Unforgetting: Remembering Your Spirit with Dr. Kelly McCann

In today's episode of Health Youniversity, Dr. Susan Fox sits down with Dr. Kelly McCann — board-certified physician in internal medicine and pediatrics, trained in functional, integrative, and environmental medicine — for a conversation that begins in the body and ends somewhere much deeper.

Dr. Kelly is known for her expertise in mold illness, chronic infections, mast cell activation syndrome, and complex chronic conditions. She integrates science, intuition, and spiritual psychology to help people heal at levels most medicine never reaches. She's hosted three worldwide summits reaching over 100,000 people, and her forthcoming book reframes illness not as the enemy — but as a portal. Today, she brings all of it.

This episode opens with something practical — the toxic bucket. What's coming in, what's getting cleared, and where most people are losing the battle without knowing it. Plastics. Bisphenols. Mycotoxins. Polyester clothing in the dryer. Endocrine disruptors hiding in places nobody thinks to look. Dr. Kelly maps the terrain clearly, and then Dr. Susan steers the conversation somewhere rarer: what fertility struggles do to the spirit. And what the spirit might actually be trying to say back.

You'll learn what the toxic bucket actually is — and why some people can handle far more than others before the system breaks down, how endocrine disruptors work at the receptor level and why fake estrogen might be the reason your hormones look off on paper, why a young man's testosterone in the 200s isn't just a hormone problem — and what mold and lead had to do with one patient's case, what Dr. Kelly means when she says the body is the voice of the spirit — and why that changes everything about how we relate to illness, what The Unforgetting Project is: a nine-week group program built around helping people recover who they actually are beneath the conditioning, why Western medicine keeps people circling the drain — body to the physician, mind to the therapist, spirit to the yoga teacher — and why nobody's talking to each other, and three practices you can start today to begin rebuilding your relationship with your own body.

This episode is for you if you've done everything right and still can't understand why your body isn't cooperating, you're somewhere in the fertility journey and feel like the emotional and spiritual weight of it is going unaddressed, you've been told your labs are fine but something still feels de

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Hello and welcome to today's episode of Healthy University, where we talk all things fertility, pregnancy and postpartum, and what I call pre-perimenopause, where we have time to make a plan before perimenopause strikes. And today we have a fascinating conversation about to unfold, and I'm so very grateful to have the opportunity to speak with Dr. Kelly McGann. We're going to talk about toxicity, but not just toxicity in our physical or physiological form, but also our spiritual form. So if I'm going to turn my head a moment, Dr. Kelly, while I read your bio and let me know if I miss anything in it. Dr. Kelly McGann is a board-certified physician in internal medicine and pediatrics, trained in functional, integrative, and environmental medicine, known for her expertise in mold illness, chronic infections, MCAST, which is mast cell activation syndrome, and complex chronic conditions, she integrates science, intuition, and spiritual psychology to help people heal at the deepest levels. Through her private practice and transformational programs, and I'm going to ask you to tell us about the one that is just launched, she guides clients from suffering to sovereignty, reclaiming their health, their purpose, and their power. She's hosted three virtual worldwide summits reaching over 100,000 people and is the author of a forthcoming book that explores how illness is not the enemy but a portal to healing the whole self. So welcome, Dr. Kelly. So I'm delighted to have this conversation. We talked initially about having a brief conversation about the toxic bucket, but I am really jonesing for having an opportunity to really delve into the spiritual side because as I shared just off camera, that it is a sorely lacking piece of attention that we give to women and couples struggling with fertility. So let's start briefly by toxic bucket. How would you explain the toxic bucket?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Well, the toxic bucket we're referring to is probably a couple different buckets, but um, I think about the body as a bucket, or perhaps let's talk about it as a sink, where everything that we're exposed to in our air, food, water uh environment is coming in through the top. And then whether or not we're able to detox it or get rid of it, that's our drain. So that's where I love the sink analogy. And some people have huge, deep sinks and they can take in a lot of toxins and ginormous drains. Some people have very shallow sinks and narrow drains, and they can't tolerate a whole lot. And unfortunately, many of the chemicals that are very ubiquitous in our environment today are endocrine disrupting chemicals, meaning they're going to impact your hormones, and that's both men and women who are impacted. And, you know, a lot of the things people understand like pesticides are bad, we want to eat organic whenever possible, um, plastic is bad, we want to use glass whenever possible. And plastic, um, we have to start thinking about other sources of plastic. So there are the phthalates, which make plastic soft, there are the bisphenols, which make plastic hard. Both sets of chemicals are endocrine disruptors. Uh, and plastic and bisphenols, they're freaking everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

They are. They are. And they're found even now in our follicular fluid, our seminal fluid, our amniotic fluid, and placental tissue, as well as brain, you know, all of our all of our organs and tissues. But given that we're talking about fertility, I think that it really uh warrants highlighting just how, as you say, ubiquitous they are, and how we do have some agency over reducing that toxic load. So how how do you go about it with your within your program? And and tell us a little bit about your program, if you will. Oh, so the program is completely separate.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Let's talk about toxins. Okay. We'll bring that in. Okay. But with the with the toxins and particularly the plastics, um, you know, be aware of thermal paper, uh, canned foods, um, obviously baby, um, baby foods and baby, um, a lot of the baby products are bisphenol, uh, bisphenols, BPS, BPF, they're all bad. All bisphenols are bad. So just throw them out and use glass or stainless steel. Um, really, some of the reasons that uh we get exposed to so many plastics that most people don't know about is think about all of our polyester clothing. Right. And then what we do, we wash it, and then all those plastics, particles, nanoplastics, microplastics get in the water. And then if we're not filtering our water very well, we're getting it while we're drinking. Um, and then we throw all of our polyester in the dryer. Yeah, exactly. And then it gets in our dust. So we really need to filter our air. We need to vacuum our dust on a regular basis and get rid of the dust as much as possible. Um, so house cleaning on a regular basis, you know, getting one of those like eye rub robot rumbas that's gonna vacuum every day. And then you want to use a HAPAVAC at least once or twice a week to get the dust and the plastics down for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

To your point about house cleaning, let's not use house cleaning products that are toxins. I mean, it and and really, you know, with with all due respect, you know, we it's hard sometimes to just go through every day and and and think about wait a minute, am I worsening my environment by cleaning my house? Possibly, you know, if you're you know, we we've got filtered water, white vinegar, baking soda, and you can be done. That's what our grandparents and great-grandparents used, and and they did quite well. They didn't have all of the fragrances. I want to hear if you would tell the audience what you when you say endocrine disruptors, what does that mean? Because we we hear it, we kind of grok it, but I'd love to have them hear from a physician what that means.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

So some of the chemicals act like the hormones, and so they're gonna interact with the receptors as if they are the hormones that we're making in our bodies, but they're not. And so we can have estrogen dominance, too much estrogen, not because our own estrogen production, but because of the molecular mimicry that these chemicals have for the hormones. Um they can also um interfere at the receptor level, they can interfere at multiple different production levels. Um, so there's a variety of different pathways for them to disrupt the endocrine signaling.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

And so, for instance, if there's if they're sitting on a receptor site acting as a make-believe estrogen, our body, our brain, our pituitary is going to say, we got plenty of estrogen, look, it's all sitting there, but it's fake estrogen. And so we are having alleged estrogen dominance, yet we're not producing enough estrogen and we're not clearing it, and so we are toxic.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Exactly. Um, even some of the mycotoxins, so this is another one that um can be an endocrine disruptor, zeorelanone, which is a specific mycotoxin from different kinds of frucarium molds that grow both on foods and in water damaged buildings, can uh lead to uh premature breast development, uh premature men are um menses development. Um yeah, that's that's a huge problem.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Yeah, we and we see it. We see these young girls, you know, ages seven, eight, nine, you know, beginning their breast buds period, and and um, you know, they're not psychologically or spiritually ready for it. And certainly they're not, you know, of an age that is that really should be ready to begin their reproductive years. And um, when when we really think about this, is this is treatable, reversible. Um, not you know, not once once puberty has hit, you're not going to reverse puberty, but you can reverse the toxic load that is that that created this scenario.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Exactly. Yes, I've seen a lot of hormonal suppression to many young men walking into my clinic, you know, in their 20s and 30s with testosterone levels in the 200s. Yeah, that's just very, very low. Even men in their 80s should have testosterone levels higher than that. Um, and for a otherwise healthy 20-year-old man, um, his testosterone levels should be at least a thousand, if not much higher than that. We actually don't really know how high it should be because we weren't testing people 60, 70 years ago. Right. Uh, so we don't have good baseline.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Yeah. So so when a young man comes into your office with this low testosterone, I I would imagine they've done their AI search and have decided that they're going to supplement with testosterone, which is exactly the wrong thing that they need to do for the production of their own testosterone, right? It's going to just create, once again, that receptor site mimicry that will cause sperm production and testosterone production to lower even further. So, what do you have them do? What's your first course of action?

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Well, I mean, oftentimes they're coming into me because they have a myriad of other issues. And so having their testosterone be up is not necessarily top of mind. But if it's in combination with gastrointestinal issues, with chronic fatigue, uh, mast cell activation, then I'm looking for what are the what are the toxins, what are the infections that are likely dysregulating this this young man and also leading to low testosterone production. Um, you know, I had a young man come in and his testosterone was in the toilet. Turned out he had mold and he was having some mast cell issues. We cleaned up the mold, tried to get his mast cells under control, and he was still not doing very well. Uh a little deeper conversation. One of his favorite things to do was to go to the shooting range.

unknown 12:22

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

And his lead levels were higher, higher than I've ever seen in a living person. I mean, I obviously here in California, we don't have leaded pipes, we don't see high levels of lead. His lead was like nine or 10. Oh my god, there is no safe level of lead in the body. And not only was it causing brain fog and fatigue. I was gonna say, how was his brain? It was he was not, he was struggling. He was struggling, he was not doing very well. Um, yeah, so it's a whole picture of things. Um so we're really trying to look at what's going on, what's dysregulating everything. And there certainly are some supplements of which I am not an expert um because I'm really trying to focus on getting rid of the things that are causing the problem and allowing the body to eventually come back online.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Yes, exactly. And that has to happen, right? So so please don't just band-aid your symptoms. Uh you might feel well for a very short period because our bodies are brilliant at acclimating and readjusting, and then and then you'll crash again. So, yes, it's it's it's really important to identify the toxic burden, clear the toxic burden, and and possibly concurrently, but certainly or ideally later, because then you'll have a better foundation as to okay, now what does the picture look like to know whether or not you you need to supplement? Because sometimes thing you know, the body will come back on board. I mean, it's it's brilliant at recalibrating when we when we take out the the insult and create the healing.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Absolutely. Yeah. Um and I was also gonna say, and then it depends on the it depends on the man and where he's at in his you know life journey. If he's 45 and he's done having children and he really wants to have testosterone replacement, you know, it's not evil. Um, so that that is part of the discussion too. Um, but it is very important if we're talking about fertility for women and couples, that you know, testosterone replacement is going to interfere with the capacity.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Yeah, yes, it's good, it's going to interfere with your ability to create your own sperm. So um, yes, there and it's not a supplement, frankly. It's it's a it's a prescription. Clomid is the first course, you know, course of uh medication for increasing sperm production. Um, but that's that's a different story. I I'm trying to find a way to segue because I'm so excited about having this very, very, very important conversation that all of us and all of your patients that are coming in with fertility struggles and coming into me with fertility struggles are are also dealing with silently or maybe even subconsciously, and that is how it affects our spiritual health. And you know, I want to be I want to be mindful of the word spiritual because it could actually be a turnoff. So find the word, translate it for yourself, listeners and viewers. If that word doesn't work for you, we all know what we're trying to say. We're like there's a part of us that is not our physical body, it is not our mental body, it is our spiritual, soulful, whatever words you want to apply. So let's begin this conversation because I love that you have taken the the yeoman's ore and are putting this out there into the world. Tell us about your program.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Thank you, Susan. Um yes, it's it's I'm glad that you said that. Um it's interesting because the way that I talk about it to start the conversation is like that we're not talking about a religion. Right. We're hardly even talking about God. We're talking about if you look at a dead person and you look at a living person, you can tell the difference. Right? What is that difference? Well, science will tell us it's a like organizing system, blah blah blah. I because I looked it up last night. What does science really say about this? They don't want to believe in life force energy, they don't want to believe in qi or prana or any of the ancient wisdom traditions or medical traditions. I mean, traditional Chinese medicine has been talking about qi for 5,000 years. Exactly. Exactly. That's kind of what we're talking about is that that life force energy. So you don't have to believe in God, you don't have to believe in the universe. So we're not having this deep religious conversation or even spiritual conversation, just talking about you and the part of you that is not your thoughts, emotions, um, the physical body, right? Which is what I would call spirit. So that's our starting place. Um and I we have this idea in Western medicine and our Western culture that when the body doesn't work the way that we want it to, it's against us. Right. And particularly when you're struggling with fertility, you want to have a baby and your desires and your wants are focused from your mind on getting what you want. And oftentimes you get really angry and frustrated with your physical body because it's not it's not getting in line with the program. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

And and and in everyone's defense, forgive me for interrupting, we have been trained since childhood. If you do this, you will get that. If you study this, you'll get the degree. If you you know continue, what what whatever we we we are really designed to expect that that we will get the result that we want. And and we and this is a time in life where we may and we want to set ourselves up for improving that possibility to a probability. And yet this is the like you know, it's a it's a life and death moment, it's an existential moment where you know we have to do everything that we can, and then we surrender. Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Um and I I think my point is really is really highlighting this uh this schism, this split between the mind, I think therefore I am, and the body, which you know has no agency and it's supposed to be come in line with the mind, right? So this is this is how we think about health, that's how we think about life, that's how we think our body, about our bodies in general, um, is that there's an antagonist antagonistic relationship between our bodies when it doesn't do what we want. What if that premise is completely false? Right. If that premise is completely false, um and our bodies are actually on our side and they are acting in accordance with our spiritual aspects, right? I have actually come to believe in complex chronic illness in particular. The body is the voice piece of the spirit in order to get our attention to help us come back into alignment, not with what we think we should do or be, but who we actually came in as infants. Right. And I have developed a program called the Unforgetting Project. The unforgetting is taking away all the pieces that have caused us to forget who we really are on the planet. The idea being that we come in, I mean, when you look at a baby, how they are joy incarnate, right? Love incarnate, and then what happens to them? They're taught you're not okay. Don't make don't be so loud, don't be so messy. This is what it means to be a good boy, this is what it means to be a good girl. Fit in this box. And we we're little and helpless, and so we have to, right? It's a survival love. It's a survival, right? And then we take on all of those judgments placed on us and we internalize them, and we forget who we really are.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

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SPEAKER_01 21:35

And then at some point in our lives, it's a crisis, it is our body tries to speak to us and say, Hey, hey, pay attention. This is not the path, this is not in alignment with who you really are. You're letting yourself be a doormat, or you're letting this person abuse you, or you're abusing yourself, right? And telling yourself you're not good enough, you're not pretty enough, you're not whatever enough. You're numbing with late night, you know, scrolling or other kinds of substances that, yeah. Right. All of that. And so the body is saying, hey, louder, louder and louder and louder. Because like what do we do when people aren't paying attention to us? We poke our voices, we we have to start screaming. Um, I think about little kids in a grocery store trying to get their mom's attention. Mommy, mommy, mommy. You know, then it's like, mommy, mommy, mommy. And then all of a sudden they're screaming and have a temper tantrum. And I think that's what our bodies are trying to do. They're trying to get our attention and we are not listening. And what what do we do? We suppress, we diminish, we push through, we medicate. We don't listen. Yeah.

unknown 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

And then we self-sabotage.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

And then we self-sabotage.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Yeah. I love the I love the title, the unforgetting. It reminds me I had a I had a an amazing teacher at one point. He's he's gone to the other realms who actually redefined the word remembering for me. And he would say, you know, remembering is about reclaiming our membership.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

reclaiming all that was dismembered throughout our life because we came in here as members of this life experience and so to hear you're you're you're saying the same thing with a slightly different language and it's it's so beautiful because it it it just gets me right in the silver plexus and I know I'm not the only one because as you say our we didn't come in here this planet to be a body we came in here to use this body to express what it is that we what is our destiny what is our mission our assignment exactly um and it's all connected right the body mind spirit they're intertwined and I think the closest science gets to it is like the mitochondria and how the mitochondria create energy in every single cell of our body and we need that energy and that's it it's just throughout the entire being um which means that you know the body can become the map in many in many other medical systems Ayurveda and the chakra system uh traditional Chinese medicine there are maps of the body um in traditional Chinese medicine you have a map of your entire body on your ear you can do auricular acupuncture on the ear as every single aspect maps to the physical body um and the in my perspective the body becomes the map through which we understand the messages that the body is trying to send so if there is a problem with the thyroid for example which happens with a lot of women is there an issue with speaking your truth using your voice um is there a disconnect between your head and your heart what you're what you're saying and thinking might be disconnected from what you're actually feeling inside.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

From your wisdom knowing and isn't it interesting I was just thinking so often there is postpartum autoimmune Hashimoto's thyroiditis. So what I wonder what is happening during that delivery and postpartum phase because she's fine during pregnancy she has this baby and then you know within a short period of time she's coming up with these autoimmune thyroid symptoms I'm just wondering aloud you know is this a time when she is when she is not being honored for being the the mother like the like the mother and she's and and she's scared because nobody's taught her how to be a mother nobody teach teaches any of us how to be a mother but we should we've all of those of us who've been one should be should be you know reaching back and saying let let me help you um and and and and then and then you and then you tell me tell me what's you know what you what you think what you feel what you know well um I I can I can speculate I mean uh I'll speculate and then I'll I'll I'll share how it actually works in in the Unforgetting project.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

So my suspicion may be that especially if she's worked so hard to have this baby and then it is really freaking hard and she's having some buyer's remorse right but the last thing that she can do is say oh my goodness what have I done now I have this child and I'm so overwhelmed and I'm so afraid and my my my boundaries have been crossed right because the immune system is our our boundaries it's the part of our system that says this is mine and this is not mine and now all of a sudden hey this baby that's like a symbiotic uh has a symbiotic relationship with me and I don't know who's me and who's the baby and I I'm not so sure I like this new arrangement.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

I mean I think and then I feel guilty for having even the a flicker of these feelings because I'm supposed to only look like the Instagram feed where everything is you know is rosy and and you know the sun is rising or setting in the meadows.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Yeah exactly yeah so it's not surprising that things would happen postpartum because there's so much going on mentally emotionally spiritually that is not it's not okay to talk about right um that would be my suspicion something like that um now the thing the thing that I have really learned about unforgetting and how to work with people in this situation is that we have to allow the body to talk and the body to guide um which is kind of unusual right so I work with people in a group we have a nine week transformational program um we're starting a new cohort in March we'll start another one in April putting that in the show notes so people can reach out. Yeah I started the the first cohort in January and um this is information and stuff that I've been doing for a really long time but didn't quite know how to uh put it out there in the world and so we're what we do as part of that is I do a little lecture and then we actually break into groups of three and we call that we call it a trio process. And so there are you know 30 some odd people in the class and we break into a group of three and there's a role for each person in the trio um one person is the explorer one person is the companion one person is the the anchor or the what we call the neutral observer the anchor who's like holding space and the explorer is the one doing the internal work and the companion is the one helping kind of not guide but you know when you walk support say you're going on a walk with a friend and somebody's got their eyes closed and that's the companion right so they're looking out and trying to help and guide but they don't necessarily know the way either they're just gonna uh support along the way so the idea is that we start with something we're triggered by a situation a sensation in the body a symptom in the body and then go into that feel what that feels like and then explore what is the emotion that is held in the body underneath that sensation. Here's the most important part we actually just have to feel those feelings. Yeah and that means staying in the body letting yourself cry letting yourself scream letting yourself feel whatever that feels like no matter how awkward and uncomfortable it is guess what folks it only lasts like 30 to 90 seconds at most.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Thank you for saying that because I think we we forget we we think that it's going to take us down and it is just energy that wants to dissipate and recreate.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Exactly yeah I mean I've been very sad and I've sobbed many times over my lifetime you can't sob forever to stop the work right eventually you actually worst case scenario you go to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Yeah but recover there.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Exactly but in this container you you know you you express your feelings and then after that it's such a relief and and you're you're sitting in this space with what I think is your spirit your soul it's it's finally able to come through and you see things from a much deeper more loving perspective.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Yeah I I love this you know we have become so enamored with the mind for the last maybe hundred years we have forgotten so we need to unforget the that that that our nervous system actually is kind of supreme intelligence right I mean and that's why the acupuncture meridians and you know other other traditional I call them traditional systems you know used the body uh you know the with the with they I don't have any information that that says you know in 4,000 years ago we would talk talk talk talk talk in the hope that our problem would resolve but man we've gotten so accustomed to hearing ourselves talk and not listening to our body i and I just love that the this idea of using not using allowing the body to tell us and direct us as to where we've gone a little sideways. So again it's not nothing's wrong it's just gone a little bit down a different path than where we are destined and committed to going. And so it's as you say first whispering then knocking then shouting and then kind of you know tripping us over our own feet to say stop.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Exactly yeah um it it's very it's so powerful it's so powerful and when you actually feel those feelings and you're in that state of loving with other people who are in a similar state it's so powerful. It's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

Yeah yeah because we want to be seen we want to be understood we want to see and understand each other and so taking it slightly back to the fertility conversation or infertility conversation at a time when people are feeling probably less seen and understood for their for the spiritual pain that they're going through while and even if they have success nobody is saying hey how how are you in there?

SPEAKER_01 34:19

I shouldn't say nobody I mean certainly there you know psychotherapy is wonderful and has its role but it but it is often addressing the mind and not the spirit and yeah right yeah when you actually look at the medical literature which I did over the weekend um there are you know a handful of of um systems of psychology that are recognizing that spirituality is important a handful right it is really the body is the purview of the physicians the mind is in the pocket of the therapists the psychiatrists um the psychologists and if you have a spiritual problem you go to your spiritual guru minister you know yoga teacher whatever um but they're not talking to each other they're all existing in this one living breathing organism that has a life force that yeah I know it's true they're not talking to each other so now all of a sudden I have this dream for you that you're going to create the center where they do talk to each other.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

How great is that how great is that yes exactly do you have any um you know any and I know we've gotten a little a little um esoteric in in in descrip but but it's important but any any sort of uh takeaways or practices that the listening viewing audience can say okay I can start there and and and and demonstrate to myself that what Dr.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Kelly is saying I can experience absolutely so the first thing I would do is pay attention to how you talk to yourself pay attention to your perception of your body versus your perception of your mind.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Do you mind do you mind saying just a little bit more about that? Yeah just the perception of your body as compared to the perception of your mind.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

So just what we've been talking about this idea that the mind is supreme yeah right I want to do this I want to have a baby I you know it's that time of my life I just got married I deserved this why isn't this happening to me you know there's a lot about the mind there's a lot of story about the mind and if we're not getting our way there's a lot of negativity about the situation and my first suggestion would be just pay attention listen observe how are you holding this situation inside of yourself are you mad at your body are you mad at God? You know where are you in this process?

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Um and just bring an awareness to that it's almost like how are you mothering yourself in this moment as you are mothering yourself exactly that's you're imprinting and so if you are if you can if you can take this struggle this moment of struggle and and mother yourself and imprint and practice the the mothering you're changing well you're changing the world frankly but you're changing all the physical and physiological I'll call them impediments by by opening up this conversation with yourself.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Yeah and really shifting your consciousness into a loving way of doing it. And so starting to see your body as something to be loved and adored and worshiped um by yourself um to be nurtured and mothered I love that that's so beautiful um how can we yeah how can we expect to be good moms to other people if we're terrible moms to ourselves if we're like okay body get get on board I'm angry at you that's not very loving and and nurturing that's I I I'm gonna even go so far as to say listeners viewers take this suggestion and and we become a little addicted to our you know our phones like put a count like give yourself five alarms during the day for a quick check-in a quick 20 second check-in a lovely chime on your phone how do I feel not what do I think but how do I feel and just that moment alone I'm gonna say it's gonna require a deeper breath because it's a moment of reflection and it is going to shift everything to a more fertile way of being in that moment. Right.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

Yeah yeah I love that um and then I always find it helpful to listen to the body actually have a conversation with the body have you ever had a conversation with your body if not maybe it's time right so after you are paying attention and doing some of these awarenesses why not have coffee with your body coffee or tea and sit down and have a chat and you can do this a variety of different ways you can write with your non-dominant hand as your physical body you can set up two chairs and go back and forth with your physical body and have a conversation so you are yourself and then when you sit in the other chair drop into the consciousness of your uterus your ovaries whatever see what whatever going to work intelligent organs they are animate organs and figure out here's what I here's what I would encourage you want to listen to that part of you you don't want to tell it what to do because you're already doing that we want we want we want to have the opposite conversation I really would encourage you to listen and see what comes up yeah that's beautiful I mean that's I mean you're it is you're redeveloping a relationship with your body you know I I would even suggest in addition to all of that the before you actually open your eyes you're you know you're awake but you're kind of in that wonderful twilight between awake and up just have a moment of scanning perhaps of like you know thank you thank thank you for waking up this morning brain thank you for beating through all through the night heart thank you for detoxing me all through the night while I had this wonderful dream liver and you know colon thank you because you're about to help me you know get rid of the toxins that were that were uh you know kind of accumulated and processed overnight but what a beautiful way to start your day before you turn on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Yeah with a lot more gratitude I love that um there's an exercise I did with my class last week um and I just had them scan their bodies first and then I had them write down for 90 seconds everything in their life that they're grateful for. 90 seconds it absolutely changes how you think about your life.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

I love seeing how yeah I love seeing the emotion that comes up in you right now describing it. And I would even suggest possibly that if you're doing that exercise and you're and nothing is coming up that's okay too like again there's a moment of okay so you know how are you how are you with that you're struggling to perform this exercise I'm imagining myself because I because I would I could see myself going I got six items out of and and and I know there are more but I'm but I'm stuck and then I'd be you know kind of going down that that reverse keeping yourself up about it. Yeah yeah that is beautiful well I clearly could talk with you about this for hours but I want to value your time and the viewer and listening audience's time perhaps we can come back and have a part two where we go into another level of depth on this conversation because again it is the conversation that is most sorely lacking in our world today and certainly in our in our niche if you will of the fertility conversation today. So I before we before we sign off it I've been you know leading the conversation um and I don't want and sometimes interrupting the conversation my apologies I'm too excited is there anything you want to make sure that you impart to the listening and viewing audience that um that that they can just kind of take yeah you know as a as a functional medicine physician who's taken care of a lot of really really really sick patients um what I have found is that this is the missing piece.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

If we're not really paying attention to your soul to your spirit um we're gonna keep going around and around and around in circles. Around the drain around the draining the drain around the drain you know because you can do vagus nerve work and limbic system work and you can do um you know all these programs and you can do trauma and therapy and it'll be great great stuff and it will move the needle but it doesn't take you across the finish line. Paying attention to the body expressing those emotions and experiencing your authentic self what I call in the unforgetting project your remembered self that's where that's where all the intuition comes from all of the knowing all of who you really are is on the planet and that is the most powerful thing then you don't have to make decisions from here right it's very exhausting to make decisions from your mind all the time and you worry am I did I make the right decision did I not how do I know when you unforget and you experience your remembered self everything else makes sense. It's just oh this is what I'm supposed to do this is how I'm supposed to be it makes life so much more beautiful because you're coming from that place of real authentic knowing.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Yeah that's beautiful thank you so very much I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm envisioning Know, I've never known anybody who has on their deathbed said, gosh, if only I had gotten my lab values better. You know, that like so you know, so it's really this whole conversation is like, let's get real, let's get authentic. Dare to remember who you are. I feel like Simba's uh uh father out there in the clouds, remember who you are because that is who we need you to be. That is who your future child needs you to be. So, yes, remember who you are.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

And on that loving and lovely note, I'm gonna say again, thank you so very much, Dr. Kelly, for coming and chatting with us today. Viewers, listeners, thank you so much for joining us today. Please share this conversation with those who you love and frankly, maybe even those who might be a little irritating because they can't. Certainly in the realm of fertility, we know that one in five is struggling. So uh just you know, share with five, and you're likely to have changed someone's life for the better, and including your own. So once again, thank you so, so, so very much for your time. We're gonna circle back and do this another time. But until then, we will end with my favorite line of closing health university, class dismissed.