The Everyday Mystic

Alchemizing Adversity: Turning Past Friction Into Future Flow w/ Lizzie Loch

• Corissa Saint Laurent • Episode 91

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This is the conversation that almost didn't happen. After two previous recording attempts were thwarted by inexplicable "spiritual interference," Lizzie Loch and Corissa finally connect for the final episode of 2024.

Lizzie, a multidimensional channel and intuitive guide, joins Corissa to discuss the art of Alchemy. In a world that teaches us to suppress pain or fix our problems through a sick-care system, Lizzie offers a radical alternative: what if your density is actually the fuel for your expansion?

They dive deep into the concept of Surrender, debunking the myth that it means passivity, and redefining it as a state of high-precision listening. They also tackle the medical system, the power of reclaiming your sovereignty in the face of illness, and why the ultimate goal of all spiritual work is simply to remember how to play.

In this episode, we cover:

  • The Control Paradox: Why the tighter we grip our plans, the less effective we become, and how to pivot to a state of strategic allowing.
  • Trauma Alchemy: A channeled reframing of trauma as a tool for expanded awareness rather than a badge of victimhood.
  • Sovereignty in Crisis: How to maintain your internal authority even when navigating broken external systems (like the medical industry).
  • The Mirror Test: The one question you need to ask to determine if a job, relationship, or treatment is right for you: "Is this mirroring my highest and best?".
  • The Aliveness Metric: How to use your body's energetic response to vet high-stakes decisions when the data is ambiguous.

Notable Quotes:

  • "We don't see trauma as negative, we see trauma as an opportunity for expanded awareness." — Lizzie Loch
  • "When I'm truly surrendered is when I'm listening... listening so fully to what is so alive right now." — Lizzie Loch
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  • "It's like we're on this journey to remember to chill... We're literally just remembering how good it is and how easy it can be." — Lizzie Loch

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Corissa Saint Laurent

I can't believe we're at the end of year two of the Everyday Mystic. This is the final episode of 2024. I'm so honored to be doing this with you and to be transmitting this information with you. I'm grateful for your attention to this space and to the guests that I have on. Today's guest is a returning friend and incredible intuitive guide and channel and artist. My friend Lizzie Locke joins us today. And I'll let the episode speak for itself. I mean, really, it's we didn't plan on it being this, but it ended up being such a beautiful culmination of what is the everyday mystic path and what is this opportunity that we all have through this podcasting journey. And the prayer that I want to offer into this listening is that you pull from it exactly what you need, and that the words fuel you and give you love and guidance, and that you feel through this time spent closer to who you really are. You're listening to the Everyday Mystic, where we share advice and stories grounded in the practical and supercharged by the spiritual. If you're ready to tap into your inner wisdom and the energy of all that is, you're in the right place, and we're so happy you're here. Let's get this party started. We already obviously already recorded an episode way back when, and maybe a year ago or so. And so, listeners, you can go back and tune into that episode. That's more of an introduction to Lizzie. You get to know her, get to know her work, more of an interview in that episode. And today, or this round, we wanted to get together to transmit together and to share what was coming through to the audience and talk with about whatever was meant to be. And this is round three, because we've tried two other times. Both of them, completely different topics. The first one we were talking really and going deep on beauty and the energy of beauty. And then very conversely, but maybe not so converse, actually, not conversely, just a different topic, but the same energy we were talking about death. And because Lizzie's mom had just passed and it was really big and it was happening in that moment, and it was a beautiful thing to talk about. But both of those recordings were not good to share. There was all sorts of interference, and it was interference, so interestingly, that did not pick up on the recording tracks. So normally, if there's interference from the actual physical environment, it's on the tracks, and I can get rid of it. It's kind of a pain in the ass, but I can still like go in and dig it out and get rid of it. This was spiritual interference. It was not on the tracks. It was just like all of these like weird, these sounds and these things that were not present there that I couldn't remove. So here we are, round three, which I knew you would be game for because you understand how energy works, how the spiritual realms work, and that we were guided to this moment and this time to offer something different and come together in this space and time, and that this is what is meant to be. We hope, right? Fingers crossed, it is. And if not, then we know that you know we're being pushed to and guided to something else. Yes.

Lizzie Loch

And we'll follow that. And it's so beautifully put because I know for myself in life right now, a theme that just comes through again and again and again. And it's something I think I've mastered until I learn a deeper layer of it, is the theme of surrender. And the theme of the way in which to do that is by so letting go of an attachment of what you think needs to be, or what you want to happen, or what you think should happen, and really just being present with what is and accepting what is. And I think our recordings are a beautiful example of that. We definitely had some spiritual, other dimensional friends come in that you know are ushering us to connect again and begin again, and it's such a gift to be able to do so and to see what what wants to be shared here, what wants to come through. And it's always great to to be with you and to hang out with you.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Right. I know it's spirit, I think in those other times just wanted us to connect. And and we had been that first recording, both of us had been in Europe for a couple months and uh not seeing each other there and hadn't connected in a while. So it was like that coming back in that recording, it was great to just to reconnect. And it's so, you know, both of these times, and it always is beautiful to connect with you and and be in the energy of you and be in this space. I want to talk about surrender more because this is obviously a theme so deeply entrenched in the spiritual world and in this path, getting to almost the, you know, the comfort and the joy of surrender, getting to a place where it no longer is as scary a proposition as it once was. And that takes many times of letting go, right? It's not the first time you let go and surrender. And maybe it's for some people it's the tenth time, some people it's the thousandth time or the millionth time. But the practicing of letting go and dropping into surrender, the more you do it, the more you get from it, right?

Lizzie Loch

Yeah. And it's it's a day-by-day, I find, moment-by-moment practice because there's just deeper and deeper layers of letting go depending on what's present and what's arising, and and coming up with our programming and mechanisms of control that we unconsciously or consciously maybe have in place of needing to control our internal environment, needing to control something outside of us in order to feel safe or in order to have it be okay. What I find as I deepen in my understanding of surrender is the more I let go of those pieces that want to control anything, and the more I really sit with the allowance of what is, even if it's not what I had thought, not what I had wanted, but it is what is, then and only then does the surrender truly begin.

Corissa Saint Laurent

I love that you said it begins there, because it isn't just a one-stop or one-step process. It's like you let go and then what? Like now you enter in a completely different portal, right?

Lizzie Loch

Yeah. Exactly. And it's it's like both being the witness and the creator of your of your own life simultaneously. And the view, it it the way I see it, is it's so much to do with our perceptive view of allowing, because surrendering is also a viewscape of reality to allow an unfoldment bigger than you is a particular perception that creates a particular experience of allowing versus a perception of like this is how my life looks and goes this way, may create a particular experience, even if it doesn't go that way.

Corissa Saint Laurent

So what we're really letting go of and surrendering to are how we've been programmed or how we've been constructed as a it through our human experience. And what we're letting go into is our soul's experience here, the our energetic body, the all of us, the wholeness of who we are, rather than just that compartmentalized set of reactions or set of responses or set of programs, really, that have been put into play. Is that what you mean by what you were saying? Yeah.

Lizzie Loch

Yes, so much so in that as we let go of these programs and things that we've learned, it's a surrender into, I find, our our divine essence, like who we truly are. And when we are who we truly are, I believe anything that's for us will will naturally find us, will naturally come to us. And we don't even have to force it or push it or manifest it so hard that it comes, it will just come. And so much of surrender is getting out of the way, like with those mechanisms that we've learned of how we should do something, or what's the safe way, or what's this idea of right and wrong? Like, this is the right way, this is the wrong way. Or I know something I've had to really master on my own growth journey is like, is this the right choice? Is this the wrong choice? Even when it came to the intuitive choice, right? Is this the right intuitive choice? Is this the wrong intuitive choice? Like, and underneath that is still the mechanism of control or right and wrong. And that's also a program because I truly believe if you approach everything, no matter what the choice is, as the right choice, you're going to get exactly where you need to be much quicker than being in the frenetic energy of like, is this right and is this wrong? And personally, that's been a big one I've had to deconstruct.

Corissa Saint Laurent

So it's just giving up that judgment, not judging ourselves or our lives through that lens of duality, I guess, right? That right or wrong polarity or the good and evil polarity, or it is almost like a neutrality. And that follows that whether we say it's metaphorically or it's it's absolutely real, the the center that we come into through this. And we're no longer like between these poles. We are operating from this neutral center. That divine essence feels like it is peace. If I could describe it in a way that feels like a word that people know, it's peace. You know, you're you're just there's no questions anymore, there's no worry, there's no judgment, there's no fear. It's almost like being in that primordial state of just cre the beginnings of creation.

Lizzie Loch

Yes. I love that that prom that primordial state of the beginnings of creation. As I hear you say that, I just feel this like the essence of creation that comes through, and I almost see these like rocks, like so so, so old that are just like there and in themselves, and then like when an essence comes through, like a rock breaks off and like moves and becomes something else, and maybe that rock becomes another planet somehow, and it just shh because it is, but that rock is is peaceful, and when we find that peace, regardless of what's occurring externally, then I feel like we're in that center point, no matter what's happening in our life, no matter our relational status, our financial status, our mental emotional, like when we can really hold that peace regardless of what the experience is, and know that everything is gonna be okay, and know that we're held, and witness ourselves, even witnessing our human emotions, our human thoughts are whatever is going on that we're not sure about, but we know underneath that there's peace, that's I'd say the direct line to our soul, to our essence, to spirit, to God, to source.

Corissa Saint Laurent

And you know, I think at that point that you are operating from that place. If you can hold your human in that love and in that embrace, and in, you know, that it's not you, the human anymore, doing that. It is your higher self or that divine essence or soul coming in to be that support, to be that guide, to be the one that is says, We got you, I got you. You're not alone, you're not, you don't need to worry about all, you know, making this right decision, wrong decision, this worry about that. Whatever state that you might find yourself in, all of this is for your benefit and it's all gonna work out. But in order for it to work out beyond surrender and letting go and trusting that state of being, for then you to be in that seat of your divine essence, where do you go next? Because there's the surrender to and go, okay, I'm surrendering. Okay, now I I can I see and I have this greater vantage, and I can go, oh, all right, I see those silly little things that are playing out, and you know, and we get that viewpoint. But then from there, do you just continue to surrender or do you take some action from that place that would then help in the either the processing that needs to happen or the further letting go that needs to happen or or whatever it might be?

Lizzie Loch

Yeah. Where do you go? I love that question. For me, I find when I'm truly surrendered is when I'm listening. And when I'm listening, I'm able to hear the pings of my soul, of my intuition that just kind of ripple through my body like music and guide me to go somewhere, to drive somewhere, to call someone, to write something, to make a piece of art. And so I find when I'm most surrendered, I'm often, and this isn't a blanket statement, but I'm often taking more action. It's just very precise to where the energy really is. The surrendering is like listening to listening so fully to what is so alive right now, like nature, like where where is the aliveness within me, and where is that aliveness leading me? And sometimes the aliveness is leading you away from what you thought you needed to do, right? Sometimes the aliveness is leading you to be still and to be with yourself. Sometimes the aliveness is leading you to go to that event when your human mind is like, I just want to stay home. And sometimes the aliveness is leading you to stay home when your human mind is, I should go meet people. And so it's recognizing that and noticing that in the moment. And where I find the aliveness is is where I find the breath is, where I find the spaciousness is, where I find the openness is, rather than the contraction. In one way, is like literally feeling into your heart and listening in the moment, like, okay, what action step here is making my heart expand, and what action step is making it kind of contract a little bit. Whatever that is, and and if you don't know, get still. Get still, slow down for a minute, or clean your house, or do what you do know in that moment, and you'll naturally thread by thread, moment by moment, be in what's there for you because in that too, it's even the little steps like going for a walk or doing the dishes or just the the simple human things that are so rich and full of so much for us when we remember that. It's not just the big actions or the big steps or the big career moves or this or that. It's it's everything, it's the journey of it all.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yes, and threading all of those every moments together will lead to those bigger moves, the bigger actions that you take. And the all of those small actions or inactions will matter, especially coming from that place of surrender to what is, trust in our higher selves and source, and also adding in that layer of have some freaking fun with it, right? Like just enjoy the moment, enjoy the ride. And we can only do that if we trust that the ride isn't gonna kill us. And I think you know, we got to get out of that fear. You know, we have that option and that opportunity to get out of the fear of is this ride gonna kill me? And if we can say, no, it's not gonna kill me, it's going to lead to something bigger, beautiful, or more beautiful, greater, whatever expansive term we want to give it. And then really fall into the joy of that moment. That too, I feel like whether it leads us faster or more efficiently to what is meant for us and what's next, it's definitely makes it more fun. Like, and that's enough. I think that that's enough.

Lizzie Loch

I think that's the point of this whole thing, like of being alive. Like, let's have fun, let's experience, let's discover, let's create things. Like, we're here in this exploration, so let's make it okay to explore and to play. We've made up the rules that it has to be serious and hard once we become an adult.

Corissa Saint Laurent

But does it? Talk to all of the adults that you know, and I think that they will probably not give you that impression. Like we can all just look around us, and just by looking at and taking stock of most adult humans around us, they're not flowing in this space, they're not in that state of joy and wonder and fun in order to get there. You know, they utilize a lot of substances and a lot of distractions and a lot of things that we humans have created to propel us to that place. And I'm not here to judge those things that we've created as humans to get to those places, but it's like, do we need all that? And does that prevent us from truly accessing our full power? Because we can get there just by deciding we want to be there.

Lizzie Loch

Totally. Like, imagine, imagine. I these scenes play out in my mind all the time. They used to be musicals when I was younger in like grocery stores. I'd be like, what if everyone was just dancing down the aisles? Like that's like, and then and what if, like, I'm imagining right now, I'm in Hollywood, California, of all places, and I'm imagining like, what if outside on a city street humans were to walk and like follow their wonder and like stop and look at the leaf, or like pick up the rock from the mulch while walking to work and take a moment and connect with that and then connect with each other, like just like children do when they're at the park and they're like, Do you want to play? There's not an attachment to like who are you? I need your number, I need to like solidify this into something tangible. There's just a an attachment to the moment. Totally. No names are exchanged. It's just like you're not worried about like making a plan later. It's just like, right now you want to play? Yeah. Yeah. Let's play. And life is like that. Whether it's like the picking up a rock in the ground or like I love to wave to people in traffic, just just smile, like, like wave to them like you're they're your best friend, you know? Like, why not? Like, we're all humans. And I've met so many people doing that. I mean, I don't know their names, but yeah, you have a moment with them. You have these moments, and then these moments are life is a string of moments. So in the process of surrender is the process of play, like you're saying, and like how we can play with a moment. There's infinite ways to play with each moment, you know.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yes, and that is one of the biggest programs of this construct here that took us from that childlike wonder and play and freedom in that to where so many of us sit as adults, to where that's hard to do or that feels weird to do, unless, you know, you're drinking or on some substance or whatever. So that's one of the saddest things about this reality here, that that was taken from people. And that, you know, and it could be very meaningful that, you know, we that was part of the journey was to have it taken away so that when we rediscover it, we're like, oh, oh my god.

Lizzie Loch

Yeah. Like how I think this is. Yes, it was, you know, it was taken, and now it feels like we're in this period of reclamation, like we're reclaiming like our expansiveness, our play, or our going beyond the confines and the constructs of what's labeled as re are weird or not, you know, the civilized thing to do in the moment, but just like being open to that expression and that connection. Because I find, and I've worked with leaders of the world and every kind of human you can imagine from children to 80 some years old. And you know what I have landed on as a human is every single human at their core, whether they're a billionaire or a college student, they just want to play. Like we're we're all working so hard so that we can have moments of play. Yeah. And connection and love and experience and joy. And when we start with that, then what do we create from that rather than starting from potentially a fear of not having that? Right? But when you know you already have it, you just create more of it. And when you think you don't have it, you create not having it.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yeah. It's that's the magic part. It's like decide that you have that, decide that this is how you want to feel and be and uh where you want to operate from. It's a I've been using this word lately, the the orientation. It's your orientation to life through this place rather than orienting to life from that serious adult vantage point, right? You're orienting from that divine essence, which is that playful essence, which is that surrendered essence, which is that trusted, joyful, loving place. And it's not naive, right? It's not this, it's actually more knowing than any other human orientation. It's so much wiser than we could ever know. Yes. And when we orient from that place and start from there, like you're saying, then we create from there, and it's like, oh, life is more than you could ever imagine it can be. And we have to keep reminding ourselves because I think we hit these, well, at least I do, hit these walls with that of going, well, it can't be this wonderful, or it can't be this magical, or it can't be that, right? And then that the wall comes back down and and it encloses me in to oh, I've got to fight my way back out of that. Re-surrender. It's it's like re go back through the steps, go back through the remembering. Yeah, and it's been this interesting. I feel like that's what the journey has been like for me, is it's such a cycle of going through those motions of where, okay, now I'm gonna remember again. And I want to hold on to it at all times. I want to always be in that state and always be in that understanding and in that orientation. But life has that way of just coming to you and smacking you with these opportunities. I to go deeper and to to test.

Lizzie Loch

And I I love the word that you say to receive. I know that's been a big growth point in my own personal journey and and still is to this day, is learning how to receive more, like receive more of the goodness that you know, when you get to this point of like, oh my god, this is so so so so good. Oh, it should probably be hard now. Yeah, programs in like, hold on, throw me something I don't like, real quick. Or you should throw me something hard because it's it's so good. And I think so much of this journey is is us actually taking down the barriers to receive more of how good it actually can be. To receive more of like I was laughing over the summer. I was like, this journey is so funny because we're literally just remembering how good it is and how easy it can be. Like that's the like it's like we're on this journey to to remember to chill. It's all good, it's all easy, and like that's that's where we're getting to. We're not getting to this place of like, oh, it's gonna be hard and terrible. It's it's it's actually the opposite. We're moving through those thought forms, those belief systems, and as we surrender, we get up against those belief systems that want to release so that we can actually receive more of the goodness that is here and allow our capacity to expand. Of like, oh, can you hold this all? Can you hold all this joy? Can you hold all this expansion within your body? Which literally, I believe, also has to do with the amount of light that we can hold in our body, which has to do with the purging of the densities out of our physical body of like, whoa, I can hold, I can hold this all.

Corissa Saint Laurent

That is part of how we can work with ourselves here, right? That it isn't just journeying off to these other realms, very much about working with our human self, this body and mind, to operate and orient to the greater understanding of what this life is. And yet we can't leave this body yet. I mean, when if we want to, you can, but you know, we we since we've chosen to stay and we're here in it now, it's there is work to do there of releasing those densities. And, you know, other guests and I have talked about you know certain things with the with the body of how we release within the body, and all of it is so beautiful and all of it is so helpful. And I think this is all what we get to do as individuals here, that we get to choose the things that resonate with us in order to get into that perfect for us vibrating state. Some of that it's like going to be coffee enemas for this person and juice cleanses for that person, or swimming in the ocean for this person, or you know, getting rid of all these toxic relationships for this other person. And maybe it's a combination of all of that for everybody, but we are taking those very conscious actions in this life to get to that place of where we can vibrate with the frequency of our own soul or with our source and get into that vibrating frequency. It isn't just through this spiritual ascension of like, okay, I'll just meditate there. It's like, well, we've got to also do and work with the body and mind here as well, because the meditation only takes us so far. You know, it will allow us to enter into spaces where we can have, you know, we where we can travel and have communication with other realms. But the body is the like you were saying, with the heart, with and the heart is both energetic and physical, right? In our bodies, but it is this antenna. And if that antenna is all in in any part of our body as an antenna, is mucked up with density, it's not going to be able to transmit as well.

Lizzie Loch

And the wisdom of play that we're talking about, like the level of wisdom of like where I see the creation, as you'd say, primordial play comes from, I feel like holds all of that and has the awareness to be self-aware. Because sometimes, even I think there can be so much judgment around how difficult it can be in a body at sometimes at moments, or like the process of feeling fear, or the process of being non-high vibrational in a moment. But I think the more we're actually accepting of that and of what is, and being like, wow, I am noticing this crazy heaviness right now. I am noticing these thought forms that are terrified, that want to control that all of this, and we can really witness it and be with those parts and not make those parts wrong, not make those parts bad, but hear them and love them and recognize within our own inner caverns what they are, who they are. In shadow work, people would personify this, or you know, there's many different modalities out there that that work with such things. But I think the key is becoming self-aware of them, not having them be wrong in any way, loving them, and then getting to co-create with them, getting to tell them, like, okay, guys, I see you, I know you're terrified, but we're gonna let our soul lead here. We're gonna work together, and then we can actually empower those aspects and normalize feeling the intensity, but not getting stuck in the intensity, which would be the difference between maybe in modern mental health, you know, and obviously I'm not a doctor, but in modern mental health, you know, there's all these labelings of anxiety and depression and this and that. And for me, that's when someone is stuck in the density rather than allowing the energy to fully alchemize. And I've seen it time and time again with people I've worked with, when you actually let that energy alchemize, you're probably not gonna be hooked on to a title of what's going on in your internal state because you're actually gonna be flowing with the energy. And if you're depressed, something might be suppressed within you. If you're anxious, what are you not looking at and acknowledging and allowing to alchemize, or where are you wanting to really put your energy? And so the more we can really be okay with the not okay, I find the deeper levels of surrender and connection we can have.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yes. And to just go deeper on that concept of alchemizing, built into that concept, is a transformation of something basic into something more incredible. So what we're getting to do with any trauma, density, trapped emotion experience that was negative is get to work with it. That's the alchemy part, right? We're like working with it and getting to see from that higher essence, the higher self-seat, getting to actually work with it to pull out the gifts from it, to work with it and transmute it into then this beautiful gift. Yes, you end up with this like gift from that work. It's such a beautiful concept or metaphor to this work. It's so beautiful in the end.

Lizzie Loch

It is, and I'm so happy that you say that because something that's come through time and time again when I've been channeling is I get told constantly, we don't see trauma as negative, we see trauma as an opportunity for expanded awareness. And if there's one thing I would like to embed throughout the whole trauma industry, because you hear something someone has something negative happen and they go, oh my god, that's traumatic, but then they almost re-imprint this negative story around like I got caught off in traffic, that was traumatic, versus like I learned a new super skill. And there's this re-embedding of like, oh my gosh, as we become aware of our traumas, how do we actually use them to elevate us to higher perceptions versus to bring us down into our victim selves?

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yes.

Lizzie Loch

And when we can go into our creator selves from acknowledging the trauma, from healing it, from seeing like, okay, yeah, that did hurt. That doesn't justify the actions, that doesn't make it okay, but it does give us an opportunity from where we are at to expand. Then we're in our creator, okay, for some reason this has occurred in my reality, and well, I don't prefer it, well, I don't agree with it. Well, I might even spend my life creating something so that doesn't happen to other people. I am going to expand through that and discover something beautiful through that rather than stay stuck in the hurt, in the pain, in big and little moments.

Corissa Saint Laurent

And that's so different than the experience of trying to get rid of it or cover it up, which you know, I will go there with the you know, medical industry, and I'm also not a medical professional, but it doesn't mean we can't have opinions about it, right? And my very strong opinion is that, you know, this industry just tries to cover shit up. It's not trying to get to the root of anything, it's not trying to actually help relieve or truly transform or elevate to the place we're talking about, to where you actually get this beautiful gift from it. It's like, well, let's bring it all up so we can re-traumatize you so that you feel so awful that we're gonna prescribe these meds that we'll then take away and just cover that up. But you're gonna feel like you need these for the rest of your life. Thanks for your money. This is a horrible approach, but it's making a lot of people rich and giving them, I guess, their instant gratification and probably helping them with their own childhood wounds if not being enough. So it's feeding a cycle of that's operating in a very low vibration. It's feeding and it's it's being, it's doing its own perfect thing. But for those who really want to elevate out of that type of cycle, there are so many other ways. So many other ways to approach these quote-unquote problems, quote unquote traumas, quote unquote negative experiences and emotions. And getting to a place where we can truly free ourselves from that should be the ultimate goal. It's not, oh, we're just gonna cover up how we feel about it.

Lizzie Loch

Yeah, yeah, I love that. And I love that we're just going straight to it because one, to anyone who's getting rich off of doing that, I just want to say to you, there's a way to be way more rich by people being well, by people by creating systems. I spent the last two years going to hospitals and chemotherapy with my mother, and there is a way where we can collectively create systems where we're operating on wellness and goodness, and people are moving from health, and and that supports everyone. And you can be as rich as you want to be from that system, so we just have to switch where we're operating from. Trust me, it's gonna feel a lot better because the person you're getting rich off is also a part of you. So, on some level, when we're taking advantage and using another person in that way, we're also hurting ourselves, and so on some level, it's not gonna ever feel good. And when there's that recognition of the connection point, then we can begin to go like, oh man, what would it look like? And I find this in in my work. Sometimes I work with osteopaths or other medical practitioners, and I'll do energy work on their patients. And I find that in that process, so many people will have physical pains, like athletes, for years. Like I worked with one girl, she has shoulder pain for years, and then couldn't went to every doctor, every specialist. But then she had to actually feel the weight of what she was holding within her shoulder, pain goes away, stops needing all the crazy treatments. And I see that time and time and time again with clients and people is when we get to the emotional root cause underneath anything, and then combine that with, of course, whatever physical treatments you feel you need, we're going to continue to resolve these issues versus when we cover it up and hide it, and as you were saying, suppress it and then take medication. We're not actually facing what's there to face. And there's a beauty in like, let's just all face it. Let's face it together and let's kill.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yes. Yes. And then there are people here to support you in facing whatever it is you need to face in your life. But I think run away as fast as you can from those who just want to help you suppress it, or going down treatment pathways that are all about removal, you know, getting rid of. It isn't about removal and getting rid of. It's about looking at it in the eye and being like, oh, this is what this signal has been trying to tell me this whole time, because these are all just signals. We're so freaking smart as a system that we're always telling ourselves. And life that we project out from us is telling us exactly what we need to know all the time. It may be very cryptic. It may not be like these exact messages that are like, okay, go and do this. Once we get very clear, like you were talking about earlier, you can get those very clear messages. And then life is just, woo, it's flowing and it's going. But until we get to that place, there's a lot of cryptic shit that can come through. It can show up as a physical ailment that you're like just came out of nowhere, or can show up as a car accident you just got into, or it can show up as a bad relationship or getting fired or whatever it might be. But life is always telling us we, as the creators of our life, are always pointing us in the direction of what we need to look at. None of it's a mystery.

Lizzie Loch

Yes, exactly. And I love that because it's any of those imbalances or things happening, they're they're all messages. They're all messages. I remember once going into a channeling and just talking to a virus and realizing that the virus had a positive intention to help the evolution of humanity. And I was like, oh my gosh, duh. Like, let's actually listen to when we get when we get a virus, when we get something like, what is it communicating to us, what's evolving within ourselves? How can we actually receive fully from what we would maybe label as a sickness or an ailment? How can we actually receive the medicine that it's giving to us? And when we've received it fully, it's going to go away if that's in our life path. And that means we may also, this isn't to discredit modern treatments because those may be a part of the path, those may be a part of the path of healing, but when you're you doing it in tandem with really understanding it and listening to it, you're gonna receive something so rich from it. And a lot of it too is taking the self-responsibility of not being a victim to what has occurred. And this is something I saw in the medical system. Apparently, it's coming up really strong today to talk about. Was um didn't know.

Corissa Saint Laurent

No, we had no idea we were gonna go here.

Lizzie Loch

I didn't know we were gonna go here, but we're here. Um and was, you know, watching my poor mother get thrown around to all these doctors who none of them wanted to really tell her what they truly felt. And all of them wanted to send her to the next specialist and the next specialist and the next specialist that would break the news that they didn't want to say to her. And it was like all these specialists, as if our body as if our head is disconnected from our hand. I I see a clear connection line here, right? And so we're operating in these disconnected systems, body systems, but when we can remember to connect them all, when we can empower ourselves as a person healing, as a creator, and then we can work with the tools and technologies that are resonant to heal, then we can start to shift the systems and really help people. And and I feel for a lot of, you know, there's so many light workers in the medical system, so many. So this isn't to bash on that system whatsoever. It's just to bring about gentle nudges of awareness of how we can start to create new systems, how we can start to help people who are healing become more self-aware of themselves and ask them questions on what they're needing. You know, so if you are a doctor or a nurse, this isn't saying quit your job. This is saying, like, I bet you can bring a lot more light to the system that you're in. I bet you can, and you're probably there for a reason. So thank you.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yeah, the attraction to the healthcare profession is so much coming from our servant leaders, the, you know, the healers. I was that person too, where you know, I started college um as a pre-med major because I wanted to be a doctor, but it was because I wanted to heal people. Yeah. And it was the natural because I didn't have yet the information for an alternative system. In my 16-year-old head, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna be a doctor because okay, I want to help heal people that equals doctor. And it wasn't until I expanded in my own understanding of things that I saw, oh, that isn't a healing space. It can be, but it isn't operating that way. Do I want to be part of a sick care system? No, hell no, that I don't want to be part of that at all. Now, could I have done great work within that? Like you're saying, can a practitioner, in having been trained up in that space, do amazing work? Absolutely. That wasn't my battle and it wasn't my path, but there's so much that can be done, and there are. I mean, there's doctors that have invited you to come in and do energy work, there's people that do prayer and reiki at hospitals. There's so much going on within that space through individuals, but the system itself is sick. But if individuals can go in there and start to do all of that alchemizing of the system, then that would be beautiful. And I do see that happening. I do see more sound healing entering hospitals and spaces and more of these vibrational energy healing systems. And it can come through light and sound. We've talked a lot about light and sound in our conversations. More of that entering those places, like a room that someone can go into after they get maybe their chemotherapy treatment, but then they go into a room where they get bathed in light and sound frequencies. Like what a beautiful combination of things. What a beautiful thing to see. And I do see that coming.

Lizzie Loch

Absolutely. It is, it is coming, it's so coming. We're all part of it. And I'd say, in the process, if you are using modern medical system, it's not about not using it. It's just about, I would recommend take your power back. Don't make the doctor or any medical practitioner or any other human your God. I tell this even with clients I'm working with. I am not your God, I am a reflection of you, but the power is within you. Don't make any other human your God. Everything's a mirror. And in that, then you can go, okay, yeah, this is actually like I am really called to this specific treatment, but from an empowered place, not from a complete victim, please save me place, but from a okay, yeah, this feels right. This feels true. And then there's no judgment around whatever you choose because that's what's true for you.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yeah. And if we can move through life with that same understanding that it's everything is a mirror or a projection of us, we can ask ourselves and our life that question: is this mirroring my highest and best? Like, ah, actually, this treatment protocol or this relationship or this job or this whatever, this thing I'm gonna choose to do today is not mirroring my highest and best. So then what can I do proactively, actively to change that? Then we get to look at each of those situations that we find ourselves in, always filter that through. Is this mirroring our my highest and best? And if it's not, then we know we have choice at that point to change something, inch our way, even. It doesn't have to be those huge, massive steps and leaps, like you were saying earlier, like the quitting the job, changing, like I'm not gonna be a doctor anymore. Um, you know, fuck those 12 years of my life. Like it doesn't have to be that drastic. But whatever shifts we can individually each make in every moment all matter. And who they matter to is you. Everything that we've shared today is all about each of our own individual path back to ourselves, path back to that true understanding of who we really are. Whatever we can do to inch or crawl our way back to that is beautiful and meaningful and something that deserves our time and attention.

Lizzie Loch

It is, it is, whatever that is. Yeah, with whomever it's with, with whatever reflection. I love I love how you say when each reflection appears, like, is this a reflection of my highest and best good? So we can really even also start to recognize where we're resonating and where we're not resonating and have it be okay. Be like, wow, this energy, this person, this opportunity, this is resonating, this is not resonating. How can we discern the difference to know what's true within our soul and something that's also come through so strong that is like a belief system I'd love to impart on humanity, as it's one that I have gone through the trenches of learning myself, is that we never have to compromise ourselves, our integrity, our soul in order to achieve our dreams. And so, whatever it is we're doing, no matter where we are, we can always keep that intact, no matter who's in front of us, no matter what the opportunity is. If something is challenging that within us, it's probably an opportunity to stand more boldly in ourselves.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yeah.

Lizzie Loch

If something is saying, oh, you need to give your this part of yourself up in order to have X, Y, and Z, it's probably an opportunity to stand more in our sovereignty. Maybe we still do the thing, but it's from a different place.

Corissa Saint Laurent

That's a big distinction point of yes, it's not that we don't necessarily do the thing, admit ourselves to the hospital, you know, going back to what we were talking about with the medical system. It's not that we don't do that, but we're now operating from a more sovereign place, making decisions from that sovereign place, from that higher self-seat. And so the decisions then become slightly different. How we move forward becomes slightly different now. Um, and it may be that you don't end up choosing that conventional or what has been traditional for you. Maybe you start to make other choices from there, but no one else is making those choices except for you. You're the one that's getting to make all of those choices for yourself. And even when we don't feel like we're making choices, we're still making choices. We're choosing all the time at every moment by not making choices, right? So we are always creating and in control of our own lives, even when we don't feel like we are. We are, but from a more unconscious place. So the opportunity is to get more conscious to the whole experience, to then be able to actually choose the things that are of our highest and best, or of our best vibration, or that aligns us to our soul, to our divine essence, rather than making choices because we still are, but that are unconscious and that are dense and that are coming from programs and coming from a different place, and making those choices to where we go, why is this happening to me? Why do these things always happen to me? Right. And we're operating from that victim space rather than from this beautiful God, the opportunity is so, so beautiful to operate from this sovereign place that we all should just want to dive right into it, but it also comes with the work, it comes with the harder stuff to face. And so, yeah, a lot of our human friends, I think, choose not to. And I absolutely have been there. I mean, I am absolutely speaking from experience of being in that time and place of where I chose to stay the victim. I chose to stay asleep. I chose to stay unconscious to the power that I had to create my own life, but I was creating it. It just was I was creating a lot of bad shit.

Lizzie Loch

Um, I love your invitation into more self-awareness, something I like to ask myself often, and I invite clients to do the same, is where am I coming from in this decision? Like, where is this coming from within me? Is this coming from a place of love? Is this coming, is this choice coming from a place of fear? Is this choice coming from an old mechanism? Or is this choice coming from my soul? And in that, you become aware when you just look at like, okay, why am I doing what I'm doing? Why am I saying what I'm saying? Am I saying what I'm saying because this is true from my heart, or I'm saying, or am I saying what I'm saying because I'm scared? Am I doing what I'm doing because this is true from my heart, or am I doing what I'm doing because I'm scared? And from there we become more self-aware. And then another prompt that I often will give to myself and others is like, if I'm being the most loving to myself in this situation, what would I do? Because when we're being truly the most loving to ourselves, we are being the most loving to others. And when our neural pathways can connect the dots, and this is speaking to anyone who tends to go help and fix other people. That's a deep pattern I've you know worked on myself throughout this life. But when you recognize the two are one in the same, when you love you more, when you show up for you more, you're actually being the most loving to everyone else. And when you're making decisions from like, okay, yeah, is going there, is doing this, is following this opportunity, is that being fully loving to me? Okay. If so, great.

Corissa Saint Laurent

That's a beautiful question to ask, and it's important to ask at every stage of the journey because I think through some people's experiences, and mine included, I didn't know necessarily what was loving, what felt loving. It's like you you've got to find it, and that's part of the journey too. Find that orientation to love and know what it really feels like to both give and receive it, or just be in the emanation of love and to get deeper into that place of love. And it can be a challenge, no doubt, for anyone that came from a really harsh set of circumstances where they never learned love. It can be a hard road to this place of what we're talking about here of just, oh, choose choosing love, being self-loving. And we don't mean for it to sound like, oh, it's an easy choice to make. It is a a road and it is a a set of opportunities always. Yeah. And that's why we start small and start in these little ways of, and I that's why I love that question so much of is this being the most loving I can be at this time? So we can always orient to exactly where we are. It doesn't have to be like, is this the most loving of all love ever conceived of by all beings?

Lizzie Loch

Yeah, exactly, exactly, because it's in the now, this is, and we might discover something in two minutes from now that's different. But right now, yeah. Yeah, I love that. The little things because it is a journey, and we're all on the journey. I'm on the journey. Like, where, you know, to even know what is loving, where is that coming from? And when you don't know, do something and you'll find out.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yes, yeah. And and this goes back to the trust and surrender we were talking about earlier, that establishing a baseline of trust, that this is a benevolent universe, that we are in and have this beautiful opportunity to experience all of life and to co-create this life, that we have that experience and we get to choose whether or not we want to take the full reins or not. And getting that opportunity is, I believe it's why we came here to have. That opportunity, but it can be a hard set of choices to make to pull yourself out of those deep, dark, dense human struggles. The beautiful output or result of pulling yourself out of all of that deep density is that there's so much more light there. It's the same amount that you can imagine. Like, oh, this is how dark things got. Well, on the other side of that is how much light is there too, because it's all in balance. Everything's in balance. We just feel like maybe we don't have access to it, but that's what exists on the other side of that dark, dark density is that same volume of light.

Lizzie Loch

Yes, yes. It's so helpful to remember in those moments of intensity of where things feel like they're crashing or crumbling or intense, just no, you're gonna propel to the other side. It's physics.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yeah. Yeah. For those of us who need more guidance in this experience and in this journey, how can people connect with you to get more of that guidance?

Lizzie Loch

Yes. So you can go to my website, which is just lizilock.com, l-i-z-z-i-e-lo-c dot com. I'm sure you'll put it below. And you can follow me on Instagram at Lizzie Lock and reach out to me there. And you can also send me an email, which I think is on my website anyhow. It's just Lizzie at LizzieLock.com and reach out.

Corissa Saint Laurent

And what are those some of those ways just for anybody who's curious that they could work with you, that you could help in being this guide because you're so multidimensional. So what is coming through for you now that you'd like to share as some just yeah, guiding them to your guidance?

Lizzie Loch

Yeah. So there's a few different ways that I work with people. Often I do really deep dive one-on-one containers where we really go deep, whether it's an emotional transformation, whether you're wanting to cultivate your intuition, whether you're just wanting guidance and um energetic clearing, and we kind of cover the full ground depending on where you're at. So those are one-on-one spaces that often go for three to six months. And you're welcome to send me an email, and I'm more than happy to have a consultation call with you on those. And also, I have some courses available online. There's a Creativity on Tap course, which is just a 21-day course to get your get yourself aligned with your energy and what you're really wanting to create and just to get that energy moving. Some people tell me it's a catalyst for activating your spiritual gifts. And and then I also offer a monthly elevate meditation if one-on-one work or the course isn't there for you. We meet monthly the third Tuesday of every month at 5 p.m. on Zoom. And I offer the community uh energy transmission and guided meditation. And that one is membership, but also I'm opening it up to be donation-based or just come because I really feel to make that space accessible to as many humans as possible because one on one work isn't available for everyone.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Yeah, and I've experienced Lizzie's guided meditations and transmissions and light language, and it is next level. There's a lot of people that I talk to on this podcast and that I meet in my life, and that are here to do incredible work in the world. And Lizzie is absolutely from all of those people that I've met and exchanged with, is one of the most pure channels I've ever come across and have ever received from. So I want to say a public thank you to you and all that you channel in the ways that it's supported me and helped me. And urge anybody who's listening and feels called to connect, get into those elevate sessions and get in and experience what she's got to offer. And I was pausing at the she's got to offer because it's not just she as Lizzie, it's it's multidimensional transmission that's coming through her that you will receive. And it it's it's absolutely incredible. So, yes, all of those links will be in the show notes, and also connect to her through the everydaymystic.org website because she's one of our collaborators. So that's um, you can access her course there. Thank you so much for being here with me and being with our listeners. And it's been beautiful to connect with you the third time, and I'm sure the third of an infinite amount more times.

Lizzie Loch

Yeah, and I'm so looking forward to it. And thank you so much for having me. I love being here, being in this space, and the beautiful offering that the everyday mystic is to the world.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Thank you.