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Supernatural Season 2, Episode 12, Nightshifter recap 🤖 A bank robbery turns into a hostage standoff, conspiracy theorist Ronald (Chris Gauthier) is convinced it's a Mandroid, and FBI Agent Victor Henriksen (Charles Malik Whitfield) makes his very first appearance on Denim-wrapped Nightmares, a Supernatural rewatch podcast.
Jewelry stores and banks around Milwaukee, Wisconsin, are being robbed by trusted employees who swear they don't remember a thing. The boys go undercover, Dean in a suit at a jewelry store (the girl behind the counter liked what she saw) and Sam with his hair actually styled, and meet Ronald, a security guard with a very specific theory: the robbers' eyes glow on camera, so obviously they're androids. Close, Ronald. It's a shapeshifter, back for the first time since Skin. But when Ronald takes matters into his own hands, the boys end up locked inside a bank with a room full of hostages, a monster that could be anyone, and the FBI outside.
Episode Highlights:
Ronald and his MANDROID theory (we love him so much)
Sam and Dean in matching security-guy jumpsuits
Ronald accusing the boys of being Men in Black
The manager's office full of gross shed skin
Dean and Ronald becoming buds (more so than Dean and Sam, honestly)
That shot where we realize who the shifter really is
Agent Henriksen, the boys' new FBI shadow
The boys strolling out in stolen SWAT gear to Styx's Renegade (one of Jared's and our favorite music moments!)
In the lore segment, we dig into Pauline Frey's 1973 encounter with a mysterious man in black in Pasadena, California, during a major UFO wave, and whether real-life Men in Black might actually be shapeshifters.
"I like him. He says okey dokey." – Dean Winchester
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Berly:
Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares a Supernatural rewatch Podcast where we explore the TV series, episode by episode.
LA:
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
Berly:
I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.
LA:
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride.
Berly:
ello la. Hello, Burley. We are officially halfway through season two.
LA:
Wow. I didn't realize that.
Berly:
Yeah, we did. There's 22 episodes. And this is episode 12. So I guess we're technically a little more than the end of last episode is when we were really halfway through. But yeah, we're hearing more from listeners. We're getting comments on social media posts, which is fine. People are actually listening to us. That's exciting. Sometimes it feels like we're just getting drunk and talking into the void. True. I do want to ask our listeners that if you'd like to leave a comment, we appreciate them. It's really fun to see and interact with you all. But please leave a review. If you leave a review on a podcast platform like Apple podcasts, or Spotify, and there's some other ones where you can leave a rating or a review. It helps the show get more exposure so that even more people will hopefully come and take a listen. So if you have a few extra minutes at the end of today's episode, rate and review, and thank you and review and thank you I tried to make a cute little poem, but I ran I was it sounded odd. It rhymed, but it didn't really flow. Oh, well. I was cute. Thanks. Things are starting to pick up. Yeah. And they did that in the first season as well. Like the second half of the season is when things were starting to pick up and get more exciting. And we'd have more to talk about and I feel like that's starting to happen in this season as well.
LA:
Yeah, definitely. This episode we're gonna talk about today.
Berly:
I liked it a lot. Me too. As far as our blood splooge count goes so far. We're only at five with only one of them. Yeah, the whole of the whole thing. Oh, yeah. Okay, wow. season one episode one. In the pilot, the woman in white blood splashed all over the car. I guess her victim blood splashed all over the car. And episode 14. Nightmare. When the uncle got decapitated when he laid his head under the window like it was a frickin guillotine. Oh, yeah, it blood splurged everywhere. Episode 16. The what were they called? Davis, the shadow monster thing? Oh, yeah, the movie Ghost. Whenever it ripped the girl's heart out. There was a blood splurge. And then episode 20 When Hank, that lone sexy black vampire who had no lines, he came into the scene and we were both like, Who is this and then he got his head cut off. That was a blood splurge. So all of those were season one, season two and less. We've missed some which is quite possible. We've gotten more than tipsy on a few episodes this season so far. In season two, episode four, when the ex boyfriend was children should play with dead things saw the zombie and the TV and then she got um, he splurged on the television a little bit.
LA:
I think I was thinking of body counts rather than blood. splooge
Berly:
is no official bloodspot wishes.
LA:
I don't like the splooge
Berly:
That's totally what it is, though.
LA:
True, I guess. Splatter I like well, I feel like splatter is better than splooge.
Berly:
But it's like explodes Yeah, it's BlueJ is all right. All right. I just don't think there's a more accurate description for what it is when it happens. Oh well, a debate to be revisited another time because there was not a blood splooge in this episode. There were some other gross things but not blood spillages. Before we get into this episode, quick recap of last episode. playthings. Sam and Dean went to investigate to strange deaths at a small Connecticut in run by a single mom whose young daughter plays with an imaginary friend and has a bunch of fucking creepy dolls all over their private quarters. After digging around snooping around talking with the staff. The brothers find evidence of hoodoo around the end, and soon realized that the little girl's imaginary friend was in fact a demon who was killing the townspeople demon vengeful spirit. This little recap that I'm using from the wiki says Amen. But I think it was a vengeful spirit tied to the doll that they showed at the end. I don't think it was a demon. So
LA:
oh yeah, cuz didn't we talked about like, we think we'll, this may come up later. Yeah,
Berly:
because they like zoomed in on the doll so we know they didn't get rid of it. Rose the grandma sacrificed herself to stay in play with the little girl and that made her happy.
LA:
It was a decent one.
Berly:
I enjoyed it.
LA:
I liked the hoodoo been brought into it.
Berly:
I liked the dramatic rise up from the water with Sam. Oh, yeah, another one saved a little girl. And I loved the little wind c'est moment in the hotel room. Which one? The one where Sam like dramatically reaches up and grabs Dean's face. Yeah. And then dean is like, No, you're too drunk. Go to sleep. Those cute. Sam rolls over and like, puts his spot out.
LA:
I liked when she just automatically assumed they were gay. And Dean was like, Well, why did you think we were anti gay?
Berly:
We're talking about the wrong episode. Are we? That episode was last time. We've already talked about all this stuff. Oh, why? No, it was just so nice. We have to talk about
LA:
and you cut that out? I was just saying.
Berly:
No, I agree with you. I could talk to you about it all over again. Yeah. But what about today's episode?
LA:
So night shifter, we start out in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And it starts out pretty, pretty hot. Pretty fast. We see like this big Bank Tower, all helicopters, police cars everywhere. And obviously it's a some sort of standoff. And we see Dean releasing somebody who appears to be a hostage from the front door and he looks around very startled. Like, whoa. And then it just kind of cuts out. That's like our little tidbit of what's to come. And then it cuts back to one day earlier. I think it was a day earlier. Right?
Berly:
Yes, they've been doing that a lot where they show something and then go six months earlier or earlier.
LA:
Next we see Dean and he's in a nice suit and jacket. And he's chatting with a little lady and we're obviously in a jewelry store. We are all there together.
Berly:
I say yes, we
LA:
are. And he's interviewing her about something. So she he's interviewing this girl and it's cuts back and forth with Sam interviewing the I think the manager guy. And what they find out between the two interviews is that some lady that worked there forever, Helena Elena.
Berly:
I didn't I didn't have it down.
LA:
I put Elena but I was like maybe they said Helena anywho she's dead. She apparently one night when stole a ton of jewelry, and shot the security guard that she's worked with for years. And they were friends only to go stash the jewels somewhere else run home and drop her hair dryer in the tub to kill herself. I mean, she had quite a bit last night, I guess.
Berly:
Big last hurrah. Yeah. Went out with a bang to show yeah, in the jewelry store. Sam's hair was actually styled. He looked real hot. I didn't notice he looked so good. The person Dean was interrogating. Her name was Frannie. And so I wrote down Frannie wants some Fanny.
LA:
Oh my god. I wrote down that jewelry store girl wanted Dean bad. Yeah, she did. What did she say? I mean, if you want to interview me, I wonder where her yeah, here's my number. So yeah, he takes that number. Yeah, he did. It's also they find out that a little bit earlier than this robbery. There was a bank robbery nearby. And they go and find the security guy that worked at the bank that night. And they go to his home. He's a he's a kook and I like they're at the front door and the his bright ass light comes on. Right before he comes out there and he's suspicious he wants to see their IDs. And of course they flashed their FBI ideas and a little bit I liked their little badges hit the glass door and you liked it I remember you were like I like it when they're in think I do. We find out that this guy's name is Ronald Resnick. And he is a bit of a conspiracy theorist. We go into his house and he's got like, it was almost reminded me of when they found their dad's motel room. Yes. With things all over the wall and the strings attaching everything. That's what Rommels house looks like.
Berly:
Except it was a UFOs and Bigfoot and things like that.
LA:
Right? And he's hyped up he's hyperactive he's he's telling the guys that his friend Juan was the one that robbed the bank, but and he's the one that let them in because after hours, sometimes him and Juan would sit down there and play cards. Good job security. I'm really, really working hard on the job.
Berly:
Well, he was the night guard though, right? Oh, I mean, come on. It had to get boring every once in a while.
LA:
Well, I guess we've maybe sitting there in front of all the cameras. Yeah, I mean what else you got to do? Probably be walking around a bit. But anyway, who am I to judge I used to watch TV at work to Ron's got this theory that the one that he led in that night was not his one. It was not his one. He's convinced he was too perfect. He shows them the security footage. And right when he won turns a certain way his eyes glow light up. Ron calls them his laser eyes, but we know them as from the shapeshifter that we met before that beat the crap out of Dean and took over his body. He's got those same there's like a bluish eyes. I think I remember from that episode.
Berly:
Yeah, they reflect in the camera they reflect oddly, where it looks like a light is shining in them where there isn't any light. And Ronald, I'm going to take it one step further. His conspiracy theory with the laser eyes was that it was a Mandroid right? Yeah, Android that could taint change at skin Dean said like T to Terminator and Ronald was very excited that Dean got it. He understood. Yeah.
LA:
Teachers the best by the way. It is. They get to talking. Well, they Sam tricks Ronald into saying that they need to take all of his tapes and make copies for them. And Sam, Sam tells him before they leave that, whatever you're thinking with this Mandroid stuffs not right. You know, get it out of your head. It's just regular people. And Dean Dean seemed a little like, oh, like he I think he was expecting him to tell him the truth. Because he's one of their He's like one of their people.
Berly:
Ya know? Like he was so close to being right. He was so close to being right.
LA:
But Sam, I think Sam said he just wanted to save him from getting involved further and he's not like them. He doesn't know what he's up against. So I mean, I get it.
Berly:
Yeah. Cuz that Shapeshifter back in skin in season one. He was scary.
LA:
Yeah. Well, he beat the hell out of Dean. Yeah, I remember him flying around the room throwing them around. Mm hmm.
Berly:
They were trying to save Sam was trying to save Ronald from himself. He was too close. Yeah, definitely. And he was obviously super into it as well, when he was explaining the Mandroid. And everything. He was incredibly excited about. Oh,
LA:
no, he was like I said he was hyped up. Love him. loved
Berly:
him.
LA:
Oh, oh, don't say that. Oh, well. Ronald is on his rant. He does mention something about there. They must be hiding somewhere. They must be like out in one of the buildings or in the sewer system, which we know is exactly where they were the last time Dean kind of gets the map of that area and connects where all these robberies happen. And it's basically in the same area. Oh, Dean discover. There's one bank in the area that hasn't been hit. So they think that's that's where it's going to happen next. I just clicked. I'm a mess.
Berly:
You're fine. It was connected to the main sewer line. I remember. Remember he got the map out and was doing the Sharpie writing and jewelry store bank.
LA:
So yeah, same area and along the same sewer line. Yeah, they go to that bank. Then they're in these little they're secure service jumper suits looking cute again. He goes out of the hallways, and they request to go see the security photo or the security cameras and they're gonna work on those. And Diem so kindly start, sir. Like what he's easy. He's zooms in on some ladies, but because he's so bored with it.
Berly:
The notes I wrote down was security check became asked check. I liked it wasn't that great of an ass? It really wasn't. No offense to the actress. You couldn't even really just tell because she was in just a black pencil skirt. Right?
LA:
And it was like kind of grainy black and white footage. Yeah. As they're out watching out. They see our old boy Ronald, out at the front door. He's locked in the police up. Ronald has lost his shit.
Berly:
He's figured out the same thing they did. This was going to be the next hit
LA:
after locking the doors so nobody can get out. And he brings in a huge ass gun like a miss. I mean, it must be like an assault rifle or something. I don't know, buttons, but he's not messing around. And Dean and Sam go out there. reveal themselves and he's like, Wait a minute. You too.
Berly:
I knew you weren't FBI. Right.
LA:
Sam's like trying to talk to him. And he was like, No, not you know, like you had right before that Dean was like, let me talk to him. I don't think he liked. Yeah,
Berly:
it was really funny.
LA:
So Dean was definitely right. He did not want anything to do with Sam. Dean takes upon himself to kind of try and calm down, Ronald. I mean, he's not having it. He asked somebody to pat them down. And the guy finds a knife in And St are Diems boot
Berly:
his silver blade because they figured out it was a shapeshifter based off of the information that Ronald had provided them.
LA:
Sam looks at it I'm like what the fuck dude? Dean's like what I wasn't gonna come in here Make A Wish You Had they throw so they throw the the silver blade and like a deposit box or something he's not getting that thing back. But sucks because that's what he really needed to kill this a shapeshifter.
Berly:
I thought it was hilarious that Ronald was accusing Sam and Dean of being men and black. And who are you? I knew you weren't FBI. And then dean, very kindly let's Ronald, though you were right. Sam and Dean had figured out it was the bank manager and Dean did tell Ronald that it's the bank manager. We've got to find out before he has a chance to shift again. But Ronald threw Sam in the vault with everybody else, because he just wanted to work with Dean.
LA:
And then there was a one lady Sherry, after Dean shut the vault. She's like, Who is that guy? And Sam tells her it's his brother. And she's like, he's so brave. Okay, lady, and then later on, she's like, So tell me more about your brother asking all about him. Like, Jesus, lady. Keep it in your pants. You're in the middle of hostage situation.
Berly:
Or learn to spot the opportunity. You're locked in a vault with Sam Winchester. Yeah,
LA:
yeah. Hello. Talking about the wrong tree. There.
Berly:
One's literally right there and you're talking to him?
LA:
Hold on to me, baby.
Berly:
Huh? keep me safe.
LA:
Yeah. So I think Dean ends up telling Ronald like, he's he's right, but it's not a Mandroid
Berly:
it's shapeshifter. Well, because Ronald slips, remember?
LA:
Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. He takes d in there. They started looking around for the person.
Berly:
This was your favorite part of the episode LA.
LA:
Ronald, with his big old gun slips in the manager's office while they're looking for him. And he's falls into like gross goo skin from the shapeshifter. So gross. And he like, gets himself up, touch grabs a chunk of the QE skin and smells it and he's like, excited that he's like, Oh, it's so real in life. Like,
Berly:
no gloves. Yeah, no,
LA:
it's gross. But he's there. I was just like, Oh, God, how can you be that stoked about that right there? And I can't imagine it smells good.
Berly:
And that's why Dean told him it's a shapeshifter. it oughta Mandroid.
LA:
Right. I think Dean splits up with Ronald and he goes looking for, since we know now it's not the manager anymore, it's got to be somebody else that's there. And he finds in the ceiling. He's kind of poking at one of those ceilings where you can move the little board like squares, or whatever. And one of the bank workers falls out naked. And he's actually the guy that we see back in the vault where the older security gentleman is struggling. I mean, it's either a heart attack or a panic attack. They've cut the power in the bank, so there's no airflow in that vault.
Berly:
I did think it was hilarious when they found more people, Dean and Ronald, they took them back to the vault. And now Dean has a gun and is ushering people into the vault. And Sherry looks at Sam and is so confused. She has some why, why is he helping him now? And then dean looks at Sam and says, Hey, we need to talk to you. You come out here. Sounds just like peace. And he comes walking out to go and help Dean and Ronald, figure out who's the shifter now because they know it's not the bank manager anymore.
LA:
That's when Dean goes and find the guy in the ceiling. Dean's dealing with whether to take this guy out to the cops and release him or what to do. And this guy that's helping them is very adamant that this guy needs to get out. You know, we need to we need to get them out of here. Well, that's the guy that Dean found in the ceiling. So he's a shifter.
Berly:
He was sexing.
LA:
Mm hmm. And Sam Sam's like once Dean tells him Sam takes the guy. The other gentleman and the guy's like, oh, no, I got them. And Sam's like, no, no, no, I got him. Yeah. Oh, I didn't like that. When Dean Dean tells Sam about finding the shifter or the who the shifter is. He tells me slipped his skin.
Berly:
Yeah, you really didn't like
LA:
the way that's because it totally looked like that in the office. When when Ronald's like slipped and fell into it. It's like, oh, he really flipped his skin. Dean tries to get the shifter back into the vault, or does he tell him to come with him?
Berly:
Can't remember, though they tell him they tell him to stay? Oh, that's right. He
LA:
does want to go back in the vault. Yeah, he's
Berly:
trying. He's trying to come out and then they have told Ronald to stay out of the light. But Ronald messes up
LA:
and the shifter knocks Dean down and yeah away. But yeah, it was really sad. Poor Ronald.
Berly:
We were not ready to lose him that early in the episode. No, and he was such a hoot. I liked I was certain he was going to survive, but I thought he was going to be around longer than that. Rest in peace Ronald's
LA:
Yeah, you're you're good people. Dean is the one that releases a heart attack guy out the out of the front door, which is what we saw in the beginning. And he runs back in is like, We're so screwed. Then this guy shows up out of nowhere. We had the what did you call the one? Wish catalog molder? Yes, we had him in charge of the outside SWAT team at first. But now this guy swoops in Detective Henderson. Hendrickson Victor Henrickson. Oh Huh, he is no bullshit just walks in tells. What do you tell the guy? I don't care what you do you go get a doughnut and
Berly:
fuck your wife.
LA:
Did he say hit me? It's a five year well, he
Berly:
didn't say fuck your wife. Yeah, he's a banger wife. Yeah, he said The CW version of I don't care if you go home and fuck your wife.
LA:
Somehow this guy knows all about samedi.
Berly:
We totally thought he was a hunter at first. Yeah, because he was telling which catalog molder that you don't know what's going on in there. There's a monster in there. You don't even know what you're dealing with. Right? And we thought holy shit is this FBI guy, a hunter. But it turns out, he's been hunting the Winchesters he knows all about Sam Dean and John.
LA:
Right. And what did you say about him thinking there was a monster in there.
Berly:
You're gonna make me repeat that. Oh, man. I said Is he talking about the shapeshifter or Sam's penis? Oh my god. But he was talking about Dean's specifically because he's on
LA:
the phone with Dean. And I think he's like He's insulting. Talking about how he never could figure out what what their daddy was. He was what an ex marine and taking these kids out raising them like soldiers and blah, blah, blah. Of course Dean's like, you shouldn't be talking about my dad that way. He didn't like it.
Berly:
No, he said, dad's a hero to daddy's boy.
LA:
And I think Hendrickson gives them like however much time and he's like you either come out or we're coming in. And so the guys have to move quick. The shifter they don't know who it is. Now they find that he's slipped his skin again. They actually end up finding that Sherry who was desperate for Dean in the vault in a closet, so they think it's her so they go get her out of the vault. Bring her into the office where the body is. And she's flipping out at seeing her own body. And they're like, What is this? Like? What is your MO here? Like? We know what you are? Yeah, but she passed out. Yeah, she faints. And they're like, what is what is this game? What is the gain here? Like, why would this shifter be doing this? So Dean goes take those take a closer look at the shifter? No. At the dead body. Yeah. And it's still alive. So it is the shifter but in Sherry's body.
Berly:
Sherry is the shifter but it's the dead Sherry not the sherry that was in the fall. Right? Right. Okay, it tried to make itself look like a dead body so that they'd go kill Sherry and it would hopefully be able to get away was its plan, right? As far as cinematography goes, they do this shot, kind of from overhead, where Dean is squatted over the body and trying to see what's going on, realizes that the body is still breathing and it's got this slit across its throat. And he's looking over at the real Sherry confused and you see the dead body shape shift or Sherry start moving. The dead body was out of focus. Dean was in focus. I liked that shot. It was really cool. I appreciated that shot a lot. I definitely screamed like oh my god. Yeah, that was a twist. I did not see coming. I called it that Sherry was going to be the shapeshifter at some point. Because they just kept putting importance on her role. Yeah, so I thought she's gonna be the shifter at one point for sure. But I did not see this twist coming. Yeah, I enjoyed that a lot.
LA:
And she chokeholds takes Dean by the neck. Once again. He gets me by that shifter. And as she gets away we see that fit the SWAT team rolling in. Sam and Dean split up to go find this dead sherry. Dean finds her and they have a smackdown fight. And he eventually he does end up stabbing her right in the chest and takes her down and Her skin's already starting to slough off on her arm. And he like touches her obviously. I mean these the SWAT team is like right in on them. They got the real Sheree out there looking for the guys and they open a closet and find two of their SWAT members stripped handcuffed and knocked out. And then we see the guys in the parking lot in full SWAT gear, getting into the Impala. And it ends like they both get in the car. You can tell they're just like over it. And Dean like it ends with Dean saying again like We're so screwed. I looked up something like the TV on IMDb. And Jared said that this was one of his favorite favorite like music scenes with that song, the renegade song coming in at the end, when they're when they're leaving in the SWAT gear and then like, as they take off, it really gets into the song, but he liked how it started out. I just clicked again. But he said that was like it was his favorite like scenes with how the music went with it.
Berly:
The ending and everything. Yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed this one. Yeah. It was fun a lot. There's a lot going on. Yeah, that twist. Like I said, I did not see that twist coming at all. Yeah, when when they first found Sherry's body. I was like I told you, I knew it. Whatever. I knew what I called it. And then the next scenes happened. Oh, I did not call it quite
LA:
well. Yeah. I mean, who was going to expect that to happen? I thought they had to like, shift shift. Like, I don't I still don't really understand how that happened.
Berly:
How they slipped their skin.
LA:
Yeah. Rose.
Berly:
I did like the shot when Dean and Sam were split up. Dean went after the shipper. And Sam was trying to make a break for it, that it showed the SWAT team corner, Sam, and not about that. Yeah, Sam put his hands up, stopped and put his hands up and then they cut away to show what Dean was doing. So we didn't see what happened was Sam. I like it when they're in sync. Oh my god. You know, like they both did the same thing. Regardless, Sam kicked those two guys asses. And then dean went and found him and I don't know if he had to help them or what? I would have liked to have seen that. But I liked that they left it open because then at the end whenever we didn't know what happened to Sam and Dean, we didn't know where they were what was going on. Until we saw the bodies in the closet and Henriksen was like law. Fuck me.
LA:
Yeah. Well, I just I'm just saying just would have been hot to see Sam take them down. Oh, well, yes. You know, that's all I'm saying. Well, that is nightshift.
Berly:
What was the thing you adore the most about this episode?
LA:
adore? I think it was I thought it was really cute. Ronald and Dean how they kind of they ended up being buds more so than Dean and Sam. In this episode. I thought that was kind of cute.
Berly:
I adored Ronald. Yeah, he was taken out too quickly in my three.
LA:
I also liked their little security jumpers.
Berly:
I did too. I liked the costumes. I liked the suits. I liked Sam's hairstyle in the beginning. I always like how they look though. So that's kind of repetitive.
LA:
It's a given.
Berly:
i My favorite thing I think was that shot, where we realize that dead Sherry is the shifter that was really cool. I was I was not expecting that twist. I think I adored that the most. And then obviously, the glorious thing to me was not just the shapeshifter skin, but Ronald using his bare hand to pick it up and okay, it's not technically gory. I get it, but it made me
LA:
go rogue. Well, yeah, just the idea of if that was real and that He and the fact that he's so excited about it too. Like I think that's what got me I was like really guy. Oh.
Berly:
So we've talked about the we've explored the episode we gotten to the adore the gore time for the lore. Now you already discussed shapeshifters back in season one's skin when Sam was tight up. But I happened to find a firsthand account of a run in with a shape shifter Oh, and this testimony, so we'll call it a testimony. They also talk about men and black. And since Ronald accused Sam and Dean of being men in black, I thought this was perfect for this episode. Okay. According to journal news.com Pauline Frey was interviewed in 2013. She had a very strange encounter with a man in black back in October 1973. She was living in Pasadena, California. It's notable and probably relevant to reveal that a major UFO wave was going on at that time, and all across the United States. While hiking in the California Hills one Sunday morning, Pauline encountered a classic silver colored flying saucer style UFO, which at first at least, was high in the sky. Suddenly it dropped to around 50 or 60 feet above her hanging there in an odd wobbling fashion. Amaze Pauline could would only stare at the silent craft as a bobbed around like a boat on churning waters. Then it shot away at high speed. Pauline raised home and excitedly told her family about what had just taken place. They apparently weren't the only ones who knew what had occurred on the fateful morning in 1973, because three days later, after sunset, Pauline had a visitor, not a welcome one, as it was a man in black, a skinny, almost emancipated man dressed in a shabby black suit, looking pale and ill and wearing an old 1950s style fedora hat. Pauline said that she felt her mind was briefly enslaved as the man in black nearly hypnotically asked her to invite him into her home. So I guess it's like a vampire. He had to be invited in first. In a slight daze, and to her eternal cost, she did exactly that. She retreated to the couch stumbling slightly and feeling ice cold. The man followed her and stood in the living room looming over her as he warned her in no uncertain terms, never to discuss her close encounter again. The man and black then turned around and headed to the door. At the exact same moment, Pauline felt her mental faculties returned to normal, and she raced after him, just as he exited the door and closed it behind him. Pauline through the door open only to find that the man in black was gone. In his place, however, was something else. It was a large black dog with bright red eyes. It snapped and snarled, and Pauline's direction, and in what was clearly a deeply benevolent, dangerous fashion, she stared in horror as the glowing eyed monster prowl around the yard, clearly intent on adding to the benevolent atmosphere that it was already firmly in place. Suddenly, and as if out of nowhere, a large black Cadillac that looked decades old and design appeared and screech to a halt outside of Pauline's home. It should be noted that the men and black almost always drives such cars. You need to know that all right, Pauline watched shocked and scared as the back door of the driver's side opened, and the fiendish black hound bounded across the front yard and leaped into the back of the Cadillac, which shot away at high speed. Today, Pauline, now a grandmother and someone who is fairly comfortable about sharing her bizarre experience. She has a firm opinion that the aged men and black and red eyed beast were one and the same, a dangerous shapeshifter.
LA:
I feel like I read something similar about some guy that showed up somewhere that something had happened and he like didn't look well, and he kept asking for water. And I can't remember what happened. But like he disappeared too. But he was like there to investigate something.
Berly:
did he disappear? Or did he change into a black dog with red eyes and the person just didn't connect the two things you don't remember that part? You know, who would have connected the two things? Ronald? Probably he would have.
LA:
He was so onpoint almost
Berly:
so close, but so far away. Anyway, without being repetitive. That's the lore that I have on shapeshifters.
LA:
Pretty cool. Was their name?
Berly:
Pauline? Pauline? Okay, her first name. Full name up here somewhere. Here is Pauline Frey.
LA:
All right, Pauline Frey. She had quite an experience.
Berly:
She did. Oh, obviously, it was memorable if it happened in 1973. And she recounted all of this in an interview in 2013. She's gonna get a memory, right. I don't remember what happened four days. Yeah, no.
LA:
So should we close it out with a quote? Yes, ma'am. All right. So when they get to the bank dressed as the security it guys and their jumpers? Yes. The guy shows them into the surveillance room. And Dean says, I like him. He says Okey dokey. Oh,
Berly:
I like okie dokie.
LA:
I do too. I said all the time.
Berly:
Sure. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
LA:
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