Let's Talk Midlife
Let's Talk Midlife
11: Debunk The Common Menopause Myths!
Dr. Deborah and I discuss the importance and benefits of knowing about menopause early in life. Also the validity of knowing your body and connect the dots from your your period to menopause shamelessly.
She teaches and coach women how to achieve the Art of Managing Menopause with confidence, ease, grace, and style so they can move forward in achieving their life’s passion and purpose.
Dr. Deborah D. Roebuck, DNP (Menopause Whisperer) is a global health and wellness advocate that focuses on helping women of all generations to successfully navigate premenopause (PMS), perimenopause, menopause, and post-menopause.
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Midlifers, welcome to Let's Talk Midlife. I'm the Midlife Maven, your host, Natasha Hardy of Hardy Life, because you deserve a hearty life. This is a podcast for midlife women who want to learn tips, tools, and strategies to get through their second season of life. Have you ever struggled with poor self-care, lack of confidence, having no plan, and the fear of aging? Well, you're in the right place. Press play and let's dive into today's episode. Happy Midlife to you. Happy Midlife. Welcome back to Let's Talk Midlife. I'm so excited today because we have the menopause whisperer in the house as our guest. Dr. Deborah, please introduce yourself. Tell us a little about yourself and what inspired you to focus on menopause.
SPEAKER_01:Well, again, my name is Dr. Deborah Roebuck. I am the menopause whisperer, but I let you know that I have been in the profession of nursing for for over 40 years. And in the midst of that, I've done maternal child health. That was my main concern. But when I came to the point of retirement, I realized not being in the work environment that I used to be in, that people were treating me differently. It was as if I wasn't being heard. It was as if, oh, you're an old lady. In a sense, I felt like they was telling me, go sit in the corner. And I said, wait a minute, who is listening to the women as you have here in their midlife? And then I started to think about, okay, when I grew up, midlife was more, you were middle-aged when you were 40 years old. Here I was 60 years old. And when I grew up, when you were 60, you were on your way out. And I said to myself, but I don't feel like I'm on my way out. I've been working all these years. And are we going to be heard? And so I decided to start making some changes in my life. And my sister said, you know what you should be called? The menopause whisperer. Because we're not talking, nor are we being heard. And that's how I came to this point. So I started my business not at 60. I started my business at 64, and I finished my doctorate at 64. So now I've been in the business for four years, and it has been a ride, it has been a challenge, and it's also given me an opportunity to see beyond what I thought was the period of going downward, and I see it as a period of acceleration.
SPEAKER_00:Awesome. That's so beautiful. That's beautifully said. And thank you for sharing and sharing. Also, thank you for being courageous enough to not buy into societal norms and step beyond that and empower yourself to utilize your knowledge, wisdom, and expertise and catapult yourself into a whole nother field. So we... Appreciate you. Us women who are in this stage of our lives, I appreciate you because I do know that women like you who are making shifts and changes in this stage of life, following a new passion or a new career is an inspiration for me to keep going. And also for the younger, earlier midlifers to keep going and not know that life is over at 40, 50, 60 or beyond.
SPEAKER_01:Or beyond. I will say to you, many of my friends are in their 70s and 80s. And who would ever think at this point in life, they make it sound like, oh, you got everything handled. Everything should be easy from here. No. No. If anything, things are much more complicated only because you are growing constantly. And I felt as though I needed friends who were older and these women are out in the street doing this and that and constantly moving and got things to say.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely, absolutely. What do you think sets yourself apart from other professionals in this field, Dr. Deborah?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'll be honest with you. When I started looking at menopause, they address specific problems like weight gain. My sexual libido has decreased. But they did not address the issue from a holistic perspective. And I look at mind, body, and spirit because, yes, this is an age issue. in which I'm going through transitions, but just addressing one issue, oh, should I take hormone replacement therapy? But a lot of women come to me with completely different issues. Here I am, like one of my clients, she's 70 years old, diagnosed with breast cancer, had another chronic disease and also taking care of her 90 year old mother and had two jobs. And she, you know what I'm saying? So it's a lifestyle. It's a way of handling situations. You know, I'm constantly, I call myself a menopause life coach, lifestyle coach. And I tell women, what you did at 26, girl, you better take pause. Seriously, pause and look at what you're going to do at 20. 65. Now, right now, okay, I'm 68 years old. My niece said to me, auntie, you're living as if 68 is the end. I want you to start thinking that what are you going to be like at 88 in 20 years? So what are you doing now to prepare yourself for a higher quality of life at 88? And I said, you know what? Well, a lot of times we stop thinking and just go minute by minute or year by year, but we never go far reaching another 20 years or another five or another 15. Now, I'm going to be honest with you. Most of us will be menopausal longer than we were in the childbearing age. Talk about it. And most of us, if you stop having your period stopped, in the range between 40 to 51 to 52. I know people still doing stuff at 55, 56. If you are going to live at least 80 years and they're saying now the generations will go up to 100, you're going to live longer during this period. So it's time to be an architect of this time in your life rather than sitting back and say, well, whatever happened, it happened. And oh, well, no, can't do that. And think about it. We've got a president who's almost 80 years old and getting ready to run again. And I said, who would have thought of it? So I think we women are so fabulous that we need to be thinking of ourselves at 90, at 100, a century. And we would have been menopausal for 50 years.
SPEAKER_00:You know, what's so important about what you just shared? Because there's this idea that women feel like, oh, when I turn 40, life is older, which is why I noticed sometimes women... They've already had children, their children are grown, and then they'll have this baby in their 40s because they're so afraid to let go of that motherhood to step into what's available for them in this next season of life. The other thing I noticed is, and I spoke about this in one of my podcasts is have a midlife plan. It's important to plan for your midlife. If you don't plan for your midlife, how are you going to know how to navigate it? Women, a lot of women feel like I don't want to know anything about menopause. There's no reason for me to know about it until I get there. And it's not that it, Women should start knowing about menopause in their teens, I believe, because it's a phase. Why not? We know about having babies as toddlers, children. They know that they're going to have children when you're in your, you know, you're going to have a period when you're about eight or nine. And you know about all these other things that's related to your femininity. Why aren't we teaching or why aren't women learning about menopause? early so they can start. And I'm not saying you got to fully know about it, but you can be advised or informed about it. So you know how to set your life up so that by the time you get into your forties and you start having hot flashes or whatever your symptoms are, right? Because everybody has different symptoms. I tell say menopause is like a personality. It hangs on everybody differently. Everybody don't have the same. Some people can have a mild, a moderate, or an extreme pregnancy, right? Just a menopause. They can have it. It's just like a pregnancy, right? You have these different phases. And so I feel like women should get to know about themselves and take care of themselves. I feel like women would take care of themselves differently if they really understood how menopause affects their life based on how you took care of yourself early on. And if you knew that, you would approach menopause differently and you would see it as this is a phase of life, just like adolescence is. And I consider midlife like the adolescence of the adulthood, right? It's just a change.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. Let me just say this to you. You are so on target. When I was growing up, young women would consider menopause Oh, a period at 12 and 13. Now is eight, nine, and 10, okay? And the thing is, I did a workshop and I said to the women, I want you to introduce yourself. I want you to tell me about the steps, the process to when you start getting your period. And then I want you to tell me about the steps or the incidents or the signs and symptoms with now menopause. I did that because once they started identifying the changes, they said, oh my God, the things that I went through as an adolescent are similar to the things that I'm going through with menopause. And they started connecting the dots. I said, had you ever did that before? No, I didn't even know I could do that. I said, now think about yourself emotionally. As a teenager, and I will tell you, I have five, six nieces. Oh, you know, nieces. I tell people when my nieces were young and cute, oh, I loved them to death. When their hormones start changing or revving up or starting, I loved them, but sometimes I didn't like
SPEAKER_00:them
SPEAKER_01:because their emotions were going up and down. They were just going through a myriad of changes. And I said, now think about menopause. The ovaries that started to release the various hormones is now decreasing. And they said, I'm doing the same thing. Then I even said to them, I said, did any of you ever have PMS? Yeah. And right after my cycle, middle of the cycle, when I knew I was ovulating, all of a sudden I would have different signs and symptoms, especially irritability. I said, well, think of menopause. It's not going to be just that small period of time. It's going to be extended period of time. How do you prepare yourself, your family, your friends in the work environment? Do you just let things happen to you? Or do you set a plan in action? Or do you say, Okay, if this happens, this is what I'm going to do. If this happens this way, this is the people that I need as resources. I'm telling you, and especially during the pandemic, women's signs and symptoms of menopause were even more accelerated because of the stress. Now, and that's what I tell people. I said, okay, when I work with them, you're talking about lifestyle, you're talking about health promotion, you're talking about prevention. I said, you need to be looking at your health responsibilities. I talked to women who have never even looked at their health plan. I said, did you not know with your health plan, you could be doing exercise, you can get nutritionist, you can do all these various things. So one of my boot camps, I talked to the women about that. This one woman who was a researcher, she said, I used my lunch break and I called 13 doctors because I realized all these things I had going on with me and I never associated with menopause. And now I know that I can handle this. It's not like something's being done to me. This is a change. And I said to you all, I said, but you tell your children, you tell the person you're taking care of, well, listen, it's time for you to listen to your body And start making changes. And also, why do you think you've got to take care of everything, everybody, and ignore yourself? I say, you're like a debit card with no money. And you know what happens to the debit card when you put it in the slot and there's no money? It's no longer there. It's on zero. And what's going to happen to you?
SPEAKER_00:That's so key. What you shared, I mean, it's so rich, the conversation. And I do feel like women, it's important for them to know about menopause ahead of time. It's important for them to plan for it. When I spoke to one doctor, she told me that there are 85 plus symptoms to menopause and most women don't, are not even aware that hair loss is, hair loss like balding, that happens to men, hair loss out of the top of your head is eyebrows. I know my eyebrows went away, you know, and the eyelashes dropping, the simple things like that, that you don't really, you not even knowing that this is menopause related hair loss, right? Vaginosis is a huge part of burning in the vaginal area. You know, just all kinds of shifting in the tissue in that area. A lot of people are not aware of that. Migraines, you know, joint pain. Joint pains. Issues with your gums, you know. And people only talk about sleepless nights, hot flashes and mood swings. There's so many more symptoms to menopause. And if you don't know how to get into caring for menopause, yourself, or even knowing that these are symptoms of menopause, how are you going to know what to do? And I had another guest on my show and she does care management for the elderly. And the question I asked her, when is a good time to get a care manager? She said, as soon as possible. In other words, you don't have to be downtrodden and sickly and all that to get a care manager, you can get a care manager now. So women who've gone through menopause, they could call their insurance and ask them for a care manager, which is not the same as a home attendant. It's someone who can guide you to what you might need, or you could tell them and help them help you. And I did that. I did that last week. And it was because everybody calls for a home attendant. They were trying to put me with a home attendant. I was like, no, that's not what I need. I need a care manager. A health coach. Yeah. A health care, a man, somebody to manage my health care and get me through these things. So I don't, I'm 60. At this stage of the game, I'm not trying to fight through the system to figure out this, this, this, and that. If somebody is on in that your insurance is paying for to help you get through this stuff, utilize them and don't feel no way about it. It has nothing to do being always taking things off. You're up to your point, taking things off your plate. Stop doing everything and allow yourself to be a mess. Allow yourself not to have it together. Allow yourself to be messy because these things This time of life is all about what I call pivoting, right? There's a lot of transitions and experiences that you're going through and you're pivoting constantly as an empty nest or maybe a divorce or loss of a parent, friend or loved one, relationship change. There's a pivot, there's constant pivoting going on. And like you, I consider myself a lifestyle coach for midlife. It's so important. And I don't really think that women, understand the levity of this because it is this is a big task it's 25 years that you go through being a midlifer and then you got beyond that like my 89 year old client like you were talking about she swims she trains with me twice a week she she's found her her clan to be with and you know she's a storyteller she still goes out and work and tell stories and all of that. So she is very active and has been since she retired at, I think she said 59. She retired from her job due to health reasons and she just stayed on top of her health and she's 89 and she's looking at how, what she gets to do. And I told her about the care managers so she can get that on her insurance. And also, you know, she's like, I didn't think I would be living this long. However, she's, she's still, doing getting support so she has a project manager helping her organize her schedule and she got this happening and that somebody coming and cook vegetables and and food for her so she doesn't have to do it she doesn't do everything so and let me just say this
SPEAKER_01:to you the very very wealthy do you think they do everything themselves no no And I tell women, I said, we have this concept of I can cook the bacon and make the money for the bacon and take care of the children. I said, let me tell you something. That is a commercial, but that's not real life. When you look at people who are extremely wealthy. You know how they got that way because they divert things that other people can do for them. So the areas that they need to focus on or concentrate on, they take care of that. And I said, look at what happened during the pandemic. I said, I see women who were in their 70s because their children were working. They had to teach their grandkids and work with their grandkids, being that they weren't in the school. So they had to learn how to use the computer. They had to make sure that everything was all right. They were the ones that were there. I think that we are the jewel of all the generations. We got the wisdom. We have the skillset. We also have the ability to pivot. We know how to pivot in many ways, many ways. much more skillfully. My question is, since we really are CEOs, since we really are the president of our community, why can't we use the same things that the very rich use? And the thing is, we have the resources. We don't have because we don't ask. We don't have because we don't seek. We don't make use of. And I challenge women to, I said, even the fact of cleaning your house, I said, we felt guilty that we should be cleaning our house too. I said, but think about it. If you're going to have a job that you're going to be making a certain amount of money, would it not be more advocacious for you to get somebody to be cleaning your house so you can be making two or three times the amount of money? Why do we feel like we got to suffer? That mindset, and I'm constantly fighting against that because I've been scrolling up to care for everything and everybody. And so we got to take a reset. I tell people every quarter, sit down with yourself and start strategizing your plan for the quarter. What is your major focus? How are you going to do it? And the thing is, you should have that why in your life. Why? Why am I going to do this and this and this and this and this? Why am I not going to deal with this and say, oh, I got high flashes and nothing I can do? Look at your options. Why are you going to say, well, you know, I'm peeing on myself and I guess I just got to put the Depends on and that's all I can do. No, you look at and research all the different options you have and move from there. Just because one person say deal with it, do you just accept that? No, you got to do at least, my sister said, if you're going on YouTube, look for five different people on YouTube that has five different answers. And from that, get a summary of it and then put your plan together. There
SPEAKER_00:you go. There you go. There you go. Well, you know, I feel like everything you're saying is so on point and that I really pray that this speaks to the women in the audience. What I'm going to do, which is I have something called a midlife plan, and I'm going to put it up again. I put it up for a couple of weeks on one of my podcasts that I spoke about having a midlife plan. And since you're speaking about planning, I'm going to put it back up for a freebie for people to get for this episode. I'll keep it up for a couple of weeks and then I'll take it back down. But I will say planning is so key and I really appreciate you speaking into that. Now, I know we spoke about, at one point in time, we spoke about the importance of the importance of menopause and men who have partners or maybe a woman who may have a partner that she's significantly younger than and then her partner is going through menopause. What would you say to the people, the partners on the other side of the person going through menopause?
SPEAKER_01:I think they need to learn just as much. Because I tell men, now I have this one group of men I talked to this week, and they were talking about all kinds of things, and I'm one of the few women there. He said, but I want to know about menopause. And I'm talking to a group tomorrow, this is a sports group, all men, and they want to know. Because one thing I have learned about guys, if you give them the information, I'll say to you guys, if you do your research, Or even I do workshops for men, be it PMS or what have you, so that they can ask the right questions. Once you have that information, then you know how to respond. You don't need to take certain things personally. And the thing is, I want you to know as guys, just as much as she's going through changes, you're going through changes. And sometimes guys have put all the blame on their partners when really a lot of that also needs to go in your direction. You're not the same person she knew five years, 10 years ago. If you are the same person, you're not growing, okay? So I tell guys, first of all, do you understand the shifts of hormones? What the different hormones are responsible for? Do you understand your own shifts? Do you understand the various issues that come along with the shift? Just like for a woman, once she gets older, more cardiovascular issues because the estrogen is not as protective around, but even for men themselves. You notice now men have more increased problems with their prostate, prostate cancer, and what have you. If you want to come together and unite, then you take care of each other. You know each other. You support each other because I'm going to tell you, when you've been living with somebody and being with somebody for a while, you'll know more about what's going on with them than they will even know. I know a lot of men will say to their wives, I noticed Did you have a different feel to your breast? You got a lump at your breast. Did you get it checked out? Don't be silent about that. She can say some of the same things about you. So I don't want guys to even feel like, because when I was talking to these guys, they were like, I just don't know what to do. I said, well, we're going to do a lunch and learn. I'm going to take the time to teach you. And so that you could be equipped. I even taught men through PMS. And at the end of teaching these men a whole course, at the very end, the wives came and kissed me. They said, he has changed. He feels equipped and he is supportive.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, you know, that goes to this concept about we're not being educated about each other's sex. So Women get to learn about men and men get to learn about women. And we get to learn, men get to learn about themselves. Women get to learn about themselves. It's important to really dig into who I am as an individual in this stage of life. In every stage of life, not just now in midlife, but all phases of life. And that's what I feel is an issue that we're not fully informed. We get in just the surface level of menstruation, like period, pregnancy, sex, sexual activities. We get in just the surface level of all of this. So when someone may have an experience with postpartum depression, don't know nothing about it. And you go into the doctors, the doctors don't know nothing about it. Ain't nobody talking about it. And then you sit and live feeling like, am I going crazy? And it's so interesting because I had a conversation with a young lady last year and she was talking about all of these symptoms she was having after she had a baby. And I was like, you sound like somebody in menopause. You know, it just, it was so similar, her symptoms and feelings. And And why not? Because, you know, it's the hormonal influx that influx in those hormones make those. It doesn't matter what's going on is even through PMS and all of those hormonal influxes happen. And these are things you get to know about.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you know, one of the things that I just want to reinforce, people think that those hormones, those they call women hormones or men hormones, only impacts their reproductive organs. Not true. Hormones is disseminated throughout your body. And for that reason, it can have an impact on you emotionally. different levels of impact. Like you said, some women have one type of menopause. I've talked to women who never had a hot flash and said, I didn't have menopause. But when I give them a chart and ask them to check off, they might have 13 other symptoms and never associated with menopause. And I said, now, if you have these, did you go to the doctor and talk to the doctor about No. So if I don't leave anything else, let me tell you something. You need to know you. If you get a book, you write down your signs and symptoms. Write down when and where and how it happened. The intensity. What were the triggers? for them and take your book with you to your healthcare professional. And if you don't get an answer, then you go to somebody else. But you let them know that I know my body. These are the things that I'm going through. And I need for you, if you can't get me an answer, thank God me, tell me where to go. Call your health plan up. Like you said, have a health coach, a health manager. I mean, this week they sent a whole visiting nurse to my house and I said I used to manage home visiting programs but I never told them I was a nurse and my background so I didn't tell them any of that I just sat there and she asked me questions she gave me information I said why y'all why y'all coming to my house like this I mean do you think I'm so old you don't think I can handle anything I just wanted to know She said, we are changing the way we're doing business. And we're going into the homes to see how people are. Because a lot of times a person will tell one story in the doctor's office, which is five to 10. And if you get 15 minutes versus you sitting on your couch and having a conversation, showing your medicines. Listen, ask them to give you everything there is to give. Another thing people say, well, you know, Oh, your teeth. Like you talked about your gums. Did you know a lot of these health plans are making it so that you can have health care for your gums? Do you know that the health of your gums can impact your heart? It impacts pregnancy. It impacts everything. The things that you have taken for granted, I will challenge you. No longer say, oh, I'm just going to let it go by. You are too valuable. Document it. Find out what's going on and you be the advocate for yourself. And I tell people, I said, if you went to McDonald's and they gave you cold fries, you would throw those cold fries across the counter and say, give me a bag of hot fries. Now tell me you're not worth more than that. Why do you think you just got to be the victim? You're no victim. This body you have is valuable and act like it.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. And thank you so much for that. And the one thing I also want to say to women who are out here, like four out of five women are misdiagnosed by their doctors when they go in with menopause symptoms. So get a menopause specialist. You may not, your GYN may not be equipped to handle menopause. I've been misdiagnosed twice by doctors with menopause symptoms telling me that I had hypothyroidism. Another doctor My gynecologist, when I went to him, he told me, think of yourself as before now you had a, what is this called? Overdraft checking. And now you no longer have it. You just have regular checking. He couldn't even explain to me that I was in menopause. He compared my experience that I was in my menopausal, perimenopausal experience at 42, an irregular period to, A checking account. And then I had another friend of mine recently tell me that she went to the doctor and she was having all these symptoms. And I remember this some years ago when she was telling me she was just felt like not herself. And she went to the doctor and said, I think I'm having menopause. I think I'm in menopause. And she said the doctor laughed in her face. And this was a female doctor. So this is what you are up against when you go and to these doctors' offices because they have not prioritized menopause in the medical field as serious for medical doctors or GYNs. So make sure you find someone who specializes in menopause to support you because they have the expertise in the field of menopause that most doctors do not have. And Now, I would say, must be about four years ago, I was talking about menopause and everyone was looking at me like I had three heads. Now, I would say there's so many more people speaking about menopause now.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it's amazing. And they're making it, I think I've read somewhere in Oprah's, now they're trying to normalize menopause to make it feel as though this is an issue that we need to deal with. But I'm gonna tell you why it's an issue because there are so many women in the population who are menopausal and the women a lot of times are quitting their jobs or they're silently resigning. And the thing is, this is a very important workforce. So now they're going to have to put this issue in the workplace because these women know the jobs. They are skilled and they want to keep these employees. Well, act like you know. And ask your human resources. Well, what do you have available for menopausal women? Are you going to bring somebody in to do a workshop about this? If your doctor is not specialty, this is not their specialty because a lot of times it's OBGYN when it's surgery because you can make money that way. You go on a website and look under the North American Menopausal Society on the side there. they will locate a physician whose specialty is menopause. There's certifications that they can receive regarding this. So don't just think, oh, we're just saying this. No, because people need this now and ask for the information you need. And it doesn't always have to be quote unquote MD. It could be a nurse practitioner. It could be, you need a healthcare team To work around you, to get you through each one of these different stages. That's what I would say. And for me, I went into this because I felt like, well, I can take the time with women. One of my clients I'm working with, she's in Guatemala. She's 76 and she's doing mission work down in Guatemala and she's heading up food programs and education programs. But she said, Debra, I had nobody talk about all of a sudden. I thought I was done with all these. And now all these symptoms are starting to come again. Well, who talked about menopausal symptoms, post-menopausal symptoms in their 70s? But I'm talking to these women who are now opening up. And I said, now, especially I had one person told me, I started my period again. I said, aren't you 72? Did you talk to the doctor now? No, I went to the doctor with her because at the same time she was battling breast cancer. So don't let anything skip by you. You address those issues and you get the answers that you need to because you're going to work at improving and promoting the quality of your life.
SPEAKER_00:What I'm hearing you say is stop suffering in silence. Yes. Stop suffering in silence. You don't have to. And can you give everyone that... that resource again for the women who need menopausal support to go to where you said? The
SPEAKER_01:North American Menopausal Society. You can go on the website and they have a lot of information for menopausal let's say the doctors or whoever, but on one side of it, it says for women. And they have so many categories of different issues. Should I get a hormone replacement? Who are the different physicians in my area who has certification and all these different things? They have a listing. of this information that can be made available. And I just found out they're going to have a big conference here in Philadelphia in the next five or six months. And I plan to go because what has happened is, you know the reason why we don't know as much? Because people have not done the research. Mm-hmm. But now, especially the various products that they're trying to put out there, they got to have research. So now all of a sudden, all these different options are starting to become available. But you want to know what those options are. And you want to be able to use what works best for you.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly, exactly. Well, thank you very much. Can you tell people where to find you, Dr. Deborah? Well,
SPEAKER_01:you can find me on LinkedIn. The Menopause Whisper. You can find me on Facebook, going through the change and through is T-H-R-U. Instagram, Menopause Whisper. YouTube, Menopause Whisper. I have at least 30 different videos on different aspects of menopause. But, you know, I think I've given to you some information. So if you could put it in your show notes, just they can go into your show notes and click on. And I'd be only too glad to talk I have people all the time that call me for clarity calls. What's going on with me and how can I help them move through?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. Well, we will have to have you back because we didn't really even we just scratched the surface today. We just got a little a little overall look at menopause. from your experience. And I just love it. You're so passionate about this topic and it makes my heart sing to know that more and more people are out here specializing in menopause. And I do know that, who was it that said that you're going to be menopausal longer than any other time in your life because we are menopausal until we die. Exactly. That's right. That's the truth. So don't forget about it. And I will say thank you again, Dr. Deborah, for being on here. We appreciate your knowledge. And you all go to the show notes so you can see the link that to Dr. Deborah and also to the North American menopausal society, right? Yes, I'll make sure you have that. Okay. Thank you very much. Until next time, we'll see you. Thank you for listening in today. You could have been anywhere and you chose to be here. And for that, I truly thank you. Remember to like, subscribe and leave a review at the end of this podcast. Follow me on Instagram and TikTok at Hardy Life. That's H-A-R-D-E-E Life. Also, you can catch me on LinkedIn And under my name, Natasha Hardy. Remember, if nobody's told you that they love you today, let me be the first to say I love you. And there ain't nothing you can do about it. Go be amazing because you are. Because you are. Until next time.