Supernatural: Jus in Bello (3x12) | Recap & Lore

Supernatural Season 3, Episode 12, Jus in Bello recap 😈 Agent Henriksen finally has the Winchesters in handcuffs, and then an army of demons lays siege to a small-town sheriff's station in Monument, Colorado, on Denim-wrapped Nightmares, a Supernatural rewatch podcast. (The title is Latin for justice in war: the rules of how a war is fought. Fitting.)

Sam and Dean get arrested in a bank, and who strolls in for the takedown? Agent Victor Henriksen (Charles Malik Whitfield), who's been chasing them since Nightshifter. While he's busy arranging their transfer, the lights go out, the phones go dead, and possessed townspeople surround the station. Now the FBI, the local cops, and a sweet, devout secretary named Nancy (Aimee Garcia) have to trust the two most wanted men in America to get them out alive.

Episode Highlights:

• Henriksen's "Hannibal and his half-wit little brother" line (Sam went to Stanford, sir)
• Sam sitting up when Henriksen goes too far. You rewound it multiple times
• Nancy, the rosary-wearing secretary, being terrified of Sam's puppy-dog eyes
• Dean's "but you didn't shoot the deputy"
• Ruby's very dark plan, and the very high price tag
• Nancy's choice (kudos to her)
• Sam performing an exorcism from memory for the first time
• The PA-system exorcism (genius)
• The demons bursting into flames, something the show never did before (or apparently after)
• A little girl looking for two brothers, and the scariest white eyes we've ever seen

In the lore segment, we dig into Lilith: from Sumerian succubus to Adam's first wife in the Alphabet of Ben Sira, the three angels sent to bring her back, the amulets meant to protect newborns from her, and how she became a feminist icon (hello, Lilith magazine and Lilith Fair).

"I've got a lot to celebrate seeing you two and chains." – Agent Henriksen

"You kinky son of a bitch. We don't swing that way." – Dean Winchester

Your turn, hunters: Would YOU have taken Ruby's deal? And how did that ending leave you? Tell us in the Spotify comments, leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts (it's how new hunters find us), or send us fan mail. Bonus points for fandom fun facts we missed.

Sources:

• https://supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Jus_In_Bello
• https://www.icrc.org/en/law-and-policy/jus-ad-bellum-and-jus-bello
• https://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Power/lilith.htm
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith
• https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/lilith/
• https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/lilith

Transcript

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Berly: 0:01

Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares a Supernatural rewatch Podcast where we explore the TV series episode by episode.

LA: 0:10

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

Berly: 0:17

I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.

LA: 0:20

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Hello Burley. While the last episode we spoke about was Mystery Spot. If anybody's seen Groundhog Day, it was like that. Sam was reliving the same day over and over again. He would restart his day when Dean died. And of course, that's devastating to him. We ended up finding out it was the Trickster doing this to Sam so that he could realize he's never gonna be able to save Diem, and that this whole sacrificing each other nonsense needs to stop. But in the end, the Trickster brought Dean back. And Sam last, what, six months without Dean and didn't tell him, but we got him back. That's it.

Berly: 1:09

Today's episode is called jus in bello, which is apparently international humanitarian law is the law that governs the way in which warfare is conducted. I L. L. Li i h L is purely humanitarian, seeking to limit the suffering caused. It's also the 12th episode of season three of supernatural. And it premiered on February 21 2008. So we open up was Sam and Dean going into this really nice hotel room. They're looking around. They're going through drawers, and LA and I figured out pretty quickly Oh, this is them trying to find Bella because it's too nice of a hotel room. They've got their guns drawn, and it says that they are in Monument Colorado. I will say this. Whenever Sam finally questioned something about Are you sure this is Bella's room, Dean opened a drawer and pulled out some wigs? And Ellie and I immediately said Bella would have better wigs than that.

LA: 2:13

Yeah, well, and I don't think she would just throw them in a drawer like that. So Right.

Berly: 2:19

And she didn't give a fuck about them. She just left them. Right. So maybe she purposely left some shitty wigs behind it be like haha, yeah, you missed me. While they're going through the room trying to find the cold. The phone rings. Dean answers it. And it's Bella to be like, I'm like two states away. And Mommy did her homework. Turns out she called on a tip to the FBI. About the location of the Winchesters as Dean is on the phone talking to Bella the door gets kicked in. All these cops come in. And then we see one gentleman all the cops have on like khaki, khaki pants khaki, khaki, khaki. And then we see dark pants come strolling in. And sure enough, that ain't no local monument Colorado cop who its agent Henrickson there for the takedown, and he's got a beard now. So he means business, right. And then we get the supernatural Hinrichsen takes them to the local small town sheriff station. While we see them getting transferred. We're getting this voice over and Henriksen talking about how they're the most dangerous guys don't judge a book by their cover. They're evil. They're terrible. And the Secretary in the station is very religious with her Rosary and her cross necklace and her virgin Mary statue. And she's just like, oh, whenever they come walking in.

LA: 3:53

Do you have the Hannibal thing is our? Oh, yeah.

Berly: 3:56

He said, he said that. They aren't innocent. Think of them more as Hannibal and his half wit little brother was just like, he's calling Sammy a half wit. Yeah. He went to Stanford.

LA: 4:10

Well, and he's just so over the top about them like the the worst criminals that you've ever seen in here. It's like really? So aggressive. Come on.

Berly: 4:19

He's theatrical yet too much. I mean, he's just, he's just really into this. He's really, really excited that he's caught them. Oh, yeah. So once he gets them in the sheriff station, he phones and to headquarters and talks to FBI deputy director Steven groves, who is very excited that Hinrichsen has finally caught these guys. They have been a top priority and don't let them get away. I'm going to send a chopper. Don't put them on a bus and bring them in. I'm sending a chopper. So Hendrickson lets the sheriff's station know a chopper is coming and they're like we don't have a fucking helicopter pad. What are you talking about Santa Roxanne's, like, clear the parking lot then being very dramatic again. Because that's his gig. That's how he has fun. Mo. Yeah, he enjoys making a scene. In the meantime, Sam and Dean have been placed into the holding cell, which by the way, Henriksen completely cleared out earlier of the one prisoner who was still in there. A drunken disorderly there were multiple cells but that one drunken disorderly he had to go because the Winchesters were coming back they're gonna make way for the most dangerous

LA: 5:36

criminals coming.

Berly: 5:39

So in Brixton is talking to Dean they're doing their normal whose dick is bigger banter and whatnot. He's taunting them that they're going to be going to a maximum security prison and they're going to be kept there like the rest of their lives. And just drama, drama drama is unfolding here. Meanwhile, groves, the FBI director guy shows up with the helicopter, and he's just acting really shady. Like we kind of knew right away something was off with this guy. He was really insistent that Henrickson fill out all this paperwork right then and there in the middle of the sheriff's station, while he continued to book it straight back to where Sam and Dean were, and he shut the door behind him like put the handle thing down, pulled out a gun eyes go black and he immediately just start shooting away. Yeah, with a silencer on and everything. Yeah, he wasn't fucking around. He got a shot in Dean shoulder before Sam got a hold of his gun and prevented him from doing any further damage even though he was firing off stuff. And then our Sammy Smarty sassy pants, totally extra size the demon straight off the top of his head. He didn't have a book or anything. He just went into it right away and exercise the demon out of the FBI director guy.

LA: 7:00

What a half wit, you know,

Berly: 7:01

right? Somebody was fucking under estimating Sam Winchester show the agent groves guys like and then he like screams like raw, like Scream vomits out the black smoke into the ceiling like the demon totally bailed, just like jumped ship because Sammy knew that shit off the top of his head. His body falls to the floor. And of course, the sheriff's and Hendriksen all come in there and are freaking out because Sam is now holding his gun. They're like, Oh my god, he shot groves and Sammy hands over the gun and tells them check the body. I didn't shoot anybody. The one of the sheriff guys is like, there's no bullet wound, he's fine. And hangar six, like what the fuck is going on? And they tell him the truth. They're like he was possessed. And Hendrickson is totally just thinking they're still crazy at this point. Not believing them at all. They don't even give Dean medical care. They're just like, Yeah, you

LA: 8:03

like no one cares that he was shot.

Berly: 8:04

No, nobody gives a shit sports car was like I think it was using like toilet paper or something. Yeah, trying to keep the blood from spilling out everywhere trying to take care of Dean as best he could with frickin toilet paper from their cell. In the meantime, one of the other FBI agents who had arrived with Agent groves steps outside to see what's going on because he was trying to radio the other officers and it was just static. He steps outside and there's bodies laying everywhere like throats slashed open, people are fucked up. And he's looking around going what is happening when one of the bodies with the slash throats like gets up and it's like, wow, I'm a demon. And then the helicopter explodes. Poor there was a random body inside the hell I assume it was the pilot. Oh, really? There was somebody sitting there when they showed it like burning. Oh, no. Yeah. I don't know who blew up the chopper. But the chopper done got fucked. Back inside. Everybody is freaking out. Hinrichsen is sitting in the middle of the sheriff's station. He's just like, got his hand on his chin. Like the emoji that like means you're thinking, you know, I first was thinking, Oh my god. He's realizing that Sam and Dean are telling the truth. But no, that's not what was happening at all. That would have been too easy. I gave in Rickson too much credit. I was like he's realizing they're right. No, he thinks that Sam and Dean have some crazy friends who are laying siege to the sheriff station to try and bust them out of jail. Henriksen goes to the back and is asking the guys Oh, yeah, this is what's happening. All the communications are down. I think that the Secretary Her name was Nancy, the one who had the Rosary and the Christian costs and all that. She's saying like even the internet is down even my cell phone is down. I don't understand what is happening. And so all the sheriff's and everybody are freaking out. Meanwhile, Sam is still trying to patch up beans. Dean's bullet wound and happens to see Nancy peeking around the corner watching them after Henrickson comes back there. It'd be like probably all your friends are trying to get your bla bla bla. And he puts on the puppy dog guys tells Nancy, we just need a clean towel, please help us. So she does and gets a clean towel and brings it to them. And as she's putting it through the bars, he like grabs her hand and pulls her toward the bars. And we were both screaming, we were like, what is happening? Why is Sam doing that? But he got the towel from her as well as her rosary. And he are Sammy smarty pants, uses the rosary to bless the water in the toilet and make some holy water. Whoa. Holy water so they have a weapon in their cell. And he uses the towel to further patch up Dean, of course for Nancy is terrified of them even more now. Go screaming and running away like she's so scared. Bless her heart. In the meantime, one of the guys in the sheriff's department I think is the actual sheriff. Yeah, finally comes over and unlocks the cell and starts unlocking Sam and Dean's handcuffs and ankle cuffs because, yes, they are still completely cuffed together in their cell for some reason they love them cuffed

LA: 11:33

they're so dangerous. They're just so scary.

Berly: 11:37

He's like, I'm trying to save my own ass. I don't know what's going on. But I'm gonna let y'all go because this is fucking nuts. Hendrickson comes walking in and she's like, What are you doing? And the sheriff explains I'm letting them go. Because I would like to live. And this This shit ain't worth it. And Hinrichsen raises his gun and shoots the sheriff in the head. Turns out that the demon who jumped ship bailed out whenever Sam was trying to exercise him earlier from the other FBI agent went and possessed Hinrichsen. So Hinrichsen is possessed at this point. But because our Sammy Smarty smash Tampakan ik smarty pants, did the whole holy water thing, he grabs Hinrichsen head figures out what's going on immediately dunks his head in the toilet and starts exercising the demon again. It takes a few tries, but they do get the demon out of Hendrickson. So Hinrichsen is still alive. And whenever he comes to when I was talking to them, he remembers everything. He says I shot the sheriff and Dane goes, but you didn't shoot the deputy.

LA: 12:47

I love you. Oh my god, Dean, come on. No, not the right time replay.

Berly: 12:55

Hinrichsen did not laugh

LA: 12:56

You know, nobody did but me.

Berly: 13:00

So Hinrichsen just had his whole world blown open because he was straight up possessed. He wasn't in control of his own body. But just like we found out from Meg back in season one or whatever. He still remembered everything. What the demon did in his body whenever he wasn't in control. So he's kind of like, oh, fuck, this shit is real. So the epiphany I thought he was having earlier he's literally having now he looks at Sam and Dan is just like, what do we do? Like what do we do to survive the night? So now they're finally all on the same team. Everybody in the sheriff's office, everybody in the FBI who's still alive. And Sam and Dean Winchester, so they get all these big salt bags. I was like, where did they get all this salt but la pointed out that they're in Colorado, and that the sheriff's station would likely have a shitload of salt on hand

LA: 13:55

out of salt those parking lots sidewalks and streets.

Berly: 13:59

Yeah, so they're like making more rock salt bullets for the guns. There's lot salt. Yeah, they're like spool on what is it? What am I thinking of Rambo? The holster the thing

LA: 14:12

that goes like a guitar strap. Almost like a sash. Yeah, but it's filled with bullets. Yeah,

Berly: 14:17

they're filling those up, left and right. I don't know where they got those from. Oh, yeah, Dean had gone out to the Impala and restocked once they were all on the same team. And he saw the cloud of demons coming from for them, which we haven't seen since the season premiere and Magnificent Seven, where it was this big of a demon cloud with like purple lightning and all this other stuff going on. So danzas fluc and gets everything and runs inside. So they're filling up their Rambo sashes with the rock salt bullets. They've salted all the entries. They're putting Devil's traps at the big entrances that people can get into so that if somehow somebody crosses this Salt line they're gonna get stuck in the double trap there. They're locking the place down. They're fucking prepared. Yeah. And they're all working together as well. Also, Nancy is patching up Dean's bullet wound at one point

LA: 15:14

thank God to somebody else's helping the poor boy.

Berly: 15:17

Wait a minute you were pissed off because it was just his sleeves pushed up.

LA: 15:21

I'm sorry. If that had been a female actress, do you think that they would have just pushed up her little short sleeve to get to the wound?

Berly: 15:31

It's just like last episode, we're Sam cut the shirt up to his nipple rather than taking it off in his hotel room by himself. Exactly. He didn't take his shirt off. With scissors.

LA: 15:43

I'm gonna take the whole thing off. I'll just cut into my shirt.

Berly: 15:45

Yeah. And now Dean. He can't take his shirt off to get patched up. The sleeve is just rolled up

LA: 15:51

shoved to his neck anyway, yeah, shoved all the way up to his neck for some reason to bandage it up. I'm like, come on.

Berly: 15:58

But on the plus side, we did get the return now of the overly bloody gauze, I guess because he was patched up with gauze. And there was the big red stain on the gauze to let us know he was bleeding.

LA: 16:14

True. But still, I would have liked the shirt off better,

Berly: 16:17

right? Like we were just saying we missed the bloody gauze on a recent episode. And now we got the bloody gauze back but at what cost?

LA: 16:25

Yeah. And that's my question. What caught my question where the boys like I just don't want to be objectified. I want to be taken seriously or something like that. Because any other show. Those shirts would be off in those moments. And especially if it was a female.

Berly: 16:38

I mean, Sammy did a nip slip last episode.

LA: 16:41

I did. But that wasn't even an I was still not. I wasn't happy with if you're gonna cut the shirt,

Berly: 16:47

I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy with last week's either. We didn't know the full body shot of the tricks or not one. We got bloody close ups of the amber eyes and mouth and all that stuff. Where was the booty? Where was the booty? That's why I'm saying who's running the show? Who was running this stuff. You need to give the people what they want. Give us the Trickster ass give us the topless Winchesters.

LA: 17:09

Of course this is in the past, but so many times so many missed many things. Well, I wonder like, you've mentioned that if they were to come back, you'd want it to be like on HBO. I would say that they could cuss and then if they if that's the case, then I better see some more

Berly: 17:26

scan nudity. I want some. Yeah. Where was I?

LA: 17:32

Know we were Oh, we were at the place. Yeah.

Berly: 17:38

Yeah. Dean's daughter getting patched up by Nancy. They've knocked the place down. They're all working as a team now they've like cleaned out the Impala. All of this. They're all inside. They're all friends are all on the same team. Yes. Dean has passed out protective charms that will prevent the others from being possessed.

LA: 17:55

I'd like to know what those terms were. Yeah, it's like you don't get to see them. Yeah, and they look I mean, they're cute little nice little rope and then tiny little charm. I'd like to know what they were. Yeah, they will go. We should have Googled it.

Berly: 18:05

Maybe we'll find it. Maybe it'll be important later.

LA: 18:08

Yeah. Well, whatever it is. It definitely has that symbol on that their tattoo. Because yeah,

Berly: 18:13

I was about to say that they didn't need charms because they reveal that they had the tattoo. So they didn't need charms themselves. They're already protected. Which I imagine they must have gotten those tattoos after Meg possessed Sam. Back in season two.

LA: 18:30

Yeah. That would have been a good scene to have a shirt off to right. Show me getting getting them getting

Berly: 18:36

where were they getting the tattoos? Yeah. Where else do they have the tattoos? And

LA: 18:39

like, like, they pulled those little shirts over. It's like, you could have pulled that over a little more.

Berly: 18:43

could just say, Oh, stop. We're getting we're getting fixated. I need to stop. Alright, you and me. Both you and me. But I still have trickster on the brain. And he's not even in this fucking right. I

LA: 18:55

know, folks. So

Berly: 18:56

we're good. We're good. I'm focused on focus focused. So they're all protected from getting possessed again, we see one of the sheriff guys go over to a window, and it's all condensation steamed up, whatever you want to call it. And he's wiping the window trying to see what's going on outside. And we think he just accidentally broke the assault line. We don't think he did it on purpose. Yeah, a little bit of a debate there. Where did he do that on purpose or not?

LA: 19:23

Well, I think he definitely did it on accident. He was never possessed or anything. And it just showed him it just showed him looking out and then because he had to step up on the chair to get up there. So I think maybe as he was going down, he probably just because they

Berly: 19:36

were raised or something. But regardless, Ruby somehow finds the fault in their defenses and come smashing through the window lands at a double trap. And it's like, are y'all gonna let me out so they let her out. She lets them know that Lilith is after them. Who will find more out about Lilith in the lore right? But she's like a bad aspects. Ruby is trying to help them come up with a plan. She knows a spell. There's a virgin in the sheriff's office so that she can do the spell which is sweet little Nancy. Dean could

LA: 20:13

not believe.

Berly: 20:14

Yeah, he was so upset. He was just like, she hasn't even been laid and we're just gonna kill her. This is bullshit.

LA: 20:22

You didn't like it when she she said it. He was like, no. Yeah, I mean, nothing. Really? No, like he was just stumped.

Berly: 20:28

And she was like a life choice. Fuck off. Yeah. What? You know what? Kudos to you, Nancy. Yeah. Anyway, Nancy was totally willing to sacrifice herself to save all the people outside who had been possessed because she saw when she looked outside, she saw there were friends out there that she knew. But again, Sam Dean, even Hinrichsen were like, No, we're not sacrificing people. We're not trading lives here having their captain america moment. This shit ain't happening. And Ruby basically says, Okay, if y'all are going to do my plan, and let me help save you, like, let me out. I'm not going to stay here and watch all of you get slaughtered. In this bullshit. I'm out. And they let her go. And when she steps outside, there's like a horde of demons out there. And she just kind of was like I'm leaving and who's going to try and stop me. And they all backed away from her. Well, she

LA: 21:22

has that knife that like kills demons. Yeah. But still, there were a lot of them. Yeah. They could

Berly: 21:29

have taken her if they wanted

LA: 21:30

to know, maybe she's a little feared to like Lula.

Berly: 21:33

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, maybe she's more powerful than we know. Maybe there's something out special to her as like, why she remembers her humanity. And yeah, I don't know. I thought that was weird that it was like, gosh, she has her demon knife that she can kill you with. But there were a lot of them. And they all backed away. Or maybe all demons are postseason. Just that hasn't been established just yet. You know, I don't know. Yeah, I just that scenes kind of had me questioning, feeling like there's more to the story that we don't know. Yeah. After Ruby leaves, we kind of see the after effects of a plan coming into place. We don't know what the plan is. But essentially what they end up doing is breaking the salt line everywhere letting the demons in. And then we see Nancy and one of the other Sheriff guys outside, slamming all the doors and resulting the exits. Essentially locking the demons inside Henriksen Sam and Dean are all fighting the demons. Then we hear them yell now like do it now and somebody is in, like the Audiovisual Room Hendriksen the AV room is Hinrichsen. Hendrickson is in the AV room where there's the PA system, and he ends up hitting play on a cassette tape recorder, the cassette player. And it's a recording of Sammy, smarty pants.

LA: 23:04

I don't think that was Sam. You thought it was zine? No, I think it was just a Latin recording.

Berly: 23:09

Why did they just have that on hand?

LA: 23:11

It said I think it said on the tape Latin something. Oh, did it? Yeah, I totally I think I think Dean got it from the car when he went out there.

Berly: 23:18

I completely missed that. I totally thought it was just Sam. Anyway, I could be wrong, too. It doesn't matter. Yeah. The point is that it was an exorcism on tape. That's now being played all the demons are freaking out. They smoke out of the bodies. They're trying to leave the police station but for some reason I don't know why they couldn't leave they just all gathered near the ceiling because the salt they're sealed in not on the roof. Oh, well, it did show Nancy and the guy on the roof earlier so maybe they put salt down up there too. I think about that. So they're all on the roof. And then they just like burst into flames

LA: 23:54

like the big black smoke and yeah, that's what's on the ceiling.

Berly: 23:58

Yeah, and that's what burst into flames. So we're assuming all of those demons they said it was 30 Plus demons. We're assuming all of them got sent back to hell,

LA: 24:07

which good job because I mean, yeah, I mean, it seems like the majority of the time when that happens, the demon just goes off to go inhabit somebody else. Yeah,

Berly: 24:15

it somehow bails out just like goes through a vent or something like that. But this time, we actually saw them burst into flames. So we think all those demons got sent back to hell. So at least 30 That's good job. Good job. Teamwork. Teamwork makes the dream work. Way to go, guys. It's right. Afterwards, we see Hinrichsen talking to Sam and Dean. And he lets them know that he's going to call the home office and tell them that Sam and Dean were in the helicopter when it exploded and they're dead.

LA: 24:44

Yeah, nothing left not even teeth to to

Berly: 24:47

Yeah, test. That's it. They're gone. And as far as everything else, he said he was just going to come up with the most believable lie that he could think of to explain away everything else, but that the guys were free to go. So Sam and Dean Say thank you and they leave. And during this episode after Hendrickson found out the truth in everything, LA and I are both like, oh my god, Hendrickson is gonna be such a good hunter. And I told la I know he wasn't around in any of the episodes when I was paying attention later in the show, and they just made him likable.

LA: 25:20

We know what that means. Yeah.

Berly: 25:24

So I don't think things are gonna end good for Hendricks. And sure enough, after Sam and Dean leave the sheriff's office, people are all trying to pick things up and get things back in order. Henrickson is still there. This woman and a little girl come walking in. And the little girl walks up to Nancy and says, Hey, I'm looking for two brothers that should be here. One of them's really tall, and the other ones really cute. Which, excuse me, they're both tall and kids, right? Yeah. Get it right little girl. And then her eyes go white. Yeah. She says her name is Lilith. And that means there's white eyes rather than the white instead of black. Yeah, wide eyes instead of black. And then this bright light shines as we see everyone in the sheriff's department like screaming, and it cuts away. Well and

LA: 26:19

right before she does her big white light. Henrickson was sitting on his desk and he like as soon as she said something about the brothers he like he was on the phone dropped. The phone started to run over there. And then the white light happened.

Berly: 26:30

Yeah, he knew he knew something was fucked up. I didn't catch that. Yeah. We cut to Sam and Dean in a motel room chillin out. And Ruby shows up to come into there and be like, I know something y'all don't know yet again. She turns on the TV, and they see the news story about what happened to the sheriff station. And it's saying that the casualties were Nancy Henrickson, and it lists off everybody else who was there.

LA: 27:00

Just tosses the little bags at them.

Berly: 27:03

First she like, what's the word I'm looking for? Where you're like, schools voting yes. Goldson. That's the word. I

LA: 27:09

was. Oh, yeah.

Berly: 27:10

She scolds them. That turns out my plan that I wanted to do would have had the lesser body count,

LA: 27:17

which would have been sacrificing herself. Right. I don't know if it did you mentioned that. Oh, I

Berly: 27:21

didn't Yeah, I didn't mention that. So the spell that Ruby had it would have cost Nancy her life and it would have cost Ruby her life, because that spell would have eviscerated any demon within a mile radius, which would have included Ruby. So Ruby's plan would have cost the life of herself and Nancy, and that's it. Yeah. Whereas at the end of this plan, a lot of other people died.

LA: 27:46

Thanks, Dean. Dean in your conscience.

Berly: 27:51

She rebukes them for not behaving appropriately under the Jessen, bellow.

Unknown: 27:58

Hmm. Oh, which is the laws of war.

Berly: 28:02

And she does toss them a couple of bags. What were the bags for

LA: 28:05

again protection against Lilith for for now, she said, it's like, like, it's only going to work for so long,

Berly: 28:11

right? Because Lilith is on their asses. And that's basically where the episode ends.

LA: 28:16

Or no, I'm sorry, it was to throw her off their tracks verse for the time being.

Berly: 28:21

Same thing. Yeah. This episode marks the first time in this series that one of the brothers performed an exorcism from memory without needing to read the words from a source. We saw Dean tried to do it in Sin City. But as we know, he didn't quite finish that shit. No. Also when the demons were exercised, and they gathered the ceiling at the police station and exploded as opposed to going to hell. As was seen in other exorcisms This effect has never been seen before. Or since. Oh, so that's the only time I assumed they went to hell. Sorted I just because they didn't go into the floor and burn up. I assumed they still went to hell, because they burned up. Yeah. Oh, well. This episode was written by Sarah gamble. So far this season. She has written The Kids Are All Right, fresh blood. And she also wrote with Katherine Humphries Dream a Little Dream of me. It was directed by Phil so Grecia, who also directed The Kids Are All Right. Nice. No gore. Really. I mean, I guess the goriest thing that happened is whenever Dean got shot by the FBI guy, there was some blood splatter on the wall. Yeah, I wouldn't call it a splooge it wasn't quite enough for a splooge Yeah, I mean, I guess we call it a splooge whenever it splurged on the guy's face, but it's because it's flutes on his face. Just because this one was on the wall. I feel like we can't really call it a splurge. It wasn't big enough to be a splurge. It was just like a little. Anyway, that's the gorgeous thing I recall seeing and it wasn't that gory, right. Same buzz there anything you adored about this episode? Um,

LA: 30:04

oh, I really liked when we, you know when Hendrickson was taunting them. And he would we didn't mention this but he was going on and on about how that their daddy taught them their ways. And he probably touched them inappropriately at some point. And Sam had been leaning on the Rizal lounge in the jail sale. And as soon as he said that Sam like, leaned up and Danny looked good.

Berly: 30:28

We were like rewound it and we came up with scenarios of, oh, Sam's in your bedroom, and he's leaned up against your headboard or your wall, and you say this, and then we'd hit play and show Sammy sitting up, and then we'd rewind it and come up with a different scenario.

LA: 30:46

It's hot. Real nice. So I very much adored that

Berly: 30:51

we were getting we got a kick out of that. We had fun with that. Jared paddled like it. Yeah, he looked. He looked real hot. He looked real hot. He was pissed off. And sitting up the way he was like, smoldering. Yeah, the way he came sitting up. Yeah, that was nice. That was nice. What about you as well? I was really confused during this episode. And to be perfectly honest, I was still trying to absorb what happened in the last episode. So you didn't adore anything. I can't think of anything that comes to mind that I particularly adored I will say I'm intrigued with this Lillith bitch. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm ready to see what happens next with this little kid. White eye demon thing that flashed everything white like a new killer bomb. I can't say I adore it. But I am intrigued. Like, what's that about? Yeah, who's this?

LA: 31:41

I agree.

Berly: 31:42

I didn't dislike this episode. But I don't know that. I'll remember this episode. You know, by the time we get to the season finale either.

LA: 31:50

Okay. Well, should I move on to the lore? Yeah, I have nothing more to add. Really? Okay. Well, the lore is about Lilith. Now. There is a lot of information on Lilith. She's in Greco Roman mythology, Arabic culture, Jewish tradition, Hebrew. She's in the Boo Boo rival, Mesopotamian mythology, Western II. So Tarik, Tarik. CISM and modern occultism. Like she's all over the place. There's different like versions of her. Nice. Yeah, so it was kind of crazy looking, trying to find something that wouldn't take up two hours to talk about her. So this is kind of theory condensed version. And this is more so in the realm of the of her and Judaism. She's an extremely controversial figure in Jewish folklore, and her name is actually not included in the creation story of the Torah, but she appears in several mid mid Rasik tests, texts, texts. Her symbolism history literature are debated among Jewish scholars, feminist and other intellectuals. As I said, there's multiple origin stories for her but one of the most popular ones from history tells that Lilith was actually the first wife of Adam. So she's some people refer to her as the first

Berly: 33:11

Eve. She can't be her own woman. Well, well.

LA: 33:15

Wait, what? Why? So she was created by God from dust just like Adam and place to live in the garden with Adam until problems arose when during sex, he acts he exercised dominance over Lilith. It tells that she refused to lay beneath him. And since she believed that they were created equal, both from dust of the earth, so she should not have to be made to lay beneath him. She didn't like missionary. Yeah, she wanted. She wanted other styles. Got it? Yeah. Adam didn't like it, obviously. And so Lilith took off she fled the Garden of Eden to gain her independence. Adam told God, Adam ratted on loathe to God that she had left and he sent so God sent three angels after her. They were named since these are probably pronounced wrong. SNOWBOY Sansa noi, and salmon Gil off

Berly: 34:13

to not not say mi L with that good Archangel semen. By law. No,

LA: 34:18

but But wait. Oh. So they were sent to retrieve her. They found her in a cave bearing children, but she refused to come back. And so the angels told her that they would kill 100 of her children every day for her disobedience.

Berly: 34:33

How many kids was she having? Well, I

LA: 34:34

think maybe the men and the future too. I mean, I don't know. But apparently her and Adam were getting along getting it on a lot.

Berly: 34:41

I don't know. Even though she didn't like missionary and Adam apparently did not want to do another position. I don't know, man. She got knocked up. And she was popping out. Hundreds of children. Yeah. All right.

LA: 34:54

In revenge. She is said to rob children of life and is responsible for the deaths of stillborn infants and crib deaths like SIDS, jeez, so that's a little if. And this is super weird. So male children are at risk of Lillith wrath for eight days after birth of course until they're circumcised. Oh, of course, girl gotta

Berly: 35:15

get rid of that force. Oh, yeah.

LA: 35:17

And then girls are at risk for 20 days. No reasoning is is said. So Lilith stole her children's lives in the night. And she agreed not to kill the children who were who had amulets of either of the three angels. So I guess, which reminded me of this episode. Well, how they put the little things on the charm. Yeah. So after the angels departure, a little tried to return to the garden, but once she got there, she saw that Adam already had Eve there. Jelly.

Berly: 35:51

She wasn't wanting to play throttle, right happiness with them. And she

LA: 35:55

so it says out of revenge, Lilith had sex with Adam while he was sleeping and stole his seed. That's not okay. Right. And so with this seed, she bears Lilium which is earthbound demons to replace her children killed by the angels. And she is also said to be responsible for males, erotic dreams and night emissions. Wet dreams. Yeah. Okay. And another theory says that she is impregnated and that creates more demons through masturbation and erotic dreams. Okay, meow. Now the history of Lilith. Like I said, it's commonly found in Jewish folklore and the Midrash the origin of Lilith is actually in Sumerian. Sumerian is as a Sumerian succubus. Ah, the first Jewish story of Lilith was told in the alphabet of Ben serraj. Before the introduction of this alphabet of Ben's ra she was mostly seen as a demon S instead of the first Eve. And due to the ambi ambiguity of her she has been represented in multiple forms in both literature and art. Some theological scholars acknowledge that she is the first Eve But others see her as the demoness and art historically, she's been portrayed, variously ranging from risque versions to her being in the garden. Now, a lot of people see her as a power symbol. With the open ended nature of Lilith as a symbol was allowed has allowed different groups to use her as a destructive female symbol or a symbol of female power. A lot of feminists see her as, like the first woman not only the first woman but the first woman who created her own independence how she refused to have Adam dominate her and fleas and, you know, even though she knows there's gonna be consequences, Jewish hot Holic Holic probably wrong. law forbids the spilling of a man's seed and Lilith takes advantage of this during masturbation and erotic dreams and uses it to replenish her own offspring. I still don't quite understand that.

Berly: 38:05

Oh, so it's only men masturbating. Like we're fine. Oh,

LA: 38:10

yeah, you're right.

Berly: 38:11

Yeah, it sounds like we're good.

LA: 38:13

Although little is controversial. Sometimes feminists have used her as a symbol of empowerment. One Jewish feminist magazine is called Lulu and labels itself as an independent Jewish women's magazine. The publishers use Lilith as a title because they believe she has a symbol of independence. What about Lilith fair?

Berly: 38:32

Is that named after? Yes, yeah.

LA: 38:34

And then I mean, it just kind of keeps on repeating itself with besides like, you know, the atom thing and stealing children and whatnot. But despite her downfall, she still remains remains a symbol of power, simply by her survival and mysteriousness. She is open for interpretation. And that allows women to reinterpret her symbolism and power within the tradition. But there's also like, this is just like one of the iterations of her because like I said, there's so many,

Berly: 39:04

so she's like a demon. Yeah. Okay.

LA: 39:08

Or is she a heroine? I don't know. No, I mean, she's raping men and killing children. No, no. But I guess some people but like I said, this is just this one. So like, knows some of the other mythologies, but it's I mean, I kind of want to read up more on it just because there's so much across so many different things.

Berly: 39:29

can't summarize it, and God knows we'll be here all night.

LA: 39:33

Be like three shows worth.

Berly: 39:36

Well, interesting. Interesting. It'll be interesting to see where Supernaturals Lilith goes. Yeah, I assume she's gonna be the new big bad. Well, it seems like yeah, at least which is weird, because we're over halfway through the season and they're just now introducing her. Well, maybe she's

LA: 39:50

just gonna be the big bad for the neck. Wait, how many episodes we have left.

Berly: 39:55

I think there's only 16 total. And we have four left. This was the 12th episode. So yeah, So the next four are they're probably she's going to be the bad guy. And I'd be back and forth at each other because they did that last season where it was like, We got to wrap all this up. So maybe maybe they're going to do that over the next four, right? Who knows? Okay, so to close it out. I have a quote from when Hendrickson had first arrested the Winchester brothers and thrown them into a jail cell. He walked in and was talking about how he's going to get himself dinner and all these other things. He said, I've got a lot to celebrate seeing you too and chains.

LA: 40:36

And Dean says, You kinky son of a bitch. We don't swing that way.

Berly: 40:41

Cheers. Cheers. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.

LA: 40:47

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