M&A Moves in Ad Tech with Mary Matyas

Mary Matyas has spent twenty-five years moving across every layer of the digital media ecosystem — from operating leadership at Criteo, The Trade Desk, and MediaMath, to the deal table as COO and Managing Partner at Ironbound Group, a boutique M&A advisory firm specializing in FinTech, AdTech, and MarTech. What sets her apart from most advisors: she's been the operator on the other side of the table.

In this episode, Mary unpacks what the Publicis acquisition of LiveRamp could mean for identity, RampID, and the future of "neutral" data infrastructure. She breaks down how platforms like Meta are pushing advertisers toward open targeting and message-first strategies, why better creative works with modern algorithmic delivery rather than against it, and what acquirers actually look for when evaluating ad tech and martech businesses. Plus: a firsthand look at the Criteo/Hook Logic integration, the retail media consolidation coming, the creator economy's missing infrastructure, and where AI is actually moving the needle.

Episode Highlights

• What the Publicis/LiveRamp deal really signals — what a $2B acquisition tells us about the future of identity, RampID, and whether "neutral" data infrastructure can survive inside a holding company.
• Open targeting and the creative imperative — how Meta and other platforms are nudging advertisers away from tight audience controls, and why message-first creative is the new competitive advantage.
• The M&A playbook from both sides of the table — what strategic buyers and private equity look for differently when evaluating ad tech, martech, and agency businesses, including the role of leadership and culture.
• Why earnouts don't have to be a trap — the structural conditions that make earnouts a feature rather than a fight waiting to happen.
• Criteo and Hook Logic as a retail media origin story — a firsthand account of integration friction that ultimately helped define an entire category.
• The creator economy's unfinished business — why measurement, contracts, and brand safety remain the missing infrastructure holding the space back.
• Where AI is actually delivering — why the real impact is showing up in data quality, fraud detection, and supply path optimization rather than in replacing authentic creative voice.

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Transcript

A Practical Definition Of Influence

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Will somebody make a better decision after a conversation they've had with you? Right? Will they be able to answer that question or answer a problem that they're struggling with in a better way because they know you and you've talked about something? So the reason it can influence founders that are nervous about an exit is that I've been in the trenches when it's gone right and I've been in the trenches when it's gone wrong. So let's have those conversations and let's avoid any landmines.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

But I am really excited to share this conversation that I had with today's guest, who has spent 25 years at the intersection of ad technology and marketing technology and digital media. She has sat really in nearly every seat there is at the table, which is why I think she has such a great perspective. This is Mary Matt Yas. She is the COO and managing partner at Ironbound Group, which advises founders on MA. And she's got this really rare advantage of having been an operator on the other side of the table, but also now is helping advised founders as they are thinking about acquisitions. Because of the timeliness of the conversation, we talked a bit about the publicis acquisition of LiveRamp and what it means. Mary has spent time at places like the Trade Desk and Critio. So she really understands the ad and the marketing technology business and what's happening in retail media. We talk about how Meta is pushing advertisers towards open targeting and message first strategies. We talk about what acquirers are looking for when they're thinking about buying ad tech and agency companies. We also get a bit of the inside story of Critio's acquisition of Hook Logic and how that really transformed Critio into a retail media powerhouse. We cover so much in this conversation. I think you will want to have a pen and paper handy or your notes app handy to take some notes. We get into the deals that are reshaping the industry, where retail media is headed, and what smart acquirers are looking for in the creator space. And finally, how AI is finally solving problems that the industry has been talking about for a decade. I think this episode is jam-packed. I hope you enjoy hearing it as much as I enjoyed having it with the wonderful Mary Matthews. With that, we're going to jump right into it. Here we go.

What Ad Tech Actually Does

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Mary, welcome to the show. Oh, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to talking with you. You've got some amazing experience that I think will give our audience such an in-depth understanding of the media space in a way that maybe they haven't heard before. And with that, I want to start my first question by asking you you've spent a couple of decades in an industry that most people can't really explain at a dinner party. So how would you describe what you do?

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The dinner party thing still is a little stumps me a little bit. But so I work in right now an investment banking firm, but my industry is ad tech. And ad tech, what I tell people is it's the infrastructure that decides which ads you see, when you see it, and whether it worked, right? The measurement. And so in my role, I help ad tech companies really sell themselves. So I do MA to the sell themselves to the right buyer at the right time for the right price, right? And so everyone feels good about the deal. So that's what I do.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

So you're now on the MA side, but before that, you spent years working as an operator. Can you talk a little bit about that switch going from the operator role to the MA side?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Yeah, no, it's definitely not one that happens every day. For me, I was an operator for a very long time at agencies in ad tech, different kinds of technology companies. And I was working, I was working at a company called Media Math closely with the PE company that had funded us. And I was like, I really like this. This is really interesting. I like going upstream and understanding the overall business and giving them what they need and being involved with potential acquisitions, with making sure they understand. And I ended up having a few informational interviews with people at investment banking firms. I was also interested in potentially being an operating partner to a PE firm, but ultimately I got an opportunity where I was asked to be the COO of a boutique investment banking firm. And I was there a very short time. That's my current role, before going to before they asked me to really run the ad tech and Martech vertical and build that out for them and really be on the front lines

Publicis, LiveRamp, And Identity

SPEAKER_01 5:33

there. So that's how I ended up in this. And I really like it.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about ad tech and Martech so that people understand what that is. So maybe you can start with an example. And I know there's one that is in the news now, Publicist, which is one of the largest or the largest holding advertising agency holding firm. They just announced a $2 billion, I believe, acquisition of LiveRamp. They're a bit more on the data side, but you know, still in that same ad tech world, right? Can you talk a little bit maybe about your perspective on that acquisition? What does it mean that Publis has just acquired LiveRamp?

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Yeah, I mean, I think it's unexpected and frankly smart that they bought this behemoth. LiveRamp has something called ramp IDs that are very important to the overall ecosystem of ad tech. And they are they need to be neutral, right? And so one agency holding company owning that is very unexpected, but also really smart. When I was part of Publicis, they were the current CEO, Arthur Sedun, was just starting to build sort of the picks and shovels of the data business as the expertise around data. And in 2019, they bought Epsilon. And so that was a big data company and a big sort of stake in the ground for them to be the experts of data. And data is really what ad tech and advertising runs on. You want to get to the right audiences, you want to measure everything. And so this acquisition, it's quite huge. While Publicis has sort of risen to the top of the agency hold companies, hold coasts, while others have withered a little bit. It is definitely making them strong and a force to be reckoned with in the overall ecosystem around advertising. I think it is a bold move, and we'll see if clients of LiveRamp have have issues with it, they need to address a number of things, but I think they will and take the challenges as they come.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yeah. So just for those who may not be as familiar, these ramp IDs, my sort of more rudimentary understanding is in terms of being able to follow a customer along in terms of where they are, and maybe this is like a Walmart customer, let's say, and now you want to target them, but you don't you can't target them specifically as a person because as an individual, because you're not allowed to have that identification to say, oh, this is like Aliza Freud, this is who she is. But you could have an ID of me that you sort of follow through and are able to connect the dots. What Ramp ID, what Live Ramp is able to do, is do that for people so that they are able to see much more closely. Are we targeting our customer? And is that converting into a sale when we're targeting that customer? Is that sort of a exactly sedimentary way to say it from somebody who is not it totally ingrained in that in that?

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yeah, no, that was very good. That was very good. Yes, that that is essentially what they provide, and it is just so vital to the overall ecosystem.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

When I read your LinkedIn perspective on the acquisition, um, I was thinking to myself, so much of what's going on right now when you're dealing with the social platforms, because she speaks, we get the creator content, which is obviously required in order to do everything else we do. But once we get creator content, it's really this the phase of figuring out how do you place that content from a paid perspective so that you're converting as much as possible. And because we do so much in the shopper world, we have to be able to show a very direct correlation between the ads that we're placing and a conversion to a sale. So when I think though, about how the social platforms are working, and you think about Meta as an example, Meta is increasingly encouraging advertisers who use the platform to run ads, to run paid ads, to limit the targeting as much as possible and focus more on messaging. And I will tell you, it depends on what you know about your customer, about your shopper, let's say. But when you can get the right persona or the right concept, the right message nailed down in your content, and then you can have varied messaging. So you might have one product, but you come up with three different message benefits, right? That would appeal to different groups. So maybe I'm like a busy mom who's looking for a snack on the go for my kid, and that's what's most important to me. But maybe someone else is for that same snack looking for a healthy snack, and there's a healthy benefit. So you want to have a message about health, right? What we're finding is that the more you get smart about those different message benefits, the different concepts and having different benefits in the messaging, the better you're gonna be at having success on the back end with who gets served it, who gets served that ad, how do they respond to it and getting an actual real result, meaning I've decided to put that into my cart and I'm gonna go buy it. And so it's interesting that we have this real push on IDing customers, IDing shoppers, but then you've got the social platforms that are saying, hey, stop focusing too much on demographics and targeting of the person of the individual and focus more on your message. Have you seen any of that?

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah, I mean, that's sort of the difference between earned ROI versus paid advertising, right? So you want to go broader when it's content driven, but when you know specifically that you want dog owners, female, 39, you know, 30 to 39, and who live in this geographic area, that's a different type of advertising where you really want to get the ROI out in a very specific way, where you have influencers and content, content creators who are giving broader messages and connecting sort of one-on-one with people through their messaging. It's important for the messaging to be clear, but yes, you need to be more opportunistic than with a paid campaign as opposed to an earned campaign.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Yeah, and just to clarify, this is for a paid. What we're doing is we're taking the content that may be may have been posted on the influencer's platform on their handle, but then taking it and creating ad units out of it, and then pushing those ad units, and what Meta in particular is really pushing is less and less demographic targeting and more and more open targeting, but where they are are saying that they can figure out based on the message and the content who serve it up to. It's better because what's happening is, and my perspective on this is that you need both. You need really strong messaging to appeal to the target audience. So you have to have the right benefit-driven message in your content to appeal to that audience. Yeah, that makes perfect sense because it's gonna be a more authentic message, it's gonna be a better connection. So

A Career Built By Collecting Lanes

SPEAKER_00 14:01

I want to talk a little bit, if we can, about take a step back in terms of thinking about your career more broadly. You've been described as somebody who collected lanes instead of picking one. And I love that. I love that phrase. Was that intentional or did that just appear like your strategy in hindsight?

SPEAKER_01 14:20

It definitely was not intentional. It's so funny. I had an employee who said to me, Why don't you do what you went to school for? And I went to a hotel school, so I never really spent any time in the hotel hospitality industry. But he went to school for digital advertising. That wasn't really open. That wasn't a thing when I went to school. So I thought it was funny. But for me, each move that I made, and I started in sales, and then I moved to consulting, and then I worked for a big brand, and then I started up a production agency, then I went to advertising agencies, and ad tech came out of that, and now investment banking. So for me, each thing really felt like the right thing at the time. It was all sort of something that I was curious about and somewhat adjacent to what I was doing. So I felt like I could do a good job at it. None was a complete 80. I just grabbed onto the things in my role that I wanted to use in the next role and moved into adjacent things. What I didn't realize until I was at Ironman is that each of these experiences was giving me a different lens on how value is created and how it's destroyed in a company, right? And these patterns are really visible in hindsight because yeah, you could see the things that went wrong, the things that went right, and guide I guide my customers to do things based on that track record.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Yeah, I love that way of thinking about it. And I agree about how each experience kind of helps you round out your perspective in terms of how you're looking at it.

What Acquirers Want In A Deal

SPEAKER_00 16:09

So, given your role right now from an MA perspective, what are some of the key things that maybe if somebody from an agency is listening from one of the ad agencies or ad tech firms, what do you think is important for them to know about what acquirers are thinking about as it relates to the industry, to their industry?

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Yeah, I guess there's nothing hard and fast about what acquirers want. There are many different acquirers, many different categories. There's strategic acquirers, there are PE companies, there are PE companies that just want to buy and hold forever and keep the management team in place. There are others who want to get real value and sell off in a three years. There are strategics who want leaders in place for a long time. They're really at like an aqua hire. They're buying that leader along with the company. So when you're thinking about selling as a founder or as an operator, it's there's a lot of different options. It doesn't mean someone's going to come in and fire you, or there's a lot of different ways structurally that you can put a deal together as well. In some cases, there are earnouts. So you can actually, if an acquirer buys you, they could infuse a lot of cash, put in efficiencies, meaning add marketing budget, add technology, and then an earnout could continue to give you money for three plus years after that on a much higher revenue business. So there's a lot of different ways that things can be structured that can be right for a seller. And I counsel people that you don't have to say yes to anything that doesn't feel right with you. We can find you the right buyer, and it's not going to be this terrible thing where you lose control if you don't want to lose control. There's other people who want to sail off into the sunset and never think about their job again and just take their money and move on. And that's a different kind of buyer.

How Hook Logic Changed Criteo

SPEAKER_00 18:21

So you were at Critio right after their $250 million acquisition of Hook Logic and had to scale retail media across the Americas. What was that like? You know, the truth is it was messy.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

You had on one side a French tech company where all of the product people, a lot of the people went to the same polytech university in France, right? They're there the way they developed product, they the way they thought about technology was kind of uniform in some cases. And they acquired a bunch of scrappy, sales-focused, I'll call them cowboys and cowgirls, who were very good at getting revenue, landing the deal, putting money in the company's pocket and putting money in their own pocket and very commission-driven. So it was different, right? But I mean, in this case, the acquires distribution can either accelerate or suffocate what they bought, right? At Credio, they had to protect the innovation and the culture that made Hook Logic worth $250 million in the first place. And when I joined, there was a COO at CRIDIO that that knew that. She identified that and they wanted to keep it, keep it sort of a separate entity for a while. And it was interesting because during the first three years after the acquisition, the core business was sort of faltering with the cookies changes that were happening and was a little less strong than the Hook Logic business was small, but it really now we think of Critio as a retail media business. And it was Hook Logic that was the first retail media acquisition that that really made that happen. And at the time of the acquisition, it was, I think when I was there, it was only 10% of the business. And now it's really the a very huge part of the business for CRDO. So it didn't.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

That's a successful integration. It more often than not does not go that way, right? It does not necessarily go that way where an acquisition becomes such a huge part of the business moving forward. But if you think about it too, I know we were talking about this before we went live. I was just talking to a retail media network recently. And when they told me they were coming up against Critio in terms of selling, I was floored because it's not what I knew of Critio. I didn't realize that they were coming in and selling against the retail media networks. But in some ways, because of the variety of what they can offer as a solution for a manufacturer for a brand, they have a leg up on any one particular retail media network, right? Yeah. It's a huge advantage.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

It is a huge

Where Retail Media Is Headed

SPEAKER_01 21:20

advantage. And there are some obvious huge, there's Amazon, there's Walmart, there's some really big ones. And I think in the future there's going to be consolidation because a lot of companies have tried to follow some of the large, they look at Amazon and say, we can do that. And some of the smaller players, just because they have retail and a brand name doesn't mean that they have the structural advantage to be a retail media network. And that's happened a lot. But I think one of the keys is if you have a loyalty program and you're smaller, you may need to focus on your core business. It happened to Bed Bath and Beyond, right? They went out of business because they weren't focusing on their core business. And becoming being a retailer and then becoming a technology company, building or even buying and operating a really hard tech stack is not your core business. And certainly not putting together a media sales force. You have people selling products. It's really different to build a sales force to sell media on your on your site and in a network setting.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Yeah. If you're so you've watched my next question, is a good lead-in from what you just said. You've watched the retail media space evolve. And from really from that inside perspective and also seeing how deals get done. Where is the retail media space? Do where do you think it's headed? And is it overhyped?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Yeah, well, I retail media is it's gonna thrive where first party data, where there's first party data, like closed loop systems where you log in and they know exactly who you are. You search for denim, then you really want to buy denim, right? That's a great signal. So retail media is right there, understanding what people are looking for when they're searching on a retailer's site. So those purchase signals are really clear. I think it's headed to again, like these big companies that have done that well have a real structural advantage, like the big ones. And I do think it's headed towards consolidation. In terms of overhyped, again, not everyone can do this. Not everyone should be a retail media network. And Critio is a consolidator, right? You can go to Critio and they can manage your retail media network. There's another company called PEVIL that'll help you with your tech stack. So there are some tools that'll give an advantage, but yeah, the number of companies trying to spin out retail media is beyond what there's capacity for, I'd say.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Do you see in the future that maybe some of these companies that are trying to build out, some of the retailers that are trying to build out their own retail media networks will eventually just say, you know what, we're gonna just go to a consolidator like Critio because this is a lot of overhead. It's a lot of not enough juice for the squeeze in the sense that, you know, what's yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

So I would say a factor to look at whether a company should go into retail media on their own is are you as a retailer a line item in a media plan, right? Are people in the agencies or people developing media plans putting you in their plan? If they are, then you know you can go for that budget directly. If they're not, if they're just saying sprinkle it around this category, you're probably going to get eaten up in the consolidation that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Okay, that's a really interesting way to think about it. So Walmart, probably a line item. Amazon, yeah, probably a line item. But how many others? Yeah, Target Macy's, they're big. Target Macy's, okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

But not every retailer's on that list, huh? No, not everyone. And not everyone's on the list. The big ones. And it depends what category you're in, right? If you're an electronics company, then you're gonna put Best Buy on there, right? And you may put Target on there, you may put Macy's on there, but you're not gonna, you're probably not gonna put some of the smaller, smaller hardware brands on there.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Interesting. All right. That is such a smart way to think about it. I don't think I've ever heard it so succinctly described. So thank you for that. So

Creator Tools Buyers Will Pay For

SPEAKER_00 26:01

thinking about the creator and influencer space a little bit and how it's now a core channel for brands. Does the business infrastructure actually match that momentum?

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yeah, I mean, not yet, I guess is the short answer. So far, measurement isn't really that consistent, contracts aren't standardized, and brand safety is still manual. So platforms have grown faster than these tools, and these tools are really important, right? And I measure everything in my personal life, probably because I measure everything in my work life. So I've got my devices, right? So that is just the way of thinking when you're in advertising. You need to measure everything. So the platforms have grown faster than the tools, and the companies that I'm looking for acquisition that are the companies that are solving these issues, and and they're real acquisition targets for agencies and for networks. So again, like measurement contracts and brand safety, like those are the key drivers, I would say.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

So there's a lot of money chasing the creator platforms right now. What separates the companies that are building something real from those just riding the wave? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

I mean, I think that's a great question. Probably three things I'd say. So retention, do the creators stick around? Do they stay with the brand? Are they there? Are they building something up? Are they going to continue to build that up in terms of the audience and the the value? I keep saying this word, but measurement. Can they prove ROI to the CMO that hired them? Like how to improve that and being able to answer that question is is really important. And infrastructure. So another thing that I look at with founders is how hard is it to knock off what they've built? Is there a moat around what they've built? Can anyone build it? Can they build it in-house? Is there somebody champing it a bit to get their share, right? And if the answer is no, we have been scraping data for five years and no one else has this, then that's great. But that type of infrastructure is important.

AI, Fraud, And Real Measurement

SPEAKER_00 28:21

So AI is changing every part of media and marketing. Where do you think it will have the biggest real impact?

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Yeah, this is the big scary question. So I would say not creative. We already talked about how authentic voices really reel people in and people connect with that. We need that authenticity and we need creative thinking to drive AI, right? Maybe it's AI generated, but you need people to help with that and just refine it with AI. But the biggest impact will be in data and measurement. I have a client right now who's transforming the supply chain transparency, right? So people have been asking about SPO for a long time, and there really hasn't been the data to fuel, to answer those questions of supply chain. So fraud has been an issue, a serious issue since 2014. And now AI can come in and bring the data, bring the measurement, bring the, you know, track the supply path, track the email, track how many hops are happening that brands are paying for when they're dealing with the DSP. And are they getting their money's worth? Really exciting time for me to see these questions that I've been asking for so long.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

And another timely sort of news element is the trade desk, right? And what's been happening as it relates to the concerns related to fraud. And it's an industry issue. I mean, the trade desk was just an example, right? It's an industry issue. And obviously, it's something that is very much on the minds of brands and marketers, right? That are advertisers that are spending a ton of money. I still remember back in the day, and you'll appreciate this because we both overlapped at our time at American Express, but I remember the chief marketing officer, John Hayes, saying, I know that we are wasting 50% of our budget, if only I knew which 50%. Exactly. And this is, he said this years ago. And the fact that in today's day and age, we're still living at a time with the technological advancements that we've had since he said this probably somewhere in the early 2000s, right? That we are still living in a world 20 some odd years later, where people are still not sure what part of their advertising and marketing budget is being wasted.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Like we can see things that I never thought we'd be able to see through AI. And the brands deserve to have their marketing budgets sold and you know, utilized in a way that they get the most value for it. And it we're getting there. Again, optimize, optimize, optimize. And there are these small companies popping up that are able to do this, and where they land, the buyer will get great advantages, assuming they can roll it out in the right way. Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

All right, my last question for you.

Closing Thoughts And How To Connect

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Since our podcast is called Women of Influence, what does influence mean to you?

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Oh gosh, I think that it's not like how many followers or how much money you make, right? Influence is really will somebody make a better decision after a conversation they've had with you, right? Will they be able to answer that question or answer a problem that they're struggling with in a better way because they know you and you've talked about something? So the reason I can influence founders that are nervous about an exit is that I've been in the trenches when it's gone right and I've been in the trenches when it's gone wrong. So let's have those conversations and let's avoid any landmines.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

I love that. And I love that you use the word conversation because I think in this day and age, with the way that we communicate digital being such a strong way that we communicate, it really is about conversations. It really is about a back and forth and not just like this one-way communication that maybe sometimes people think, oh, an influencer is having this conversation, but really it's just a one-way. I think most good influencers are actually having conversations with their audience. And that's why, because it's a constant feedback loop, they understand more about their audience than probably the brand manager who's hiring them to talk about their product.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

I mean, it's that's why they're so valuable because they're in touch, they're getting comments, they're getting feedback. Otherwise, they're not great at what they do. They have to. Same with product people, they need to be out there and listening to the feedback and understanding what people want and what problems you're solving. But yeah, it is a conversation for sure. And that's the human element that can't be taken over by a bot.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Yeah. Well, Mary, thank you so much for spending this time with us. There's so many great kernels of things that you dropped in here that I can't wait for people to hear this. If you, if people wanted to follow you, learn more about what you're doing, what is the best way for them to do that?

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn, Mary Matyus. My company is Ironbound Group, ironboundgroup.com, and I'm happy to connect with people that way or through our website. That would be terrific. And thank you very much for having me. I love your podcast.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Oh, thank you. Pleasure having you.