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Holler at Your Dreams with Judi Holler
In this episode, bestselling author and powerhouse pro speaker, Judi Holler, shares her journey back to authenticity after nearly abandoning her true calling for a “more marketable” path.
She opens up about the sleepless nights and creative paralysis that came from losing touch with her work. And how she reclaimed her power in creating an “unbook” to help others find their way back to themselves.
Judi walks us through her four-stage framework for self-discovery: pain, peace, presence, and paradigm, seeing discomfort as a doorway to growth. She also explores self-leadership, handling rejection, and creating safe spaces for authentic self-expression.
And as a bonus—you’ll even hear a short jam session at the end of the episode!
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Hello and welcome to the Cameo Show. I'm your host, cameo, and we are, of course, joined by my husband and co-host, greg Braun, and I know he has a banger dad joke for us today, but we will circle back to you, greg. I'm too excited to introduce our guest today. I don't even know where to begin. It's a huge stack. She is a keynote speaker, she is an improv-trained powerhouse, she is a bestselling author, she is a creative mind and she is behind the Holliverse. Welcome to the show, judy Holler Holler.
Speaker 3:I feel like we have to start with a holler. You know how good it feels to say that and do that, because for so long I've been wanting to, but it's been lying dormant and I think we can unpack that today Like this, this like corporate masking, this, like conditioning, these sort of limiting beliefs that hold us back from really like being and doing and living and becoming and creating like everything we want in this world.
Speaker 1:So we can unpack that, but holla let's go I have been so excited to say welcome to the show, judy Holler, for like I can't even tell you how long. So this is such an honor. And you know I forgot to mention that you're not just a bestselling author. You are getting ready to release your second book, so we're going to get there. I don't want to cut greg out, though. Greg, I know this dad joke you are so excited to share because I'm so excited screams, judy screams judy, judy.
Speaker 2:So what do santa's elves listen to while they're working?
Speaker 1:oh you, you better tell me, it's holiday music rap music oh my god, but holiday music, come get out of here, both of you.
Speaker 3:My brain was kind of thinking that is so good, he's going to say straight up holiday music rap, even better so that is a mic drop, so now you have two jokes in one.
Speaker 1:Like that's so good.
Speaker 3:Amazing job.
Speaker 1:You're both hired, hired comedy.
Speaker 3:I'm just kidding. Hired comedy writers. Somebody call us. Call us, we got you.
Speaker 1:Improv at its finest. So, judy, let's jump right in, though, to the new book Holler at your Dreams Dangerously Inspiring Ideas for the Wildly Dope Soul. We've got to start there. Where did the title come from?
Speaker 3:Okay, I feel like we have to tell this story first, because it's it almost didn't happen, like this book almost did not become what she is, um, and it was almost titled something else, and I think it's a powerful story for us to start with and a powerful place for us to go. Uh, because for me it was. You know, we all have those, we've all got them, good and bad, the life altering moments, the flashpoints, the bathroom floor moment, the rock bottom moment, the you know the moment where we, we sort of are, where we had to like face, face self, and I know y'all get it right.
Speaker 3:So, this was one of many for me and it's a recent one and it happened in March. So what happens when you achieve a level of success? There's something no one tells you. The money grabbers start coming around. So you got these people that see you, they want a piece of the action and they got the thing. Baby, if you just write me the check, if you just hire me, if you just scale or build the funnel or get the system or go with this process, this is what everybody else is doing. And if you really want to get to this level, if you really want to be on that stage, if you really want to be on this list, if you really want to make that million dollars, follow me, hold my hand, take, I'll take you with me right now. This doesn't mean that we don't bring people in from the outside. Of course, right, we're going to have to get help and support along the way, but maybe, maybe we never do that, to the detriment of of our own power and our own, our own algorithm.
Speaker 3:So I get to a place, money grabbers start coming around and I get really confused. I stopped listening to myself. Start coming around and I get really confused. I stopped listening to myself, I, to be frank, lose myself deeply, soulfully, and I sort of begin this journey of self-discovery back home to myself. More on that in a minute. But it was like a three, four year process where I started slipping away from myself.
Speaker 3:Money grabbers come in. I start getting confused, but I have this deep pull and this deep intuitive hit to wake up this verb I was born with, like I was born with the last name Holler and, like you know, they call it the download. You know, for all my spiritual babies out there, you get that like download right, that like hit. And it happened with my first book, f, my homeboy. Like I knew the minute, like it was like, it was like from somewhere bigger than me, right, and I was like that's it, that's the vibe, that's the movement, and I knew so intuitively and I was like green at that time. I didn't know anything, I had no following. All the bliss of the bliss of being a beginner, right, you just don't know any better.
Speaker 3:You just go and you move and you do so. The same thing was happening with with holler and, most specifically, this concept of hollering at dreams, to really help people figure out how to come back home to themselves so they can build a life and career that feels like theirs. So I launched this concept to the world holler your dreams. We go live on the website and the socials and all the things, and it cut. This was like two and a half years ago and it kind of falls flat like low key, like crickets a little bit, and the speaker bureau world, like in the speak. I'm a pro speaker, that's how I make my living and you know, spend a lot of time giving corporate keynotes. I come from corporate America. I've got some corporate PTSD and that's another thing to write down in the margins. We could talk about that too.
Speaker 3:But uh so, so, uh, so, so I, I start, I start making phone calls to these, these third parties, these people outside of me bureaus, managers, agents and I'm like what's cool? It's not working, it's not working, it's not working. Oh my God, what do I do? And I'm collecting all this advice, I'm asking for all of these opinions, and one woman, out of critique, not care, says to me. She goes oh, holler at your dreams. She goes that's cute, Cute first of all. And then she goes how's that working out for you? Are you busy Now? At the time I wasn't busy, as busy as I wanted to be. I had sort of hit a bit of a brick wall, Cause I don't think people knew, cause I like I didn't know what it was becoming.
Speaker 3:So the market didn't understand how to. So, instead of being patient and letting it breathe and be and become, I panicked. I didn't hire that woman. I ended up bringing on this brand manager to fix me, and she looks at me and she goes I got it. Here's what we're going to do. No one's going to ever understand, holler, at your dreams, no one's going to get it. People in corporate America don't need people doing that. We need results, we need action, we need ROI right. We need EBITDA, we need bottom line. So you're going to be the. You're going to be the be the verb girl. That's what it's going to be. We're going to rebrand, we're going to fix you and you're going to be the be the verb girl. Now, okay, cute, I love the pun. Fun inside I'm like okay, I guess I'm going to be the be the verb girl. So we rebrand the website, we retitle the keynote, we changed the cover of the book and the title of the book, you know, and everything goes forward into be the verb.
Speaker 3:However, I'm not sleeping at night. I'm irritable, I'm sick. I'm not making decisions, I'm fighting with my husband, I'm snapping at my best friends. I feel like I'm slowly dying inside. I am having no fun on stage as a keynote speaker. I've lost like a year and a half worth of tape. I look at that girl on stage. I'm like who's that? Who dat, who dat? Can't use it. I'm a shell of myself and I could not most acutely, coming back to April of this year, make a decision on the cover of this book, my forthcoming book called Holler at your dreams.
Speaker 3:I couldn't make a decision on the cover and I'm pissing a bunch of people off and I am wasting a lot of time, money and energy. I'm having no fun. I'm snapping. All these things are happening and push comes to shove. It's like, okay, this book is coming out on nine, nine, which I wanted that date. Nine, nine, 2025 at 2025, together, that's the number nine, nine, nine, nine the divine number of endings and new beginnings. I needed that date soulfully. It was so intuitive it had it had to come out on that date. So I had to make a decision, but I couldn't. So push comes to shove. I've got 48 hours to to call it and I've got these three covers three be the verb covers I'm looking at and I wake up in the middle of night. I don't know why we always wake up in the middle of the night, at like three in the morning, like the witching hour, super weird, anyway. So I get up in the middle of the night and I'm like, oh my God, I cannot make a decision on this cover. Not because of the cover, not because of the design, but because I am literally painting my life's canvas with somebody else's brush here, because be the verb ain't mine. I'm having no fun on stage because it ain't mine. I cannot make a decision on the cover of this book because it ain't mine.
Speaker 3:And what I've now come to know to be true and what I'm telling on keynote stages this is the key note and the big aha moment If something doesn't belong to you, it will not stay with you and you will not want to stay with it. So maybe for you it's not a brand or a title or a book or a catch phrase. Maybe for you it is a version of success that no longer fits. Maybe for you it is, you know, like. This is why there's like tension in a friendship that used to feel like home, like you'll. You'll stand in your closet and you've got like a closet full of clothes and you're like I have nothing to wear. You know, this is why you have a big title and a ton of followers and a shitload of money and you literally feel like you're dying inside right. It's because it's probably you're out of alignment and something you're doing isn't actually yours, because you don't want to stay and it doesn't want to stay with you.
Speaker 3:So I called my power back, I let go of that whole team. I called my graphic designer in tears because she's ride or die. She's on, she's in the hall of hers and I go gee, I go, gee, we're, we're, we're, we're blowing it up and we're going to, we're going to redesign this book cover. And here's I gave her the, the, the vision I had for the cover. She brought it to life and I said baby, we're building how to holler at your dreams. We're taking our. She's crying, I'm crying, she's like we're like you know, she's like I'm going, you're going, let's go, baby, right. So so I got rid of all of that and I said fuck it, baby's about being realer. And what does that look like for you? And if I am not doing that for myself? Like? I feel like that's the divine assignment, that's what I've been put on this planet and that's why I've been given that verb to help people use it and be it and become it, and that's the essence of holler at your dreams. But she almost didn't happen.
Speaker 3:So I knew that I wanted to write a book that was an unbook. I knew that attention spans and just the way my brain was healing. I went on this journey of self-discovery and I put it all into this book. And so I divided the book up into sections and we've got these four sections pain, peace and we can break this down. But the cliff notes is pain, peace, presence, paradigm. We have to move through all of it. And then inside of the book are 365 original ideas poetry, art, personal development, prose, just all kinds of dope stuff to help you come back home to yourself. So that's the story of the book. It almost, it was almost supposed to be called Be the Verb. And how sad, like I, oh, I just get goosebumps thinking about how close I came to to missing a dream, to to missing, you know, the manifestation of what I believe, I believe my life's calling is, you know that's a long story to answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Holler, here's the deal. That is why I love you so much, that is why I have almost clung to everything that you have said over the years and, honestly, now that you share that story and thank you for sharing it I can kind of remember that time and remember when you kind of went radio silent and when you lost that edge and that energy that you bring and it's back, it's been back. But the fact that you keep it so real is what draws me personally into you. Because in a world full of fake, especially on social media, in a world full of how can I be like the next person? How do I curate my feed to look like what somebody else is doing?
Speaker 1:That's having success. It makes me nauseous and you're a breath of fresh air. And that explanation me nauseous and you're a breath of fresh air. And that explanation completely seals the deal of why you referenced this book as an Oracle and a freaking Oracle. So people can feel brave and bold and inspired to tune in and tap in to their own creative nature that we filter out of ourselves. We completely erase it.
Speaker 3:Yes, and what you may need today is different, what you're going to need tomorrow and what like we're all in different spaces and places. So maybe today, you know I love this, I don't know. I have this thing I do in my office with all my books. I have my most beloved books around me here in my office and if I'm creatively tapped, uninspired, sad, depressed, dark, stuck, needing to have a tough conversation, like I'm just, like I'm very spiritual. I love to play games with the universe.
Speaker 3:I think this is a really beautiful way to move through life. It is the improv mindset. We are open, we are windows, not walls. We are victors and victresses, not victims, right? So I love being open.
Speaker 3:I'm like, ooh, let me catch a sign. Like I'm stuck, let me go grab. So I go to my books and I just say a little prayer, ask for what I need. I pull one off the shelf, open it up and I let where my eyes land be the answer, be the maybe, content, inspiration, steal, this idea, by the way, be what I need to write about, talk about, be about, do about that day. And so I'm like, ooh, what if I made that book Like so, and we'll do it at the end of the show. We're going to pull from the oracle of holler at your dreams before we go just to see full circle, maybe what we need to hear today and maybe what's for us.
Speaker 3:But I wanted to write something that's got a heartbeat, that's got an energy. It's not meant to be on a book. It's meant to be on a nightstand, a coffee table. It's meant to be like a creative companion, right? It's meant to be like soul food, so like you need to know what to do, what to say, what to be, what the answer is. You could ask it a question and get the answer, and I thought that was a really fun way to do a book. And so each page, so it's like bite size, you can read it front to back. But yes, and to all of that, because we're always going to be like this, this concept of of living as a self-expressionist and hollering at our dreams and being fully expressed, which is where the future is going, is what it's all about, and I wanted to sort of figure out how to provide some sort of long-term solution to the lifelong pursuit of like growth and change and reinvention, because maybe today you were like I am present, I know who I am, let's go.
Speaker 3:But then all of a sudden shit pops off and you're like, oh, I'm in pain.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I need to go back and take care of that so that I can come back home. It all works together, and then you'll never shift into the next dimension paradigm, you'll never transcend and get even wilder and weirder. If you don't know who the fuck you are, sometimes we lose. So it's this journey of like ooh, where am I today? To your point, cameo, what do I need today? And ooh, could this be a fun tool and a creative companion to help me think differently about today?
Speaker 1:Love it. Can we break down the sections? I love where you're going with that with regard to what you need being what you need when you open it and how your book has the different sections of pain, peace and what kind of led you to put them in that layout and in that order?
Speaker 3:And I wish I could tell you I had some sort of like really beautiful, strategic, deep dive with a PhD in writing and we decided that we're going to break. No, it was like yo, like for real it was. It came to me in the first time I'm saying this out loud, cause I'm starting to do press for the book it came to me in a dream. It really these four sections came to me in a dream. I was, I've been, I knew I needed, I had so much my gosh. I've been writing my whole life. I'm a poet, even to be able to say I'm a motivational poet. I've always been a writer and I've been hiding all of that because I thought, oh my God, like people are gonna be, like what a joke. You do poetry, spoken work. Come on, another poet, like it's just so weird, right. And so I kind of hit it and but I had all these ideas and these little sound bites of of, of, of self-discovery, and things I've I've sort of done and have learned to be true and and now know to be true and have sort of walked through to like bring me back home to self and help me shift into new paradigms. But I didn't know how to organize it. But I knew I needed to organize it somehow, cause it wasn't going to be like chapter one and I knew it had to be like picture, Like I knew there had to be art and vibrant and color and I wanted it to be a little bit like my brain, right. And so, yeah, I was like, well, what have I walked through over the last four years? Started with dark ass shit. Right, had to, had to, had to go through some pain and really look at some stuff I didn't want to that I had been ignoring. So the pain we start with the pain. You got to feel it, you got to feel it. You got to feel it and then the, the, the, the, the peace becomes, you know. So now we heal it. You got to heal it. So first you got to feel it and then you got to heal it. You start to find this like dope little thing we call inner peace. That I always thought was like some sort of joke. And then you're like, oh yo, maybe this is flow. Yo, is this surrender? Is this what people mean? Like I don't have to hold on so tight, and like, look at, like, even if you're just listening right now, like.
Speaker 3:If you want to know what surrender feels like, someone once told me, put your hand in a fist and squeeze it really hard for 30 seconds, 30 seconds. And if you got nails, it hurts. It hurts, it hurts, right. Just squeeze really hard, really hard. Now your fingers are aching, your palms are sweaty. It's kind of like uncomfortable at this point, like we are holding on. We are holding on baby. It's hard, it's hard. And now in about two seconds, just hang on two more seconds. Now let it go. Open your hands. That's surrender. You feel like a different tingling. Look at, things can land in your hands.
Speaker 3:Someone could actually grab your hand and bring you somewhere. I have goosebumps as.
Speaker 3:I say this like it just it's. You're still in action, You're still in movement, there's still energy, but now we're open, we're Ooh, who could help? What do I need? What could what, what could come in here? What can I now feel? Because I'm not so closed up and guarded, right, and so that's so.
Speaker 3:Peace is about learning the beauty of surrender and letting go and like feeling it, and then we go into presence. We've moved through the pain, we've cleaned up our shit, we are starting to feel into our feelings, instead of numbing our feelings and drowning our feelings and bullshitting our feelings away. Now we can go like, okay, well, who am I? Who the fuck am I? Because everybody's telling me to keep it real. What is real for me? Well, I think I might've found out because I've been on this little journey for myself, and maybe all that pain is power. So let's, let's go even bigger into that. We start to become now we be it. So if it's feel it right, heal it.
Speaker 3:Presence is be it, and then paradigm is transcendent, because once you understand who you are, you become unstoppable, because you are an original, you're an OG in the world, you're doing things to your own rhythm and you're not so bothered by everybody else. You're kind of on your own divine assignment and you just sort of get yourself to where you want to go faster and weirder and cooler and more you, which is always going to make you an original. And so transcendence becomes the evolution of this. But sometimes when we're transcending, it's going to hurt because we're going to get to new levels and then there's new devils.
Speaker 3:So now we go back and revisit pain, so we can feel it and come back home to ourselves and go even bigger Right. So it becomes this like process of like, it's like they all work together. That's the essence of the four sections.
Speaker 2:And wow.
Speaker 1:I love that you said that it came to you in a dream. I love Greg's face right now. He's like I feel like you're speaking to his heart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you really are. I mean, it's just like everything you're saying.
Speaker 1:I'm like yep, we're having this moment around here, like we want to get a little weird with it. We want to get a little wild with it.
Speaker 1:We are musicians and artists at our core, and so that's what we want to spend our time doing, and I feel like building a business and writing a book and doing all the things that I've done and this isn't about me, but just to relate is that I've kind of shrunk into what should I be doing? And I wrote a book about getting rid of the shoulds. So why am I sitting here in the shoulds and trying to figure out what I need to do next, instead of coming home to myself and saying what do you love to do? You love to perform, you love to play music with your husband, and your book came to you in a dream.
Speaker 1:How Serendipitous and the title is perfect and the fact that you can pick up that book and, at any time, no matter what you're feeling, read something, see something, feel something that's going to feel completely different than it may have the first time you picked it up and looked through it. It isn't chapter one, chapter two. It's where am I and what do I need is absolutely the cycle of dope that you bring to the world Like. I just can't even wait to get my hands on this book, because it's going to change people's lives in a way that I'm not even sure, I'm not even sure people recognize is available to them.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean? So, like when you had this moment of like fuck that I'm not doing that anymore, like I'm not going to do what everybody else wants me to do it's not me. Where did you find the courage to like stand up for yourself? Where did you find the ability to say sorry, everybody, you're all fired. We're going in a different direction, you know, because people can't often do that. We get stuck.
Speaker 3:Thank God for the pain, because the tolerance for pain is a really powerful skill to build. And I'm not talking like pain, like ouch Well sometimes, ouch right, but a tolerance for pain like other people's opinions and self-doubt, and and, and procrastination, and perfectionism and imposter syndrome and offending someone and am I, you know, overthinking and self-sabotage all these ways fear shows up, like being able to look at that, see it, acknowledge it and put it in a box and say, nope, we're moving anyway. It's a powerful skill to build, like you gotta. You have to have a tolerance for pain. Like rejection Awesome, okay, we're in the lab. We're in the lab. This one hurt.
Speaker 3:I get rejected all the time. Right, good, good, you know, my, my girlfriend, has a daughter in college right now and we just literally had this will go out of my newsletter on Friday Her daughter did not get into the sorority she wanted. Well, she got cut. They're in rushing right now. She got cut, and so she sends me a screenshot of the text with her and her daughter and she's like see, mom, this is why I don't I, this is why I don't have friends and this is why I've never had a boyfriend. I don't do rejection, I don't do rejection. And I said, oh baby, like it broke my heart. First of all because we've all been there, like when you're 18, you know you don't know shit about shit.
Speaker 3:Well, first of all, most adults, none of us know shit about shit, and anybody who tells you they know shit about shit is lying.
Speaker 2:Like I have some ideas take it take it or leave it.
Speaker 3:Nobody knows shit about shit.
Speaker 3:Let's be clear at the end of the day, nobody knows shit about shit. Let's be clear. There is no. Yeah, you know, beware false gods. But um, so I wanted to like hug her, of course, first of all because I feel the pain. It's like acknowledge the pain, and I told her, I said, I said like if building a tolerance for rejection is going to be a critical skill for that girl to understand and to learn it quick, because, if she wants to, it is going to be nearly impossible to be joyful and successful and happy in life without it, you know what I mean. So good, be rejected, fail, get it wrong. Look, cringe, embarrass yourself.
Speaker 3:So I guess my answer to your question is you know, I'm staring down the barrel of 50, although that makes it sound really dark, I'm not scared to get older. I feel grateful for that. But I also think with age comes a confidence and a wisdom and a low tolerance for bullshit. And, most importantly, I was tired of my own and I just said now's the time. Now's the time and I had enough wisdom and enough street cred and enough evidence in myself. Like I'm, like I have built all this.
Speaker 3:Why would I ever allow anyone? No, and to be frank, it was like leaping, like. I mean, I knew I had a net. The net was evidence, the fact that I'm living, proof I know I can do hard things and live to talk about it and I have a tolerance for pain and okay, I can always go 10 bar Like. And okay, I can always go 10 bar Like I'm not going to be homeless, like I will figure this out if this like really doesn't work.
Speaker 3:The regret I could not let the regret be louder than the realness I was feeling in my heart, you know, and so I think it was like the perfect storm a little bit Age, wisdom, time and a tolerance for pain. I have, like I just really reset my relationship with rejection and failure and cringe and upsetting people. And I think I have to go even harder there, because corporate Barbie had been playing it a little too safe for too long for fear. And I think if you're for everyone, you're for no one. And I think one of the big conversations I'm really interested in right now is this, this notion of inclusive inclusivity, because I don't know if everything should be for everyone.
Speaker 1:Sure, it just makes everything vanilla right. I mean it just completely flatlines everybody right.
Speaker 3:What is that world Like, is it?
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't want everyone to be for me, but if you are for me and I am for you, come on in and you are going to feel the most included you've ever felt. But I think we're living and this is where I think the creative revolution and sort of the creatives on the front line, helping people feel more safe in their self-expression. That's really what I'm here to do create safety of self-expression inside of corporate structures and sort of outside, so people feel safe to self-express, of corporate structures and sort of outside, so people feel safe to self-express. We can create environments of self-expression and we can feel courageous enough in ourselves to be fully expressed and then, of course, keep the self-expression itself safe. But I think we're afraid to do that because it's a scary world out there. People are sort of being like from the cancel culture to the public stoning of one person making a mistake and oh my God, you know, let's, let's talk about, I mean, the, the whole astronomer thing that the guy who got caught on the camera.
Speaker 3:I was so upset about. I physically was sick for like a week. Um, because last time I checked at who, I've made a bazillion mistakes, I have fucked up and it doesn't mean anything was right or wrong, but the public stoning, the way we take people down, the way we destroy over one fucking like. Okay, I'd love to see you in your little glass house, like we are, like on camera every like. It's like you feel like no one's safe, you know.
Speaker 3:And now the AI is making people say things and I just felt so the intuitive and the lover that I am and the creative that I am, decision aside and mistake aside and bad choices side I don't feel like that's right and I feel like, whether it's something like that, or a creative who says the wrong word, or post something that you know, a word in their book, or it's just like we live in this world where people are afraid of their own shadow and now we silence so many beautiful people because it can be, the mistakes can be so public and so scary, and so you know. Again, I'm not trying to say you know I, you know, I think, but I also think we don't know people's stories, and shame on us, for, for I don't know, I just the world is very fast to like hate.
Speaker 1:I agree, I actually said the same thing to Greg when all of that was going on. I'm like I'm so disappointed in humanity in this moment because you can't even like just I'm not saying that what was done was okay, but I'm. What I am saying is it's not anybody's fucking business, Leave everybody alone. Yeah, so we got put up on the thing. Well, who's the person that was videoing that in the first place? So I feel you, because I think you you're right. We're creating this environment where people tiptoe around, they sand off their edges, they're afraid to be a little weird with it, because somebody is going to call them out for being weird. And I don't want to be like everybody else. And thank you for not being like everybody else and for standing by what you know to be true to self. And thank you for is it self-expression? Sunday.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's a slow movement. We're building, like, you know. You just got to let it ride, but I have felt this deep calling to like, create us. I'm like it has to be on a Sunday, you know, a soul fill. It's a soulful day. It's a day, even if you film it earlier in the week and you schedule it to go live on Sunday, however, but it's like, how do I create a movement around? Cause I needed the accountability of like. Am I showing up enough? Me to camera? Me authentically, me sharing my poetry, me sharing my art, me sharing on stage, whatever it is I want to do that week? Am I playing your music, whatever it is like? Maybe that's your, your game, you guys play.
Speaker 3:If there's something you want to pull out of the closet, what if we could create a sacred day, like a self-expression Sunday, where we make a public commitment to sharing our art? The art is you, remember, I believe you're the art. You don't need a frame to be a masterpiece. You're the art. So, whatever that is, maybe it's what you're reading, what you're watching, what you're eating, what your favorite thing of the week was a conference you attended. Maybe it's your actual art. It's you spitting bars, it's you sharing your poetry, it's you playing acoustic. It's you in the kitchen cooking your favorite recipe. It just helps us. It's like my fear experiments from. Fear is my homeboy Can't be. Oh, it's like. You know, I really believe if you're not experimenting with your fear every day on purpose, you'll never stay brave. You've got to build the muscle, same with creativity, same with self-expression, same with confidence, right, like, if you want to build all that, you have to go where you have none on purpose. So I kind of built the movement selfishly, so I had like an anchor every week to be like okay, shit, and also to be able to not to feel safe, to know I got people watching and they know why I'm doing it, so they'll jump in and cheer and then I can do the same for them. So if someone's scared to like post the thing that they sold on their shop, like, I'm going to hit them up with a comment and, better yet, share that creator on my stories because I've got a nice following. You know not that it's about that, but you know like, oh my God, maybe I could, they could open a door and I, somebody could see their work and it changes something for them. You know.
Speaker 3:So that that's the essence of the movement to sort of go along with it, with the ideas in the book that you'll never get in this life what you're not brave enough to holler at. So if you want something, go get it Right and just start playing with it Like you don't have to the path. It will reveal itself. You kind of let the art tell you. I mean, you guys are musicians which I'd love to hear a little bit more about. I know this isn't my podcast, but we might need to unpack that because I'm like geeking out over it. But I think you guys are artists and musicians. You know, and you know, you, you probably, if you sit down and write any original work, I mean, I'll sit down with an idea for a poem or a concept or or or a story in verse and it'll begin one way and become something totally different. And so you kind of got to like same with homeboy.
Speaker 3:Like when I put my first book out, I was like, oh, here's how it's good, this is what's good. And the community, the movement, it told me it was like nope, this is what it's going to be. So I think we, you know, at some point the artist, the creator. You are the art. We have to come out from behind the screen. The painter has to get out from behind the canvas and we have to ship, go, launch, send, do whatever, sing, rap, like, ask for the business. At some point we have to like, go. And I feel like I'm right and I'm in the going I've been building for five years this holiverse, this world and self-expression. Sunday is one of the ways I'm going and, of course, this book launch coming up will be a big go Um and and the leading up to it revealing sort of like the world that lives in my head, wrapped inside the holiverse.
Speaker 3:But at some time, at some point, I had to get out from behind the screen, like I'm sitting here creating this world in my head. For five years I've been, four and a half years I've been sitting in this office like creep, like little, like what are the? Like? I feel like a little witch doctor, but a good witch doctor. Like, oh, I've got all these ideas. If they only knew. And at some point like, okay, well, what if something happens? I remember telling my husband like a year ago I was like it goes down with me. Here's the passwords, here's the like the manuscript was done, I just needed. So I got into all my stuff so we knew if anything happened. I'm like call this person, you get them to publish it, use that money you make on my death and go get this book out into the world. Baby, like you know, the holler at your dreams was coming. But you see, at some point we have to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, at some point I had to leave the, the safety net of this office. I had to like let and you know what. There's going to be people that don't like it and don't like me and call me a fake and a fraud and a buh, buh, buh and a phony. Because I like the M dash and it's you know people are going to. You know. I mean, like, when did the M dash become? Like, why did the AI take our M dash? I have loved the. I don't know if you guys know what an M dash is.
Speaker 1:I love an em dash, and now I find myself trying to not use it because I'm like, I don't need anyone to judge me based on my em dash usage.
Speaker 2:What's em dash?
Speaker 3:It's a dope like really long, like bar, a punctuation bar in writing. It's awesome, it's like indicates a pause and it's cooler and more aesthetically and as an artist like it's a little more aesthetically pleasing than a dot, dot, dot, dot dot, but it kind of is like a dot dot, it's like a pause, but it's a beautiful dot dot dot.
Speaker 3:Well, now the ai has taken it and everybody's saying and it is true, you can kind of tell, look for emojis, you can. You can kind of start to see what's, but is there personality? But anyway, the ai they're saying you know, content is ai generated when you see an m dash.
Speaker 3:And there's so many of us writers like oh fuck you like another way to silence and scare the creatives from sharing their art. Fuck off, because if I changed everything to a dot dot dot or removed them, they're still gonna hate yeah, that's right so guess what?
Speaker 3:I'm keeping my m dash. I love it, and so if anybody else is down for an m dash, holler at your girl. But anyway, these are the ways we're silenced, right? The fear, the like, the like. You're going to be canceled. You're a fake, you're a fraud. You don't deserve all that bullshit that keeps us from really building a life that feels like ours, a career that really feels like ours, and I think that's the. That's the dreamiest, dreamiest of dreams for me. Not a million followers, not a gazillion dollars, just am I doing work I love the way I want, with dope-ass humans that rock.
Speaker 2:This is how I frame it and everything you're saying. I'm just like it's hitting me right here. I mean, I love the vibe, but I always ask myself and my friends and people when I'm having these deeper conversations which I tend to have a lot of, because I'm a weirdo and I love to go deep.
Speaker 3:No, because you're amazing how you doing, how you been.
Speaker 2:Let's go deep.
Speaker 3:You know, like this small talk is just a way for you, same same. So keep going on your thought, but I feel you on a soul level, yeah yeah. So rare and so unique today. I love people that roll deep.
Speaker 2:Well, and I guess the whole spirit of this is I ask myself this all the time and I ask others this all the time what would you do if you didn't have to make money? Because in our society and our likes and followers and success and all these people that are doing it, and they're so much bigger than me? But, at the end of the day, what would you do if you woke up and you had all the resources you need to survive and there was no social media to compare myself to? What would I want to do? Would it be birdwatching? Would it be grabbing my guitar? I know the answer for me and it's taken.
Speaker 2:I'm 47 and I've been whittling away at this puzzle. It and I've been whittling away at this puzzle it's making music. My soul comes alive when I make music Because I go back to my 14-year-old self. I'd get done with my school, my sports, I would run home to my four-track recorder, grab my Ibanez guitar and just play Metallica riffs until my dad would come in and be like dude, you got to go to bed and it's just like that childlike energy. And our son's doing it right now. He plays music all day and comes home and it's just like no one forced this on him, he just has seen us have, we have. I have two drum sets in our bedroom.
Speaker 3:That's how cool this room is. No drums are my dream. I'm like Muppet, like the animal, for Muppets was like the best. Muppet on the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that when he played with Buddy Rich and they just, oh my God, just iconic. I've always loved the drums.
Speaker 3:My uncle Jimmy was a drummer. He drummed with the Prince, oh no way yeah. Minnesota boy like artist yeah Nice. So but interesting. So what are we doing with that? Greg, you're only 47.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I reached a very high level at 24. I played at Madison Square Garden. We opened for Shakira.
Speaker 1:You played, okay, so you're an artist.
Speaker 2:You're in it. I started playing in a bar when I was 12 with my mom. I played in Bandsphere, but then at 24, completely broke. I was over it and that's when I met Cameo, when we began our journey and kids and you got to make money.
Speaker 2:And here we are today and we've got a mortgage company that's thriving in our community and we do the podcast. She just released a book. But then we're also. We have this extra time because our kids are at an age where they're kind of doing their own thing. We find ourselves with these big blocks of time, like, well, what do we want to do? And I think this is where the wheels come off in a marriage. We've been, you know, thank God we've been working together on stuff, or else we'd look at each other and be like I don't even know who you are anymore, you know, yeah, this is so real by the way we're like yeah, I know I feel like you're sitting here when we're having a coffee in the kitchen.
Speaker 3:I feel the same, like I'm fascinated by this. Yes, it's so real.
Speaker 1:So Greg is back to himself, though, which I think is so beautiful, and kind of right back into the cycle of what we were talking about, of what we were talking about, like the pain, the peace, the presence, the paradigm.
Speaker 3:The pain, the peace.
Speaker 2:I had to go through the pain. I had to go through the pain and I had to. Literally I went to therapy. I went to EMDR therapy and I thought it was for something else, but she was like you got to deal with these childhood things that are you're stuck.
Speaker 3:You're stuck Because it'll come for you.
Speaker 2:It'll come for you. And so when you break your four things down, it's like I am living. I know exactly what you're saying. I had to walk away from my corporate job that I was very comfortable with oh yeah, comfortable and then we moved to Florida and we worked for a little bank. We worked for a bank and we were comfortable working for a bank.
Speaker 2:And then someone was like, hey, if you jump out on your own and do your own thing, you're losing so much here by not doing this on your own and you can have complete control. Sorry, my cord's flying everywhere, but it takes a lot of looking fear in the face and being like, uh-uh, I know the truth. And that's because you educate yourself and you go deep and you ask yourself daily what would I do if I didn't have to make money? I mean like that question right there, and it just forces you down this path of uncomfortable truths that you're just like. I know this is right for me, but I'm scared to not do it kind of thing. But you just got to keep going, you know.
Speaker 2:And people like you are the spirit guide to show me like there's light at the end of that tunnel and I'm going to keep going for it, you know so yeah, you're.
Speaker 3:You're the light in the tunnel.
Speaker 2:First of all, uh yeah, you're the light in the tunnel I have chills too.
Speaker 3:I've had. I've had them multiple um times on this podcast, which is really cool. Do you know, not everybody gets chills. There's a name for it, it's called freeze on.
Speaker 2:I never knew that no.
Speaker 1:So I wrote about this in my newsletter.
Speaker 3:I can't even imagine not getting chills. Yeah, some people do not get them, and it's a very. If you get chills, it's a divine appointment, like it's something to be celebrated, right. And especially when you get them in multiple spaces, pay attention to where you are when you get those. And I'm not talking about burr, I'm cold, I'm talking about, like, source spirit, right. So, yeah, I love that. That means we're right where we're supposed to be. And then number two what you're talking about, greg and I think this is a really important thing to understand about self-expression and any creative act and it's required for hollering at dreams. You're talking about self-leadership, because no one's coming to do it for you right, you hear this all the time?
Speaker 3:Ain't nobody coming, all this stuff, but do we really live into that? And so this is why pain and peace like this is an important part, because who's going to sit down at like? You have to lead self. You cannot be a victim. Oh the economy, oh the president, oh the mean bullies on like, oh the okay it's, there's going to be things that suck in life and they're gonna be things you're not happy with, and the economy will go up and down and elections will come and go and they're gonna be things that are great, but we, like we can't control any of that. I am like I cannot handle. If you were to ask me, the one thing that pisses me off more is a victim.
Speaker 3:Give me a victim and I just cannot. And this doesn't mean I'm not trying to be an asshole over here, but also like listen, there are people that go through deep trauma. I understand and I have known those people. I know those people. My best friend lost her daughter. I mean, come on.
Speaker 2:Can you?
Speaker 3:imagine a pain worse. One of the most joyful people I've ever met went on to have two kids. My husband lost my husband's mom. My mother-in-law, who's now passed, lost her oldest son and she was never the same. She was horrible, a nightmare, really difficult to be around, sedentary, overweight. Oh, poor is me. A victim just could not get her life back together. And those two boys suffer the consequences of that because, oh, mom's mad again we have to slip cards. Oh, mom, oh, walked on in. Could never make mom happy.
Speaker 3:My best friend, jodi, loses her oldest daughter, goes on to have two boys. But she tells me the story of you know. So when people are victims, I think of stories like this and I'm like, if my girl Jodi can get up and do that, I'm going to be okay. But she said that there was a moment, three months after Olivia had died, where she was on the floor of her closet and she, you know grief. If you've ever lost anyone. Grief is waves, waves. You move through it and there will be a time where you feel like your breath has taken away. If you've ever lost, you know it's like it hits you and you just don't expect it. So she's like I'm three months in and of course I'm in the pain. She goes. But it was like I'm in my closet just getting ready for work she was a teacher at the time and she's like, oh, wave it. And I'm on the floor and I can't breathe and you know I'm bawling. She goes, adam walks into the closet and he two, he goes.
Speaker 3:However, we have a choice to make here. We have to make the decision to either move on and be the people who lost a daughter, or we can choose to be olivia's parents and to move on as the, as the people that had had a daughter, not the people who lost one. I want you to come there with me, let's go there, and we're going to do it one day at a time, one hour time. So they, they she's like, we have, we have a daughter. We are not the people who lost a daughter. We have a daughter and we live for her, and so so when I talk about being a victim, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but I'm also trying to be firm and direct, because you know, we're all going to have stuff and, my god, joe, their lives.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know as much as she doesn't want, I mean of course she would do anything to have Olivia back, but she's also kind of like, would I? Her life is so like it was. You know, she's a woman of faith and she has such a deep faith and a sense of something bigger and a support system and whatever we need to call on, we call on that army of earth angels. We get what we need to get through the trauma. But she's like I probably wouldn't have hurt my youngest isaac. We would have stopped it too. She goes, you know we would. We would not have him. She goes, I would not have the relationship I now have with my husband. She goes, we would not be here in indiana.
Speaker 3:She's like I think of all the things and she's in her. She is in every look at she. Olivia's here right now in this story because there's someone like she lives on, you see. So she's in this story. Someone's going to hear this right now and go oh shit, they're going to pull. They're like this is what I needed right here. Oh, olivia, thank you, she's here, and what it gives is the gift that keeps giving instead of the thing that holds us back, and that's how I look at being a victim. You know you mean.
Speaker 3:So if you're spitting shit, you get more shit and if you're spitting truth and you're spitting healing and you're spitting pain and I'm holding on and I'm trying to heal. But I'm trying to focus to get to feeling as good as fast as I can as possible. But I'm not talking toxic positivity here, but we're reaching for the better feeling, Even if, if anger is better than depression, I'm still going to be angry instead of depressed, because it's still better than being depressed. I'm just like inching up that scale you know every day to get out of the lows and into the high. That is because you'll only get like the frequency you're on, Like you'll only get like if you're shit and you think everything's shit. Well, I bet you could look around your life and there's a lot of things that are shit.
Speaker 1:Sorry for making this about shit and sandwich, and maybe this is the shittiest podcast interview you've ever had.
Speaker 1:But no, I love how real you are and how fresh because it's so true and I feel the same way and I often feel, you know, kind of back to that, speaking your truth, like I have to bite my tongue a little bit when I'm around people who behave that way, because I don't I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings but at the same time I don't have a tolerance for that. I think our kids would agree they're like hey, mom, you know let us feel our feelings, and I'm all for that.
Speaker 1:But also you're the one that gets to decide how you move forward and how you view the world. And if you view it as you're being stuck, you're being it's being done to you. That's how you're going to feel about everything you don't have a tolerance for the bullshit People ask me.
Speaker 3:you know that they always come around with the restaurant and they're like and my husband's always like, really again. And I'm like I can't help myself. It's so good, um, so the servers will come around and be like all right, welcome to the restaurant everybody. Okay, can we get your uh, by the way, before I get into the menu, are there, are there any allergies around the table? And I'm like uh, everybody's like no, no allergies. I'm like, oh yeah, I've got one. Really. I'm like uh, just um cilantro and bullshit, Is that?
Speaker 2:is that okay? So I always pair it with cilantro.
Speaker 3:So I'm like, oh yeah, me, uh, cilantro and bullshit. But it's true, you have no tolerance for that. You know what I mean. So it's like fill it, figure out what real is for you and go heal. This isn't toxic. Positivity and a lot is going to be hard.
Speaker 3:None of us get out of this pain free. It's coming for all of us, right, but we don't have to be victims to it. I just think it's fun to live life in a way that is a little gamified, Like I'm always kind of looking for. You know, I'm always asking for the things, and I think that's I live with my head on a swivel, and I think that's for the joy, for the good and not the bad, and I think that's how abundance finds you. And for four years you know all this healing. I was not doing that. This is one of my favorite things about human design is one of the things that reveals is how you know when you're out of alignment and how it actually physically shows up in your life, and for me it was bitterness.
Speaker 2:It is bitterness.
Speaker 3:So when I am bitter and bitter for me over the last four years, I say 2025 has been pretty good for me, but like, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, really, really, 2024, 2024 was bad. It was like, well, easy for her, or it must be nice, or jealousy, or envy, or that's not how. No, it must be nice, she, she, she's got a rich husband, or oh, that's. You know all this bullshit that I was never like that. You know what I mean. Like or oh, it must be nice. I mean she's an, or her dad was an oil, of course that you know.
Speaker 3:Whatever it is like, you know you're surrounded by all this wealth up here in Arizona. Right, there's people up here. It's like crazy, right. And so, instead of being like old Judy, like, oh, show me everything. Yes, right, my mommy used to clean houses and I'd walk into these houses and I'd be like I want to front porch with rocking chairs, like they have three Christmas trees, like it was like aspirational for me. I got to a place where I was like fuck them and fuck you and fuck that and fuck money. You know what I mean. And like no wonder I'm broke, no wonder I'm dark, no wonder I'm struggling, no wonder no books are coming in, no wonder because I'm literally blocking all of it with my bullshit.
Speaker 3:Yes, my own, it was. I'm like, oh my god, it was like in the light. So, whether it's whatever therapy, do, like, whatever that work is you're doing, you doing yourself. It's why it's so important, because I needed so, I, because I needed someone else to reflect to me outside of me what it was going to take for me to self-lead my way out of it, because my husband couldn't fix that, my bestie ain't going to fix that, like, no, like I got to fix that and I did, and it set me free. And then so, and it's not easy, and it's a journey of constantly revisiting it, and now I know when I I'll feel like I'll feel a bitterness something will happen.
Speaker 3:I'll be there. It is awareness. What's going on here? What's going on? Something's off? That's right. It's like it's. It's like a radar. I'm like Ooh yeah. I can stop it and I course correct it, right.
Speaker 2:I'm. I'm so with you on this and I actually gamify. I love that, my thoughts. So, even though I'm not saying the negative thing or the toxic thing or the envious thing, if I catch myself thinking it. I question that because I've come to realize, like I'm not the thoughts, I'm the thinking machine and I control these thoughts that come out of that thinking machine all day long, not when I'm sleeping, that's just whatever happens, but like during the day, when I'm awake I own my thoughts and when I'm with people I own my speech. I mean, that's stoic wisdom that I've like you know, but but it's so powerful and it's like it's, if you can just get control of your tongue and your urges that are just like you're so many of your problems.
Speaker 2:Go away, you know. And it's like that's what I love about stoicism is there's no fluff, no BS, it's just here's the shit that you need to do if you want to have a happy life. And it's up to you to do it. You know, and it's like, okay, cool, and it's up to you, it's up to you Self-leadership ownership right. Oh.
Speaker 3:Leadership ownership. Right, oh same. That's my rub and that's how things happen. Yeah, I love that. It's so good.
Speaker 2:And the pain is the path you know Like when you're feeling the pain from something you're like. That's what needs fixed in my life. I need like in your situation, like you felt the pain and you felt so destroyed by it and it was like if you would have ignored that and pushed through it, it still wouldn't matter.
Speaker 3:I'll read you what I write as I open the section and then before we have to do an oracle reading. But here's what I write about the pain as we go into it. So there's this little clue that sets up pain right. So I say pain is the threshold between what was and what could be. It is the turbulence that shakes us loose from old ways of thinking, being and believing. And yet we often resist it, treating discomfort like a stop sign instead of a portal. But pain is intelligence. It carries messages, directions, breakthroughs. It does not come to break you, it comes to wake you. So in this section we meet our pain head on, not as an enemy but as an invitation. We learn to decode its wisdom, honor its lessons and move through it with faith instead of fear. We stop outsourcing our power to what the world expects and start trusting our own map, because this is where the shift begins.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it has to be there. It's a portal.
Speaker 3:It's a portal and it could take you, make you or break you, you decide.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you decide. I often think that self-awareness can be a curse if left unchecked, because I get in my own head Put that on a quote card, no doubt. I get in my head about like well, to your point, when you were younger, look at this, it's so great. And then something shifted. Well, sometimes it's the awareness of other things around you that causes you to think differently. So I get in my head sometimes, but without awareness, you're also not paying attention to the little messages that come in through the universe, the things that tell you this doesn't feel right in my, in my body, like I'm literally the way that I feel, my responses and reactions. It'll tell you that's right If you're paying attention. If you're paying attention, yep.
Speaker 3:Yep. Oh my God, I want to be respectful of your time so. I can sit here for like six hours and keep riffing with you so good On stop. I need to get to Tampa. You guys are first on my list when I get to Tampa. Oh my God, nice, yeah, yeah, yeah, we would love it Absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's anytime. You are absolutely welcome here anytime, and there is plenty of beautiful things to do here, and we can riff and play some music too. Oh my God, oh my God, I know you are a singer, I know you are a performer in there.
Speaker 3:I wish I was, if I could. Oh my God, if I could sing I'd be Queen Herbie. Do you guys know who Queen Herbie is?
Speaker 1:She just played here not too long ago. Like last year, she's on my list.
Speaker 3:I'm like I will not turn 50. I have to go see her live. I missed most of the shows last year. She is a huge I mean motivational rap actress, really truly weird, wild, witchy rapper, artist, singer, creative energy being. She's just so cool. But her music opened me up to the genre of motivational hip-hop and motivational rap and things like Kristen Teeb and Tony Jones.
Speaker 3:I mean there's just so many rappers and poets and writers out there that have just really there's this movement of like, because hip hop, if you really think about what you listen as much as I am here, I mean it is I came, I come from the nineties, okay so, and I born and raised in St Louis and we you know we, I mean music, you know we I mean anybody who grew up in the eighties and nineties, I mean the birth of hip hop, right, I mean anybody who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I mean the birth of hip hop, right. And I grew up in an edgy neighborhood and it was very diverse and so I was listening to stuff I should not have been listening to at a very young age and anyway. So I've always loved hip hop. But if you really think about the vibration of that music and some of the things that they're saying. I had to be careful with it because words are wands, yeah, and what we take in it's still a, for music is the. You know, albert Einstein says music frequency will be the medicine of the future, and so I now do a lot of old school hip hop instrumental beats.
Speaker 3:I write to a lot of that stuff because I pull some of the words out, because I don't want to like, give me that, give me some of this stuff is like a little little wild and you know, do I really do I? You know, bitches ain't nothing but hoes and sluts. Hold on, is that?
Speaker 2:is that really the message here?
Speaker 3:I love you, snoop and I love you, snoop, but maybe I'll just roll on the instrumental of that, but anyway, so there's this whole. So when I found like inspirational hip hop, um, oh my God. And so I have this whole Spotify playlist you should pull it cameo for the show notes the holy flow playlist, so it's got all kinds of stuff I mean there's some Eminem on there, um, but it's like lose yourself, you know what I mean. Um, there's some prints, baby, I'm a star. So there's some like a little collection of things that live in my brain, this whole genre of like motivational, like rap and hip hop, and it changed my life. I'm like this exists, and so that frequency was one of the tools like therapy I used to heal myself when I lost her over the last couple of years, and so queen, um, I gotta get to see her in a live show, but she's, yeah, she's one of my, my muses. If I could really sing, oh, I, I, I cannot sing, but I envy anyone who can in a good way.
Speaker 1:Well, I love your playlist. I follow your playlist because it's very fun, and I need to listen to it some more as I'm like getting ready, because it sets the tone. What you invite in is how you show up in the world, and that sets the stage. I got to ask you some rapid fire questions because I know that these answers are going to be bomb, so we'll start with some basic stuff Like what's in your coffee.
Speaker 3:You're drinking a coffee right now. What's your coffee? So this is an iced coffee and it is an espresso pod with some skim milk, actual dairy. There's dairy in here, you guys, with milk, and then cinnamon and um, one, one half a packet of Stevia, and then I just shake it and then put it in there. But if I'm drinking my morning coffee, I have to. My morning coffee has a scoop of protein powder in it, cause your girl's got to get that protein.
Speaker 1:Add a girl. Add a girl A little scoop of the protein. Perfect Childhood scent.
Speaker 3:Yes, you got to put it in first Childhood scent sent electric by Debbie Gibson Come on.
Speaker 1:Go on. Debbie Gibson is like my childhood spirit animal. I used to set up the camera and turn her on with a huge speaker with a microphone and play it like I thought I was Debbie Gibson, totally.
Speaker 3:Well, she followed me on Instagram and I fell out. I was like panic she followed me last year. It was like around the holiday season last year and I opened my thing and I was like wow. And then I shared it and I was like, oh my God, my teenage self would be dead right now, and actually low key. My 48 year old self was like, also really dead, but you just never know how things are going to come around. But yeah anyway, electric youth, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:And you know what. Back to what Greg said and what you just said, if you're 12 or 14 year old, self would be screaming about what's happening.
Speaker 3:You're doing it right Doing that shit you better do it at a rotation.
Speaker 1:That's right. Amen. Morning person or night owl.
Speaker 3:More of a night owl, yeah, but I love mornings.
Speaker 2:I'm the same way.
Speaker 1:I don't want to go to sleep and then I'm like ready for the morning to wake up, as I'm going to sleep. I just, I just, yeah, me too, I didn't have to sleep.
Speaker 3:I'm probably like not an early morning person, but I do enjoy mornings, uh, but I'm probably, I write in the mornings, I'm probably the most creative and most awake in the mornings, but then things will hit at night too. You know I have pretty active dreams and stuff, so it just kind of depends on flow. But can I say both.
Speaker 1:Both is fine, both is valid. Go to karaoke song. You back to that? Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Caribbean queen by Billy ocean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Love it why? Why that one Cause it is just a vibe.
Speaker 3:My mom cleaned houses and my mom and dad loved R&B and so when my mom would clean our house or any other house, she would always have her little boom box and be putting on the like R&B, so like Lionel Richie and Billy Ocean and like Luther Vandross and like all that stuff. So Caribbean Queen was one of my mom's favorites and it just became a thing and it's like no one sees it coming too. It's like people are like boom. You know just the beginning of it.
Speaker 3:And then it's like woo, she's so awesome, she touched by me and painted on jeans. I mean, come on. I mean it's like an all heads turn, cause she was the queen.
Speaker 2:She had these. What did she have?
Speaker 3:Oh electric eyes that you can't ignore Come on, let's go. I didn't see this, this, you know, this passion that burned you like never before. See what I'm saying. So.
Speaker 2:I can add the little ad-libs in there. You guys.
Speaker 1:Yes, my God, I cannot get yeah. So.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:The three of us together and Judy.
Speaker 3:I'm sure your husband is right there. We got to get into the laboratory. We'll get into a little creative lab one day.
Speaker 1:That was amazing. All right, last one, last one, last one, easy one. Back to music. I was asked this recently on a podcast and I blinked because I'm like I don't know, but I think about it a lot because we're very into UFC. But a walkout song you have a walkout song, probably yes.
Speaker 3:I do and it depends on the mood of like the audience.
Speaker 3:Okay, I want to know yours Like, like my soul Um so I would say cause, everybody wants to play a hollaback girl and that's not really the vibe. Like cause, it's like it. You know I love Gwen Stefani, but ever that's no. People don't know what else to do. So I mean, if I'm walking out to anything, it's probably some old school like a, an old school like run DMC. That's always a favorite for me.
Speaker 3:Um, sometimes it's instrumental, like instrumental. Snoop and Dre, like next episode's always a good one. Uh, lately it has been vitamins by Queen Herbie, um, like like the main refrain of that one. And um, yeah, I mean, if I could hit a beastie boys moment, that's always fun. Nelly, I'm from st louis so I have a lot, but like nelly is always a fun one. It's just hard to find naughty like non-naughty outtakes. You know so kind of depending on where I'm at, I have like a little bag of tricks, but I think I always feel really good when I come on to like. Well, lately I've been feeling really good coming out to vibrant thing by Q-Tip.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a great beat, Isn't that a good bop? And you just feel good and I was like we're talking about being vibrant and vibrant. So that's been one that I'm like really into and it's like real good girl, pretty little you know, and that whole beat in the and so I'm backstage out here. Come on, I'm like's fun. So that's been my vibe lately. Sorry, that's a long answer to the question.
Speaker 1:20 songs but uh, well, that's okay. I may as well have asked you what's your favorite song ever, and you know that's like the dumbest question ever.
Speaker 3:Too hard, yeah, depending on what mood I'm in. Right, that's right well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, judy, you have been such a bright light in my life over the last five years. Your indirect support by showing up in my feed, even behind the scenes, when maybe you weren't feeling it, it still felt like you did to me. Thank you, I receive it. It kept me going on days when I wasn't sure. You've taught me how to embrace fear and find my own voice and to accept my pain as a gift to share with others so that they can accept their own. And I can't thank you enough for what you give to the world, to the universe, to the holoverse, and for being here today, because this is an absolute honor. I have chills all over my body.
Speaker 1:If you could see them they're like my goodness, and I just, I am just absolutely blown away by the fact that you're here. The nerves subsided. I was nervous when we started I get.
Speaker 3:I couldn't tell you guys are great.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly you might go down in history.
Speaker 3:This didn't even feel like we were on a podcast episode. This was just so in flow and so in sync and just the two are really spectacular and I'm cameo congrats on the book. And just you know, you two as humans, as artists, as parents, as people, as partners, like you know, keep going through it for all of us, because your wisdom, your stories, your realness on the other side of it is what the world needs now more than ever. So I'm just thank you for sharing me with your audience.
Speaker 1:Yes, thanks for blazing the trail, and please share where we can find more about you, the best place to find the most Judy, and also order the book.
Speaker 3:So the book is available now. You can buy it wherever you like buying books Amazon, barnes, noble. You can go to judyhollercom to learn more. There's, of course, a landing page for the book itself holleratyourdreamscom. Find me on Instagram. But wherever you buy books, type in holler at your dreams and you'll find the book I love. And we're wrapping the podcast at 11, 11, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Perfect. Will you close this down with an? With a page.
Speaker 3:I'll close down with the page. Let's see where we land. Perfect, okay, we're going to give it up, we're going to take it and we I opened to a piece. Um, there's a piece on each page. One is a concept called big butts. But I'm going to read the poem, the piece on the page. So here's, here's what we've got.
Speaker 3:It's a piece I wrote, called if only, if only regret never lingered, second chances lasted forever and there was no such thing as a last dance. If only days stretched longer, dogs lived as long as we do and ice cream didn't melt so fast. If only hate was erased, anger faded like echoes and love was all that remained. If only youth was infinite, aging was effortless and we had more time. That's in the peace section. As you start to make peace with where you're at. You know, if only, if only Things we can change, things we can't change, sort of a remembering when I wrote that of you know, be grateful for what you have. And there's things that suck. And God, I wish this ice cream wasn't going so fast. And my dog I don't want to lose my dog, but God there could be, there could be things that are so much worse. But also, if only we had more time, which is a message to seize the moment and and and do it now which is the essence of hollering at your dreams.
Speaker 1:Love it. Thank you so much, judy. We have new episodes every Wednesday. Please tune back into the cameo show. You can find us on Instagram or at my website. Cameo Elise brawncom until.
