The Everyday Mystic

Frequency Leadership: Leading from Wholeness in the Unitive Age w/ Dr. Julie Krull

• Corissa Saint Laurent • Episode 127

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Corissa sits down with Dr. Julie Krull, a psychotherapist, evolutionary leader, and resonance specialist, to explore the shift from separation consciousness to unitive consciousness. They discuss the mechanics of leading from wholeness and why traditional hustle mechanics are failing in today’s world.

This conversation bridges the gap between high-level psychology and deep mysticism, revealing how leaders can raise their frequency to become resonance instruments for their organizations.

Key Takeaways:

  • The Power of Unity: The difference between separation consciousness (fear and scarcity) and unitive consciousness (wholeness and resonance).
  • The Synthesizer Superpower: Using deep listening to uplevel group coherence.
  • Spiritual Work: Why emotional and psychological work is essential for pristine strategic clarity.
  • Whole-Self Presence: Moving beyond the academic or analytical self to a fully integrated whole in the boardroom.

Notable Quotes:

  • "The reality of our non-ordinary experiences are just as real as the trash that needs to be taken out."  — Dr. Julie Krull
  • "We are done with the age of separation... It is like doing CPR on a dinosaur." — Dr. Julie Krull
  • "When we understand frequency, we show up differently, we lead differently, and we work differently." — Dr. Julie Krull

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Dr. Julie Krull

I found myself in Zoom rooms last year with evolutionary leaders and amazing people on the planet. And they were in there creating more separation. We're talking about separation consciousness and where we're going into the unitive age and unitive consciousness. And some of these amazing humans on the planet were in there doing fear and scarcity and separation. And it was just like driving me crazy. Do you see what you're doing? You're not in it. You're not embodied. And see, even me describing it puts me in this voice in separation consciousness.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Welcome to the Everyday Mystic, where we explore the intersection between human ambition and spiritual truth, helping you master the flow in life and in business. I'm your host, Carissa St. Lawrence. Today we're talking about leading from wholeness. In the boardroom, we call this executive presence, but spiritually, it's about raising your frequency and aligning with your authentic self. My guest, Dr. Julie Krull, is a psychotherapist, evolutionary leader, and specialist in resonance, coherence, and consciousness. We spend a lot of time in this episode talking about wholeness. In my private advisory, we install protocols like this because you cannot sustain a company and a career from a fragmented place. You can explore the details at cursasintlawren.com slash advisory. Now let's get into the strategy. Hi, Julie. It's such a pleasure to have you on The Everyday Mystic. Thanks so much for joining us. Oh, thank you.

Dr. Julie Krull

Thank you. I'm really happy to be here. And I love that you're doing this show. Thank you. It's a beautiful service to our planet right now. We really need to talk about demystifying the mysticism and normalizing the non-ordinary. So thank you so much for hosting this podcast and doing this work.

Corissa Saint Laurent

It's my pleasure. And you've been doing work like this for 35 plus years. So thank you for your voice, your work, everything that you've contributed, opening up doors for people to seek healing and wholeness. Because really, at the start of all of this is each of us as individuals and what we contribute to this collective awakening, this collective expansion of consciousness within our human experience. And each of us as individuals can be amazing agents of that, participators. And for those of you listening who don't feel like I don't have a show and I've not been doing this work for 30 plus years. And what do I have to give? Just by doing your own expansion, doing your own seeking, doing your own exploring, even if it's nothing you ever give out to the rest of the world, you're still giving it out energetically.

Dr. Julie Krull

This idea that I'm not contributing because I don't have a show or I haven't written a book or I'm not on stages or I'm not whatever. And that is how the systems and structures have been co-created on this planet in separation consciousness up till now. But it's clearly not a it's not a measurement of who we are as a whole and where we're going. And so we're we're really kind of out of that and energetically building these beautiful fields and coming into resonance and coherence and presence is making a bigger difference than any accolade or system or structure that looks like success from the outside right now.

Corissa Saint Laurent

When we are raised and programmed within a system of hierarchy and accolades and hoops and all the levels to get to a pinnacle that most people, once there, realize, is this really it? Is this what I came here for? I don't think so. They realize at that point that none of that actually mattered to the truth of who they are, the truth of why we're really here. And those that get to that point, it's like, hooray, okay, now you can start asking the really big questions and start to that exploration. And yeah, so let's talk about those openings. The opening and the invitation for you to explore these realms, and then we can get into the transpersonal part of how you started to help others in their openings.

Dr. Julie Krull

Well, Carissa, I had a near-death experience when I was four years old. And with the near-death experience, I began to have conversations with the other dimensions. I what I saw as God, creator, source. I walked in both worlds from that very young age. I didn't understand that other people weren't having the same kind of experience. It was normal for me at four years old, five years old, six years old. And then when I was 11 years old, I began asking bigger questions. Like, I don't get humanity. I don't understand how this world works. I don't understand how humanity can hurt each other like they do. I saw domestic violence in my own home growing up, but I saw starving children in Africa. And the these commercials would come on the TV and these beautiful children in Africa that were starving and just flies and just this horrible condition. And of course, war and other things. So it just like broke my heart when I was a young girl, going, I don't understand this. I don't understand humanity. I don't understand what's going on. And I just want to go home. I want to go to the other realm and stay there. I don't want to be in this embodied state. At 11, I had another then really of my most significant prophetic experiences. I had a very beautiful experience out of my body, non-ordinary mystical experience, and it was taken out into the cosmos and could see. I was with a guide, I was just out into space. We were watching the evolution of consciousness on the planet. And I could see how this was going to happen on the planet, how we were in it, and where I would be when I was 50 years old, and how that would look and what my role was in that evolution of consciousness at the time. I could then see energetically what was happening. I could see consciousness. I could see the light on the planet and how it would weave and how it would move from connecting to networking to weaving to ascension. When I left that experience, when I came back into my body outside on the yard in my hometown, I had a new set of gifts that opened up, new ways of seeing, being a lot of my psychic gifts and abilities. And then from there on, those kinds of experiences were very normal, very normal. Talk about normalizing the non-ordinary, one experience after another where I could ask, I could see, I could be. Had no idea other humans didn't have that experience for quite some time because I was still just 11 years old then.

Corissa Saint Laurent

So were you talking about it with anybody?

Dr. Julie Krull

No, not really. I was watching people, and still I was in this place of I don't get humans, but I understand what's going to happen. And that began a brand new kind of journey into just the embodiment of a higher frequency of consciousness.

Corissa Saint Laurent

Something that you probably could have chosen at 11 or 4, even chosen to leave at that point, but you chose to be here. You chose this mission, you chose to be embodied. And that doesn't mean you didn't choose to be spiritual. You chose to have the what I consider the true experience, which is that bridging, is that merging, is the weaving that you spoke of of our divine essence and this human body that we get to be in for this short you know, short time that we do, and the incredible experience then that can unfold from that choice. So embodiment, you chose it, sounds like, whether subconsciously or consciously, when you had those near-death experiences or traumatic experiences, what did you go on to do to choose embodiment as you were exploring the cosmos and exploring all of these other realms? What were you doing to make sure that you were staying grounded and staying embodied? Because it can be so easy to just fly off into that blissful place.

Dr. Julie Krull

Yeah. That has been a lifelong journey, to be honest, Carissa. I would rather not be embodied, you know? And so it's been an important part of my personal work to really understand embodiment and to not let it be it's this or that, because so many traditional religious trajectories are you you do the enlightenment, you go to ascension and you die, and you're, you know, you're in another state. They're not going into that full divinity that's embodied, bringing it all the way in living as a divine human. So for me, a big part of it has been the study of consciousness and the study of psychology. And I was a psychotherapist for several decades. I got I I did the work one-on-one before doing more work with the planet and and more of our collective. So for me personally, the tuning in to the gifts of mysticism has been the reassurance that the embodiment is okay. I can go off and do the bliss thing, but almost every significant mystical experience has been something that's so embodied you can't deny it. In the middle of a healing session, all of a sudden my body's in a mystical experience. So the embodiment has been this continual journey to remember and to wake the cells to their divinity and be in that. And the other part I think has been significant for me, Chris, is also to understand separation consciousness and where the planet has been, where humanity has been in separation consciousness, of doing that duality and that polarity, because that's not our true nature. It's not the true nature of who we be as a species. It's not the divine nature of the planet, even. We're all cells in this planetary body. And so for me, understanding separation consciousness and this unitive consciousness, this new state of being that we're collectively ascending to, we're all in this process. Like you're saying, whether you know you're a part of it or not, we're all a part of this planetary awakening. It's been a challenge being on the planet when mass consciousness is in separation. But when we can bring the mysticism in and our experiences as real, as real as the trash that needs to be taken out, or the lawn that that needs to be clipped, or the child that's having a temper tantrum, the reality of our non-ordinary experiences are just as real. And when we understand separation consciousness, we can see what we've done to ourselves as a species in the planet. And it it makes all the healing and and uh spiritual work worth it when we can really understand that.

Corissa Saint Laurent

What are what are the words and the the ways that you describe how you interface, interact with this realm?

Dr. Julie Krull

Thank you for asking that. So I've always had this closet mystic thing happening and this artist in me happening. I part of what I did as a young child was developed my mind to substantiate these gifts. So I wasn't too woo-woo, I wasn't too weird. And so I just had this direction from a very young age to develop academically. And school came really easy for me. And so I went on to get my degree, got three of them, you know, go get my PhD to be taken seriously, bring the science in with the spirituality so that to help humanity understand what's happening with consciousness and what's happening on the planet. And so to substantiate that in an embodied sense, to me, it was like off to academics. What I found was it was so easy for me to let my left brain academic lead. That's what wrote books, that's what got on stages, that's the voice that was trying to speak. And I was trying to substantiate the science of mysticism and consciousness and what have you instead of allowing a different voice to lead. So I found myself in Zoom rooms last year with evolutionary leaders and amazing people on the planet. And they were in there creating more separation. We're talking about separation consciousness and where we're going into the unitive age and unitive consciousness. And some of these amazing humans on the planet were in there doing fear and scarcity and separation, and it was just driving me crazy. Like, do you see what you're doing? You're not in it, you're not embodied. And see, even me describing it puts me in this voice in separation consciousness, describing separation consciousness. And I woke up to that last year and I went, whoa, I'm in a state of judging others from a place of separation, trying to get out of separation, trying to get to unity. And I noticed that about myself. And so I literally last year started writing letters from an awakening humanity to itself. And I loved the phrase, an awakening humanity. We're in the process of this. We're all one. And if we look at ourselves in this one planetary species, awakening, there was grace there. There was forgiveness, there was compassion, there was love. That voice helped me to come into that embodied state of compassion and grace for those in fear, for those in suffering, for those creating more separation. So I began to write these letters from an awakening humanity to itself, and they were beautiful. And what I noticed was that the academic kind of was always there, but took a back seat. And the artist was there, but took a back seat, and the divine channel wanted to come in and lead. It's like, my turn, my turn, my turn. And so the voice changed, and the voice became very whole, very one, very unitive, very loving, very kind. That voice wouldn't let me judge anyone. And that voice was the we-ness of the oneness. And so I continued to write those letters and then I started to write them to those people. And then I began to share them. And people were like, whoa, there's something here that's really beautiful, it's really kind, that's really inspiring. And um, it opened a brand new channel, Carissa, that was just more holistic and complete inside of me, so that that academic couldn't lead and that that artist wasn't sitting back, but it was really a full-on integrated voice that upleveled everything. How I showed up, how I communicated. I I've always been one that would sit back in a meeting and be quiet during the meeting and really listen. And one of my superpowers is synthesis. So I would take in the hour and then I would come in at the end and just go boom. And everybody'd be like, whoa, how did that happen? And and help everyone leap to that more up-leveled octave of where we were at. And so that was my role. I was always pretty quiet in a meeting, sitting back, listening, synthesizing as a psychotherapist. Reflective listening was an important skill. And it was just my natural innate capacity. But I had one mentor say to me, You've spent a lifetime listening, and now it's time for you to speak more. This is your time. And the academic always wanted to get up and speak. The academic had to take the lead. And last year, this new voice came through, this new channel came through more embodied. And the academic doesn't lead anymore. It's always there to help back up what I'm saying if I need it and substantiate what I'm saying if I need it, because it's easy to pull in the research on consciousness or whatever it might be. It's easy, but she doesn't lead anymore. Now it's this new way of being that's more fully embodied. I spent so many years trying to convince from that academic side that all of this is real, normalizing the non-ordinary. I spent a lot, a lot of years backing up what we're talking about today with the science and with the data. And I don't need to. The mystic can show up now and just speak.

Corissa Saint Laurent

I relate deeply to what you're sharing of that experience, the journey of the part of you needing to be the authority in order to get people to listen or to maybe trust you, wanting to lead with this authoritative analytical backed research stuff so that it wasn't just you. And now you can come through as a the whole of you, all of it together to be a more pure channel of not only information, but love, that frequency of love that you're talking about, and actually being able to share that through your word, tone of voice, the things you say, the types of things you say, the subject matter, the way you interact is to me, if people could go to school for anything, go to school to learn how to be in the frequency of love.

Dr. Julie Krull

That to me would be the ultimate. I love that. Amen, sister. As a young child, I was like, oh, I gotta go wake up humanity. How do I do it? Oh science, we'll prove it. And oh, that has nothing to do with any of it anymore, you know? So there's a relaxing and a remembering and a being, and and you're right, being the field of love, understanding how how we are, that expanding consciousness of love in motion on the planet. And that's enough. It's it's a beautiful gift.

Corissa Saint Laurent

It's so true. And and so many of our fellow humans are doing the dance just like we did, of jumping through the hoops and dancing for the prizes and doing all of this that we think we need to do to show our worth or prove our value when truly our worth and our value is who we exactly are, and then being able to be in that authenticated version of self. So, as a collective, what can we do to support those who are doing the dance, who are tired, they want to sit down, they're done trying to prove their value and to get to a place where people can. Actually relax into their authentic self because as much as it seems like, oh, well, just be, that's easy. It sounds easy to just be. But we know it's the hardest thing to do. To one, it's sort of breaking programming and going against society and also getting to know ourselves deeply when we maybe have been separated by chasms and valleys so vast. So, what are some of the things that you would recommend that we do to start to get back to ourselves?

Dr. Julie Krull

We're doing a journey right now called Catapult. And it came through for me last year during the Lionsgate. It was an eight-year in numerology. So it was eight eight eight last year. And I heard do the nine nine nine to one one. And I'm like, what does that mean? Um long story short, we're we're doing this from 999, so September 9th in this nine year, this catapult journey to January 1st of 2026, which is a one year. And the guidance was that it's it's done. We're done. We're done with separation consciousness. We're we're done with that era, we're done with that epoch, we're done with that 26,000 years. It's the time of not only the great ancient wisdom traditions and the prophecies on the planet, but the astrology and our human readiness are now. We're converging. So one of the things that we can do for each other is help us remember that. We're done with that age of separation. It's done. It's it's done astrologically, it's done through the prophecies, it's done in our readiness to be a united being in this greater way of showing up on the planet as unitive consciousness, as love. And so one of the things that I recommend that I think is really helpful for all of the listeners out there who are in touch with mysticism is to really begin to work with frequency, not just the being in a passive way of being, but it's truly an integration of the being and doing, of us showing up in a higher level of frequency and understanding frequency, so that we show up as that frequency of love and our actions come from that place. But what we know from physics is that say I want to show up in a higher frequency, anything that's not gonna entrain to that frequency will break up and go away. But the highest frequency in a room, almost everything in that room with it will entrain. We know that through science now. Here, here I go, bringing the science back in. Understanding frequency and the frequency of love, however we want to look at that, of the divinity that we're embodying, when we understand frequency, we show up differently, we lead differently, we work differently, we relate differently. Our expectations are more relaxed because we understand and we know that this is happening and it's happening through us. We don't have to do anything. But the higher the field of frequency we can create around us and substantiate, stabilize, then we're co-creating with the designing intelligence of the universe that's bringing this shift through. Co-creation, I think, is a really beautiful word for people right now on the planet when we understand there's this designing intelligence of the universe. We could call that God, source, creator, whatever we want to say. And when we're connected in with that, when we're aligned and attuned and creating this field of coherence, and then we join with others who are aligned and attuned and in that coherent field, then we begin to create larger fields of coherence for the divine to come through and co-create with. It's how we create the miracle zone on this planet is understanding frequency and allowing ourselves to be an instrument of that love and of that frequency.

Corissa Saint Laurent

How important is it to get together with people in person and in physical proximity for that coherence to build?

Dr. Julie Krull

Well, what we know from science is that in person we can measure those fields. And we know that coming together with others in proximity, that the field grows exponentially. When we get together in a Zoom room and we're holding group meditations together, holding intention together and building fields of coherence, they're beginning to measure that as well. We're beginning to measure the global coherence with different indicators. We know that even not local, we're making a difference gathering with others. It always feels really good to be in person. Feels really good. You can feel the field. You can um, you can feel the magnetic quality of the vibration and the frequency when you're in that and you set that and you raise the frequency of that. You can feel it. It feels so good, but we can feel it too online. And we're we're getting better at learning how to measure it and to make significant impact on the planet non-locally.

Corissa Saint Laurent

I can think back to reading studies about transcendental meditation and them taking thousands of people spread across the world and measuring the impacts of whatever it was, whether they were measuring peace or whatever impact that they were looking at. And they did see upticks in the things that they were looking at through these people, all having the same intention, all meditating at the same time with the specific modality of TM. And they were all spread out all over the world. And then obviously, if we think about quantum physics, then we're all just waves until we are not, until we're observed and we are outside of time, even, then it's like, oh yeah, we don't need to be in each other's physical presence. We're holding space, we're creating connection through space and time without needing the physical beingness. But I agree with you, it feels good. I agree that it's it's you it's palpable to be in physical proximity to one another. But it is fun to be able to actually, whether it's communicate or intentionally impact something on a more global scale, or we could even say galactic scale, for those of us who are working in you know other dimensions as well, to be able to come together and do that work together in a non-physical realm, to start to break free of the physicality, even. I love being in a body, I love the feeling, and I love my five senses as much as I do my other senses, but there's real intrigue, what we can evolutionarily look at as our potential as a human species to more, and I'm not saying start to, because I I believe we all used to telepathically communicate. I'm coming back to understanding that we can connect and communicate and impact things through these other senses, other realms. So for those of us who are interested in unit of consciousness, we are interested in oneness, and we know that understanding our wholeness is all part of the oneness, that it all comes from and generates from the self. I think to get to here is that you've done a lot of self-oriented work. But what keeps a lot of people away from that self-exploration is this fear that it is self-indulgent, that they are not actually focused on the collective because they're just focused on themselves. But it's a necessary part of the journey, isn't it?

Dr. Julie Krull

It is an essential part of the journey. Thank you for bringing that in. I get so excited about our potential and people go, but you got to do the work. And it's like, oh yeah. It's really not self-indulgent when you understand how it all works with the frequency and what we're responsible for as co-creators of what's happening. It's an essential part of the collective awakening for us to go in and do not just the, oh, I have my practices and it's self-indulgent because I love going to yoga class, to understand focusing on our traumas, on our relationships, on what what's creating the stumbling blocks, where we're at. All of that work, psychological, emotional, spiritual work, is essential to the clarity and the pristine nature of what we're becoming and how that looks. And we're co-creating. We're co-creating the whole story. So, do you want to be a part of the story? Do you want the whole story to be a victim story? Do you want the whole story to be a trauma story? Do you want to really move into this from a higher state and play on these new levels and be in that free, blissful state and co-create something even more unimaginable than we can imagine? So doing the work is essential. That's a long way of answering your question. It's really not self-indulgent. Even the feel-good parts of the work are essential, are essential to our nature.

Corissa Saint Laurent

I want to go back to when you were four years old, or maybe it was when you were 11 and you got this message, this directive, or 30,000-foot or more view of the unfolding of expanded consciousness here on the planet. Can you give us a sneak peek? What did you see? What's come true for you in what you were shown then? What are some things that you see coming?

Dr. Julie Krull

The one thing that I would say that most people always wonder about will we make it through this time? There's so much fear about separation consciousness. And yes, our systems and structures are breaking down. They no longer serve who we are and our true nature. The systems that were designed in separation consciousness were designed for separation consciousness, and they don't serve who we really are. And we see that now. So, yes, there will be breakdown. But more importantly, people always go, can we make it? There's so much fear, there's so much anxiety, there's so much that looks like the apocalypse, it looks like the end of the world. It's already done. We're okay. We're we're through this, we're good. So let's build, let's build, let's co-create, let's have fun, let's let's play. We got to wake up humanity as work. And now we get to do this. It's fun, it's playful. So the early parts of this awakening happened a long time ago, a long time ago. This has been in motion for a very long time. And where we've been from waking each other up individually to begin to wake up collectively has evolved. And the other piece that I will say is that this is happening through us, whether we want to participate and co-create or not. The awakening is happening through us as part of this planetary body. It's happening in the water, in the trees, in the wildlife, in the flowers, in the sky. It's happening on this planet through us. And we can be a part of it and co-create and enjoy it or resist. And a part of, I think, the most important call to us as a species, as humanity right now, is to come into that playful nature and understand this. Because then the number one thing that we can do is trust, trust source, trust the higher power, trust God, creator, source, however. There's a designing intelligence in the universe that's got our back. And we are simply an expression of it doing this thing. And as long as we try to separate ourselves into a um a separate self, we we we act as a cancer cell in the body. We go rogue, we do our own thing. Causes, it causes problems. It's and we've been there. We've seen what's happened on the planet with each other, how we treat each other, you know, all of that is just a symptom of that separation that was clearly an illusion. And it's it's already done. So, yes, it looks scary. Yes, things are breaking down. Yes, there's a lot of fight and resistance to keep the old the way it was. I like to say it's like doing CPR on a dinosaur. It's not gonna work to keep the old systems and structures alive in that old consciousness. We're already past that. As we learn how to trust the designing intelligence, the divine intelligence, the divinity that's in us, then we become a part of the solutions. And it makes it easier for us to gentle this birth. And that's not my phrase. That's Barbara Marx Hubbard always used to say, we need conscious evolution so we can gentle the birth, that when we move into it more consciously, more intentionally together in those in those communities, like we talked about, like coming together to co-create, we can gentle the birth. We can gentle the transition of our systems and structures. We can transform them from the inside out so they serve us again. So it's not like burn the whole thing down and start over. We have the opportunity now to gentle this. And that's the one choice point that we really have that we can exercise. And I think it's it's uber important for us to know that we do have that power and we're powerless all at the same time. We have the power to co-create, and it's happening with or without us. So it's it's a paradox. The grand paradox. Paradox. But let's do it. Like let's do it, let's show up, let's really get in there and do this consciously to gentle the birth for the for the next generations, to gentle the birth for our loved ones, to gentle the birth for ourselves, for our beautiful planet, for the rest of the species on the planet. We can do this.

Corissa Saint Laurent

We can do it. It's a beautiful message. How can people come and play with you and learn more about what you're doing in the world and connect to you?

Dr. Julie Krull

Well, they can always find me at juliecroll.com. Um, I do have, I work with people individually. I do some consulting individually with high impact individual leaders moving in that frequency leadership model. And if they're working in organizations to make that significant change. We're working to bring frequency leadership into really big power places on the planet. So that's happening individually. But I also have a program called Imaginal Souls, where all are welcome. They can come in. Um, it's a membership program. We play, we co-create, we co-mentor one another. I like that term, co-mentoring. It's important for all of us to find that sense of self in that co-creative, co-mentoring place. So we come together every week and play and bring in topics and do the journey together and support one another and keep keep growing and glowing at this time on the planet.

Corissa Saint Laurent

All of the links to all of that will be in the show notes for listeners. Thank you all so much for joining us. Thank you, Julie, for bringing your story and your insights from a lifetime of understanding what it is we're doing here. And thanks for sticking around because I know, as you said, it's gonna be hard to be here in this body doing this work when you want to be out there.

Dr. Julie Krull

Thanks again for doing this work. I love that you're doing this program and just so honored to be invited as a guest.