What Is Prana? Trauma Healing, Nervous System & Breaking Bad Habits | Anya Lewis

What if the patterns you can’t break… aren’t about willpower at all?
What if your body is protecting you in ways you don’t even realize?

Some conversations don’t just inform you… They slow you down long enough to feel what you’ve been carrying.

In this episode, I sit down with Anya Lewis, founder of Angel Wears Prana, to explore trauma healing, nervous system regulation, intuition, and the deeper patterns that quietly shape our lives.

With over 25 years in beauty, massage therapy, and corporate wellness, Anya shares how working with the body reveals what people don’t say out loud—fear, shame, grief, and the emotional patterns that keep repeating.

We talk about:
✨ What prana (life force energy) really means
✨ Why so many people live disconnected from their bodies
✨ The hidden forms of trauma that still impact your nervous system
✨ Why numbing behaviors like drinking continue—even when we want to stop
✨ What actually helps you break patterns and create lasting change
✨ Simple ways to start healing (meditation, body awareness, and nervous system support)

If you’ve ever felt stuck in cycles you can’t explain, this conversation will meet you where you are.
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Transcript

Welcome And Why Trauma Matters

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of Women Like Me Stories and Business. I'm your host, Julie Fairhurst. We're gonna have a really good conversation today. This is going to be super interesting. So I hope you all hang in for it because you're gonna learn something and you're gonna learn some good stuff. So let me introduce our guest today, and then we will just dive right in. So some women just don't walk through life, they feel it, and they see what's not being said, and they are able to hold space for others who are afraid of what they may need to face. And sometimes that kind of presence isn't something you're taught, it's something you become through what you've lived. And so today I'm sitting down with Anna Lewis, and she is the woman behind the angel wears Prana. Now, oh, Prana. Now she's going to explain to us what that word means. With over 25 years in the beauty and wellness industry, from a nail technician to massage therapist at a Disney resort to the wellness coach of a corporate level, Anna has spent decades working with people, listening and observing to understand what sits beneath the surface. So today we're going to talk about trauma. We're going to talk about the spiritual path and what it really takes to break patterns that keep showing up in our lives. So this is going to be so helpful for so many of us. This is a conversation about awareness and healing and learning to meet yourself honestly. So welcome, Anna. Thank you so much for being here. Did you want to share a little bit about yourself? Yes.

unknown 1:58

Yes.

Prana And Reading What Is Hidden

SPEAKER_00 1:59

And it's Anya. Anya. Anya, thank you. That's okay. Yes. I have been in the wellness beauty industry for my entire career. I didn't realize how I didn't think when I was younger, I didn't even believe in God, to tell you the truth. I didn't know. I had to contemplate it in my 20s. Um, I grew up in Minnesota in a suburb, and we went to church and I really didn't like it. And eventually my mom didn't make me go anymore. And uh for me, that was the way to go because I needed to see things the way I needed to see them. I have had a very difficult path in my life. Looking back, I know that I was guided to go into massage school after college, after graduating, to heal myself. But you know, things have moved so quickly in the healing space that you could not even have told me that that was the reason I was going to massage school. I would have had no awareness of that. But through doing manicures, pedicures, spa treatments, I started really, you know, the work of working with other people and feeling energy. It wasn't as big as a, you know, a movement as it is now. And I really didn't pay a lot of attention to it because I was just living a life. I was doing the massages. You get better, you know, the longer you do it. And I also didn't understand that I was channeling energy when I was doing the massage. So I had no idea I was doing all these fantastic things. I just thought I was going to work and paying bills.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Wow. Wow. Interesting. Can you tell us for all of us who who don't know what the word prana means? Prana.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

I use the word prana when I mean life force energy. A lot of people refer to prana as breath or the breath work or the energy of life that we breathe in and breathe out. It can be explained many different ways, but usually it is people in the martial arts field or yoga or something like that that are using the term prana.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Got it. Well, thank you for clarifying that for us. Okay, well, I'm curious about something because you spent 25 years closely working with people. So can you tell me what have those years taught you about human behavior that most of us miss?

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Oh, there is a lot. There is a lot that most people are missing. And I would say I began learning this when doing massage because people who come in for massages are getting very, very vulnerable. And I guess it didn't bother me because I already worked with people in spas and I was already comfortable working with people after a few years of that. But people do, and because of the way our society works, they keep a lot of things hidden. We live on a very not deep, you know, just very surface level with people. There's a lot of a lot of fears hiding in people that they didn't that they don't know. I didn't know them until I took my spiritual journey. I could feel a lot of things in people's bodies that they had no idea was there. And just I got really good at it where I could even just put my hands on somebody and feel exactly where their spots are. And I started basically being an investigator in that job because when you're in a dark room and you can't really see anything and you're not talking that much, yes, you start listening in a different way. I tended to somehow, I didn't do this on purpose, but I open up a really non-judgmental space. You know, the ladies in the massage will be like, oh, I didn't shave my legs. And I'm like, I don't even notice. And then I would point out something like, Men don't shave their legs for massage and we're fine, you know, or you know, they have a hard time talking about, you know, do we leave the undergarments on or not? And all of that. And I just really try to create a space where listen, if you're operating in a legitimate, you know, truthfully just want your massage, uh, this is not going to be a problem. You just tell me what you want touch, what you don't want touched. But even sometimes people have a hard time saying that because of the way they were grown, the way they grew up and massage, you know, when I started back in 1998, it they still had a lot of issues with it being, you know, a sexual thing or whatever. And 90% of the time in any place I've worked or more, it's nothing to do with any of that. It's people wanting relief in a physical way, legitimately.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Oh, I was gonna you were I was gonna expand on what they're hiding. No, you go right ahead. You go ahead. Yes. People hide everything that's not socially acceptable. And it's sad because we're all struggling with a lot of the similar things, but we know the social rules, and we don't allow in society for people to have a wide variety of emotions and feelings without being judged.

When Intuition Disrupts A Career

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Ah, yeah. When did you realize that your work was becoming something deeper than just surface level?

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Well, one of the things I didn't realize it, but the signs were I was getting fired from my massage jobs because I was picking up on people's issues and saying something about it, and they would tell my boss and I would get fired. I didn't know I was psychic and reading their body energy, and it was getting frustrating because I'm like, what am I gonna do for work? This is what I do. But not once did someone say you're psychic. I didn't even know I was channeling information. And then I moved on to my other job, which was corporate wellness, and I learned a lot more there because you're verbalizing it, and you have education and a lot more. But when I I didn't want to quit that job, but I had to because it was affecting my health. Now, the thing is, a lot of highly sensitive and intuitive people they open up their energy more than an average person, and you can get really tired out and you can get something called adrenal fatigue, which doctors usually don't recognize as something, but it drains you so bad you can't get out of bed. So I ended up losing my house, and a lot of difficult things and terrible things happened that people around me would be like, Why is this stuff happening to her? She does the right things. You know, I was always solutioning or trying what the expert said, but eventually when things got really bad, my ex-husband was diagnosed with stage horror cancer and was basically told he was terminal. I had a major spiritual awakening. And I was speaking to some very, well, I wasn't even speaking, I was receiving messages from some very, very, very high spiritual places telling me about what my life is supposed to be. And I was like, I was in pure shock for six months. Wow. At the level, and they couldn't even tell me about the sort of things that I know now because uh my awareness just could not handle it.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Yeah. So it's and that was seven years ago. It has taken six to seven years of the deepest, darkest, most painful shadow work that I could ever imagine for me to understand things so so deeply. I had a lot of trauma. They say we all have a shadow, you know, like each person has the shadow side. And I didn't even realize when I wrote my book and put my picture on there that my shadow is covering most of my face.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

I saw that when I saw that when I looked your book up. I thought, oh, I love that cover. But yeah, it definitely should be.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

I had more than half of my energy covered in darkness, yeah, and that's more than an average person has. Yes. Wow.

unknown 10:12

Wow.

Defining Trauma Beyond Extremes

SPEAKER_00 10:12

I didn't know that. I didn't do that on purpose. I just felt it. I felt the day that I was taking that picture, I took it, and then it sat in my phone. And then when I came around to publishing the book and choosing a cover, that's what I chose.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Well, how do you how do you think people when we talk about trauma? Most people think of something really extreme, but trauma can be something subtle as well. So, how do you define it from your own experience?

Why Patterns Repeat And Feel Good

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Trauma is something, anything that can cause an upset in your nervous system and your feelings. Some of the trauma traumatic things that were stuck inside me were dumb things. Some of them were things that I would you would never guess as trauma. So when people are out there saying I was traumatized by this, they really are. It can be something small that just it's something that you couldn't make sense of as a child, too. We don't we have a pretty rough and unforgiving society, you know. Like if you really think about it, I mean, it took me going through all this hard stuff, getting to people who have been to hard things. The real people that know are the ones that are aren't the ones saying, yeah, work harder, they're the ones that going, oh, you learned the lesson that life is really, really harsh. You know, I had never had to come up against that before. I was a white, educated woman with children. I had never come across that kind of what life really is. And so when I started meeting people that were hearing how bad some of the experiences I had were, and they're like, that is and then they and they didn't try to change, fix, tell me I wasn't seeing or hearing or feeling things that I thought was. Then I was like, that's when it gets deeper, and you have to accept that the world really is in some ways very, very harsh and painful.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

Why do you think so many of us keep repeating the same patterns, even when we know that they're not serving us?

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Um, at first, we think it is the way we should act because society has conditioned us that way. We had to act that way to fit into society. You have to fit into society to have a job, to go to school and do societal things. And society up until recently, well, they still are harsh, but they're very, very, very, very harsh and judgmental on anyone that doesn't fit into that. Everybody who's gone through junior high school knows that, you know, and it's that time in your life when you feel judged, and some people feel it longer than others. And then it takes time to because a lot of the things that aren't good for us are fun. Yes, they give us unfortunately they give us pleasure in a harsh world. Yes, a lot of things that are not good for us are told they're fine, like socially acceptable, like drinking. Like the amount of drinking that people do and supposed to be socially acceptable, it's really not great for us. It's really not something for us. It's like you know, smoking used to be totally normal. And now I feel like drinking is is getting to be like smoking, where everyone's like, we shouldn't do that as much, and we're actually gonna change something. Um, I think we're we're growing as humans and we're more sensitive to the pain things cause. But why do we do it? Because it's fun, it's easy, and life is hard.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Yeah, no, for sure. What do you think the first step to actually breaking a pattern is instead of just becoming aware of it?

Breaking Habits With Support Systems

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Can you give me an example?

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Well, if somebody, so so let's say what would a pattern be, well, drinking. I mean, what would a pattern be that like the first step to actually breaking a pattern, whether it's smoking or drinking, or whether it's being negative all the time, or whether it's you know, whatever that living in fear or hiding or not talking, not you know, using your voice, any of those things.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Yeah, we'll use the drinking one because it's a good one and a lot of people can benefit from it. Well, even in my house, there was drinking. Drinking was very just a normal thing, it didn't get out of hand a lot of times. It's very socially acceptable, and a lot of people base their entire social life on drinking. There is, I have been pressured to drink so many times, and I drank in college, I just got sick of it and got over it. My body doesn't like it, it's a lot of money, and I didn't want the calories and the extra weight. So for me, I I got sick a few times really bad. And I can tell you, I have not had beer since 1994 because I remember how bad my hangover was. And it's just such a part of our culture, and not until enough people we we know it's bad for us too, but we always but it's it's both. It's part of our culture, and it's not that great for us. It takes a lot of self-discipline. So, usually, if a person is gonna stop that behavior, they usually have enough experiences that are bad, they get in enough legal trouble, personal trouble, health trouble. They've it's usually something bad that happens that makes someone think, okay, I've really got to do something about this for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

And then you are gonna need supportive people in your life. Because if your best friend just drinks and is fine and hasn't had any problems, you literally have to get to the point somehow in your life where you're like, I just have to cut this out of my life one way or another. And that requires a huge amount of self-discipline and a huge desire to find something else to take the place of that. Alcohol is like that because it's cheap, it's easy, you can get it all the time, it's socially acceptable and it works, it makes you feel good for a short amount of time.

Writing A Book Guided By Intuition

SPEAKER_01 16:14

For a short amount of time, that's right. Yeah. Tell us about your book.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Okay. Yeah. So I wasn't actually excited about writing a book. My intuition told me to write a book for a few years. And mind you, by the way, when I'm massaging a client, my intuition talks to me. You know, I don't need to use all of my brain power on massaging a person after doing it for five to ten years. So I can go off into another place and still give a good massage. You know, I don't have to pay attention because my hands do the work. So I got some intuitive, you know, ideas that I should write a book. And I thought, oh, okay. And I thought for months and months what I should write this book about, and nothing came to me because, you know, I'm humble in a lot of ways, and I I am a reader, so I've read plenty of self-help books and thought to myself, there's nothing for me to add. I could tell you a bunch of self-health books that would give you the same information. But then I was prompted, I met a woman at my son's baseball game who had a group on for a psychic. And for some reason, I was just really excited to go to the psychic. And she was a police, she was hired partially for doing help with police. So I'm like, oh, this is gonna be good. Yes, and so I went to her and I had a reading, and she confirmed the writing of the book, and at the end of the reading, she looked at me with her eyes in a certain way and said, You're gonna help a lot of people. And my eyes almost caught the vision that she got, and I was like, Oh my god, I would never have known that. And then I went home and I was stunned. And the next night I don't like I don't want to mention who it was, but there was a famous spiritual leader that contacted me in my DMs on Facebook, and I was stunned. I couldn't even talk, and I went to bed and I woke up the next morning and I thought, I guess I'm writing a book. So I didn't really want to. I was pushing it away because I thought it didn't matter, I thought it wouldn't be a big deal. I knew a lot of people had books, and then I had thought, I see people marketing their books all the time, and I don't really want to push myself out there like that. Like, yeah, I didn't want to do the marketing and shove myself out to audiences and beg them to listen to me. But I did start writing the book and I did have to use a lot of self-discipline. And when I came home, you know, X number of nights a week when I didn't have my children, I just got my chair and I sat down in it and kept writing and writing and writing until it was enough for an actual book. And then once that happened, I kind of left it because I wasn't really excited. I mean, I I wrote it, and then I got another client that was an editor. And I got the message, now you need to edit the book and publish it. And by that time, when these voices come, they kind of scare me sometimes because they're they're serious and they are from a very high vibration. And then I did that and published it. And I thought something, you know, I started doing marketing and all the things and I I somebody paid for me to go to a consultant. But again, she just told me things that I would have to do that I wasn't interested in spending time not getting paid doing with what else I was going on in my life. And one of the things she did was to tell me to go speak. And I'm like, I don't want to do any free speeches. I'm not in, I don't want to do free speeches. Sorry, but like I'm a single mom, I've got children. I mean, I'm yeah, I don't have a lot of money in the bank. I I think I should focus on work. But I did find a place that would pay me. I did one speech, it was not scary for me, it was no big deal, and I thought, okay, I proved it to myself, I'm not scared, and then I went on vacation. So yeah, I just I knew there was a lot of women doing this, and I didn't want to I just didn't want to push myself out there in a what I felt like was an egotistical way. So okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I was just gonna ask, how did you come up with the title?

SPEAKER_00 20:29

It was given to me. Uh intuition said you're the angel, whereas Prana. And I go, Oh, that's cute. So don't think that I could just come up with something that cute myself. It was intuitively given to me.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Yeah, yeah. I think that it's a that is wonderful that you've that you when you realize that you were intuitive and then you listen to it. I think a lot of us we have messages and little nudges and intuition that comes to us, but we but sometimes we don't listen.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Oh, I'm sure it was coming to me, but I didn't get it because our society is not taught to listen to this stuff. They're told that you're crazy. Of course, women don't want to listen to their intuition. You have a lot of men telling you you're crazy and you're hearing things. There's a lot of reasons why we shouldn't to sit fit into society. I got fired twice for having intuition. Yes, and someone not acknowledging that that is intuition. I go up to people. Here's a cute story. I was walking outside in Minnesota one day, and there was a woman and her child just at a park. It was at a park, and they had like a little hammock, you know, between two trees. And I felt drawn to just go up there. I'm very good at that, just going up to what I feel. And I went up to them, and this little girl started singing me a song. And it's a song that I sang in elementary school. And the minute she started singing that song, I looked at her mother and I said, Your daughter has psychic abilities. And that mother got scared and said, I don't want anything to be wrong with her. I was just like, This is nothing wrong with her. Your daughter can read energy. And I sat there and had a little conversation and reassured her. But I literally walked up to them and told her that her daughter had that.

unknown 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

And her daughter was looking at me with eyes like like I see it in you, but didn't have the words to say what it was. The problem is we are we have these gifts when we're born, but they're in many cases not verified, reflected, encouraged. I had all this stuff when I was little.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're yeah, we we tend to be shut down. Yes, for sure. But I do think it's I think it's great that you've been able to be able to listen to it because I do think, like like you said, you know, a lot of people get shut down. And so they don't listen to those those messages that come in. I find it very interesting too that that um I just, you know, when you were talking about massages, and I was picturing you doing a massage, but yet your brain is is gone over here, which which because I guess it's like a it's it's a form of meditation, I guess, then it would be.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

You know, we we can create ways to use this. Is the thing our brain is like it is true, it's like a radio receiver. We have way, way like Joe Dispenses says, we have way more capacity than anyone really likes us to believe. You know, like in in massage school, they say concentrate on your pay, your your the body in front of you, the client. I have ADHD. I can't do that. That's too boring. Yeah, I can't sit in a dark room and massage a person and not do something else with my mind at the same time. That's I can't do that. Yes, I just you know, and it's not that if the mine is so good that if the pay patient, client, I sometimes it's patients, sometimes it's clients, depending on where you work. If the client says something, I come right out of my own brain and can attend to whatever they need. Yes, you know, sometimes they'll start like snoring. Yes, and it scares me because I'm so relaxed and in my zone. Yes, and then like yeah, asleep. That's good, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, or their phone will go off.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Sometimes that will be like, Oh, yeah, that's yeah, you don't want that when you're having a massage.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

So you you our brains are doing these things, we're just not tapping into it. There's a ton of potential, yeah. And there's been people that have been trying to teach this forever, yeah, but it's it's a skill, and if we're taught it earlier, it's way easier. They do it in other countries, we just don't do it here. Why don't we do it here?

The Spiritual Path And Deep Healing

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Because the people that run the world don't want us to know that is not valued, not valued, right? Yeah, so what is a spiritual path? A spiritual path can mean different things for different people, of course. So, what does it mean for you?

SPEAKER_00 25:03

For me, the spiritual path means that I put my self-growth and my spirituality as the priority in my life because the intuition is telling me that it was a time in my life where that needed to come first. And if I didn't, bad stuff would happen in my life. That was spirit's way of telling me don't even think that you're gonna get off this path because your soul came here for that spiritual path. The most, the part of my life that I didn't live with that was just the structure for how I would use my spiritual abilities. And for me, it meant deep healing. Other people, it means different things because not everybody's on a same spiritual path.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

You know, spiritual path just means that you are putting that at a forefront and putting that as a priority in your life, and you will accept. See, there is a process of accepting a certain spiritual path. And so guides are speaking with you, whether you can hear it or not, and they're put trying to put you down different paths. Sometimes you agree to them and sometimes you don't. If you don't agree, oh, they'll come back. If it's in your soul contract and you were meant to learn that in this life, they might give you a little time, a couple months or a year, a few weeks. It'll come back. If your soul wants it, it will happen for you.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Yeah, yeah. I I believe that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

And that's and this the stuff that I had to do for healing was incredibly painful. So I had to be given that path at a certain time where I had the resources, and but they will give you resources if they want when I say they, I mean spirit, it could be a spirit guide, it could be my higher self. They mean business when they're saying it's time. Like there was one point where I was having trouble quitting coffee, and I was trying because the pain I was feeling in the morning with the adrenal fatigue, they got mad at me. They're like, You got to quit this coffee, and it was so painful, it was so hard. I could, I mean, I legitimately that was one of the hardest things because my adrenals were so drained. I needed that coffee to get up in the day, or I was just in this horrible pain that and I knew I can't, I I was, you know, I've had issues my whole life with my health. I've been a doctor, so I knew I was at the point where I just had to feel it. It was really hard. I've had to do a lot of hard things, and facing yourself, facing that deep inner sweet self that I've had to close off because of the way society is, and it's hard to open up to that sensitive little girl inside that's that was shown that yeah, you know, she's a burden, and that was shown that she's in the way and she's too loud and too sensitive, and her needs are too big and inconvenient.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

What did you do then to help yourself overcome that? The that's a that's a that's a that's a tough one for sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

The pain or the feelings?

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Well, well, you're saying, you know, that society, of course, doesn't accept whatever it doesn't accept. And so you felt shut down, and then and you know, like you weren't even able to connect with that that inner that inner girl that you had there. So, you know, what what I'm just asking because it because for anybody that might be feeling similar, possibly there's somebody.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

I I eventually was led to hiring you, people don't like this, but it's called a psychic. But she was a life force coach, and she is a major reason why I'm still alive today, because she was able to explain things in a very gentle way. Uh, what was going on? She explained to me when I needed to let go of my house because it was happening for a reason, and I felt bad because society was shaming me. Just go to work and work harder. And I was already so drained from my whole life, but people didn't see on the outside.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

And because I was always coming up for solutions, people just did they're like, oh, she's got issues, but she'll she'll figure it out. I asked for help so many times from people, and I was turned away so many times, so many times. It's heartbreaking how many times I was asking for help and being turned down. So I worked with her, and then eventually, when I was I you I grew out of her. Actually, I I grew. I had to do meditations, you know, I had to do some self-growth work, and then I got the next, the next psychic. And then I worked with her for another year. And when I got to a certain point, I don't like doing group work because I read other people's energy and it interferes with me. So when I when Spirit says we have to work on this problem, I'm like, well, show me someone that I can hire because I don't do group work. And then they brought me to another person that I could hire. I work with, I pay them, I work with them, and then I learn that lesson and embody it. I do go to some workshops. I think they're being blown out of proportion now with a number of workshops and webinars, but there's a couple that I thought were really important to my growth that I participated in. And all of these people that I've hired, they all suggest you do a regular meditation practice, which I find hard to do as ADHD, but I would make myself. I had to do a lot of diet changes. I had to do a lot of distancing distancing myself from people. I do not have my friends from childhood in that anymore. And it's hard for me, it hurts me, but I also know that they're just not on my level and they don't understand me and that it's not their fault.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

No, no, yeah. When we when we grow and change, which we're meant to do in the world, yeah, we just some people are going to be left behind because what can you do? You know, hopefully they can see from your, you know, from your example that there's something better. That's what I always hope for. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

One of the ones. Sorry? I wanted to talk about one of my psychics. One of them go ahead. As I was growing, because I was a little bit hesitant to listen to myself because I didn't trust it. But honestly, one of the great things that I think is beautiful that happened is on the same day I felt something like she can't be my, she can't be my coach anymore. She can't be my psychic. And on the same day she wrote me the letter too, saying, I don't feel like I can read you anymore. And I said, I had the same feeling. And so it didn't have to be an uncomfortable thing for us. We just knew it was time to part ways. Yeah. So that's sometimes how it ends. I mean, I know people that have a hard time not going to their hairstyles that they don't like her anymore. And I'm like, you're gonna have to get a little bit tougher with that. You know, you gotta you gotta feel things out for yourself and develop some confidence because it, you know, it might hurt their feelings, but you need to just get your needs met. It's okay.

Meditation And Reducing Screen Noise

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Yes, absolutely. So when someone feels disconnected from themselves, where do you where would you suggest that they begin?

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Meditation. You have to clear the space for it. And the reason that meditation is so difficult is there is that information that's coming to you that you may not think you're ready for. And our society doesn't in America, we don't have what other cultures have where they honor this form of communication. I put some free resources on my website. I think body scans are a really, really, really easy way to start, even 10 minutes, or some sort of very beginner-guided meditation is the best way because you have to be still. There's energies on different levels of our bodies, and you never know which one of those is coming to us. So honestly, that that is the number one thing to do. And secondly, now the way the world is that screen time is taking up so much of our attention, it sure is, isn't it? And it's a big problem. I haven't had a TV in my house for about 12 to 15 years. Wow, wow.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

So, how so how do you handle internet? I guess the same.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

I don't have internet because I don't like the internet coming into my house with those. I work off my phone, I watch things on my phone.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure. And I see a lot of people doing similar, similar things these days for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

My consciousness grew where most of the stuff on TV isn't interesting to me because my intuition is so high that I'll read the actor and it won't be enjoyable for me to watch the show anymore because I'm reading the energy of the actor, not the character.

Safety Through Nonjudgmental Listening

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Yes, yeah, I get it. I I can understand that. So you mentioned people tend to open up to you. What do you think allows someone to feel safe enough to do that?

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Number one, I feel that it is a lot of the skills that I learned when I was a corporate coach because we had 12 to 15 minutes to get in there and feel someone and make use of that time. So somehow, I can't put words to it, I have created people, but they would tell me I feel non-judgmental. I feel like I can say almost anything to you, and you'll be like, okay, because I am. I mean, I just real I just can have a perspective of humans and how their life is, and how crazy people can get in situations because of deep feelings. That very few things shock me when a client will tell me something, and I just don't judge them. I don't get that reaction like I get a curious reaction, like, hmm. And then my mind starts spinning and I just listen. I've even had clients where I'm deeply listening and they'll go, Are you even listening to me? And then I'll repeat what they just said because I'm in listening that intently, and then they're like, Oh, she really is listening to me.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

People get rude to people on the phone, and I just roll with it.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So, how important is non-judgmental, uh, being non-judgmental when it comes to healing? And why do you think so many of us struggle to offer that to ourselves?

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Society, I think. I think society makes us live in such a narrow view of what a good and successful person is, that we have to judge ourselves to function. We have to, we have to do it to function in society. We're taught that from the beginning. Yeah, and if you go off that path, you get judged, and then you have to acclimate and find friends who won't judge you, which is great. We should do that. Yes, but then those groups of people are always outside the norm. It's how the world is right now. Most of the spiritual people are getting it, you know. This is the growth. We're supposed to grow out of that judgment, but it's hard because you have to live with it every day. I mean, I somehow can like block out what people think of me.

unknown 36:09

I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

I I don't know how I got that or if it's the ADHD or what, but I'm just old, and now I'm older and I'm like, I don't really care if you judge me because I know that what you think of me is not gonna affect my life and my paycheck and my what I've got going on. And if we don't jive, I'm not the type of person to be like fighting it. If you don't like me, okay. Yeah, not for you then. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

There's a lot of people in the world.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

You take a lot of drama out of your life when you give yourself permission to not care if someone reacts unfavorably to you. And you know what else you get rid of? A lot of surface conversations.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Ah, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Yes, I don't want to have surface conversations for more than, you know, if unless I'm meeting someone on the street or at a store. Other than that, I'm a deep person. And if you don't want to have a deep conversation, it's just not gonna meet my needs. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, you'll find somebody else that can have a surface conversation with you. There's plenty of those people out there.

Facing Abuse And Asking For Help

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Yes, for sure. Can you share a moment in your life when you had to face something within yourself that changed everything?

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Yeah. When I had to confront the the types of abuse and how it affected me. Oh my god, months and months and months of gently, gently somehow preparing myself to hear the deeper truth. So painful. I could barely walk around knowing the things that happened to me. And I had a hard my ego had a really hard time believing that that kind of thing happened to me at a young age, and I horribly difficult to confront the truth of that. Horribly difficult. Because even when I confronted it, accepted it, and took the months and months and months of what needed to do that, I started telling some of the people close to me, and I think they almost didn't believe me. And I'm like, okay, all right. I and I get why, but I was like, it was the hardest thing I've had to do in my life.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

If someone's if someone's listening right now and they're stuck in that cycle and they can't seem to break free, what's one small shift they could make today, even?

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Great question. My advice is to allow the universe to send you some form of assistance, whether it's a video, a person, a class, a course, a hint. You have to gently, gently allow yourself to have some kind of help because you can get the help in a book. You know, the universe is sending you videos and things around you will draw. You just sort of have to get to a place where you say, I'm ready to let something or someone help me accept this. Uh, there's a lot of pressure on us doing this all alone. I could never have done all this alone. Ever, ever, ever. I have been to so many alternative health practitioners that have helped me in so many ways during this. And that's what we're supposed to do, help each other. You kind of only just need to open yourself just a little bit to get a little help because you you can't, it's very not healthy to face all of it at once all by yourself. It it'll make you suicidal or dangerous to something. Yeah, it's true. It's people throw suicidal around like it's it's a like it's something bad, like it's something bad to you're bad if you feel so you have to have a lot of bad feelings and a lot, a lot of pain inside you to want to do that to yourself. And God help anyone who's saying that's people who are suicidal or selfish, they have gone for a long time without a lot of needs met and carrying a lot of pain.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Yes, yes. Thank you for that. I think that that's that's an important that's important for people to to remember that there's people out there that you you know, sometimes, and again, it gets back to that judgmental thing, but you haven't walked in someone's shoes, you know, as you and to judge someone when you well, you shouldn't judge anybody anyway, you know, you just you don't know what they're going through.

Quiet Signs You Are Healing

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Well, we have to teach people that judgment is kind of something that's conditioned into us, and if you really want to be non-judgmental, you're gonna have to do some inner work. Yeah, because the judgment is a projection of something that's inside that we have not faced yet. That's why we judge people because we don't we haven't done the inner work, right? Of course, you can't just tell someone don't judge, you have to say there's a process to being non-judgmental in its inner work.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. What are some quiet signs that someone is actually healing, even if it doesn't feel like it?

SPEAKER_00 41:15

That's a good question. You will get some relief in some areas of your life somewhere. The pain will drop down a little bit, the depression will lift for some periods of time. You might have people inviting you somewhere, you might be urged to stop doing one behavior and do another behavior, likely food and exercise and getting outside, you know, even all of those urges to do that. There's, I mean, healing is such a slow process. It feels for a long time like nothing's happening. But if you're doing your meditation, like you will be able to stay in meditation longer, you will have more power over your moods not driving you so much. It's a long process, you'll have that confidence building slowly. But I think people need to be open to new friends, new experiences, because when you do that, you are you're opening yourself up to meeting someone like me that can reflect it verbally to you. I can do that now, how far I am on the path, and people believe me. And if they don't believe me, I say, okay, and I walk away. Yeah, you know, I don't argue with them, but yeah, you need to allow for the universe to be able to show you some of the, you know, penny on a sidewalk, find a dollar bill. Maybe you find just some trinket somewhere that you remember from some other thing. There's signs everywhere, they'll happen. Ask the universe to give you signs that you're healing and they'll come to you.

Global Awakening And Practical Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 42:49

Perfect. That's perfect. Well, we're getting close to closing. So let me ask you this question. If someone's listening right now and they feel lost, overwhelmed, disconnected in themselves, what would you want them to hear today, right now? What would you want them to hear?

SPEAKER_00 43:10

We are in a global awakening. The energy that is coming to the planet is doing this to everyone. It is not you. The message is that we are all growing as a collective. We've been giving the messages for five years now, hint hint. That whole pandemic thing was supposed to be a huge wake-up call. There is a major, major spiritual awakening on this planet, and everyone is included. Everyone needs to get on some kind of spiritual path. It doesn't matter how, where, what, you need to listen to your feelings and start to actively do something. Meditation, a group, therapy, all the wellness stuff that's going on. I would also like to say that I've, besides the people that I've hired, there are so many free resources. I have some of them on my website, and I'd be glad to give them to people. Look up meditation, you can do it. Everybody can look it up online for free. There's tons of organizations giving out free meditations everywhere. You have to get the self-discipline to realize, yes, I'm feeling bad. Everyone's feeling it, whether they say it or not. It's time to grow up and take responsibility for your feelings and having your needs met in not a mean way, but more of a this is urgent now because our world is in chaos. And we can't we people don't understand with our energy, we can shift what's happening. That's the thing people don't understand. Like, oh, what can one person do? You can you can do this with your inner growth.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Yeah, yeah. Well, if we all just focus on our on our own little bubble, that will eventually encompass the world. You know, but we do have to focus on it.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

You do have to do something. You have everybody has to have some form of meditation. Meditation can be walking without listening to music or any other distraction. It's just how you tune it in. You can do it when you're cleaning, you can do it when you're driving. You have to tune in some way. If you're not tuning in in those situations, you're gonna have to force yourself to lay down at some calm time of your life in your in a comfortable space and learn to meditate. Yeah, put on whatever music, find something. Let's grow up now. We're all gonna be emotionally mature spiritual beings. Yeah, that's what we're doing. And if you're not, you're gonna have negative consequences. That's how the universe tells you you're doing it wrong. You're gonna have something like an accident, like a job loss, like something happened to you physically. Take anything that happens to you, you look inside yourself and be like, is that a hint? Because the universe is gonna is getting very strong with their hints.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

Yeah, it's interesting. I always say to my to my my kids, I've got grown kids, well, you can go kicking or screaming, or you can go with a smile on your face. It's up to you, but you're still gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Oh, I've gone kicking, screaming, yelling, swearing with a smile, and now finally it's getting easier and it's been a long road.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Yeah, yeah, perfect. Well, Anna, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. I I just really appreciate your honesty, your forthcoming way of speaking and uplifting. It was a very inspirational conversation. So I appreciate that. Thank you very much. So, all of her information is going to be in the show notes, everybody. So you'll be able to reach out to her if you want to purchase her book, you'll be able to do that. And you know, if you well, you've got free resources on your website too.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

So and I am looking. I take clients, I can start with anything like behavior change to move into. It doesn't have to be these hard things. Yep. Some people need to do fasting to clear that out, and they need support for that. I can do a lot of different things after after a career in this in a really long time.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Yes, prefer absolutely, absolutely. And there's no one better to help someone than someone who's actually lived it and gone through it. Yes, for sure. So, well, thank you so much. And thank you for doing this. I really I do, I appreciate it, and I think it's going to be very helpful to everybody that that that is watching. So, thank you again, and all of you, thank you for being here for another episode of Women Like Me Stories in Business. And we'll see you next time. Bye bye.