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Know Ya Flow
Hannah's Journey of Salon Ownership, Finding Spirituality, and Doing It Her Own Way
This episode is with my bestie, sister, co owner, life journeying partner (lol), Hannah Lawson on the podcast. 🎉
(check out the first episode ever of know ya flow it's an interview with her and her partner Colton)
We have worked in three salons together. We did yoga teacher training together and we have traveled together on multiple retreats.
She is the yin to my yang, I am so grateful to have her in my life. ☯️
We respect each other and we share a lot of the same values, but in a lot of ways we are different.
Listen in to hear our story as friends and business partners.
In this episode we talk about…..
- What has made our relationship as friends and business partners work
- Hannah’s strengths and intentions as a yoga teacher and hairstylist
- Maintaining boundaries without being a dick 🤷
- How Yoga changed our lives in sooo many ways and perspectives
- The differences between us, our energy and capacities
- The way she views work life balance and success.
Hannah's journey underscores the significance of supportive communities, redefining partnership dynamics, and ultimately embracing the simple joys in life over the pursuit of professional accolades.
You can find Hannah on instagram @hairbyhannahlawson
Welcome to Know your Flow podcast, where women in flow share what they know. I'm your host, lauren Barton. Join me as we talk to women and hear their stories on what they know, how they've grown and living in flow all right. Today we're here with hannah hi, hannah, hello, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1:We appreciate it, me and the listeners oh, yes, of course happy to be here well, we don't really know where we're going to go with this, but I got some questions up my sleeve, so all right. So, hannah, you are the co-owner of Daydream Studios in Winchester Virginia. You are also a 200-hour yoga teacher training yes, or yoga teacher yes, and you teach paddleboard yoga yes, and you have four cats and a dog Yep, and a husband named Colton and Pisces Enneagram five, what else?
Speaker 2:Yeah, hairstylist. Yeah, those seem like all of my identities or labels.
Speaker 1:I would say yeah, I would say so. How do you feel about having your?
Speaker 2:own salon. Wow, that's interesting. I mean, I feel like I never necessarily I don't want to say I didn't dream of having a salon, but I definitely didn't dream of doing it, probably right now. But now that we have it, I love it and I think that it's. It almost feels like when I bought my house. It's just that relief of knowing like, okay, this is ours, I don't have to deal with landlords, I don't have to deal with working with other people that maybe I don't vibe with, or it just is a sense of relief. I feel like more than it has been stressful and I thought that it would be way more stressful than it has been, I would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I feel like it's been good, better than I expected.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, because how do you normally make decisions in your life or how do things normally unfold? Because backstory with our salon or whatever we basically were just sort of told in August hey, we're selling your salon, and so then by what November we had a new space figured out and into. So yeah, so we didn't really like want to have a salon per se. It wasn't like we were planning. It Is that how most of your things work.
Speaker 2:They kind of unfold, or I feel like I've always had specific things that I wanted to do that I'm like, okay, this is something that I guess like a goal like I always have a goal but I'm never too attached to it. But I feel like the salon thing was never a goal because I felt like it would require so much work and dealing with a lot of people, probably, versus like just doing hair, it was just me and I could control that. I feel like I am pretty impulsive with things that I can control the outcome, but with the salon it felt like a lot of things were out of my controls but I guess it ended up being impulsive because we were just like fuck it, I guess we'll just sign the lease yeah, no, I know
Speaker 2:like I don't. I feel like once I commit, I'm like, okay, I'm committed, I'm doing it. I didn't really have a lot of anxiety around the salon. It was more just like I was just annoyed at the situation for a long time, like just kind of dude, I don't feel like doing this whatever, although I want it. I don't feel like doing this whatever, although I want it. I don't feel like doing this right now. But then in hindsight it ended up being perfect timing and everything. But yeah, I don't know. I would say normally I make decisions either super impulsively or because I do think I trust myself and my decision making. So that lets me be impulsive, like I kind of trust that I'm not going to fuck myself over. Do you overthink?
Speaker 1:or do you not really overthink? Not really. I don't see you as somebody who overthinks, no, like I.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, it's weird because I I guess some. No, not really. I'm trying to think like, what do I?
Speaker 1:overthink not really what stresses you out in my day-to-day life, probably day-to-day life or in general, if you can think on like, okay, this is a thing that I have had to work on because it stresses me out or things that easily it's. I gotta stop doing that because that doesn't really serve me. Maybe.
Speaker 2:I think I think relationships with other people is probably the most stressful thing yeah my life and no one would even know that, the people that I have relationships with. I think because I'm pretty passive and can kind of internalize things and in my head so much that it's hard for me sometimes to outwardly share things with people in my life that are bothering me Not with Colton at all, but with other people in my life I think I will internalize stuff and then what?
Speaker 1:happens after a while. Do you just get over it? Do you work through it all, internalize it, or do you hold are hold? Are you a grudge holder?
Speaker 2:no, I don't want to say I hold grudges, but I do feel a lot of guilt sometimes if I'm thinking all these thoughts about someone and then I can't get it out and talk to them in a healthy way about it and then I just kind of try to let it go and move on. But it takes a lot for me to actually have hard conversations. I feel like, and I feel like that's like a learned behavior, probably from my parents, which love you guys so much. If you're listening, they would agree.
Speaker 2:They would definitely agree, yeah, so yeah, just like not having tough conversations a lot growing up, I think now everything feels confrontational, even when it shouldn't be. That's a really good point.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of people feel that way and I think that having hard conversations but really clear is kind at the end of the day. But it is that doesn't. That's not really helpful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely don't hold grudges, but I would just like distance myself if I feel like someone is stressing me out. I don't know if that's the right word, but if there's things that someone's doing and I'm just like, oh God that's annoying me. I will never tell them, I'll just kind of distance myself, which is not cool to do and it's not good for.
Speaker 1:Like friendships, yeah, exactly um, especially if that person doesn't understand that I'm doing that right exactly, but you lead a pretty stress-free life, though, like you even said it, I remember you saying that in Sedona, at the retreat that you were. I don't know if this is what you were saying. This is what I remember it as I remember you sort of being Sedona at the retreat that you were. I don't know if this is what you were saying, but this is what I remember it as I remember you sort of being like my life's pretty lush, basically I'm able to just chill.
Speaker 1:So this was kind of nice to get me outside of that, and sort of you know, because I feel like you have to kind of force yourself to do things outside of your comfort zone, or else you would be a hermit.
Speaker 2:I think my go-to is. Two is being a hater about shit like I. Like me and Colton are both like the biggest fucking haters and it's so annoying because I don't want to be. But if it's outside of my comfort zone, instead of sometimes which I have been working on it over years of yoga and whatever I'll just be what is wrong with that person? Like judgy kind of like that, instead of being open, which pretty annoying. So I think that when I do get out of my comfort zone I am proud of myself. I do think that even just getting the dog I think a lot of it is I just love feeling, which I guess everyone does, but I just love feeling chill and having a lot of my own space and feeling calm. And then I feel like when I start to do things out of my comfort zone, it I don't know, like that feeling when your nervous system just feels like hot and you feel like weird, like I just hate that. I mean, I guess everyone does, I guess.
Speaker 1:I don't know, though. I mean, I think that you and I are different in the fact that I feel like I have something I almost have like an engine that is like running, that needs to be ran, or else I'll feel miserable If I were to chill on the degree that you chill.
Speaker 1:I think that I would probably feel depressed, yeah, or my thoughts would be racing. So much because I asked if you overthink, I probably I overthink a lot of things, of random shit. My mind is always going, so I think I would probably feel weird, or maybe I think I would feel weird and I actually wouldn't feel weird and I would like it, but I do feel there's like something in me that needs to be burned off, almost.
Speaker 2:I do feel like I have a lot of physical energy, yeah, but mentally right now any very different enneagram stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as a five, like the mental energy is very low, very low, which is why I love yoga and which is why doing hair makes me miserable sometimes, because of how much energy that takes yeah, and I think that's probably if we're relating it to the enneagrams of why I am very cautious with relationships and friendships, because it's always this question of is this worth my energy, is this worth potentially having someone draining my energy? And it's not even a conscious thing. I don't think no because I don't think I ever realized I was doing that until like the Enneagram yeah, which is huge to learn that really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it does make sense.
Speaker 2:It makes so much sense of how my whole childhood life like everything went, when I think about it in that way because if a relationship, let's say that you have somebody and they're like trying to be your friend and they're like really, really wanting to be your friend, which is funny, it's just funny really wanting to be your friend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know what that would look like, but so let's say they're like, really want to be your friend. I guess you can, probably. I guess this is why this we're laughing is because, first off, that would never happen, because you would be able to tell right from jump street that person's really trying to be my friend, it's like when a dog is jumping on you and you're like get off of me.
Speaker 1:I know you love me and you want attention, but get away yeah, so never mind, that's not even a valid question, because I was gonna be like well, what would you do? Yeah, you would just know. You know immediately if they're gonna want too much of your attention. Like you don't really get bamboozled.
Speaker 2:No, okay, that's the other thing I was going to say is that I feel like I something that is good about that is, I see, very clearly I'm not saying that I know people from just like a few interactions at all, but I can base on people's energy. I feel like I can generally tell this is not going to be good if I let this person in almost immediately. I can tell and I don't even know what it is, and I'm sure most people are like that, but I definitely see things very cut and dry. Oh, I don't know like that feeling I just got from that and it sounds so mean but I don't act mean to them.
Speaker 2:No, no, no no, like I would be very nice and stuff I just wouldn't make a huge effort to like well, you wouldn't want to like lead them on?
Speaker 1:yeah, because you're basically like I'm not gonna have what you think I have yeah, I don't have it.
Speaker 2:I always wonder too, if I had a different job, if that would be different, if I was more desperate for social interaction. I always think, if I stopped doing hair and was a stay-at-home mom, how my personality would be different, because I do think then I would want more friendships to where we're doing stuff together and things like that. But I think after being at work four days a week on the weekends, I just like don't even understand how I could have more social interaction seriously, though I think yeah, I think, if I had a different work situation, it would be different.
Speaker 2:I was younger, I had a lot, I mean, I guess it's different, though, when you're younger, because I've just been doing this for so long that I don't even know what it would be like to be young, 18, 19, 20, and just not have this job and have a lot more energy and like social battery, like I never really got that. I was a teenager. Being a teenager is just all social for everyone.
Speaker 1:So it doesn't really. I think it's good balance, though. Really, really, when you break it down although it's a little much, yeah, sometimes probably like it's a little much in terms of the social interaction I do feel like it probably is a really good balance because you get to do that and then you don't have to feel guilty either about, oh, I am not naturally super social, because if you worked at home or like a stay-at-home mom, then there would be the whole effort of, oh shit, I don't have any quote-unquote friendships, but now I have to make extra efforts. But I guess, because I was gonna ask too do you think that if that were the case, you would be doing one-on-one stuff or more group stuff? Do you think you would be going?
Speaker 2:to more group because I think the intimacy of like one-on-one stuff sometimes is hard for me. So so, yeah, I mean group stuff is great because then you don't have to be the center of attention or be talking the whole time. And I like hearing you know everyone's yoga stuff, like I think that's cool and interesting and that never really drains me. I think it is the one-on-one, which is probably why, yeah, like I think doing hair is, I think the four days a week has made it a lot more manageable.
Speaker 2:You could never do it for real like that would be way too much yeah, I think four days a week is the sweet spot of by the end of the week my social battery is I'm like, okay, I need my day on Saturday to recharge and then I feel like good again by Sunday. But I think if I was five days a week it would be like for anyone doing yeah, five days a week, though I mean, I don't understand how you can do that for 30 years.
Speaker 2:I don't either. It's crazy, though I don't get it.
Speaker 1:I guess you just really love money yeah and the hustle, your engine's really going yeah, talk about an engine.
Speaker 2:You got a big old engine.
Speaker 1:Oh, how do you feel about having boundaries with people and push back from that, because I feel like you have probably had, you've had boundaries since? Did you have to learn that you had to, like, start saying and sticking up for yourself, because in my eyes, you're the queen of boundaries without trying, you're not going around being like yeah guys, I just recently learned that I was a people pleaser and now I have boundaries. You never were in the first place, but I guess it all goes back to to conserving energy thing. It's like you don't really have a choice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, If you want a good life. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever felt like I was a people pleaser.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I don't ever remember feeling like, oh, I got really taken advantage of, or I guess sometimes it just naturally occurs in life. People will do so, especially being a business, but I feel like I'm pretty good about not. I don't feel like that's that hard for me. I feel like it would be that what's hard for me is softening the boundaries when it's appropriate. Is hard, that would be hard because you don't want to see I do feel better. There are certain people that and I feel like over the past year or two it's gotten better of like even, let's say, clients, that we would be friends if there wasn't this dynamic of like I'm your hairstylist, whatever. I used to feel and I think part of it's probably just the industry, how they. It kind of is ingrained in you to like be professional and be whatever. But I do feel like I've gotten better about even just texting people that I know are like safe and cool and aren't gonna like overstep like I used to be.
Speaker 2:You can't even have my phone number, that's like don't ever text me yeah, but now I feel like I've gotten more chill with that and that's fine and that's been good. But yeah, I always kind of admired people that were just like even like your personality, that are just like freely open to that kind of stuff. But I also see how that backfires sometimes too, so I don't know. I think, as long as I'm in a healthy place, it's all good, because your problem is, yeah, is softening, whereas a lot of women's problem is that they don't have any.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, but it's really funny because I don't. You're so, you're such. Yeah, that's such a different thing because I don't see you as somebody who is like super masculine and has these firm, hard boundaries. So I feel like you kind of have balance with that, because you were saying earlier, even if I meet somebody and maybe I'm not going to be their best friend or giving them what they want. I'm still very nice, gentle patient.
Speaker 1:They're not going to know that that's what I'm doing because you kind of have more of this feminine sort of way of being plus boundaries together and I think that everybody's kind of worried oh, have boundaries, then I'm gonna seem mean, yeah, all these things. So I think you do a really good job of having boundaries but not being an asshole yeah, really and just naturally.
Speaker 2:I think I just have. That is part, just part of my personality. I think I am I mean, I think everyone's empathetic, but I, I am, like, super sensitive, especially being a Pisces, you know that whole thing really sensitive to people's energy, to everything, crying all the time about everything. So I think that works in my favor. I do just wonder, though, if the boundary thing is because of the work that I do, if I did other, how it would be. You know what I mean if I didn't work with people.
Speaker 2:Would I still have to be like that?
Speaker 1:oh, that's a good question like I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like maybe not, because, yeah, you really have to make sure that, in order to conserve your energy and in order to not be miserable, that they aren't overstepping things that aren't comfortable because, like you, literally don't have capacity. Talk about not having capacity like if you're gonna work with people there. These have to be in place in order for me to be here with you and doing this stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know that's true. It probably is just a five thing, yeah exactly. Which is funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you like the actual work of being a hairdresser?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like physically doing hair. Yeah, yeah, I do. I think that it's creative but not frustrating really to me, because I think a lot of creative people that have jobs you're like a true artist, where you're like making things you know paintings, whatever I can see that being like frustrating, but I think hair it's like it's a skill, I think, more than anything, or like a learned trade or whatever. So I feel like that, mixed with being naturally creative, is very satisfying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's not just all creative, it's a mix of both yeah, it was like structure and yeah, there are rules yeah but also, you know, you have to have good taste and whatnot to be good at it. Good taste is huge. Yeah, I feel like that's a huge one. People are always like I'm not creative so I couldn't do hair. I'm like, no, you actually just have to like, have good style and good taste and know what looks good yeah, you don't have to be a literal artist, no, it's a really good point because that's really all it is yeah, it's being able to look at something and that looks like shit versus that looks
Speaker 2:expensive yeah, or that looks nice or that goes with your vibe as a human.
Speaker 1:It's really interesting, because that thing that you had where, like I can tell, like right away, people's like energy and stuff. Yeah, I feel like I kind of have that too and I wonder if that also goes into having good taste and knowing thing or two about just I know what you're gonna like yeah, based off of yeah even just like your bag that you brought with you or whatever little things like that exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's so many things with with clients that you could go into, but you can tell when someone means what they say, versus when they're like scared to do something and when you should like dial it back or when you should do exactly what they're saying. That kind of stuff I feel like also. I know it's a whole having intuition as a hairstylist, I think if you don't have that like, you're pretty fucked yeah, seriously, though.
Speaker 1:And if you don't know how, yeah, like, you're pretty fucked. Yeah, seriously, though. And if you don't know how, yeah, like how to decipher what people are really saying, which obviously takes time, for sure, that's true, but once you get that confidence, and confidence, you don't have the confidence to say, eh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's hard, but if you can see patterns within people and within things, and I think that just comes, yeah, that's the part too that comes with the experience you don't have. Maybe you have that skill and that intuition, but you haven't seen the patterns enough to know, okay, if I do this, that person's not that's that type of person's not gonna like that. And yeah, she's saying this, which is what that other person said, so maybe I should make sure yeah, it's so true, all that.
Speaker 1:I really do also see the correlation. Even though sometimes it's kind of cheesy, I do think that sometimes a natural progression of hairstylists of we've never talked about this before, of where they go from hairstylists to doing some sort of like a coaching thing yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense really, because, especially if they were successful, some of it I think is very grabby and they don't want to actually be standing on their feet anymore and they don't want to be doing it.
Speaker 1:They want to have a cheesy online business, whatever, but I can see how it's like you start helping people and listening and hearing stories and then, all of a sudden, you're like wait, I can see a need in people, that they need someone to listen to them. So then, like. The next natural thing is, you know, teaching yoga or coaching or healing in some way or whatever.
Speaker 2:I do feel, though it's interesting because I do see that, but also I've never been the type of person that felt like I feel called to help people, so I don't really feel that a lot.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:I love talking to people and hearing stuff and whatever, but a lot of times I'm not. I know what you're saying, like I don't always feel a pull to do more than I'm already doing with people. You know what I mean. Yeah, but then people would say but you teach yoga? Yeah, that's different.
Speaker 1:That's structured yeah, you know what I mean. Like, that's like a very and it's a physical activity also. Yeah, so then explain your role as a yoga teacher in your mind of what for you personally? Because everybody would say probably something.
Speaker 2:I think that it was hard at the beginning because I think there was a lot of pressure. To feel kind of like what you're saying, I'm like a guide or I'm whatever, which I feel like is, was hard for me because I didn't always feel, especially because, being so young after I did my training, I'm who the hell am I to tell these people stuff? You know what I mean? I'm like as old as their kids. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Like there's this weird complex with that which I know is not entirely true or accurate, but Well, that's okay.
Speaker 1:Well, this is funny because I was actually before we went into this last thing and that was my next question was how do you feel about the you're so young comment? Because that you probably you've been getting that since what?
Speaker 2:the whole time forever everything I feel like I've ever. I mean, yeah, because I started hair school.
Speaker 1:I've always everything I've done since graduating high school I've been the youngest any type of schooling or learning or whatever yeah because, if you put the stats on it, you graduated hair school at 19, got your license when I was 19 19, so you were a licensed hairdresser. Then you moved out of your parents house, had your condo with Colton 21, had your own business like your own business license, and we're getting your own money and we're own boss. At what age?
Speaker 2:probably, I would say by 2019. So I was 20 or 21, I guess, yeah, so 21.
Speaker 1:You had a condo with your boyfriend and your own business and were your own car like everything.
Speaker 2:You could be half so you've been with no help from my parents, other than they paid for half of my hair school. Never like money from them or anything yeah, ever.
Speaker 1:So, with that being said, you've been getting the. You're so young thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah which is like it's interesting. It depends on who says it. What types of like context does it come under? I feel like people do it when, say, when they're insecure and trying to be not always, but a lot of people that I know are kind of weird and insecure will say that to me as a way to assert themselves, almost like subconscious dominance thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wait, dominance is a dumb word to use, but like, well, you're just a baby, like you don't know shit, that kind of stuff. It's like, well, I know 50 year old women who have, you know whatever. All these issues that I've already worked through as a 25 year old, not trying to be like that, but you know what I mean but also why should I not own?
Speaker 1:why should you not own that? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't. Do you mean being young?
Speaker 1:no, like the even saying I've worked through shit that you haven't worked through. I don't know what their journey looks like.
Speaker 2:That that's like the wrong way to say but basically to say like if I'm being sassy, it's like that's kind of how I feel, yeah, yeah exactly and and like there's nothing wrong with that if I see more stable and put together, we all have different journeys.
Speaker 1:It's fine and it's fine.
Speaker 2:I don't feel threatened by anyone's whatever, but I do think people maybe, like I said, if they feel insecure or whatever, and then I don't know like weird, yeah, people make weird comments like that.
Speaker 1:I don't really get it.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because I never think when I have, you know, even like clients that are like 18, whatever, I would never say stuff like that. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, exactly Because the only time you would tell somebody that I would be like, oh well, you're young is because I'm like don't worry, yeah, like it's going to be fine, you have time, it's all good, you don't know anything, yeah Right, oh well yeah, even if you think that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's back to the thing of I don't care what you do, I don't feel attachment to your actions, you're on your own path, you'll figure it out. That's just kind of how I view people. I'm just like you got it. And back to the yoga thing. I think that that it's just like well one.
Speaker 2:I like the physical. The physical practice of yoga helped me a lot because I played sports my whole life in a very rigid way and I think that yoga was like an outlet to move my body without the rigidness. But then with that, then you know, you come for the physical practice and, as our teachers always say, then you stay for the other stuff, which helps more than the physical practice eventually. But teaching yoga, I do just like the physical practice of yoga, I like teaching it, I like putting together, I like the body, I like the anatomy, I like seeing people adjusting to queuing. I think it's interesting. But also I think that because my personality is generally calm, I think that it's easy for me to hold a calm space for people to figure shit out themselves. I don't feel like I'm really guiding them, that I don't feel like I need to do that much for them. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like it's my place to.
Speaker 2:I'm not like a guru, I never want to be that. You know what I mean. Yeah, exactly, whereas I think, like some people start teaching yoga and they really do have this gift and this whatever, and they can really take it deep and our teachers like yeah, I don't want to be that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you're not going to be that. Yeah, like you're not going to be infusing little lessons in with them.
Speaker 2:I just, it's just not my personality to think that I know something. I guess I don't think that teachers do this, but if I tried to do that, it would be not authentic to me, because I really don't want to get that deep with what you have going on in your life, because it's your life and your journey and I'm just here to teach a class for an hour and hopefully you feel better when you leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And that's like a very cut and dry way of putting it. I do love the energy exchange between people in the studio and I do think it's just makes me feel better selfishly as a person when I leave there. Like, I do love how I feel and I love talking to people about yoga and stuff, but I again, and I love talking to people about yoga and stuff, but I again, with the boundary thing, I never wanted to be a super deep relationship with all of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly because that starts to feel like unsafe to me of oh, now like almost, uh, you know clients texting you at 10 pm situation yeah, I just know I can't hold that intense amount of space for people and I do think there are a lot of people who are capable of doing that and who like to do that and they feel called to do that. I don't know if that is something I will want to do with my life.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't dream of doing that, maybe when I get older, if I really feel like I have something to offer. Right now I don't really feel like that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly, and to be able to keep it just as like doing hair, showing up, doing a job it just.
Speaker 2:I just don't like when things start to feel like super intense and complicated and I think that stuff can get really intense and complicated and kind of messy and that like freaks me out.
Speaker 1:yeah, exactly like the supporting other people and doing all that mumbo jumbo, just for the sake of.
Speaker 2:I guess, if you feel called to do it, it doesn't feel intense and complicated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if you're like bullshitting.
Speaker 2:I guess this is the next step of being a yoga teacher or whatever. Right, exactly that's when it starts to feel like kind of weird to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think with yoga it's hard because that is a lot of it, the non-physical stuff, but also there's only so much you can do with an hour yeah, exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, exact, to where it doesn't yeah work like that yeah, and then it's a lot of.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe I should be doing that if I want to be a good yoga teacher, or maybe I should want to go deeper with people, or maybe I should. But then I'm like I don't know, but I just don't know, that's just it. You know what I mean, right now, in this time in my life, and what I'm doing. I don't feel like I'm at that point. I feel like I'm building my family, building my career, building my house. I don't feel like I have a lot to give to other people right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly In my life, maybe when I'm you know, maybe not so yeah, I don so much, though, because I think that it's really funny, because it really just highlights how different you and I are, which is really funny. Yeah, so why do you feel like we have been able to number one? Because we've been together since what? 2017, 28. When did you graduate high school? 2017. Yeah, that's like seven years. Yeah, about like six or seven years. So why do you think it works? Do you think because we're so different?
Speaker 2:I think because, probably because we respect each other and our differences and don't, and we're both healthy people, so we don't feel like intimidated. Or I guess too, probably because we did teacher training together and we've had the same experiences in a lot of ways. Yeah, maybe, like I guess, just because we did teacher training together and we've had the same experiences in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, like, I guess, just because we're generally like healthy people, yeah, and we don't really have like attachment to what each other's doing and, yeah, like we bow, like with work stuff, it's very balanced, yeah, and I think, because I think you have more capacity to get shit done than I do, right, I would say so, yeah, are you like you said, your engine's running?
Speaker 1:and mine's not most of the time.
Speaker 2:Yours is cool and mine's, yeah, stalled out whatever. That's stupid, but yeah, I feel like you like get stuff done and I can kind of I don't know whatever else like.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, I don't know in terms of when the salon, we were doing the salon stuff. That was funny because, yeah, I feel like I was okay, let's go, let's do this, let's do that, and then you'd be like all right, well, yeah, let's like pause and like do we need all of that? And I do see what you're saying here.
Speaker 2:But maybe not. I also like never was like annoyed with you, like I would just laugh and be like yeah, this is Lauren, she wants to do x, y and z and I'm eh, maybe not, yeah, maybe not, yeah, I don't know that I think that I am cautious because I do know I'm like all right, do not burn Hannah out here on any of this shit.
Speaker 1:And I also know that you'll have boundaries, but I don't want you to have to use your boundaries. I feel like sometimes like, oh, I don't want her to put her in a position to where she has to be like bro, no, or stop.
Speaker 2:I don't think you ever be like that, though Well, you never know. But I don't know what would have to happen.
Speaker 1:Well, with the salon stuff of like okay, what do you think about this? Should we spend money on this, especially when money's involved and efforts are involved? Neither of money's involved and efforts are involved. Neither of us knew what the fuck we were doing. Yeah, really, we're just like doing our best. The most exhausting part of all that for me was and I would say this, and I'll say this all the time was that every single thing we had to do, I didn't know what I was doing, so it was exhausting every single time. You know how you can normally like procrastinate. Well, I don't really know who to call for that, so I'm just not going to. Yeah, this was like no, you have to figure it out right now.
Speaker 2:Right now, or else no, I know, and it's also just the money portion, but it almost got to a point. I feel like, at least for me, where I was, just I don't know, just take all my money. I guess like it just costs so much like I don't even care. At this point I know like I was like disassociated yeah, money just flowing away.
Speaker 1:Hopefully it comes back. In some way it It'll come back. Help us out Corey Seymour at Edward Jones.
Speaker 2:But really, though that's so true, that was so frustrating and I feel like people. That's why it's funny when they're like you know, oh, you own a salon, whatever. I don't think most people who have businesses that they like started ever knew what was going on when they started it, right? Yeah, I mean you, unless you hired someone to do it for you, like I really don't know how you would do it any other way then just roll with it like all right. I guess we're figuring it out.
Speaker 1:I guess, if you have more time than we had, well yeah, I guess, because I mean we didn't say, oh, we want to have a salon, and then started planning out things which I almost feel like would have been worse, because I think I would have added way too many steps, way too many complications and I probably would have like freaked out and yeah, not done it or been getting way too many quotes or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:I think I agree, I think the you know. Back to what you're talking about, yeah, I think like the experiences of yoga and having all those same like people and ways to regulate ourselves is has been helpful in the same like community of that, at one point heistley was like she was like who's your best friend, caroline or hannah, and I was well hannah's more like my life partner this is so funny because it is.
Speaker 1:It's like the business, the life stuff, the stable person that like is there, knows your life and knows you, but there's no having to do shit together. Yeah, and I don't. I wonder if people think that we hang out.
Speaker 2:I would assume they we hang out 40 hours a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we hang out in this break room, in these love sacks in between clients.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I also like to circle back to the yoga thing. I don't want to sound like I'm being a dick about the oh, I don't think I have stuff to offer a dick about the. Oh, I don't think I have stuff to offer that type of thing, if I'm being completely honest and I'm PMSing. But besides that, that's just how I view it at this point and I used to feel a lot of guilt about that, but I guess I shouldn't like I don't know, like I don't want to sound harsh and whatever about that.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't take it like that and I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't know if other people will. Honestly, it made me feel a little bit better, because sometimes I'm on the opposite. Where I'm, why do I always have to be like thinking that I need to like help and create things and be and I don't know if that's what you're apologizing for is not having the feeling of that? But I'm on the opposite, where, before I launch anything, sometimes I will be really upset, like crying to Billy or crying to whatever, like I don't even want to be doing this, but I do because, like, I don't have another choice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I feel, like I have to be doing it because I feel like that's sort of my mission is to help in some way, and so I'm like is everybody like this? Why am I like this? Why do I have to do this? I don't want to be doing this really.
Speaker 1:I would love to just be chilling and not have this thing that makes me feel like I have to do things yeah so to hear you be like no, I don't feel that way kind of validates me a little bit, because I'm like oh, that is like a unique thing yeah, I'm not just like creating shit to do, because sometimes I worry that I'm creating stuff in my life to like do for some I don't know reason.
Speaker 2:So to hear that no, some people are just chilling and happy and don't have that, and if you were acting like you did, then that would be inauthentic and not good because I think after teacher training I was starting to act like that and it made me feel so anxious because I'm like this isn't true to me in this time of my life. I want to teach yoga because I love the practice and I like sharing it, but I don't need it to be deeper than what it is when I leave the studio.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? Yeah, but that feels really simple and nice. I guess other people are like that too.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't know. I mean, I think of like our friends that are yoga teachers, and I feel like some people are more all into it emotionally and everything, and some people are just very much like this is what I have to offer. Today. I'm going home, which, as somebody who I don't know for yoga.
Speaker 1:I feel like I can be a little bit like that.
Speaker 2:This is what I have to offer today, and then I'm going home yeah.
Speaker 1:I also think you learned that too, with doing hair too is kind of like okay, this is what, it's just different than what you're talking about though, because for that it's like this is what I'm going to create. I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 2:All I can do is the best that I can, and then I'm going to roll.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, needing it to be this like deep spiritual or deep thing, because your journey with spirituality is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, yeah, so brief synopsis. I grew up, my grandparents were, my granddad was a preacher at like a Methodist church, so we grew up going to church every weekend. My parents did not go. My parents had I don't know what was going on internally with them, but on the outward, like no spirituality that was ever discussed in my house None, no Christianity, or it just like wasn't a conversation. So I would go to church with my grandparents and my grandma was just like crazy, like she was the best. She was just like crazy, extreme, just crazy person, and so I would hear all this stuff on the weekend and then you go home and your parents are basically just eh, that's wild, that's not true. And then you're like, oh, okay, so then it's like this weird thing. And then I was just kind of thought that it was never even a thought in my brain that spirituality, like I didn't even know it was a thing people did, or I had no idea until like when?
Speaker 2:until I started going to yoga no I had no idea, like it was never even something that I thought about, had any concepts of. What was your thought like? Okay, so when you died, what'd you think? I just didn't care. I was like I guess you just die with zero anxiety about it too, like I did not care. I was like, I mean, I guess like I hope like heaven is real. Yeah, like when my grandma died I remember thinking like she'll go to heaven if it's real. But I don't know if I. I guess I would. I don't know. I guess, right before I die, I'll get saved. That's what she'd always tell me. I hope you get saved.
Speaker 1:You know that whole thing yeah, yeah, yeah, which is so cute, but I'm like yeah, I had no anxiety, and my sister's the same way.
Speaker 2:We were both just like, yeah, yeah, I don't know, because it was never a conversation ever, yeah, ever in my house that I can remember. So then, yeah, I started going to yoga and I think that's why yoga helped me a lot, because before that I was very just I don't know what the word would be like. Colton always says, like when I started going to yoga, that I my personality changed for the better. She's always like you just came alive in a way that I didn't see, and I became more open and more yeah, because I guess you were kind of like shy.
Speaker 1:You were shy, but yet you could tell that you were. You weren't like weird? Yeah, yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's hard because I don't think I haven't thought about that in a long time, but I always thought religion and stuff was interesting, though I never was like that's bullshit. I thought it was interesting, I just didn't feel connected to it. I think I was always like, ooh, like I remember being 17 and being like I'm, and then from there it just goes on from there. So I do feel I was talking to Stephanie at the retreat and she was maybe you're protective of like teaching because you hold your personal practice and all of that so sacred to you that you don't want to get burnout on teaching to others and like have it affect your practice. And I do think about that a lot. If that's why because I'm finally at this place spiritually where I feel really good and I don't want to get burnt out in a weird way, like with yoga yeah yeah, I do feel like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just weird to think about like going so long having no like deeper connection to anything, just like living life.
Speaker 1:Yeah kind of crazy. Yeah, how do you think that yoga like bridged that?
Speaker 2:gap, I guess just taking time and having space to feel like subtle things, like energy, and giving yourself space to have those experiences Because I think if you don't give yourself space, you never even have the opportunity to and yeah, but I never even knew that like you could give yourself space to feel these things or if that should even be like something you should prioritize in your life, you know, like how to feel those and what things are we talking about?
Speaker 1:yeah, so would you say that it was kind of moment started like happening to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like weird little things would happen where I was like oh, wow, that's like a crazy feeling. Or you're in shavasana and you're like oh, my god, that was wild. Or you're doing a meditation and you just feel like something that you can't describe and then you're like oh, I guess that's like what everyone's been talking about and then I just you know piles on from there and then you get better at practicing it and the more you practice it, more you feel stuff.
Speaker 2:And I just think it's yeah, it's just a practice and everyone can do it, you just have to have space to try. But yeah, I feel like teacher training was huge for that. Yeah, like carving out a whole weekend every other month to just have that much space to tune into stuff, it was crazy it really is really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like looking back on it now, and that was like four years ago in september I know I think or three yeah four, four which is crazy to think about, but that really was like a life-changing scene and I think the people meeting people, because I had never met people like that before.
Speaker 2:If you grow up going to church, like you're exposed to people in church and then that's it. You're not exposed to like weird people that are like pushing boundaries and like talking about these things, that you're like, oh, that's kind of, but actually that kind of makes sense, you know, yeah, in that way.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I thought that hearing other people's stories and stuff in teacher training was cool, yeah, and like I really don't point because women that grow up, people, women, people that grow up going to church sometimes then have the negative things that can come with that, which can sometimes be like oversharing, or somebody took what you said and they exploited it or whatever. And then that makes them like resistance to try things like yoga, or resistant to their spirituality, so it's kind of cool that you came at it with like a blank slate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, blank slate and a healthy person.
Speaker 2:And it just made so much sense to me. Like it was very much like. Yes, this makes sense. Obviously, this is true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, come to mind.
Speaker 2:I think that there's not like the yamas and niyamas, for example, that it's like, yes, these are the things you should be doing, but there's no shame involved. That was always my problem with religion I guess not all. I don't know anything about other religions but Christianity. The shame portion is such bullshit to me, and the gaslighting and all of that that, like I know not everything is like that, but what I was exposed to was Like I know, not everything is like that, but what I was exposed to was and I think that with yoga philosophy it's not anything shameful, it's just you keep trying and you keep practicing, you get better, and it's very internal, not you have to do X, Y and Z externally to get this and then blah, blah, blah, blah, like I don't know, it's just there's not a lot of rules too with it. It's very fluid. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:It's just, there's not a lot of rules too with it.
Speaker 2:It's very fluid. Yeah, doesn't feel restrictive, like it's just something you can keep coming back to.
Speaker 1:Do you think that the amount of self-trust that you have was something that you were born with or that you've always kind of had a part of your personality, or do you think that it's something that you've had to work with or towards?
Speaker 2:I think my mom would probably say I was. I've like always been the same.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's being the oldest child, I don't know if it's being the first grandkid, and everything you do is great, you know. And then you're just like oh, I guess I'm great.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like that whole thing. Subconsciously, like I don't really know, I do feel like I've always, pretty much, yeah, from a young age probably had a clear vision of what I wanted to do with X, y and Z. Even my mom would always be like, yeah, you started dressing yourself when you were like two and I mean, I guess a lot of kids are like that, but it was like you had like a vision. If I even tried you would lose your mind. You were just very much, I'm going to do me. Yeah, like independent and stuff.
Speaker 2:Whereas I think my sister was not like that. Yeah, so I don't know if it's like a parenting thing or just a personality thing. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean you are a pretty unique person, I would say for sure, Really so funny, which is funny. And I would say too, just throughout this conversation I think it is cool just who you are, obviously, but you already know that. I mean I feel weird looking at you telling you this like to your face right now. But I know, but really, as your spirituality and just everything that you just talked about, like you're not trying to be woo woo at all, You're not woo woo so it's almost like you bring that aspect to a practice so that it can meet other people where they are. That doesn't resonate for them. They still have a space they can feel comfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which I think is what's important, and I think that it's true, really cool, that you don't abandon the way that you really are or compromise on those things, because then it's not fake and so it's able to resonate more with people. And it's able to because if people are just saying stuff, just to say things, or they're saying regurgitated stuff, or if they don't trust themselves, or if they haven't been on their own journey and they're just speaking, not from embodiment, then it's pointless, which is what you basically were saying. That you were kind of getting into, or thinking you had to do was like oh, I have to be this way to give this, or feeling guilty about it, even if sometimes, yeah, there's no need.
Speaker 2:I think the guilt like that is probably something I struggle with internalized, not shame, but yeah, like guilt for feeling certain ways about certain things, and I feel like one of the only communities too that I don't really feel like that in is at shine yeah never feel weird for sharing certain things, which is cool, and I feel like that helps build confidence. When you're around people who aren't being judgmental, when you say, yeah, this is how I see it and that's it, it's more like celebrated.
Speaker 1:I think yeah helpful my early 20s and whatever like doing teacher training yeah, exactly or when I was not even 19, 20, whatever, however old I was, yeah and your practice and your growth in spirituality, I would assume also probably has helped, like in your relationship too as well and how that, yeah, I think I was probably going down the path of being and again I'm literally I'm using my mom because I know she doesn't care that and she would agree with all of this.
Speaker 2:My mom had like a awakening when she was like 50 and started going to therapy and change her whole, like personality change, but before that she would consider herself a martyr vibe growing up and I think I was probably going down that route a little bit when me and Colton first got together, because that's just what was modeled and that's, you know, what you do when you're a teenager. You do do what your parents did or whatever, and I was probably like annoying to him at times with my expectations of what should be happening and what shouldn't be happening, whereas now, I mean, and there's growth on his end too, of course, but it's very non-attachment, it's very we like trust each other. I don't ever worry about anything that he's doing, ever I I mean not that he even gave me a reason to before, but I think it's just on my end the attachment like of hit from his actions like I don't feel I own him or anything.
Speaker 2:Maybe when you're younger you think you kind of are like in control of your partner or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly right, I don't feel anything. They're responsible for your feelings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're making you feel a certain way, or things like that yeah, like there's none of that which is good and yeah, I think he would. He probably appreciates that I don't like I let go of all things that used to annoy me, that just like stupid stuff, you know. Yeah, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just have an expectation of how it should go versus what you saw yeah, growing up and stuff, yeah, exactly and he likes like weird stuff, like like he's always been more into weird spirituality stuff than I was, even as like a teenager, probably from doing drugs, yeah, exactly he was always pretty open to like weirdness, and now that I think I am too, it's fun to about like we can have deeper conversations about stuff without someone getting annoyed or whatever, which is cool. Yeah, exactly To be on the same page with that kind of stuff, right, and not have one person being like I don't want to talk about that like stop.
Speaker 2:And then yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the other person being down. Yeah, it makes it more interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Probably. How do you feel like people over complicate their business, or how do you have any advice that you would give to somebody who has a business or wants to have their own business?
Speaker 2:I think the expectation that you put on yourself just from hair in general, I think the expectation that we put on ourselves is worse than, like, actually what clients are expecting from us. I would say people don't care about half the shit you think that they care about. They don't notice half the stuff you think they're going to notice. People don't care what hours you work. People don't care about all these things that you are up at night like, oh my god, if I stop working Saturdays, everything's gonna crumble. Yeah, like half the people probably don't even know what days you work, especially if they're only seeing you a few times a year, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like, get on vagaro and see what's available and make an appointment yeah, like I used to get so tripped up about, at least for the type of hair that, like we do you know, yeah, there's other stuff that I guess it's different, but I just think that people generally are going to be nicer and give you more grace than you think they're going to. So not being so hard on yourself about doing what you want to do with your business yeah. I feel like it was the hardest thing for me.
Speaker 2:That's a good yeah, that's a good one, though, because they really don't like people, yeah, they're just like happy to see you and they can see you and get their hair done yeah, I mean, at least that's how I would be for somebody. I guess that's how I would be too. Yeah, because yeah, if we're really like our ideal clients.
Speaker 1:I mean, I get that everybody acts differently and whatever, but I feel like, yeah, for the most part, I'll see you. When I see you, I'm happy to get my hair done if you're cool and nice and do a good job.
Speaker 2:and it isn't weird, it's not that complicated, but I guess that's easy for me to say, because I've never worked in a salon where I was conditioned to have to act a certain way, or I don't have any trauma from working at a commission salon like a lot of self-employed people do, and I had really good mentors working with you. Yeah, all the education that I was able to get right out of school, even going to a Paul Mitchell school I yeah, exactly helped. I was very lucky to have a very good start exactly I think that's a big one too.
Speaker 2:The education part yeah there is.
Speaker 1:I think if you want to get into hair guys just feel like you should go to a good school or else you're gonna have some weird habits, learn from yeah, yeah or learn from someone, person on the side that is genuinely your dream to work with even if I would have gone to the temple and I wouldn't have worked with you, I would not have had the same start so it's not really the school, I guess it's like both probably, yeah, yeah, ideally yeah both were good, though, because it gave you a little, because if it was just, I feel like if it would have just been me and then maybe like a shitty school, maybe you would have been like oh, is the grass green?
Speaker 1:should I see what's going on? Am I missing something? Yeah, whereas like with Paul Mitchell school, you're able to see okay, this is, and then you could see where people were getting jobs and what the vibe was, and you're like, oh, I don't know that is true, because if I wouldn't have gone to a good school, yeah, like the overachiever in me would have been like oh god, like you should have done x, y and z and then you lack confidence from that.
Speaker 2:You're overcompensating and all that stuff. But I don't know, business advice is hard, because I think it just depends on your personality too.
Speaker 1:I do too.
Speaker 2:Like what you want and what you want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that is such a good thing too is like what do you want your life to look like? And then basing all your decisions on that kind of yeah, or basing yeah especially like how you do your business.
Speaker 2:Because I think that in the beginning, I think most people you just want to make money and that's it, and you got to like build to make money and then, once you start making money for a few years, then I think you're kind of like okay, now, now what do I really need all this money? Or is maybe some of my time more valuable and I can kind of scale back and looking at your services like I don't know? I think just constantly evaluating and not being rigid and like stuck doing the same schedule, the same services, the same everything for 30 years, I mean it's crazy. Yeah, I guess some people do it, it's fine.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I wouldn't be able to do that. I would lose it yeah no, I know for sure.
Speaker 2:But it's hard because even when me and Colton talk about having kids, like for a while there was a huge resistance on my end of like. But I want money and I want my business and I want to be doing hair and the hustle and like the addiction to that. I don't want to stop doing what I'm doing because it feels satisfying to have your business and be feeling like you're doing really good. But then the more I like worked through that it's well what I'm just going to work for the rest of my life and that's just gonna be my legacy she did good hair and made and a lot of money in the bank, yeah like that's so weird like the
Speaker 1:hoarding of is that a five? Thing?
Speaker 2:yeah, exactly the hoarding of the resources resources yeah, but that was like a hard one, too, to like work through yeah thinking about that. Oh, what happens if I didn't have this?
Speaker 1:amount of money and then yeah, exactly, that's so true, that's hard. It is weird thinking about yeah, it is weird because I've been thinking about that too if I'm like oh, if I actually did have a coaching business that was successful and I worked from home or I could, you know, do hair less or something like that. I don't know, even not working Saturdays to me is so weird like I would never not do it, because I've been doing it since I was 18. Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a long time a long time.
Speaker 1:I mean I have Monday, tuesday, you know, sunday I still have three days off, but the Saturday routine of waking up, getting a coffee, going to work, and it's always a fun half day because it's like.
Speaker 2:It's like nine to two nine to three so I get off early and it's Saturday, yeah.
Speaker 1:I clean up everything and try to get it all done and it's a whole thing. You're here by yourself.
Speaker 2:So it's different yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a different thing, but yeah, like the identity of our routines. Like if I just didn't have a space to do hair, if I didn't have that routine, I would feel really weird. Yeah, sometimes it's like fun to think about, but it's really not I would feel weird. I think I would at least need to do it like two days. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the whole the kid thing and everything. It's interesting because I feel like I've had, over the past two years, probably had to work through. Okay, I definitely don't want to be a stay at home mom. That's not going to work for me. I definitely don't want to work four days a week. When I have a kid in the beginning, then I'm going to work what? Two days a week and and then it's like the whole money thing of like, well, people are going to leave and then I feel like for women it's when you have your own business it's probably really hard to let go of that. But yeah, like even just thinking about oh, you're just going to just be a mom or not just be a mom.
Speaker 2:You're going to stop working. I'm just like no. I'm always going to do hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why it's fun. Yeah, it is fun. Yeah, it's like I would never not want to do it, even just a few days a week. Yeah, I have to. I know it's like the thing that I go and I do and I, but it's awesome that we have this now, though, because then I feel like there's more options it's not as yeah limiting, as just booth rent, yeah, whatever but I do feel like, as a woman and having your business, there's an advantage and a disadvantage.
Speaker 1:I think it's an advantage, which is that okay.
Speaker 1:So I'm 30 now if I want to have a kid by 33, that means I need to get my ass in gear for three years and come up with a plan, because then, when I do have my kid, I can work part-time and I don't have to be worried that I'm gonna lose all my clients, because I'm gonna have something in place to where whether it's savings, whether it's the vibe that I'm gonna be giving off like I'll have a plan. I feel like and so then I'm not I'm going to be able to have everything I want which is good and bad, because it's all the pressure's on like it's all up to you.
Speaker 1:But other people are reliant on their jobs to provide all this shit for them, and I don't like that either it's not up to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've always thought that I would have a baby and then just tell everyone tune in in four months and I'll tell you what. Like I don't, I just can't imagine, I don't know. That's like a whole thing. But is it bad to just be like I don't know? Hopefully I'll be back on these days and stuff, but like not having a clear plan, is that? Like make people like, oh, I'm going to get away from this lady Probably.
Speaker 1:My first thought is that if I'm getting a service from somebody, I am a dream client.
Speaker 2:Okay, I am buying your product.
Speaker 1:I am coming there my hair. Whatever I'm doing, I'm not annoying you. I'm nice, I pay you, I have no problems. I'm a great client, so therefore I'm going to trust that when you get back from maternity leave, you're going to want me, so I'm not going to worry about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's how I would think and think of like Allison.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course, all this is like with Allison. Allison, love you. Allison, hi, the only service provider that I go to, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like if Allison was like I'm taking four months off, I don't know when I'll be back, I would be like, oh my God, like I'm checking her Instagram story every day for her to return, but I would know that she would pick me.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, know. Okay, she's going to be back and she's going to pick me. I'm not going to be left out because I'm the bomb and she wants me.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah so that's funny.
Speaker 1:We're all clients out there. Be the best client and we'll want you. I'm just kidding, it's so funny. But I mean like, I do know what you mean. Like, but I I trust that she would get me in before. She would take me in, yeah, and I would hope that my clients would know the same. I am going to make your hair look, bombish it before.
Speaker 2:I'm out for the count for a bit and don't worry, I'll be back in a few months and it'll be fine, because I feel like when I get new clients that are like, yeah, my hairstylist went on maternity leave. I'm like it freaks me. One day I guess, yeah, it will, people will have to go yeah, which is fine, which is fine. And then I guess you just rebuild it and it's fine.
Speaker 1:Those good ones, though they're loyal Because I wouldn't go.
Speaker 2:No, I would love you and I would understand the energy it would take to find someone else to go to terrible. There's no way.
Speaker 1:It'd be like finding a new yoga studio. Yeah, I know I don't care that much.
Speaker 2:I don't care about my hair that much, and I guess either, I don't know. But maybe I'm living blindly thinking that because I, I would do x that other people are doing x, but I guess people that I I don't know, I guess I was saying earlier, I think people generally are cooler than yeah, I think right, it's a full circle yeah all right.
Speaker 1:Well, it's been an hour and 10. Wow, I know, I know our boy Reggie at home is gonna go to the bathroom, squirming around in his crate worming around. Yeah, I don't know what you did in your last lifetime, but I feel like you've really been given a chance to chill and just like it was a cat?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think so too now you're just like one level up yeah, yeah, you've been given the chance to chill and be nice and stable and just live the good life yeah, man, just living the good life, that's all I want to do.
Speaker 2:That's funny all right.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks, hannah. Where you'll find me, you'll find hannah.
Speaker 2:So oh wow, okay, meeting at daydream studios exactly hair by hannah lawson.
Speaker 1:We're back at that yep and yeah, every other week at shine there we go every other friday every other friday come to my class, but I guess don't expect more from me after, apparently.
Speaker 2:She won't be reading text. No, I won't be doing a Dharma talk. No, no, dharma talk man Well.
Speaker 1:Thanks, hannah. Hannah, you're really cool. Thanks for the chat. Thank you, you, you, you.