and, , and so it's a, I don't know.

Kylie Patchett: There's a part of me that wants to kind of go back in time and be like, what were you like then before you reremembered? Because you feel like that to me now. That's very 

Tara Sullivan: interesting. I mean, I think there were that if you had looked at me from the outside, there were a lot of people who would've thought that I was, was living that life.

Tara Sullivan: Yes. I [00:25:00] mean, like, I've always lived up to the edge of the boxes. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: Um, and I, , I have a tendency to explode out of them. Like the level of control that I had on myself. I think one of the first things we talked about was like constantly having this monitor outside of myself, this piece of myself that was constantly watching myself to make sure that I was behaving appropriately.

Kylie Patchett: Mm-hmm. ? And the 

Tara Sullivan: level of like beating myself up. I would do in the aftermath of something if I felt like I had been too free. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: Know, , the level of like ick that I would feel after that. And they, , I mean we're all our own first client, right? Like, 

Kylie Patchett: yep. 

Tara Sullivan: The first person I had to help with spiritual anarchy was me.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Um, uh, , we are always the first to move. Well, if we're in integrity, we are. Put it that way. I'm interested too, as you were going through, so you were already doing healing work at this stage. So as you are going through this realization yourself, did you also notice a shift or patterns in clients that kept on coming [00:26:00] up around, maybe not the same, like wild child being covered up, but that same sort of like, here's who I really am, here's what I really want, but this is the way that I've taught myself I have to be.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. And how do they show up actually? Yeah, the patterns, but also I love your kind of sense of like. The impact that the internal oppression, like we've, we've been oppressed by external, then we turn it internal. What happens with our energy and our physical body that really, it just like repeats the cycle, right?

Kylie Patchett: Reemphasize. Okay. Well, the idea that we are our own jailers, , I mean, I, I, again, I, I've really come to this place with the, like, having language around it to understand like that inner critic part of ourselves that is, constantly policing it. What it's policing is the edges of the boxes.

Kylie Patchett: Mm-hmm. 

Tara Sullivan: Right? Yeah. Like anytime that we are on the verge of maybe stepping outside of the box, that's when the voices get really, really loud. And so for me, like I've come to a place where like when my inner critic pops up and [00:27:00] I love that you've named yours. And so, and then I had to go name mine, which is mine is Brittany, and she talk like that Brittany.

Tara Sullivan: And she really, really, really wants me to be likable. And so she 

Kylie Patchett: sounds like a main girl. 

Tara Sullivan: She's totally a mean girl. She's terrible. , and, and Brittany pops up when I'm at that place, and so when I, now when Brittany is there, I'm like, Ooh, I must be really dancing on the edge of my own. Yes. The limit, the self limitations.

Tara Sullivan: Like, thanks Brittany. Now go sit in the back of the bus, ? Yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: exactly. You're welcome. I'll listen to you. This is like, that's, sorry, you go, go 

Tara Sullivan: ahead. Oh, I think from the beginning with the, with my practice be because of the way that I see people, like one of the other analogies I often use is that like standing in front of someone or standing with my hands in someone's body is a lot like standing in front of a choir and being able to hear where the notes are off.

Kylie Patchett: Ooh, yes. I love that. 

Tara Sullivan: My job is to sort of bring it all into harmony so that [00:28:00] somebody's music can be heard clearly, like to tune the static out and 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: The whole thing. But the piece of that for me that is like one step above that is that each of us has our own intrinsic music. Yeah. , that, that is unique to only you.

Tara Sullivan: And so from the very beginning it was about how do we clean this up so the you of you can show up, like removing whatever it is that's causing that static. And so even though I couldn't have languaged it like that, that always, like the intuitive piece of me was always moving towards towards that. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: So cool. Yeah, because it just, to me like the, it's the dissonance versus resonance thing. It's like, what is your true. Yeah, I really like that. I like the analogy of the choir 'cause it's like, , bringing some parts up and quieting down and clearing out the background noise and turning off the channels that are not actually yours to begin with.[00:29:00] 

Kylie Patchett: Um, 

Tara Sullivan: yeah. And au that, , that part of you you're singing out of tune, like 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. , 

Tara Sullivan: do you 

Kylie Patchett: find it's, um, like if you have a new client come to you and in their mind, like maybe they're the doubting Thomases that we were talking about, which I definitely was when I first came across any alternative medicine?

Kylie Patchett: Very much so. When people come to you that really, really don't yet understand that the physical expression is, is one part of the equation, like the, it's not that you just have a sore neck, it's that there's something that's out of balance in this whole energetic equation that is also creating a physical like, um, disease or unease.

Kylie Patchett: How do you. How do you put that into words to help people? And I know maybe it's different for different people, but I'm interested to, 'cause I love your, I love your love of language. It's, I think it's gonna be helpful for people to kind of understand it. I tend [00:30:00] to meet people where they're at, so the people who show up and think that they're just there for body work.

Kylie Patchett: , I mean, I do, I have a, I have a first time spiel that I always run people through. Yeah. Because, because I run energy while I'm doing body work. Yes. And so it makes things different than your typical massage. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: Um, , and so I always tell them, , like, these are the things that can happen.

Tara Sullivan: Like I'll say, , sometimes people will tell me, my hands feel really hot. Mm-hmm. , you may feel a vibration coming through. It happens in two different directions. You may be releasing something you don't need, or something's not quite vibrating where it's supposed to. So we just nudge that back into a proper tech.

Tara Sullivan: Um, and I always tell 'em, , if there's a pocket of old stuck energy in, there's something that. You've been holding onto for a while. And I always assure them that all of us have them. Yes. All of us. Um, for me that can be like circling the landing field and waiting for the clouds to open. And so when it happens, it tends to happen pretty suddenly.

Tara Sullivan: And for me, I run everything up and through me. And so it's like I have my mouth fastener [00:31:00] out a fire hose, so they might hear me go or ooh or boom or variety of other weird phrases. And I'm always like, it doesn't hurt. It's fine. Yes, 

Kylie Patchett: it's fine. I'm just to it. 

Tara Sullivan: Like my head's a little magic eight ball, so if things bubble up and like knock hard enough on the inside of my head I'll ask, does this this mean anything for you?

Tara Sullivan: Or Yeah. , and I open up the invitation if they see any colors or they have visions, ? Yeah. And I also like, and I'm like, and none of that may happen. This may be 90 minutes on the table and you're just gonna get up feeling lighter and brighter and more able to be you 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: In the world. And feeling delicious in your body.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. So like what, wherever you are at, however you walk out. 

Kylie Patchett: Perfect and correct. Yeah. I'm wondering too, when you so you've been, you've been doing this work for a couple of decades at what stage? Because I, I think the other thing that we talked about that very first day was the fact that you already had an in-person cover and you were talking about like you wanted to expand the reach of the work that you do in that kind of circle to like a world [00:32:00] stage.

Kylie Patchett: And, um, I'm like, how did that come about? Like when did you also go, okay, I'm gonna come outta the broom closet as well. And also your definition of which too, because I love that. Specific. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. So my definition of which, where I've come to which is actually part of the story as well. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Tara Sullivan: A couple of years ago it ha and this was actually after I had started the coven, so we could start there. Yeah. Um, so I, we had done, I had done some sort of ritual stuff and things like that. We'd had a woman circle down at the office that mm-hmm. Had disbanded and I had really enjoyed the ritual 

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Tara Sullivan: Leadership part of it. I actually considered, when I was leaving theater, I actually considered going into the ministry. And so the, and the idea, creating experiences for people to have that connection Yes. Connection. That part of it was very interesting. So I had started to sort of do ritual here at my house when I felt like it, it was sort of like, , would happen every now and then.

Tara Sullivan: And I, it's funny 'cause I hadn't quite put this together until this [00:33:00] moment, but actually politics drove the decision for the coven to become an every month kind of thing because here in the states Brett Kavanaugh, who is now one of the Supreme Court justices, was up for confirmation and he had been accused pretty credibly of sexual abuse.

Tara Sullivan: And it was very clear that they had not followed up on anything they had. I mean, there was all kinds of things that came out afterwards as far as them not having done their due diligence on him. Yes. And he had a meltdown and like screamed and raged and cried and. Um, and every woman I knew was like watching this waiting to see.

Tara Sullivan: We'd had Harvey Weinstein like earlier in the year. Yes. And that was a huge celebration of like, oh, they're finally gonna listen to us. Finally, here's this happening on at this level. And then they confirmed him. Yeah. And I have never, in all my years of practice, like usually when big world events happen, the phones at the [00:34:00] office ring off the hook.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: The phones went silent for like three weeks. 

Kylie Patchett: Mm-hmm. 

Tara Sullivan: And. Like all of the women were like just getting through their lives. Like it was like, I can't even begin to process this because I'm gonna come unglued. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: And so I did a ritual. I, , I invited people to come and we did a ritual around it and like giving people some space to talk about their own experiences of being sexually abused.

Tara Sullivan: Yes. And all of those kinds of things. And I thought to myself in that moment, I was like, , we need a space like this to be able to have these conversations and in this sort of like ritual container 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: On a more regular basis. And then my brain was like, well Sullivan, you spot it. You got it. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly.

Kylie Patchett: I've never heard that before. I like that. 

Tara Sullivan: That was in October and the coven became a regular thing in January. 

Kylie Patchett: Wow. 

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. 

Kylie Patchett: That's so cool. I didn't realize that it was politically [00:35:00] because I like. You are going through wild. I mean, the whole world is going through wild times, but particularly of course with the weird orange man in office, once again, doing harm to all and sundry.

Kylie Patchett: And I've, I've watched your, it's like the political climate sharpens your word, sharpens your drive, sharpens your, like we have to, like, the change is not coming from external. No one is coming to save us. It is our job to save ourselves and to do that, we've gotta break down all the conditioning, all the oppression that we've turned internal so that we can actually create new pathways.

Kylie Patchett: Um, yeah. So it kind of makes sense to me that, yeah, it did actually makes me wanna look at your astrology because I'm like, okay, where are the, the rebellious planets in this? Because I can guess, but so 

Tara Sullivan: there's a lot of Leo in there. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. That does not surprise me at all. I think when we were talking about this, you were like, you cannot.

Kylie Patchett: Separate politics and healing. There is no, there's [00:36:00] no way No. To disengage or unlock those separately without the Yeah, 

Tara Sullivan: especially at this point in history. Yes. Like it feels very much like Right. The political activism, which is all about how do we dismantle this system. 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: That it is so clear that it's not working.

Tara Sullivan: For the vast majority of us, it's 

Kylie Patchett: not working for anyone unless you're at the top of the tree and male, pale and stale with a lot of cash and some higher buddies that will let you sexually abuse people left, right, and center quite happily and just turn a blind eye. 

Tara Sullivan: It works for them and it works for nobody else.

Tara Sullivan: And we're seeing that so very clear. And of course there's lots of people who have seen that. I mean, people of color and 

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: Queer people and all of that have been very clear all the way along that that's, , and, and women to a certain amount too. But I think it's like, it, it is, there's a consensus at this point, it feels like for a lot of us, that, like the system's not working well, that same political system that we're trying to dismantle out there Yes.

Tara Sullivan: Is the same [00:37:00] system that is oppressing us in here. It's, it's all the things that we have taken on and that inner jailer has taken on mm-hmm. That keep us limited in our expression of self and in our ability to like, enjoy our lives and to be fully present and, and bring all of our gifts to the world.

Tara Sullivan: Right. I keep saying to people like, we know what the outcome of mainstream thinking is. You don't need. A glass ball, crystal ball, crystal ball. Like all you have to do is like turn on the news or look out the window. Like this is what mainstream thinking has gotten us. 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: And so we want a different reality then we need all the weird out of the box.

Tara Sullivan: Like, Hey, we've never done this before, but yes, 

Kylie Patchett: let's try something new. 

Tara Sullivan: Try something new. We need everybody to feel free enough to like bring the, to have the ideas to begin with. And then bring them to the for and be like, Hey, let's consider some of this. And we all need to get out the [00:38:00] box to do that.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly. And we all need to be brave enough to be the people that move because, and this, I think that was the whole point behind the scene thing is like, you wanna change the world, you've gotta fucking change it. Like you've got to step up like the time. And I, I was reading back through a couple of posts that I've written then and I was like, oh my God, I feel even more strongly about this a year later.

Kylie Patchett: 'cause, and I. Again, the happy accident of the universe, just giving me Carmela green as the, as the color of that campaign. 'cause I didn't even know that until you told me that, like six months after that campaign. But I think the political climate was so

Kylie Patchett: like active for everybody involved. So activating people's belief systems and extreme beliefs and like us and them, and you are right and I'm wrong and we can't have blah, blah blah. And it's like, what about, there's a third way where everyone is welcome at the table and everyone gets to add their music.

Kylie Patchett: If you come back to your analogy, like [00:39:00] everyone brings a flavor and I know it feels like we are forever away from it sometimes, but I do think there's enough of us, like the pendulum is almost at. That we can't get any more extreme and it has to come back in the other direction. And , we were talking about astrology before we, we started recording and it's like all of this activation that happens mid this year, it's like, yeah, we are getting ready for a massive, massive shift and we all need to take responsibility for the internal oppression.

Kylie Patchett: Like the anarchy or maybe it's like internal anarchy against the oppression, which is the external oppressor turned inwards. 

Tara Sullivan: And that to me is what spiritual anarchy is, right? Yeah. Like it, it is not anarchy that's out there blowing up, up buildings. It's anarchy that's in here blowing up those limitations.

Tara Sullivan: Yeah. 'cause we need every voice. Like, it's really interesting. I wrote the, um, we always do a calling in the directions for the coven. Yes. And I, I [00:40:00] wrote them for the very first circle and I like, , I looked at a bunch of different things that were online and I pulled this and that I liked and then I added my own stuff.

Tara Sullivan: And it wasn't until like, I don't know, the fourth or fifth time we used it that I realized that I had put all the rules that I wanted for the coven into that calling in the directions. And it is all about how do we as women stand for one another? Yes. Understanding that the choices that are right for you may not be the choices that are right for me.

Kylie Patchett: Yes. 

Tara Sullivan: But if you're making them in alignment with your truth and with higher good, I can be absolutely a hundred percent in support of it, even though I would never do that thing myself. 

Kylie Patchett: No, exactly. 

Tara Sullivan: And that's what we all need. Like I this homogenization that, that is demanded of us, right? Like you have to fit into the box, you have to fit into the mold, you have to look this way, you have to love this way, you, mm-hmm.

Tara Sullivan: Like we're missing all of the joy in life if we are making everything like. [00:41:00] White. , I mean, yeah, 

Kylie Patchett: exactly. 

Tara Sullivan: I don't like a, I know that everybody thinks it's elegant to have like all white flowers in a don't give me, I want a bouquet that's got every color 

Kylie Patchett: I want chaos in a bouquet. 

Tara Sullivan: Chaos in a bouquet.

Tara Sullivan: And like, and it's gorgeous. And that's what I want for all of us. Like please bring all of your color Yeah. And all of your scent and all of your beauty and all of your messiness 

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. 

Tara Sullivan: To the table, because that's real. And that's what's going to make us great. Not limiting us. 

Kylie Patchett: No, exactly. It's such a, um, I've never been so bloody clear on like, my original, original love of genetics was all around individuation.

Kylie Patchett: Like the magic that is every single individual human never gonna have another, you never have talk about that all the time. But then I, it's not until just recently, and it seems like obvious now I'm saying it out loud, but it's not until just recently that I've realized that the whole point of the machine.

Kylie Patchett: Is to make us one beige, very easy to [00:42:00] manipulate, docile, obedient, homogenous mush that doesn't think or lead or feel or have any external, like, um, sorry, internal connection to their wisdom and connection to their own power and sovereignty and right to choose and all of those things. And I think too, the, the ripple that keeps on coming back to me is I, I feel like the pendulum swing is going to be centered around individualism.

Kylie Patchett: And I don't mean that in a negative way. I don't mean fuck you, every man for himself or every woman for himself or whatever. What I mean is celebrating the differences and needing all of, yeah, every single color and chaos in the bouquet and to like, like, I don't know. Um, I feel like a theme for me this year is like downgrading the expectations I have of myself and because.

Kylie Patchett: It's the expectations that the internal oppressor has of me. Not the, not the authentic self, not the I am inside [00:43:00] of me. It's just, , all of that external stuff. So I'm like, how can we allow ourselves to be fully in the magic and the mess and all of the things like, , that's, we always talk about in, in the circles that I have is like every single emotion, every single state of being, every single phase of you, every single whatever.

Kylie Patchett: Like, you do not have to turn up in a particular way. You're welcome. The, the only rule really is don't spew anything on anyone else, which, , but I think coming back to you saying about like the, um, Kavanaugh end of things and the, to me it is not just about taking your power back, but it's actually being in community with women who are having the conversations without 'cause.

Kylie Patchett: The most hideous thing I saw in all of the political landscape, particularly around election time. And I know. It is of course continuing, but I have disconnected from the news 'cause I'm like, I just cannot. But it was that horrible, [00:44:00] you are a bad person because your view does not align with my like that.

Kylie Patchett: And I'm just like, we, you can't have that opinion of other people without doing damage to yourself. Like you, you can't do it outwardly and not be doing it internally. So how do we like loosen all of that up? But when you're talking about community around the Kavanaugh thing, it's like having community, and I would say for all individuals, but particularly women, where you can talk about things that you maybe have not spoken about before or need to just get external to voice process and come to even what you are feeling about it.

Kylie Patchett: Because I think that extremism, it's like pick a camp and it's like I'm an individual human and there's lots of nuances about how I think and feel about lots of different things. And to have communities like what you have with Cove and what you're creating online, where people are welcome to come as they are with whatever opinion that they have.[00:45:00] 

Kylie Patchett: And exactly like you said, yes, I may not agree necessarily, and that may not be my choice, but I'm not gonna make you the enemy if you don't align a thousand percent, because then that's just more oppression. Like, we're just creating more of the same.

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