Two Drinks In Again
Dave and Jeff have (at least) two drinks and talk about the goings-on in the Knoxville metro area. Sports, music, restaurants, movies, and really anything is up for discussion. Join us for some information and a lot of laughs.
Two Drinks In Again
Episode 31 - Navigating Grief, Disney Escapades, and Election 2024
We return to grief as Dave’s mother sadly passed away recently. He talks about the grief process and that journey has been like for him. From there, Jeff talks about running the Disney Wine & Dine Half Marathon last weekend with his daughter.
And then, it’s a lot of post-game analysis as our boys dissect Election 2024.
Two Drinks In Again was not taped before a live studio audience.
Speaker 2:So has anything happened over the past couple of weeks?
Speaker 1:that we need to talk about. Don't even get me started. Hey friends, it's Jeff. It's me, it's me, david T David. Well, let's just get right down to it All right come on, how are?
Speaker 2:you doing. It's been a weird few weeks. Yeah, four weeks Saturday for the audience.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But four weeks Saturday, my mother unfortunately mother unfortunately passed away. I'm so very sorry. Yeah, um, it's actually good to talk about it yeah um, but yeah, it was. Uh, it was a gut punch, um, during the tennessee alabama game or right before it.
Speaker 2:Uh got the news and you know I'm still processing, you know you will be for a while yeah, it's just one of those things that you know, you always get told, you know, you never know how you're going to handle it, or you just don't understand it. And it's true, um, for the for the longest time I you know, mine was the, the shock factor of it. It was like I, it's like I went completely numb, um, while I was processing it, um, and it was. It was not until like later on in the day, that's when I first had, like, my first breakdown, um, but yeah, that's what's been going on through me and there's a lot of truth to the whole five stages of grief.
Speaker 1:yeah, and, and, um, I, I, as I've, as I've said with my father, mine was not linear, it was. I was at acceptance pretty much right out of the gate. Yeah, you know, people were saying that weekend that he died was, or that week that he died, I expect to see him walk in the room. Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. Right so yeah, you'll be all over the map and it'll just hit you at weird times. Yeah, yeah, you'll be all over the map and it'll just hit you at weird times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what's been weird for me is it's been something small that's hit me, just randomness, just something that will rekindle a small memory or what have you. Or it's just something big, like just getting a card in the mail where all of a sudden you've compartmentalized it a little bit, but then you get a card, a sympathy card, and it just brings everything right back to the surface like immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was the biggest hurdle that I had to get over, just due to the fact, I mean, we basically had two different services on two different days, because I had she's living in South Carolina but the gravesite service was in Mobile, alabama. So I had to go to South Carolina, had some friends and family, that type of stuff, but then come back to Knoxville and then drive all the way down to Mobile just to have another.
Speaker 1:You know, just to go through it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just to go through it all over again.
Speaker 1:She grew up there.
Speaker 2:My grandfather bought the plots, so that's just what she chose to do, but oddly enough they bought a plot for my dad too, and midway through the whole thing down in Mobile he's just like you know what I was going to do this, but I ain't fucking doing this to you guys. Bury me where the hell y'all he's like this sucked I, you know, I've made it easy.
Speaker 1:I just told them to cremate the shit out of me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sprinkle my ashes over the ocean hilton head, someplace like that. You know the places that I liked, no doubt, yeah as of right now, I'm, I'm right there on the same page with you and, just you know, have my urn in a bar for a little bit right and, and then go spread them wherever the hell y'all want to spread them, man but that just the gravesite service, listening to bible verses that you know I, I don't know I'm. I'm a christ. I'm not saying I don't like Bible verses.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's just one of those things. It's like man, this, you don't really know her. You shouldn't be talking Like just move on somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:My brother did a great job eulogy-wise at the service in South Carolina. He was more man than me. You know, he South Carolina, he was more man than me. He got up there and delivered it. I wouldn't have been able to do what he did and it was poignant and it was very nice, but yeah, so yeah, I'm definitely in mourning man.
Speaker 1:Well, I totally sympathize with you. I understand what you're going through. It will hit you at the weirdest times. Um, and you're right, it's the more subtle stuff you know. Um, I don't think I'm ever going to be able to watch field of dreams, you know oh my god, dad, you want to have a catch.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, yeah, like no way. Yeah, you know, yeah, no way. Yeah, there's just yeah, there's just no way. I, I mean, I it's just weird you know it, you automatically and I don't know if you did this, but I damn sure did you automatically go and reflect on yourself of oh shit, what didn't I do, what could I have done more? I needed to do this, you know I I didn't go home enough or I didn't call enough. Yeah, I don't think you can beat yourself up about that kind of thing, yeah, I mean I did initially.
Speaker 2:I mean something in my brain just clicked and said okay, that's enough, just get over your fucking self Right right, but initially, man, it was rough, especially talking to my brothers and stuff. I was like man I should have because they live in the same city.
Speaker 1:They saw her a whole hell of a lot more than I did. So it was just one of those things like, ah, like can't get that fucking time back, so you know. So all you have is really to cherish the time that you had yep and and that you know. What I learned through that process was how death is very humbling. Oh yes, um.
Speaker 2:The world goes on very quickly and no one no one cares, no one cares.
Speaker 1:The world moves on, yeah, and it just so. The biggest thing is just get over yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, stop thinking you're king shit and everything like that, and uh, yeah, um, it's like you're not the only person on this planet that's lost a parent.
Speaker 1:Everybody's got a story. You know everybody's life is important and you know it's really, at the end of the day, your legacy is your children, yep, and what you leave. You know what memories you leave for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you know, she was able to be a mom, a grandmother and a great-grandmother see great-grandkids I mean how are your kids doing? They're okay. Um, they're okay. It was one of those, you know, it was their first one yeah, the first major one's the toughest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the first major yeah, dad was the first one, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean my son handled it pretty well up until a certain moment, and then my daughter, I think it really hit her during like the actual service. You know, that's when it really hit Right. It always, and even with me. It hit me the hardest just hearing dad cry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know that didn't happen. Very often didn't see the man cry much, you know growing up, and then all of a sudden he's shaking the the pew and just doing how hard he's crying. I mean that's a, that's a kick to the nuts man, I know it is they were married 60 damn years, jesus, yeah yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's awesome yeah right, I mean they had that life. I know, I know, but yeah, dad's dad's just staying busy. I mean he told me the other day he's like yeah, I worked 54 hours this week just doing different shit.
Speaker 1:I was like you need to slow the fuck down but, like I know you try to stay busy, but yeah, I think a lot of it is, you know, also trying to keep the mind occupied during this time I you know mom.
Speaker 1:She's active enough, um, you know, to do her stuff with her lady friends and and collective friends. But my ex-mother-in-law summed it up best because I last saw her at juliana's graduation and it's the first time I'd seen her since my ex-father-in-law passed away and she said the biggest, the toughest element in all of this is that so many things are still couple based. Yeah, and when you're the single person, you you kind of get forgotten and kind of left out. And mom has said the same thing, right, you kind of feel like that third, fifth, seventh, ninth, whatever, odd number wheel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to everything, I get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally get that it's kind of the same thing, kind of when you go through divorce for a while well, I mean, divorce is a death.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:I mean, no, I I had a woman, uh, who I was in rotary with, and she was president of our Rotary club at the time and I loved her dearly. Actually, she was district governor and I loved her dearly because she the greatest thing she said to me as I was going through my divorce was it's a death that doesn't have any pallbearers, doesn't?
Speaker 1:have a minister and it doesn't have a headstone Right, have any pallbearers doesn't have a minister and it doesn't have a headstone right. And I took that and I held on to that throughout my entire process of it. It makes perfect sense, it does, and so you know, it's um, but yeah, then you're the single person in your amongst, your couple, friends, and then I don't know if it happened to you, but some of those couples like all of a sudden distance themselves from you, like they think it's a communicable disease.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, oh yeah I had a time, the woman that I was dating for 10 years after my divorce um, who's a really attractive woman and and whatnot. We went to a fraternity, brother's son's bar, mitzvahs, and here she is. She, you know, is with me and she's wearing this, you know, short, strapless dress, you know.
Speaker 2:And you could just see some of the wives of my fraternity brothers clutching their husbands a little tighter, don't even think about it.
Speaker 1:They better not be seeing how much fun.
Speaker 2:Jeff is having. I think I've said it before on here, but I think I've said it before on here, but I've had a good friend of mine, real good friend of mine, before he did eventually get divorced. It was a mandate. It was just like you cannot go hang out with David anymore, Right, you know? Do not allow yourself to see how happy you are there are friends that I.
Speaker 1:there's a guy who used to live in Marable. He was in my leadership blunt class and they have since moved to anderson, south carolina, and they I I think his wife put out a mandate at some point that me and this other guy that we all hung with like he wasn't allowed to hang with either of us, so like there are times he's come to marable over the last.
Speaker 1:I think the last time I saw him was, well, juliana and I were looking at colleges, we were looking at clemson, and so we had stopped in town and gotten together and had drinks with dinner and drinks with him, and I think so that would have been 2019. Ish, okay, that we saw him. So, yeah, it's been five years since I've seen him and he's been back here quite a few times and no phone call, nothing.
Speaker 1:And I'm just like, okay, fuck you, little brother, you know, and it hurts a little bit, but it's his wife that feels that me and this other guy are like going to be a bad influence. I'm like, oh, give me a break. So much has happened since you last knew me. Develop a backbone a little bit too. Yeah right, Seriously.
Speaker 2:Is it on that shaky of ground?
Speaker 1:You know what I mean Exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:What are you projecting here? Exactly, Exactly so no, it's funny.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's funny how, whether you're widowed or whether you're divorced, the couple issue is pretty prevalent.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's a thing yeah.
Speaker 1:And hearing that from my ex-mother-in-law, it's like I actually felt a little bad. Yeah For her, yeah.
Speaker 2:I get it, you know, yeah, it's just different. It is, it is different. It's just one of those things in life, even if you know that it's coming. Right.
Speaker 1:And you're mentally preparing yourself for it. You have no clue, you have no idea.
Speaker 2:You have no idea about the pain you don't have any idea about the, just the emptiness from it. Um, yeah, it's just, it's something you know. I'm just thankful enough. I knew her and she, you know she was the best mom I think I could have ever had.
Speaker 1:Oh right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Right, just fucking incredible, yeah, and that's all I can go on.
Speaker 1:You know the long eulogy that I had posted on Facebook when my father passed away is I hadn't hit that point yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't do it. Yeah, I can't do it yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I had a couple of years to prepare for it because I knew dad had multiple myeloma and so you, you know, I've said many times, when you have a parent who's 80 and has cancer, you know that phone call is going to come, so be ready for it. So I had been ready ever since his multiple myeloma went active two years prior. Two years prior, two and a half years prior, okay, and um, no, prior. Two and a half years prior, okay and um no it was actually before that.
Speaker 1:It was in 2018. It went active and then it wasn't because it was in time for my 50th birthday that it went in remission and okay and that you know. So I I love being able to make him laugh, because you know, he just was emotional because it was in remission at the time and I said fred eberting making cancer his bitch and this just laughter that came across the phone, you know, and it's just something I treasure, you know
Speaker 1:for them that I could do that for him right but so, yeah, so that was 2018 that it went in remission, so he it was active, um, for about four years before it, before he died, wow and um. So you, just you know this, but but still, even though it went remission, yeah, I mean, you don't need a magic eight ball outlook. Not good, right, you know I mean, it's just how it is exactly, so exactly yeah, and, and so I I kind of had been drafting that eulogy for a few years there you go when it finally, when it finally was needed yeah, so yeah
Speaker 2:um, yeah, you'll get there yeah, oh, I know I'm getting closer and closer yeah I mean, no, no shit, this conversation was happening even just like last friday. I'd probably be. You probably wouldn't even be able to hear what I'm saying because you know, each day I've gotten better each day, I've gotten stronger with it. But you know, god, I mean, it's still a fresh-ass wound big time and you know it probably won't heal for—it won't ever heal.
Speaker 1:It doesn't heal, yeah you know it'll be years down the road and you'll just have a memory. I mean, shortly after Dad died, my two guy friends in Los Angeles, we had all gotten together. My group, my friend, my two guy friends in Los Angeles, we'd all gotten together. Uh, virginia and I had traveled out there to visit Juliana and we had met up in the courtyard of the Airbnb that we were staying at and we Jeff's dad had passed away 10 years before, kelvin's dad had passed away five years before and mine was recent. So it was just, we shared that experience and how, even if it's 10 years later, there's still be a moment that it triggers you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it was a long time before I could listen to dan folgeberg's, leader of the band oh yeah, okay because that was one of my dad's favorite songs yeah, I can't listen to elvis or neil diamond okay, yeah, I can't either. Well, bless you you knew that was coming. It's like I was gonna hit you with something that breaks out the absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2:I knew it was gonna happen but, and I appreciate it- it's uh, I don't. I, you know, I just can't. The biggest thing that I'm dreading right now not necessarily dread, because it gives me the opportunity to remember. But you know holidays coming up, oh, Then it's followed by her birthday.
Speaker 1:It's the first you get the year of the firsts.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they suck yeah, and that's already starting to weigh me down a little bit. You know it's just like shit. You know, here we got Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up. I'm like ugh.
Speaker 1:No, I remember it was two years ago that Mom came up for Christmas and there was one evening because Jacqueline was going to fly off to New York to do New Year's with her friends and Juliana was coming in that day also. So it was the one evening and I said you tell your mother to fuck, right?
Speaker 2:off with whatever plans she has.
Speaker 1:This is the only night we're all going to be able to do a collective dinner together, and it was great. It was the first time all of us had sat down at a table together since my father had died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and All of us had sat down at a table together since my father had died. Yeah, and we're going to have that again this Christmas, so it'll be. It's something I'm really looking forward to, because we you know Juliana hasn't been to Hilton Head since dad's funeral, Right, and so you know it's. Yeah, it's just. And the kids get older, that's you're going to find this out soon too. Just, and the kids get older, that's you're gonna find this out soon too.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah they get older and and you're just like their lives, just it's. You can't guarantee that everyone's coming home for thanksgiving or for christmas and and yep, it's yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm already, oh yeah, I'm already mentally preparing myself for that. I mean with with d being a senior this year and him you know I I not that I'll always be in the rearview mirror, but you know I know how I was.
Speaker 1:You know it's just like you're never in the rearview mirror like I had a nice intense conversation with my oldest last night and she and I uh had just run the disney epcot.
Speaker 2:I love those pics of you two. That was hilarious. Thank you, you know we had done the princess half marathon six years ago.
Speaker 1:We'd always talked about doing it again. I was going to be in shape, until COVID hit me at the end of July, and that I just never recovered from that. And um, yeah, it beat your ass. Yeah, no well, I mean just your lungs stay tight for months afterwards. And so I could run a 5K, no problem, but anything really beyond that took a lot of effort, and it wasn't that, though. This time I got 5K under my belt, and then there was this pain on the outer part of my left knee.
Speaker 2:And I was an.
Speaker 1:IT band. Did I tear something? Yeah, we'll see. We'll see in the ensuing weeks what the story is there and um, and so I walked then the next 10 miles. Now she just kind of blew past me right, right from the minute, the shock the fireworks went off for us to go um. Thank god for podcasts um kept you going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I, I can't listen to music anymore while I run, because you're talking four minute little bursts, now podcast, if you can get a good hour. And while I run, because you're talking four minute little bursts, now a podcast if you can get a good hour and a half long podcast you just zone out to that.
Speaker 2:I can see that. So that 10 miles. How many miles is it total? 13.1. Okay, so 13.1,. Is that just all of Epcot or is it go through? No?
Speaker 1:you start, you go through Epcot. You kind of go through the back parts of Epcot. Okay, you start you go through Epcot, you kind of go through the back parts of Epcot, okay, and then you go through the back parts of Disney Hollywood. Studios. Oh, okay, cool, and so, yeah, and so then we were done, and then we rested up for a few hours and then we went to Disney Hollywood Studios and did some rides there.
Speaker 2:That Star Wars ride just looks incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no it is this Rise of the Resistance Honest to God ride just looks incredible. You know, it is this rise of the resistance. I honest to god, I'm like, okay, I don't know if rise of the resistance is new or not. No, I had done it three years ago in disneyland with my son. Oh, so, um, so no, I mean so yeah, but you know it's hour-long waits in these lines and that sucks and I hate that and.
Speaker 1:But thank goodness these rides are a lot more interactive. At least it's not like Space Mountain, where it's a five-minute ride and you're like, oh, I waited an hour to do a five-minute ride.
Speaker 2:So did you get a ticket because you ran the race or did you have to buy it? We?
Speaker 1:got free entrance passes to Epcot for after 5 pm that evening. We had to buy the ticket for the Hollywood Studios.
Speaker 2:I've just heard that. Just the prices of these things now is just absolutely insane. Oh, each ticket is $170 per ticket Just to get in the door. To get in the door, and that's not like fast passes or whatever they call them anymore. Nope God. How the hell do these people do it for like a week?
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:I think it goes.
Speaker 1:It's not like it's 170 a day. I think if you buy a four-day pass it's less collectively.
Speaker 2:You're talking. It's been a really long time since I took the kids.
Speaker 1:Last time we did one, I think it was oh Lord Red was in a fucking stroller the last time I went. I want to say 2012 years ago uh, because my then girlfriend wanted to do mickey's not so scary halloween yeah, we've done that.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, we went, we took a. That was the last time I went, it was a fall break. Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1:That's good stuff how they change all that so I was like, I think it was like 2012 or something like that we were living in this house, then so it would been.
Speaker 2:It would have to be after 2011, but I won't say 2012 so that's the last we might have been there at the same fucking time oh, that'd be funny I'm not even kidding you man, it'd be funny yeah it's got to be right around there, it's got to be, it's a, it's a.
Speaker 1:So you know those. I will give disney mad props. They are an organization that have their shit together. Absolutely. They are probably one of the most well-oiled machines out there in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're the Chick-fil-A of amusement parks.
Speaker 1:Right Without the jebus, without the jebus-y stuff.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:Without the prayer fries? Yeah, Without the prayer fries. Yeah, without the prayer fries.
Speaker 2:But I mean, but yeah, every time it's always funny, right? So if you go to even Dolly even I think Dollywood's a step ahead but like if you go to Six Flags in Georgia or whatever and you're just there riding roller coasters and it's, you know, it's like a carna, you know carny, you know. And then you go to Six Flags in Georgia or whatever and you're just there riding roller coasters and it's like a carna, you know carny. And then you go into Disney World and you're like oh crap.
Speaker 1:You don't see any trash. It's just so well done. I mean, and apparently I have an employee who worked there for a while, oh wow, and she's like oh yeah, no, it is draconian, the rules.
Speaker 2:I bet you know and you're not an employee. My neighbor right now currently used to be goofy, oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, how funny is that. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I was like how amazing was that? Was that fun for you? And he was like, yeah, except for the fucking heat.
Speaker 1:Yeah. No, yeah, right, I mean he's up right before they the fireworks shot us off out of the gate showing up it's chippendale and it's like already 79 degrees in florida.
Speaker 2:Humidity like that, that can't be fun, you know, yeah, how much water weight do you lose in an hour? You know, I mean seriously, yeah, it's one of those things. But again, like you're saying, though, each ride, each little thing that you do, you know that I don't want to say you get what you pay for anymore, because it seems like it's just gotten way too steep.
Speaker 1:But wow man I mean they put forth the effort we did four rides in in hollywood studios and that's because it really wasn't like I wasn't interested in doing anything over in toy story. We wanted to do the two star wars rides, yeah what's the other? One we. We did the Mickey and Minnie roller coaster ride there, and then there was the Tower of Terror.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that thing's amazing it hasn't switched over to Guardians of the Galaxy yet. That's Disneyland.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, Disneyland has appropriated that on their Avengers campus. Gotcha, see, I thought both. No, twilight Zone is still the tower of terror. Okay, so I thought both both places were going that route no, I in fact we were trying to wonder, we were trying to figure, like where avengers in florida would be, and then there's this. It appears like there's this whole other star wars campus someplace else?
Speaker 2:I need to time out. So were you in florida or were?
Speaker 1:you in california, okay, okay yeah, yeah yeah, um I've never been to the one out in cali I've been twice, once when jacklyn was two, and then, uh, three years ago with jeffrey. Okay, it's, uh, I don't like it as much. Yeah, um, just because it's so confined, like, I mean, fucking lake buena vista down in orlando, I mean that is an empire yes unto itself, like it is a little, it's like luxembourg yeah, you know, or barcelona or something you know, I mean captain timeshare, little principality, you know right you know, yeah and uh, but again they, everybody has got their shit together
Speaker 1:over there my daughter and I had dinner. They have a party for the runners. I'm good. They have the party at the runners at Epcot from 10 pm to 1 am. Now I don't know where the sense of that is, because anybody who has done a half marathon, you got the aches, you got the pains, you got all of that nonsense going on. It's like okay, we got up at 2.45 in the morning. Yeah, Because we had to go get our race bibs and everything, Because we couldn't get them at the expo. The expo closed at 3. We literally got there at 3.01.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Hard no. They were like no, you have to go pick them up at this place.
Speaker 2:How many people do you think were involved? 25,000. Cool. 25,000. Cool. Yeah, that's a shit ton of people, man, that's a lot of people. But the parts through Epcot and stuff probably happened before the gates opened to normal ticket holders. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, they don't let anybody in until, Like they want most of us to be done by 10 am oh, okay, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2:No, nobody's allowed in until you know. The parks don't open until 10. On those, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:okay, or at least epcot doesn't right, but we ate at this italian restaurant in the italy section nice and did you do the aerosmith?
Speaker 2:um no, we didn't. I wanted to. I know I've done it before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's incredible but I, I we didn't do it this like it was the one ride, we debated, we're like do we want to do it this time? It was the one ride we debated. We're like do we want to do it, Do not want to do it, do not want to do it, the line's usually forever it is, and it kept changing too, because I mean that's the nice thing about the interactive apps is that you can find out what the wait times are for everything.
Speaker 1:And no, but I had done that ride a couple times before, and so it's pretty solid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when they kick the speakers in right on your ears and then shoot you, it's like all right yeah.
Speaker 1:And so yeah, so then we ate at this Italian restaurant. And you know, what I like also always about Disney is that, like on the name tags of their cast members.
Speaker 2:Yep Tell you where they're from.
Speaker 1:They tell you where they're from is that like on the name tags of their cast? Members tell you where they're from, and so our guy was from north of tuscany. Oh, awesome um echo uh romany, no, no, emilia, romany is what it's called.
Speaker 2:Yeah and um, uh, and so you know, I've been learning italian now and so I kind of was able to you know, forgive me, I'm about to butcher the fuck out of all of this, this language is no longer romantic, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:There's nothing sexy about this at all.
Speaker 2:But you know it's neat.
Speaker 1:And so then another girl who had brought out our food, she was from Naples, and so I said oh, I was just in Naples at the end of August, that's cool, Telling her all you know.
Speaker 2:Was the food good.
Speaker 1:I would guess that the tomato sauce was probably not made from scratch. Gotcha, there was definitely a canned feel to it yeah, a little metallic, my lasagna was excellent. Okay, the Caesar salad was good and it wasn't all that expensive. We got a bottle of wine with it.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:And so it was a good experience, and my daughter and I were very glad that we got to have that time with each other.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I'm glad y'all did that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because her life's about to get pretty busy With med school and everything like that Still going well with the boyfriend. She's bringing him home for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2:Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1:You want to come over and fuck him up a little bit? Sure, okay, alright, I need my practice. Yeah, right, so you want to come over and fuck him up a little bit?
Speaker 2:Sure, okay, all right, I need my practice. I was going to say, yeah, right, yeah, you know, give him a fucking hard time. No, he's a good guy.
Speaker 1:I think he's wonderful. I think they complement each other very nicely. That's great. So, and how old is she? She just turned 25.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's yeah yeah. Great age, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what are we drinking?
Speaker 2:Oh, sir, you poured me a wonderful, nice little pour of one of my favorites of Maker's Mark.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:That's all I mean. It's the go-to. It's a solid go-to.
Speaker 1:It's a solid go-to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I am at some point today out that my liquor store near my house has got the larceny barrel proof. Yeah, okay, yeah, and it was only like it was only like 70 bucks, holy shit, yeah, and I'm telling you like from my buddy that found out that he collects all kind of bourbons like this shit is, it's spot on stuff that's nice.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's nice. Um, so it's been like a long time since we recorded yeah, it has been, but it doesn't seem it doesn't feel like it. Yeah, like what I mean it's just been a lot that's happened.
Speaker 2:My my, I've gotten a somewhat of a promotion. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you I know that was like it was one of those things I they've given me another facility to manage, so I've been having to deal with that. And then there's another promotion that's looming. I don't want to speak. It Beautiful, but it's looming and that would be.
Speaker 1:Do these promotions then mean your life just becomes a living hell, clusterfuck.
Speaker 2:Yes and no, it would definitely be busier. It would definitely be busier, but the one that's looming, if and when I get it, it'd be life-changing. And set myself up until I retire, that's awesome. Yeah, that is awesome. Yeah, it would be a two-fold kind of thing, but yeah, and everyone's on board. I just need one domino to fall.
Speaker 1:Oh right, nice, Nice, excellent, yeah, and it would be local, right you?
Speaker 2:know, always with my job it's been like hey, buddy. Yeah we want to promote you, but Now you got to be regional.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that or the the a the role that you're gonna need for your next steps in texas right?
Speaker 2:well, fuck that, I'm not doing that yeah so but yeah, that's been just me. My main deal is just um, it's been work and and of course you know, with with mom passing man, it was like it, it took the wind out of your sails yeah, I I mean just a few minutes ago when I said, yeah, it'll be four weeks, saturday tomorrow. It doesn't even feel like it. I have no idea. I just kind of time traveled through these past four weeks.
Speaker 2:It's just like yeah, how did four weeks just go by? Yeah, and the football season is 75% over already.
Speaker 1:What the hell is that? How about that? How about that? What about you? What about me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, what's been going on other than the marathon? I mean it's.
Speaker 1:October, october. Let's see, october was well, there was Jeff Lindsay yellow down in Atlanta. Yes, and that was incredible. It was everything I hoped. I was right there in the front row, so cool, I could see the man's eyes behind his sunglasses. That is amazing.
Speaker 2:It was just Way to way to conclude your bromance with him. My bromance with him, yeah, no, I mean.
Speaker 1:So now his official end to all touring is going to be next July in Hyde Park in London at the Hyde Park Festival. I'd considered that for two seconds, but then they're doing it July 13th, which is a Sunday. I mean, who fucking does that?
Speaker 2:That's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like if it had been a Friday night concert. Oh yeah, no, I would have found a way to fly over to London and go see that Right. But I'm also now at this point where I am ready to be done with the traveling for concerts and I don't blame you uh, tomorrow morning at 6 a, at 6 30 am, I fly up to new york city to see david gilmore yeah, pink floyd in concert and that's, that is the last traveling for the year and I'm I'm just, I'm really just kind of worn out from all of it.
Speaker 1:You, you've done a over the past two years.
Speaker 2:It's been a crazy year. This year alone has been insane. This year alone, but I mean even over the past two years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the amount of travel that you've done this year, yeah, it's been a lot and so I'm ready to calm things down. We, virginia and I, have nothing on the books for next year, like in terms of travel or anything. We we have, um, as the man says, concepts of a plan. Um and uh, we'll talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 1:Um, but um, it's uh. So that, um so. So yeah, that was that weekend. And then when I have the weekend after I did, I have something going on the weekend after. I know I don't think I did, and then, um yeah, so we've just kind of been chilling a little bit and then I flopped in New York this week. Well, I had the half marathon last weekend, flopped in New York this weekend. We have some friends coming up the weekend after uh weekend. We have some friends coming up the weekend after uh from greenville to to hang out with us and then mom comes up for thanksgiving.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I mean thanksgiving's here.
Speaker 1:Right, it's here, like I'm I'm so fucking ready for it, like I'm just, I'm just ready for some. I want it to get cold. Can the weather please get cold, like it is 76 degrees today?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I had my head right just like okay, it's, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a november day, right? But my daughter, comes down because I took her to school this morning. She comes down in a t-shirt and shorts, so you're gonna freeze and she's like the hell I am like it was, yeah, it was hot as shit yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, oh, yeah, I forgot, no, it's I'm just. Can we like get it cold, like I you know like I'd like to enjoy a fire. We've got this. You know we got the fire pit out back finally up and running, and you know the hot tub's ready to go. You have used it yes, oh yeah, totally Okay. So the smokeless Brilliant yeah. Brilliant.
Speaker 2:So you're not walking around after it's smelling like?
Speaker 1:campfire. Oh, always smelling like hickory's hickory. Okay, so it's not okay yeah, but like you're not bathed in smoke you know you're not. You're not like asphyxiating while you're sitting around the fire, understand?
Speaker 2:no, it's, it's it no, it's wonderful, I I it's, uh, it looks cool as hell, you know it's, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1:So it's a, it's a good setup. So, um, yeah, so that's, that's how that's just kind of I'm trying to think of, like any of anything else going on. Um, oh, we, the young lady who I've been vetting as a possible associate.
Speaker 2:She came up to visit and we she's, I love her, she's pleasant, I I outstanding I hope this has legs um I told her we had lunch after right where's she.
Speaker 1:She is from Alabama, her husband is from New Mexico. He's a chemical engineer. The draw here is he wants to work for ORNL. Well, that's a match. And so he had some. He had some interviews up here and meetings, and then she came and visited Our Morristown and Marable offices and she's just lovely, she's not available Until August. She came and visited our Morristown and Maryville offices and she's just lovely, she's not available until August.
Speaker 2:So it gives us time Right, like before with the previous guy and this is something that you're wanting to just get help with, or is it something that you want to pass the baton to?
Speaker 1:I don't know yet. Okay, a little bit of both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going into it with both Gotcha. I don't know yet, okay, um, I'm going a little bit of both. Yeah, I'm going into it with both gotcha I don't, I don't know yet.
Speaker 1:Um, that will all depend that it's. It's a different dynamic now than it was when we were vetting the previous yeah, you have a better team well that. First of all, the team is infinitely better. Secondly, we're now a few years down the road, and so, at the time when I was betting him. It was all buy into partnership. Now it's like, okay, you do two years associateship with me and I'm talking seven years until retirement.
Speaker 2:So now, okay, this can be yours.
Speaker 1:And you know we stopped taking new 10 care patients. We paused taking new 10 care patients this year. We're probably going to get back into that. I have a phone call with the 10 care dental director next Wednesday to kind of. I wrote a long letter voicing here's some things I would love you to entertain. Yeah, Changing your policies a little bit.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good.
Speaker 1:In July 1st, tenncare will no longer be managed by DentaQuest, they'll be managed by Delta Dental and I'm hoping, with that transition, that these new policies can go into effect. I don't need many things to change. There's a big deal one, and if I could get them to bite off on it then I would happily stay as a TennCare provider for orthodontics for the rest of my career. Awesome and um. You know there's a way to do that and help an underprivileged population. There are, I mean, it's ridiculous. What's happened in the dental community with 10 care is so many dentists have just walked away from it, and I get it now the reimbursement isn't great right and that's something they need to address.
Speaker 1:and not that I want to get political about it, but I mean I know there's this resistance from Governor Lee and the state legislature about taking the expanded Medicaid Right. I would just say, do it and then take a shower.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, you may feel dirty when you do it, but you know we are called the volunteer state.
Speaker 2:That's true, you know, I mean's let's act like it.
Speaker 1:You know, let's act like it a little bit you know. And when you hear that you know half to two thirds of the kids in the state are on 10, care like how do you, how do you ignore that number?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know that's that's pretty significant you know, and and the marketing company that I've been using this year to to bring in more non-10 care patients. Um, you know, we talked and when we were like, well, we could do marketing, we do this for this one guy in california who takes medical and that's california's ten care, and I said stop talking right there, because if I go back into ten care we're done having a relationship, because I don't need you because all I have to do is announce I'm taking new patients they will be lined up five counties away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, and I will not have to do anything. I will not have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, send cookies to general dentists, I will not have to have lunches anymore.
Speaker 1:I won't have to do any of that yeah, right um, there's part of that that, for me, is appealing absolutely and um, um, but I, you know, um, I kind of like the fact that we have, over the course of the last six months, thinned out our schedule, got all the, the, the, you know, twice as many patients, half the schedule space we now. I have holes in my schedule and that's awesome yeah and our team gets to rest a little bit and gets a break and um but I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what, though I was just just outside looking in over the past six, seven months with you. Your stress level in regards to your practice has either you're either you're handling it better or it has just dropped for okay man look we got chichen chong here in the place.
Speaker 1:I can, we can't he's not here man, we can't do that.
Speaker 2:It's cultural appropriation we can't do that, so yeah, um anyway, but yeah, so that's that's anyway.
Speaker 1:She came to visit, loved her. I told her right before they left. I said, listen, let's not go into any kind of details here. You go home, digest this for a month, let's talk.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:We'll talk in a month. We got plenty of time, and so we'll see where that's at.
Speaker 2:That's great, and so you know, did it just fall into your lap or did you try to?
Speaker 1:I mean, did you go out on the well, there had been another young lady who has since opened up her own practice. Uh, just down the road from me in harden valley oh that's fine. I'm not you know, I'm not angry about that. She's. She's a nice person. I think I I respect her as a colleague and and whatnot. Um and uh, I just um this. This other person had, I felt, a greater sense of commitment to wanting to pursue this.
Speaker 2:Gotcha and pursue me. Does that competitor, the one that you're just talking, does she just have the one practice in Hardin Valley?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's barely at that.
Speaker 2:Gotcha.
Speaker 1:I mean she's working out of a pediatric dentist's office who just opened up there and that pediatric dentist isn't even full-time in Hard Valley.
Speaker 2:So she's just starting. Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, starting from scratch, so yeah, so that's what we basically have going on, but you know I mean. This week I've had numerous lunchtime phone calls with DSO brokers, the corporates.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know keeping, I'm also keeping that flame going, absolutely you should, just to see what the options are.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, so that's that. So that was that. And then let's see, end of October we had Halloween.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, did anything exciting happen this past week? We're recording on Friday, november 8th.
Speaker 2:I think exciting happened this past week. We're recording on friday, november 8th. I think I think something happened. Yes, let's talk about it. Okay, where do you want to begin?
Speaker 1:well, right now, the everything that I've been, the articles that I've been reading post-election yeah, um, and the podcasts to which I listen, um, you know, as the finger pointing within the Democratic Party has started, oh, yeah, and I think that's appropriate.
Speaker 1:I definitely feel like it's appropriate. I had mentally prepared that this was an outcome, so I'm not as gobsmacked by it as everyone else but I honestly didn't see it going the way it did. And you know I had said to Virginia at one point well, what if it turns out that this is truly what the country wants? You know, because this time he did get the popular vote Right and so I can't question that you. You know you can't bitch about the electoral college or anything right because, because this time he got the popular vote as well.
Speaker 1:yeah, and, and the last time that she was brought into this, yeah, we can do a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking on this, and that's what a lot of the and you're gonna need to, I think well, and I I do. I think there are a lot of things that took place um woulda, coulda shouldas. Biden should have announced after the midterm elections of 2022 that he was not running for president. 100 agree.
Speaker 2:Then we could have had I mean he initially said it right you know when, when he first started it. I mean that. But I don't think that they were expecting. They weren't expecting Trump to come back, they weren't. I mean they just weren't.
Speaker 1:And I think once that started happening, Really, because Trump had been bitching about it since the day he lost.
Speaker 2:I know that he was bitching about it, but what I mean by that is after. I just didn't think that he was going to be that overwhelmingly of the Republican nominee category during that time. You know, I I was going. I was thinking that nicky haley was just going to blow him out, do?
Speaker 1:you really?
Speaker 2:yeah, I see, I like nicky I, but I just kept thinking I was just like okay, the republican party is going to move away from him, and but obvious reason. I mean, he just keeps teflon, don? He just keeps? He really is. He just keeps.
Speaker 1:Somehow, some way, he just keeps getting stronger and stronger it is um, because I really did feel that the last um, you know few weeks up until the election, he did everything he could to shit the bed yeah, there was so much going on the last five, six weeks from both parties yes like what yeah I'm glad it's over.
Speaker 2:I am too I. This was the the worst election cycle that I've ever experienced in my lifetime absolutely exhausting.
Speaker 1:So let me anyway. I thought harris ran an impeccable campaign for this. The fact that she had 110 days to do this, um, I don't think you could have had anyone else do it, but I think if Joe had, if President Biden had stepped down in 2022 and just let there be a Democratic primary and then a real convention, and I think that was the initial bad taste in everyone's mouth, right, and then it just went from there, I think from there the other problem that the Democrats have they use the same tired playbook all the time.
Speaker 1:Yep, and I feel that they have this we know what's best for you mentality. Yep, that does not come across well, it's actually. I have a word for it. I haven't used it out loud in my house, but I call it libsplaining. Yeah well, where they kind of talk to you like you're a 12-year-old.
Speaker 2:And no what you need to consider here is that, and I think, the identity politics are a big problem and the problem too, you know, even with that being talked down to, it's like well, I don't agree with that. Then, all of a sudden, you're getting screamed at.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's the other part, the screaming. All of a sudden you're getting screamed at.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's the other part of the screaming. You're totally freaking wrong.
Speaker 1:Well, bill maher has this thing that he says about the wokesters, that they feel they have this one great truth and if you do not subscribe to every point of the one great truth, you are a fucking asshole and they're going to cannibalize you, and I've got a problem with that. Yeah, because I think, though, the wokesters are in the minority, I mean, you know when, when you have elementary school kids saying I identify as a cat, please put a litter box in in the class, litter box in the class, okay, no problem and right.
Speaker 1:And where are the adults in this saying no, no, hell, fuck, no we're not doing this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're just not gonna play. Pandering is the wrong word, I'm just. But pandering to the extreme far left, yeah, the Democratic Party seemed like that was where they were going, and for me, just outside, looking in, one of the things that the two main issues that most Americans that I was seeing and hearing from was the economy and immigration all the time, whether it was right, wrong or indifferent.
Speaker 2:Add gaza to that and add gaza to that, which would add to your screaming right um, which I think prompted a lot of the gen z vote. But from that it was. Hey, I want to talk about the economy? No, you don't. You want to talk about abortion? No, abortion is like fourth, fifth, sixth even though it's extremely serious, and one of the most diversive, you know divided topics on the planet. I don't want to talk about that being number one, okay, well, what about immigration? Well, no, let's just talk about the idealism of the lbgq. You know it. To me it kept coming across as like the democratic party kept telling america what they wanted to hear, or what they needed to hear, as opposed to what citizens were like.
Speaker 1:Hey, this needs to be fixed no, and and and. The problem again it was immigration, it it was inflation yeah, it was and it was Gaza, and you know. So here we've been in this Gaza crisis now for a year.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And you know people kept going we need a plan for this, we need a plan for this. And it meant to Biden's fault. He. There has been no plan, no For this. There has been no holding anyone's feet to the fire or anything like that no and they screamed over and over again and nobody fucking listened.
Speaker 1:Okay, so now we have inflation and this that's just an unfortunate circumstance I think of the pandemic yep, because it is a global thing and that has been the thing that has caused a lot of global governments to go right, uh, vote out the, the institutions that they have in place, because they started overseas first with the inflation hitting them and people want answers.
Speaker 1:in that and in the midst of all of this, the working class got ignored and Donald Trump found a way to communicate with the working class and he had a message that appealed to them.
Speaker 2:And this goes back to what you were saying, too, about the same rehashing yes tired playbook. Tired playbook because one side of the mouth, donald Trump's, only for the mega rich, only for the rich, only for the rich. But then, at all the sites and conventions you're putting out somebody that's mega rich telling you how to vote, and they're like well, ugh, right, no, no, there's no winning in this. No.
Speaker 1:I mean, and you know, you have the older Democrats like Nancy Pelosi trying to tell everyone how they need to think and her being behind the scenes, behind Biden, stepping down.
Speaker 2:I mean even Obama, right, oh yes, brother, you're scenes behind biden stepping down. I mean even obama, right? Oh yes, brother. You know you're not a brother.
Speaker 1:If you're, you know where the brother's at like I can't believe he was saying some of the stuff, yeah and so you have these people that are not really in serving in politics but have been in the politics the clintons, the obamas yes and I think everyone's like we need new voices, we need younger voices, we need younger blood, and. But I think also and my wife and I go toe-to-toe on this one- sure because she wants to believe that the democratic party did nothing wrong, that the world is just made of assholes and that's an issue and that's the problem and that's what I that's so, honey, if you're listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1:I love you madly, dearly. Great ass, great legs, you know, and I, I you know. But but no, there's more to this. It isn't, and you know the run to she does is that it's the white men that are the problem. Well, yes, they were, but so were the black men and the latino men. It was the working class that there was no solution being presented to them. How are you going to make my life better? I don't care about the trans community. You know they're saying we don't care about the trans community, we care about the fact we can't fucking pay for food. Yep, you know, and I think it just fell on deaf ears and this is long.
Speaker 2:This is what happened, yeah, and deaf ears, and this is too long. This is what happened. Yeah, and and and and. The problem is too is again it goes back to there's. Only so many times you can call somebody a racist, right nazi, yes, or just total fascism and or misogynistic, and like, just you know if it was coming from the other side to, you know if it was going that way, the other way it's a problem, but for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be a problem to go that direction.
Speaker 1:Now. What I didn't like, though, is I felt that Kamala was held to a completely different standard than Donald was. I didn't like that. Everyone made this big to-do about her comment on the View that she would not change anything. She can't think of anything. She would change from what Biden has done. Yeah, not a great answer, but I don't like that much of it when he has been here the whole time shitting the bed.
Speaker 2:You know, I think he had that just much contempt for the system and everything, or he?
Speaker 1:just clearly had his finger on the pulse and knew something that the rest of us didn't.
Speaker 2:Two thoughts, and I'll let you think about it because I've got to pause. Right Two questions what do you feel about legacy media now? And then, where the hell did the 18 million votes that the Democrats got in 2020, that they didn't get in 2024 go? All right let's hit pause. And I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:We're back from having taken a short break.
Speaker 2:I feel like Jimmy Vanduul Dave had to do some work on the job here. The fuck yeah.
Speaker 1:Damn it. And we're back so to answer your question. So, first of all, legacy media. I have been very hypercritical of the mainstream media throughout this entire election process, yep, because I feel like they rolled over and gave Donald Trump everything that he wanted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they gave him unlimited press, anything that he did, there was no criticism, there was nothing said, and meanwhile, on the other side, I thought Kamala's feet were held to the fire rather unfairly. I think we don't know her well enough, or she makes that off comment on the view, or who was the guy she did the interview with on fox news brett yeah, that guy right, hairpiece right?
Speaker 2:yeah, I guess I don't. Well, I mean I don't watch fox.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no you know but but and so like. Well, she came out a little aggressive against him. What the fuck? She's in hostile territory, you know? I think mainstream media shit the bed on this one. And if Trump decides to form state media and yank all of their FCC things, they have nobody to blame but themselves and they are not to come crying to me about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but do you think that you don't think that they lean left on what they always felt that they?
Speaker 1:leaned left okay and and and even that was when the fairness doctrine was still in place and I'm a big believer in the fairness doctrine. It is had she won. That is the number one thing that I request is let's get the fairness doctrine back in place, and then this ends a lot of this bullshit. It ends the rush limbaugh's that are out there. It ends fox news. It ends msnbc it, and you know I mean both sides and we go back to the days of walter cronkite, man, golly.
Speaker 1:Well, it just seems I mean, and I used to watch morning joe all the time and everything like that, and it seems way too no, but I mean it's but it's the same on both sides oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I know I'm not saying that and I'm just saying that, that you know. I mean I would love to see the fairness doctrine back so that all this shit goes away. It's the three major networks, maybe cnn as well, but but no, you know, when it's an op-ed piece that both sides get a chance to do an op-ed piece outside of having a token republican or a token democrat on these shows because, you know, I just don't well on msnbc.
Speaker 1:Michael steel is hardly the token republican, even though he used to be rnc chair yeah, but I mean cnn's got that's jennings guy and he'll. I mean he lambasts everybody yeah yeah, I'll tell you what about cnn? What I do love, um I, when I listened to the election results and this started in 2020 john king is just, he's good, he's the best because he's just, he has this way of delivering it that I find very soothing.
Speaker 1:It's something about his vocal cadence but, like in 2020, he was like as you can see, anything, what they're doing is counting the votes. They're collecting the votes nothing nefarious going on here doing this the way we've been doing this for 225 years, right, we're counting, we're collecting the votes, we're going to count them, we're going to turn them in, we're going to process them, just the way it's always been done they'll be validated by the state and the board of electors just the way it's been done the whole time and just kept saying that, but like even when he'd do the breakdown of of the districts and he'd be like as you can see, the evening's young, we still have a ways to go Now and then.
Speaker 2:So the other question was when do you feel the 18 million votes that Biden got in? 20 didn't show up in the 24?.
Speaker 1:That goes hand in hand with another analysis that I made. I sat in front of CNN for four and a half hours Tuesday night, from 8 o'clock until 1230.
Speaker 2:I stayed up and watched the whole thing, did you really? Yeah, I, well, one is just, I was just. I was flabbergasted, like I didn't know. I still didn't know who was going to win, but I just did not see, well, what was happening at when I went to bed.
Speaker 1:I kind of yeah no, but, but I kept, I just kept watching it just the things that were very telling to me was every time that they would break down like a district and you know it's when they started comparing them to how biden did in 2020 is when I really started seeing the cracks yeah, and then tapper going.
Speaker 2:You mean, they haven't picked up one county, right?
Speaker 1:well, like they looked at phil, which Kamala was carrying very well, she had 75% of the vote in Philadelphia, but Joe Biden had 81% of the vote. So that six points makes a difference, huge difference, a huge difference somewhere, and you know so I have said the three bigs are, you know, immigration, inflation and gaza, yeah I'm also going to go for what is the unspoken part. I still think we have a ways to go before people are ready to embrace a woman as president. Okay, I, I do believe that.
Speaker 2:Okay, I do believe that my only pushback on that is I feel I'm going to say I disagree with you. Okay, that's fine, but I just don't. I'm not going to throw my drink in your face, no but I just feel like the Democratic Party has not put forth the right woman candidate to me. I could agree with that, because Because Hillary was already kind of hated Hillary.
Speaker 1:I have said this forever and again. This is another one my wife and I get into it over. Hillary always had a likability problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She's the most experienced woman out there and she would have been a great president, but people just didn't like her. They didn't like her back in 1992.
Speaker 2:Right, and they knew that in 1992, okay, we're just going to groom her to be president Right. Whether y'all like her or not, that's going to be the first woman president that rubbed people the wrong way so badly.
Speaker 1:I think the conversation on Hillary Clinton being president should have been over in 2008, when she lost the primary to Barack Obama? Yep, that should have been it. She should have been done, you're done.
Speaker 2:Yep, that should have been it. She should have been done, you're done. Yep, I agree with you.
Speaker 1:No we had to. The way this all should have gone is that now? I know that Joe Biden had, you know, I think his son had just passed away, or something like that when you know when 2016 rolled along. Yeah, it wasn't his turn In a normal universe, it would have been Biden's time. He's the sitting. Vice president. Usually you're given the right of first refusal, yep, or you're usually the front runner in the primaries.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Especially if it was going as well as it was with Obama, right If he was going to be the Democratic nominee in 2016,.
Speaker 1:This may have gone differently, I agree, I mean we'll never know and we would never be talking about his age, and right now he would be doing his victory lap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he'd have his library by now.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, you know, and we'd be talking about whoever his vice president was, maybe having won the election, depending on how his eight years would have gone. But I think that's the biggest problem. I think, hillary, again you get these entrenched senior Democrats. You know the party elders who just feel like that they need to have a hand in the pot and there are too many fucking hands in the pot.
Speaker 2:They need honest to goodness. They need to flush them all.
Speaker 1:I agree. But the other thing is like well now, who's going to be the standard bearer for the Democratic Party?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think you need to back Shapiro, you know real quick. I even think if you had Shapiro instead of Waltz, you win.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because he would have gone toe-to-toe with Vance. Yeah, and Vance is a problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:For the Democratic Party toe-to-toe with vance. Yeah, and advance is a problem. Yeah for the democratic party.
Speaker 1:I mean he's, he's trump, but he's got a silver tongue. Yeah, no, he was. I will give him his props.
Speaker 2:He was smooth in that debate, but he's, I mean he's good yeah and um, I just the the schumers, the Pelosi's, the Clinton's, the Obama's. You had your time in the sun. It's, I mean, time to move on. It's time to move on, you know, especially Pelosi, because again, I think that's where it all got that whole just bad taste of. You know, all of a sudden, biden's not. You know he can't do it, and then it was just like well, who's making these fucking decisions? Exactly, I know he can't do it, and then it was just like, well, who's making these fucking decisions?
Speaker 1:exactly like who's, I mean. Why are we kowtowing to nancy pelosi, who's not even speaker of the house, correct, you know, not even the democratic, not even the minority leader.
Speaker 2:Right, you know I, just because it was. I mean, you may tell me wrong, but it wasn't biden's decision. Do you really think he just was all of a sudden? I think enough people said sir right, though enough people were like telling him it wasn't I I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm sure the story will all come out one day I would like to think that probably his wife, probably was, you know, the deciding that I mean listen. My wife and I went rounds over this too, and I finally told her one morning. I said honey, he's done great things for the country. You may disagree with me said honey, he's done great things for the country you may disagree with me.
Speaker 1:But no, I think he's done great things for the country. He's a great man, he's a good, kind human being and all that, but he's going to have to step aside if there's to be even a prayer of us winning this election.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it should have happened two years ago. It should have happened two years ago, yeah, I mean. But again to your point, though, you know, losing the popular vote and the electoral college, it's not just racism and misogyny, like there's a huge, there's a huge disconnect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like the.
Speaker 2:Democratic Party needs to figure out how to.
Speaker 1:There's a reason I have held off on posting anything on Facebook. Sure, With my post game analysis here and, and, um, you know, because I have wanted to listen to what the talking heads have had to say, particularly my boys at pod save America. Um, and you know, there's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. Um, I think I, again I, I think it was just it's, it was lemony snicket. It was a series of unfortunate events.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, and here's what I hope that they don't do, because I think it'll backfire. And of course, I know.
Speaker 1:I know nothing.
Speaker 2:But I'm completely Jon Snow over here. But yeah, if I was the Democratic Party, I'd let Trump just let him run, without even appearing that the Democrats are trying to prosecute him and not being who he is, and just let that son of a bitch. And if it burns, it burns and you get to go up to the microphone and say we told you so, yeah, yeah. But the more you try to go up to the microphone, and say we told you so, yeah, yeah. But the more you try to make it look like, you're preventing him to do something somehow.
Speaker 2:Some way that dude gets more powerful.
Speaker 1:My sister, who has been a very vocal Democrat on this, lives in Chicago.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I texted her the next morning and said how are you doing? And she said you know what I'm out. She said I'm not doing this again for four years. She said I have screamed at the TV for the last eight years. They want him. They got him.
Speaker 2:Right, you know.
Speaker 1:Right and I said, yeah, that's kind of how we feel right now, and so you know, I'm just going to make as much money as I can and get to retirement in seven years. See where it's at and see where it's at. But hey, how about that stock market the last few days? That's pretty wild, isn't it? Isn't it wild? The stock market went up 1,500 points on.
Speaker 2:Where are?
Speaker 1:they at right now. Today they're past 44,000. The Dow Jones is past 44,000 right now as we speak.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1:You know, and again I'm like well, is this? You know? I mean, I don't want to give him the entire credit.
Speaker 2:It's not.
Speaker 1:Because it was 19,000 four years ago, I mean. So somehow we got the market, we came out of the pandemic, we the market up to 40, over 40,000 and yeah, and you know, although all the big hit we took during the pandemic, like we all made it back and yeah, and then some and then some you know. So I mean, but I'm, I'm so where I'm at with don't destroy the market and the economy. Yeah, don't get us into a nuclear war well, I don't think that'll be the case.
Speaker 1:And don't send your jackbooted thugs to cart my stepdaughter and her friends off to conversion therapy camp, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I hear you. I hope my daughter doesn't get carted off either.
Speaker 1:Well, your daughter wouldn't get carted off. She's not non-binary my stepdaughter claims to be non-binary, so identifies as non-binary. So I, you know I mean that's a concern for us, and you know. And so you know I mean for now my focus is just on the safety and the well-being of my family.
Speaker 2:Sure, and you know I mean. That's all. We are right In this United States of America, just an organized selfishness.
Speaker 1:the united states of america, just, uh, an organized selfishness. Well, it's funny because those are the other. That's the big article that I posted recently. I haven't said my own words. I've been posting other people's words because they've said more or less what I've been thinking yeah um, but somewhere in the last decade we have just become very feral to each other.
Speaker 1:We have been very looking for angry, revenge oriented, looking for fights. You know uh, that's the karens have come into play during during this time and and I don't think it's going to be a cultural thing that is going to go away anytime soon.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:And so that is why when I look at retirement, I look at going overseas and hope that that at least stays a little purer overseas.
Speaker 2:I think that's a big part of that to me is social media.
Speaker 1:Oh, totally.
Speaker 2:Even like on TikTok, people just screaming and crying into their video about the results and stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I don't get all that. Everyone is so narcissistic in that they think that their voice is that important.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to argue with you there. No, I mean, and this is where, coming from two guys with a podcast, right, exactly, yeah, right, like I mean, and this is where Coming from two guys with a podcast.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, yeah, right, like you know, with our four listeners. Yeah, I know, but still no. I mean it's Bill Maher says this all the time and I agree, these phones have made us assholes. That's just what happened, and on so many levels. You know I've always said about the phones that you know you want this society to become full big brother. It's not going to be the government that makes us big, that becomes big brother.
Speaker 2:It's going to because we filmed people in walmart's disciplining their kids yep you know, or someone got into a verbal argument with someone and everyone had to break out their phone to film this yeah, you know, and or film some something tragic, just to get the likes and the footage from it, instead of fucking helping them no, and it's, it's not.
Speaker 1:We're not gonna have to install cameras in every place no, you already got it monitored every.
Speaker 2:The people will do it for yeah, it's there, it's already there, it's on the internet.
Speaker 1:It's there for the world to see. Yeah, and you know, I mean, I I'm not a big tiktok user, I just no, I don't know, I mean. I am strapped for time, as it is Like that would completely just I would be gone. I don't play video games because I'm strapped for free time as it is. And I mean God.
Speaker 2:It's hard enough for you and I to get together and do this, and this is something I like frigging live for. Yeah, I love this stuff.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, it's I. It will be very interesting to see what our society does, how the government acts um. I'm, I'm not that optimistic as to what the future holds, but I'm, I am adopting a wait and see attitude. I'm not in this whole it. It's all over for America, you know. I mean I'm not posting. Okay, america, you had a good run. Right you know I'm not that but, I'm just kind of let's just see what happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah and and yeah. No, I get that but it doesn't look good.
Speaker 1:I mean I mean, you know, you just read half of that project 2025 playbook and I'm just like I mean where's any of that good? You know, I mean and so, but again, don't trash the economy, don't get us into a nuclear war, don't cart my stepdaughter and her friends off to conversion therapy camp yep so that, and that's just where I stand on it yeah, so hey, sports, let's talk about sports.
Speaker 2:Geez boy, that was a 180.
Speaker 1:I know we talked enough about. I think we talked it to death.
Speaker 2:There's nothing more to talk about that's true, it is a wait and see I'll be.
Speaker 1:I'll be very honest, david. I mean I just I'm glad it's over me too, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've just it's the entire, whether it was her or him, like let's just roll, let's just move on.
Speaker 2:Exhausted me, yeah, it's been it's been brutal yeah I'm not gonna lie yeah and and again, somehow some way, and just somehow some way. I hope that just it can in. Biden's speech yesterday was really good yeah, you know, like all of a sudden he was just like where you been right. Yeah, you know, but you know it is time to come together. You know, I don't think he's going to be the one to lead that, but it's going to be up to the actual love thy neighbor big time.
Speaker 2:Don't leave it up to a politician how you treat other people Exactly. You know what I mean Either be a good person or be an asshole.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it's time for people to quit being assholes, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just quit being an asshole.
Speaker 1:I mean again as I've joked. This is why I've created now the renovations with my house.
Speaker 2:What I've done is just so I don't have to leave, I don't have to deal with assholes.
Speaker 1:And we can have a place where people, our friends, can come over and spend time with us and be entertained and sit around the fire. They want to get in the hot tub.
Speaker 2:Get in the hot tub, you know, just kind of have a party. That's the way to do it. I think a lot of people are going that way. All right, sports, let's talk about it. What do you got?
Speaker 1:Well, okay, so Duke is bowl eligible. Yes, and then they've kind of been on the shit, the bed run.
Speaker 2:Well, I was really disappointed in Duke against Miami just this last week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't watch that because I was flying down to Orlando.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't see much of it, but it was one of those games. I just circled and me and my son we live for College Football Saturdays. Whether he's with me or not, we're always talking about it. And I was just like hurricanes are on upset, watch Like Manny Diaz coming home and he's going to take it, and by God, they were right there. And then all of a sudden, you know it was like 39 to 31 or something. And then the next thing I saw it was like 50 something to 30.
Speaker 1:Like what the hell, just happened. Yeah, duke was up and then I got on my flight and then by the time I landed and got situated and in the car I was like it was like 53 to 39 or something like that.
Speaker 2:But you get six wins and that's a good first year. Yeah, no, You're going to have more than six wins, but I don't know the rest of their schedule what?
Speaker 1:the rest of the schedule is they're? Definitely better than I thought they were going to be. We have North Carolina State tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Maybe, 3.30.
Speaker 1:Who knows?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean North Carolina State was ranked once upon a time. Right.
Speaker 2:They got a good defense.
Speaker 1:I was a little upset as to how the SMU game went.
Speaker 2:That was a They've snuck up. They're undefeated still in the ACC, yeah.
Speaker 1:That was, though, a game where it's like, hey, kicker want to shit the bed anymore.
Speaker 2:That was like UT Saturday night. I had to text my son Saturday night with the UT kicker. I was like is the dude drunk?
Speaker 1:Like which goal post is he kicking towards? And then I was confused by the decision in overtime for them to go for the two-point conversion over the kicking, the field goal. Was it you just didn't have that much faith in your kicker, or was it that you just wanted to get the game over with? Yeah?
Speaker 2:those are always some nut check times whenever like. So, like the florida game, I felt like billy napier should have gone for two and and mean he should have gone for two to get the lead.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I mean, you're, you're in Neyland, you just shocked the world with that touchdown, get the lead and make a freshman quarterback beat you. But he didn't do it, you know, and it just settled for that tie right there or whatever it was that score. But you know, there are certain times where, yeah, I don't necessarily want the game to end, but, man, I know I can beat you, and those are the types of moments that I want to see more of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:Bless you. Excuse me If Tennessee has trouble with Mississippi State tomorrow night. I just I don't know. Tennessee is the weirdest 6-1 or seven and one team I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, so here's who Duke has left. They've got North Carolina State, virginia Tech and Wake Forest. So North Carolina State, virginia Tech toss-ups.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where is Virginia Tech? Is it at Virginia Tech or Duke? It is at Duke. Yeah, where is Virginia Tech? Is it at?
Speaker 1:Virginia Tech or Duke, it is at Duke.
Speaker 2:Okay, if it was at Virginia Tech, I'd give you a big fat L, but you can beat them at home.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, we couldn't beat SMU at home. Smu's good, though.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying Duke's not, but I mean, that was not a bad loss for Duke.
Speaker 1:No, I mean look Manny Diaz having a bowl-eligible first season. That would be great, yeah, I mean if you told me back in college that Duke would have gone to this many bowls at some point consecutively, one consecutive bowls under Cutcliffe and everything, and under Elko you know, I mean it's just like I've got nothing to complain about. You know, I mean, this is all just primer for basketball season.
Speaker 2:Elko, shit the bed last week, did he really? He was doing very well with Texas A&M and then went into South. Carolina and just got destroyed last week South.
Speaker 1:Carolina, that good no.
Speaker 2:Okay, they beat that ass man. It was like frog, egg, leghorn. You know they're like whack, whack, whack. It was bad, it was real bad. But basketball season I think Duke is like they got that. Oh God, I never can remember his name, but it's the. He's going to be like Connect was.
Speaker 1:He's going to be. He's a big con coneple. Con coneple that, or are you talking the?
Speaker 2:uh, oh shit, it's something like um, like powers or something like that. Like this guy, he's a big white guy yeah, right no but he is just, he's awesome, like he even. He was even destroying people on the USA basketball team during practice this year. It's like a captain, or Cooper Flagg Cooper Flagg, that's right. Cooper Flagg Suicide Squad.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then there's Well the surprising guy, though, has been Con Kneppel. Okay, and he is. So I feel like, from what I have seen so far, Right Every time he, because he's right now the high scorer on the team.
Speaker 2:Oh really, he's got this smooth three-point shot. He's just a fucking guard from hell. They've been missing that.
Speaker 1:He wasn't a McDonald's All-American and I feel like that every game he goes out he is is flipping off the selection you want a guy like that, like like going hey, I'm going to show you how you fucked up yeah, yeah, you want a guy. That's the guy we want. Yes, so you know. Did you watch the duke arizona state game? No so this was bobby hurley's welcome home to uh is that where he's at? Yeah, he's coach of arizona okay.
Speaker 2:Is that new or has he been there? He's been there for a few years, okay yeah and um.
Speaker 1:So this was his return home to cameron and everything like that. And yeah, that's kind of pretty much how it was, it was um, it was uh, it was a bitch slapping, I guess was tennessee's got louisville tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I'm interested to see about that. That'll be interesting to watch.
Speaker 1:We've got Kentucky on Tuesday, no shit.
Speaker 2:Hell yes.
Speaker 1:We've got Kentucky on Tuesday.
Speaker 2:Is it a?
Speaker 1:Neutral site it is Hold on. It is in State Farm Arena Down in Georgia.
Speaker 2:Okay, so yeah, Nutrisite.
Speaker 1:Down in Atlanta, damn, I was like hey guys, I was there exactly a month ago to the day for the ELN.
Speaker 2:I was there last week. I was at the Phillips, but not the Phillips, but the Benz.
Speaker 1:The Benz. Yeah, I was at the Falcon Games. Oh, okay, right, right, yeah, yeah, that's a good, that's a good arena. I was blown away.
Speaker 2:Right, I, I walked. I saw billy joel and cheryl crowe and lionel richie there. Okay, two years ago I, when I walked in there, I went, oh, like this is this is a stadium.
Speaker 1:It's a fucking stadium.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty posh yeah, playing, uh during that football game. You know, they got that led circular.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 2:It was overstimulation. I didn't know whether to watch the game, watch the stats, watch the other games. I mean they had so much going on. It was like pick your poison Right. I mean just incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was awesome man. Yeah, so they've got Kentucky, and then they got wofford, then they've got arizona. Listen to this for a pre-season lineup yeah they got arizona and then kansas, yo, and then on december 4th they play against auburn. That's big too. Then acc starts with them playing louisville on the 8th of december mercy and then they get, and then they get a little posh during final exam week. Then they play the incarnate word what the fuck, what the fuck? Who?
Speaker 2:is that? Is that a school of?
Speaker 1:the blind. Are they a D3 school or something like that? I don't know. George Mason and then we get back into it with Georgia Tech. Now, when's the North Carolina?
Speaker 2:North Carolina is February 1st yeah, I was about to say it's usually getting closer to the end of the year. And then March 8th. I have no idea what Carolina's got.
Speaker 1:I don't either. Of course everyone's talking about, is it? Rj Davis?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is his final run, because I guess this is the last of the COVID.
Speaker 2:This is like his ninth year.
Speaker 1:Well, it's the last of the COVID players. How about Armando Bacot getting bocad, bacod getting it when I can cut from cutting from the nba rosters?
Speaker 2:I don't. Yeah, that doesn't shock me. He looks like a pug, he does.
Speaker 1:He's got this flat fucking face. I look at oscar, I look at bocad bacod.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't know. They're the same, they brothers. I have no fucking idea he does?
Speaker 1:he looks like a fucking pug now that you made a little underbite go in there like it looks just like oscar that's, I'm not gonna love on boca baycock, but I don't know if amando that did the way I do on oscar, because I love very much.
Speaker 2:Yes that's just way too funny. I I love basketball so much I I. It'll be interesting to see one how tennessee if they can make it to the playoff, because they got two games that just scared the shit out of me. Left, left, um, that's going to going to georgia and then vanderbilt they got to go to vanderbilt and I hate saying it, but I can just tennessee's past history. They can have everything right in front of them and then vanderbilt just says nope, sorry motherfucker vanderbilt's had a season.
Speaker 1:Yes, they're good, tremendous season, yes, I mean they're very good and you know, it's just one of those things it's like okay, this is what's gonna happen yeah they're gonna end up beating georgia and then just can't even run the football right, they're gonna to lose to Vanderbilt while they're still sucking each other's dicks over beating.
Speaker 1:Georgia, Exactly Well let me tell you that one of the greatest Halloween decorations was in our neighborhood and I think it's been published in a few things like these guys had a skeleton wearing a Tennessee Jersey sitting on a riding lawnmower, and all under the blades of the lawnmower was a skeleton wearing a florida jersey, and then it was chase gaining on what was one of the other big wins of the season.
Speaker 1:that oklahoma, yeah, florida, alabama and then and then, well, no, it was, it was um. No, it was um oklahoma, alabama, and then florida, jersey. It was like one of the most brilliant.
Speaker 2:That's awesome fucking displays that I've seen right in this neighborhood so awesome I love that that was just brilliant. So, god, man, I went to the florida game. Man, I don't, I can't do it anymore Because it was a night game. I got there, I get juiced up. What is it with the 8 o'clock games? Oh, every single one. There's only been one day game this whole season. Yeah, no like.
Speaker 1:Duke against Miami. It's like the one time I wanted it to be a late game. It's like fucking noon and I'm on my contribution to the iron dukes night game.
Speaker 2:Getting back to the car, I mean I'm getting in the car at 12, 30 in the morning and people can't get out of a parking garage to save their lives. So I mean we didn't get home like 2, 2, 30 in the morning. Yeah, fuck that. It's like no, and like that's full of day drinking and everything else is like I mean I was a complete zombie. That sund. It's like I can't do this anymore. I just can't do that anymore. I'm not 18. Yeah, damn it.
Speaker 1:No, there have been times after we've recorded that I don't stop at two drinks. And I just I'm like I've got a nice even flow going now and I'm like I'll just keep drinking. Next thing, you know, the'm right there with you and I'm just like how did I wake up naked next to the dog, you know?
Speaker 2:Damn it, thompson. Damn you, thompson, god damn you the fuck. Oh well, listen, man. I appreciate you allowing me to talk about grief a little bit.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'm thinking about you. I am always here for you because I know this. Yes, you know this.
Speaker 2:I mean it's still fresh to me and I'm like oh, gosh, yeah, yeah, no, you know, I've just been put through the ringer, losing a close friend and my mom. This year has just been whew.
Speaker 1:Just take in the memories, enjoy the memories, and and that's all you can do, and and and like, don't avoid talking about her right? Um, I always, like hell. I tell my staff all the time like when, when one of my dad's quotes was you cannot expect unless you inspect, that's a fact and that's a fact, and so they get to hear that from me and you know, my son now gets to hear you know the the you to make hay while the sun shines, right, because that's what a kid who grew up on a farm they understand that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was my dad. Yeah, but no, I mean talk about your mom. Yeah, you know share great memories with the kids and everything, yeah, even stuff.
Speaker 2:they don't know the cool thing about it to the four listeners, knowing how big of a Tennessee fan I am. Last text I ever got from her because unfortunately she died the day of the Bama game.
Speaker 1:last text I got from her was kill Bama, so you need to save that, oh, absolutely Make sure that is saved. Screenshot that.
Speaker 2:Save it on your computer. I'm thinking about making it into a t-shirt that I wear every year. That's what you need to do. I I'm making it into a t-shirt that I wear every year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just you know, just you know. Yeah, I think the last text between my father and me we were talking about a Duke basketball game, because he died in January, so we were in the midst of all of it, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. Well, I love you, man.
Speaker 1:Love you too, man, I really appreciate you and good time and and we will get back to this now and I'm gonna do everything I can to have this uploaded this evening, so let's go get, because it's, you know, election shit and I don't want it to be four weeks later before we talk.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be like, oh, these guys are late to the party, so so you know I'm not gonna do the fucking shit that everyone's been saying we need to get together, talk about healing and stuff like that. You guys process, regardless of what side you're on, process this the way you need to process this and um for god's sakes, be kind to one another, be decent to one another.
Speaker 1:Can we just get the feral stuff out of our systems and just be kind people to each other? Because I am discovering in my old age that it is just easier to be nice to people and it produces much greater results yes, every time go to um our on apple podcasts if you could leave us a review please, kind of lets us know how we're doing and how much you like us and if I can do a shameless plug here, I've been doing some um audiobooks all right and finally my, the first one that I've completed has finally been published, called how to communicate by um oh shit, I forget his name Somebody Ibrahim and um.
Speaker 1:And it was good fun, you know, and it was fun to do that I'm working on a second book right now. I should have that wrapped up this weekend or next weekend. Well, I gotta have it wrapped up by the 15th.
Speaker 2:The Renaissance man continues.
Speaker 1:We do what we can yep, we do what we can. While I'm not in a band, you know, we uh, we do what we can on this. So anyway, guys, please be decent, cheers each other, cheers. ©. Transcript Emily Beynon.
