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Evolve or Repeat
Join Liv and Shelby, two midwest twenty-somethings, as they take you along their own personal growth journeys and what it means to truly pour into yourself as a young adult.
Evolve or Repeat
16. 24 Things We've Learned in 2024
Liv and Shelby reflect on their personal growth journey through 2024, sharing 24 valuable lessons about intuition, self-care, the importance of forgiveness, and so much more. The episode encourages listeners to embrace their unique paths while prioritizing mental and emotional well-being.
- Highlighting the significance of trusting your gut
- Protecting time and energy as valuable resources
- The importance of letting go of control
- Understanding the power of forgiveness in relationships
- Embracing uncertainty and the present momen
- Valuing personal time outside of work
- Recognizing that health is everything
- Building healthy communication practices within relationships
- Accepting that your definition of success may evolve over time
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Hey, we're Liv and Shelby, and we're two Midwest 20-somethings fascinated with all things personal growth, healing and evolving into the best version of yourself possible. Over the last four years, we've gone from lost, sad and broke to secure, confident, abundant and full of purpose. Now we're inviting you along our journey too. We teach you everything we've learned thus far and the secrets to building a life you truly love. Think it's all rainbows and butterflies. Think again. Friendships, social media relationships and navigating a self-growth journey are all topics we dive into. Think of this as a 2 am conversation with your best friend, mixed with the hard truths and obstacles needed to level up. So grab your favorite emotional support drink, make sure you're comfy and get ready to challenge your limiting beliefs that you didn't even know you had. This is Evolve or Repeat. Can you hear anything? Oh my God. Hey guys, welcome back. Welcome back to Evolve and Repeat. I just started talking super loud and it like made my voice softer. Hello, hello, wait, it like it. If you talk loud, it like makes it sound normal. Yes, thank god, because when we would like laugh, I'd be like yeah. So sorry to the headphone users, I feel like we're legit now. Holy shit, are we gonna start right now. We're back. We're back. Are we doing this right now? I cannot believe that was that easy. No, I can't either. The fact that we.
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Speaker 1:I know I feel like such like a well, I don't want to say like fraud, but like leaving and coming back to the podcast, like so many times, but I feel like we've truly ironed out a lot of the kinks that we were struggling with. Like the audio stuff like this is going great. I'm so happy this was so easy to set up because now we can stay consistent. But also I think we're gonna have somebody help us out with our socials, because that was like really really hard for us to like keep up with, especially because we both have very strenuous nine to five jobs that when you're done with the job, the last thing you want to do is more work. No, literally, I'm like fucking dead to the world so tired. Should we make sure this sounds okay? Yeah, okay, we're going to pause, okay, and then we're going to come back. Come back and make sure the sound is good. Yeah, okay, um, update, okay, so we're back. Audio works, life is great. Yeah, we ordered sushi. How long ago now, like it said, it was gonna be here in a half an hour, about a half an hour ago. Yeah, it's not getting here for another probably hour. Great, yeah, so I guess we'll just yap our shit until our social gets here. I ordered, I did the express, so I paid extra for nothing. So that's annoying.
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Speaker 1:And I have gone through a lot of shit, to say the least. So, last year, I mean I feel like, as everybody has, the world right now is crazy. No, I feel like I obviously I have clients all day and all the all of their stories. I'm like, wow, everybody just seems to be going through it. We must have gone through like an alternate universe, like time warp in 2020. Because ever since COVID and all of that BS, I feel like we've just never been the same as a country, and it's so sad and so scary, yeah, and I hate how politically divided the country is. And we're just here to bring peace, love and joy and happiness and everything else, to control what we can control, period. You know, that's all we're trying to do here, which actually leads us to what we wanted to talk about for our podcast today. Since we've been mia for a good chunk of time and obviously going through it on our own ends.
Speaker 1:We each came up with 12 things that we learned in 2024, or like things that we may not have like necessarily learned, but that we knew already and just became more prominent as like a life lesson in our last year, and we think that they're really great reminders for everybody, especially like ourselves, as we continue to grow, cause that's what this podcast is all about. Yes, exactly, shall we get, we get started. Yeah, do you want to kick it off with your first one? First things first. For me, I feel like this year was a big year of trusting my gut and my intuition. Our body always tells us like I'm sorry, but like every time I go and make a decision and I know what's wrong, like my body like tries to tell me and then I just end up regretting it. Because your gut always knows and it always tells you. And I feel like this year I definitely like integrated, that I'm like you know what. I'm gonna listen to my gut, I'm gonna follow my intuition because it's gonna lead me into the right direction, and it definitely has.
Speaker 1:I opened my own suite as a hairstylist. Oh, also, this new little thing has like programmable buttons where you can like do cheers and stuff. Oh, my god, really, I need to figure out how to do that so that way I can press the button it's giving. I carly, I know, it's like literally an I carly remote and a podcaster recorder and one, but oh my god, anyways, insert clapping noise here. I love it. No, but I didn't. I didn't plan on this happening this soon, of like opening my own suite and starting my own business, but everything just like kind of aligned and when the opportunity like presented itself, I, my intuition, was literally telling me to do it and I did it and I'm so glad I did. There was a lot of, you know, trials and tribulations getting to that point, but I'm so glad that I listened to my gut and I followed my heart with it, because I literally could not be happier having my own space and, you know, being able to do what I love every day and having flexibility.
Speaker 1:And you know, obviously, being in your being, your own will tell you if it's a good idea or not. Like if you're getting more red flags or bad vibes and good vibes, something is probably not for you and you may like if it feels like you're forcing it or it doesn't feel like natural in your next step in life, like don't for something that's not supposed to be. But if all the pieces like align correctly, like you don't, I don't know. Like you don't face like so much adversity and everything just like feels right. Like for you, I felt like it felt just like so right and the timing was so perfect because you were ready to kind of like branch out on your own and kind of do your own thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it just everything like flowed seamlessly, like I didn't really run into, like you said, any super hard moments where I'm like oh my God, I don't know if I should do this Like. No, everything literally aligned perfectly, and that's what I told myself too. Like when I found this beautiful space that I'm in right now, I was like okay, I'm not going to force it. If it happens, it happens, and if it's not meant to be, it won't be meant to be and it happened. Does that make sense? No, it makes sense. Okay, I like questioned myself. I was like wait, did I say that? Right?
Speaker 1:Hello, and two like if you make a decision to like make a change in your life and it's like it will affect like other people, like you're also gonna have to like navigate like negative parts about like putting yourself first and like making decisions like oh my god, I know you had such a good relationship with all of your old, old co-workers and that was like, yeah, really hard for you, but I'm so glad they were so supportive of you because it was like coming from a place of love and like admiration for the way that they set you up to succeed and be the best boss and hairstylist that you can be, and you can always be grateful to those people that helped you start out, while, simultaneously, two things could be true you could be ready for your next step. I felt like a little birdie leaving the nest. They really prepared me for doing this and having the confidence to do it, but it was so hard for me to do that and tell them that I'm going to do this because I am I'm a recovering people pleaser, so I didn't want to like let anybody down or like hurt anybody, feel anybody's feelings or have anybody take it personally. But no, they were great and they're supportive and we still have a great relationship, so I love that. They're definitely making a difference in the industry. I love that. Yeah, amazing, okay. So number one trust your gut. Number two well, technically number one for me on my list, but I put your time and energy are limited resources, so protect them.
Speaker 1:I feel like for a while and like even us coming out of like doing direct sales we were just always in fight or flight that this has been kind of like an ongoing thing. But making sure that you protect like your time and your energy and all the things, because we only have so much time in a day, we only have so much energy to give in a day. I mean, especially as women, like our energy levels are fluctuating. I'm, you know, like way more energetic in my follicular phase than I am in my luteal phase. So being aware even of like what stage of your cycle you're at, and allowing your body to rest and not say yes or like overcommit to too many things where you're compromising, like the time that you need to give to yourself, or like the energy that you need to give back to yourself, because if you're always giving that to other people, then you have like nothing left over for yourself. No, exactly, and with you know we're adults now, we have big girl jobs, have a lot going on. So actually like prioritizing time for ourselves and like I don't know, it's like huge, because we're going to lose our shit if we don't.
Speaker 1:Well, and that goes hand in hand, I feel like with, like, setting boundaries, like, in order to protect your time and energy. You need to set boundaries with yourself, with, like, maybe, your relationship with your work. Like, I work from home, so my office is literally my living room. My office used to be in my bedroom and that was terrible for my mental health, so I at least like separated the two spaces, but I still work and live in the same space. So, you know, protecting my time and my energy by telling myself when it's time to shut the laptop, when it's time to, like you know, decompress and take time for myself. You know, take a bath, read a book, do whatever. Because if you don't set those boundaries and you're not protecting your time and energy, like, you can drain yourself. You could be, you know, like become burnt out. So you're actually doing yourself a service in the long run by making sure that you're protecting your time and your energy, because they are limited resources.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like I was getting to that stage where I was like burning myself out and saying it's too many things and working too much. Like I feel like the second half of 2024 and my body was telling me girl, and I was not listening to her. I was not listening to her and, yeah, I just feel like it. Yeah, when you're not taking the time for yourself and doing all of that, your body's going to shut down and tell you in different ways. Like that, you need to chill. Yeah, just be mindful about how you spend your time and your energy, because if you're not paying attention to that kind of stuff, it'll get away from you. So number two was your time and energy are limited resources, so protect them, love.
Speaker 1:Number three I love it you can't control everything, which is so obvious, but so true and such a great reminder at the same time. Well, and I feel like, with the way the world is right now, girl, and everything that's happening, we'll never know. We will never know what's happening. It actually drives me crazy. I'm such a bitch that just wants to know. I'll drink my glasses of wine and I'll start going off about conspiracies, literally. No, I think this was a huge one for me this year not being able to control certain circumstances, the things that people do, the way that they react. That was a huge one for me, but honestly, and I'm such a control freak at the end of the day, like especially just in my work environment too. So it's hard for me when I can't control the way that people are feeling. I can't control certain things that happen and experiences that happen, but at the end of the day, you have to let that shit go, and I know that can be. It's easier said than done, but you really have to realize, okay, you can't control that, so there's really nothing you can do. But you can control the way that you react. Yeah, you can control the way that you know you perceive a certain situation and move on from it. So that was my biggest like learning lesson.
Speaker 1:I feel like like I can only control my own emotions. I can't control somebody else's and the way that they react. There's actually such a small list of things in this world that you can actually control and all of them like boil down to things that are stemming from you. Like I can't control my boyfriend, I can't control my parents, I can't control my friends, I can't control the way that the world is like. I can't control people's political views. I can't, you know, control the way that people show up online. I can't control that people leave negative comments. Like all of these things will continue to happen, unfortunately, but when you set yourself free from, like the expectation that, like you can control these things and just allow yourself to be and focus on the things that you can control. I think it sets you free from so many things exactly. This is actually like huge for me.
Speaker 1:Like earlier this year, I was furloughed for my job. That was actually when he tried to come back. That seems like forever. Yeah, it was February 1st, that is today. Last year was my first day that I didn't have a job, because my last day was Is insane the 31st of January. The timing of this is wild, insane. We didn't even plan this, dude. No, oh, my God, like thinking about where I was a year ago to today, I think I I'm very proud of how I handled that situation. I'm proud of you too, because our sushi orders on the way. Sorry, just yeah, let's go. Okay, we may at some point need to pause halfway through because we need to, we need to munch on this sushi, but but no, the furlough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I got, I got that email and it was so unexpected and obviously like I didn't respond and you know well, obviously I did eventually, jesus, but like I didn't respond for a second and I kind of like composed myself. Obviously, I had a good cry, took a deep breath and then I was like, well, I'm not going to sit there and beg them to like have me. You know, like I can't control the fact that this is happening and obviously, like there's so much that goes into making business decisions, especially working for a marketing agency Like, just sometimes there's not a lot of work to be done and sometimes there's more people on the payroll and like that's just how the business world works, so I can't sit here and expect anything different. I was just so, like understanding of the whole situation, in the hopes that like, oh, they didn't fire me. They didn't say like oh, we don't want you here.
Speaker 1:It was just simply a matter of the fact that, like there wasn't enough work and they're like we'll bring you back when we have it. And I trusted them, I trusted myself, I trusted where I was at. I know that they the company cares so much for me, like I'm so blessed to have the nine to five job that I do and the people that I work with and how much that I love and care about what I do, that I was okay with, like you know, sitting on the sidelines for a month or two, I think it was honestly only ended up being like six weeks, because I did like a travel opportunity with them. Yeah, it wasn't long, no. And then halfway through with the second month, they were like okay, yeah, we're ready to bring you back, and like things went off without a hitch again, like I love my job, like we've hired new people, like our company's doing better than ever before, and it not even like we were struggling before. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like there was just a mutual understanding from both people's sides that I'm going to control what I can control, which is my reaction to this. I sent a super nice message to like both of my managers and everybody that was above me, and I was like, hey, like you know, sending you guys good vibes. I can't imagine like how you know crappy of a situation this must be for you to. You know, have these conversations with other people. But yeah, and at the end of the day, like I just controlled what I could control, I talked to my parents like they were great in supporting me and by managing my emotions, I was able to just be okay with it.
Speaker 1:I think you needed that break, though, because you were literally getting so burnt out. Like you said, you were a shell of a human. Yeah, you were like not yourself why I learned that it was important to protect your time and energy. Exactly, they all tie into each other. They literally all go hand in hand. Well, and that's so funny, because my second one on my list, well, number three, was control what you can control. But number four, or number two on my list is learn how to relax.
Speaker 1:Okay, but like this is both of us, I feel like, because of the way that we were brought into direct sales, we felt like we could never fucking chill I'm sorry, excuse my language, your eyes aren't even all the way open and you're thinking about what your stories are for the day, literally like, oh my god, what am I gonna post? Oh, my god, I need to find another business partner. Like it was literally insane. We, luckily, have worked through our trauma with that. Yeah, um, just not natural to be thinking like that and even, too, like with work and I'm sure, like with you and just anybody like in their job, like you deal with a lot of stress. You want to do a good job, all these things, but you don't realize that if you don't efficiently like try to practice how to or efficiently effectively manage your emotions on a daily basis and like learn that practice of actually calming yourself down and like taking yourself through the motions, all the the things your body's going to be in like a heightened state of fight or flight, like 24 7.
Speaker 1:If your body is like that stressed out on a daily level or on a daily basis, that's really going to affect a lot of physical things in your body too. Like it's tied to to health. I mean think of like high stress leads to so many issues and diseases like insane I'm not a doctor, go look it up, I know it's a fact. No, literally, especially in women. I feel like it's probably even worse because with I don't know all of our hormones and I feel like it's, it can lead to like thyroid issues too a huge thing, like this year. I feel like the cortisol levels like those have been like a huge thing. So like figuring out how to lower your cortisol levels, which lead like kind of goes hand in hand with relaxation. It also leads to like literally nello super calm. Some people hate it, but I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1:Ashwagandha, magnesium the ashwagandha has to be the ksm 66 or otherwise. It's not the good kind. Again, not a doctor, no idea. Um, what else is in there? I think vitamin c. Yeah, there's four good nutrients. Magnesium is like one of the best supplements you can take on a day-to-day basis, and ashwagandha is obviously going to calm your nervous system.
Speaker 1:Cortisol also can lead to like inflammation in the body, and like just inflammation in your body in general is like terrible, because I mean you think about inflammation in your head causes headaches. So, yeah, maybe I am a doctor, maybe we are doctors. Just learn how to relax. Do you do your best to relax, to chill, to chill out? Take a chill pill? I feel like the best way for me to relax is doing hot yoga or just doing yoga. I feel like that's literally the only way my brain will like shut off. I actually started doing like yoga stretches or like, yeah, just doing morning stretches for like 10 to 15 minutes before I start working. It's a game changer. It helps so much. Yeah, like you, you just feel like more connected with your body, like just slowly stretching it and all the things like, and then you can set it into a into oh my God, and then you can set an intention for the day as well or for, yeah, the week, whatever, amazing. Okay, next one, what one are we at?
Speaker 1:This is number five forgiveness frees you, which also kind of goes hand in hand with. You can't control everything, but I feel like I not even in 2024, in the past five years, I would say being able to mentally forgive somebody for the things that they did to me or did to my family, or just there was like a certain circumstance. It literally makes you free. It takes a weight off of your shoulders and if you are somebody that has struggled with you know, maybe a friend, a friendship, a relationship and you're struggling to forgive them and you're holding a grudge over them, that's not going to do literally anything for you. Holding a grudge over them, that's not going to do literally anything for you. Holding a grudge literally just causes more stress in your body, emotionally, physically. Being able to let that go and just forgive the person or whatever that had happened, it's going to set you free. It's going to make you feel so much better, so much lighter on your feet and you can move on with your life and not have to worry and stress over it, and it's not going to be in the back of your head constantly.
Speaker 1:It's a lot easier to forgive people when you're able to remind yourself that, like other people are going through their own journeys and like you can't always see what's going on behind the scenes for them. So you know, like, obviously, like you may feel hurt by other people's decisions or actions or behaviors, but if you put yourself in their shoes and then you at least try to understand or, you know, remind yourself that nobody's perfect, you're not perfect, so you're not always going to treat other people the best way that you can treat other people and just coming from a place of like understanding and empathy, like you don't have to forget that the things happen, but like you can also move forward more peacefully, less stress in life, if you just allow yourself to like fully forgive and remind yourself that, like other people are learning and growing too. It takes a lot of empathy to have that perspective. If you have like a lot of anger built up in your body, you're not going to be able to like fully forgive somebody unless you sit down and you kind of look at the situation objectively and I don't know just recognize that they're a human too and that everybody makes mistakes. It's harder said than done, but it frees you a lot. You can forgive and let go and you don't need to align with that person or that like situation. That happened and that's fine. Some people are meant to be in your life for a chapter and some people are meant to be in your life forever.
Speaker 1:Up until, like I would say, like one or two years ago, I held like the biggest grudge, like I held a grudge for years. I just had so much pent up anger and aggression about the situation. But as I continue to evolve my practices of how I manage my emotions and how I see the world and how I factor in other perspectives, I realized like maybe she was also going through something. Maybe she was going through her own insecurities, her depression, like I don't know what it is because I can't get inside of her mind and her, her body and her emotions. But I feel like when I finally like let myself just like forgive her and like understand that, like I don't know, like she was probably going through something too, I ended up like running into her oh my god, like two weeks ago, which was so crazy and like we actually had like a really nice conversation.
Speaker 1:She, like it was her first time, like, meeting my boyfriend, and she was like you know, like I really hurt your girlfriend, like back in the day, and I was like, wow, like it takes it takes a lot for somebody to like own up to their mistakes to somebody else's face. You know somebody that matters so much to me for the first time that she met him and I was like, wow, okay, like, okay, like maybe she has grown as a person, like I've grown as a person and also recognizing that, like the people that you were in high school or the people that you were in college, you're just not the same person. So sometimes, like you need to, you know, spend years apart from somebody. People need to grow. I'm not saying that we're ever going to be as close as we were, but like we started following each other on instagram again. It's so funny because I was just reading like snippets of it earlier, but it's 101 essays that will change the way that you think and it was about like how you should actually thank people that have put you through adverse experiences, because it helps you change your perspective, because, if anything, they were like a catalyst for growth, had you not gone through. Like that's so fucking true. You know, like the issues that you've gone through in life, like I almost think I don't say like specifically her, but I just think the situation in general, although it was so painful to go through, it taught me so much about, like, how resilient I am and like how empathetic I am. Also taught me that maybe I struggle with communication because clearly other people didn't know what was going on. It's also my responsibility to speak up and like say those things. It just taught me so much about myself that had I not gone through that, I wouldn't know those things.
Speaker 1:The friendship breakups you have. And then you have like the you know, romantic breakups. But it's like the same thing. I learned so much from my romantic breakups, my friendship breakups. Whatever it may be, it literally made me a better person because it's made me more self-aware. It's made me analyze and reflect on the situation and the things that happened throughout that friendship or throughout that relationship that I could do better or that that person could do better, and it made me realize what I need in those relationships and friendships. Yeah, so then you move differently, moving forward, so you know what to look out for now.
Speaker 1:Period Wow, I love that. That was really good. Okay, that was number five. Forgiveness frees you. Amazing, love it. Okay, put it on a t-shirt, literally uh, march coming soon. For real this time, give us a year. Yeah, literally give us five.
Speaker 1:Uh, number six I put which I feel like is again not something that I learned, but something that became super prominent was it's okay to not have everything figured out. I think right now there's so much pressure like around my bank just posted the charge for this new podcast recorder and I had a little jump scare. Okay, no, but I feel like a lot of people can relate to this topic right now. So go off. There's. There's like I mean I think it took me a while to like fully explain to my parents, like what it truly is like to be somebody in your 20s right now, because they think that they know what it's like to be in their 20s because they were once in their 20s and like, yes, you go through all the same growing pains, all the things, but in the nature of the economy and how expensive everything is, it's just scary out there. I mean, you're even like pressured in high school to like try to figure out, like, what you want to do for the rest of your life? Going into college, your frontal lobe isn't even like developed until the age of 25 and you're supposed to pick at the age of 18 what you want to do for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1:I was talking to my younger cousin as she was starting her freshman year. I was like it's okay to change your major. Like don't feel terrible about yourself. Like go try all these different clubs, just try other things out, because you shouldn't have any pressure to like have everything figured out. I know like that's what it seems like on social media that everybody has their life all figured out, but we're all just doing the best that we can and we're all just on a floating rock at the end of the day. Like focus on the day in front of you, spend time in the present, which is I was literally gonna say, another one that we're gonna talk about but it just don't. Don't put pressure on yourself to have everything figured out.
Speaker 1:I feel like a lot of people in their 20s, even 30s they have this time clock, like okay, I'm going to get married here, I'm going to have kids. This time I'm going to buy a house. Then you don't need to have this perfectly planned out life. You just got to go with the flow. Where's the fun in that too? Exactly, it's just not fun's not spontaneous. Yes, it's good to have some things planned, obviously, but I feel like people, especially in their 20s, learn that quickly. You don't need to have everything figured out.
Speaker 1:I think of a girl that we knew previously who just broke up with her boyfriend and she's 28 years old, living with her parents, about to move into a whole new city. That's such an inspiration. Her just doing that and resetting her life at 28, which is still so young. Yeah. But some people would think, oh my God, I'm so behind. I should be married by now, I should have a kid by now, or I should have a house. Like no girl. Chill, we're all on different timelines here. Everyone is not on a specific timeline. Everybody is in their different zone and everybody has different life experiences too. So maybe it makes more sense for people that they want to have kids younger and they want to have like a ton of kids. Maybe that's their value.
Speaker 1:But if your value is, you know, spending time in your 20s traveling and you want to see the world and then you're going to have kids, why would you compare yourself to somebody else's life that has different values and beliefs, as you like. They're just not comparable to begin with. So when you're on social media, you're seeing other people living these lives and you're like, oh my God, we're the same age. It's like, okay, well, maybe they had different life circumstances and different choices that led them to where they are today. That doesn't take away from your journey and your life experiences and your beliefs and your values. I know some people believe that, like you shouldn't live together before marriage, where other people are like no, you should live together before marriage, right? So why would you compare your journey to somebody else's if you don't have the same beliefs? Exactly, that was perfectly said. That's all that needs to be said on that topic. No, I agree. But that leads us to the next one. These like all literally are like so in tune with each other. But we have be present.
Speaker 1:Do your best at being present in the moment, and this has been a huge one for me, because I feel like for the longest time, I would get anxiety, especially, I don't know, like on the weekends, even when it was like Saturday or Friday night, I'd have anxiety If I had plans and I was hanging out with friends or family, I would be thinking about my next Monday oh, what do I have to do for work, oh, what client do I have. Or I would have so much anxiety about the future and what I have to do when I couldn't chill and be present and then I couldn't actually enjoy myself. When I noticed myself doing that and like saying those things in my head, I have to tell myself no bitch, you're fine. Like, be present. I literally say that in my head. When I can sense myself being anxious, I'm like okay, no, you're fine, take a deep breath and enjoy this moment right here. My great grandma is turning 104 in a week, yeah, so also spending more time with her and spending more time with family. This year I feel like I had a lot of time with family. It's opened my eyes to like you really only have so much time on this earth. You need to enjoy the moment and be present and take it all in in that moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, speaking of that, another little excerpt of that book that I read was like something about being in your 20s and beliefs that people have about being in your 20s, and a lot of people think that like the 20s is like the start of your life and like that's true for most people, but also like, unfortunately, a lot of people in their 20s and like early 30s tragically lose their lives, and like obviously, that's not something that's planned. So, waking up with gratitude every single morning and being present in that day and just being grateful for another day on earth like everything comes second to the fact that you just like woke up today I see this quote all the time now, but there's people praying to be in the position that you're in right now. I feel like that quote really stuck with me. If everybody wrote their biggest problem on a piece of paper and all threw it into a bowl and you picked one out, would you be praying that you picked out yours, or there's a chance that you could get like a way worse problem, and would you really honestly want to trade places with other people's problems? Probably not. So just put that in perspective and try your best to like remain present in your day-to-day life and just be grateful that you're even here.
Speaker 1:To begin with, facts Wow, that got deep real quick. Wow, we are getting deep and our sushi's almost here. Yeah, okay, great, wait, so that was number seven. Yeah, that was number seven, which was just be present. Number eight your time outside of work is valuable. I think this is something that we both also had to learn.
Speaker 1:Again, like when you're giving a lot of your time and your attention to your job which, honestly, a lot of other people do as well it can be so easy to just like, come home and, you know, be a vegetable on the couch and not move, not want to talk to anybody. But when you spend your time like doom scrolling and like all the things, and you know you waste those hours away, you go to bed, you wake up, you live the same life over and over again, it can become honestly, kind of depressing. Literally makes you lose your mind and think that your life is probably worse than it actually is. You just have to be intentional. Obviously, you don't want to do things after work that are gonna drain even more energy out of you. Like don't go hang out with a group of friends that you don't align with, of course, but I'm saying, use this time outside of work to fill your cup.
Speaker 1:Maybe you're somebody who's super creative, like me. I did my paint by numbers, I have my little art projects, but it's just something that I like to do. It connects me to my inner childhood. I had all the arts and crafts in the world when I was a kid, so getting out markers or paint or anything like that, that fills my cup back up and makes me happy and, honestly, it makes me feel like I have a life outside of work. It's crazy as that sounds. I think the big reason why I like got to the point where I wasn't managing my time outside of work is because my schedule is just so crazy. I was working really long hours and days and now that I've switched that schedule, I like feel like such more of a human Like after work I have time to like actually do something, like a coloring book period, or like actually going to work out and move my body, going to yoga Love going to yoga so much because it resets my brain and it just makes me feel so good. So just like doing things like that, even this, like doing the podcast, this is like our passion project At the end of the day. We're doing this because we love it and we love inspiring and helping people, and if we can inspire one person from this, we couldn't ask for more amazing number eight. Your time out of work is valuable.
Speaker 1:Looks like the sushi is like literally almost here. Yeah, it's like one minute away. Okay, great, um, we're gonna pause and take a intermission for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Okay, our tummies are full. We're back. Sushi slapped, even though it was cold because it took forever for the dasher to get here. Yeah, it still hit the spot, it was still good, okay, anyway. Next topic um, I think we're on number nine. Nine, yeah, so my five, yes, okay. So my five is that your health is everything just making sure to like nurture your body and feeling it properly.
Speaker 1:In the months of september to december, end of december, I was like really sick. I just told shelby I had got covid and then, ever since I had that, my immune system was just like horrible. Every time I had to tank my immune. Oh, my god, yes, for months. And then I got bronchitis, like three weeks after. And then, after the bronchitis situation, I just felt like I was constantly getting like small colds here and there. I had constant congestion, the post nasal drip like disgusting, okay, like gross, gross, and then I ended up getting the flu, like it was just like one thing after the other. But I feel like during that time, reflecting back on it, I definitely could have been like fueling my body, my body better, and like taking care of myself more and like consuming more vitamins Like now I have like a whole set of vitamins that I take and supplements. But, yeah, I feel like making sure that your body feels good and like you're feeling it the way that it should. You should be. There's a lot of stuff out there and people comparing themselves to influencers and tiny little bodies and like fitness people and it's like, if you can just focus on feeling good, that's all that matters, to be honest, and like being active, getting up, moving your body, eating good foods that make your body feel good. That's everything I think.
Speaker 1:When I was going through my whole journey with food, I had a weird whack-ass relationship with food for a while. I think I felt we talked about this actually like our first episode. I went back and I listened to that actually, yeah, and how we both talked about how we like struggled with like binge eating and like all the things and like finding dopamine from eating food and that was like one of the only things that could bring us joy at the time. All that depressing stuff but so real at the same. At the same time, dealing with binge eating is very, very difficult to build your relationship with food back up again. But I've been focusing the last couple of years on not just like how food tastes, but also like recognizing how food makes me feel like. I am such a pasta girly and I love making all the pasta dishes and they all taste really great and amazing.
Speaker 1:But if you are putting stuff in your body with processed ingredients or I don't know just crazy shit that's on the shelves now that wasn't on the shelves like 100 years ago I don't know just crazy shit that's on the shelves now that wasn't on the shelves like a hundred years ago, I don't know. Obviously that stuff like doesn't make you feel good because it's not real food and real nutrients. I mean, they put so much fillers and all that stuff in like processed foods that sometimes, even though the food tastes good, like you get that little dopamine rush but then your gut hurts for hours. It's never worth it. No, I like literally tell myself in my head sometimes if I'm craving McDonald's or something. I'm like think of how you're going to feel after. Like I have to tell myself that I'm like okay, not worth it. Is the taste worth the feeling after? Yeah, I mean obviously balance, like we said, balance. So you're obviously going to have a treat here and there. You're going to like splurge that just on like an everyday basis. If I could eat pasta for every meal and not let it affect me negatively in any way possible, I totally would, but unfortunately that is just simply not the case. Unless we move to italy, their shit is not processed because they make it with literally flour and eggs and that's it. I'm always asking myself in my head, like is this gonna give me energy? It's gonna make me feel good. That's really the best way you can go about it.
Speaker 1:Amazing, okay, so nine was nine. Was that? Your health is everything? Pen chips need healthy communication practices to thrive. We actually went out on a double date last night. We had the best time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of things that you see on social media about relationships, like everybody, of course, I mean social media is a highlight reel, so people are only going to post the good things, or the majority of it. I feel like the pendulum starting to swing where people are getting comfortable with being more authentic. But, like you see, all like these relationships being all cuddly and everything being rainbows and butterflies Of course nobody's going to post their fights or disagreements that they have with their significant other, like the fact that they disagree on other things, or the low points of the relationship. And everybody says communication is everything, but nobody really explains what that means. Like, communication is not just the words that come out of your mouth, it's how you say it, it's your body language, it's your tone of voice, your word choice. Like you, just, you have to be so careful to articulate yourself in the way that you want to come across. Because, like, there will be times where I won't be offended by what my boyfriend is trying to say, but I'll be offended by the way that he says it to me in your tone. Yes, but it's.
Speaker 1:It's having those moments like with your significant other, like we're first and foremost meant to be like a mirror for each other. Like if you have a behavior, if you have a tone that I'm not vibing with, or vice versa, like the same goes for me. Just, I always picture it as I'm holding up a mirror and be like I'm just holding up a mirror to you, like I don't like that tone. Like reflect back on yourself and like ask yourself like was that a proper way to say that Like, and not just about like the things that you say, but like the things that you don't say. Like getting comfortable with communicating to your partner about everything Things you need, the things you want. And that also comes with knowing yourself. Like how can you ask your partner for your needs and things that like make you comfortable in a relationship if you don't even know what those things are yourself? So it first starts again with like self-awareness in like who you are as a person and what you need in a relationship, and that comes with like growth and time. But you also need to like take the time to actually sit down and figure out what those things are for you. You can't just like mosey on through life and just find a person that, like you vibe with, because at the end of the day, like you're building a life with this person eventually going to build the foundation for buying a home, you know, maybe having kids or like whatever life looks like for you with like kids aren't in your journey, that's fine, but just just figuring out what you need from your partner and like healthily communicating that to them, while not being like aggressive or, you know, come across a way that could like potentially hurt them and that literally.
Speaker 1:My next one is relationships take work and patience, and love is a choice. Why are these always like they're flowing? I know they are okay, we could kind of dabble into that one, yeah, so I mean my 10 was relationships need healthy communication to thrive. And then 11 is relationships need effort and work. You're really like learning each other in the beginning. Yeah, probably the first like couple years. You're like really learning each other and how they react and like their childhood, how they grew up, how they're responding with like the trauma that they went through and just learning how they operate. And they're learning how you operate, and it's like sink or swim. Yeah, you're either gonna like grow together and like learn each other and like stay together and choose each other. Obviously you have to be like in love with them too, but like right, you have to either choose each other or move on to the next. If you can't like see yourself growing with this person, or if you see certain things that you know they do that you can't see, you can't see yourself with this person. Love is kind of a choice. At the end of the day, like you're choosing that person, you're choosing to work with them and be patient and grow with them, because, also, when we started dating our boyfriends, like we were so different compared to who we are now. So if you can see yourself growing with them and choosing them on a day-to-day basis, by all means that's how it should be.
Speaker 1:I keep saying I forget where I heard this, but like I promise I'm hearing these things and I'm not just making them up. I read a lot of stuff and listen to a lot of podcasts, but I I learned this somewhere where it was like the five stages of relationships and the first one is like the honeymoon phase, where you're like gung-ho and like all over the person and like everything's perfect, whatever, because you're just so in love and like whatever. And then, obviously, like a couple months go by, like I think it's around like six months to a year where, like, the honeymoon phase starts to wear off and you get into like the phase where now you're like, like Liv said, like learning each other, like you are triggering each other a lot, like they may be doing things that are triggering you. You're doing things that are triggering them, of course, like you had your own upbringings and like your own life experiences. So even though you think acting one way is totally fine, or like saying something in one tone is like totally fine, like maybe for the other person it's triggering because they went through something in their life that makes that triggering and like vice versa, yeah, but it's. It's not just like getting angry with your partner and like yelling at them for it. It's like healthily articulating, like when you do X. It makes me feel like this and therefore like makes me feel like I'm not safe in this relationship.
Speaker 1:If you don't do yourself the due diligence and do your partner the due diligence to have a healthy conversation where, like emotions aren't involved. That's another piece where it can get like super dangerous. Like if you're super like emotionally heightened, you're just gonna like snap on your partner. And that was me. Like I would just like react and like bottle shit up, and then I'd blow up and then he'd be like what the hell is happening? Yeah, like I had to really learn how to communicate and he did too. But the fact that he had patience with me, with like learning all that because I also, too, would shut down, and he does too, and we like talked about that, and it's very uncomfortable, like having those conversations and trying to open up and opening up about why something is triggering, but it's so worth it in the end because then you become closer and then you have a stronger, healthier relationship, something that helped, like Tyler and I too and I've heard other people use this analogy where, like if there's something that you're disagreeing on, or if there's like a problem that arises, or like an obstacle that you have to tackle in a relationship, think of like two teams playing each other, like football or hockey or baseball.
Speaker 1:Like you're playing the other team, like for football. You're standing on separate sides of the field, you're attacking each other. Where I always use this and he loves sports, so like it makes it, makes it make sense in his brain, but we're on the same team, we're on the same side of the field, we have the same coach, we have the same goals to attack the problem. The problem is on the other side of the field and you and I are arm in arm, hand in hand, attacking the problem together. And I think also, if you're having disagreements with your partner sitting on a couch together, facing I I don't know something psychological about it versus like me facing you and us, like being against each other versus like us sitting next to each other. There's something psychological where, like you feel like you're tackling the problem together versus like standing face to face and like arguing at each other. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:There's so many things that go into relationships that you have to learn. And don't be like discouraged if, like you get in a disagreement or like you're going through like a difficult time, like with your partner. At the end of the day, like it's not going to be perfect, but the only thing that truly matters is if you're both willing and able to put in the work to get to where you have to go. You need somebody that's going to commit the same amount of time and patience and work into you. If the level of effort isn't the same and your goal isn't the same, then that's when you need to analyze okay, is it time to walk away from this? But if you truly believe in the relationship and you believe that the other person is doing their best to like grow in these areas, just have grace and like patience with them, I mean, like we've been on our self growth journey for what like five years, yeah, and I still have so much that I want to like change about myself, and I still have things about myself that I'm not proud of. I still snap in our relationship sometimes Like I'm not perfect. But as long as you're willing to just like keep going and like keep trying to tackle life's problems together and you do it as a unit and like as a group, versus like combating each other, I mean, you'll deal with so many issues in your life on a day-to-day basis. The last thing that you need is like to be fighting with your partner too. Exactly, they're supposed to be your home and somebody that you to for safety and security, not the opposite Period. I think we can end it on that, okay. Okay, next one this is number 12.
Speaker 1:Your definition of success may change as you grow. Not having the same goals you did even a year ago, is totally normal. I mean, even if you go back to like one of our like first couple episodes. I was talking about how I wanted to move to New York and how we wanted to be like millionaires, like when we were in our direct sales phase. Our goal was to make this amount of money and like whatever. And now my goal is to eventually, at some point, get engaged, get married, you know, settle down, have a house. But that's because somebody came into my life that I see that future with where now I'm like, okay, my goals are changing, but like don't think that you're a fraud or that you're not remaining true to yourself just because you change your goals. I mean, heck, I wanted to be a fashion designer at the age of five, like you know. Like think about the first you know dream job that like people ask you, like you were as a kid, like obviously that's not your goal now. So, like it's normal to to change what you want. It's always going to change and you can't like not embrace the change. Yeah, I just want a fucking slow, comfortable life. Same, because I want to be comfortable financially, like be able to have security and like do the things that we want to do, but have like a serene, beautiful home and a place to come home to. Yeah, I just want like a secure, slow, safe right which is also like a luxury and a privilege. Yeah, absolutely, but like it's so different from what we wanted. Like years ago we wanted the exact opposite. We were in the hustle mindset. We wanted more, more, more, more, more, and we were never satisfied. And now I'm like fuck, a glass of wine, some sushi and just chilling on a saturday night is like more than I could ever want. Same, I couldn't be happier. To be honest, amazing, yeah, I love it. Okay. So for everybody, if you're writing these down, amazing 12, your definition of success may change as you grow, and that's okay. Love 13, 13. I think I kind of mixed some up here. That's okay. Let's go back to the first one that you didn't do.
Speaker 1:Oh, sunday resets will be your best friend period or just like weekly resets or monthly reset, whatever it is need be. But I pretty much take every sunday. I don't like to make any plans on sunday and if I do, it's like maybe a brunch with a girlfriend and that's it. I like plan the groceries. I plan my meals for the week, because it just works better for me to meal prep. I don't work from home, so it's just nice to have that and have the structure. I normally do yoga on a sunday and it's just like, so relaxing, to just like reset your mind and like excited for tomorrow and just to like have new intentions for the week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like, because we're always all of us are like in hustle and bustle, we have a lot going on, it's winter time. I feel like we're all kind of feeling just a little blah and like winter uglies are here and we're just not feeling our best, like energetically. So having that reset helps a lot with your mind and your energy. And even, too, like if you're somebody who's like super busy, like if you're a stay-at-home mom or like you're a single mom and like you just don't have a ton of time to like dedicate your entire sunday like solely to yourself, like also finding little pockets in your day to do little mini resets, like I also try my I don't do it every night, because that would be unrealistic and I'd be lying to you guys if I said I did.
Speaker 1:But when I'm up for it and like when I'm in the mindset for it, I like to do what people call like a closing shift, like of your house, where, like even you take like 15 minutes. You set the timer, tyler, and I will do this for fun actually was a timer on the microwave for like 15 minutes, and anything that's out in the open that is like not in place, like we'll pick it up, we'll put it away. It's almost like gamifies it in a way, because you're trying to beat the clock, like okay, what, what can we do in 15 minutes? But it's only 15 minutes of your night and it really does make a big difference. There's just something about waking up to like a clean home that gets you ready to start the day. There's nothing better. Today we got up and cleaned the entire apartment and like vacuumed and like Swiffered the floors and like just got clean. Oh God, it was so nice.
Speaker 1:So sometimes you just need days like that. Just find a little pocket of time to reset, even if it's yet, like she said, a little pocket of time at the end of your day. If you can dedicate a Sunday or even like a Sunday morning, it just resets your brain and it resets your body a little bit. And for my work from home girlies, this is a tip that you can kind of tie into it too, like for me, like working from home, it can be so easy to get caught in like your job. But if I find myself ever getting stressed out, that's the time that I'll push away from my desk for 10 to 15 minutes and I'll do something to distract myself, and that is making the bed or cleaning up around the house or from the night before, if I didn't do the closing shift, and then I come back to my work with a fresh perspective because I spent 15 minutes distracting myself doing something else, like A. I have a cleaner head now, or does that make any sense? Yeah, yeah, a cleaner head. A cleaner, more clean of a head, less stressed head. You know what I mean. Yeah, just yeah, a clearer mind. Maybe that's what I was looking for. There we go Clear, clean, jeez. But I also was productive and like reset my space around me. So now, like I feel more prepared to take on the thing that was previously stressing me out yeah, love, amazing. Next one, so that one was just finding a time to reset, whether that be a Sunday or some day of the week that you can prioritize Resets will never be a bad thing. No, okay, number 14. Oh, we're about to get deep. It's okay to not be okay and ask for help.
Speaker 1:I feel like it can be very, very easy to let your pride and ego get in the way and be easy to like, tell people like no, I'm fine, like I'm good, but that leads to a lot of not good things for both you and everybody else around you. I'm, I think, now more than ever, like people are starting to be more authentic on social media, especially with TikTok. People are just being real and like authentic and vulnerable about like their struggles, which is so beautiful to see. But I think for a while, like leading up to TikTok, everything on social media was so superficial. It was so easy to like compare yourself. But my journey with like depression and like all the things like it runs in my mom's side of the family. I also, I believe it runs in my dad's side of the family as well. So double whammy on that.
Speaker 1:But I was on medication for a while and then I think it was in 2022. I ended up just like stopping at cold turkey and if you know anything about antidepressants, that is like the number one rule Like don't do that because it sends your body like into a spiral. And if you're not like taking that medication, your body's like what's going on? Like where is it? And it just crashes.
Speaker 1:And I think I was just like in a place where I was like naive and I was like, yeah, I'm good, I'm doing, good Like, and I truly was, like I was, I felt so happy but I don't know, I just like went off it for a while and I think I started to spiral and not even realize it, like in my own head, like it slowly started to creep up on me and it took me like a while to even realize that like I was like in a depressive funk. But I mean, all my friends could have told me, like you could have told me, like I just was not myself, I was not talking to anybody, no friends. Like I was just in like a cave, almost just tucked away like by myself, and I don't't know. It was just like so hard to decipher, like what was my thoughts and like what was like depressive thoughts and not to. You know, like everybody will have like their bad days and everybody will have like depressive thoughts, but like I know myself well enough where, if I don't have motivation to like be creative or motivated to like do things and like something's truly wrong.
Speaker 1:So finally, like I had a come to Jesus moment with myself and I was like Shelby, like it's actually okay to like stop running from the truth and like running from the fact that, like you're not doing okay right now. Like I know, you want to put on a brave face for everybody else around you. You want to be a people pleaser. Like you don't want to be a burden to other people. You don't want to like have to ask for help because then, like you're asking for something of other people and everybody's life is so busy right now that it can be so easy to feel like you're I don't know negatively affecting somebody else by bringing it up so you can just be comfortable with saying no, I'm fine, like everything's going fine.
Speaker 1:Until it got to the place where I was like no, something is seriously not right. Like now, now it's hard for me to get out of bed, and that is not good. I finally was like for me to get out of bed, and that is not good. I finally was like hey, um, hey, I'm depressed again. I should probably go back to the doctor and, like people have their opinions on medication and like all the things, like I'm not saying that medication is like the only answer, but it can truly help pull you out of that place. I don't want to say like quickly, but I saw like such a change even after like two weeks of like staying on my medication, where I'm like my brain was quieter and like I just felt like me again.
Speaker 1:So, obviously, like your journey is your journey. Like I'm not out here telling people like pop pills and like take medication, but like sometimes it's needed though. Yeah, sometimes it really is needed, it really honestly it's just a mood stabilizer. Yeah, as long as you monitor it and don't like overdo it. Absolutely it's needed sometimes and that's totally okay. But you have to just like be willing to like put your pride and your ego aside and just like be willing to like first admit that I'm not okay and like again, like it goes back to like our society.
Speaker 1:I feel like we're getting so much better at having open arms for people that admit that they're struggling. But if you don't admit that you're struggling, like your brain can feed you a lot of scary thoughts and, unfortunately, like some people end up acting on those and it just it breaks my heart because I don't know. I just I wish every person in this world like would feel safe, just saying I'm not okay and having the support that they deserve, because everybody deserves that. Oh, now I'm gonna cry. That's so true, though. That's real life well, in this like world that we're living. I know we keep saying that, but you guys know there's a lot of fucking shit going on and it's like really overwhelming and I feel like mental health is like such a huge thing right now.
Speaker 1:A lot of people are struggling with mental health. For the past like few years it's been rough, I feel like ever since COVID happened and it's been hard to get resources. So I don't know, I feel like being self-aware enough to admit that you're struggling and you're going through something and that you need help, like that is the right thing to do or else it's going to bottle up in your body and cause so many other issues issues in your body, issues with people, issues everywhere, every everything like you gotta just let it out and you're not weak for doing that. You're strong for doing that. The exact opposite you are so strong for admitting when you need help and need support, like it's so easy to get. I guess I shouldn't say easy. It's a lot easier when you're going through something physical like breaking a leg, because it's something that people can see. Obviously they can see something's wrong with you if you have crutches or you have a cast on your body, but mental health and all that stuff happens inside of your body, in your brain, and they're just things that people can't see. So it's almost your responsibility to let people in on that.
Speaker 1:But make sure that you're also trusting the right people with that kind of information that you're not just you know. It's kind of spewing that to anybody that you know. Maybe other people will tell you like, oh, just get over it. Like dah, dah, dah, and like those aren't the people that you want to go to when it comes to mental health. Like find a trusted friend and somebody that like live. And I always know that we can like confide in one another, but like I can't say that I can confide in everybody around me because I don't know if they can show up for me in the way that I need them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, can we normalize how hard it is to find a fucking therapist though? Oh, I started looking for a therapist in like september october. Still don't have one, because my insurance doesn't cover anything and everyone has wait lists, like the good ones, all have wait lists, yeah, so I'm just sitting here chilling, but that that's the thing, though. So that freaks me out and makes me sad for the people that like obviously, yes, I would love a therapist to like work through my things, but I'm not like in dire need of one right now. I can't imagine the people that are and they can't get those resources right away, and then shit happens.
Speaker 1:And also, like just a personal opinion on better help. Oh yeah, did you have better help? No, there's just. I've heard so many horror stories really because I was gonna look at that. Yeah, no, I mean, there definitely are some good therapists on there. Just like, be cautious with like the people that like you set yourself up with. Because I heard, like I think it was somebody on TikTok talking about how they got matched with a random therapist. Yeah, and the person was like going to the bathroom, like, while they were like talking to them, like would just take the phone with them, what, and like wasn't paying attention to what they said.
Speaker 1:Ew, I mean and it goes for every profession too Like I don't want to just knock on therapists because, like therapists are beautiful human beings but or at least most of them are, but some of them also do it as a cash grab, like they want to keep um, like their clients for as long as possible, so they don't truly help them work through their problems. So it's also, like you know, trying to find a therapist that also works for you. Like if you find a therapist, chances works for you. Like if you find a therapist, chances are like the first person you find is not actually going to be the person for you, unfortunately, and like just the whole therapy world and journey right now is is difficult. I mean, yeah, so we're spreading awareness so you're not alone if you are also struggling to find, like a therapist or resources. But there's also so many other resources out there that like are not talk therapy, where you need to sit in front of another person to talk and like honestly, like I found more success sometimes like writing stuff down and like having conversations with myself in my head because, like you truly know yourself better than like a therapist does. Like you have to go through like a whole journey for them. Like to get to know you and all the things. And like I will always be like an advocate for therapy, but I will always also be an advocate for just doing what's best for you and taking care of yourself, you know, especially when it can be hard to find a therapist, with a wait list. You know like there's so much more that you can do while you wait to be on a list for therapy and get access to a therapist to where you can, you know, start to at least try to pull yourself out of that place before you start talking to somebody else. No, yeah, that's why I go to yoga so much, finding things like that that that work for you.
Speaker 1:Therapy is not the only answer. No, okay, wait. So what was that again? That one was 14. It's okay to not be okay to ask for help, so yours will be 15. Love, nope, okay, listen to your body. That's number 15. This has been huge Cause. Also, we hold a lot of stress and things in our body and normally our body will tell us when something is happening or we need something or we're deficient in something. Like I started taking vitamin D3. That shit's been helping me so much Insane With my energy levels and just like my immunity, I'm great more than again, not a doctor. More than 50 percent of people, I think, are deficient in vitamin d3 because we're inside all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that also kind of goes with like listening to your gut and your intuition. That's kind of like goes hand in hand. I think listening to your intuition, like your gut, is more on like making decisions, whereas like listening to your body is like your body's gonna tell you when you're not taking care of it, like. But that also comes with like learning to relax, because, like, if you don't even relax and stay still long enough to pay attention to your body, like, let alone you know, actually listen to it and like make changes, I don't know you're just gonna keep going about your life and like running through the motions and like stressing yourself out, like you need to take time to like relax and like tune into your body to actually understand what your body's trying to tell you in the first place. Yeah, I feel like tuning into your body is like major, yeah, knowing what it needs and knowing what makes it feel good.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, for a while, I operated like as my mind and my body were completely disconnected, which is such a terrible way to go about it. But I would think about my physical health and my mental health as like almost separate entities, when in reality, everything's interconnected. It is like your gut. I feel like, dude, this year has been like the year of gut health, like everybody on the planet is figuring out what gut health is, and I am too Amazing. We're all figuring it out but your gut is like connected to your entire body.
Speaker 1:So, like if you're having certain I don't know, say like a headache, or say you are sensitive to a certain thing, I don't know, your gut just tells you everything. Like if you're, I can't fucking talk right now, the wine is getting to me, the wine is getting to me, but no, like your body will tell you when, like something's going wrong, like if you feel like your gut's like super bloated, like inflammation, anything in your body like that is. That is one thing that you should be paying attention to. Oh, I feel like it's pretty, it's pretty self-explanatory, like you'll, you'll have energy if you're taking care of your body in the right way, and vice versa, like the exact opposite. Like you're going to constantly be drained of energy and not feel like yourself. You're going to feel tired if you're. Yeah, and that's your body just telling you. Well, when I was sick, that was like frigging four months of my life. The new year hit and I was like feeling better, but I'm like, wow I. The new year hit and I was like feeling better, but I'm like, wow, I really, really have not been taking care of myself. I'm like listening to my body the way I should have, and now I've implemented different things throughout my routine and I feel like a million times better. I love that for you. Yeah, amazing, okay, love, okay. So number 15, just yeah, listen to your body. We're 16. I know this is like becoming like super, like trendy and everybody's talking about it, but it truly honestly, is like one of the best messages I've heard in a while.
Speaker 1:Mel robbins she came out with the let them theory and if you're not familiar with it, essentially is like people are going to do and act how they want to. Things are going to go on in the world. This is kind of like controlling the controllables right. Like let other people. Like if somebody unfollows you on social media, let them. If somebody you know speaks to you in a certain way, like let them. It's a lot about like emotional management, honestly, which I think is such a revolutionary topic for so many people, which is crazy, because I think emotional awareness and like management should be taught in like high school. No, literally every single human has emotions. It's part of us, it's fundamental, yet nobody teaches you about them and how to manage them and how to regulate them. Yeah, it's really great just managing your emotions and not letting yourself get riled up over things that, like, you can't control, but not only just like. Let other people be that way, but then let yourself act in accordance, based on that like let other people do what they want to do, like they're gonna do it anyway. Like you can't control other people's actions, behaviors, emotions, but let yourself control your own by making decisions that are best for you.
Speaker 1:Number 17 17 I feel like this kind of already relates to what you said. What I said earlier you don't always need a plan. Dare I say that? I think it's kind of similar but different. Like also like, if you have an idea for something like this podcast, trust me when we say this was not our plan to start, stop it three fucking times. So sorry for that, but like we didn't have a plan for it.
Speaker 1:We've just been kind of learning and growing as we go and you know, as long as, like, you have the desire to do something, just keep putting one foot in front of the other. Like you may go two steps forward, one step back, like three steps forward, five steps back, eight steps forward, like you don't always need, like a plan, but as long as you have like a desire and a drive to like keep going, like that is what will fuel you. And that was kind of me with the suite too, because I didn't I wasn't like planning to do that, like I was planning maybe like in five years, to have my own suite. And then I went and looked at the location and I was like all right, we're gonna do this. And I literally did not have a plan. Like I was like we're just gonna go with the flow. Amazing, everything's gonna align, the way it's going to and that's what's going to happen. And it did. And you trusted yourself.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, you have to have the trust in yourself, yeah, which is huge and knowing that you're going to be okay, knowing that you're going to be successful in whatever it is that you're going to do. But sometimes you really don't need a step-by-step plan. I know that's hard for some people that are like type a I am not type a, so don't come for me but maybe in some ways in my work. But anyways, it's, it's fine to just go with the flow and let life take you where it's going to take you like. I think that's the best part of life is that you think you're going to go one direction and then life takes you a complete opposite direction, right, and it leads you into a newer, better circumstance, right?
Speaker 1:If you had to wait to, like, have everything all figured out before you, like made a move in life, you'd stay stuck in where you are right now, literally forever. Like you can tie this in, like we were saying, like trusting yourself and just trust that you're going to lead yourself in the direction that you know that you want to go, even if stuff goes awry, even if stuff doesn't go according to the way that you wanted it to go, like whatever, you don't always need to have a plan to put one foot in front of the other. You don't need to see the end of the forest to see, like, the next step in front of you. You know, yes, exactly, wow, and that's how we live our lives, period, period. If I, if I sat and planned out like every and that's the other thing too like your, your initial plan is never going to go according to plan. Like no, you know, when we try to plan the podcast and like type out all of our notes. It never went, no, according to plan. We were more stressed out because we were like, okay, did I make sure? Like I covered this and yeah, we're just meant to be more conversational and going with the flow, but like we don't need a plan to still do it, exactly love, so you don't always need a plan.
Speaker 1:That was number what? 17. We're almost there, guys. 24. Amazing, honestly, so much that we've learned, we know these are helping you, guys.
Speaker 1:Number 18, if someone can't understand their own emotions, they don't have the capacity to understand yours either. We're talking a lot about emotions and I love it, you know, it's honestly the best, and I think you can never talk about them enough, because there's always more to learn about it, especially because there's like no emphasis put on it. It drives me. This is going to be my life mission is to get emotional intelligence courses into high schools. I think I think you should say, but like everybody needs to learn about them. But that's the thing is like.
Speaker 1:I think, even like in my relationship, like at the beginning, helping your, like your partner understand like their emotions really helps them to understand yours as well, because the more that they understand how something makes them feel, the better it is for them to like understand how something will make you feel. I think this like ties a lot just like into empathy, like empathy is truly like putting yourself in somebody else's shoes and looking at it not from your perspective and your experience, but from there. It's like if you grew up with the way that they were raised and you went through the same life experiences that that person went through, would their behavior make sense? I do that a lot, right, I do that a lot with my current partner. I feel like like I had to kind of put myself in their shoes and think like, okay, this makes sense, like this makes sense why they're responding this way. This makes sense, why they can't open up about this certain topic or they feel like they need to shut down, like there's so many things. I feel like I had to do that and opened my eyes and I always see those videos where it's like this is the person you're talking to and it's like them as a little kid breaks my heart. Or it's like when you're talking to yourself, like you're talking to your inner child, you're talking to little Liv or little Shelby, like you have to kind of I don't know, that was kind of off topic, no, but no, it's exactly on topic. I think, just like understanding yourself and your emotions will help you to better understand everybody else around you, because you realize that everybody's just doing their best with what they were given and trying to navigate their own emotions and nobody's going to be perfect, like everybody's going to make mistakes. But that's why having empathy and understanding is huge. Just because it doesn't make sense to you based on your upbringing and your perspective and your beliefs, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to you based on, like your upbringing and your perspective and your beliefs, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for them. Number 19, green 18 um, I lost my guess. It'll be number 10 for you. Yeah, I know, but I've been like going all over the place but um, um, let's do this one. I don't think I've done this one yet.
Speaker 1:Romanticizing taking care of yourself. Oh, like even the small things, like grocery shopping. I don't, sometimes I fucking hate grocery shopping, but then I like read out a whole list, I write out my recipe and I'm like, okay, I can romanticize this and it's fun, you make it fine. Yeah, like little things like that again, being like present in the moment and like enjoying the day to day and making the mundane like fun, yes, like washing your face, putting some under eye patches on, like that self care and like taking care of yourself is just everything Will always make you feel good. Yeah, it's always going to make you feel good and you always have yourself at the end of the day. So why not prioritize you and romanticize you in your relationship with you?
Speaker 1:I think that like really helped me as I was like trying to pull myself out of like that depressive state for a while. You're in the thick of it for a while and like you forget what it's like to actually take care of yourself. Like when I tell you like I some days like would not even like wash my face, like I would just put my hair up in a messy bun and like sit down at my desk right away because I didn't have it in me to like take care of my appearance and like how sad you know. Like have fun with it and like I really learned to like romanticize of, like taking care of me and like what that looks like for me, like learning the things that like made me feel good. Agreed, even like a morning routine, like I love a good slow morning making my matcha, oh, doing my skincare and a little makeup routine. Nothing better, yeah, there's really nothing better.
Speaker 1:I love being a girl which, speaking of, I discovered this new app. I'm such an app girly. Have you heard of Finch before? Is it an app where you get a little bird or like penguin, yeah, and you take care of the bird slash penguin by taking care of yourself? Oh my God, it's so cute. I love this. I'm gonna show you I I've definitely heard of that my day 26 streak since I got it. I got it at the beginning. My little bird is now a full-on child because it's been growing, which we love.
Speaker 1:But you get little energy and like points for your bird anytime that you do something on your self-care to-do list. I have on here like make your bed, so I don't chuck it and I don't give my little bird energy until, like I make my own bed, or I like wash my own face, or I have on here floss because my sister's been on my ass to floss because she's a dental hygienist. You need it. Like making self-care for yourself fun and like I don't know why. Like the app. Just like makes it so much easier for me to conceptualize it, but like it also makes it fun. They have so many different like you can click like a goal sponsor us, yeah, hey, hey, binge can be our sponsor. No, I actually love this. I don't know who came up with this, but it has like. Okay, here are suggested ones like take a hot shower one hour before bed or make a gratitude list before sleeping if you need help with exercise.
Speaker 1:It puts like a bunch of different like exercises and like your daily to-do list. It motivates you to like get stuff done. So I mean whatever works for you. Yeah, like romanticizing, taking care of yourself, and if you need to make it a little game for yourself, do whatever works for you exactly. I also I am huge with like getting massages and getting facials. Like I'm sorry, that's just something I'm always gonna do because it makes me feel so good.
Speaker 1:So, finding things, even if not, even if you can't do it every month, like, do it every three, four months at least. Like, or get your nails done. Like getting my nails done today, I'm like god, I just feel like a new bitch. It just makes you feel so good. I know you feel so happy and like put together, yeah, just finding little things. You don't need to be this crazy, like always put together person, but like doing one thing here and there to like make yourself feel good, makes again like the world of difference. Yes, love, oh my god, I've been loving this conversation. I know this is so good. I love that like we're recapping the, the year I know and everything that we've learned, because now I feel like we're just blasting off into what is it 2025? Uh, number 20?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, you can't think logically and emotionally at the same time. So don't make decisions or react when you're emotional. Make sure to manage your emotions first and then react or make a decision from a logical, not emotional, place. You would think this is like common sense. You would think but some people aren't aware enough to do that, which is fine, but some people aren't aware enough to do that, no, which is fine, but the emotions take them over. Fucking work on it. But like, yeah, when you let those emotions take over which I've been there before too it's almost like you're not yourself. Oh, you're not yourself and you like feel like that you're like a different person. When those emotions come out, you're like, oh my god, who was that? That was not me like sorry, I'm embarrassed. Like don't yeah, don't take that that way, it was your triggered self. Like not your, your real self.
Speaker 1:Like if you're experiencing an emotion like the again, the best example I can think of is like me being furloughed. Like, of course, like I was emotional when that happened, but like I'm not gonna like write an email back to the person that furloughed me when I'm in an emotional state. Hello, that would be terrible. Like I took a step to like walk away and like compose myself and compose my emotions and check on myself first, and then I wrote the email from a non-emotional, logical state where I was able to actually react from my true, authentic self instead of my emotional self. Love, that's the perfect example.
Speaker 1:You could get yourself into a lot of trouble if you don't take a minute to like chill and like regulate your emotions before reacting. You could snap on somebody and say something that, like you can take back. You know, like you could I don't know like walk away from a relationship and then realize that, like you wanted to keep working on it, like you were just emotional in the moment. There's just so many things that, like you can choose to do an emotional state that your emotions will make you do and act from a place that's not like truly yourself. I can. I regret so many times, like I can think of so many times. I did that in the past and I just regret that so much. Oh, my god, like just the emotional immaturity, like in high school, where you just like snap and go off on your friends, like the moment they like minorly inconvenienced you horrible, insane but you learn and you grow. Yeah, exactly so. Keeping that in mind is, yeah, key. Okay, so that was 20. Yeah, oh, my god, we're almost done.
Speaker 1:Amazing 21 always be open to feedback and be open to ways you can improve and change in a positive way. Love that, I love that too. I feel like being open to constructive criticism can improve and change in a positive way. I love that. I love that too. I feel like being open to constructive criticism has always been one of my strong suits. Like I'm always wanting to like learn and grow and like be better, especially in my work. That is very true about you, thank you. I unfortunately cannot say the same about myself. We've been getting better at it. But no, that is so true for you. It's because my mom, my mom's the same way. I learned that from my mother. Thank you, love you, love you. Um, she did good with that one.
Speaker 1:But no, I mean, when somebody's coming at you with feedback and like they're wanting to help you, like they're coming into it with like love, it's clearly them wanting you to be a better person. So like taking that and like taking it in and not recognizing it as like, oh my god, this person's like like criticizing me or like, right, making me feel. I mean, obviously there's people that make you feel small, but like, if they're coming at it in a way where it's like out of love, they're wanting you to be a better person. So just being open to that and like acting on it and implementing it right, like two things can be true. Right, like you can be doing great and amazing at a lot of things, but like also still have an area that you need to work on. Right, like we checked sometimes, like please check me. I think what could I be doing better? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like just somebody's criticism, or like I don't even like criticism just sounds like a negative word, but like it shouldn't be. No, like just offering advice or like room for improvement. Again, like I've said, if it's coming from a healthy place, they're not doing it to make you feel some type of way and like just because you do have an area of improvement doesn't take away from all the wonderful and amazing qualities and the exceptional like things that you are really great at like. If anything again goes back to like being in a in a relationship with somebody, like holding up that mirror to that person and like saying like hey, I'm gonna offer you this point of feedback and help you kind of like through this process, I'm not doing that to like hurt my partner or like make him feel less than. In fact, it's the exact opposite. I'm trying to help him become a better person, yeah, and you know, become the best version of himself.
Speaker 1:But in order to do so, like the criticism has to be offered up or the conversation will be hot. Exactly. It keeps you humble too, period. Like that shit keeps you like please humble me absolutely. I want to be humbled, I like and at work too, like my, my company's so great at that. Like we have like weekly meetings with our managers, and everybody at my company is just so open and honest about being open to receiving feedback that, like, when it happens. It's just like a normal day, like it's a normal conversation. Yeah, so it should be. Yeah, and and they do again. Like you don't have to like come in guns a-blazing to somebody and just point out, like all the things that and the things that they're doing wrong, like.
Speaker 1:We also love to use the sandwich method where it's like you give a compliment, you give critique and then you give a compliment again. You know so, like shelby, you did such an amazing job on like writing these blurbs for whatever, like maybe tweak this little part or like get better at this part, but other than that, like, you're doing an amazing job. You know, because then that way, like my, you also like disarm the other person and you you give them a compliment and like again, two things can be true you can be good at a lot of things and still need support in like other areas. So, yeah, you also need to be the person that's offering critique to somebody else. Like, try using the sandwich method at me, that's a great method. I love that. Yeah, it's great, all right, 22. Yes, 22.
Speaker 1:Practice radical acceptance in your life and learn to tell the parts of your story that you'd rather shove under the rug. Oh, I love that. I know I love that one. I could totally work on that. I feel like everybody can in like some degree, yeah, but also, like it is so easy to like shove certain parts of yourself under the rug and like the parts of yourself that you like you're ashamed of, like your shadow self.
Speaker 1:But I think I finally like came to terms with the fact that, like you know, you can radically accept the fact that, like you're not happy with where you're at in your mental state. Like you know, when I was going through like that depressive state, I like had to radically accept the fact that, like I was not okay. Or, you know, if, like you go through like binge eating and like you gain some weight and like you don't feel comfortable or happy like in your skin, like stop denying yourself that truth of the feeling that you're feeling, you know you don't have to like keep running from that fact. It's okay to like look yourself in the mirror and be like I actually don't feel the greatest about my body. It doesn't mean that, like you're talking negatively to yourself. You're just being true and honest and authentic with yourself and like the emotions that you're feeling. You know, once you like radically accept that something's wrong.
Speaker 1:Like that is the first step, literally. He's like the first step to admitting that you have a problem drinking, or the first problem. To what? English hello? The first step to knowing that you, you guys, have a problem. People know that what I'm trying to say, I know what you're trying to say. First step is admitting that you have a problem. Yes, yes, yes, something along those lines. But like you have to like actually come to terms and like radically accept where you're at in life and you know, be true and honest with yourself because if you're not, then like you're never going to make the changes that you need to like move forward and like knowing if you have like trauma and you need to work that like I think of, like having kids and like wanting me to stop the cycle of, like certain childhood trauma. Like knowing that, like being aware of that and wanting to make a change absolutely. And to the part where I said, like learn to tell the parts of your story that you'd rather shove under a rug.
Speaker 1:Like everybody deals with their own things in their own way. Like no two journeys in life are the same, like everybody's is unique, but we go through a lot of similar things, just on like different journeys, or you know, like, yeah, we've gone through a lot of you and I have gone through a lot of similar things, but like we're different people, but being open about talking about the not so glamorous things like help so many other people then feel comfortable and like okay to talk about their struggles and you're relatable and approachable, like I think that's why people feel comfortable to us and like talking to us about certain things, because we're open and we're like a non judgment free zone. Yeah, so I mean, heck, we've tried to start this podcast and keep her going like three times now, but like, literally, we're just so determined to, you know, be here and do this type of work because this is what we love to do and we love sharing the not so glamorous sides of our lives because, like, we wish we had that kind of person, like when we were going through the deepest, darkest like times in our life. And even if you're not going through like some deep dark times, that doesn't mean that, like you, you don't have like areas where, like you want to improve. Yeah, you know, just be radically accepting of like where, like you want to improve. You know, just be radically accepting of, like where you are in your life and just be okay with that and know that you have the power in you to make those changes that you want to period Amazing, and you stopped saying period. Fuck, if I had a dollar for every time I said period or slay in a day, I could retire.
Speaker 1:Number 23 is be intentional with your time. We won't go super into that one again Because we kind of chatted about it, yeah, but and prioritize your time, yeah, because people will be like, oh, I don't have time to move my body or I don't have time to, I don't know, spend time with a friend or a family member. But you have time Time. Have time on TikTok three hours? Hello, let me check your screen time Exactly. Check that through time. Anyways.
Speaker 1:Number 24, focus on getting better, but let go of the end goal. You get better, not perfect. It's so good because, again, like, I think you can lose yourself if you have a destination. But it's not about this is so cliche to say, but it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. Like, just focus on getting one percent better, not getting perfect. Like you will never be a perfect human, like you're never going to do everything right, like I know the people pleasers out there think that they can, but you can't. Like, you're always going to disappoint people and like, unfortunately, that's just like the fact. But like and that was hard for me to come to what am I trying to say? That was hard, yeah, that was hard for me to come to terms with. Yeah, but like, that's just, it's just normal. And as long as you focus on getting better and doing better and putting one foot in front of the other, that that will exponentially, like positively affect your life.
Speaker 1:I feel agreed. But if you're not, like, focusing on getting better, you're never going to get better. You can't have this expectation that you're going to go on this self-growth journey and that all of a sudden, everything's going to be rainbows and butterflies and you're going to know how to tackle every single thing that comes your way and you're never going to get sad and like all these things. That's just not how life goes. But you can do yourself the due diligence to like, learn the tools and learn about resources and ways to handle things that come your way so you can deal with them a lot better than how you used to in the past. Like you get better at handling life, but like life doesn't stop being love. No, exactly.
Speaker 1:I feel like it was really hard for me to comprehend this concept when we were like early twenties. I know we're like only mid twenties right now, but like you really do learn a lot every single year in your 20s, yeah. And then, once I feel like you get to your 30s, it's like, oh, I don't give a shit anymore, yeah, but your 20s are for crashing and burning. No, put that on a t-shirt 10 times a no, like, actually, it was so hard for me to comprehend. Like, oh, just, you know, take it one step at a time. Like I thought that was so cliche. Like, oh, don't worry about the end goal, like you just said. But like, truly, I've never been happier not having to worry about the end goal. Like I've just been taking my days day by day and like letting life happen and like doing the best that I can and I've never been, like more at ease. Yeah, obviously I have my stresses here and there. And like, whatever everybody does, yeah, but like, if you can just let that piece go, you will just become so much more free. Honestly, you're never going to see the end of the forest, but you need to see the next step in front of you and you need to keep placing one foot in front of yourself in order to eventually reach, you know, the destination that you're trying to get to Exactly. Wow, I am so proud of us Same, not only for the fact that, like we found this podcast recorder and made our lives 10 times easier, but just for, like, our resilience and, you know, even though, like, we've gone through starting and stopping this podcast, like multiple times, I think our resilience in finding the solution and getting, you know, picking the mics back up.
Speaker 1:It's not the easiest thing in the world. No, you know, after a year of not doing it, to like restart it again. But I I honestly like feel so different about it this time and I think that, like, we had to go through so many growing pains and we still will, and we want to bring you guys along on that journey but we went through growing pains with, like starting this podcast, like we're doing it from scratch. We don't have like this giant studio that like these influencers and stuff have, but like we still have a story to share. We still have like things that we want to do we want to impact people's lives positively, and like we don't have it all planned out.
Speaker 1:No, no, like the destination of this, like we just are on the journey and we're so glad that you guys are on the journey with us, yeah, taking it day by day, and we appreciate every single one of you that have listened to us and that has stuck by our side, yeah, throughout this journey. I love you guys, but, yeah, we can't wait to give you more content. We're so excited, and more content we do indeed mean because we are going to be bringing um, hopefully, love sister to help us a little bit with continuously providing value on social media, um, and giving you guys snippets of the podcast on there as well, and we're just really excited. Yeah, I think we're going to have it was going to be fun A lot of guests on here. Like actually, like now we can has an input for two more microphones and two more headphones. I cannot wait to start like interviewing more people and like having it be like collaborative. I just cannot wait. We're gonna have the best time. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you guys for listening to this episode. If you want to follow us, um, my instagram is at the dot shalby lanae lives is at live. Worth her um hair. One is at LivedIn Studio. Yes, amazing, so glad I remembered that. And the podcast Instagram is at EvolverRepeat ThePodcast. Give us a follow, baby. Amazing, we'll see you guys next time. Bye.
