Two Drinks In Again

Episode 44 - We Came for Bourbon, Stayed for Democracy (Barely)

• Dave & Jeff • Season 1 • Episode 44

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The mics are back on and the air smells like woodsmoke and accountability. We start with real life: a son racing toward solo flights, another finishing school abroad, and the strange relief of the last tuition check. Jeff steps from stage lights to headlines, unpacking a run in Neil Simon’s Laughter on the 23rd Floor that echoed today’s media battles in uncomfortable—and oddly funny—ways. In between, there’s Piedmont fog, Barolo mornings, and the kind of travel that slows your pulse just enough to notice who you’ve become.

Then we go where most friendships falter: the churn of outrage culture and the hollowness of viral pile-ons. A ballpark tantrum turns into a larger question about public shaming. A public shooting becomes a stress test for empathy, and we call the game straight—no cheering for harm, no sanctifying violence. We pick apart late-night monologues, corporate mergers, and the convenient elasticity of “free speech” when shareholders and regulators hover. Not to score points, but to ask who benefits when the national conversation moves faster than facts.

Health myths and vaccine fears get a careful pass—more nuance than noise—because trust is earned in how we talk, not just what we say. From there, we push both parties: stop talking down to voters, retire calcified gatekeepers, and start listening to what people actually need. If your ideas don’t touch the grocery bill, the pharmacy counter, and the insurance premium, they won’t land. Through it all, we come back to the friendship at the table: a Democrat and a center‑right skeptic arguing hard, laughing harder, and refusing to dehumanize each other. That’s the quiet thesis here. Conversation won’t fix everything, but nothing gets fixed without it.

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Back From Hiatus, Fall Vibes

SPEAKER_01

Good evening, friend. It's me, Jeff. It's me, it's me, David T. And welcome back to Two Drinks In Again, where we have taken an extended hiatus because we felt everyone needed to uh recuperate from our very special episode uh dealing with grief and everything like that. I'm tired, boss. Just a just a shout out that um, you know, we want to thank Jimmy Schuster for an awesome episode, and there was a lot of good positive response we got to that. So we appreciate everyone took a chance to listen and listen to his story. Bails on me. Ticket chin, ticket, tick a chin, chin, tick a chant. I was gonna do the back end vocals for you. So he bailed on me there.

SPEAKER_03

That's all I knew. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01

You bailed on me, man. It's like super bad. Oh, it's good to be back. It's good to be back. Good to see you.

SPEAKER_03

What is it like been eight weeks or some shit?

SPEAKER_01

It's uh we dropped the last episode on August 10th.

SPEAKER_03

That's a long time ago. It's a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01

It's a galaxy far, far away. It's fall.

SPEAKER_03

It's fall, y'all. And we're not even getting like a faux fall. Like, we're getting like a real deal.

SPEAKER_01

The full fucking blown fall. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03

We're one rain away of like having leaves on trees and all kind of fun shit.

SPEAKER_01

Let me tell you what's really nice, and this is this I speak from this as a position of privilege. Um my early morning hot tub is so wonderful now. Yeah, it's like it's dark. Yes, it's cold. And I get in there in my glory and it's no longer cold. It's no longer cold. Yes. Release the kraken. There you go. Ah. What's been going on with you, man?

Parenting Updates & College Flight School

SPEAKER_03

Oh, God. Anything and everything, man. I mean, it's just been being a dad, being uh a working man, and just stuff. It's a it's amazing how quick a calendar can just fill up.

SPEAKER_01

So you've got Dylan at college now. Oh yeah. Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_03

Dylan is flying anywhere and everywhere his fucking ass can.

SPEAKER_01

I saw him post something on Instagram. Yeah. Because he and I are connected on Instagram. That a boy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah. His story, like with his like new friend Dylan, in front of like this jet, and they look like they just stole the shit. I mean, it was just like Spicoly and his new found bud down there in college figuring shit out. I mean, it was it was hilarious. But yeah, no, he uh he just passed uh what's called a PA test, and don't ask me what the hell that stands for. But he's already, now that he's passed that, is gonna start flying solo. Sweet. A month into school. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01

Like it doesn't take that, like if you if that's all you're doing, it does not take that long.

SPEAKER_03

Which I'm so happy that he's doing that, and you know, just get after it.

SPEAKER_01

Is he learning on like a single engine?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, a little Cessna. Right. Yeah, right. But the fact that I mean, they didn't call up dad and be like, hey, what do you think about us handing over this little three million dollar little thing to him? You know what I mean? It's like uh it's crazy to me. Sure. But super proud of him. I mean, there's not too many people out there that know what the fuck they want to do, have a dream, and go the fuck right after it, and he's doing it.

SPEAKER_01

So I have found that the people that want to become pilots figure that out at a very young age. Yes, yeah, I agree with you. My son has had has some friends from um school from high school that that's what they're in. Like there's a program, I think, up in like North Dakota, or something like that. Yeah, that wants one of the expensive. Yeah, it's what what is not expensive, everything's expensive. That's very true. So um, but yeah, it's it's uh so like everything, yeah. I I I think they all kind of figured out at a young age that they want to be pilots and shit.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they get that shit dialed in and there there they go. And Dylan's not the I mean he's just right after it, man. Super proud of him, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And he's and he's enjoying like he's away from home and he's all like good with that. And he's like fucking.

SPEAKER_03

I don't even well, no, I mean he's he's he's always been just the unbelievable kid. Yeah, right. Super blessed with him, just unbelievable. Couldn't ask for a better son. But I mean, he will he will keep in touch, you know, but I I guarantee you there's there's more to the story, you know. He's more there's more Paul Harvey out there. But I know he's having a good time, um, and that's all I can ask for. That's great.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, I mean you know what I told all my kids when they went off to college is I I think college is kind of where you find your people. Yes, you know, you definitely have that opportunity. You get there's a rawness of yourself that you're giving everyone's giving over. Like you're living together, you're eating together, you're going to class together, you're sorting shit out together, you're holding someone's hair back while they vomit in the potted plant, you know, all of that crap.

SPEAKER_03

The the biggest thing too, like in high school, you're you get you get into that click mode. Right. It's more social than it is education, and but college you can get the education and like flip off the clicks. Absolutely. Like everything that you've always hated, like whatever, right? Like, fuck you. I don't even have to worry about even talking to you anymore. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

And which is, you know, yeah, man, let your hair down and let it go. Well, no, yeah. And and you I I always thought that for me, college was really the goal of college was to kind of find myself. And then discovering I was an asshole, I decided to figure I had to go into dental school to learn more about myself. And that didn't really change much. So then I had to go into the military, um, you know, which got the words sir and ma'am in my vocabulary. Well, there you go. Um, and then I had to go to residency. Um, and yeah. So it went from fuck you to fuck you, sir. It really did. It did. But but they appreciate the politeness. Yeah. So they usually do. But no, it's it's um it's always great. Like, I see pictures that my son now is posting on Instagram, and like, I don't even know these people that like live in Scotland that go to school in Scotland with him, and I'm like, I'm only gonna get a chance to meet these people like next July. Right.

SPEAKER_03

You know, yeah. The fact that he's almost done. Fuck. Uh I I don't I don't know what to make of it. Me neither. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like zero. Yeah. Like I I keep saying I keep telling every parent that is just now experiencing kids going off to college, that shit will go by fast. Yeah. You're like, wait, didn't I just stroke a check last week for tuition? What I gotta wait, I gotta write this again. Yeah. So but I'm telling you, when you stroke that last check for tuition. Oh, it was so nice. So choice. So I love it. Yeah. But uh well, that's awesome. What about you? Oh gosh, you know, well, we um I guess rather than we'll break out of our routine of doing national shit first, we'll talk about local crap we've been doing. Um there was um uh a play that I was in. We talked about it. You were so awesome. Okay, well, thank you. I'm not fishing for competition.

College, Identity, And Growing Up

SPEAKER_03

No, you're not, but that if there was ever a role for you to just fucking like put on a shoe and be that person, that was fucking I did not have to dig deep to find that character.

SPEAKER_01

No, I mean the the character should have been.

SPEAKER_03

It really should have. Yeah, it was crazy to me. Like just watching it, and especially when you started bleeding to death. Oh but I mean, just watching it, it's just like, oh my gosh, this is this is like you and your practice.

SPEAKER_01

That knuckle is almost almost so. For those of you who don't know, there's a a bit in the play we're talking about is Neil Simon's Laughter on the 23rd floor, which is uh kind of it's it's semi-autobiographical. It's about when Neil Simon was working for Sid Caesar's your show of shows, and some of the characters that are represented in the play are based on real writers such as Mel Brooks. Yeah, that's I'm so glad you told me that. The IRA character is Mel Brooks, clearly, you know.

SPEAKER_03

I wish I knew that going in. Yeah, I would have appreciated some of the dialogue a lot more.

SPEAKER_01

And so, like one of the one of the other writers is supposed to be Larry Gilbert, who created the MASH TV series and was the writer and director and producer for all that. And some say Carl Reiner is supposed to be represented there, but I don't think he was involved in that. Yeah. Um, he was more like the Dick Van Dyke show and uh things like that. And um, and then of course Sid Caesar, which was what my character was based on. And and the thing about that play, it just it the the whole topicality of it just I we couldn't have presented that play at a more timely when you're talking about McCarthyism and everything like that, and boom, Kimmel happened, and we'll get back to that. So you guys missed it because I actually added lines to the play as these real-world news was on you know, taking place. So there's a line at the very end when we're talking, I'm you know, my character's drunk, we're doing the whole and I and I talk about we're out, we're on our own, we're doing our own thing now, and like, oh, so we can go fish the show to CBS, and I go, I said, You're damn right. Except CBS doesn't have any room for new shows next year. They don't even they're not even doing late night anymore, which was a Colbert reference. Yeah, yeah. And then the next week was when Kimmel happened, and so they go, Well, what about ABC? And I go, There you go. Except ABC doesn't want to do variety anymore. And I look at the audience and I go, and after this week, it looks like they're not doing late night either. And like the audience totally picked up on it, and they just applauded that when I said so. It was kind of it was kind of nice, yeah um, being able to, but it was just very it held up a mirror to what we were dealing with. Like, you know, the song remains the same. Yep. And and um, so it no, it was nice, and it was I I appreciate everybody who came to it. It was a fun experience. Again, it was just a tsunami of a great play, great director. I have to give like a big shout out to David Ratliff, who is just the man when it comes to directing. He's you know, I first met him when he was just a kid, he was like early 20s, right? And I had done a few shows with him and and him directing, and then to come and do this four 14 years later since the last thing we did together, and and it just the process with always still the same. I enjoyed the shit out of it. Yeah, I'm glad you did. It was it was a good time.

SPEAKER_03

I enjoyed the shit out of it and it still casts. It doesn't top clue, right? But that's just because I just love all of that, no matter what.

Stage Life: Laughter on the 23rd Floor

SPEAKER_01

For me, every show is different. Yeah, you know. Oh, sure. Clue holds a special spot for me, yeah. And and and this one holds a special spot too. So yeah, it should. But it also was to me, it was like you run in your practice, consuming. Yes, it was. It and I to though it was one night my staff came to see it. Oh, okay. And I told them, I said, I'm not paying you if it feels like you spent a day at work. Okay, because that's what it's gonna feel like. Yeah, and so I was appreciated, I appreciated that they came to see it. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you guys came and everyone uh you know, everyone really enjoy it. So um, but yeah, so that was the big thing that was going on, and then during that time, Virginia and went off to hike in the Dolomites with her sisters and her mother. So sad. I know, you weep for them, don't you? And um, and then um after the show wrapped, then we went to northern Italy for 10 days, and the it's it's a whole different vibe than southern Italy. I gotcha. It's um we went to an area just outside of Milan called Piedmont, and then more specifically a region called Alba, which ironically is the Gallic word for Scotland. Interesting. Yeah. So already we're tied into a couple things, but it's where they make their Barolla wines. Nice uh all the Nebbiola grape and everything like that. And so, interesting fact to our listeners, Nebbiola is Italian for cloud, and it's because like we would wake up in the morning and like literally you could see the cloud or the fog below us coming up into the mountains, and over the day, you know, we went to Lake Como and there's the fucking Alps, and it just it was just beautiful, it was very relaxing. Not a lot of tourist stuff you needed to do. Well, yeah, I would think that that would be better. So we got to pace ourselves, yeah. Yeah, I just yeah, yeah. To me, that's it was a very relaxing vacation. Yeah. Pictures were phenomenal. Thank you. Yeah, um, that was a good time, and we had a great time, and and and we needed it too, because we just, you know, she was off doing the hike, and I'm doing the play, and you just you kind of disconnect a little bit during that time.

SPEAKER_03

And so it was great to really easy to disconnect. It really is scary. We could do a whole episode on that, yeah, not even wanting to, right? You know, it just happens, and just it does. It's just uh so you have to have those moments just being like, Look, I see you. Right, yeah, and this is coming from the divorce guy, right? Exactly. But I mean, it's just like uh, you know, I I see you like I and and have that moment of apology and and having that minute of just coming together. I mean, yeah, if you don't have that, man, then you're sunk.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, no, I know it. I mean, there are just times where it's like I may be immersed, my head may be in a different headspace on something, and I'd be like, honey, I love you. I am telling you right in my head, I am fucking the shit out of you right now. I'm telling you that, but right, but but but outwardly, I am just kind of in a sh in a weird shutdown mode, you know. And so just bear with me for a hot minute, you know.

SPEAKER_03

And so it's it's that's one thing I've I've I've had to do with CJ of just it's like, look, man, the the batteries if I'm quiet, it's not because I don't want to talk or there's something wrong. It's just like I I need some silence.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

No, I mean how how good of a communicator were you in your first marriage? Not as good as I should have been, yeah, but also I never I never appreciated what came back to me when I was actually being communicated.

SPEAKER_01

Was it difficult to communicate with her?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah, that's how it was for me. And so it was just so It's like, what's the point? You're not listening to it. You're not gonna listen, yeah. Yeah, and that I mean I'm not I'm I'll be the first one to say I mean I fucking quit. Like I just like it was easier for me to shut the fuck up and just go through the motions than to say something, and I didn't have the energy to to do that. Right. I just some of that.

SPEAKER_01

So after your daughter graduates from high school, we will do that episode. Yes, sir. We will talk about divorce. Yes, sir. And uh I'm looking forward to it. No, it's it's a set like when Virginia and I got together, like the the first rule I made for myself is one full transparency, and two, just full-blown communication.

SPEAKER_03

Yep, and that I did the same shit. I told CJ immediately, I was like, whether you like it or not, if something's going on, I'm not I'm not pulling any like I'm blunt force trauma right in between your eyes. I'm not hiding shit. Right, it doesn't matter what it is. And she's like, hell yes. And and she's been the same way and the rest is history, but just I I've been but I've been more amazed about just how easy it is than anything. Like I don't have to think, I don't have to second guess or think, or if I have to word it a little bit to get my point across, or none of it.

SPEAKER_01

It's just like, hey, hey, it's good because you don't let it fester.

SPEAKER_03

Correct. Oh, if you let that shit fester, it's just it's the worst. You're hurting both people. Absolutely. You know, it's not just uh, you know, you think you think you're protecting that other person, or you're like, man, I don't want to bring this up because of this, that, or the other. Yeah. It's just making things worse. Yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, uh, so to roll back, so we reconnected, and uh now she's gone on a business trip for this whole week. Oh my god, the world traveler. The cat is just gonna fucking disown her in a big ass way.

SPEAKER_03

It's gonna well, I don't either that or you're gonna have to get them in their own room.

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I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03

When I'm gone for that long with my cat, man, he goes nuts, man. It's a little nuts.

SPEAKER_01

He was Dawg was kind of shitty when we got back. Right. Really, yeah. Just kind of like fuck you to Virginia, yeah. It was kind of a few days.

SPEAKER_03

Complete bitchiness.

SPEAKER_01

It took it was a few days. Because also she had been gone for two weeks before that. You know, who the fuck are you? Yeah, exactly. So and then we had um we celebrated uh Max's 18th birthday this past weekend. Fantastic. Yeah, had uh they had a slumber party, and their friends are just sweet as hell, and they're very nice and polite and everything, and and so we got that done. And uh, and yeah, so Virginia's out and then Jacqueline started uh medical school this past summer. That's so awesome. And uh we have her white coat ceremony this Saturday down in Spartanburg, and uh that's just awesome. It is, it's great. Um you know, she she sometimes has talked to me on the phone, just like complaining about how hard it is. I go, Jacqueline, it's fucking medical school. Like it's people, it's people's lives here. Yeah, okay. It's the you know, I would show you some grace if it were dental school. I would show you a little grace, yeah, you know, but like this this is medical school. You need to know your shit. You gotta know your shit on this. So but she's doing pretty well, she really enjoys it. She's so awesome. Yeah, so it's it's good fun.

Travel, Reconnection, And Quiet Distance

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, uh, it's either med school or law school, and then you're really fucking with people, yeah. Yeah, pretty much so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um so yeah, that's that's been the long and short of kind of the activities in our world. And uh um meanwhile, the the world has just turned itself sideways in so many different ways.

SPEAKER_03

It's it's wild, man.

SPEAKER_01

I you know, I where do you want to begin with it? Well, I and and you know, we I posted this online and I've shared this with David. Like, we I started putting together like an actual list of things we we should probably talk about. Um, and as I'm putting together this list, it sounds like we didn't start the fire. Yeah. Um because because that's I mean, everything it was something else. Yeah, add it to the list. But I'm actually gonna start mid. I'm not gonna go in chronological order here because I really do want to get your spin on this. Okay. What is your thoughts about the Philadelphia Karen? The Philadelphia Karen.

SPEAKER_03

Do you know you know who about that went and grabbed? To the dad and grabbed grabbing baseball.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so the story is, guys, if you don't know if you don't know who the Philadelphia Karen is.

SPEAKER_03

Um I think it's atrocious on what she did. Yeah. I and even more so even after the fact, because they they still you know, Philly fans are ruthless anyway, no matter what's going on. I have no idea what you're talking about. Right. And and so she didn't make matters any better by getting in other people's faces and flipping them off and getting in their faces after they were expressing their opinion about the shittiness in which she did things. Sure. But I do not feel like she should have lost her fucking job and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know if that's entirely true.

SPEAKER_03

I think that's that's that just never that never happened.

SPEAKER_01

I I every time I've read that, like I vetted it elsewhere, and it's like, no, that's okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I I just saw well, I mean, but even still of finding out who you are, where you live, what you live.

SPEAKER_01

The minute the minute they find out who she is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I mean, like, even if like we interviewed her for something, right? We would see her and be like, where do I know you? Yeah. Like, oh yeah, you're the one that just snapped in the middle of a baseball game because a dad gave a ball to his son. And the other piece I didn't like about it is the dad just like here.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Rewarding the bitch.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That made me more mad than anything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I would have if I had been the dad, I told her to go fuck herself.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, or give her a damn twenty dollar bill and say, go buy a baseball that you can buy in the gift shop.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Like, you can get them. It's just the baseball. You know, granted, if it was, you know, Hank Aaron's 715. Right, yeah, no, I'm sure that carries a little value. You're right, I get it. But just some random ass home run from a dad given, I mean, you're not, you're seeing, you didn't have your hands on it. Yeah, yeah. And then the dad just like, here, son, and you're gonna get pissed about that, right? Like, what the fuck? What kind of entitlement is that shit?

SPEAKER_01

That's just again, it is it, it is, I think, the meanness that has enveloped our American culture. And which I guess this sets itself up for a segue, you know, but we'll get to that in a minute. But but it it's you know, it's and it's funny too, because like you look at pictures of her and you just know. You just I mean, there's something about the Karen that you just know and uh again, apologies to all real Karen's out there who are stuck with this. I mean, I'm sorry, it it is what it is, you know. Um I'm sure people What's the male version?

SPEAKER_03

Is there a male version? I think they've said Ken.

Communication, Divorce, And Repair

SPEAKER_01

I think they said the name is Ken, but I don't know. You say Ken and I think metrosexual guy. Yeah, I'm thinking Barbie Ken. Yeah, right. That's what I think of. Yeah. I don't know. All right. Well, so anyway, um, but uh yeah, that's no, I just think it's again a mirror to just how broken down our society has become and how impolite we've become to each other and everything. And I guess that um I mean there's zero empathy in the world, right? No, there totally is. There totally is right now. Zero. Right. With anything. Yeah. And that takes us to Charlie Kirk. Oh, geez, that's quite the transition. Well, I mean, it's it's I think it's a watershed moment.

SPEAKER_03

It was awful. Yeah. I mean, the from one of of seeing it, it just being that easily visible was Did you actually watch the video?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I have too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Uh unf I don't I mean, it's like it's I mean, quite literally watching a train wreck. I mean, it's like you can't take your eyes off of it. Right. I I've seen it from every fucking angle. The only the only time I've stopped is like when it's followed up with like some sort of conspiracy of whatever, this whatever. You know, I was just like, oh well fuck, I'm I'm out. But you know, that that day of and the two to three days after, or that week, quite frankly, I mean I was honestly, I was just appalled at the response of after it happened from Bosa. Yeah. And it was it seemed like one side was I I'm gonna take full advantage of a martyr, which I I I could not stand. But then the other side of like, you know, when you have TikToks and people celebrating it and and finding different ways Yeah, well the people who celebrate that, fuck them.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's where I stand on that. That is there is no place for that.

SPEAKER_03

Zero. I know but it was disgusting to me, like how how much it was. Right. Like I like onesies and twosies, okay, I get, but it wasn't that. I mean, it was a lot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, you know, let me be very clear on this. I do not support political violence in any way, shape, or form. This is not the answer. I am not gonna eulogize. I'm not gonna eulogize Charlie, I'm not gonna eulogize Charlie Klerk Kirk either. That's fine. I mean, but but I and and uh because I mean I'm sure there are plenty of people on the left that you know somebody would love to get a crosshairs on as well. I mean, um but but that is not the answer. Um but I agree with you. I don't think violence, period. Every everyone's political. Just tried to turn this into something that it wasn't entirely, and it was like the the the alleged shooter at this point in in custody, you know, it's okay. I'm I'm sorry he wasn't some fucking leftist radical Antifa guy, like he was he grew up in uh a a Utah home, religious home on the right, you know, and everything like that. And and the fact that everyone was searching for it to be there were people who wanted it to be somebody something else that fit their narrative.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't. No. No matter what absolute tragedy that happens in this country, yeah, both sides are holding their fucking balls, praying that it's something that is stereotyped to the other side. Yes. And they're not even looking at the fact of what the actual tragedy is anymore. And that is where we lose your empathy that we were just talking about. Exactly. Everyone just is holding their balls like, please be a transgender, political, violent motherfucker, and then the other side is like, please be a redneck, red hat wearing some bitch. Yeah. Or the the quote unquote Nazi. Right. That's all we're looking for now. And now that we're there, I thought maybe uh uh a death of actual murder on live television, live television and streaming would have calmed it down, but somehow it's made it worse. I hate it for his wife and his children.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. They were there, they were there. Like they that is they will be dealing with that. I mean, Jeff, you and I are opinionated.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I mean, a lot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Really? But you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't deserve for us to be murdered. No, exactly. Right. Right. Like and can you imagine if we were and you go to social media finally, and our loved ones are seeing someone dance about it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's where we're at.

SPEAKER_01

That's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like, fuck.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So, yeah. I I mean, so I um shocked that it happened. Well, surprised. No, it was going to happen someday to somebody. Sure, it always has. Regardless of what side you're on.

Culture Flashpoint: “Philadelphia Karen”

SPEAKER_03

It goes back to the Billy Joel thing. Like, it always has. There's always been it hasn't stopped and it will never stop. Right. But it just it just fucking infuriates the shit out of me that something like that can happen. Right. It's just like, woo-hoo, about Tom. Right. You know, that type of shit. Like, come on. Yeah. That's a fucking human life. You it's a human life, dude. Like, you may not agree, but fucking walk away and be like, man, that guy was an asshole and be mad.

SPEAKER_01

I'll tell you, I whenever I see JD Vance speak, and he's just he's had a way of presenting himself that he's very condescending. And why like when he talks, I just want to punch him in the fucking face. I really do. I just I cannot stand his smug, you know. Well, did you see the thing between him and George Stephanopoulos? I did. Uh yeah. I mean, so that it's just like, you know, I kind of like the way Stephanophilos kind of just shut him down and just said, Look, I asked you the question, we have it on tape. You didn't answer the question, so okay, we're moving on. Yep.

SPEAKER_03

So, um, and that's ABC's not doing anything for themselves. Even when George Stephanopoulos does stuff like that, even though you want to punch JD Vance in the face, the more that they keep doing this shit, yeah, the greater the divide gets. Oh, sure, sure. It's just blows my fucking mind.

SPEAKER_01

Well, and then and then kind of uh going hand in hand with the Charlie Kirk incident is of course the Jimmy Kimmel um situation.

SPEAKER_03

Why should Jimmy Kimmel even bring it up?

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's part though of what their monologues have always been, and I have played the monologue a few times, and I'm like I'm not seeing what was said that was. It's nothing.

SPEAKER_03

It's minimal. It really was.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, there was nothing, but and again, I get it. Next star is in a position to buy out this other company somebody.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Like, you know what? Why don't we just not talk about this particular thing? Trump's giving you plenty of fucking material. Oh, yeah, no, he does. So don't not even just don't even talk about it. Yeah, you don't have to make any type of reference about it, other than I'm sorry the dude lost got shot in the fucking neck. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think kind of some sort of iteration of that was articulated. He, you know, of course, we do not believe in political violence and yada yada yada.

SPEAKER_03

But I think what got him in trouble is he talked about Disney and ABC are the most canceling motherfuckers on both sides that I've ever seen in my life. Like, hey, let's blame Trump. Well, ABC's the one that fucking did it. Yeah. I mean, they've shut down Roseanne. They shut down the Gina Carino girl. Oh, yeah, that yeah, from Mandalorian. Yeah, right. Yeah. And then now a side the sudden the pendulum swings that they're canceling it. Like they're the worst. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They um so I I kind of feel hand in hand with Charlie Kirk that Kimmel was also kind of a little bit of a watershed moment because you had everybody from both sides. I mean, Tucker fucking Carlson making comments about free speech and yeah, because he got fired for it. You know, I mean, it's like you cannot you can't do shit like this, you know. I mean, and and uh Meghan Kelly. I mean, like I mean, everyone kind of I mean Kimmel also.

SPEAKER_03

The list of right-wing people of screaming free speech because I got fired is a long fucking list.

Political Violence And Outrage Dynamics

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and so and like it's amazing to see how many people actually rallied to Jimmy's cause, you know. So um I don't agree with it either. Yeah. It's but but it was more than just what he said. It was this was backroom machinations because there's a business deal and a merger going on. It's exactly what happened to CBS and Paramount, um, with regards to Colbert and all of that, and like they just they had to keep everybody happy so that Trump and the government would let these mergers go through, otherwise, they're not gonna happen, and it's all backroom deals. And and I I the more I see all of that going on, the more I'm like, we really it is just one big glorified episode of The Apprentice, and it's all you're fired. I mean, it's all just who can we fire and who can this and that, and I bring you a bad labor report. Oh, I fire you over that. I mean, I'm sorry, the facts don't fit your narrative. Yeah, you know, I mean, inflation still sucks. You haven't done shit about that. And I mean, it's it's everything is still spensive. We just said that earlier, you know. I mean, it's it's and it's like okay.

SPEAKER_03

Look, the last what five presidents, six presidents, there's the debt's gotten bigger and things are more expensive. Yep. Like, it doesn't matter if it's right or left. Again, I'm right. I'm getting on here like I I hate 'em all. There there hasn't been one solid thing that's been like, oh wow, thank you, government. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Like no, I can't think of anything.

SPEAKER_03

I can't what's the last one?

SPEAKER_01

I can't think of anything.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly. And now we're out here killing each other over it. Right. What a f wake the fuck up. Yeah. So it ticks me off that something that like ABC slash Disney slash ESPN will they're they have been the sole person of canceling uh as far as a conglomerate goes. I mean canceling it no matter who the president is. Right. And you know, it's just as much on them as it is on trying to get approval from Orangehead. You know what I mean? They still have the decision.

SPEAKER_01

I still know the art of the deal, David. I know it. I'm the best, I'm the most perfect president ever.

SPEAKER_03

Perfect example. We're getting hostages brought back after two years. Right. Obama's on X talking about how awesome it is. Gives an ability to like, hey, left and right, we can kind of talk about this and become one. No fucking mention of the administration doing their part. Right. No, and I and I will I don't blame him because it's not like he's getting roses.

SPEAKER_01

No, I mean, seriously. I mean, all Trump has done is shit on everything Obama's done. Right.

SPEAKER_03

But it's like, okay, we have an we have this ability to be the bigger man. Right. Because it's something that's awesome. It is. No, it is.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, fucking fantastic. Yes, mad props to him.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I will give him mad props.

SPEAKER_03

No one's, you know, no one says anything.

SPEAKER_01

Like, mm-mm. Too bad it didn't happen two months ago. You might have gotten that Nobel Peace Prize.

SPEAKER_03

Well, yeah. But I mean, granted.

SPEAKER_01

Put it in your net application package for next year.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. But I mean, deep down, I'm I'm truly hoping this guy was actually doing it to bring home loved ones, not just because he wanted a Nobel Peace Prize.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I said deep down. I really don't know because there is a part of me that I don't think there motivates him too much, other than a huge streak of self-interest.

SPEAKER_03

But if people that were in a hostage for over two years get home because of it, then so be it. Like, is he the last egomaniac that's been in the White House? Oh no. No, but I'm just I I know. I mean, I'm not, and I'm not supporting him. I'm just it's one of those things that's just like I really wish that again, what we've always said to each other, let's call a spade a spade. Sure. And you can't do that anymore. Yeah. That's not politically correct.

SPEAKER_02

I know.

SPEAKER_03

Well, okay, let's call a heart a heart. Is that one good?

SPEAKER_01

I guess we could. Okay. Or diamond a diamond.

SPEAKER_03

Let's do that. You call a diamond a diamond.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

And when it's not a diamond, we shouldn't call it a diamond. Right. I just it freaks me. Another one, like uh RFK Jr. being RFK Jr., you know, one thing seems logical, the next thing is like, whoa, you're batshit crazy. But just the fact You lost me at the one thing seems logical. Well, you know, he he does back up stuff with tests if you want to ever go like down that rabbit hole. But the last one about Tylenol. Like, so then you get but then you get on social media and women are like shoveling handfuls of Tylenol Just because he said Tylenol's like just the spiding and and really truly harming themselves over it.

Late-Night Fallout, Free Speech, Mergers

SPEAKER_01

It's like what are you doing? So now I come at you with some medical education and everything like that. So Tylenol has never been uh produced what we call teratogenic effects. And actually it is when someone's pregnant, like you're they're to avoid ibuprofen, you know, and and that drug for uh as much as they can because it does have effects on the baby. Um I I the joke that I have put on the socials has been I think only thing that Tylenol does is make the baby want to see the Epstein files. So and uh but um yeah, I mean it's but that's but that's though where we're at with our information cycle, also is just someone can spew some ridiculous nonsense and all of a sudden it is gospel, and there is there's a group out there that will seize that and say, see, see, we knew, we knew, we knew Taiwan all the whole time it was you know causing problems and everything like that. I have friends who have autistic children, and um, you know, it I have learned with them to be very careful about entering this debate because my minimal research into vaccines trump it does not trump their life experience having a child that then one day got the MMR vaccine and then a week later went completely nonverbal. Um That's really yeah Wow Yeah, yeah, and then so Holy shit, how old um when that happened? I I don't know, two, I guess. What are so what's the age you get the MMR? Is it like a year and a half, two, something like that? Um Damn, that's crazy. So here's what I think. I think that, and you know, we'll not see research on this anytime soon, but I think that there is a gene trigger that predisposes individuals to autism. Like I said, that can be triggered by probably some of these vaccines. Um I don't think the vaccines cause I think the vaccines trigger something.

SPEAKER_03

Right. So my thing is is like, yeah, we we put the camera in front of their face and he just says he says stuff. Yeah, but I go back to like the root cause of it, like, yes, okay. We we can all agree that allergies and autism has spiked extra men, sure, you know, just like from after Gen X. Like it's just went crazy.

SPEAKER_01

It's because motherfuckers didn't know how to make their own craft macaroni and cheese by the age of five. That's why and you know what, and the other thing, Flintstone vitamins. Hey. Flintstone vitamins, my friend. Well, we're that's why we're gonna live forever.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Whatever they put in them things. Are they still selling those things? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. Seriously, man. Live forever.

SPEAKER_03

You can take these fucking things. If they're not, bring them back. Yeah. So anyway, but yes, but I mean, like, at least we're at least we're now like talking about it. Yeah. You know, maybe that's not the right dude to be talking about it, but at least it's being put in the forefront. But but again, we're so divided, it doesn't matter. The left is chasing Trump's tail. So it doesn't they're not coming up with any new policy other than he's terrible, he's ruining the country. They like Jeffries and Schumer, and like they're so far gone. Like, oh my god. But then when the Trump Trump side does anything, whether it's right or wrong, like no one cares. Like it there's this the wall that he has built on the border is just as much prevalent between the two parties than ever.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. I I would say he has been the thing that has been that has put up the final rows of bricks to have the wall between both sides. I think that wall though has existed for a long time because both sides are guilty of it. It's like Oh, yeah, it's terrible. Oh, see what they're doing. Oh, ignore what we're doing.

SPEAKER_03

Government shutdowns prime example. Oh, yeah. The last one, the every the last time it came up, oh, like the Democratic Party was just losing their mind of like the world would come to an end if it have a government shutdown. Like, so we gotta figure out one way or another to do it. And then they're part of the problem of this one. It's just like it's so frustrating.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I wouldn't say they're part of the problem. I I don't see how they're part of the problem when the Republicans have the House, have the Senate. Still need the 60 votes. That's right. So they can do the nuclear option, they've got enough people where they could do away with the filibuster. The problem is they don't want to because the day will come will come when Democrats are holding the Senate and they'll have that narrow they won't have 60, and then it'll be like, oh well, they did it, so now we're gonna do it. I mean, it's just it's and that's the problem. That's the president's position.

SPEAKER_03

We're we're in, we're all we're currently in a reciprocal force. Right. You know, everything like free speech, they shut Trump down. You know, his uh figuring out the Letitia James of of her fraud, and then like she's just up there going, well, he's he's the one. I'm my sole job is to find out how he broke the law, and my job is to go after him. Like everything that they have done to Trump, he's just turning around doing it back.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

And it's and it's gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_01

So whoever wants So that so now that this this fire has been started, I mean, I just think everyone needs to be ready. It's like like the day that I'll I'll be bold to say this on air. Um, the day that that the left has the government again, I really think those complicit in letting him do the things that he's done, and that includes deploying troops to cities and stuff like that, because there's no place for that. Um I I think it should be the Nuremberg trials. I do. I just think I think there should they should be public trials for Pam Bondi and Christy Gnome, and and and I hate it because I think Christy Gnome's hot. I really do. I hate myself so much.

SPEAKER_03

But you really don't you you think that they're doing anything different than the predecessors?

Policy, Power, And Public Cynicism

SPEAKER_01

Um, I I don't know. I I will give the GOP their props in that they do it in the open. They are, I mean, it's like it's it's we're doing it, and what the fuck are you gonna do about it? That's that's where it's at. And and a long time ago, there was a part of me that always kind of hoped we'd be in a situation that was like that. And listen, I mean, as you know, in my adulthood, I there earlier in my adulthood I was Republican, and and and you know, now it's I've been clearly more Democrat than anything. But I don't I do I think either party is great. No, I think they all suck. I really do. I hate them all. Terrible. Hate them all. I do. I and you know when um what I love listening to on the podcasts that I listen to, particularly Pod Save America, but I listen to the weekly show with with Jon Stewart, and and sometimes I'll listen to the Midas Touch and everything like, but the people they have on, they don't pull punches when it comes to their own internal assessment of the Democratic Party. Like I I was listening to um Jon Stewart talk to um Ken Martin, who's the you know the DNC. Yep, and and he is he is hypercritical of of what the Democrats have done in the past. Yeah. And and you you know, the big one they keep coming back to, and this is one that will make my wife go 15 rounds with me, yeah, is when I talk about the 2016 election and the primaries for the Democrats and how the Democrats had their thumb on the scale so that Hillary could get the nomination. When Bernie Sanders was gaining momentum and he'd win states, but somehow this superdelegate thing made it so that she was still in the lead. But that's not a threat to democracy. It's not a threat to democracy. And and so but then but then the Democrats are all left scratching their heads. Well, how did we lose all the young people? Because all the young people wanted Bernie. And I keep and I keep saying this to my wife over and over again the conversation on Hillary Clinton being president should have ended in 2008 when she lost the primary. People don't like Hillary Clinton. I I respect and thank her for her service to our country, being a senator, being secretary of state, all that shit. But they gotta like you, and nobody has ever liked you. She is not Sally Field. She is not Sally Field. She's just not. Nobody likes her. Never has been, never will. No.

SPEAKER_03

And so and and And the American people hate it when something gets shoved down their throat.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Period. It doesn't matter what it is. It could be it it doesn't matter what it is.

SPEAKER_01

I don't have this on the list, but let's touch on it. So what do you think about Kamala Harris's wine fest of a book?

SPEAKER_03

What a dumbass. Yeah, right. Are you kidding me? Who are these PR companies that allow this shit? Like, is it just not vetted? Like, is it just like, hey, just let her go out there and and fuck up? Let's just have her do this book tour so we don't have to deal with her anymore.

SPEAKER_01

Right, yeah. She's, I mean, it's Are you kidding me? Yeah. Like, talk about sour grapes. Unreal.

SPEAKER_03

I mean blame everyone but your fucking self.

SPEAKER_01

Look, I get it. She was behind the eight ball from day one. Absolutely. And I agree that there were higher-ups in the Biden regime that did not make this, should have made this call earlier, should have told their boy, hey, look, you kind of said you were going to be a one-term president. You know? Yeah, no, and it should have been done and done the right way. Done the right way, and there should have been a primary.

SPEAKER_03

If you had, if the dem you, I'm just saying, if the Democratic Party would have done that, you would have won in a landslide. Probably, yes. You would have had the right person at the right time to beat an old chairman.

SPEAKER_01

And listen, I stand by, I feel she ran an impeccable campaign for the 107 days she had to do it. I think her only gap. I think, well, that's true. The only gap she made was what she said on the view. I really feel that's the only real ver that fucked her a little bit.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and then saying that she wasn't any control of the fucking border, which was a big hot button.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, nobody wants to hear that shit. You know, I mean fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_03

When it's a hot button, you want to hear that. Yeah. And then when she says, like, oh, it wasn't me, like, bitch, like they said you were. Let's go back to the tape. You know, you know, you were you were down there like down there, you know, because remember AOC went down there when president was Trump and started crying at a fake fence. Yeah. Yeah. About how awful the border was.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, that did happen.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, no, I mean it's um I haven't really skimmed the book or anything like that, or or like I don't want to. I I I'm I thought I might want to. The more I hear about it, the more I'm like, I don't think.

SPEAKER_03

The worst thing though about the VP pick. It's like, oh, I didn't pick uh the transportation guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's gay.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I I I mean, among many things that I mean, I'm at the point, and I've said this, and this infuriates Virginia as well, is look, the country's not ready for a woman president. I'm sure they're probably not ready for a gay president.

SPEAKER_03

You know, see, I I totally disagree about the woman president thing. Our two options have been Hillary Clinton and Kamala.

SPEAKER_01

You'd given me Amy Clob Klobichar, I would have been all in. I loved her.

SPEAKER_03

That's what I'm saying. Like she's a hard ass bitch. I don't to say the country's not ready for it, I feel is horseshit. But I just saw women for my use of the B word there, but I mean respect. I don't think the right candidate has come forward. Yeah. I mean I mean, seriously, who was the uh Palin?

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, I know. She was well, I would say she denied her village her idiot, but she was governor of Alaska, so they had their idiot.

SPEAKER_03

But I mean, those have been the three prominent, like the closest.

SPEAKER_01

Everyone forgets about Geraldine Ferrero, but you were very young at the time, but I don't remember it. But but like she really paved the way.

SPEAKER_03

She was So when you say what what year was that though?

SPEAKER_01

That was 1984. Mondale, he got clobbered. One only Minnesota and District of Columbia. Like, you want to talk about Reagan in a landslide. That was 1984.

SPEAKER_03

So it at that point then it didn't matter who you who you put up.

SPEAKER_01

But it was very progressive that he did that. And yeah, she's tough as nails. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But so I mean, though so those have been the options. So I I don't feel that the country is not ready for that. I just feel like we we need the right person. Right, exactly. And but but her people that vote for her are not wanting to hear that you didn't do something just because they're gay. Right. Like that goes against everything that you normally try to.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm I'm just hoping But then you pull out somebody like like Waltz, who is the most feminine. He's a good man. But he comes across as extremely feminine. He's like the Mr. Rogers of politics.

SPEAKER_02

Mr. Rogers. Looks like the Brawny guy compared to fucking Vance. Yeah, I mean, not Vance, but Waltz.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, that's fucking man. But still that is just brilliant.

SPEAKER_03

But for real. Like he like doing the jazz hands and like everything that like, oh man, like he screamed.

SPEAKER_01

I think he did everything to play to the Democratic base. I really did. I think some of that truly is him, but I also think he did everything he could to do this by the numbers, paint by numbers, you know. But it wasn't perfect.

SPEAKER_03

I honest to God, I would have loved it if you're gonna have to be the unicorn clouds.

Health Myths, Vaccines, And Nuance

SPEAKER_01

I would have loved if he were the candidate for president. I could have lived with that more than her. Oh no. You don't think so? Really?

SPEAKER_03

I can't imagine Trump debating that guy. I think he would have eaten him for fucking lunch.

SPEAKER_01

He was more focused on they're eating the dogs and the cats and the people who live there.

SPEAKER_03

Again, immigration was a hot button. And he found anything and everything he could.

SPEAKER_01

No, I mean, because the big the big thing in all of these, again, the post-mortems that all the left-leaning journalists and everything have talked about, and and it all comes down to this, and this is another one for some reason my wife and I go a few rounds over. But it I think it's really the epicenter of all of it. It's it's the Democratic Party has been so big on telling everyone what we need, as opposed to listening to the voters saying this is what we want, you know. And so it's been but the Democrats don't want to listen. That's how they've alienated minorities, how they've alienated the working people.

SPEAKER_03

Comes across as elitism.

SPEAKER_01

It really does. And and for them to sit here and go, Well, you don't understand how it is we lost, and you know, I mean, part of it is, and with all deference and due respect to my mother-in-law, the boomers gotta get out of it. That it it their time is done. This the as Blue Esther Colt sings, this ain't the Garden of Eden, and there ain't no angels above, and things aren't how they used to be, and this ain't the summer of love. And so, you know, all of you who marched in the 60s and everything like that, that was great. You know, hope you're wearing flowers in your hair in San Francisco and all that shit. But I mean, time to step aside and let the kids run run the show for the Democratic Party. And that's and then they just have a heart like you got Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, who I just despise both of them. Oh, with every they're just a mockery of what what the party could be.

SPEAKER_03

They're just a mockery of politicians. They are, they really are. Period. Yeah. You could slap a D on their inner name or an R. It's the same shit. Yeah. But but yeah, they're they're up there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I warn them to go away.

SPEAKER_03

I mean they've been spewing the same crap for decades.

SPEAKER_01

And that's the other problem, is that they haven't changed any of their messaging. It's all stale.

SPEAKER_03

No, they and you're getting fucking mega rich off of it.

SPEAKER_01

Right, exactly, but you're not winning elections or anything like that, and the rest of the country is suffering suffering. Well, yeah, they are.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they don't give a fuck. I mean, they don't. You know they don't. I mean, fuck, wasn't Nancy Pelosi like on like some late night show of like showing how much ice cream she had in her freezer during COVID? I don't remember that. Yeah I I'll have to research the video, but yes, she's like showing off how awesome her kitchen is and opening up her freezer of just her little specialty ice creams and shit, during which time people are out there furloughed trying to figure out how they were going to survive COVID. It's like, okay. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we about covered this entire list of topics. You know, we really did. Like I think we were I'm surprised we did it in under an hour.

SPEAKER_03

Well, well, I am too, but I each each topic kind of fed the next one. Well, yeah, we but yes, and but it could each whatever part of the tentacle you want to go down. Oh, yeah, no, though.

SPEAKER_01

What tributary of the rabbit hole you want to change? Because it does, it leads to all kinds of shit. My God.

SPEAKER_03

Um I like the spirited discussion. I do like the spirited discussion. It was great. Uh you know, what a fucking concept. Somebody that is Democrat to somebody that uh I don't know what you want to call me. Uh I'm I'm hopeless. No. I'm center rightish, you know.

SPEAKER_01

No, I I am not. I have I say But at least we talk to each other. I exactly you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

No matter what the telephone, I don't I don't get so mad at you for disagreeing with me to where I want to like the arm.

Parties, Primaries, And Leadership

SPEAKER_01

I've got a fraternity brother who is just right of the Bircher Society, you know? And and he's a bigot, and I have known that the entire time up since college, and I am still friends with him, and it's been difficult, you know. Um he can't he came through town uh two years ago and we went out to dinner, and I just said, look, let's put the politics aside, let's just catch up and everything like that. And then the last five minutes I said, okay, let's go. You took that pie out of the trivial pursuit. Uh yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, I mean, so I don't know if our political differences have affected our relationship on a macro level. I just don't, you know, talk to him as much as I used to. But I mean um I don't want that. I I accept the fact that for given where I live, I'm in the minority here. I I, you know, so I don't gay engage all that much. I try, you know, like there to be sometimes with patients because you know, we talk about 10 care and it's Medicaid, and we talk about the budget fight and everything like that. And I say, look, I don't want to get all political here because you know everyone leans in different directions and what your feelings are on this. But you know, for a patient who's on Medicaid, I don't think it matters what their politics are, they're worried about their funding getting stripped for all of that, you know. I think I think I think if there's anything like with you know, kind of moving away from being able to talk to each other, I think the big ticket item like on this budget fight, I think I think everyone needs to think very carefully about this healthcare funding and everything because this is a big fucking deal. Yes, like people are looking at seeing their insurance rates going but premiums going up by 75%. It's gonna be crippling to people.

SPEAKER_03

One of the biggest hot buttons outside of immigration was just cost of living.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And right, you know, there were a lot of promises made. Yep. Now, granted, he's done a bunch of shit in a short period of time, which is crazy to me, because it's actually been done, good or bad. But if those things don't start happening, it's gonna be a problem. I'm talking inflation, I'm talking health care, like all these things of the America first push, if it doesn't start happening, it's I think it's just gonna get really bad.

SPEAKER_01

Here's what I think is happening. I think a distraction game is being played, and our country is just being stripped for parts by the billionaire oligarchs. And I think when it's all done, we're gonna be our United States is gonna be on four cinder blocks. Oh, well, I mean, I'm and I'm hoping that I'm retired living in Europe at that point.

SPEAKER_03

You know, I mean, I hope not. If that's the case, Europe's gonna be awful too.

SPEAKER_01

No, it'll make everybody on a macro level. Yeah, but uh yeah, I'll save that for the next episode. Remind me that I that I brought in Europe on this because I we'll save this for the next episode. Sure. Um, just things that I've noticed as I've traveled overseas. But um, I don't know. I mean, I just I I feel like care for the overall American people is not at the forefront of people's minds, politicians' minds, both right and left.

SPEAKER_02

No, it hasn't been in a fucking forever.

SPEAKER_03

Like honestly. Who was the last president you really thought was just like doing anything and everything they could for the the m the people That's a long fucking pause before I was born. So you don't know if it's true.

SPEAKER_02

That's sad.

SPEAKER_03

Well, yeah, it's still the greatest country in the world. I mean, I I will firmly I mean, the fact that I'm able to sit down with you right now, making the salary that I make, having a nice little glass of maker's mark and talking to you and putting it. Having drained my entire big bottle of makers mark. Yeah, the second one, but we won't talk about the first one because no one ever talks about their first. But I mean and we're putting out our opinion uh out to the world. Sure.

SPEAKER_01

And opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them and they always but we're able to do it. We're able to do it. Right. And some people respond to that. I hope they do. Yeah, they should. But I mean we do. But this is the bottom line is that you and I can talk about this and we'll hug at the end of the day. And and I remember once I was in dental school and I was driving down to visit my first well when I was dating my first wife, uh, because she was still in college. And I'd caught this radio show, and it was um G Gordon Liddy. And um, and then one of the callers in was Timothy Leary. I rem I remember G. Gordon Liddy. And both Timothy Leary was going on about saying, Well, I'm looking forward to when we meet up in New Hampshire for the debate that we're gonna have and whatnot. And but it was here were two guys, opposite ends of the spectrum, friendly as hell, you know, and and they were saying we're gonna debate. You know what though?

SPEAKER_03

They were fighting for the people at that time. Yes, probably. We are now fighting for an ideology.

SPEAKER_01

I guess.

SPEAKER_03

It's true.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

We'd rather be right than wrong. And it's not we're I we'd rather be right than lose. Yes. Same thing. But yes. It sounds better that way, but you are correct. We'd better we would rather be right than lose. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It feels like my divorce. Really, it's a lot of that. There's so many parallels I can draw to that and what's going on today and how people argue and everything like that. And there's no intellectual conversation on things anymore. And and I mean, and it's not just right and left, it's you're dealing with, you know, old versus young. You know, the the Gen Zers like to retort by saying, Well, you're just old, you know. Right. Right. Yeah. I've lived a bit, you know, I've owned a business. I've God forbid, you've got to be a good one. You know, I've served in the military. Right. You know, I mean, I've got I've got some I've got a few nuggets of wisdom to share with you, you know. Yeah. And I still manage to fuck up along the way every step of the way. We all do. And you only learn by fucking up.

SPEAKER_03

Absolutely. So why do we fall down, Bruce?

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. Um, and um, so yeah, and yeah. Anyway. I know what, man. It is. It's a rough world out there. I think this is a good time for us to end part one. Part one. Part one. Part one done. Hey guys. Part two is where I'll just giggle constantly. Dave, I've so let's talk about what we've been drinking too. Oh, are you are you gonna like I'm gonna shame you a little bit?

SPEAKER_02

Are you gonna shame me? I am a little bit.

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SPEAKER_01

So I'm starting to shame my my pickled liver. I was lucky. I was very grateful that my friend Clarita Buffalo, who is uh not only my sales rep for Nashville Dental, but she is also a dear friend. Um, she gave me as a gift for opening night of the play. Nice uh a bottle of um Craigalachi. It's a spacide single malt scotch whiskey, aged 13 years, and it is really good. The spacesides and the highlands are the two, the two that I like the best. All right, dad. And um and so it is a pretty ass bottle. It is um well, back in the day I would have said be like a North Carolina sorority girl and that she goes down easy, you know. I apologize to all the women out there for that, but times were what times were, and I'm just living in the geist of the moment.

SPEAKER_03

No one's listening this late into our episode anyway. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, people have tuned out at this point. They're like next. So we're not getting canceled anytime soon. What have I made you drink today?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, well, I had uh the rest of the maker's mark. I did leave a gratuity for my. You did, I appreciate that. You didn't have to do that though. Well, but but now I'm on a uh I'm making him slum it now. A nip of a gentleman jack airplane bottle. Yeah. Followed by a I guess a double airplane. Uh I guess it's an old school pint. It may be. I don't know. It's not got an old school half pint. It's half pint of Jack Daniels. And if I get into that one, it'll be a split. I'll be spending the night here.

SPEAKER_01

You'll probably be spending the night here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I'll finish watching Monday Night Football. All right. That's why I'm wearing my uh my army gear. Falcons are playing. You told me they're gonna get the shit kicked out of me.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, they're they're fucking done. That'll save that for next next episode. All right then. Hey guys, we talked about a lot today. We talked about a lot on the national uh spectrum and everything like that. You know, it keeps it keeps rolling back to this. I mean, David and I are very blessed that we have differing uh political beliefs and whatnot, but we still love each other. We can still sit here and talk. Yes, you know, uh, he can drink my maker's mark without any kind of impunity.

SPEAKER_02

And uh gotta be good at something.

SPEAKER_01

So uh, but we would just I just implore everyone, and especially with just what has happened in the last three months, is I mean, again, people be decent to each other. Yes. Not too much to ask. Jesus. We'll talk to you in part two.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Cheers.

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