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The Untold Story of Fertility Struggles: Grief, Resilience, and Support with Alexandra Geary-Stock

February 19, 2024 Dr. Susan Fox
The Untold Story of Fertility Struggles: Grief, Resilience, and Support with Alexandra Geary-Stock
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The Untold Story of Fertility Struggles: Grief, Resilience, and Support with Alexandra Geary-Stock
Feb 19, 2024
Dr. Susan Fox

In this thought-provoking episode of "Health University," listeners are invited into an intimate conversation with Alexandra Geary-Stock, a psychotherapist based in the San Francisco area who specializes in supporting individuals and couples through their fertility journey, including the complex world of IVF. Alexandra and the host delve into the multifaceted emotional landscape that those facing fertility challenges navigate—unveiling the layers of grief, loss, and the relentless pursuit of parenthood. The discussion highlights the often unspoken struggles, the impact on one's sense of self, relationships, and the continuous cycle of hope and defeat that accompanies fertility treatments.

Listeners will gain deep insights into the significance of acknowledging grief, the importance of supportive relationships, and practical tools for managing the emotional toll of fertility struggles. Alexandra offers strategies for couples to communicate their experiences effectively, fostering understanding and unity. Moreover, the podcast explores how individuals can reclaim power over their journey, set healthy boundaries, and find solace and strength in community resources like Resolve and HAND.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone touched by the topic of fertility, seeking comfort, understanding, or ways to support loved ones on this journey. It's a call to listen, learn, and engage with a topic that affects many yet remains shrouded in silence. Subscribe to "Health University" on your preferred podcast platform to join this and many more conversations that aim to enlighten, empower, and educate on the journey to wellness and understanding.

Connect With Alexandra Geary-Stock:
www.alexandragearystock.com

Email via alexandrapsychotherapy@gmail.com




Take the fertility quiz: https://www.healthyouniversity.co/fertility-quiz

Schedule a Fertile Health Assessment:
https://www.healthyouniversity.co/your-fertile-health-call

Follow on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/dr.susan.fox/

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In this thought-provoking episode of "Health University," listeners are invited into an intimate conversation with Alexandra Geary-Stock, a psychotherapist based in the San Francisco area who specializes in supporting individuals and couples through their fertility journey, including the complex world of IVF. Alexandra and the host delve into the multifaceted emotional landscape that those facing fertility challenges navigate—unveiling the layers of grief, loss, and the relentless pursuit of parenthood. The discussion highlights the often unspoken struggles, the impact on one's sense of self, relationships, and the continuous cycle of hope and defeat that accompanies fertility treatments.

Listeners will gain deep insights into the significance of acknowledging grief, the importance of supportive relationships, and practical tools for managing the emotional toll of fertility struggles. Alexandra offers strategies for couples to communicate their experiences effectively, fostering understanding and unity. Moreover, the podcast explores how individuals can reclaim power over their journey, set healthy boundaries, and find solace and strength in community resources like Resolve and HAND.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone touched by the topic of fertility, seeking comfort, understanding, or ways to support loved ones on this journey. It's a call to listen, learn, and engage with a topic that affects many yet remains shrouded in silence. Subscribe to "Health University" on your preferred podcast platform to join this and many more conversations that aim to enlighten, empower, and educate on the journey to wellness and understanding.

Connect With Alexandra Geary-Stock:
www.alexandragearystock.com

Email via alexandrapsychotherapy@gmail.com




Take the fertility quiz: https://www.healthyouniversity.co/fertility-quiz

Schedule a Fertile Health Assessment:
https://www.healthyouniversity.co/your-fertile-health-call

Follow on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/dr.susan.fox/

Speaker 1:

Welcome to Health University, the online classroom and podcast dedicated to empowering women and couples on their fertility, pregnancy, perimenopause and emotional relationships journeys. I'm Dr Susan Fox, a women's health expert with over 20 years of experience in helping women and couples navigate fertility challenges and heal their whole health and reproductive health With compassion, clarity and practical tips. Our podcast episodes provide a wealth of information tailored to your unique needs. We're passionate about helping you understand your own body and its connection to mental, emotional and spiritual well-being. I'd be honored if you would help me by taking a moment to rate and review our podcast on iTunes. Your positive feedback helps us reach more listeners who can benefit from our empowering and educational approach to fertility and holistic wellness.

Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome to today's episode of Health University, where we're exploring all areas of your fertile health, and I have the great pleasure today of having with me Alexandra Geary-Stock. Alexandra's a psychotherapist in the San Francisco area and she has a particular focus in helping women people couples navigate fertility in general and including the IVF journey. So welcome, alexandra, and I invite you to expand upon my brief introduction with whatever else you want to share with the listening audience.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to talk. All things fertility related, yeah, so I work a lot with people who are thinking about parenthood, struggling to become parents, so, specifically, ivf interventions and then the transition into parenthood in my private practice. So there are some common themes that I see people coming through. When they do get to see me, they have really experienced quite a bit of loss. It's a little bit later in our journey and I really see people completely depleted and exhausted from the journey. There's a bit of cycle that happens for people each month, kind of getting hopeful and then feeling quite defeated and it becomes a lot of loss.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I know Brian's saying, yeah, I find the same experience as well, but often by the time someone's coming to my door, she or they have been through months to years of struggle and it's affecting all areas of their lives personal, professional, intimate relationships and so I think it behooves us to acknowledge the degree and the levels and areas of suffering that encourage that a person is going through. So just put the right prism on it. It really is a courageous journey. So, absolutely yeah, I wanted to go through some questions that we had talked about prior to this call and to hear from you what do you find that people report that it's like when they're struggling with their journey. What are their words that they use so that listeners can kind of recognize that we're not alone in these journeys?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think hopelessness is one that comes to mind that I hear a lot just feeling so defeated and then really wanting this so badly, wanting a family more than anything. It's then hard to find the motivation to continue on and it can feel just relentless, like a relentless journey and trying to find energy to continue on each cycle after such defeat and often a loss. This is a journey of real loss. It's not just one loss, it's multiple losses that could look so many ways, from not achieving the outcome a given month to actual pregnancy loss, and so it really becomes. For a lot of people that come to see me, it's really about dealing with complex trauma and I think it's just an onion of grief that people are dealing with grief in all ways.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, and of course grief is a human experience and we are, I think that as a culture we tend to shy away from it. But I would also say that the repeated cycles of grief can become the thing that really chips away at a person's sense of self. What tools or techniques do you find have been useful for you and your clients as they kind of decide to persevere or decide that they're finished with the journey, because really any decision is their right decision?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely Well, I think the first step is kind of acknowledging the grief and really exploring the grief and how it's in so many varied ways. I think that oftentimes it's a grief fertility, struggling with fertility, having this health diagnosis is something that goes greatly unacknowledged and the kind of chronic grief that people are experiencing is just not addressed. A lot of times family members don't completely understand, Friends who are not on the journey themselves don't understand, and then of course, society as a whole is not very understanding. I think there is still quite a stigma and people from a young age haven't been told oh, you might struggle with fertility. In fact they've been given the opposite message is that you can have the family you want at the time that you want. So I think starting to unpack with clients is really useful, that there is a valid reason here that they are in this kind of grief cycle and really having a chance to grieve together.

Speaker 1:

And people express their grief or experience their grief differently. I know that a part of your work is handling the emotions of resentment, anger, irritability or even that manic like everything's fine when deep inside it's not so. Are there methods or practices that you use that will help someone recognize where they're maybe not even experiencing for themselves that they're going through what is truly a grieving process?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, oftentimes what I see in my practice is people pretty in touch with their grief who are coming in.

Speaker 2:

They're actually consumed by it and they've been consumed by the constant decision making that comes along with the fertility journey.

Speaker 2:

As you know, people are having to make decisions Do we continue on this month, do we persevere, do we take a break?

Speaker 2:

Do we start utilizing fertility interventions? And so people are pretty in touch with the grief. It's really what I see their friends and family being a little disconnected from what they're going through and the isolation they experience and sometimes and or in the dyad and the relationship they're being a way that two different people are experiencing grief very differently. So getting on the same pages of each other and having conversations with friends and families so that clients feel a little less isolated, in addition to talking about different distraction activities because most people on the fertility journey are pretty consumed by it, and so it can be really helpful to think about ways to get up some reliefs and those different kind of self-care activities- and what might some examples be of the distraction activities or sort of expansive activities that let them know that they are more than this journey that they're experiencing at the forefront of their mind yeah, anything that they were doing or that they loved pre-fertility journey is a really good.

Speaker 2:

You know, getting back to old hobbies or anything that they love, like hiking, listening to different kind of podcasts that are not fertility related there's great fertility related podcasts out there, you know. Sometimes talking to friends about not actually bringing up their fertility journey is really useful and so that they can have conversations that are completely absent of this part of their identity for now and this part of their lives, just by, of course, accessing support is crucial, of course.

Speaker 1:

I think that you've touched on something that's really important. How does a person, or a couple, take charge, if you will, of the conversation with their friends or family so that they can ask for what they need and then ask not to be in a conversation for what they don't need, what isn't serving them?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's such a good question. It's hard. This piece is really hard for people to navigate. Oftentimes they already feel burdened by their fertility journey, so they then have to educate their loved ones. It can be very tiresome going back to this exhaustion that a lot of people experience on this journey, and so I have created a handout that people find useful, called MAD. I love that.

Speaker 1:

It's MAD M-A-A-A-D. Let's hear about that. I think it's brilliant because it really does. It explains in a word what the person of the couple feels, and I love the descriptions. The person, the couple and the people who love them know what to do and what not to do, so let's hear.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely so. This is how to really not make fertility people mad that these are actual examples. It's not something that we're thinking about. It's actually things that people that have hurt people that loved ones have said with good intention. But the first being in the MAD acronym, not minimizing people's saying things like, oh, it could be better, don't worry, this is going to happen for you. It could be worse. You have all this re-time. You might as well enjoy it. Think of all the sleep you're getting and dismissing the pain and the grief that we just talked about. In any kind of way. We're in congratulations for them.

Speaker 2:

If they started a fertility intervention or they're in a cycle trying to conceive, as if they're going to just achieve their outcome, making an assumption that someone on their fertility journey is going to be quote unquote successful, yeah, so any minimizing of their physical experience or their emotional experience. And then the next one is the A, one of the A's, the first of the three A's I bet it's here A-uh which comes up. Yeah, I swear I'll never have a child again. Quite a lot is offering alternatives. So things that start with, have you considered, have you thought about?

Speaker 1:

and then whatever the person is trying to offer as an alternative glass of wine and right, the absolute opposite of what this would there otherwise being informed and educated to do right yeah?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, stop stressing, but you tried this have. You tried that have?

Speaker 1:

you ever been successful? And someone says stop stressing. I know I haven't for one.

Speaker 2:

That's really not, definitely not helpful. You know, people on the fertility journey, like I said, are consumed by this. They've thought of everything. So offering what you think might be best for them or you know some some anecdote is not helpful, so that the other a then that follows is offering anecdotes. That can be extremely painful.

Speaker 2:

When you offer a story of someone you know that has had success. If they only did this or that, any kind of comparing could be really hurtful and not useful. Yeah, and then the next being the next day, final a being and not authority, so thinking you know what the right decision is. Oh, you should stop now. Oh just keep going. Oh, try IVF, you know three times. You know it's really helpful to just listen to people and what they need on the path, not think that you know what's best for them. I think this could come up a lot for providers and in the fertility space. Well intended, but can offer kind of an authority about what they think is needed for the next step for the couple or the person, and that often is just really painful and not useful.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a tricky one, isn't it? Though? Because it's it's. It is a fine line between between knowing suggestions and giving perhaps you know information on what could be on a timeline of next steps, and delivering that in such a way that it isn't given as an authority figure that you should do this next. Yeah, absolutely, and I think it also falls in my, in my observation with patients. That also falls heavily when, when an authority figure a parent, a sibling, some, some, a boss, someone to whom they've already given some, you know, ascribed some authority when that person comes in with ideas, it's kind of hard for the individual to filter those ideas as something other than, oh, I should do this next.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and I think you know this is often is coming from such a place of wanting to help the person struggling, right, and I think people on the outside can really feel powerless and you know, as we're kind of trying to manage their own feelings of powerlessness, they want to kind of offer something that feels powerful and that often is just not the the most helpful approach.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I can. I can confess that that not in the treatment room, but in my own personal intimate relationships. You know family and friends and loved ones. You know I want to go into fix it mode and thankfully my own daughter is a psychologist, so she's trying to me on how to take a minute and and and think about or reframe my impulse to to want to help that way because it's I, it's not helpful.

Speaker 2:

No, but it is so natural, right, yeah, when one wants to particularly power powerless and wants to, wants to help, it's completely understandable. And we've got a D, we've got a.

Speaker 1:

D we do In our mad.

Speaker 2:

Well, that's that's really important one, which is don't discuss it, which is a nice way of saying gaslight. So this happens a lot. I'm still only so shocked to to hear what I hear about people really gaslighting those on the fertility journey, and particularly I hear a lot referencing age. You know that. Oh, why did you wait so long? Why didn't you do some fertility preservation earlier? Why didn't you freeze your eggs? A lot of blame, so what might someone do?

Speaker 1:

Well, let me, I'm going to both, both sides. What might someone do? She was on the fertility journey and needs to take the reins, if you will, in managing some of these. You know personal relationships where she or they are feeling like that the other is giving you know advice or gaslighting, or you know, trying to fix it. How, how does the individual take a stand for herself or themselves and, and you know, really regain power and control over the?

Speaker 2:

experience Not easy, right, because she or they are already dealing with so much or they are, they're already feeling quite burdened. So this can setting boundaries which you do have to do in this setting really does take a lot of navigating. But I think it can be helpful to pull on some of these resources, like even sending along something like this Akron Mad or there are other really helpful articles out there about kind of what to say, what not to say, can be helpful as the starting point of a conversation, or taking pieces of the Akron there and then saying you know and practicing. You know you might have to role play at first, but really practicing how to say like I understand you're coming from a place wanting to help and I can understand that and this kind of messaging hasn't been useful for me, yeah brilliant.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah, really, you're almost either anticipating or interrupting if it's in play, by just kind of naming it right, you know, lovingly and with a sense of self. You know kind of calling out oh, this is what's happening for me right now. Can we redirect the course of our conversation?

Speaker 2:

I think though yeah, absolutely I think there is often, when I find a step before that, which is the client, the person, really starting to understand that their experience is valid and what they're feeling and how they're maybe feeling hurt by people saying unintentionally painful things, is valid, and so that can give them some empowerment to set these kind of boundaries, because I think a lot of times people on the journey haven't felt validated Right On the contrary, actually.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and so are there sort of tools or techniques or kind of work that someone can do and to sort of regain that sense of validation, self-validation, before finding oneself, you know, kind of on your heels, expecting to go into the ring, so to speak, with someone, some well-meaning someone who is otherwise leaving you feeling unvalidated? Are there resources that you'd recommend?

Speaker 2:

or yeah, I think therapy is a really good place to do that. In addition to finding like-minded individuals and people who are on the path, that's usually very useful for people struggling with fertility is to find other people who are also struggling and accessing different resources, support resources like Resolve. The Resolve group is a wonderful resource for people who've had pregnancy loss. Access scene, an amazing organization like Hand, where there is a chance to talk to other people who have been through the journey, and by talking to other people who have been through the journey on the journey, that can show extremely validating yeah.

Speaker 1:

I want to just repeat Resolve your scene. Oh, excuse me, I'm so sorry, there was a flight delay, so Resolve. These will be in the show notes. Resolve is a wonderful resource and Hand is a wonderful resource for someone who has suffered pregnancy loss and wants to get some support, and you know kinship around that. And I think, if I may, I would like to just put in a plug to utilize well-resourced resources, not necessarily a Facebook chat group that you don't know of it's being well-managed. You want a licensed therapist who is skilled in helping to navigate the conversation so that one person suffering doesn't take everybody down a rabbit hole, so that you leave a conversation feeling supported and resourced.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I think that is invaluable that you have. You know either you're working with a professional or you're in a support group where people are listening and you feel seen and heard, and that can just be so empowering and validating.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I'm kind of all for both. That's where I like to, or I find that people feel the most supported is that they have their individual therapy where it's just them and their own. You know experience, because your own experience is unique and warrants being seen and understood and helping you sort of tease out what might be happening and how you could resolve some of this. And then the larger groups that are managed by a licensed therapist or psychotherapist who can really has been trained to help make sure that the conversation stays at a level where everybody's getting a takeaway, that is, of support.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely yeah, of course, there's common themes on the fertility journey, but everyone has their unique story and unique experience, of course. So it's really finding support that matches both those things.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, I'd like to, if I may, touch upon the partnership. I mean, obviously there are people who are going through single parenthood by choice and are going straight into assisted reproductive therapies. Oftentimes, in my 23 years, it's a couple of who are going through it together and I find it uniquely heart wrenching what the couple goes through, because they start out on this journey, as you say, thinking it's going to be a slam dunk, and then they realize they're having trouble, and they're having trouble together and they're having trouble independently. So how might you counsel or advise the partner of the person who is trying to conceive?

Speaker 2:

So this is my special interest actually working with a partner, because oftentimes the woman has quite a bit of resource available to her, but then the person who is not trying to conceive or supporting the consuming process is often doesn't have as many resources available to them, and so it is really important that there's a space for that experience and that there's a space for their story, which, honestly, oftentimes does look very different in the diet.

Speaker 1:

Could you give an example like what it might look like for the partner, so that the people out there listening might say, oh my goodness, I really recognize that in myself or in my partner and I hadn't really thought of it before as their struggle in our struggle.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think one thing that comes up a lot there's several things, but one thing that comes up a lot is that the partner doesn't feel helpless. Or again going back to this powerless experience, they can feel very powerless. They don't know how to help, they don't know what to do. They can see their partner really struggling, really feeling in certain moments like their body has failed and they're not sure what they can do to make things better. Often that can be the partner if you've done fertility intervention that maybe doesn't have the fertility diagnosis, the one that isn't going through all the treatments, and they can just be at a loss or trying to help, but also have equal amounts of hopelessness that they don't feel that they can really share, because they feel like, well, I have to give space to my partner. He seems to be struggling at her.

Speaker 1:

I'm more than worse than mine. Yes, but it's not. It's just different. Are there any tools, techniques, suggestions that you would give the partner I?

Speaker 2:

think that's where therapy becomes really useful, as having a space for both partners to be able to communicate their experience with each other, because sometimes what I find is that there is one partner that might be holding back. They don't feel like they can burden their partner with their emotional experience. So really giving space with someone who isn't in the diet is very helpful. Like the couple feels supported as a couple, the individuals in the couple also feel supported. I think that can be really, really helpful.

Speaker 1:

So, yeah, Bull's Therapy for to include the partner in the conversation, because the person trying to conceive has lots of authorities out there making prescription and recommendations, whereas the partner is just waiting.

Speaker 2:

Waiting for some news, yeah, and I think oftentimes I can even feel like the partner is not in the process. We even use this language right, the woman usually the man is the main focus and she's conceiving. It's like, well, the couple is actually conceiving, right, they're trying to conceive, and so the other partner can really get lost. And so having space, of course, an individual therapy for the partner, but as a couple, is crucial for the Green War, and thank you for that.

Speaker 1:

This is your area of specialty, because it really is kind of a lost thought until or unless it gets almost far down the road of a struggle. What about the? At least it's really. Yeah, let's talk about how can you be a better co-worker, boss, human resources manager, all of the above.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's such a great question. What I found is there's still really not a lot of acknowledgement about fertility-related struggles and fertility being a health-related issue.

Speaker 1:

Ronik right, since one in six people are struggling with it and it's just this year practically last year getting some the attention, as a health-related condition now has a medical diagnosis that it never had before. So yes, sorry, I'm enthusiastic about the conversation, so please continue.

Speaker 2:

Yes, completely right. It's really important, I think, for HR and managers to understand the impact, the burden that couples are faced or people are faced who are struggling with fertility and obviously often meeting PTO, particularly people who are going through fertility treatment. That's a whole non-earth topic that takes unbelievable time and energy. But also giving emotional space and understanding the mental load that this takes for the diet and or the individual faced with the onion of grief, as we're talking about, and just the unbelievable exhaustion that people are up against when they're on this journey and any kind of support that they're getting for their health acupuncture, other kinds of treatments. It takes time and hopefully places of employment need to start being more aware of that that people do need this kind of support and being able to talk about that, of course with a supportive manager, is important if that seems appropriate.

Speaker 2:

The other thing I find is kind of back to the mad acronym. A lot of times co-workers don't know how to talk to their patients, clients who are struggling with fertility, so sometimes there can be things that are said that are painful. A lot of times people struggling with fertility are very sensitive to different things that are triggering in a way that someone who isn't on a journey isn't experiencing. So coworkers saying things like I hear this a lot like saying like, oh, you know, you and your partner have been together for a long time, so when, when are the kids coming? Or wow, I thought you'd be expecting by now. So I hear all kinds of things that I've just appalled by people's lack. You know again, well intended, well intended, I think, supported, intended, but a lot less right?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it just. It's really about just taking that minute to ask yourself is this really supportive? Because you don't know what's going on. Another thing that comes to my mind in the workplace is that you know, so many of us are now working remotely, so it's, it's so. We don't even have the, you know, water cooler experience of the let's go to lunch or let's go have a coffee, well, or tea in this case, you know, to kind of unload or share. So that sense of isolation is even greater because this person is now leading a team or executive director level and has to stay at this sort of elevated space for others. When she or they are going through such difficulty, you know, on their own. That is only exacerbated when there is, you know, sort of an IVF cycle taking place, because when you're being injected with hormones and running to appointments and it's, it's exhausting.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, absolutely Great, yeah, so how might a person you know for those who are in sort of either a hybrid or remote work environment and you've got you know, and you've got six other people who could be pregnant at any time or not, because one in six is struggling with infertility how might we think about connecting with our you know on a professional level, on a supportive level that would be able to let this person you know who's struggling either have space or feel supported or feel yeah Well, what I found is that a lot of clients, a lot of people, are actually disclosing this, and I think the remote work has made that even more true.

Speaker 2:

It just, you know, as you said, it adds it has really added to isolation and so feeling even more like they have to hide this part of themselves. So it makes it even more important to access a space where there are people, a safe space where there are similar people on the journey, where people can, where on the journey can feel, feel you know, heard and understood. I think, in general, for people in the workplace, this should be something I feel like I even need to say. It should be kind of obvious that you probably shouldn't be making comments about people's reproductive health at all. Thank you, thank you. Comments. Thank you.

Speaker 2:

You're author to be. You know about. Oh, when are you going to start a family? Oh gosh. So I think it just is, you know, a question, that and a topic that doesn't need to really come up unless a person you know wants that kind of support. But I'm I. What I see is typically people just wanting to keep that information to themselves because they don't feel safe, and they don't feel safe because people, as you said, they're not thinking. If you're not in it, you probably. You really just don't understand what it's like.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So I think what I would like to just convey out there is presume that someone in your circle, if you got six women or six people who who are of childbearing age, someone's probably struggling. That's the statistic. So have that level of thoughtfulness when you might want to, you know, say, well, congratulations on your wedding, when will the babies come? We, you know, there isn't necessarily a a sequence of events anymore and that, like it's, that person may have been trying for years and a wedding is not the thing that is going to magically have a baby appear. So just just that level of thoughtfulness and kindness. Really, it really becomes down to a kindness, absolutely.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Well, I want to be respectful of your time and I and the listening audience's time. So all of these things that the mad flyer will be, the link to the mad flyer will be in the show notes. The link to to Alexandra's you know site will be in the show notes where you can pick up other resources. Links to resolve and to hand will be in the show notes. But is there anything that you want to make sure that the listening audience has as a takeaway before we wrap it up?

Speaker 2:

Just that you know people on the fertility journey are really struggling with kind of an onion of grief and anything that people can do to support people on that journey is incredibly helpful. Any kind of awareness that can be spread, I think, goes a really long way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Well, I thank you for your time it's. I think we can't hear this enough, because we, you know, we kind of know it intuitively, but we have to hear things multiple times from different language and different voices before it kind of sinks in and we go, oh my goodness, I was doing that, or I, oh, I almost did that, and hooray for us. We can stop and say I almost did that, but I didn't, because then you're on the way to your own learning and growth improvement as well.

Speaker 2:

So Absolutely Well. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1:

My pleasure. Thanks for your time and audience. We will be back for our next episode of Health University and, as I like to say, at the close, class dismissed. Well, you heard the bell. Class is dismissed.

Speaker 1:

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