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The Divine Download: Finding Your Unique Health Path with Bishop Kevin Foreman
What happens when spiritual revelation meets physical transformation? In this profound conversation with Bishop Kevin Foreman, we journey beyond traditional health approaches to discover the powerful interconnection between spirit, soul, and body.
Bishop Foreman shares his remarkable story of losing 120 pounds naturally after years of failed diet attempts. The turning point? A divine download that came after prayer, changing not just his approach to food but his entire perspective on health. "Information becomes revelation when you learn how it applies to your situation," he explains, revealing how spiritual insight became the catalyst for lasting physical change.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Bishop Foreman describes how his physical transformation unexpectedly triggered emotional healing. As the weight dropped away, he found himself confronting buried bitterness from past experiences, discovering he had been an emotional eater compensating for childhood struggles. This powerful revelation illustrates how our bodies often carry the weight of our emotional wounds.
Throughout the episode, we explore how focus determines health outcomes, why challenges should be viewed as preparation rather than punishment, and how embracing the cyclical nature of growth—understanding that valleys always lead to mountaintops—can transform our healing journey. Bishop Foreman's butterfly metaphor brilliantly illustrates how the difficult chrysalis stage is essential for emerging stronger.
Whether you're struggling with physical health challenges, emotional healing, or seeking spiritual growth, this conversation offers profound wisdom for approaching wellness holistically. Connect with Bishop Foreman on all social media @BishopForeman or visit bishopforeman.com for more resources and inspiration.
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Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, joe Grumbine, and today we have a very special guest. He goes by the name Kevin Bishop Foreman, and this is a guy, once again, that has so many credentials. I'm just going to kind of briefly walk through a little bit of it. And he's a Renaissance man who devoted his life to changing lives. He was born in Denver, Colorado, and reared an orange mound, an area of Memphis, tennessee, riddled with the plight often accompanies the inner city. From humble beginnings, through God's amazing grace, he's defied statistics and transcended superficial boundaries. Today is an influential pastor, a successful church planner, bishop, success coach, in-demand speaker, author, philanthropist and so many other things. So, without chattering on about all the wonderful things you did, let's just get to meet you. Welcome, bishop. Yes, sir, and how are you doing?
Speaker 2:today. Listen, I'm so glad to be here. I'm doing amazing, Glad to be with you and excited to be with your audience today to really talk about something that I think is so important for us all healthy living. So I'm doing well and you.
Speaker 1:I am doing fantastic. You know every day that I wake up above ground and breathing, I thank God and I realize I got another chance to make a difference in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, what I say every morning is I say you know, we hit the jackpot because, regardless of what challenges we're facing, we hit the jackpot that we get another opportunity to be better today than we were yesterday. So I look at every day as like winning the lotto yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know the human experience. One of the things that I have been, you know, given to me as a message is that you know, every day we have a choice of where we want to go and what we want to do. We can start all over at any given moment and I don't know. You know that's what a beautiful opportunity, a beautiful gift, gift, and you know we talk a lot about. You know the physical elements of health and the mental elements of health, but the spiritual elements of health I get into quite a bit myself, but it's really great to have somebody, I believe, that's got a focus on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, for me it's all I don't think there, I don't think you can separate the two. You know, for me it's all I don't think you can separate the two. You know I look at part of my health journey, you know, I really had, because of the nature of my life, which really from age 12, I started my first business when I was 12. I got into ministry through music when I was 12. And so I just, you know, from 12, I just had, and really beyond before that, I just had one button which was on. There was no off switch and there was rarely a slow down switch. You know, like slowing down was just, you know, working to whatever the obstacle was, and so as a result of that, you know, sometimes you can develop habits that aren't great, and so you can eat late, you can eat the wrong things. You know all of that.
Speaker 2:And so you know, being born in Denver, which is a relatively healthy area relatively speaking, and in Memphis, in the South, you know, in the South, everything is around food, everything is around good eating, biscuits and all the rest of it and listen, I love it and all that good stuff Fried. You know all of that and so you know that was a lot of what was. You know all of that and uh, and so you know that was a lot of what was. Uh, you know how I viewed things and I didn't. So many things came as a revelation in 2013.
Speaker 2:I had actually prayed for strategy because I'd gotten to a weight um, that was, I was like 250, 260 and uh, I got into a weight to where I said, you know, I'm five nine and uh, I well, you know, I looked like a middle linebacker, you know, for the Broncos or something. So I carried it well, but I just said, you know what, I would preach the two Sunday services and then I would sleep for hours after church and I said I don't want this to be my life where I can't enjoy it. And then, you know, I looked at that so, and then you know, I looked at that. So I tried everything Slim, slow, slim fast. Protein power, all the carbs you want no carbs, protein Atkins, everybody. I tried everything. Nothing ever really was successful for me. So I actually here's the spiritual component I prayed, I said I need a strategy, because all of these other strategies, nothing is working. So, if nothing else is working, I need something divine, and I think what you mentioned is so important working. I need something divine and I think what you mentioned is so important.
Speaker 2:When you talk about healthy living, sometimes you you'll try a bunch of things to discover that maybe there's no template or pattern for you. You need a divine download. Yeah, I prayed for one and we were at the end of a 21 day uh, what we call daniel fast, so basically fruits and vegetables and uh, at the end of it, that was the day I prayed. I said I need a strategy. You, as I laid out on my couch, tired from the two Sunday services, having just eaten this big fried platter of fish and everything else. I need a strategy. I flip it on Netflix. A documentary is on there. I can't even tell you the name of it because I haven't been able to find it since then.
Speaker 2:Literally, I tried to find it a week afterward and it was not there Again. I think it goes back to divine strategy. I've literally not been able to find it. People say is it this? Is it this? I've watched all of them that are still on there and none of them are the one that I saw.
Speaker 2:But it gave me some information and I decided to act on it. So here's the soul component mind, thoughts, will, emotions. I said you know what? You've got to do something different. And I saw, now that I've got information, I need to make changes. So, cold turkey I cut out fast food. I did stop eating at six before. Intermittent fasting was a thing I was just like okay, it makes sense that it's probably stopped eating at six if I'm going to sleep at, you know, 10, 11, 12, whatever it makes sense Changed everything about my diet immediately. Cold turkey Started that Monday. It was a divine download and the documentary didn't actually tell me what to do. It just told me that what I was doing wasn't good for my body. You know, I would get a number one at a restaurant. You know a fast food joint, the number one supersized with a Coke Zero.
Speaker 2:Right exactly Thinking I was doing something, and then, once I got that information, it changed. And so I believe this that information, it becomes revelation when you learn how it applies to your situation. I love it. Information by itself, it's just the data, but when I learned how that data applies to me, that's revelation. Like that reveals something, that opens up something. So at that moment I did it, and so here's what happened as a matter of fact, I did a whole webinar. As a matter of fact, we did a whole masterclass to teach people because it inspired this movement we called Fit Harvest, where people saw me lose the weight right in front of them. They saw me get healthy right in front of them, and so we had individuals who lost 100 pounds, 150 pounds, only 200 pounds, Through about three months after doing that and again just made the change Three months after doing that.
Speaker 2:We had been pretty casual. It was going into the summer being pretty casual, and so I didn't really pay attention to why my clothes fit that type of thing. Long story short, I had to speak at a leadership event up in Vail there in Colorado. I know the leadership event needed to put on a suit. I went and put on my suit. When I put on my suit, the pants were hanging off.
Speaker 1:I said this is my suit.
Speaker 2:Put on the jacket. The jacket's hanging off. I said this is not my jacket. So I say to my assistant whose suit is this? This is not my suit. Whose suit is in my bag? Long story short, I didn't even know I had lost the first 75 pounds in three months. The weight came off and I didn't even recognize it. Wow, then you fast forward from there Another few months, a total of 95. To date now, because I started getting into the gym doing a lot of things. To date now my total fat loss is 120 pounds, all natural, at best, by mainly changing what I ate, and that goes into the physical side. So to me all three are connected. You can't separate them.
Speaker 1:You know we have so much in common just from your on-off switch, the level of energy I you know. I told you I'm going through some stuff right now that pleaded me, but I'm putting all that energy into my healing Right and so, rather than me just exuding it everywhere, I'm just focusing it where it needs to go. But I lost 50 pounds and I've had my own revelation and my own information and my own situation. I learned that everybody's we have a lot of things in common and we have a lot of common ways that can help solve problems. But each of our problems are unique to our situation in our lives and the set of answers for us that works best is very unique, and I like to teach people how to find those answers rather than hand them to on a platter Cause the what works beautifully for me might work pretty good for you, but add your own little twist and you'll find way.
Speaker 2:I love it, yeah, and I think that's the key, I think, recognizing that, like when you, when we think of health, I always look at it as such a journey. I look at health and healing as two journeys that we're constantly on and that's something I speak over my life every day. I'm 100% healthy, 100% healed and to me that's all three areas. That's spirit, subconscious mind, soul, mind, thoughts, will and emotions, body. To me, all of those things, the health is important Because you want to know one of the most interesting things that happened to me as I began to lose the weight.
Speaker 2:As I began to lose the weight, I began to notice that I had some bitterness. I had some bitterness from experiences that had happened. You know, again, you get started with your first business at 12. By the time I was 19, I built Denver's largest black-owned real estate finance broker. It's the largest black-owned mortgage company. Simultaneously, I'm in ministry and you know a lot of times you know people who have ever been in church maybe have heard the term church hurt where people go through maybe an unexpected experience in church that's disappointing. Well, having been in a leadership seat for the majority of that time, not for the majority- of my time I was like, ooh, these sheep can bite too.
Speaker 2:These sheep are biters. I mean, they're biters. And so as I navigated through, as I began to shed the weight, began to shed some of the emotions that came with the weight, and I recognized a few things. I used to be an emotional eater. I'd eat when I was happy, I'd eat when I was sad, I'd eat. To me, the eating was the solution, like I feel great, let's eat. Oh, I don't feel great, let's eat.
Speaker 2:I was a dessert with every meal type of person and I said why do you do that? You know, it's not just a sweet tooth. I said, what is it? It was because as a child, I often was placed in a parentified situation and an amazing mom, but my stepfather, he was an abuser, he was a womanizer, and so I often was sitting in the seat where I was, you know, protective of my mother, protective of my brothers and sisters. She never asked me to do it. My mother's the most amazing woman, I know, but that was just something. So to me, the dessert was my way to essentially reclaim all of the desserts.
Speaker 2:But the rewards are things that I didn't have or didn't get to fully experience as a kid. I discovered so much through going through that process, that there was some bitterness, as I mentioned, that was left over just from some painful experiences, and the big takeaway for me was that these two things are not separate and that as I began to get myself together physically, I recognized there's some emotional, there's some soul stuff you need to deal with that also then impacts the spiritual. So again, it's all connected. But I had to find the way that worked for me because I tried everybody else's way and I think for some that's the. I tried this, I tried this, I tried this question have you ever asked for a divine download?
Speaker 1:There you go. That's it, exactly A hundred percent. I could not agree with you more. I find that prayer is the way that keeps you looking at what you need to see. Like you know, it's when you think about oh, I'm going to work on this. All of a sudden you start noticing these things. But when you pray for that answer, all of a sudden they just start coming to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, somebody was telling me I was doing another podcast and they mentioned something I just never heard it articulated this way. They said are you familiar with red carp theory? And I just never heard it titled that way. But you know, it's essentially saying that once you're told to focus on something, everywhere you look, you're going to see it, you find it. And I think the same is true. You know, once I asked for a divine download. All of a sudden, literally the same day, I prayed for it. It's right there. I'd had Netflix for years. What was different was that I had focused my energy on finding the solution and I had asked for a divine download. And I think that's the reality. Everything we need is within reach, simply awaiting our awareness of it, simply awaiting our attention to it. And this is why distractions come in life to snag your attention. To snag your attention so that you don't see the answers that are often right in front of you.
Speaker 1:You know it's so funny People. You know they talk about evil and the devil and all these things are trying to get you, get you. But you know what I think? All he ever does is try to just distract you, Distract you A little bit. Hey, look over there. Oh, look at that Squirrel. There we go, we get lost. It's so effective and we're busy looking for the big thing and it's just a little whisper, a little whisper, a little whisper.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think that's powerful too, even when it comes to health. I think part of health is focus. Yes, what do you have to focus on? I love what you said a minute ago about how you're focusing a lot of your energy in your health, in your healing, in your journey, because when you focus in on that, it gives you the ability all of your body aligns. But I think it's bigger.
Speaker 2:There is something called paranoia, the antithesis of paranoia. Paranoia says there's a conspiracy out to get you. Pronoia simply says nope, there is a vast conspiracy in the world where everything is arranged to benefit me, which ties into one of my favorite Bible verses. It's Romans 8 and 28. It says, and we know that he calls us all things to work together for the good of them that love him and to call according to his purpose. And so I look at focus as one of those things that, when you've got focus, it gives you the intention, it's attention, it's discipline. That focus is part of your health and it's part of your healing too, because you know, we wouldn't expect anything that we don't focus on to ever grow, to ever improve, to ever get better. That's relationships, that's our physical health, that's our mental health. That's our whatever. And I think I love what you said about the distractions, because the real deal is to get your focus. If I can get your focus, I've got your future.
Speaker 1:Exactly. You know, I'll tell you a real quick little story when I was going through the worst of this with the cancer. I've always been one who believed my body will heal itself. I'm not that pro-noid guy who's like you know. I'm in the right path. It's going to all work out.
Speaker 1:Sometimes things happen that you set in motion subconsciously that you realize I'm building this giant tumor in my neck for 20 years, for whatever reason, and all the things I was doing. I was getting to some of them a little late and this thing keeps growing and it's choking me out. Everything's getting really bad. Finally, I got to a spot where I was starting to see darkness coming in on me and I was focusing and praying with everything I had and there was one time I wasn't sleeping because it was hurting so bad and you know you don't sleep.
Speaker 1:Things get really ugly quick and there was a moment where I was laying there in this couch that I could sort of sleep in a little bit. I just felt this darkness coming in. I says you know, god, I don't think you want to take me right now, but I feel like maybe you do, you know. And I said you know, know, I had to come to a place where all my attention was on this and I'm sitting there with this darkness kind of coming in on me and I said you know, I, I have to say, if you want me here, I am, I'm ready, I don't want to go, I don't think I need to, I don't think my time is here, but I'm okay if you do.
Speaker 1:And at at that moment, like within seconds or minutes, I don't know. You know, time gets weird I all of a sudden felt that light in my heart just starting to show on a little brighter, just a little bit. And that's when it turned around. It was almost like I felt him put me in his arms and just kind of hold me up and lift me up just a little bit and say, all right. At that point everything turned around and I started to make that progress. But it was that focus where literally I had nothing else, I couldn't focus on anything else. All my attention was at this one thing and it was boy. It was I'll remember it forever like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know what I think about. When I hear that is, I think about a, I hear that it is, I think about a testimony. You know, testimony is just the test that we passed, not that we aced or perfected, we just passed it Right. I think sometimes we can beat ourselves up and beat ourselves down, for I didn't do that right, I didn't do that right, I didn't do that. But it's not about acing the test or getting a perfect score. It's about passing it, and passing it simply means that I got the lessons out of it so that I can apply the principles.
Speaker 2:And when I hear you say that that's what I think about, and that's what I think about, you know, in my life and in my journey and the things that I've done that you know to me, to be honest, I feel like I'm just scratching the surface. You know, for a lot of what we've got Harvest Church, we've got Harvest Bible College, we've got our leadership network, we've got our foundation, all the coaching I do, and every day I literally there's a test and I'm like, okay, what's the testimony in this? What's the lesson, what's the lesson that's going to come out of this? And I think taking that approach is another thing that I think is helpful in our healing journeys Not just focus, but what are the lessons Like?
Speaker 2:Why am I here? And that's literally one of the things I've said. Why am I here? Why am I in this? There's something for me in this. I need to get it because I'm ready to move on from this, and I think when you take that approach, it's so freeing because I'm not being punished, I'm being prepared Right. I'm not being beat down, I'm being set up for something greater. Exactly, You're forged, yeah, yeah, I think that's powerful.
Speaker 1:When you think about that. You get stuck in the fire, then you get pounded on and pounded on and pounded on. Then you get cooled off and then stuck back in that fire, pounded on and pounded on and pounded on. Then you get cooled off and then stuck back in that fire. And every time you get pounded on, you get a little bit stronger, a little bit more flexible, a little bit more capable, and I think that's really a key to all of this stuff. You know, as we get our challenges, it's like, okay, I guess I'm being prepared for something a little bigger now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and I think this is it. There's something bigger, and you know there used to be this saying. People would say you know new levels, new devils. I don't particularly like that because to me, I don't think it's new, it's a valley. So if you're on a mountaintop, celebrate, but just know that there's a dip coming.
Speaker 2:If you're getting a dip celebrate because there's a mountaintop coming Like. This is the cyclical nature of life, and I think that's another one of those things that's important for healthy living. Even in my weight loss journey, I remember there would be days where I would look because I used to wear this Now I'm back to doing this every day because I have a new goal but there would be days I'd get on that scale and I'd look and I'd say, okay, it's this All right, great. Then the next day I'd get on and say, oh, what is it Now? Granted, it was nothing to be concerned about, you know it's water no, no.
Speaker 2:You can carry water, 10 pounds of drop in a day, or exactly, exactly, but. But I would look at that and then I would think, oh goodness, this is something, this is something. No, it's nothing. It's the natural cyclical process we go through. It's nothing to be alarmed about nothing, to be concerned about nothing for a lot of your audience. Sometimes we go through that and we think, oh my god, this is something, it's nothing, it's part of the process the scale is accountability.
Speaker 1:It's you just yourself saying, okay, like for me, it's been seven years, you know, since I dropped that 50 and I've kept it off. But now that with this, with this cancer, I'm dealing with a whole another problem, I'm trying. I dropped another 20 and that was went, took me down below where I wanted to be. Now I'm in a different struggle, but I'll get out of this, I'll be done with that soon. But there you go. Today I sit on that scale same time every day. I go, you know, I just see where I'm at and if I, if I'm a little one way, I go. Okay, let's just keep an eye on it a little the other way.
Speaker 2:But, like you say it, there's no sense for alarm, it's just accountability, holding yourself yeah, here I am, I'm still carrying that torch you know, I love something you said, though um, it is that you know, and I'll get through this, and I think, when you talk to think about healthy living, that mentality, um is exactly it I'll get through this, I'll get through this, I'll get through this. That that centers you and pulls again all three parts. We're talking spirit, soul, body pulls all three parts and says let's get through this, let's push through this. This is not the end, it's not over.
Speaker 1:So true, so true. I love it. You know it's so funny. I feel like, as I'm continuing the show, I'm two and a half years into the show and we've run over 250 episodes already and guests are coming to me right and left, but I'm finding more and more guests that are really aligned in some way with what I'm thinking, the way I am, the things I've discovered, and to hear from different perspectives and different points of view, and you know just different areas of this. It's such a giant topic that you know a little facet.
Speaker 2:You could talk on for for forever and uh, it's, it's beautiful that I'm, I'm, I feel like I'm, I'm in alignment with this purpose of sharing these messages but you know what I love, I agree, and but you know what I love about even what you mentioned is that, um, you you said earlier pro-noid person who believes I'm in the right place at the right time, and that just echoes what you just said. And so I think sometimes, even in the challenges we face, it doesn't change the underlying belief that I'm in the right place at the right time. Like if David never faces Goliath, which to others would be like, oh my God, david's like I'm in the right place at the right time. Exactly Like if David never faces Goliath, which to others would be like, oh my God, he's got David's. Like I'm in the right place at the right time. That lion and that bear got me ready for this giant.
Speaker 2:And I've never faced an issue quite like this. Right, and I face similar and I think for everybody, you maybe haven't faced exactly this, you haven't faced this particular health challenge before, but you've faced things that were similar, things that were tough, things, that were challenging, and that was the mindset I'll get through it and that's the mindset we have to have to stay healthy. I'll get through it. And when you tell your body, when you tell yourself we're getting through this, everything comes into alignment.
Speaker 1:And I think part of it too, is is where are you going? You know, you got to decide what's my goal, why? Why am I? Why am I walking this way? Where am I headed to? And and if you keep telling yourself well, my, my goal is to be the best me I can be. You know, I was put in this place with a purpose. I want to serve that purpose. And and so how do you do that? Well, the best way I can. What am I going to do it with? Well, my best body, my best mind, my best spirit. And let's keep going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. Let's keep going, and to me that's been the whole journey of my life. Let's keep going. And I think one of my books that I wrote it's called Evolutionaries and it's about unlocking the new you. And I think for all of us, for everybody, there's a new you, there's always a new you in you.
Speaker 2:Like, I reject the premise where sometimes people talk about destiny and here's why I don't like that word. Destiny implies destination Like I get here and I'm done. And I reject that premise because it's like I got here, I'm done with this level, let's level up, I get here and now I'm done with this stage. Let's level up, I get here and now I'm done with this process, let's level up. And so you know, from that perspective I think it's important because I think sometimes people are chasing something that's never coming, like this feeling that I'm done To me if you got to post this to the plan and so. But in that book I talk about how the butterfly goes to its four stages of evolution. It's evolution is different than revolution, you know. Revolution just means change, doesn't mean change for the better. Evolution is always progressive, productive change.
Speaker 1:And the caveat you could never go back to being what you were before.
Speaker 2:All right. So the butterfly starts as small as a sesame seed on a sesame seed bun. Stage two grows to a 100 times its size. Stage three something crazy happens after all that productivity, all that growth. Now it finds itself in a chrysalis in this cocoon, either buried underground or buried behind the leaf. And many, uh theorize that, predicated on the size the butterfly will be determines how long it's in that stage. Now, that blew my mind, because sometimes people say it just seems like I've been in this dark place or this place for so long. But that's just an indicator that when you get to stage four, you're going to be one of the big boys. You bust up out of that cocoon, you're going to be flying and you're going to be so much stronger because of what you had to go through in that stage three, to be so much stronger because of what you had to go through in that stage three. And I think that all connection ties together.
Speaker 1:But stage three doesn't look pretty, it doesn't look exciting, it doesn't look good, but it is necessary and that's exactly yeah and I think you know there's a, there's a concept called reverie, where you can sit back and look at where you've been. And I think if we take time to do that like especially people that are really motivated we're like I've hit a plateau, I'm stuck, I'm not getting anywhere, you know, and but you feel like you're not moving, you feel like you haven't done anything. But then if you look back and you say, well, where did I start out? And then you go back and take yourself to that you know 10 year old child starting that first business, and then you go walk yourself through all these things, you realize, whoa, you know, I've, I've. Then you can actually see the pattern.
Speaker 1:Like when we're in it it's hard to see how everything fits together because you're down in it. But when you get up on the top of that hill for a little while, you look back and you go, oh, I see I started out with this and that gave me a tool to do that. And then that, walking here, let me meet those people who showed me this thing. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh well, and now here I am. And I think that that's the beauty of you know, when people try to understand god and all that, and it's like what are you thinking? Like you're a human being, you're, you're this little little animal on this little piece of rock floating around your face. You're gonna try to understand the thing that made you you know, it doesn't work that way but but to understand that the perspective of this creator, who sees everything before and during and after, it's like, oh well, why don't I just trust that?
Speaker 2:much easier that way, you know, to me it is much easier. You know, people talk about the prayer, serenity which essentially is, you know, give me the grace to understand the things I can't control and the power to control the things I can't control, and the wisdom to know the difference. Essentially, I paraphrase it, but I think that's so freeing. Sure, not because it's an obfuscation of responsibility, but it's a recognition of limits and limitations. And I think you know there are certain things, you know you just that's why they call it the theory of this, the theory of that.
Speaker 1:It's a theory, we don't know. It's a theory.
Speaker 2:I think giving up the desire to know everything and control everything, that was one of the best things I did for my health, yeah, know everything and control everything, that was one of the best things I did for my health, yeah, was not having to try to control everything. You control the narrative. You want to control what people think. You want to control this, you want to control that, you want to control this. And I just said you know what. I can control all that.
Speaker 2:I will only focus my energy on the things that I can't control and the things that I cannot control. I'm not focusing my energy there, back to where we started this conversation. I am not going to put my energy there because it is not going to be productive for me, it's not going to be, you know, transformational for me, because all it's going to do is produce worry, and worry, as everybody knows, is going to create all these other issues. So, really, the reason you worry is because you want to be a control freak, and the reason you want to be a control freak is because you don't want to give up the realization and the recognition that I don't know everything.
Speaker 1:I don't have answers well, and the truth is, you know, you only control really two things you control your thoughts, your attitude, your actions. Thoughts and attitude are kind of the same thing, but you know, I was locked up for a little while for something that wasn't even a crime, and and I I had to sit there and realize that things just aren't always fair. It doesn't work out, and I I had to every morning wake up in that place and say, well, I got, I got a little bit of control in this and that's just how I'm gonna be, be and, and and. Again. I realized it's going to be over and I'll be past this soon. And and and you know, in the end it all worked out, it forged a little stronger, and you know, here I am today and I can help people that are going through a similar thing.
Speaker 1:Well, listen, as I suspected, this conversation just blew through in a heartbeat, and I want to once again extend this invitation. We didn't even get to half of the things we could talk about, much less expand on them, and I really, truly welcome you to come in and explore any of these topics in a deeper level. I think that we have a lot in common and I believe that you're going to reach a lot of people in my audience in a very special way, so I really want to give you a chance right now to share.
Speaker 1:if you can boil down into a little parting shot and then, maybe as importantly, let people know how they can get a hold of you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Well. One again. Thank you for having me. You were absolutely right about it. We breezed right through this.
Speaker 2:But people can connect on all social media. At Bishop Foreman B-I-S-H-O-P-F-O-R-E-M-A-N. Just like George, I just don't have seven sons but at Bishop Foreman, on all social media Instagram, in fact. If you're watching or listening, please shoot me a DM. I get about 400 to 500 a day, but I respond Now.
Speaker 2:It's going to take a few days, but I would love to know if you watched this, heard this, were able to participate and that it added some value to your life. Please shoot us a message, let me know that. But at Bishop Foreman, or just bishopforemancom, is another way people can connect. There's books on there, resources, inspirational messages, tons of teaching, tons of things that are going to add value to people's lives, and healthy living is really the substratum of it all, in all areas. And if I was to leave one thing, I would say this is that you still have a pulse. There's still a plan. Life's not over and from. For many, it's just about to get real good. Uh, you thought you've had some great days behind you, but your best days are here and they are ahead of you. That's what it is Thanks again for having me.
Speaker 1:That is so beautiful. Well, thank you so much, bishop Foreman, and to all the listeners, I thank you for all your support. This has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, joe Grumbine, and I will see you next time.
