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Evolve or Repeat
Join Liv and Shelby, two midwest twenty-somethings, as they take you along their own personal growth journeys and what it means to truly pour into yourself as a young adult.
Evolve or Repeat
15. Shelby Asks Liv: The Transformative Tales of a Hairstylist
In our latest episode, Liv and Shelby are flipping the script and taking turns in the interviewer's seat. The hair industry is no easy feat - Liv's had her fair share of color catastrophes and triumphs.
Listen as she unravel the threads of building a dream clientele, the magic in a first-time hair color, and the privilege of supporting someone through their chemotherapy journey. Together, Shelby dives in to help Liv to uncover the personal growth that makes the hard work behind the chair worth every moment.
Let's get real about self-care, especially when your job is as emotionally charged as hairstyling. Liv opens up about the self-care rituals that keep her sane in the salon, from hot yoga to morning routines and the essential art of setting boundaries. We also dispense some sage advice for those with their sights set on the styling world. Plug in, pour yourself that emotional support drink, and prepare for a blend of professional wisdom wrapped in personal tales.
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You need to be in an environment where people want to see you succeed.
Shelby:people support you and people are rooting for you, hey we're Liv and Shelby, and we're two Midwest 20-somethings fascinated with all things personal growth, healing and evolving into the best version of yourself possible.
Liv:Over the last four years, we've gone from lost, sad and broke to secure, confident, abundant and full of purpose Now we're inviting you along our journey too.
Shelby:We teach you everything we've learned thus far and the secrets to building a life you truly love.
Liv:Think it's all rainbows and butterflies. Think again. Friendships, social media relationships and navigating a self-growth journey are all topics we dive into.
Shelby:Think of this as a 2 am conversation with your best friend, mixed with the hard truths and obstacles needed to level up.
Liv:So grab your favorite emotional support drink, make sure you're comfy and get ready to challenge your limiting beliefs that you didn't even know you had. This is Evolve or Repeat.
Shelby:Hey guys, welcome back to Evolve or Repeat the podcast. Welcome. So excited. We're continuing our series, part two of us interviewing each other. Last week, if you missed the episode, liv interviewed me about my social media career and everything that came with that, and this week I'm going to be interviewing her what it means to be a hairstylist. Hell yeah, let's do this thing. But while I pull up these questions, what's new with you? You just got back from a bridal shower.
Liv:I feel like we're at the age where everybody is either getting married or having kids Like I have five weddings this year, five, five. I'm not in any of them, thankfully, but I think I'm going to.
Shelby:That's crazy, I know yeah.
Liv:Well, I'm doing hair for like a couple just because it's like close friends. Yeah, I love that for you we would have had six, but we said no to that one. I was like I can't do it.
Liv:But no, life has been good. It was nice to see everybody at the bridal shower. I haven't seen some of those people in a while, so it's always good to reconnect with some old friends. Yeah, it was like mostly hometown people, right? Yeah, yeah, and it's been forever since I've seen them. We've all. I just feel like also, when you're at this age, it's like you're just living day by day, doing your job, you know, going to work, coming home and like living the same life over and over like life just gets crazy and you don't get to see the people that you used to see all the time.
Shelby:So it's good to catch up yeah, I mean it's nice to have like those moments where, like you see those people because it like it forces you to like actually talk to them and like connect. Yes, exactly out of that like daily routine and she had the cutest.
Liv:So I brought shelby a bouquet of flowers because they had a bouquet making station, which I thought was so cute. They had soft serve ice cream. You could make your own sundae. Shut up, yeah, I ate that shit up. Where was it? Like? It was in paoli. It's like this tiny little town outside of verona okay and it was at like this dairy company, but it's a really cute like industrial vibe oh yeah, I bet those pictures turned out stunning oh yeah, they had, like mosa's, the charcuterie board stuff like all of it.
Liv:Oh my god, that sounds like such a vibe, so good on like a saturday like midday making a bouquet eating some soft serve. Wow, I love catching up with friends. How was your trip, oh?
Shelby:um, so eventful. So eventful for anybody that doesn't know I went to south padre island for the last like week and a half, which is also what kind of like why we were on a hiatus for the podcast for a hot sec um, but I was with my uh company. I can say not with my old company, with my company, because I got my job back holy shit, I was gonna ask you.
Shelby:Yeah, I didn't even know that yeah, got my job back, which was so exciting I found the day before I left. Yeah, I was in south padre island with my company, uh, because we were with our client uh in great orchard down in south padre helping to promote their new product, crisp light, light. We're managing like some brand ambassadors on site, like during like pool parties and like bars and stuff, and, honestly, like being out of college for a couple years and then like witnessing just like a mass amount of college students oh my God, I felt so goddamn old, like I mean, most of these kids were like 21, 22, because you had to be like that age to like receive the sample. Like we were scanning everyone's IDs, but being at these bars and just like being a fly on the wall and watching these college students interact. I mean, there were people like making out against like polls. We had one guy with like a strip of Magnum condoms hanging out of his mouth Not the fuck.
Liv:Oh my God, condoms hanging out of his mouth, not the fuck.
Shelby:Oh my god. There was one one guy that came up to the bartenders when we were standing like kind of to the side of the bar because, like they had to pour the drinks for us, obviously like legally. So it was me and my co-worker standing there and some guy came up to the bartenders and was like do you accept wire transfers? We all looked at him and we're like what the fuck? You're like when you wire, like a bunch of like you have to do a wire transfer, like it's for like very big transactions, like if you were going to buy, like I think it's mostly for like drug dealers or like people that have like loads and loads and loads of money.
Shelby:Yeah, the guy asked if he could like do a wire transfer for like a drink.
Liv:And we're like what the fuck? It's literally $6.
Shelby:It's. It's literally like six dollars. You have a credit card like are you okay? Yeah, it was. It was wild. There were honestly so many stories, but it was a lot of fun. Got to be in the sun and, honestly, like I was working 12 hour days and it was like so exhausting. We get up at like 10 am, work from like 11 to 5 30 pm. We'd be on our feet like all day. We get two hours like put our feet up, like eat some food and like chill out, and then we were working like the nighttime, whether it was like a nighttime pool party or like going to like one of the bars that a lot of the kids like went to from like 8 to like 2 am and then we'd go to bed and wake up and do it all over again. But honestly, I was kind of vibing with it. Like I got, like average, like 15,000 steps a day, like I wasn't really on my phone.
Shelby:I was in the sun so although it was like a lot of physical work, it was actually like a really really good time that's good. Yeah, it's kind of like a mental break too, from just like being at home like in your normal routine literally that's the exact way I looked at it and, honestly, like on my way there, my first flight was from madison to dallas and I always just pop my airpods in like right at the beginning of the flight. I'm like I don't need to hear your safety bullshit like.
Shelby:I've heard this like a hundred times, I don't need to hear this again. And we landed and I take my my airpods out and I like, turn that airplane mode off my phone. My first flight got diverted to oklahoma city instead of going to dallas, where we were supposed to go, because of a storm, and I was like, what the fuck? Like I'm going to miss my connecting flight. Like this is not going to be good. Turns out that our bathroom was also not pressurized correctly, so people on the flight could not go to the bathroom for three hours. Yeah, so we were meant to have a gate at Oklahoma City, because that's not where our plane was going. So not only do we have to land there, but then they had to find us a gate so everybody could get off and go to the bathroom. So they're like, okay, everybody get off. Like we're gonna get off and everybody's gonna get back on the plane and then we're gonna wait it out and go to Dallas.
Shelby:We stayed in the Oklahoma City airport, I think, for four hours, finally ended up getting on this plane, got to Dallas and by the time I got there, there was not another connecting flight to where I was supposed to go, like that night, so I had to sleep overnight in the Dallas airport on the fucking floor in the corner. It was so brutal. It was so brutal. I had like a panic attack getting off the flight and like there were just people everywhere because there was like so many cancellations and delays and I called Tyler like in tears because I had never like run into any issues in traveling before, but yeah, it was an experience.
Liv:It because I had never like run into any issues in traveling before, but yeah, it was an experience. It's fucking stressful. One time I ended up in Detroit, fucking Michigan, and I had I was it was delayed like six hours.
Liv:So I was also on the floor sleeping because I was unwell, I don't even know where I was coming from. And then the plane that they brought in they overbooked it. They had too many people for that plane because it was a lot smaller than maybe they thought, I don't know. So they were like offering these like vouchers, like we'll give you a thousand dollars if you like go on a different plane, or like you stay the night here and then fly out tomorrow. And I was like fuck that, bro, I need to get home.
Liv:Literally I don't even care, I'm staying on this plane. Did you get on it?
Shelby:Yes, I was literally there, me and one other person left were the last two, and then everybody else got denied. They were like you have to go, you have to stop stay. We're gonna give you a voucher.
Liv:Like yeah, I was, so, I got so lucky that's like one of the only like qualified reasons for everybody to like rush to the front as much as possible, otherwise I genuinely don't understand it. I don't understand why people try to rush. Until that happened to me, I was like, okay, now I get.
Shelby:Now I understand now I understand why everybody's rushing because clearly it's not guaranteed. No, traveling by yourself is such like a main character moment and like you feel, like you're in like a movie or like a music video until shit goes wrong.
Shelby:And then you're like fuck my life, I hate being alone right now. It's so stressful, oh my God. Anyways, yeah, anyways, we can get into the interview. Yeah, we can dive right to everything. I'll start off like an easy question. I'm kind of like just a general, well-rounded one what inspired you to become a hairstylist and enter the industry that you're in right now?
Liv:Well, I had always loved the beauty industry. I was somebody growing up like constantly watching YouTube videos on how to do my makeup, like constantly watching hair videos tutorials. This was before TikTok.
Shelby:Literally.
Liv:I was a YouTube fiend and then I was. You know, eventually I was going to go into the fashion industry. That was like my main route, that I thought I was going to go, which was is like, similar to beauty, like very creative whatever.
Liv:And then I started doing the network marketing business and obviously it was for a hair care company and that really brought out side of me, like the beauty side, where I was like, oh my gosh, I'm like transforming people's hair and like I am getting such a reward out of this. I'm making people feel beautiful, I get to connect with so many people. And then COVID happened and I just like kind of had an epiphany moment, I don't know. Something just clicked in my head where I was like I want to do the beauty industry like full force, like I think this is really what I want to do, I'm super passionate about it and everybody was telling me to do it.
Liv:Some people had their doubts but because when you're that far in, you're like, okay, do I really want to change up what I want to do? But I yeah, it was honestly like the network marketing business really inspired me to get into hair, like to be a hairstylist and just being able to make people feel beautiful and confident, like that is the most rewarding thing ever and that's my favorite thing about my job, like it is so rewarding, yeah, you definitely needed something like that, like with your personality and how much you love like helping other people Like.
Shelby:Of course you can do that like through fashion and like clothes and things, but at the the same time, like it's not you having that direct impact, I feel like being a hairstylist it's like you are hands-on, like talking to these people for what like hours on end about their lives and then not only are you able to like, transform like them through conversation with you, but then like also, like through their hair and like exactly and like I have a lot of family in the fashion industry and they just were.
Liv:They were kind of telling me like the truth about, about it and the honesty what comes with the fashion industry, and I just didn't know if I wanted to get into that. It's hard too because with the way fashion is going, it's such fast fashion, nothing is sustainable anymore. And I was like, yeah, I don't know if I can do this. I had to do a whole research paper on fast fashion and I was like, holy shit, I don't know if I want to be a part of this.
Shelby:It's so scary honestly yeah, and it's a very cutthroat industry. I feel like COVID was honestly like such a transformative period for so many people because it forced everyone to like slow down and really like ask themselves and like connect with themselves. Like is the journey that I'm on like actually the journey for me? You know what I mean exactly. I love that you like had that moment, uh, during COVID, and like you realize, like no, I like I want to bet on myself and I actually do want to go into the beauty industry, especially if it was a passion of yours for like
Liv:years before, like you, even knew what you wanted to do it was so full circle because I grew up my neighbor Jeannie love her. She was a hairstylist and she would do everybody's hair out of her house and like we would always go over to her house and she would do our hair and like I just loved it. Like nothing made me feel better than like going to her and getting my hair done. And then, yeah, just growing up I just I absolutely loved it. I was on dance team and I loved like doing makeup. I loved doing everybody's hair braiding, like it was just, it was just meant to be what I was supposed to do.
Shelby:Yeah, girlhood, very girlhood, coded. Yes, yeah, I love. What are some of the biggest challenges that you currently face as a hairstylist and how do you work to overcome them?
Liv:So I'm still considered like a baby stylist, like it's only been well since I started Kaz school. That was three years ago, almost now which is crazy.
Shelby:Girl, I remember like your first day.
Liv:Dude, I try to black it out. I feel like the biggest challenges that I've faced were just kind of getting over myself, like getting over perfectionism and like tearing myself apart and tearing my work apart, because I am such a perfectionist when it comes to this industry and I'm people pleaser at heart. I've been working on it, but I for so long had so much pressure on myself like you need to please everybody, you need to make them feel the most beautiful they've ever felt, like whatever, and then if they didn't feel that way, I would get. I would take that so personally, like if they don't tell me oh my, this is like the best hair I've ever gotten in my life. I'm like, oh my God, you hate it.
Shelby:It's either black or white. There's no in between.
Liv:I was very hard on myself at first. I think that was the biggest challenge was just kind of accepting the fact that, like you're going to have people that aren't going to like the way that you do their hair, and that's fine, they don't have to come back to you. You're going to build a clientele that best suits you and in the beginning it's like you kind of have to sift through a lot of people to get to your dream clientele, which is I'm still working on that. I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to that. But it was kind of like a big slap in the face, like nobody kind of warns you that you're gonna have to go through a lot of trial and error behind the chair to like have the confidence behind the chair yeah that was kind of like a rant of a million things, but hopefully that makes it does make a lot of sense.
Shelby:And I feel like that also, too, goes for anything like even if you are listening to this and you're not a hairstylist, but like you're doing something and you're kind of like in the beginning stages of it, you're not going going to be perfect at it and it's not going to be the exact way that you want it, or you're not going to have like your dream clients or like the dream people that you're working with right away. And if you are like, you are blessed as fuck because that doesn't really happen for many people when they're starting something new, but just having like the perseverance and the grit to like keep going.
Liv:And I think you also learned a lot about like your dream clientele and like the types of hair that you want to do to where now, like, you know how to market yourself on social media to like attract those types of clients you want, and I will always say, like, just don't put yourself in a box, because if I were to put myself in a box, I maybe wouldn't have got to the point now where I'm like specializing and lived in hair color, because that's what I've found that I'm most passionate about. I was taking, like any sort of client, I was doing, and I still am to a certain extent, but like I'm challenging myself to do things that maybe are outside of my comfort zone, and I highly highly recommend you do so all the time when you're behind the chair so that you can just that's going to help you build more confidence yeah, and even like just putting yourself like outside of your comfort zone, like that is where growth is found, you know exactly, if you don't force yourself to like try new things.
Shelby:You're never going to know what lies on the other side of that. And like, if you wouldn't have started doing, lived in color and like really like kind of like leaning into that, maybe you would have never found that like, that is like your passion you know exactly right before we started recording to live, said that she had an experience yesterday with somebody that she like transformed their hair and they had like a really awesome experience and I was like wait, save it for the podcast.
Shelby:But next question is like can you share any memorable or challenging experiences that you've had while working with clients?
Liv:so perfect yeah, yesterday I've had a couple people cry in my chair, which has been crazy that's amazing um, but yesterday I did this girl's hair and she's the sweetest human on earth and she had virgin hair. Nobody had touched her hair stop, yeah. So she had like full trust in me and it wasn't even that big of like a change, like it was just a balayage, but to her like it's a huge change and like I knew that going into it, I'm like either way she's gonna feel like a different person because she's never had her hair touched and I turned her around and I could just tell like the tears were coming.
Liv:She's like oh my god, like I feel like the biggest compliment I can hear is like when somebody like I do their hair and they're like, oh my gosh, like my hair hasn't looked this good since I was a kid. Like when they have like the beautiful natural, like blonde highlights from the sun like you know what I mean. Like and I get that people say that all the time and I'm like that's probably the best compliment when it comes to a hairstylist that you could say to a hairstylist.
Shelby:I've never even thought about like people like saying or like making that compliment, but honestly like so true, you know, like when you're a kid, like your hair does get like highlights in the sun and it's like the most perfect it's ever been yeah, I feel like people are just like chasing that I know, I know, I love that just that like natural sun kiss look.
Liv:But yeah, she loved it. I like showed her the back too, because we she never curls her hair either, like she's a very much like she doesn't do anything to her hair. So when she saw this, she was like, holy shit, like my hair can look like this, wow so. And she was like I was like can we take some pictures? And she's like, oh, my god, yeah, let me just like get the tears off my face and I was like oh my god you're an angel.
Liv:So, yeah, I've had a couple moments like that, which have been I love, very rewarding.
Shelby:And then you also had one too, with a lady that had cancer right oh my gosh.
Liv:Yeah, she came in and she had called like previously to like let us know that like she's cutting her hair because she's going through chemo and my boss had like bought her a bouquet of flowers. Like we set it up all nice, because she was obviously going to be a traumatizing experience for her. We wanted to make it less, as less traumatizing as possible, so we came in. She like came in at night and we had the flowers out for her. She already had a tissue box in her hand.
Liv:She set it down on my station I'm gonna cry I know, and she like, like, thinking about it gives me chills, it makes me want to cry. But she immediately started crying, like before. She even talked, tears forming in my eyes I know I'm in my luteal phase and well and of course, this was like I think this was like three months into me being behind the chair. So I was like how do I handle this? Like I had no fucking clue.
Shelby:Our eyes are like welling up.
Liv:I know my eyes are watering, but she had so much hair Like you would not know that she was going through chemo. Obviously she could tell it was like thinning like crazy, but you could not tell because she had such thick hair. So we decided to do a little pixie cut on her and whatever the whole time, like when I initially cut the most off, she just started like she was like weeping bro, like in my chair that shit was so hard, oh my god. And so we got done and she was just very thankful.
Shelby:It probably took like an hour and a half, because she had such thick hair and like her hair was like down past her boobs, so like cut like doing that big of a transformation is so hard with that imagine like I can't imagine how you felt, though, too, because, like being in, like you want to be sensitive to the situation but, at the end of the day, like you, are there to be the one that's cutting the hair off. Exactly, you know, so you're like this is like the weird, like paradox where I want to comfort you but also like I'm the one that's doing it.
Liv:Yeah, and she was like I want to just do a pixie first, like I don't want to fully shave it yet, like I'll probably back in a week to shave it, and I was like, oh my god, like this has to be so hard for her and then, yeah, she left.
Liv:We comped it for her and she was super grateful. We like all gave her a hug and I was literally sobbing, like tears were just rolling down my eyes or rolling down my face, and I was yeah. So that was a huge moment that I'll never forget. I haven't seen her since, so I hope she's doing okay.
Shelby:But when you think about like being a hairstylist too. Like most people probably think like, oh, like they're just the people that like do people's hair. Like you know you talk to them for like a little bit, like you're in and out, whatever, but like you truly do have like the capacity to like change people's lives, like through their hair.
Shelby:You know, like you, wear your hair every day. It's not like exactly you wear the same like outfit every single day, but it's like a part of you, that is like with you, that you style every single day and if you do a good job, as like a hairstylist or like you give somebody like a memorable experience they're gonna remember you and that for like ever exactly, and I mean hair is a huge part of your identity.
Liv:Like when I have a good hair day, I'm like holy shit, I'm feeling myself. You know what I mean like you're gonna have good makeup but if you don't have a good hair day with that, it's not the same.
Liv:No at all so if I can transform somebody's hair into doing something that they're not used to seeing and it makes them feel like insanely beautiful, like that's the biggest reward I could ever have, I'm so excited for you to do my hair again. I know, I've literally, I think about it every day forever she chopped my hair. It was actually march of holy last year, so it's been a year. It's been a year.
Shelby:Yeah, my hair has grown so much well, and you went dark yeah, last year yeah I did. I'm like I just I want my hair to grow out so that way. Like she can like color it to the way that I want to. Again, like we're kind of all over the place with my hair for the past two years, but so excited for you to do my hair again, honestly, like I had been getting my hair done since I was a sophomore in college. When was the first time you did my hair like?
Liv:I was literally in cos school like three, three years ago. Yeah, it had to have been like like march or april of like, because it was like towards the end of my program, because obviously it was learning color yeah, I don't know I care.
Shelby:I think like three years, three years ago it was definitely three years ago by now, but like you were the first person like actually did my hair the way that I was like looking for besides the money piece that's fine.
Liv:My instructor did the money, it's fine.
Shelby:But like looking at, I was like how did she like like blend it this way like? Yeah anyway, my mind was blown. But you truly mean it, like when you say, like doing people's hair like can have such a huge impact on them. Because going to you and like getting my hair done by you, I was like, okay, nobody else is ever touching my hair again like I.
Liv:You found somebody that, like you trust and you want to keep going to them because they can keep making you feel beautiful with their hair exactly, and I feel like it's hard for people to trust a hairstylist because so many people have traumatizing experiences.
Shelby:I mean, I do too, so I get it the first time I got my hair done was right before spring break, sophomore year of college, and I was so excited I had virgin hair too like nobody had touched it and a dream I asked for like a balayage.
Shelby:I just wanted like a little bit like lighter on my ends for like that sun kiss look like, because I was going to a beach and the way that the lady did it, the bleach was like bleeding into my hair. The top half of my head was like brown and then the bottom half was like yellow.
Liv:Oh my god, it was so bad, yeah so my biggest advice is like doing your research on who like you would be so surprised how many people don't do their research before going to a hairstylist, and it just blows my mind. I don't know if they just don't care as much about their hair as I do, but like.
Liv:I like okay, for example, I had somebody come to me. I ended up sending them away because I was like I don't specialize this, I don't do this, I don't feel confident in it. And she sits in my chair and she's like I want light, mint, green hair. And I was like, okay, well, that's awesome for you, but, like I, that's first of all going to take probably eight hours to do because you have to lighten your, you have to bleach your whole head and then put green on your hair. And so I was like you know what? I don't specialize in fashion colors, but I'll give you some recommendations like where to go for that, because I want you to like your hair and if I don't specialize in that and I'm not going to give you that best hair that you want, I don't want to do that for you like, I want black hair.
Liv:She had black hair and she wanted mint green hair.
Shelby:I know you always talk about too that it takes like forever to like lighten your hair.
Liv:Oh yeah, that must take like forever oh, that would take a million years. So I was like I can give you a haircut today.
Shelby:But I'm not giving you my green hair yeah, which.
Liv:So I just, yeah, I give people. The best advice I can give is just doing your research, like, if you want somebody, if you want hair that's like very natural and like balayage, like research who does that in your area? Who specializes in balayage? Lived in color. If you want like bright ass blonde, like research, to make sure you're going to a blonde specialist, because there's people out there that don't specialize in those things and they could fuck up your hair, hello test.
Shelby:Should we tell them what happened? We're back for a third time. Everyone, um, unfortunately, we recorded this entire episode and then realized, uh, at the end, that it only recorded like what?
Liv:like 20 minutes yeah, and it was so the best episode ever. We were so upset damn near was crying, yeah, so hopefully we can reiterate what we said on that.
Shelby:Yeah, we, we figured that like, instead of trying to re-record it like right when we got done, we think that we would have just been like trying to repeat what we said and it just wouldn't have come across authentic. So gave ourselves a couple days. We're going to sit back down, dive back in. Thankfully, the episode cut off right when we were done, kind of finishing a thought on one question, so we're just going to dive back into the next one and keep rolling with it, we're going to keep rolling baby Learning curves.
Shelby:just going to dive back into the next one, yeah, and keep rolling with it.
Liv:We're gonna keep rolling baby learning curves what technology does to us? We're learning all the things about recording and having a podcast. Imagine if we recorded the whole thing and it didn't do like. At least we got 20 minutes. At least we got 20 minutes. Look at the positive side all right.
Shelby:So diving back in the next question. In your experience, how does a great hairstyle contribute to a person's confidence and self-esteem?
Liv:I always say this to my clients like, you're the one wearing your hair every day. So when you have a good hair day like you just feel good. I feel like I would prefer hair over makeup. Honestly, like a good makeup day, I'd prefer a good hair day. I don't know what it is, but like something about a good style just makes your confidence like skyrocket.
Shelby:Absolutely.
Shelby:I feel like, honestly, like a hoodlum, when I don't like take care of my hair and I'm just like throwing my hair up and I don't wash it for a couple days. So when you do take the time to like go in, like treat your hair, get your hair down the way that you want it to, you know you're putting oils in it, you're using the right, right products, like it really is something that contributes to your confidence and your self-esteem, and like you're changing your outfit every single day like you can. You can pick what you want to put on your body every single day. But your hair is attached to your body and it's still something that contributes to like your self-esteem and like your overall, like physical presence. So if you're not taking care of it and like your ends are damaged or like things are like breaking off and all the things it really is going to have like a long lasting effect on your confidence, like overall, it is for sure.
Liv:And that's why, when I recommend, like, good products and good at home care, like I do that for my client's benefit. It's not for my benefit. Like I truly just want you to feel good about your hair. I want you to feel good about your scalp. I don't want you to have issues when it comes to your hair. I want you to feel good about it. So that's why, when I recommend certain products for you and good quality at home care, I'm doing it for your benefit.
Shelby:Well, the products that you guys use to like in the salon, they are incredible.
Liv:I've used it before in the past and like they honestly do wonders.
Shelby:And when a hairstylist like recommends like a product to you, like, yeah, they may make like a little bit of commission off of it, but they're working with these products every single day. They know that their salon quality. The reason why that they're using them in in the salon and that they're selling these products is because they're top of the line exactly.
Liv:You know like trust your stylist yeah, and we're very, we work very closely with that brand too, like my one of my bosses is a educator and she has been for them for the longest time and now I'm a care coach ambassador for them and we work so closely with people in that brand. So it's just like like we know, like they have good ethics, they are good quality ingredients, like there's a reason why we have them in our salon and, like you said, said we work with them every single day so we get to see how they perform, and that's why we encourage you know what we encourage when it comes to recommending them it's all about that at home care, and I'll be the first person to say, too, like I'll recommend other products too, not just care sauce is what we hold in the salon.
Liv:Sometimes if somebody's struggling with like hair loss, they'll be like, hop on amazon, go buy some rosemary oil. Like I'm not gonna just put myself in a box either. Like obviously I love that brand and I solely like, mainly use that one. But I'm open to other things as well. I'm not like a psycho, like you know one brand or anything yeah, yeah, one brand or die right.
Shelby:Well, and you're also too like recommending, like the products that you're using, like in real time, like on your own personal hair, on like your your hair page as well yeah, you know, like you're constantly giving people like hair tips and ways to like take care of your hair, just like outside of the salon.
Shelby:so not only do they get that like touch point with you, like in person, like recommending these products, but then go follow lives uh hair page at lived in dot beauty because she's always sharing like the different tips and things that she uses before she cut her hair. She was even doing like tutorials on how to do like a blowout and I would sit there and like rewind the video like multiple times.
Shelby:I still haven't mastered it but, like you know, like taking the time to like actually learn the tools to like take care of your hair, and not just say like, oh, like I don't have like the knowledge that a hairstyle has to take care of my hair, you know, like actually attempting to learn because that's going to contribute to your confidence and link your self-esteem like overall.
Liv:Yeah, and investing into good products. That's what's going to help your hair like flourish, like I think a lot of people just want a cheap, easy fix when it comes to their hair, and it takes time. It takes consistency, using good quality products and actually nurturing your hair and your scalp.
Shelby:Period. All right. Next question how do you prioritize self-care and mental well-being in your own life as a hairstylist, given the demands of the profession? Because I know it's a lot.
Liv:Yeah, it's very emotionally and physically exhausting At the end of the day. I don't think I realize how tired I am until I sit in my car and I'm like, oh my God, I can literally pass out right now. I'm so tired, but for the longest time, like when I first started, behind the chair nobody really warns you about that that it's going to be like very physically and mentally exhausting and demanding. And I wasn't prioritizing my self-care routine. I wasn't prioritizing, like my mental and physical health and it took me a while to actually realize like, okay, bitch, like get your ass in gear, like you need to figure this out so you can actually last in this industry and not just get burnt out. So I the biggest thing for me is prioritizing my morning routine and I have gotten down to the point where I've I just know that I like a slow morning, like I know there's those people that like love the fast-paced morning and they love a chaotic morning.
Liv:But that's just not me, because when I get to work I'm it's pure chaos. So I like to take the time for myself, give myself at least like an hour and a half to almost two hours to just get ready and like veg out in the morning. I have my, I make breakfast for myself and I just take my time getting ready and listening to podcasts while I'm getting ready or YouTube videos, and that just like puts my mind at ease and like gets me prepped for the day.
Shelby:Yeah, I feel like too, because like you work in a chaotic environment where everything's like fast paced, you need that balance of like a slow paced living where you're not like having that chaotic morning routine where you're getting up at five 30 in the morning and like hitting the gym and like all those things and if it works for you, like it works for you but it the journey is all about like finding the morning routine, finding the self care routine that works best for you and like your profession.
Shelby:Like for me, for example, I sit at a desk for like eight hours a day so getting up in the morning and like moving my body and, like you know, doing a couple things, like before I have to sit down on my butt for eight hours, you know, is something that works for me. But because Liv is on her feet all day, like as a hairstylist, and expending so much emotional energy like outside of like the physical energy you're expending, you're gonna get like really tired and burnt out if you're already like go, go go in the morning for a couple hours before you even enter that environment.
Liv:Yeah, exactly, and I have some like some of my co workers. They are like the opposite of me, like they love that chaotic morning, like just getting like active and working out and maybe doing some errands, and that's I mean that works for them, whatever like like you said, whatever works for you. But I just know for me I need some like time to just chill and veg before a chaotic day yeah, so and then.
Liv:So morning routine is huge for me. Um, I also really prioritize hot yoga. That's helped me a ton with my physical. Like y'all, I am fucking sore. Like I am sore. I literally sit in my bed in my bedroom with my feet up. Oh my, god, I remember you're talking about this yeah, to get the circulation flowing at the end of the day, because my legs are literally sitting on your feet all day too.
Shelby:Like the blood's like rushing to like your lower extremities, you gotta like pump it back the other way so I, if I didn't have yoga, I'd be very rough.
Liv:um, so hot yoga I like to do at least one to two times a week, and then I like hot because it just kind of like releases a lot of shit out of your body and toxins. And it helps me like, get looser, like, so I can stretch easier.
Shelby:Yeah.
Liv:Which is great, especially even if you have like a desk job, like that's great too. I should probably get on that. You would love it. I feel like we should start going together.
Shelby:Let's do it, it's like so good for your mental too. Like you get in like that meditative state and there's nothing better, honestly, wow, okay, I'm looking forward to it yes, um, and then chiropractor once a month have to, and I get a massage once a month as well.
Liv:Like I really prioritize my self-care. It's it's all about priorities, y'all. Like I know obviously that means spending a little bit more money on yourself, but I highly recommend it because it's going to make you last. Like it's going to help your body and your mental in the long run. Like why would you not spend money or a little bit extra on yourself? Like your relationship with yourself is the most important.
Shelby:Your physical is so important to maintain a healthy life yeah, and also like when you're pouring so much energy, like physically and emotionally, into your day as a hairstylist.
Shelby:I mean you're on your feet like you're running to like the back room, to like mix up colors or whatever you guys do back there you're coming back out like you're, you're multitasking constantly literally, and then like you're running the shampoo bowl and then like you're coming back out, like you're, you're painting constantly, literally, and then like you're running the shampoo bowl and then like you're going back and like eating your lunch while somebody's like thing is processing toner, whatever it's called, and you're like you're running all over the place.
Shelby:But then you're also like having emotional conversations with these people on top of it, where you're talking about their life, you're asking them questions. You have to be engaged, like mentally and emotionally with what you're doing, like also physically, that if you're pouring from an empty cup you're going to be so drained at the end of the day. But, like Liv said, taking the extra time like pour back into yourself, like physically and even like hot yoga, helps with like mental and like emotional, like meditating and spending time with yourself and making sure that you're taking care of yourself. And I think that honestly goes like not only for hairstylists but just in general. You can't pour from an empty cup if you have no energy to give. So look for things that are energy givers in your life. You know, like the same things don't work for everybody. Like you said, some people enjoy that chaotic morning routine and for them that's themselves like pouring into themselves, because it works for them.
Shelby:For you it's having like a slow morning routine listening to podcasts, like spending time, like doing your makeup, like dancing around like you know doing, like the whole girlhood thing before you go to work. But that helps pour energy into you to where you're able to give everything you have to give to like these people that are sitting down in your chair and giving them the best experience you can yes, exactly.
Liv:I don't know how hairstylists if they don't pour into themselves, I don't know how they survive like I would literally be so drained, and that's how I felt in the beginning when I was, like, my first six months behind the chair. I like literally you even know like you can attest this.
Liv:I was so physically exhausted I didn't want to do shit because and I would like take out all my pent up like just tiredness out on Alex, my boyfriend, and he's like, dude, what the hell is wrong with you? I'm like I'm sorry, I'm literally so fucking tired.
Shelby:I think also to like another thing, that like being from the outside and like being close to you and like watching that whole like transformative journey. I think you've gotten a lot better like with setting boundaries and like saying no, to like specific things, because you're somebody that has like so many friends, like you love to like go out to dinners and like go thrifting and like hanging out with people. But you also have recognized like when to say no and when to like advocate for yourself when you're tired. You know like we were going to record the podcast again on sunday and you're like no, I'm just tired, I'm like period queen like get your rest like you have like another busy week ahead of you, and I think boundaries is like also like really important as well yeah, just listening to your body like forever.
Liv:For a while I would just not listen to my body and I would just say yes to a million things and then I'd be more drained and more exhausted and it's just not worth it. At the end of the day, you, you deserve to be able to reset yourself and feel good going into the week and continue to feel good throughout the week. Take care of yourself. At the end of the day, your relationship with you and how you feel is the most important.
Shelby:Well, and even if you're not a hairstylist too, I think there's a lot to be taken from just that idea. In general, I think there are so many demands right now when it comes to this fast-paced lifestyle that we're living in. Everybody's just getting faster. People are moving faster, technology is drastically increasing and moving faster every single day TikTok, short-form content, all the things I always talk about.
Shelby:Your brain is not supposed to be moving that fast and if you don't take the time to calm yourself down, you know spend time like pouring energy like back into yourself. A lot of people think that mindlessly scrolling is like an energy giver and it's something that you like to do like in your free time, but it actually like sucks so much energy out of you because you're using so much mental energy to comprehend every single video that you're watching. You know using so much mental energy to comprehend every single video that you're watching. You know like really like actually having the discipline I think discipline is also like a huge part of like self-love and self-care to recognize the way that, like your phone may be making you feel, or like spending time with, like all of these people may be making you feel, that you don't have enough time, like left over, to pour that energy, like back into yourself.
Liv:Another thing that I recommend for, if you are a hairstylist, to have a day off, like having a day off. Wednesday is my day off. I work a little longer of hours, but that day is like for myself, it's for me to get certain things done and helps me reset for sure. So having a day off and then also just being in nature, too, like getting outside, having fresh air, going on a walk, like that is another thing. My yoga instructor I think I messaged this to you when she was like my favorite ways to heal are with ways that are already like here, like nature, the sun, water, like animals, wildlife, like you can literally heal through nature with the resources that you already have in front of you well, we're also like beings that come from nature you know, like our ancestors that came before us.
Shelby:they didn't have TikTok, they didn't have like these sky rise apartments, they didn't have like the luxuries of all of the things that we have to make ourselves comfortable. So it's natural for human beings to spend time in nature. You know, I listened to like a mel robbins podcast, like over a year ago, and I still remember this fact that she shared, I think, if you listen to like even three seconds of bird noises, I remember this a day you told me like it does something to like the human brain, because we're so used to like our ancestors, are like used to like being in nature, so that is just like a natural calming effect.
Liv:You know, just go out of your way to like take care of yourself and reset, be in nature, be like grounded, meditate, like do things for yourself that are going to make you feel good, instead of just sitting and scrolling on social media or just draining your energy with shit that doesn't even matter.
Shelby:Yeah, and I think that also can like transition to and just like your environment as a whole, like putting yourself in nature as an environment to help yourself heal.
Shelby:But I also think like as a hairstylist specifically, I remember like when you were close to the end of cosmetology school and you were debating between the hairstyle or the salon that you're in right now and a different salon and the way that you talked about both of them, like you could just immediately tell, like how you lit up talking about the one that you're currently with and I think you've talked about this so much but, like your environment in the salon specifically is so important and when you walk into the salon that you're a part of now, like you can just feel the energy. Everybody's excited to be there, everybody is so positive and they're just uplifting other people that I mean this can go for like any job, but your environment in your life can make a huge impact on, like, your mental health and like how you take care of yourself overall.
Liv:No, exactly.
Liv:When I interviewed at my current salon, like I just immediately knew, like the vibes in there, like you need to be in an environment where people want to see you succeed, people support you and people are rooting for you and unfortunately, that's a really hard thing to find in the beauty industry.
Liv:You would think that it shouldn't be a hard thing to find, but it is because there's a lot of women in the industry, which means that they feel like they have to compete with one another and that's just not the environment that I wanted to be in. And so once I got to the salon, I was like, oh my gosh, these people actually want to see me win. And now, being there for almost two years, I was like, oh my gosh, like these people actually want to see me win. And now, being there for almost two years, like I can 100% tell you like if I didn't have this environment that I have right now, I don't know if I would still be in the industry Because of all the emotional and physical energy we're giving on a day-to-day basis to our clients. I can't imagine having a shitty environment like on top of that.
Shelby:You know what I mean mean. Like that would like defeat. The fuck out of me oh my god, I would not imagine like not having like Kimmy and Brittany like around you. No them and all my co-workers like we have such.
Liv:We have so much fun together and we're always bouncing ideas off of one another. We're always like talking and like supporting one another, talking about things that we can do to like whatever, and having that team aspect and team environment is so huge and a team that's actually like healthy and like supportive, like it's.
Liv:It's a really cool thing. So I encourage people who are fresh out of cause school, like find an environment that is healthy and find people that want to see you succeed and are investing into you. That's another thing. Kimmy and Brittany invest into their team when it comes to continued education, like just things to make us more successful, and you need to find a place that does the same for you. And if it's not giving you that, don't be afraid to leave, even if you're early in the industry.
Shelby:Like don't stay comfortable, don't feel like you need to stay in a toxic space, because it's not worth it at the end of the day absolutely and I feel like too, like being a hairstylist working at a salon provides you with all those experiences like, especially if you're like you're in a positive space, but also like if you're somewhere that's a negative environment.
Shelby:Being a hairstylist like, it may take a little bit more time and energy and effort to leave that space and, like start something of your own but like you really do have the flexibility to market yourself and to share, like your skills and everything, like on social media, and grow your own clientele with all without the help of a salon. Yes, it can be very, very beneficial and I've seen you grow a ton. But also like there's a couple girls that I come across on tiktok simply because I think the algorithm knows that my best friends are hairstylists that have like their own, like space you know their own booth, their own thing?
Liv:Yeah, and it's so, it's so cool.
Shelby:I just love.
Liv:there's so many different routes you can go being a hairdresser and you just got to do what's best for you. Any resources or techniques that you recommend for fellow hairst clients and I literally use them on my clients, so I learn so much.
Liv:And then I also invest into classes too. I mean, I know going to in-person classes can be kind of a bigger investment, but once you go and do that, it's just like a whole different type of experience, like being able to connect with other hairstylists and network and just answer or ask questions that you have and you just get so much more knowledge. When it's like an in-person interaction, I will always be an in-person gal. I love that. But obviously there's stuff on there's free education too. Youtube. There's videos on there, that free education to YouTube. There's videos on there that you can learn from, like I said, instagram tick tock.
Liv:There's so many free resources out there now too, but just education. Education is what's going to keep you on trend and what's going to keep you confident behind the chair. If I didn't have this continued education, I would not feel confident. Like someone sat in my chair and asked for a certain thing that they wanted and I, like wasn't investing into that, I don't know what the hell. I would just be like having a nervous breakdown like what do I do?
Shelby:I also love like how big you are on like networking and, yeah, like accepting that you are a beginner and not letting it have anything to like, like attaching that like to your identity and recognizing that like it's okay to like be a beginner. You're not supposed to like have it all figured out.
Shelby:There are going to be like new hair trends that continue to come out like the first time I ever got my hair done was by this lady that had no idea what a balayage was and she absolutely botched my hair you know what I mean, but like going to like continued education, like networking with people and leaning on other people for support yeah, especially if you are like starting out new in this industry or any other industry, honestly, like you can transfer, like all these topics of what we're saying about any other industry yeah just leaning on other people for support and recognizing that like it's okay to like be a beginner but just be a sponge and like soak in everything in your environment.
Shelby:Because the reason why these people are now these educators are because they started where you are and they just kept going.
Liv:Yeah, exactly they all. You all have to start somewhere, and I've fully leaned into like asking questions, not being afraid to like reach out to some of the hairstylists that I look up to and just pick their brain about certain things like, and also my mentor, kimmy like she's the one that really trained me behind the chair and if I didn't have her, like, I don't know what I would have done in the beginning of my career. So, also advice is just to find a mentor that you can lean on and learn from, especially like, if you can do have an in-person mentor who can train you or someone you can assist like. I highly, highly recommend that when you're first starting out, because that is a game changer.
Shelby:I don't know why, like whenever we get to this part, like the same thing happened when we were recording, like four days ago, but like talking about like your journey, transitioning from like being a beginner to like being an educator, like I see Liv doing what the people are doing now that she's going, and like learning from and it makes me like so emotional.
Liv:I don't want to look at you.
Shelby:I cried so hard last time Like I'm honestly still even tearing up now because, as you're like best friend and like watching your journey, like I'm not a hairstylist myself, so I'm not like immersed in the culture and like in the industry, but sitting on the sidelines and watching how much you've grown just in like the three short years, I have like no doubt in my mind that in like three to five years, you are going to be the person that's like turning around and using all these skills that you are soaking up now in the sponge stage that you are in To like to, like you know like help other people.
Shelby:You are somebody that like cares so much about like helping other people and just being a positive force and that can like transition for anybody else. Like that's new in the industry If you just keep going and putting one foot in front of the other and like don't get discouraged, and having that positive mindset like that live has had. Like you are going to continue to like take the right steps for you in your career.
Liv:Yes, I mean it's all learning from my mistakes too, like that's why I do the education and that's why I eventually want to do it in the future, because you just kind of have to like ride the wave and learn from the experiences that you have. Like as a hairstylist, you're really only going to learn from making mistakes. Unfortunately, as a perfectionist over here, in this industry it was really hard.
Liv:it still is hard when I have to learn from certain mistakes that I make, but you just kind of have to to lean into it and own it.
Liv:And I feel like, when it comes to education, in the future, I'd love to like be an educator for people who are newly entering the industry, because there's a lot of things that people don't warn you about and teach you about, and I feel like we need more of that in this industry, especially with social media, like everyone is comparing themselves to all these people on social media and like you can't be comparing someone, you can't be comparing yourself to someone who has literally been behind the chair or who has been educating for 10 plus years and you're literally just starting behind the chair, like they had to go through all the shit that you're about to go through to get with it where they are right now. And I even went to a class in Ohio a couple weeks ago and one of the educators was talking about this, about his journey, and I was like that's so cool to hear your journey, because so many people are comparing themselves to your chapter 50. And they're literally at chapter two.
Shelby:You know what I?
Liv:mean. So it's just like especially this generation, like my generation and people younger than me, they want to see that instant gratification and there's not going to be that. No there's not going to be that instant gratification in this industry. You have to work your ass off and work hard and like, be persistent and dedicated to see the results that you want to see. It's not going to just magically come to you.
Shelby:No, and I think honestly like technology has ruined that a lot for, like the upcoming generation, but like, not only like in these education classes are you learning like skills and like how to keep up with, like the trends and and, like you know, doing hair like the most beautiful that you could ever do. It yeah but on top of it, like you said, going to these educators like they're sharing their journey. They're sharing like the behind the scenes.
Shelby:I see you like mixing, like hair and like hair techniques and like tips and skills and all the things with also like the mindset of being a hairstylist, because I although, like everybody still has things to learn and like you can't be perfect, and like the mindset that you have as somebody that's on the outside looking at you, I'm like, compared to a lot of other hairstylists that I've seen be in the industry, you are so positive with the way that you approach being a hairstylist and taking care of yourself that so many people have so much to learn from you, even after like a couple short years you know thanks honey.
Shelby:And the last question too, like I feel like we have already kind of been talking about this, but the advice that you'd give to someone considering a career as a hairstylist, or like just starting out, I think we can recap like what we talked about, just like in the episode.
Liv:Yeah, I mean number one invest in yourself. Invest into your self-care as well, not just your education. Boundaries, boundaries. Learn from your mistakes and don't be so hard on yourself. That was a huge issue for me, but I mean that's what's going to make you a successful hairstylist is learning from your experiences and your mistakes and just becoming a better hairstylist from that.
Shelby:And also being okay with like making mistakes. I mean that was a trend of like what we were just talking about too, but like you're not going to be perfect, and I like being hard on yourself, like it does have some advantages because if, like you're never hard on yourself, like you're not going to learn and you're not going to grow by, not putting pressure on yourself, but also reminding yourself like you're a beginner and it's okay to make mistakes, but learning from those mistakes and not getting frustrated by them, but rather looking at them with the lens of like what can I learn?
Liv:I also do want to say we haven't I haven't talked about this yet or mentioned it really. I mean we talked about social media, but yeah, also just kind of embracing social media and like being able to show your work on there and like, because I've gotten so many clients from social media, you guys just from posting on my Instagram and like sharing hair tips and like tutorials, like in this day and age, like your profile is your portfolio in my opinion. I mean, they even have us do that in school now, in cos school like you literally have to make your own beauty page.
Liv:So just kind of like embracing social media and growing on there, but don't compare yourself to other people in the industry. Just, I follow a ton of people in this industry and I'm supporting them. I'm like commenting on their stuff and just like engaging with other hairstylists and that's like the best thing that you can do.
Shelby:I love that At the end of the day, like it's a journey, just like anything else in life is, and like don't expect yourself to like have it all figured out. You know. Yeah, Like I'm sure you had no idea that you'd be where you're at right now.
Shelby:three years ago, no, you know, like you, it's the fear of the unknown, but also, like hindsight, is 20, 20 being where you are now? Like, looking back, it's like, okay, these are all the things that I did to get me to this point and just trust the journey and trust the process that you're on and, like, as long as you're loving what you're doing, every single day like, just keep putting one foot in front of the other and you're going to get to where you want to go.
Liv:Yes, and it's not going to be perfect. Every day you might feel defeated and, like I, literally after the first six months behind the chair, like during that time, I was like did I, am I doing the right? Thing, Like should I really be a hairstylist? Like this shit is hard, but just kind of like getting past that point and like pushing yourself to grow and learn from everything in a positive way. I mean, you just gotta, you just gotta stick it out in any industry.
Liv:I feel like like when you're first starting out and you're learning the ropes and trying to figure out what it is that you're doing. Like it's going to take time and you're going to feel defeated here and there, but like it's worth it at the end of the day if it's something that you truly love and that you want to do for the rest of your life period.
Shelby:Wow, I think that was. I think that was good too I mean, we can end it with a fun little question yes, oh yeah, we did the other one that I've answered.
Liv:You've only answered this like five million times now that we've redone this episode.
Shelby:But, um, the question was if you were stranded on a deserted island, obviously, given having, like, the basic necessities food, water, shelter, all the things what three things would you want to have with you on that deserted island?
Shelby:well, I said poppy absolutely, I would totally bring poppy prebiotic drink, hell yeah she's trying to get me on like this sleepy girl drink and I think I'm actually gonna go buy the stuff for it. So good, sleepy girl mocktail it's the poppy, the tart cherry juice and the magnesium powder, right, yes, oh, and I get the first form magnesium powder.
Liv:It's like peach flavored you could also just get one at target, but I love that one.
Shelby:It's like cleaner ingredients I love that um, so it makes it taste really good.
Liv:So, poppy, I know I said rejuvenate oil by money, because that shit is just like og, I use on my face and my hair and it's I put oil on my hair today to lock in the moisture when it was wet.
Shelby:Are you proud of me?
Liv:I know I said that I'm like your oil. If you're not putting oil on your skin or your hair, like you're not locking in that moisture, yep like, think of your moisturizer as your primer and then the oil is your setting spray. She's learning folks, yeah one at a time and then, well, I can't remember the third thing I said poppy rejuvenate oil. Was it another product? What else do I need? Oh, my tongue scraper, oh my god, that's right.
Shelby:The tongue scraper, you can't go wrong no, love, love, tongue, tongue scraping, doing it every morning right away in the beginning.
Liv:Yes, a detox. A good way to detox your body is to tongue scrape before you do anything in the morning because you're like sleeping with all that shit and like build up in your mouth. So you should take it off before you like drink your coffee or swallow it with your water speaking of that, I want to start mouth taping. I've seen this it kind of freaks me out.
Shelby:It freaks me out because I feel like I won't be able to like breathe through my nose yeah, I think that's only because I've gotten so used to breathing through my mouth, like when I sleep, that I wake up and my throat is just so dry. People said that it actually, like, helps sculpt your face too, I bet yeah, I bet it does I mean.
Shelby:And there's some like pieces of mouth tape that do have like a little slit in them. So I think I might start with those, yeah, and then like work my way up to the ones that don't have the slit, because I think, like I saw this girl make a TikTok about it and she was, like, don't do the ones with like the slit in them because, like they don't do like as much, and I'm like, well, I want to baby steps.
Liv:I want to work my way into it.
Shelby:But also doing that could help with like oral health.
Liv:Yeah, also the oil pulling shit. Have you tried doing?
Shelby:that, yeah, yeah, that shit. I haven't been as consistent with it.
Liv:I was for a while and then I fucking yeah, forgot, tastes like an interesting substance. Yeah, because you have to like take like 10 minutes to like do it oh yeah.
Shelby:And then I try to like keep it at the front of my mouth because, like if it, slides the back.
Liv:One time I swallowed it Stop, and I was so unwell.
Shelby:Oh, my God.
Liv:I was like I'm just going to take it and then I'll be in the shower and then I'll swish it while I'm in the shower. Quick, and I don't know what it was, but I got water on my face.
Shelby:And then I was like I don't know I just ended up swelling and I was probably forgot like what you were doing. I was coughing like a mofo, like do not swallow that shit. Oh, it hurt it like hurt my chest. Speaking of like oral health too, like I've heard that that has like a huge effect on like your mental health because the bacteria like in your mouth is like, so close to your brain and your digestive system too, oh yeah, it could be a whole another episode.
Shelby:Okay. So uh, your mouth, or your tongue, scraper slash oil pulling yeah, poppy and hair oil, yeah, slight I love it.
Liv:Also, stay tuned because we're gonna have my boss on here, one of my bosses kimmy, so I'm excited to hear her perspective on the industry because she's been in it for, I think, 13 or 14 years now. Yeah, she's been a manager, she's been behind the chair, she's been a business owner, like salon owner, so it'll be cool to hear her perspective yeah, I'm so excited to hear everything that she has to say.
Shelby:Yeah, I love it. We're also going to, hopefully after these, uh recording struggles uh we're gonna figure that out. I don't know what the heck is going on with, like my computer, but we're gonna do a video podcast and then we're also having other guests on besides kimmy as well. Yeah in the near future, so stay tuned for that. We're really excited about it. Um anything else you want to say before I go?
Liv:I don't think so embrace the journey, baby.
Shelby:You got it.
Liv:Embrace it one day at a time. My dms are always open if you have questions I love talking about this stuff. So if you need support, if you need advice, I'm always here I love it.
Shelby:Her uh beauty. Instagram is at lived in dot beauty, which I love how it just flows with like your name. That's the most genius like handle I've ever heard.
Liv:It's so funny because my chiropractor nate he's so fun, he's cute. He was like did you like come up with that? Like did you come up with like the lived in hair?
Shelby:look, because my name's in it and I'm like no, that was a trend before me. It just happened to work out that my name is Liv. That's all. That's so funny.
Liv:He goes, oh, he goes. Wow, I really thought that you like literally came up with that whole thing. I love his enthusiasm. I know he is funny, anyways, I love his enthusiasm.
Shelby:I know he is funny. Anyways, personal Instagrams Liv is at Liv Worth, mine is at theshawbylinnae and then our podcast Instagram is at evolveorrepeatthepodcast. Would love it if you guys have not already given us a five-star rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, wherever you listen, and a review, if you feel inclined, helps us grow the show. We're also doing our best to post like more like little snippets and like reels of like different things that you know, like you may resonate with. So sharing anything like with your audience or people that you think could benefit from things that we say definitely also helps us to really grow the show.
Shelby:But, yeah, excited that we finally, like, got this episode recorded and, like I can see it with my own eyes, that it's on my computer and recorded. But that's just the beauty of technology and having a podcast and starting something new.
Liv:Yeah. Just like we were talking about trusting the process one day and one foot in front of the other. Patience, patience is everything. Baby, we got it. Perseverance Love you all. See you guys next week. Bye, thank you.
