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The DIY High: Science of Accomplishment
Ever wondered why finishing a DIY project feels so rewarding? That rush of satisfaction isn't just in your head—it's a powerful cocktail of brain chemicals working their magic. Join hosts Cameo and Greg as they dive deep into the science of accomplishment and reveal why tackling challenges yourself creates a natural high that scrolling social media simply can't match.
• The "DIY high" occurs when our brains release dopamine, endorphins, and serotonin after completing meaningful tasks
• Dopamine is released both in anticipation of accomplishment and after task completion
• Dr. Anna Lempke's "Dopamine Nation" explains how challenging activities provide more sustainable satisfaction than quick, easy rewards
• The "Ikea effect" shows we value items more when we've invested our own effort in creating them
• Social media provides quick dopamine hits that may prevent us from seeking more meaningful but challenging activities
• Establishing good habits (like sleep hygiene) often means trading immediate gratification for more sustainable rewards
Ready to transform your understanding of accomplishment and motivation? Listen now to discover why finishing the thing might be exactly what your brain needs. Then share your own DIY triumph with us—we'd love to hear what projects have given you that natural high!
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Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show. I'm your host, cameo, and we are joined today by my husband and co-host, mr Greg Braun.
Speaker 2:So excited to be here.
Speaker 1:Welcome. Greg likes to start us with a dad joke, so I assume you have one ready to lay on us.
Speaker 2:I do. I do this one's about money. Okay, why should you always borrow money from a pessimist?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Because they'll never expect you to pay it back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, doom and gloom Glass half empty kind of vibe Not a bad life tip Life hack. Speaking of life hacks, we've had a busy morning. This morning. We've already been to Lowe's. Lowe's is an exciting trip.
Speaker 2:With Oliver. Oliver went with us.
Speaker 1:Oliver is our almost five-year-old lab retriever mix. He's very excitable, but he did very, very well. Very proud of him. We went to get a wheelbarrow a wheelbarrow, not a wheelbarrow as I erroneously thought yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:It would be a wheelbarrow, but I don't even know what a barrow is yeah either way, we had to get a wheelbarrow and a birdbath.
Speaker 1:Of course, only the essentials, but we had to get a wheelbarrow and a birdbath. Of course, only the essentials. But we had to get a wheelbarrow because we're going to do a huge project around here, mulching, and in the past we've had that done because it's quite a task. But this year because? Well, I'll tell you why in just a second but we're having like six pallets of mulch delivered today At any minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like my phone's going to ring and they're going to be like hey, we're ready for you. It's 400 bags of mulch. That's a lot of mulch, and we are going to distribute it around our property with our new wheelbarrow, and it's not just any wheelbarrow. Do you want to talk about this wheelbarrow real quick?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's called the gorilla and it's more of like a big trough with wheels on it. It's very ergonomically designed well and I just cannot wait to get out there and and see what it's all about.
Speaker 1:Like I could get in it. I could sit in like a little ball and you could wheel me around the yard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, so we're going to distribute mulch today with our gorilla wheelbarrow and our wagon and get down and dirty with doing the project. Now here's why I think we decided to do it ourselves this year, aside from the fact that it's expensive. Think we decided to do it ourselves this year, aside from the fact that it's expensive. Usually we've done it in the past because time didn't allow. Time still doesn't really allow. I'm getting ready to release a book.
Speaker 1:We have a mortgage company that's like the mortgage industry is kind of picking up a little bit of steam. We have two teenage kids, a dog. It's just life is busy, like everybody else, with all of their activities and everything going on, so time isn't really allowing. But we're doing it ourselves anyway, and for me, this is why, among other things.
Speaker 1:But there are some neighbors who recently had pallets delivered and instead of, like many of the other neighbors, having it done for them, they decided to do it themselves, and they're like 20 years older than us, easily, probably, and to see them out there distributing and laying their own mulch was like what the hell am I doing? I should be out there like using this as an opportunity to get a good strength workout in, to get a good cardio workout in. And then there's another neighbor at the other end of the street who's in his eighties and he does a lot of his lawn work himself too, and I'm like I cannot in good, I can't feel good about having somebody else do this for me anymore after seeing that. So do you agree?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's not not to, you know, deny the fact that we're doing it to save money. First of all, I mean it's a good chunk of money to do it yourself and we got a good deal on it. Plug to Lowe's. They had a nice, nice sale where it was like super cheap, was it like $2 a bag or something? $2 a bag, yeah, which is really cheap. That's like year 2002 pricing.
Speaker 1:This episode, by the way, is not sponsored by the Lowe's, although it seems like it should be, because we went to Lowe's this morning Lowe's although it seems like it should be, because we went to Lowe's this morning.
Speaker 2:We can just go off. Lowe's is awesome, lowe's is awesome, lowe's is. But my love for Lowe's started back in Ohio. I was going to buy a power washer one time. I brought it up to the front and they were like are you seriously going to buy that? And I was like yeah. And he's like I was literally walking back there to mark that off a half price. And I was like are you serious? And he put the half price sticker on it right when I was checking out and I'm like I have forever going to be loyal to Lowe's.
Speaker 1:He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 2:He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1:That was a random act of kindness.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Very nice.
Speaker 2:But that made me a loyal customer. You know just that one thing. And years later you know but but I mean the bottom line is we're doing this to save money, but also it's um. You know it feels good to take care of your, your own stuff. You know to like we used to do in Ohio a lot more than we did in Florida. In Florida we've had more yard work, we've we've hired companies to help us with that and um. But in Ohio, you know, we did everything ourselves and there was a sense of pride that you had from staining your deck and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, I've got my messy bun up, I'm in my yard work clothes and I am ready to take on the project. But that's actually exactly what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1:it's called the diy high it's the release of endorphins and the feeling of pride that you get from completing a project yourself, and it's not just in your head, it's actually like there's science to support it. Now I have to give a shout out to my dad, the diy king. He is diy with mort dog on instagram if you haven't followed him, definitely go check him out but he gives tips on how to do some of the smallest projects around the house that are seemingly like huge undertakings, and he breaks it down to how simple it can be with some steps. The fun part about it is that he rates the project by difficulty on a one to five beer schedule. So scale my bad. Thank you for correcting me. But yeah, so one to five beer scale. So how difficult was that project? Well, it's about a three, three beer project, even though I've already drank 12, he might say.
Speaker 1:But but, not really, but he does a lot of really cool stuff on there. Some of it's small stuff and some of it's really big stuff, like changing the pool liner in his own pool. So check him out at DIY with Mort dog. He probably has a rush of endorphins a hundred percent of the time because he's constantly doing DIY projects. But the uh, the I did it moment that you get when you complete a project is literally chemical in your body. So, because it requires focus and persistence and like physical effort, our brain rewards us with like a little cocktail of dopamine and endorphins and like serotonin. So all of these hormones like when we finish something that has meaning, and the big reward neurotransmitter is dopamine. So dopamine is a chemical that's released that says, hey, way to go, you did it.
Speaker 2:So. So why do we get dopamine when we look at Instagram?
Speaker 1:Well, great question, and I don't know if I'm answering it properly, but I think that we get. Uh, my answer to that would be that we get a quick hit of dopamine and, though it may not be the same feel good as completing a project that rewards us. It's like an artificial hit of dopamine and so I think some of the research and I wasn't prepared for this question to answer it intelligently, but I think some of the research would support that that's why we don't take on difficult projects or don't seek out things that force us to do extra effort, because we're getting that little hit of dopamine by sitting here really doing nothing but and feeling like we are like a gratification or an instant satisfaction.
Speaker 1:Now I could be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's correct.
Speaker 2:That would make sense, because that's the same way. Uh, we always joke and say Instagram's, I'm going to have a cigarette. You know you stroke through your Instagram feed, but I feel like it's the same feeling as when you did smoke a cigarette. You felt like you were. I got to go outside and smoke a cigarette. You felt like you were doing something.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, it's like one of my good buddies. I remember him telling me he's like. Smoking is like. It gives you that satisfying feeling of doing something, but you're doing absolutely nothing, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, dopamine is interesting because you don't actually have to complete the task for it to be released in your brain either.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dopamine is released as an anticipatory reward, so that could be part of the social media. You know the engagement there. You get the anticipated reward and it increases your baseline, and so then it takes like less to get the same. Satisfaction is how I understand it. There's this great book. It's called dopamine nation. I happen to have it right here.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, there's this great book. It's called Dopamine Nation. I happen to have it right here, oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Look at you, it actually lives right behind me, so it was really easy to grab.
Speaker 2:It's usually right behind you there, right beside the reset button, right.
Speaker 1:Strategically placed.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, oh, what's that doing there?
Speaker 1:That's my proof copy my author's copy. It's actually bent because somebody has been reading it and left it like laying open face down.
Speaker 2:So it's completely bent the spine, somebody, somebody.
Speaker 1:But in the book she talks about that when we get the anticipated reward, our baseline increases and then, if the reward we anticipated doesn't materialize, our dopamine falls off really quickly. So we go right back at it. It's like an addictive property.
Speaker 1:And it says that it highlights the significance of the dopamine surge our brain experiences when we actually achieve something. So when we actually do a DIY project, the surge continues beyond the anticipated reward and it increases the sense of accomplishment and satisfaction that we feel. And she goes on. It's Dr Anna Lempke. She goes on to talk about this concept.
Speaker 1:This book is amazing and I don't even think you've read it and you need to read it and I need to read it and I'm probably butchering all of this, but the whole idea is just to introduce you and everyone else to it A little bit of information that's, you know, helpful and engaging and and seek out, you know, the actual, correct information versus what I'm probably spitting out, the actual correct information versus what I'm probably spitting out. But she talks about the pleasure pain balance in this book. That talks about why it's so rewarding to do something that's challenging, like get in ice, cold water, and something that's like manageable pain. So I don't mean, like you know, something super, super challenging that's like detrimental to your health, but those types of activities when you expose yourself to manageable pain on purpose, the release of dopamine is a more like an even more lasting sense of satisfaction.
Speaker 2:Like taking five years to write a book. The dopamine that you get from that is different than the dopamine that you would get from making an Instagram post.
Speaker 1:Correct yes, both will give you a sense of satisfaction and a release and rush of dopamine. One is more superficial and I don't mean that in like a oh, that's, she's so superficial and I don't mean that in like a oh that's.
Speaker 2:she's so superficial, maybe not superficial, not superficial, but maybe more shallow, like it's more. It doesn't have the depth of like. Just like hanging a picture on the wall gives you a little bit of a dopamine hit Like oh cool, I did that, versus doing the mulch in all your yard. You know, when you stand back and look at your yard and be like I did all that, you know that's going to be more of a that right.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean, there's also like something called the Ikea effect, and I don't know if she talks about it in the book, but in learning about dopamine and different you know information about endorphin rushes there's something called the Ikea effect where, like when you build a piece of furniture yourself, even if it's like not done as well as it would have been done by a professional furniture builder, you're, you have so much more satisfaction because you feel connected to the project Right. So it's like you can stand back and look at this bookshelf or this chair that you built from Ikea. That might be crooked and look like shit or be put together wrong in a few different ways, but you, you love it you love it more than if you just bought it from target.
Speaker 1:Right, so or wherever, like no, no offense to target if you just bought it from Lowe's.
Speaker 2:Well, and another example is lately I've been really into making homemade ice cream. So the homemade ice cream. When I eat my own homemade ice cream, I'm like, oh my God, this is amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, versus if I was at somebody's house, like have some homemade ice cream. I'm like, yeah, that's good, it's homemade ice cream, it's what I expect. But like since I made it, I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel that way when I cook, like everything seems to taste better when I've made it, even if it doesn't. It's because chemically these endorphins dopamine, serotonin, whatever's being released, they literally are like feel good chemicals and they kind of alleviate pain. Right, they're like a um the rewards right yeah, it's like a little reward that that reminds you like that was worth the trouble that was worth the effort, keep going and you know.
Speaker 1:Back to the social media concept. I would have to dig into that a little bit more because now I'm intrigued, but I think that I think what I said is right. It's why people don't get up and go do things, because they feel like they already have. In seeing somebody else accomplish something, maybe like do you know what I mean? Like the psychology behind that is if I I feel good watching someone else achieve something and it releases endorphins in a way that, like now, I don't feel this urge to do said difficult thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes sense yeah. Yeah, I'm interested to dig into that a little bit more, because also like making a a checklist of things and crossing them off like that feels good. Is that you think that's dopamine as well?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yes, I'm a dopamine junkie. In that way, I will write things on my list that I've already done, just so I can cross them off.
Speaker 2:In your color changing pen.
Speaker 1:Coincidentally, right here in my hand, this is the mother of color changing pens. This has like 20 colors. It's big and fat and full of joy. That should be. That sounds like me.
Speaker 2:That sounded really terrible that sounds like sanny claus you're right, I went somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you I went to the pessimistic side ask me for money, kind of deal. Listen, if you're interested in exploring more about dopamine and the reward process or the implications of doing something and what it does to your body, like scientifically, this is a great book, okay, so let me bring this back up Dopamine nation. It's a deep dive behind the science. Uh, like the science behind these activities and experiences that we have, and not just when it comes to DIY projects, but anything that's challenging or difficult, training for a marathon, hanging a picture on the wall, like it literally doesn't matter, it's the, it's what happens in your body when you do that. So I say that Lowe's hasn't called yet, but I anticipate that they will any minute.
Speaker 1:So I don't mean to wrap up abruptly, but if you are considering doing a project and you're like debating whether to start or finish it because you started and you're like shit, now what? Just remind yourself that like you're not just doing the project, you're also giving your brain a bit of like a natural and earned, high and earned satisfaction. When it's a larger undertaking, perhaps something that's less on the surface, something that takes longer to complete, something that might be more challenging, there are science that supports that. It gives you a more sustainable and more meaningful experience than just a quick hit of dopamine will give you anytime when you, you know, are doing something that's routine or easy. So challenge yourself and remember that it's. It's beyond sometimes the physical activity or the mental challenge. It's literally you're increasing your science experiment inside your body.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Finish the thing, feel the high you earned it. It feels so good, good, and then, like anything else, that compounds right. We'll see what I say in a couple days when we deliver all this mulch.
Speaker 2:And I'm walking around with a sore back, a sunburn and I'm pissed off well, can I abruptly just change gears here real quick and just uh, also say I, I would like you to talk about meeting your, your hero author, too this week.
Speaker 1:Oh God, that's like still this week that was like within the last five days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah, definitely a shift, but it was a rush of dopamine in many ways, because we went to an author signing event at a local bookstore in Tampa called the Oxford exchange, and it was author Gretchen Rubin. God, she's written so many books I couldn't tell you how many double digits for sure and the release of her newest book is called secrets of adulthood. It's a very short book, almost coffee table, where it's life aphorisms, like short sentences, but they're very contemplative, like they make you think very deeply, in just a few words, which is what an aphorism is, and it's attributed to her, so that makes it an aphorism. I learned that An aphorism is a cool word, so I'll keep saying it.
Speaker 2:And I love aphorism. I learned that an aphorism is a cool word, so I'll keep saying it, and I love aphorisms too. I mean I think in aphorisms all day long, like you know what I mean, Like when you program yourself with these little concepts. It actually is a great operating system, I found.
Speaker 1:I wish I had an aphorism from Gretchen's book pulled up right here so I could give you an example. Because then I want you to give an example of one of your aphorisms.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, what was hers about? Anything that's not scheduled?
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Something like that, but not.
Speaker 2:We can pause and look it up real quick.
Speaker 1:It was anything that can be done at any time, will be done at no time, or something very close to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, anything that can be done, something that can be done at any time, will be done at no time, or can be done at no time, or you get the sentiment. The point is to make you think deeply about what that means in your life. So, even if I'm not getting it exactly right, the idea is close enough. So I'm not quoting Gretchen, but close enough.
Speaker 1:I did, however, quote Gretchen in my book, and so it was very exciting to go see someone who's made an impact on so many people in the personal development area of life. Someone who's made an impact on so many people in the personal development area of life. She's most notably famous for her book, the Happiness Project, and so to go meet her, see her speak, but also be able to show her where I've quoted her in my own book, it literally says author Gretchen Rubin coined the phrase the days are long but the years are short, also an aphorism, and I use that as a reference in my book was incredible. It was a huge hit of dopamine, because I was experiencing the feel good chemical in my body of not just completing my own project but then being able to show someone who has completed many of their own huge projects in books where they've inspired me in a personal way.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And she, she was so nice and so kind and so gracious and you know I should have offered to give her my proof copy. I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:You're like you can't have that.
Speaker 1:I'm like here, give it back to me. I gotta go. Thank you, but really, really a cool experience and, you know, one of those full circle moments where it didn't have to be that way. I'm just so grateful, you know, she didn't have to be speaking in Tampa right now. I've been working on this book for five years. She's released two or three books in five years but she didn't have to be speaking there. I didn't have to have just received my proof copy of the book to have it literally physically in my hand, which is a completely different experience than showing someone a PDF on your phone of your book, which is a completely different experience than showing someone a PDF on your phone of your book.
Speaker 1:And you know, just a really interesting experience. I can't believe that was like less than seven days ago. We also went to the symphony, we also had Easter and we also had our son's 15th birthday all within days. And so remember what? At the beginning of this episode, when I'm like we're doing the landscaping ourself, but not because time allows well, no shit, time doesn't allow I don't even know what's happening. No wonder I get shitty sleep. There's not enough time to sleep.
Speaker 2:Plus, we got to watch our stories at night.
Speaker 1:They ruined my life. They're the highlight of my day because I'm so exhausted. At the end of the day, All I want to do is just numb out on watching nonsense. But then they ruin my life because I don't get the sleep that I need.
Speaker 2:And here we are back to pessimism, which we're going to dive into sleep in a later episode, but that is a big, big impact on her.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're right. Yeah, let's tease them coming up. We have a dear friend of ours, um, she's going to come on soon and talk about our electronic devices, like our aura rings and our Garmin watches and our uh, different things that read VO2, you know, as best as they can. She's going to come on and give us a lot of expert detail about that in a future episode, which we're really jacked about because my aura ring tells me I suck pretty much every day. Your readiness sucks, you suck, your sleep sucks.
Speaker 2:Take it easy today. What?
Speaker 1:happened.
Speaker 2:What happened yesterday, take it easy today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every day.
Speaker 2:What happened? What happened yesterday? Take it easy today, yeah, every day, honestly, out of just a haphazard accidental study, though for a couple weeks we were really good about listen to me sound smart our sleep hygiene, but we were just getting kick-ass sleep. I mean we were like sauna-ing at like 8.30, doing a little yoga, getting in bed by. Like you know, it was like lights out by 9.30.
Speaker 1:Magnesium on my feet, the whole deal.
Speaker 2:It was all the little things that were like and it worked.
Speaker 1:No snacking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no eating before bed.
Speaker 1:No TV.
Speaker 2:No TV, just go lay and go to sleep. And that that latency from laying in bed and not watching an hour of Netflix or hour and a half, or you know that somehow has an impact and it, and it was crazy, like every night we were getting like high eighties sleep scores and now it's like low 70s. And the only thing really different, those little things there.
Speaker 1:You know they eat like I'll eat some popcorn or you know so, but interesting stuff when you say that it's like well, damn it, that was that felt so good. Why is it so hard to break the bad habits? Then Knowing that what's on the other side of doing the right things feels so good.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll answer that with a Gretchen aphorism If you eat an apple, if you have the choice, watch me, you don't want to see me destroy. No, but what? How does it go If you? You can't, you can't, you can't have the apple way in the orange? If you eat the apple, you're going to regret not getting it. What was it? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I wasn't prepared. I don't have a book in here to pull it. It's something about regretting. There's regret on both sides. Yeah right, you can't have both. If you eat the apple, you'll regret not having the orange. If you eat the orange, you'll regret not having the apple. If you eat the apple, you'll regret not having the orange. If you eat the orange, you'll regret not having the apple.
Speaker 2:It's on both sides. Again, that is not a direct quote. No, that is 100%. But you get the idea. But again, you get the idea, you get the idea. There's a cost to everything. So the cost of getting that good sleep and feeling great the next day is you don't get to watch your stories.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:You great. The next day is you don't get to watch your stories.
Speaker 1:I know you don't get to eat popcorn.
Speaker 2:That's easy dopamine. And there you go, we're trading, we're trading. It's costing us good dopamine by feeling like shit the next day for cheap dopamine.
Speaker 1:And that is a great example that the dopamine that happens when you do the hard thing, which is get focused on your sleep hygiene and doing all the right things, is more sustainable, right.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:Not just the dopamine but all of the health benefits. But it's not as easy and it's not as cheap and it doesn't feel as good in the moment. I'm not happy at nine 30 when I'm like lights out. I'm such a good girl. Look how my sleep hygiene is. I'm pissed because I want to watch uncle baby Billy, yeah, yeah, and the righteous gemstones before I go to bed, because that is immediate dopamine, uncle baby you don't want to give your uncle baby Billy. I sure can close it down with uncle baby Billy Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, listen here now. Thank you for listening to the Cameo Show podcast. This is Uncle Baby Billy from the Righteous Gemstones. We appreciate it so much. Jesus loves you.
Speaker 1:Listen, if you have not seen the Righteous Gemstones, you don't have to watch the show. Just Google it, you'll find him to get the image of the character. And also Greg, you sound just like him. I can't even Google it. You'll find him to get the image of the character. And also Greg, you sound just like him.
Speaker 2:I can't even believe it. I thought that was shitty.
Speaker 1:You sound just like him. I mean, you want to give it another whirl, you want to give it a little more effort, or what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, take two.
Speaker 2:Listen here now. This is Uncle Baby Billy, encouraging you to listen, share and spread the word about the Cameo Show podcast. Now it's good for you to listen to this show. Now let me tell you why. You learn something. You're entertained a little bit and you can. It brightens your day a little bit, gives you a little bit of dopamine. Now listen, listen to the Cameo Show podcast.
Speaker 1:Whatever you watch podcasts and check out the Righteous Gemstones to see more of me, uncle, baby Billy. Yes, so intense he's so intense. Check out the show, just Google it. Even so, you know what the hell just happened.
Speaker 2:But, greg, it's excellent. Very good, okay, very good okay I feel, like I butchered that. But well, I'll work on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe next time we'll, we'll give you another shot. You had two today. I thought they were great both really I'm entertained, yeah, okay but greg and uncle baby billy are both correct.
Speaker 1:There are new episodes of the Cameo Show every Wednesday. We do hope that you learn something, that you feel something, that you're intrigued by something, or at least you're a little entertained and you might laugh a time or two, and we hope you'll join us again next time. You can find more. You can find more. That all came out as like one big cough, so let me try again again. You can find more at cameo elise brauncom or the cameo show on all podcast platforms and youtube, and just when do we?
Speaker 2:when? When we buy the book?
Speaker 1:yes, uh, my book, the reset button conveniently placed right behind me If you're watching the video. This beautiful turquoise item will be available for purchase on May 20th 2025. It is a personal development memoir heavy on the memoir.
Speaker 2:Perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks, greg, for the for the market calendar. All right. Thanks for following along, thanks for being here. Thanks, greg, thank you Until next time, until next time. Until next time.
Speaker 2:Now see you later. Now Be good.
