Both Sides Now
Both Sides Now was co-founded in 2022 by Eve McCallum and Finn Ross, who could see the increasing polarisation and the decreasing youth engagement in politics. They wanted to show that you could disagree politically and still be great mates. The show interviewed a range of high-profile politicians and journalists from across the political spectrum, including 6 Prime Ministers, 4 party leaders and 2 journalists.
The show is back for election year 2026, and with Finn now being based in the UK, Alex Martin is stepping up to fill the left-leaning co-host role. Not only will the show continue its work to break down political polarisation and increase youth engagement, but it will do so with a new focus on women in politics. Eve and Alex have both seen the unfounded, increased vitriol towards female politicians in recent years, and we want to give them a chance to share their stories and educate and inspire other women to step up and become politicians.
Episodes
40 episodes
Hon Barbara Edmonds on family, election promises and working for National
We are so excited for you to hear this one, we chat with Barb for a refreshingly honest conversation about life inside and outside Parliament. She opens up about raising a big family, her time working for National, and why community has always ...
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Season 4
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Episode 4
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46:58
Breakdown of Nicola Willis' interview, petrol prices, COVID-19 Royal Commission and a super rugby update
We begin by reviewing our interview with Nicola Willis. We unpack the growing conflict involving the US, Israel and Iran, and how it’s starting to ripple into everyday life here — particularly through oil prices, petrol costs, and the wider cos...
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Season 4
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Episode 3
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51:25
Hon Nicola Willis on Pay Equity, Mum guilt and how her leadership style compares with Jacinda Ardern
Finance Minister Nicola Willis joins the podcast for a candid conversation about the pressures and priorities of political leadership. From the debate around pay equity to the reality of mum guilt while holding one of the country’s most demandi...
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Season 4
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Episode 2
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58:17
2026 Preview and Predictions
We are back and Eve is joined by a new co-host, Alex Martin.In this first episode, we share our predictions for the political year ahead and talk through stories and issues we think will shape the months to come. We also outline what we’...
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Season 4
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Episode 1
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40:17
Former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Chris Liddell on his time working for Donald Trump, American politics and his work to help New Zealand
This was an epic chat with the kiwi who spent 4 years having daily meetings with the most powerful man in the world. He chats about his time in the White House, politics in the United States and how he's helping to shape the future of New Zeala...
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Season 3
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Episode 2
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58:27
New MP James Meager on his proudest achievement, his future goals in politics and his Maiden Speech
This was an epic chat with new MP James Meager where we chatted about everything from climate change, to the treaty, to what his proudest achievements are outside of politics and the impact his new career will have on his personal life.
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Season 3
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Episode 1
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51:09
Eve and Finn share their thoughts on the campaign
Catch Eve and Finn sharing how they think the campaign has gone and what we can expect in the coming weeks!
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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21:54
Raf Manji on TOP, what the polls don't show about their chances and the current MP who considered making the move
Eve and Finn would both agree that theres many things in TOP they would both vote for. This was a great chat where we explored more about who TOP are, what they would bring to Parliament and why voting for them isn't a wasted vote.
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Season 2
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Episode 4
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34:53
Paddy Gower on leaders debates, being in the press gallery and journalism in NZ
We had an epic conversation with Paddy Gower, we covered everything from his career in the media, to how he prepares for the leaders debates, to many stories from throughout his career in the media.
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Season 2
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Episode 3
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59:05
Jack Tame on the media, polarisation and elections.
This week we changed things up and caught up with New Zealand journalist and TV presenter Jack Tame to discuss the state of the media in New Zealand and globally, their role in polarisation and elections.
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Season 2
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Episode 2
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43:22
Christopher Luxon Speed Round
Listen to hear Chris's thoughts on police carrying hand guns, who he would give a knighthood too, Te Reo in schools and more
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Season 2
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Episode 1
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4:04
Christopher Luxon on his political philosophy, polarisation and the issues facing NZ
We caught up with National Party Leader Christopher Luxon for the first episode of season 2. We covered just about every topic in this interview from polarisation, to climate change, to what Christopher does for fun.
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Season 2
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Episode 1
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43:44
Wrap up of season one of Both Sides Now with Eve and Finn
For the final episode we sat down and discussed some of the highlights of the first season of the podcast and what we have learnt from travelling around NZ and meeting all the politicians that we spoke too. We discuss things such as our favouri...
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Season 1
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Episode 12
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26:40
Hon Nikki Kaye Speed Round
Listen to hear the Hon Nikki Kaye's speed round(ish)
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Season 1
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Episode 11
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10:57
Hon Nikki Kaye on being a liberal MP in the National Party, beating PM Jacinda Ardern in Auckland central and being a young MP
The Hon Nikki Kaye was education minister under the John Key lead National Government and won the traditionally left seat of Auckland Central for the National Party for the first time. Throughout Nikki's time in the National Party she was known...
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Season 1
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Episode 11
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32:55
Former Green Party Co Leader Metiria Turei debates greed, equality and racism in NZ
Being a former co leader of the Green Party Eve found this interview one of the more challenging as Metiria sits on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum. However, Metiria’s openness to discussion and debate allowed both of us to...
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Season 1
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Episode 10
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47:44
Sir Roger Douglas Speed Round
Listen in to hear the speed round with Sir Roger!
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Season 1
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Episode 9
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2:26
Sir Roger Douglas on Rogernomics, moving from Labour to ACT and NZ politics today
Roger Douglas is one of the absolute legends of New Zealand politics, we would have loved to have the cameras rolling as soon as we arrived at his house because we were straight into some epic political conversations. Roger Douglas is most well...
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Season 1
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Episode 9
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52:01
Rt Hon Jim Bolger talks International Relations, Capital Gains Tax and the art of being PM
We went and caught up with former National Prime Minister of 7 years the Rt Hon Jim Bolger. Finn particularly enjoyed this interview, ‘a man after my own heart’ with Jim answering the question on what is the biggest challenge NZ is facing the...
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Season 1
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Episode 8
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50:45