The Sound Frequency that Makes You Feel “Invincible” with Craig Goldberg pt.2 #82

In this second conversation with Craig Goldberg, we go deep into authenticity, vibration, nervous system regulation, meditation, music, and the healing power of sound.

Craig shares the surprising research behind why authenticity may carry a higher vibration than even love or gratitude — and how learning to truly align with yourself can completely transform the way you feel, create, and show up in the world.

We also explore:

✨ Sound healing & binaural beats

✨ Nervous system regulation

✨ Music as emotional processing

✨ Craig’s personal meditation experiences

✨ The story behind InHarmony’s powerful music meditations

✨ How frequency and sound can impact performance, healing, and emotional balance

✨ Why Craig says consistent sound technology made him feel “invincible”

Craig also shares the creation process behind InHarmony’s immersive meditations, including Ceremonia, their collaborative work with musician Anthony Weiss, and how their growing community of 11,000+ app users helps guide future frequency experiences.

This episode is both deeply grounding and expansive — a conversation about becoming more fully yourself and the ripple effect that creates in the world around you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Crystal Zinn Podcast. I believe our bodies are a living map of the entire universe. All the answers reside within. Remember, you are sovereign, whole, and infinitely valuable. And the best gift we can give to the world is our own healing. Join me as we explore holistic tools, spiritual practices, and paradigms that are shifting the way people experience life, business, and relationships. I love to share education on the most recent medical research and cutting-edge technology on anatomy, neurology, trauma development, and more to give us a foundation in understanding how to align, utilize, and upregulate our physical systems. Ultimately, this podcast is a witness and support to people on their journey of remembering, an inspiration for all of us to keep going and a reminder that we are not alone. Welcome back to the Crystal Zen podcast. Today is a really exciting episode for me because I think I've rarely ever done this in the past. This might be the first time, or maybe only the second, where I've done a second visit of someone that I've really enjoyed talking to. So we'll call it Craig 2.0. And we alluded to it at the end of the other podcast I released that we would go deeper into some of these subjects. So I'm really excited for this. Welcome back, Craig.

SPEAKER_04 1:24

I'm so honored. I'm so honored. I'm so stoked to be here. I'm so excited. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

I'm so grateful for your willingness. Um we're recording a little bit earlier. We're headed into a full moon. Um, we have some exciting things to talk about. So let's tune in. Uh right now, right at the beginning. Um, it seems like we're dialed in, but you know, that's a tradition on the podcast. And then we're just gonna dive into these things. So any of the things you wanted to hear or know, just listen. We're just gonna flow. So welcome to that today. If you're in a place where it's safe to do so, go ahead and close your eyes. If you're feeling a lot of energy buzzing around, if you're listening to this close to the time we recorded it, we're just going to take the energy around our body, pull it in on an inhale, insourcing, not outsourcing. And then on an exhale, picture a vortex in your heart center. We're gonna continue doing that. One of my shamans described this as pulling your arrows back from the universe, from other people, from the world, putting your arrows back in your quiver. So if that visualization helps, on every inhale, you're pulling in through every pore of your body. And through every exhale, a spinning vortex right at heart center, driving the energy equally up and down. We'll take five breaths like this, circulating your own torus field. Fun anatomy fact: this is actually how your heart muscle works. It's a spiral muscle. The vortex energy is what pumps the blood around your body, not muscle. And it comes out the top of your ascending aorta and the bottom of your descending. And this is exactly how it moves around your body. So this is some actual vestibular and somatic awareness. See if you can feel it. And the more accurate anatomy knowledge we have combined with an emotion and an intention is the most powerful way to create in the world around you. So for the last couple seconds, remember a time where you were in ultimate flow, a time when you were unconditionally loved, or a time where you felt overwhelming gratitude. Infuse this flow of your vibrational energy with that feeling. And then think of what you want the most. Surrender it up to the universe for its perfect timing, and then come back with an inhale and exhale. How do you feel?

SPEAKER_04 5:04

So good. I feel like I'm the only one that can respond. So good.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

You are the voice of the people right now.

SPEAKER_04 5:12

I'm the voice of the people. I that felt fantastic. Oh god, but the word vestibular in there. Ascending and descending. That was the most technical meditation I've ever done. I'd love it.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

There's so many options. Only 90 seconds.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

I just absolutely love it. I've gone back to watch a couple of other ones on other episodes, and it's just it's just awesome. I love how you say if it's safe to do so right now. Like, hey, if you're driving, let's not do this part. Just fast forward two minutes.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

I mean, some people are operational command, and you gotta be responsible when you're directing.

SPEAKER_04 5:56

I think it's awesome. If it's safe to do so, like he's operating a crane or anyway, I don't know. I just think it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Craig doesn't know this yet. Uh, but I actually did release our first episode this morning. I just haven't advertised it on social media yet. And I decided to call it you can't heal in survival mode, returning to authenticity. And the places where it let me write more on the different platforms, I said uh returning to authenticity through the nervous system.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Highest vibration on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah, I wonder if you may be willing to start there because there's so much to say about describing authenticity, what that looks like as we get closer to that target, or maybe just uncover, oh, I thought I knew what that meant, but once I feel it, you know, on your technology or in a meditation, or many ways that we get there. Maybe expand on what that means to you and how there.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

So look, uh each emotion that we feel has a vibration. And intuitively we know this love feels the way love feels. Somebody else's love, feel unconditional love when you recognize and see unconditional love, when you either present it or when you receive it. Sorrow, sadness, guilt, shame, right? All these different emotions, they have an energy and a weight to them. And for the longest time, doctors and and researchers thought that gratitude, love, you know, that these were the highest ranking emotions. And it turns out there was uh, I forget the exact study, but the study went something like as they were doing the research, the the researchers realized that there was a moment of authenticity where the participants were being were were, they recognized that they were being truthful with themselves and representing themselves in a very specific way. And the researchers identified that as authenticity, and they watched the vibration jump through the roof, not like a little bit, but like through the roof from the measurements they were getting from gratitude and love. And and we very quickly realized that authenticity is the highest vibration that you can hold. And you are the only person who knows you're being authentic. That's the most wild part. I could sit here and we could talk for the next hour and have a beautiful conversation. And and maybe inside it's not the case, by the way. This is my authentic self, but but maybe the case, maybe it was my the case that that it's hypothetically that it's my internal dialogue, that I don't believe any of this, that this is all just lip service, and I'm not being my authentic self. That I really believe in in beating up on yourself and others for the whatever, right? Um, you wouldn't know it if I present myself as this is what I love to do, because it is, you wouldn't, you wouldn't know it. Who would know it? I would know it, and I would be inauthentic with my highest and best self. And it turns out the highest vibration you can hold is being authentic to yourself, whatever that means. And sometimes it's career, sometimes it's work, sometimes it's family, sometimes it's relationship, sometimes it's kids, sometimes it's parents, sometimes it's a significant other. Um, sometimes it's just about setting boundaries. No, not interested in doing that. I think we this was like the last thing that we were talking about, right? As we as we broke the last show. You were like, you were like, I'd love to have you back again. And I was like, I would love to come back again. And and you you didn't, you weren't like really? And I was like, I wouldn't say it if I didn't want to do it. Like, right? Like, I just I I don't do that. I've I've gotten to a place in my life where if I don't want to do it, I'm gonna be nice about it, but I'm gonna kindly decline. Hey, you know what? I'm not really into that. And with my wife, it's actually sometimes it's even sometimes it's even more direct. Like sometimes she'll bring something up, and I'll just be like, Yeah, no, I don't. That's no, you ladies have fun. That sounds great, you know? Like, oh, that's wonderful. For I'm so happy. I love that for you. That's great. That's not for me. And and that's just the way this is going. Um, yeah, authenticity, highest vibration.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

It it feels, at least now in my life too, it feels like such a relief. Like the way I would describe when someone is authentic towards me like that, and I can feel that. Like you said, only only we can know truly, but you can sort of pick up on it. Um, it feels like it calms my nervous system. When I do it and other people do it, it feels like there's space, like truth is kindness. And I have noticed with myself and with others, but that's kind of unfair to talk about others. So I'll just talk about myself. Um, that there is a space or a journey towards authenticity when there are times when I had thought I was being authentic and I wasn't. Like there's a lot of crap in the way and egos and stories and things a lot of times where where, you know, me even maybe someone else may be saying to us, you're lying, you're being a jerk, like that's not what you mean. And you're sitting there going, it totally is, right? And you're digging in. So I know what that journey looks like for me. And I'm curious for you, what was the time where you were able to expand your consciousness and access more authenticity? And by what means? How did how do we get there?

SPEAKER_04 11:43

Look, it it happens in the little things and it happens in the big things. And there's there's lots of room for that in the different relationships that we have. And more importantly, I think the relationship that you have with yourself. Knowing and identifying what you enjoy doing, what you want to do, where you want to put your energy versus where you do put your energy is, I think, at a core functionality for all of us, really, really important because that's where it starts. I think you have to sit and spend time with yourself. It's one of the things I love about meditation, mindfulness, sound loud sessions, asking yourself the question, like, what do I want? Where am I where am I not in alignment in my life? Where is it that because you know, right? Somewhere inside you know, either it's ego that's that you're protecting, or or somebody else. There's there's lots of good reasons to do things that you don't want to do. But by the way, if you're doing something because you want to protect someone, or because you want to support someone, or because you want to, that can be your authentic self. There's plenty of people that that serve others. Once your cup is overflowing and you're serving from your saucer, which is another thing that we wanted to talk about, it's it's very much okay to want to serve others and be fulfilled serving others, as long as that's in alignment with your core wants and desires, and that is your authentic self, then that's fantastic. It's when things become disharmony, it's when you begin to feel spun out or stretched or spread thin, and all of a sudden you just don't have the capacity to take care of yourself and whatever it is that you're pushing towards and doing. So I think first and foremost, I think you have to sit down with yourself. And by the way, I've done this just in the last five days. I've done this a few times with rather long Sound Lounge sessions on not on my Zero G. I was actually on my my Sound Lounge 1, uh Sound Lounge 3 with the red light, but Sound Lounge sessions where I sat down with a very specific intention of what's next. Where am I headed? Of all the priorities that I have, what's most important for me to focus my attention on and show that to me. And and sure enough, in the depths of my meditative state, I I have a very clear vision of exactly what I need. And you can call that connecting with your higher self, you can call it connecting with your intuition, whatever it is. There is a core guidance inside me. And I'm I'm here to tell you that you have this, and everybody that's listening has this as well, that you can tap into to find that true north for you, which is constantly moving. I think that's the other part of this. That for me, it's cool because you know, you get a target and you're like, Great, here's the north star. This is where I'm heading. And then you check in with yourself again, and you're like, is it doing over there? And like, and did I get off course? No, I'm still on the same course I was, but now it's over there as as things have shifted and changed around me because they're constantly shifting and changing around you. So you kind of got to be prepared for that too.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

I'm so glad you brought that up because one thing that was really healing for me early on in some of my awakening, however, you want to define that practices was when one of my shaman had said to me, Do you know you're allowed to change your mind? Like you're allowed to have a preference.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

You stubborn little.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

I was like, actually, it was a lot like you described, and I thought that was such a man thing. Like, I've got this target, someone told it to me or told me I had to decide by 12 years old, and I'm 62, and I'm still headed in that direction, right?

SPEAKER_04 15:36

And so it's still 62, you're not 62.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

No, it wasn't it was cool. It's a warning, it's a fair warning to learn how to navigate what Craig just told us a lot sooner. Learn how to continue tapping in as that shifts a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

A little bit. Sometimes it does a complete 180.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

What we call that a midlife crisis. People want to call it a midlife crisis.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Would you be willing to share? Like, was it business and then it switched to family, or is it like what it what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 16:09

I it happens, it happens all the time in life. It happened three times in your life, right? All of a sudden I had a daughter, and it was like, Oh, yeah, I'm not the most important person in my life, right? Or like well, I am because we have to take care of ourselves, but like I'm I'm not. We were just talking about this earlier, how the schedule gets taken over, and and all of a sudden you're like, Oh, I want to support this amazing human. Look, same with my wife, same with my parents. My parents just moved into my house. There's a big shift. Now, I think it's interesting because you went through this three times, and I have a daughter, and I I feel like every parent charges into parenthood of like, nothing's gonna change. We're gonna keep doing what we're doing, it's gonna be great, my kid's gonna be different. And and I think if that's your goal to a certain degree, you can do that, right? You can take your daughter or your child with you everywhere you go. But at some point, at least for us, we realized that that was just a pain in the ass. Like, we were just making life that much more difficult. Like, could I bring my daughter to the place that I was gonna go to anyway on a you know, normal hangout? I probably could. It would be harmless and it would be all good. But I gotta bring the baby back, I gotta bring the car seat, I gotta bring that, and then just all of a sudden you just look at it and you're like, I'm just gonna stay home. Or I'm gonna go over to my grandma's house or aunt's house, or do something that's just a path of lesser resistance, right? And it's great to have those intentions of everything is going to stay the same, but things change. And I think for me, the sooner I adopted that and recognized that, the better. Look, my parents just moved in with me. I'm super honored to have them here, like honored to have them here. And my wife and I discussed it, and we talked about this being the best thing for the short term and and what's going on. Like, it's all good. Big adjustment. My parents and I haven't lived under the same roof in in a long time, 47. I moved out when I was 19. Like it's been a long time. So um, there's adjustments that need to happen, there's priorities that shift and change. My dad's working through some health stuff. That means I'm working through some health stuff, right? And and we make these shifts and these changes regularly. It happens in my business too, in harmony. There's right now we're in a point in time where I love recording content and and getting out in front of the camera. Two months ago, it was about building internal systems and and literally working inside softwares and integrations and right, like next next week, literally, we're shifting gears to our partner program and and we're rewriting our partner program. Last week I took two days to rewrite our return policy and our warranty. Like it's constantly ebbing and flowing of what is necessary and what becomes the highest priority. I got I got a desk full of papers that just haven't reached the top of my priority list yet. You know? So like I think there's the there's the macro of like, what is this year all about? What is the next two, three, three years, five years all about, and and where is that heading? And then there's the day-to-day of like the minutiae of like, what do I need to get done today? And then there's the the midterm kind of like what needs to get done over the next couple of weeks, a couple of months, what are the bigger projects that I want to put some time and attention to? And I feel like anybody that's working through multiple interests, family, work, owning a business, side hustle, right? Like there's so many different things that it's like all we're really doing is is rearranging these priorities and figuring out what of multiple priority lists is the most important, you know, right? So I feel like that true north is constantly shifting and changing, and you have to allow it to shift and change, and you have to find time to check in with yourself to see if it has changed and if you're still on course. And it's different for every single one of us at every moment in our lives, it's just constantly evolving. Like what a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Yeah, that was such a good description of how to move through and how many things we're navigating and how you're moving through it and how it's changing and how you check in. And I definitely think that you, it sounds like you're like level 220 of some of those things because I think family, family of origin and our children are the highest level of learning some of these concepts that we're talking about. Uh, and from what you're saying, some of those skill levels are like acceptance, change, prioritization, checking in with yourself. A lot of the things that you're describing are pretty high-level skills that do take an intention and a determination and a desire and work to be able to do the things that you're describing. I mean, we're not just 18 and able to navigate that. And while you were talking about all that, I was I was thinking, wow, he's he's describing all of these things in such a beautiful way of moving through them. And I was comparing that, you know, to like my 18-year-old self or you know, people that are much younger.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

How they would move through those things or how I've moved through those in the past, and how that's changed and where you're at is really hard because it's one, it's one thing to do it in a controlled environment. It's another thing with your family of origin. I mean, your parents and your kids, those are probably the two things that we have the least control out of, the most uh investment, and the highest triggers and trauma and things like that surrounding it. So I didn't smile, I wasn't laughing at you. What I was kind of giggling at, like, oh, what a cool gift and opportunity and test for you to practice a lot.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

It's a blast. It's a blast. Look, you you brought up something really interesting. And that is like looking back to your 18-year-old self. Here's the cool part. For most of us, okay, and there are certainly exceptions to this. For most of us, life starts pretty simple and pretty straightforward. Um, you know, my six-year-old doesn't have a tremendous amount of priorities, but but they're but they're starting to, right? She's starting to get jobs around the house, she's starting to get responsibilities that we're asking her to take care of. I don't know, at some point in the last year and a half, it went from I'm not carrying all of your stuff to the car. You're gonna carry your stuff to the car. And right when she was three, it was like, hey, I'm not gonna put you in the car. You're big enough to climb in that car, climb in a car, right? So, like, little by little, you're given these responsibilities. By the way, I think it's also really cute and adorable how when you're a kid you want to do it, right? So, like when she was able, like, I got this. I taught her, I taught my daughter, I got this instead of I want to do it, or and it was just this adorable, cute little thing of like a two and a half year old being like, I got this, dad. It's just so cute, right? So, like it builds and it grows, and and I truly believe we're not given more than we can handle ever. Um, sometimes that's a lot more than we feel we can handle at the time, but I promise you you'll get through it. And and some of us have some pretty major issues to deal with at a young age. I know I know people that have lost parents at a young age. I know parents, I know people that have lost both parents. Uh, I know people that have dealt with tragic accidents and and you know, terrible things. And and you push through and and you get stronger from it. I'm not saying I'm wishing this upon anybody, but I am saying that things happen and responsibility is is put upon us in different ways, and that's okay. We find the way to right, we are resilient, we find a way to push through that meditation, mindfulness, sound, fibroacoustics, it can absolutely help. It's interesting. I was I went and saw the Michael Jackson movie on on Saturday night. So again, I don't know what anybody's listening to this, but we saw like Dolble Outmost. Like, we don't go to the theaters very often, but like that was one we wanted to see in the theaters, and it was awesome. Place was packed. And I guess given my age at 47, like I remember when these albums came out. I remember when he was right. That was like my childhood, and and it it brought back a lot for me. I was not expecting this to be uh a ceremonial experience, I was bawling most of the movie. Like, like I don't know, I don't know why. I just you've sat in ceremony before, I've sat in ceremony before, and the tears just come out, and it's just like that's that's beautiful. I I don't know what it was that I was thinking. I do actually. I remember I was thinking about my dad and how my dad used to dance to that movie, right? With everything he's going through. And I remembered having, we were the house where everybody came over because we had a big screen TV, and we would we would get cable that night or pay-per-view or whatever it was, MTV, wherever his previews were. Anyway, it was a very emotional experience. And we saw a 945 movie, which was late, and we got back at one in the morning, and then my wife and I dropped in for like an hour, and then at the end of our drop-in, I was like, I'm gonna do a sound lounge session. I did an hour on the sound lounge, 63 minutes of uh music meditation called Ceremonia, which is very much like a ceremony, and and I got these incredible downloads about myself, about the role sound and vibration has played in my life, and and a message that I need to bring forth to people about specifically peak performance and and what this does for me. So you start to talk about priorities, right? And you start to talk about all these different things that we need to do in order to be successful in our own mind. That's a total relative um statement, by the way, completely subjective. Success looks different for each and every one of us. But for in my eye, success is is sometimes just about taking care of things and and knocking things off the the to-do list, which never ends, by the way, and uh and is constantly building. And and the download that I got when I was on my sound lounge is how invincible I feel when I'm using this technology on a regular basis. And when and when you're invincible, there's nothing we we talked about this, right? The nervous system being re-regulated and and getting a good night's sleep, right? We talked about this in part one, where we were like, when you get a good night's rest, is there anything that the world can throw at you? No. And and that whole conversation of nervous system regulation, which I've been having for a decade, translated into this very real feeling of invincibility, like Superman. There was a Superman preview, there's another Superman movie coming out, whatever. Like, like when you feel like Superman, there's nothing that can that can be thrown at you that you can't handle. You're just like, I'll take care of it, I'll figure it out, let's go. And when I'm using our technology on a regular basis, when I feel the most calm and the most relaxed and the most focused, there is nothing any of those different scenarios can throw at me that I can't handle. And I feel invincible. I feel like I am operating at peak performance. And and I wanted to share that with the world. That feeling, not the technology. Yeah, great. I have this business, this is what I do, that's awesome. I want more people to feel that feeling of invincibility that I feel when I'm using our technology on a regular basis. And that feeling that I had Saturday night, I sprung off. It was three o'clock in the morning. I'd been up since God knows what on Saturday morning, and I felt invincible. I opened up my laptop, I started doing work. I like had this flow of consciousness that I just needed to get out of me. It was three o'clock in the morning. I got to bed at four, and and this feeling of mental clarity and agility and specificity of what I need to do and and how crystal clear that was based on the reflection that I attained while I was on the sound lounge through that hour-long session. And by the way, it wasn't an easy session. Um, this was 63 minutes. Um, the first 25 minutes or so was this beautiful, uplifting, amazing experience. And then right about 25 to 30, somewhere in there, I don't know, I didn't check. I don't have a blindfold on. It got pretty dark. It shifted from a major to a minor. I don't know if you're familiar with music theory and and what that means, but I think you are because I've seen that episode. And and it got it got rough. I was like, I think I'm done. And then I was like, no, see this through. Let's let's just breathe and let's relax and let the mind go to wherever the mind's gonna go. And I went to a little bit of a dark place, and then at the end it all turned around and came back. And I'm glad I listened to the whole thing, and it felt very much like a ceremonial experience called ceremonia. It's I mean, it's aptly named. And and I moved through those periods of uncomfortability to to blossom and bliss, and and I felt so empowered, and I immediately began thinking like, well, this is this is what a regulated nervous system feels like. This is what it feels like to have a balanced mind, body, and spirit. And I gotta tell more people about this. Like I just came off it like I need to create content, I need a uh I got a message that I need to get out. Peak performance, an optimal human, you know, performance. Like we gotta, we gotta talk about this anyway. It um as it as it happens, right? It it comes over me over and over again. And it's usually when I'm in that relaxed state that I'm able to um that I'm able to express that, put it to words, put a plan together and and push forward. It was awesome. Just awesome.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Thanks for painting that picture for us and taking us through some of your that personal experience. The thing I kept thinking through it was, yeah, and what a service to the world that you're doing this and that you're finding your authentic vibration, which is it's in service, right? The only way we can be in service to anyone else or the world besides the cup and the saucer analogy you use is to find that for your own self, right? Continue to heal yourself, be in that state, uh, and then let that overflow. I think, I think it's really cool how vibration and music has played a part in your whole life like that. You know, and it was also sounds like it was also set up when you were a kid that you guys were the host of that, right? You were the family, and then having those full circle moments with the depth of emotion you're able to tie to that intention as well now with your dad.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

It was it was emotional. I mean, look, you know, Michael, so there were a few things that were that were happening. First of all, Saturday afternoon, literally the afternoon before we saw this this movie, my daughter was dancing in the living room. Uh, I've never seen her move like that. And and and it was just this beautiful, ecstatic flow dance to like whatever music we were playing. We're always playing music in the house. I'd never seen her move like that. And then all of a sudden, I'm watching this young Michael Jackson at eight years old or you know, ten years old, whatever. Look just like my daughter that afternoon. And she's never seen Michael dance, she's certainly never seen him as the Jackson 5 as a kid dance. Like, that's not part of her purview. Like, and I was like, I said to my epac, I was like, Harmony was dancing like that today. And she's like, I know that's like the same moves, it was it was just uncanny, right? And I didn't and I didn't even place it because I hadn't been thinking about Michael Jackson, and that's not part of it. It just wasn't wild. And and that got me emotional. And then I started thinking about my dad dancing at my bar mitzvah when I was a kid, and and the moves that he had were very Michael Jackson-esque, and and that got me emotional, right? Like, you know, it was just this beautiful state of of recognition of the impact that MJ has had on my life. And and I was a dancer as a kid, I danced at weddings, bar mitzvahs, I emc'd parties, like, I mean, I was that was that was my world, five parties a weekend. Uh Friday night to Saturday, two Sunday. Um, you know, that was that was my that was my world for a long time. So like, and my my wife also. Coincidentally, uh 10 10 years after I did it, my wife was was doing the same thing when we met. Um, it was kind of it was kind of cute. We sat down at at one of our first dinners that we were getting to know each other, and she was kind of like being a little bashful, and I was like, Well, are you all right? And she's like, Well, I have something I need to tell you, and I'm like, Well, what's up? She's like, I dance on the weekends, and I'm like, Oh, really? Like, that's interesting. Like, where do you dance? And she's like, weddings and bar mitzvahs, and I'm like, No way, I used to do that too. You know, it's just kind of funny. Um, it was very funny. And then here's my daughter dancing like Michael Jackson. And anyway, I just kept it was this beautiful moment, and it was exactly what I needed with everything that I have going on. I I needed that emotional release. I I literally said to my buddy Ben, who came over that afternoon, and we were just kind of talking and checking in on like all the things that I got going on, and and I was like, I just need to go to the desert and cry, man. And he was like, Cool, when do you want to go? And I was like, Soon, like, like, like real soon, like tomorrow. And uh, and then I had this emotional experience at the movie theater, and and I got out and I was like, I feel great. And he pecked was like, Craig was balling the entire time, like not in a bad way, like in like almost like a proud way of like, you know, Craig got the experience he needed. Because on the way to the on the way to the movie, I was like, hey, I I'm not I'm not well. I need it, my cup wasn't overflowing. And and I needed to take care of myself, and I knew it. And and this goes back to we were just talking last week, and I was in the middle of all this, right? This is something that's very relative for me, it's very personal for me, and I know it's something that's very relative for every single person that's listening right now, because that's what life looks like. And last week was one of those weeks where I wasn't getting enough sleep. I knew I had a lot going on, situations were just compounding on each other, and and something was gonna break, and and I was just hoping it wasn't me. And on Saturday night, I was like, I just need to release all this energy, and uh and I got it through a Michael Jackson movie. Ceremony happens in weird places, just gotta be ready for it, or not ready for it, and just roll with it when it comes.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Yeah, that's such a beautiful point. And I'm so glad you illustrated it with that story because you know, early on, I think I thought too, it needs to look like crying in the desert or retreat in Italy or whatever it is, and have learned that whatever you need, life will give you right where you are. Uh, and that's beautiful and that's okay. And I just love the vibration and movement. I think the part you illustrated so well is what makes us human. It's leaning into the humanity of it all, and that's that those things create a story for us, and uh and that's what creates the emotion, our unique experience, because vibration and sound is everywhere, the whole universe is existent because of vibration and sound, right? But when you use that, and then through your unique consciousness and your unique experiences, it kind of played a story. I had a vision in a ceremony once because I played the piano since I was little. I'm classically trans. Awesome.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Yeah, thanks. It's really so jealous.

SPEAKER_04 36:33

It's really awesome.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Greg last night, one of my really good friends in this neighborhood was like, Do you want to come to my recital? I've been working on something for two years. And I had kind of an experience like yours last night. And I was like, Oh, sure. I know she's been taking some lessons. I don't know her that well. We're new friends. Um, and so I went to support her, thinking some other people would be playing. It was 90 minutes of her playing. Uh, Beethoven concertos and Chopin and all of these things. She's an accomplished, way higher than I am, classical pianist. She's been working for two years to put on this concert. And I just sat there and kind of balled and listened to this classical music for a little bit over an hour before I had to go. And I was like, I had no idea what I was walking into. Um, but that for me, what I saw it was so beautifully illustrated by your story when I was in a vision and you know, the 88 keys on the piano were shown to me as our life experiences. So all of those points of interest or experiences were laid onto the piano for you. Everybody, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

That's a lot. Yeah, not the keys. I mean, that's a lot of life experience. Like, that's a lot of perspective. That could be overwhelming.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

I think it's infinitely more than that. I think it's 88 billion. But what I was shown was when there's something important that the universe needs to close the loop on for you or for your soul's learning, what happens is a song will be played from those. Like when you went to Michael Jackson, it was like this key of your daughter plus the movie, plus your feelings, plus your dad, plus his plus his health problems. It's like the universe is playing these beautiful melodies and songs. And if there's keys missing, right? A lot of times we don't know why we're having these experiences. As a kid, maybe you didn't know why you were dancing at Bar mitzvah's or you love Michael Jackson. But when we're willing to surrender and fully have those experiences in our life, we're just adding more keys to the piano. And then I saw the universe just playing melodies and songs. And my point is that is what sets us apart. That's the beauty, that's what makes us human, is that you can lift out these themes, these meaning making, right? Close these loops. And the cool, the coolest thing about classical music and why they say, especially like handles water music or something is healing for your brain, or you want to listen to it, you probably know this, right? On the vibroacoustic tables, or while you're doing your work, is uh you want to listen to a piece that closes those loops, closes the thirds, the fifths, comes and sets you back down, right? Not the minor.

SPEAKER_04 39:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

So I also love that you mentioned the minors because it's part of it, it's part of the music. And if ceremonia didn't take you through that, and most like the Beethoven piece she played last night was the second longest one he's ever written. It takes 30 minutes to play through four movements, nine pages long. And it takes you through the closing the loops, and then it takes you down to like dunno, you know, all the minor stuff. But look, like what you said, ceremonia isn't complete without that. Because if you don't rerectify, bring back into harmony, if you are you don't go to the dissonance to break up and fix and elevate.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

Part of breaking the pattern, to your point.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Yeah, then you can't set someone back down, you can't just keep playing, you know, C-E-G, C E G, and people are like, okay, that feels nice, but you'll never elevate.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

Look, it's not all roses and rainbows.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

In anybody's life, period. Yeah. Uh my wife, my wife is a 25-year first chair violinist, by the way, classically trained at the Turkish Conservatory. Um we need to get we need to get the two of you together for sure. I need a piano in this house. I've been saying for years. We just have a keyboard for my daughter to play on. Like, I wanna I wanna Steinway. Anyway, that's a different conversation. That emotional experience that you walked into, that resonance that you felt with her playing the piano. And the piano is a very important instrument to me. I go to Burning Man every year, and we have a uh concert pianist, classically trained pianist. We strap him to the back of an art car, and he plugs in a keyboard to disco silent disco headsets, and we all follow him around while we're listening to him play the piano, while we're looking at Burning Man as the backdrop. It is the most emotional experience at Burning Man. We've done it, I've done it three times, four times, and it is hands down one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. And it's the power of the piano and and the the it's such a powerful instrument, especially when you when you're trained and you know how to play it. I'm pretty good at chopsticks, that's about it.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Um, but uh lead on the you have talents in other areas.

SPEAKER_04 41:26

I'd love to one day I want to play the piano, no doubt. It's definitely on my list. Uh I got lean on me at the beginning of Lean On Me. I could do that pretty well. Um, but uh but it's look, it's it's beautiful. Even my wife with the with the um with the violin, I'd love for her to play more often. And and her father is is a performance artist and he plays on a regular basis. Like it's a very musical family that I married into, and I feel very lucky for that. And and the power of music and music theory and understanding what these great composers, to your point, are doing to play on our emotions and pull on our emotions, is it's almost the cycle of life, it's almost the ebb and flow of and what they have done to captivate the audience, which is made up and comprised of human beings, and each human has their unique human experience. So, in order to captivate an entire audience, you have to captivate the individual. And each of us is going through this beautiful, wonderful, amazing first person perspective of life that has its own ebbs and flows, highs and lows. And and I used to do a lot of training in the network marketing space. I'm a 25-year, 30-year marker in that space. And it's a lot of it personal, professional growth, and personal development. And it's the part of that business that I absolutely love. Um, and and you can't, you know, they say in the business, don't get your highs get too high or your lows get too low. And that I think holds true with just about anything in life. Like you're always riding a roller coaster where it's good and it's bad and it's good and it's bad. And and when the highs get really high and it's really amazing, it's great for you to experience that and recognize it, but don't like don't let it get too high because you know you're just gonna start to go back down again. And and when you get to that low, don't get that low, it's it's good to feel those lows, but don't let that low get too low. Um, you know, and and kind of keep yourself somewhere in the middle. Um, but we're all going through that. And I think the more we recognize the and and begin to accumulate the tools that we have, uh, which for you is probably the piano and and part of it music, um, it certainly was for EPEC. I mean, she was classically trained and and every day she was playing the violin. Um, I'm sure it didn't feel like a release uh at the time, but now it's something that's very beautiful for her to enjoy. And it's a it's a a skill that she has acquired and and honed in on that's very beautiful and and wonderful. Um, and what a treat and a blessing for everybody around her that gets to listen to her play.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

That instrument that's been on my bucket list, and I've been intimidated and pause because I know the learning curve is so long for that. Like anything else, it's so beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

Yeah, but like anything else, it's just repetition. Yeah. It's simply if that's something that you want to do, then you prioritize the time and that becomes something that you do 20 minutes a day, 30 minutes a day, five minutes a day, whatever. Right?

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Everything's achievable. I feel like that's the message I keep hearing you give us is I got it. Optimize. You can you can do it. I want to say, uh, for people who aren't musical, on the lowest level, the simplest way to resonate or understand this stuff is like you know what music and sounds that you like lean towards or are attracted to. And there's a reason why people listen to things over and over and over again, right? And so you feel that it's healing you, it's doing something. And on a really high level, I wonder if you've seen all that um research. You know, it's some quantum stuff, it's vibration shape stuff. It's like um what's his name? I just lost the name that does the shapes in the sand with different resonances, uh, and the person climatics? Yeah, and the person that does like you say love to water and it's a co it makes a code. Oh, Dr.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

Emoto.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

Yamoto, yeah. Yeah. So I feel like on the highest level, there's some of that going on. The most recent stuff I read was when they're studying birds chirping, they're really more like echo-locating, and the sound of vibration is creating a picture. And I wonder if you've experienced that because I when I hear music sometimes, I see pictures, and that could also be what you're talking about, just first person, like my brain making text-to-text connections. But those pictures appear. And um, I want to know what you think about that, but I also want to know about more about what's in your ears on Inharmonies stuff. Like there's the ceremonia, but what's the method behind all that?

SPEAKER_04 46:00

Like what I just asked like three questions that I would love to dive into. No, they're all great, they're all great.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

That's actually one of the things I've been trying to do better at as a host is like, I want to just lean back and pretend like we're having a conversation, but I can hear I've heard it all through season three, where instead of asking a clear question, I ask you four things and I keep it.

SPEAKER_04 46:20

No, you just didn't ask four questions, just one, but like, but you touched on there's a few things in there that I want to touch. First of all, you mentioned birds, birds chirping. So interestingly enough, there's new science that now shows that birds chirping in the morning, crying for food is actually awakening and kicking in hormone release or the equivalent in trees, right? Like there's a this interconnectedness of the forest that I thought was really awesome. I have birds that are now springtime. I have birds that just hatched in a tree in my backyard. They are so loud. And in the evening time, like eight, nine o'clock after my daughter goes to bed and we're sitting on the couch, they are so loud screaming for food. Like it's the most beautiful thing ever. And then in the morning, we hear them through the window, double-pane windows, we hear them through the windows. And um, I mean, it's it's the most beautiful thing ever. And this beautiful song that they're singing in the morning. And then you touched on kind of the bigger question, which was uh in harmony music. So Anthony Weiss, incredibly talented musician, 25-year self-taught musician. He plays the guitar, he plays um a multitude of different instruments. And then obviously, we also have these incredible tools at our fingertips in Ableton and Logics and uh Logic and these different software packages that allow us to synthesize music as well. And they have all we have all sorts of different plugins that allow him to manipulate the voice or create, right? Like, I mean, it's it's just really incredible. So I call them Easter eggs inside our music meditations, and and anybody can experience this just right now by going to our YouTube channel and going to our extended music meditations or downloading our app and listening to it. You don't need our technology, you can listen to it with a pair of headphones, airpods, whatever. Doesn't matter. Anything. Uh the stare, the the phone on your uh speaker on your phone. And there are an incredible amount of layers that go into our music. And and I call them Easter eggs because you're not always gonna hear everything that's in there, but like you might just like catch something. Like, wait, was that like you're gonna hone in with your musical ear? You're gonna hone into things that I might not hone in on and recognize. You might recognize these melodies or the harmony. So ceremonia. Um Anthony just got this uh this joystick that he can move to move the music around in a 360 degree sphere. And and I was I almost stopped the first time I listened. There's we have we have two versions of Ceremonia out right now, 27 minutes and 63 minutes, and we're coming out of the 90-minute version. That's the next one to release. I think it comes out today, actually. And and in the 27-minute one, which was the first one to come out, I I hadn't noticed that the harmony was in one ear and the melody was in another. He was playing a guitar, and it was literally two separate recordings in in either ear. And I call it an eargasm. I I just about I just about lost it. Like I was like, what am I listening to right now? This is this it sounded like the like the if there was a focal point of the energy that I was hearing in both ears somewhere in the middle of my dome, it was like moving around and like in this 360-degree sphere of sound. And I was like, This is the most amazing! Like, is this what other people are experiencing when they're listening to this?

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Like, I actually had to say to my wife, like, hey, have you listened to ceremonia? Like, do you hear? Is it moving like inside your head? Like, and she was like, Yeah, and I was like, then it must be happening for everybody else, also. That's amazing!

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Like, but that's really cool. And what is the benefit of us hearing things like well?

SPEAKER_04 50:16

So there's something called binaural binaural beats. Um, if you're not familiar with binaural beats, binaural beats are basically one for you need headphones for it to work best because you can't have the spillover of of frequency. But binaural beats is basically um two for two different frequencies within 10 hertz of of each other, um, played through each ear specifically. So in this one, you're hearing 110 hertz, and in this one you're hearing 115 hertz. The brain then creates this harmonic third frequency, and that's what you actually hear. So you're not hearing 110 or 115, you're hearing 112.5. Um, really powerful to um, we have left hemisphere, right hemisphere of the brain, the right hemisphere controls the left side of the body, the right left hemisphere, the right side of the body. So when you do this, it harmonizes and opens up new neural pathways, and and there's a bunch of neurological uh benefits that come from listening to binaural beats. This is gonna kind of take that to the next level. Because not only are you listening to a binaural beat, but you're but you're moving the position. I mean, it literally felt like the like where I was hearing it in my head was was moving. It was just wild. I highly recommend. Download our app, it's free, 14-day trial, ceremonia.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

Um it's just so exciting because it's like a real person, this guy you got creating music with human intuition, and then you I don't know, it's just it's so talk to I talked to him three times.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

I to you know, Anthony and I talk a lot. We're we're dear friends, we perform together, we we're we're on stage together, like we've produced things together, like and we have 255 music meditations, and and we've talked about just about every one. Like, either it's an idea that came from our user group, uh, somebody who's like, hey, or some research that I found on like parasite cleansing is 728 hertz is really positive to help with cleansing parasites. All right, cool. So then I send that over to Anthony, and I'm like, I put that on our list in Monday.com of like projects, and I'm like, when you find your inspiration around 728 hertz, do some research on on its impact on parasite cleansing. And and he does, and then he tunes uh a music meditation of that and rolls out, and then and then mysteriously people call us and they're like, hey, I've I've worked this into my clonic business, or I've worked this into my detox business, and and I'm having profound results.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

That's so incredible. And that's what I was gonna ask: is there like a feedback forum to be like, hey, I work in addiction recovery? What do you have for that? Or I'd like to request this to come in the next year or two.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

Absolutely. So we have uh our telegram user group. Um, we have obviously our support inbox, and and yeah, we get we get those messages all the time. Somebody uh my buddy uh my Louis Louie Pencoast, he runs uh uh next level healthcare, and um he was like, Hey man, 111 hertz. Here's the research I'm looking at. Can you make a music meditation at 111 hertz? And I'm like, sure, we did, right? Like what did he run it for? Uh for quantum quantum healing. Uh, you know, it was again just quantum access. And he was looking at this deep research on protons and the quantum field, and and I was like, sure. So we did that. Um, we did it in uh C sharp, and and it just turned out to be this beautiful and incredible music. So music meditation. The um wow, the feedback that we get from our community. We have 11,000 app users as of uh as of the the recording and and a very active user group on Telegram. And and I read it multiple times a day where there's posts and comments and questions, and our entire team is in there to I I built this company so that I could use the music meditations, and there's people that are using it. I want their feedback, you know. Like I don't have all the ideas.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

There's so much gravity around, like you said, the authenticity and that you are this is your gift to the world.

SPEAKER_04 54:18

Have you ever thought about my gift to me, also, by the way? Like I use this stuff every single day. It's how I have impact. I have impact through you sharing this. I have impact through our clients that are using our customers that are using our technology with their clients. And and I need a reminder. Like, if you're somebody who has Inharmony technology, here's your reminder to go get on it.

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Right?

SPEAKER_04 54:40

What is it? The cobbler's son has no shoes, right? Like, like right, like we're the last ones to take care of ourselves or our family. And it's like, no, I'm telling you take care of yourself first. And look, there are plenty of times where Dominic, Dom is my business partner, he's amazing. We've been friends for 15 years, we've been together building this business for 10. And you know, Dom's got a lot going on in his life too, and I got a lot going on in my life, and we're a phenomenal reflection to one another. Of like, he'll call me and be like, hey man, I gotta talk about a couple things. And I'll be like, Cool, let's do that. When was your last sound lap session? And he'll be like, Oh man, I don't know, it's been days. And I'm like, cool, do me a favor, go catch five, 10 minutes, and then let's drop in and talk about it. And he's like, Okay. And we're not allowed to say no. We're like, right? Like, because we both know that it's like, you're probably right, I should go do that. Let me go drop in, let me go think about this, and then you're gonna be able to talk, you know, much deeper and and much more profoundly about it.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Practice powerful tool. Mm-hmm. Does In Harmony Interactive does the company uh run any events or retreats or things like that?

SPEAKER_04 55:53

Wosh, we should. And uh, I don't want to shit on myself. Uh um I'd like to, is the short answer. Um, I have been setting a pretty heavy boundary over the first four months of this year, which is no events, and I've been here building, working. I've picked up a lot of podcasts because of it, because I love to share and create. Um I'd like to put an event on the calendar probably for 2027, getting everybody together. I think that's really important. We have a huge community. They are, I think I'm I'm kind of at the center point of knowing a lot of our partners and affiliates just because of my role at the company. And I get to talk to them on a regular basis. I get to help them through uh, you know, whatever they're working on, new clients, onboarding, training their staff. Um, I'm going this afternoon to um uh uh reshape here in in Vegas. I'm gonna train their staff. Like I have this very unique perspective on this business that I've built along with Dom, but I'm the front face of it, and they're all amazing. Like I love our community. I love the people that that find us and choose to buy from us and and work with us. It's I would love, love, love, love, love, love to get all of our app users together in one space or all of our you know, owners of our technology together in one space. I think that would be I think it would be magical. We've been talking about this for a very long time. Um, and uh yes, the short answer is I'd like to, I'd like to do that. I think that'd be brilliant and beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 57:32

That'd be cool. Everyone would just vibrate, right?

SPEAKER_04 57:36

Yeah, Anthony making music. You know, we'd have him like set up with a little recording studio where he's like making catching recordings of people's voices and mantras and yeah, getting people involved in what we're doing. Yeah, we've we've we've held a pretty solid vision for what that might look like. We just simply haven't put it to to you know to to happen yet, but it's it's coming.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

Well, I love that. And I love I love the reminder, and like we talked about in the first episode, that the base and foundation of everything is the vibration and the sound, and and everyone finds it, especially if you start entering this journey, it's not too long before someone ends up in in music. So I'm grateful for what you've created and the level that you and your company are taking it to. It's really cool. Um, before we end, here's my here's my last question. I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_04 58:29

Going for another hour. So it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 58:31

I know. But I do have one. This is the question I love to end on. And it's just like specifically to you as Craig Goldberg, if there is one thing on your heart, like one message, one thing that you're like, wow, I just really want to channel drop and say this thing, and it doesn't even have to be about the subjects we've been talking about. Before we end, I wonder if we could request that gift.

SPEAKER_04 59:04

That's funny. Yeah, it's fantastic. Take care of yourself and and give yourself the gift of showing up in the most powerful way that you know how to show up. Give that gift to yourself and those around you. Because when you're vibrating high, when you're in your fullest capacity, when you're operating from a place of abundance and overflow and and in that peak performance, everybody around you feels it. And they will step up their performance, albeit temporarily, but they will step up their performance. And because we're all resonating with one another, we're all reflections of one another, we're all antennas picking up on the energy of the people that are around us. So when you show up in your highest and best version of yourself, and you know, again, going back to authenticity at the beginning of this conversation, right? Everybody around you will begin to show up in their highest and best version as well. And that's when magic happens. That's when teams really excel and hit things out of the park and create newness that's never been seen before, or or or do things that that just a well-oiled machine can knock out and get done. So that can be with your family, that can be with your friends, that can be with whatever, right? Do what you need to do to show up in the best version of yourself. Whether that's sound, vibration, meditation in harmony products, great. But if it's our music that helps, awesome. But if it's something else, I don't know if it's a playlist, if it's if it's Jim Morrison, if it's Britney Spears, whatever. I don't know. Whatever the music is that gets you going, whatever the experience is that gets you going, whatever you need to do to take care of yourself, give yourself and those around you the gift of showing up in your fullest and brightest potential and see what happens. Try it, you know, get after it and take care of yourself so that you can show up in that capacity and see what happens to your life and see what happens to the people around you. Look, some people you might push away, that's okay. Some people might not be able to handle it, that's okay. The ones that can, and the ones that resonate, and the ones that pull towards you, and the ones that want to upgrade and up level, those are the people you want around you anyway. And um I've noticed that with myself when I show up in my highest and best version of myself what that does to the people around me, and my daughter and my wife who's super empathetic, compassionate. Figure out what that is for yourself and give yourself that gift of of showing up in your highest and best good.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

Thank you. That felt really personal. I needed to hear that. So I hope other people got that too. That is that's great. Thank you so much, and thank you for being here again. And I'm gonna tag all of Craig's stuff. Um, he's on all the social medias, in harmony. I noticed a lot of them say in harmony interactive, but mostly just thank you for sharing your heart and your energy in this format that's gonna last forever. So never so excited. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

I know I love it. I'm so grateful for part two.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

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