Ever felt drained from constantly giving yourself to the needs of others, even to the point of burnout? We've got Dr. Irene Cop, medical doctor, chiropractor and founder of the Success to Shift Institute, joining us to share her personal journey of overcoming catastrophic burnout following a deluge of life's curveballs and a near-fatal accident. She unveils how purpose-driven high achievers, particularly in healthcare, often find themselves drained from constant giving, while struggling with the perfectionism and how to identify hidden energy vampires that deplete them further.
The conversation takes an enlightening turn as Dr. Cop reveals the significance of transitioning from survival mode to healing mode while dealing with trauma. She sheds light on the physiological differences between the two modes and elaborates on creating routines to facilitate a quick shift to healing mode when required. But there's more, we also uncover the power of awakening awareness as a healing tool and explore the scientific aspects of creating a positive environment for future babies. Dr. Cop also introduces her resource-rich podcast, the Success Shift, which offers practical tips and insights to empower your personal transformation journey.
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Ever felt drained from constantly giving yourself to the needs of others, even to the point of burnout? We've got Dr. Irene Cop, medical doctor, chiropractor and founder of the Success to Shift Institute, joining us to share her personal journey of overcoming catastrophic burnout following a deluge of life's curveballs and a near-fatal accident. She unveils how purpose-driven high achievers, particularly in healthcare, often find themselves drained from constant giving, while struggling with the perfectionism and how to identify hidden energy vampires that deplete them further.
The conversation takes an enlightening turn as Dr. Cop reveals the significance of transitioning from survival mode to healing mode while dealing with trauma. She sheds light on the physiological differences between the two modes and elaborates on creating routines to facilitate a quick shift to healing mode when required. But there's more, we also uncover the power of awakening awareness as a healing tool and explore the scientific aspects of creating a positive environment for future babies. Dr. Cop also introduces her resource-rich podcast, the Success Shift, which offers practical tips and insights to empower your personal transformation journey.
Take the fertility quiz: https://www.healthyouniversity.co/fertility-quiz
Schedule a Fertile Health Assessment: https://www.healthyouniversity.co/your-fertile-health-call
Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.susan.fox/
Hello and welcome to Health University podcast, where we understand that you are both the ever learning students as well as the master of your health, and with the proper information and education, you can make the best choices for your transformation. I'm your host, dr Susan Fox. I'm a woman's health expert and specialist for more than 20 years in private practice and, having heard just one too many times the lament if I only knew when a woman is facing reproductive or personal health challenges I've decided that now is the time to bring together discussions on what it means and what it takes to live a healthy life. Health University brings guests of a variety of medical and healthcare experts, including MD, obgyns, reproductive endocrinologists, doctors of traditional and natural medicines such as Chinese Ayurveda, naturopathic physicians, doctors specializing in mind body health, pelvic floor specialists, nutritionists, psychologists, sex therapists, all of whom have pearls of wisdom that give you an edge on how to improve your whole health, your reproductive health, the health of your relationships, weaving together the whole cloth of what it takes to live a vital, healthy and happy life. So stay tuned, because class is about to begin.
Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to Health University podcast, where we are intending to give you the tools and support you need to enhance your understanding and knowledge of the University of you. And I have with me today Dr Irene Kopp, who is the founder of the Success to Shift Institute, and she is a medical doctor and a doctor of chiropractic, and she is on faculty for one of our programs called the your Fertile Health Program, and I'm so grateful for her support in that she's going to describe for us today what is shift and how you can implement it in your everyday life. It's not just a fertility endeavor, it's for every aspect of your life. So welcome, dr Irene.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me here, dr Susan. It is a total pleasure. Thank you Tell us about shift. So the Success Shift Institute was born out of my own catastrophic burnout and near-fatal car accident that nearly killed my young sons and myself.
Speaker 2:And when I say catastrophic burnout, it is that it's beyond burnout, really. And the definition of burnout, according to its originator, dr Freudenberger, as well as the World Health Organization, is that it's purely workplace related and only mental and emotional, whereas we know now, especially after the last few years, that it goes way beyond workplace, into our personal lives, right, in other words, it's really whenever you are overwhelmed by the deluge of life's curve balls, for instance, and it's like the mental and emotional is like the canary in the coal mine, it's the harbinger of more deadly things to come. And so catastrophic burnout, or flame out syndrome as I call it, is really where you have that severe health breakdown caused by, where you are literally running on empty. You've gone through survival mode and whether it's a sudden, overwhelming, just life comes crashing down, or whether it's just been too much for too long, right, you are running on empty and you got nothing left, right, and that is when your body starts breaking down, and how it breaks down is really what your weak link happens to be. For some people, it might be autoimmune conditions or, since we're on this podcast, it may be infertility issues.
Speaker 2:In my case, I developed a hidden physical condition that caused me to lose consciousness, unfortunately, while I was driving with my two young sons in the car, and we literally almost died. It could have happened while I was standing in my kitchen, right, and I would have just thought oh, I fainted and it would have been entirely different. However, as it was, I was lying in a hospital bed with 10 broken bones. My youngest son, who was four years old at the time, with a catastrophic brain injury, undergoing emergency life-saving surgery in a different hospital, couldn't see him because this was the first SARS, so we were on quatertine and they didn't know if he was going to live for the first month or so. And then, even after that, they said he was never going to walk again, never going to talk again, never pass high school, because he was literally missing about 20% of his brain due to this catastrophic brain injury.
Speaker 2:And I'm getting all this news while I'm lying literally flat on my back with 10 broken bones, not able to see my sons going crazy for fear and literally blubbering going why me? Why me? And part of that was the guilt, the shame, the remorse of almost killing my young sons. Forget my 10 broken bones. It was also why me, like I'm a doctor, I eat right, I exercise right, I'm a meditation instructor, I do yoga, I do everything quote right. So how did this happen to me?
Speaker 1:So that is the $10,000 question or more, and that you can now answer. How did this happen, what might have been signs that you could have recognized before, that you now can see very clearly and can teach others?
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. Because here's the thing I have a special passion for helping my peeps that I call purpose-driven high achievers. Mission-driven, in other words, we doctors, we healthcare professionals especially, but you could also say moms, dads, anybody who feels driven to help others, including their own family. What do we do? We just naturally give, give, give until we're blood dry. We sacrifice for the greater good. We believe in our mission so strongly that we keep pushing forward and at the same time, I recognize that there are hidden energy vampires that were literally sucking the life out of me when I didn't realize it, and part of that was my programming, the programming that had been downloaded into me saying thou shalt be perfect or don't bother showing up. Right, that I had to prove myself to be worthy. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Right? In other words, there's so much programming. Women were expected to give to others and soothe the waters and make sure everyone else's lives are just perfect, before we're allowed to be happy and look after ourselves.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, all of this programming running CEO level, executive businesses, professional businesses yes, Absolutely that, and reliving human body Exactly.
Speaker 2:And then I recognized the biggest energy vampire of all and that was past trauma. And yes, I had an abusive childhood, a traumatic childhood, because I had a father with PTSD From atrocities he experienced and witnessed in the army. And he did what any good soldier did at the time especially since it wasn't recognized at the time was that he self-medicated, sucked it up, took it like a man and cat, putting one foot in front of the other, and self-medicated with alcohol to drown the demons and calm the nightmares, and unfortunately took it out on his family. So I recognize that and now we also recognize that there's intergenerational trauma, where part of that programming that is downloaded into us as children also includes the trauma responses from all of our parents, our grandparents, whoever had a significant role in raising us, including adoptive parents and including our cultural lineage, that were being absolutely cultural or spiritual.
Speaker 1:There is that relationship as well that can be very influential, for better or for worse.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And so cultural lineage, as in programming. And again they now realize what I call epigenetic trauma, which is where they've realized that trauma changes the expression of your genetics Literally. And so it turns on inflammatory genes, cancer causing genes, disease causing genes. It turns off beneficial genes like anti-inflammatory genes, and so it literally not only can fear and other emotional responses be transmitted down through the generation. So if you ever have an irrational fear and wonder where it came from, could be this. And they also know that your risk for disease is increased, your risk for premature mortality is increased.
Speaker 2:So in my case, I'm the youngest of six kids, so I was the only one born after my father's traumatic experiences. So not only was there the my personal trauma from the living growing up in that household, there was the intergenerational trauma of my father's trauma responses and my mother had her own. That's a whole nother story, but just this is just a given idea. But on top of that I then inherited the trauma responses. So this is why I so often have clients who say I've never had trauma, so whether they truly believe that they live in a utopia and have never had any kind of trauma, which trauma simply means any time that your system. So it could be physical as well. You have felt overwhelmed, out of control, powerless, fearful, victimized by life. Right, that's why we keep going back to childhood, because when else are you in that place where you are the smallest creature around and at the mercy of all the big people, right? And you don't understand what's going on. So everything seems afraid. But on top of that, you may not even recognize that you have trauma.
Speaker 2:I did not recognize the personal trauma for years until I started helping other clients. Yeah, because it's like it was just the way it was. It was just the way it was and you know, because people didn't talk about it, they didn't use the term trauma, certainly not that. That was just dad, right. And you just learn to calibrate your responses and be hyper vigilant, because you never knew whether it was going to be daddy walking through the door or whether it was going to be the bear walking through the door, right? So I give these examples so that your listeners can get a sense of maybe, just maybe, this hidden energy vampire is at play in their life and maybe causing the physical symptoms that they may not be able to pinpoint, of what it is right, because that trauma, the hidden energy vampires drain what we call your adrenal energy right. That survival puts you into survival mode over and, over and over again, without you even realizing it, possibly, and on top of that you are. Then what's the word I'm looking for? Your weak link is what shows up.
Speaker 1:So I know you and I have had conversations as a power of that weak link, because we will do. That's the adaptive pattern of like okay, I've got this handled when we've really never gone in and addressed the wound. We've got a scar over the wound, but we haven't addressed the wound.
Speaker 1:And I would even venture to say you know you mentioned physical and physiological, but psychological right. We're in a time now where we know mental health is so delicate and so many people, I think, have either become traumatized or their historical trauma has been triggered by the events of the past few years, and some of just are existential issues that are out there across the globe. So it's what I'm getting from you is that if we're living, breathing human beings, there's probably some level of trauma that we can peek into and address, and there is no better time than now, not wait until evidence of the flame out or burnout or car crash or whatever, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Because, just as I had developed that hidden condition and didn't know about it. And you're absolutely right, mental and emotional health must be addressed. The reason I tend to highlight the physical is because there's still a shame and stigma around emotional and mental health challenges. So I'm on a mission to normalize the conversation and remove that shame and stigma by talking about what really matters, and that is that, no matter how it's showing up for you, there is hope and there is, there is help, right, and so that is the biggest way. And, yes, that weak link is how it shows up for you. I know preaching to the choir here. You know as well as I do.
Speaker 2:I have this pet peeve that talking about diseases and diagnoses doesn't matter. If I have dual doctor degrees, I fundamentally disagree with them because really, at the root of all of them is inflammation, for chronic I'm talking chronic conditions, whether they're mental, emotional or physical. And what is at the basis of that? What's causing the inflammation? Right, that's what we need to get down to. So everything else is just, how is it showing up in your body? The condition I developed was hypoglycemia, opposite of hyper, which causes diabetes. Right, mind was caused by adrenal exhaustion. Right, it's just how it showed up in my life.
Speaker 1:For somebody else, that same can show up, with hormonal imbalances leading to infertility or anxiety leading to insomnia, or just the wear and tear leading to a chronic low back pain or headache or something like that in the physical. Absolutely so for our listeners, I know you've got a deep, deep dive set of options and I want to invite and encourage you to share with us what those might be. But, as a brief takeaway today, what are some of the simple tools that we might be able to use, if there are any, to either kind of probe, identify and address and heal a trauma?
Speaker 2:That's a wonderful question, dr Susan. First and foremost, I always say awakening awareness is 80% of the battle and the solution. In other words, it's kind of like if you really want to have a clean house right, you have an area rug. Just doing a surface clean isn't really getting all the dirt. You have to lift the carpet to look underneath and go, oh my goodness, look at all that dirt. You don't spend hours going, oh my gosh, look at all the dirt here. Oh, how could I live like this? No, you just clean the dirt. In other words, that's the first step of the awakening awareness.
Speaker 2:Before that, I'm going to back up and say that's actually the second step. The first step is that you must shift out of survival mode into healing mode, or as I call, success mode. 360 degrees success, in other words. What does that 10 out of 10 look like in your health and energy, in your relationships, in your personal life and yes, in your career and wealth? Because if it's impacting you in one area, guaranteed it's impacting you and others. But the reason why I say you must shift out, it's physiologically impossible for you to be in survival mode, which is your sympathetic nervous system activation, versus your parasympathetic, which is your healing mode, your rest and digest mode, your creativity mode, and when you are in sympathetic, and when you are in that survival mode, your prefrontal cortex, your thinking brain, what I love to call your executive rock star team is wiped off line. And it's meant to be that way and you want it to be that way, because if you really are facing a life or death threat, that is not the time to be standing going.
Speaker 2:Let me think about this Should I run right now, or should I turn and fight? Or should I faint and play dead and hope they don't notice me? No, because you would be somebody's next, you know, a bear's next meal or something. Now, we all have our hardwired stress and survival responses that fit us physiologically. We're just like animals. A gazelle is hardwired to run. A honey badger turns and fights. A rabbit shivers in fear and paralyzes. A possum falls over and plays dead faint right, we are the same way.
Speaker 2:And because that thinking brain is wiped off line this is why people have so many challenges making change in their life or healing because you're throwing yourself into your in survival mode right, so you are. You're not thinking straight, you can't think logically, you can't think creatively, you can't make good decisions, you can't act on those good decisions and your emotions are running the show. So you're just a mess, right. So, very first is to shift out of survival mode, and you can do it in like 30 seconds or less, and I'm happy to, if we have time, to give you a demonstration of a couple of ways, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I think that these takeaways would be huge. But before we go there, I have a question on how do you and when do does one make the shift? Because, as you say, it's impossible to get there when you're in fight or flight. So do you recommend setting yourself up with particular times of the day, perhaps book ending, beginning the day and ending of the day, so you've got that muscle flexed, if you will, or ready to go Should you need it?
Speaker 2:Great question and great suggestion. You're absolutely right. When you are thrown into that hardwired stress and survival response that happens in milliseconds, there is no conscious thought of oh, here we go. In fact you're there before you even realize it. So the short answer in that time is as soon as you can right, as soon as that first inkling of awareness you know, do one of these modes. What you are suggesting is what we teach our clients to, which is build up that muscle memory as much as possible, because, guess what? The brown stuff is going to hit the fan, as it always does, and you may not have much control in that moment.
Speaker 2:Right, and the more muscle memory you have, the more these tools and techniques will become second nature to you, will become so hardwired in themselves that you can automatically go to them. So I always recommend creating rituals and routines around them, and one of those, as you said, bookending before you. You know, the instant you wake up in the morning, have that routine set so that you're set for the day, or as long as you can go during the day, at night, to help you calm the system down, and then perhaps throughout the day, whatever, tie it in with a habit that you already have, so that, because a habit just simply means that it's hardwired in your unconscious mind, already runs that pattern without you having to think about it. So you piggyback it Right, gotcha, so that it's part of it. I have a little card, like one of those recipe cards. You know that I have stuck into my mirror in the bathroom, because how often do we go use the bathroom?
Speaker 1:Right, right, I was actually thinking brushing your teeth could be a time. I know that I, for instance, set so many alarms on my phone with a lovely gentle chime sound, one that's alarming, and so why don't I do that as well for these moments of reset and reconnection? Absolutely, they're there for my Zoom calls or my appointments, so I think that could be just a nice also a nice way of redesigning my response to the appointments that I otherwise have set. It's going to be this alarm like oh gosh, I got to go do that. It would be like, oh, there's that chime and it's either I'm going to take a breath or I'm going to go to the appointment, or I'm going to take a breath and then go to the appointment.
Speaker 2:Right and great point. So, whether you're doing it as a Pomodoro style of so productivity and focus exercise, where we know, neurophysiologically, our attention span really is like nowhere near what we think, it is typically 20, 25 minutes. So Pomodoro style is where you literally set that timer for 25 minutes, then you take a five minute break and then you start the next chunk of your Pomodoro style. So this is if you're not necessarily going into meetings. This is where you're, say, you're doing paperwork or you're doing creative work, right, that five minutes can be, yes, a bio break. It can also be like stretching. It can be one of these tools, right, or multiple of these, right, in other words, and so that when you start again in the next half hour, the next 25 minutes, you're fresh, you're creative, you're ready to go.
Speaker 2:One of the things that I do and it has become hardwired into me as your example of before I start any meeting, I have trained myself to ask a series of questions of well, more of a mantra.
Speaker 2:It's like what is my outcome, purpose and action for this meeting? And so, even if it's that I am showing up 100%, giving my best, knowing that this is in the highest good of all, however you choose to say it. In other words, it's you go from like, oh my goodness, I gotta do this, I gotta do this, I gotta do this to. I am choosing to show up as my best for this other person or for these other people, and you can do the same thing going into even a meeting without others. In other words, it's it, but it's that, that quick reset, and it only takes 30 seconds, even if you're running late. Yeah, for a meeting, how much more productive and and how much easier is the communication going to flow if you take 30 seconds to shift out of survival mode, which is anxious mode, overwhelm mode, of I got to do this, I got to do this, I got to do this too. All right, I'm ready, yeah beautiful yeah so absolutely, those are.
Speaker 2:so and as you do, more of those, whether it's bookending it, whether it's every hour on the hour, whether it's that little trigger reminder in your mirror as you go to the bathroom and you're washing your hands, anyway, right, make a point of creating that, that ritual, the routine around it, tying it to something that you are already doing, so that it is integrated far more quickly, and then you can go. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:I like it and the more you so, because excuse me for interrupting it becomes that this other thing you do, but it just becomes more a part of you, absolutely. Would you mind sharing with us some technique or a tool?
Speaker 2:I would love to, I would love to and, like I said, it can be really really fast. So, first and foremost, the vagus nerve is your major parasympathetic nerve in your body. So the more you stimulate your vagus nerve, the you know that is your rest and digest, or your heel nerve, your creativity nerve, you could say right, reproduce nerve, by the way, yes, your reproduce nerve, right. So you want to be in that as much as possible. So one of the biggest ways is your voice box. The vagus nerve innervates what's called your larynx, your voice box. So first things first, when you take a breath in, that actually stimulates your sympathetic nervous system. So you want that to be shorter. Still, breathing deeply, but you want it to be shorter. Holding your breath or pausing your breath stimulates your parasympathetic. Long, slow out breath, as long as you can go, stimulates your parasympathetic. Here's a secret by humming it out or singing it out, whether it's a chant or a, you are stimulating, you're giving that extra stimulation so we can breathe in, like into our belly, say to the count of three or four, breathe in, hold to the count of three or four and then hum it out as long as you can, however long you can. In the beginning, it might be because you're not used to breathing deeply and using those muscles, and that's okay. So, in other words, breathe in, say to the count of three, hold to the count of three and exhale or hum as long as you can.
Speaker 2:How else can this look? How about a fun way? Create a fun, positive, inspiring playlist oh, okay, right, and that you play and listen to when you're in the car or you're cooking in the kitchen, or right, like, have a dance party in the kitchen, get your body moving. Sing into your favorite tunes. Make sure they're positive. Yes, make sure they're positive, because your unconscious mind can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. So if you're singing as much as you might love them those country songs of you know you lost your dog, you lost your wife, you lost your house, you lost everything. Guess what your unconscious mind is hearing. Right, I love the Eagles as a band. You know how many positives they have. It's really hard. It's really hard. So, for the purposes of this, find your favorite positive, inspiring songs and make a playlist of them, whether it's on Spotify or on your Apple Music, whatever it is, and just sing as much as possible, because that's doing the same thing, but doing it in a positive way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Make yourself your own favorite soundtrack. It's such a gift to yourself. I love it. Yeah, you know, I was even thinking when you talked about the. You know the making, the sound, the humming or whatever. We innately do that with a sigh right. When things just get too tight, we want to just sigh it out, and it is a reflexive action that's doing exactly what you're describing. It's helping us get back into a stated parasympathetic.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yawning is the same way. Right, like you can, even even if you don't feel tired, you can go, and then everybody will want to yonk right, exactly, right. That's, that is. You're welcome, you're welcome, and so it doesn't have to be hard, it can happen just like that. So, and the more you do it, that one breath, right, If you feel anxious, if you feel overwhelmed, if you feel like and and this, the story that your unconscious mind may be telling you is oh, you don't have time for this. Who doesn't have time for one breath?
Speaker 1:Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:Right, it's more the reminder, it's more the. That's why I put notes, like I, you know, on my. You can get those magnetic whiteboards and stick it on your fringe door, okay, and you know. Or, as I said, the card stock and you know, stuff it in the corner of your bathroom mirror. Or by your postage, by your, your computer. Right, it's all of these ways, right, and what those do is that when you are in survival mode and you see that reminder, it will help trigger you out of survival mode.
Speaker 1:Right, I want to. I want to see if, if we have in our brief time because I want to be respectful of your time and the listener's time this, this has been a remarkable and useful Thank you so much. Way of just doing something quickly. Clearly, you have spent decades designing deeper dives, so how, how might listeners, if they're, if they're intrigued by this, and say, well, thanks for the breath. I will do that, but I but I think, given listening to this conversation, there's probably more for me to do. How can we direct them to you? How can we help them?
Speaker 2:I would love to help them and guide them even more. Thank you for the suggestion. I have actually my own podcast that you have been a guest on a number of times, thank you very much, and the name of that podcast is the Success Shift. The Success Shift podcast, right With Dr Irene, and then our website, successshiftinstitutecom, and then I'm going to be giving you multiple fun ways that your listeners will be able to start helping themselves as well.
Speaker 1:Great, I know that you've got many programs that are that a listener might say, oh, this one is right for me, and another listener would say, well, that one is right for me, so there's something for everyone. It is not a one size fits all kind of approach that you take to your programs.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, not, Really, truly, that. You know, we humans. What do they say? It's like the grains of sand, right? In other words, there's never two that are the same. So we humans are the same. So why treat us as, as you know, one size fits all? It does not work.
Speaker 1:We're not the same and yet we relate to and mirror and learn from each other. So why not do it positively, given that we didn't have control over what might have occurred? You know, in our formative years we can always shift out of that and then send that shift to our pool and then the ripple of our friends, family, work life, our progeny, our generations forward. Because, as we've discussed before, you know, especially for women, how we are, will inform the embryo and fetus and baby before that baby is even born. No time like the moment, the present, to absolutely that benefit beneficial shift for yourself and for others.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and you know you brought up a beautiful point. You are creating the environment even before you are pregnant, for your future baby and then throughout pregnancy. So that is ever more crucial for you to use these and other tools to bring you into that state of optimal healing, of creativity, because, guess what? You are literally creating that beautiful baby, and so if you are anxious and you're worried and feeling overwhelmed and out of control, that literally is traumatizing your baby, and so you're setting them up behind the eight ball versus teaching them resilience right from the very start.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and folks, this is not woo-woo, this is science. You know how we are as women, because we carry the eggs, imprints, the egg itself within us before it even ovulates. I can't impress upon you strongly enough that, truly, now is the time and it's never too late. So for those perfectionists and I can claim myself to sometimes be one, I'm a recovering perfectionist it doesn't help or doesn't serve to go back and say what a should, a could, if only, but instead just say okay, now, now I can make that shift and that change, and it will affect past relationships that already exist and future forward.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I have a fun story about that. Just showing is that when I was pregnant with my firstborn, I was, my husband and I were performing in a community production of West Side Story, and so I was, you know, practicing over and over and over again these songs because I had a couple of solos right of my character that I needed to have down pat. Interestingly enough, even though that all happened while I was pregnant and we were done before my son was born, when he was upset, you know, in call the key after he was born, all I had to do was sing that song and within like seconds he calmed right down.
Speaker 1:Isn't that fascinating? Yeah, just because absolutely energetic. The rhythm, the tone, if you will, the vibration of that sound is something that he already knew.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And it was again that vagus nerve right. So all of those times where I thought I was just practicing a song, I literally was stimulating my rest, digest and heal nerve and nervous system, so that you know. So you could say that was the trigger for him as well. So what you do really and how you feel really does matter.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for taking all of this time. I'm so grateful that you offered us all of these, these tips, you know, because I think it's one thing to consider information, but it's another thing to really act on it. So, listeners, I hope that you are taking a nice deep breath, exhaling twice as long. I hope that you will listen to and share the recording and share Dr Irene's other coursework that will be available to you in the links below, and we look forward to seeing you at the next conversation. Thanks for listening to today's episode. We hope that you, too, found the gold in this conversation and can implement some takeaways into your everyday life to improve your health and your life. Be sure to subscribe so that you don't miss an episode and to click on the links providing additional resources and gifts to this episode. See you next time on Health University Class dismissed.