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Dr. Jonar de Guzman: Reversing Diabetes With Lifestyle
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What if reversing type 2 diabetes could start with your next meal and a five-minute walk? We welcome Dr. Jonar, a dual board certified physician in internal and lifestyle medicine, who left hospital medicine after seeing the cycle of late-stage complications—heart attacks, amputations, kidney failure—and chose to go upstream. His message is both practical and hopeful: target insulin resistance at its roots with food, movement, stress relief, and real sleep, and watch markers move fast.
We unpack how a plant-forward, whole food approach stabilizes blood sugar without demanding perfection or labels. Dr. Jonar explains why strategic movement—especially short walks or air squats after meals—turns big muscles into glucose sinks, flattening post-meal spikes. We go deep on cortisol, the stress hormone that quietly raises blood sugar, and simple ways to bring the nervous system back to baseline. Sleep takes center stage as the keystone habit, with seven-hour targets that restore insulin sensitivity and appetite balance. Along the way, we talk Blue Zones, cultural patterns, visceral fat risk in Asian populations, and the reality that genes load the gun while lifestyle pulls the trigger.
This is also a human story. Dr. Jonar shares the painful, purpose-shaping journey with his daughter, Sedona, and how personal loss clarified a mission to help people reclaim health with coaching that builds systems and habits for life. You’ll hear rapid client turnarounds—lower A1C, improved blood pressure, fewer meds—and tangible steps to craft a personal health mission statement that makes consistency easier than willpower. Ready to trade react-and-treat for root-cause change? Press play, then subscribe, share with a friend who needs hope, and leave a review to help more listeners find the show.
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Meet Dr. Jonar And His Mission
SPEAKER_00Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and today we've got a very special guest. His name is Dr. Joe Narr, and he's a dual board certified physician in both internal medicine and lifestyle medicine. He's a certified health coach and mindfulness teacher and graduate of NYU in Georgetown. He's a founder and CEO of For Truth Health, where he focuses on helping people reverse type 2 diabetes naturally. You know what? We'll get into your story of your daughter and all that. Dr. Joe and welcome to the show. It's great to great to have you here with us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, thank you for having me. And Joe, I I want to just say personally, I'm very um and you know, honored to be on the podcast, inspired by your own story with your personal jury and with cancer.
SPEAKER_00So look at me. I mean, if you didn't see me a year ago, I had a giant tumor sticking out of my neck.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so like your your story definitely resonates with me. Wonderful. Yeah, thank you for your your your time, but also for doing this podcast for other people to like inspire them to healthy living as well.
SPEAKER_00That is the whole point. And it sounds to me, I'm really interested in hearing about your work because um we we have a lot of guests on that talk about type 2 diabetes and different solutions from diets to all different medications and all this, but it's such a prevailing problem in America right now. Um, and it I believe it's a preventable problem. And I'm really interested to hear about your story. Um, I really like to hear the Genesis story, though. Um, you know, why don't you tell me a little bit about what brought you to your trade right now?
Family Cancer Story And Diet Wake-Up
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to go way back because we'll jump quickly. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to even go into medicine to begin with, if you can even believe that. I wanted to go into economics and politics, help people that way. But my dad was diagnosed with his own form of cancer back in um the late 1990s, like early 2000s. Okay, and he had colorectal cancer, which this is interesting because we're entering into the month of March. March is the colorectal cancer awareness month. And you know, for a lot, so I'm Filipino, that's my background. A lot of Filipinos eat a very meat-heavy diet, a lot of processed foods, a lot of processed meats. And you know, a lot of people might not even know this, but the World Health Organization classifies processed red meat as a class one carcinogen.
SPEAKER_00It's unbelievable. I when when I had to, you know, learn about cancer and realize my diet was totally wrong and change around, that was the first thing that had to go. And uh and I don't regret it. I kind of risk once in a while, but I don't regret it for a second.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, likewise with myself, right? So and I think that's why you know your story resonates with me so much because I saw that firsthand happen to my dad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I saw what it can do to the body, and hit, you know, it it took his life at the age of 63. Wow to pass away. And you know, I was left by myself without a dad, like in my like, you know, mid-early, early, mid-20s, trying to figure it out. And and so that's what inspired me into medicine. Okay, right. But throughout that whole process, I ended up becoming unhealthy myself, which is so ironic because my dad was a surgeon and he died at 70 completely preventable all the way through. Yeah, exactly. So a lot of the chronic diseases we talk about, right? You brought up diabetes. I mean, a lot of these chronic diseases we see nowadays that are so prevalent are preventable, right? So I found myself through you know, medical school and residency, I was 40 plus pounds overweight, pre-diabetic. Yep, my A1C was 6.0. And for those listening, uh, the hemoglobin A1C is the marker for diabetes, your insulin resistance. And we're talking about specifically type 2 diabetes because type 2 diabetes is different from type 1. Type 1 is an autoimmune condition that it the kind of pathophysiology, the the way you get it is very different. That's so much lifestyle related. Um, type 2 diabetes is, and so I was sitting there, I was like, How can I give people medical advice to look healthier when here I am 40% more weight? Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, I can't do this. This this makes absolutely no sense, right? Very hypocritical. So then I started doing my own research into how could I reverse this process around, lose the excess pounds, and not even just get there, but stay there, right? Reverse the A1C. And so I was able to find that on my own, thankfully, through you know, one one component that you talk a lot about in your your episodes is like diet, nutrition. Yes, the thing is, it's not even just the actual nutrition itself, it's our thoughts behind the nutrition. What I mean with that is it is a mindset. We can't look at food as something that is just purely enjoyable. Yes, we want to enjoy our food, but we have to look at food as medicine.
SPEAKER_00100%. And and you know what? There's something about being intentional with your actions, especially eating. Yes, that you literally transform or transfigure that food into what you're thinking about while you're eating it. I mean, right, it's it's it's amazing. It sounds out there, but it's powerful.
SPEAKER_02Yep, exactly. So so I ended up doing it on my own, and you know, I was working in the hospital as a physician, specifically a hospitalist. So those are the docs that take care of very sick patients in the hospital exclusively. I didn't see any clinic patients. What I kept on seeing over and over again were people with advanced diabetes, wow, and complications from that.
Doctor Becomes Patient: Pre-Diabetes
SPEAKER_00And just so people can understand what that means. Like, I don't think people realize people think diabetes, oh, I gotta take insulin. They don't realize what happens further down the line. Why don't you share a little bit about those kinds of things? Because I think it's important.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, it's oh gosh, it's everything, right? Heart attacks, strokes, diabetes alone is a major risk factor for either of those, and those can be fatal, right? Die from those other stuff too, frequent infections.
SPEAKER_00You can lose a leg from from poorly controlled diabetes because people that have lost toes and then feet and then up to the knee, and I'm just like, dude, why don't you fix this?
SPEAKER_02And yeah, they just your vision, you can lose you can lose your eyesight. Yes, your kidneys get shot. You can go on dialysis. There are so many ways you can die from diabetes. Right. It's just it's it's it was crazy to see because I see the same patients come in and out of the hospital over and over again at the end of their disease process. So I told myself, I'm like, I need to go upstream and figure out a way for these people to not enter the hospital, and so I left the hospital so that I could prevent people from coming into it, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, proactive instead of reactive, exactly.
SPEAKER_02And it's so much of our health nowadays with with what we do is reactive, right? You only do something when it becomes a problem, that's not the way we should approach health.
SPEAKER_00We well, not only that, I think Western medicine focuses on treatment rather than cure because it's what it has to work with. But if you cut something off at the past at the core of the problem, you can literally cure the problem.
SPEAKER_02Yep, exactly. And yeah, and you just hit on it beautifully. Like the conventional Western medical approach is to treat the symptom, but we don't look at the underlying cause enough. And so that that was part of my own research into myself, but that's how I ended up, you know, getting into lifestyle medicine because lifestyle medicine is a relatively new field that focuses on the treatment, prevention, and even reversal of a lot of these lifestyle-related chronic diseases.
SPEAKER_00Through I love that word, the terminology of it, lifestyle medicine. I mean, it's a holistic approach, it's it's it's really what we all need.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, in in medical school and with medical training, they do teach it, but very little. Okay. And and that nowadays, because of the way insurances are set up and reimbursement, doctors don't get reimbursed for focusing on lifestyle change, they are reimbursed because of procedures and pills. I get it. Yeah. And and so, and we can't blame the doctors either because that's what they're trained. That's what that's how they make a living reimburse. Right. But but but the thing is, we wouldn't have this chronic disease we see nowadays if we just figure out the underlying cause of these things, and they're all lifestyle related. Yes, lifestyle related when it comes to chronic disease, you know, and I won't doubt that there's genetic predisposition too. And actually, that's what I do currently right now. I focus on the Asian population reverse their insulin resistance because the way that our metabolism is it's different from other ethnic groups. We put on more visceral fat, and that's the kind of fat that wraps around your organs. That's the worst kind. Yeah. The worst kind. And what's interesting is you can even see it here in the United States. We make up a smaller population, a smaller percentage of the population overall. But when it comes to stuff like diabetes, stuff like high cholesterol, guess what? We're like at the top of the list for representation. So that must mean there must be some type of genetic component, right? But what I often tell folks that I help, whether they're patients or clients, is lifestyle. So basically, all these chronic diseases are kind of like a gun, right? Right. The genetics loads the gun, but lifestyle pulls the trigger.
Hospital Reality Of Diabetes Complications
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. And you have sort of this double-edged worst-case scenario when you have a genetic predisposition and a cultural um predisposition to a type of food. You know, the very food that your genetic predisposition is gonna react poorly to is the thing that everybody's eaten.
SPEAKER_02Yep, exactly. Yep, you hit you hit it on the head. And so in lifestyle medicine, the there are six pillars. Um there's nutrition, exercise, stress management, sleep, um, you know, avoiding risky behaviors like alcohol and drugs, and then connect social connections, strong social connections.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_02Because we are we are tribal people. We we we will not survive well on our own. And really, that's how life is. We're we're all interconnected.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. No, it's a hundred percent. The worst punishment is solitary confinement. Yep, we go crazy after a while, it's just we're not we're not suited for it, and all the blue zone areas are high in all of those six pillars, yes, especially the social connection.
SPEAKER_02I love that you brought that up because that is like one of the things that they teach very heavily in lifestyle medicine is these blue zones that are around the world, and they've been living in those zones for many, many years, like before lifestyle medicine was even created. So, this is the blueprint for for this very thing. Yes, they're living proof of it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I gotta do is replicate it and look and see what they do, and their similarities are uncanny, you know. The actual foods are different, the actual activities might be a little different, but if you look at it through a uh a clear lens, it's the same pillars all the way through.
SPEAKER_02Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_00So tell me about you know, your you've gone did you actually stop practicing where you were and switch completely to the what the lifestyle medicine?
SPEAKER_02I I did, and I I stopped uh practicing as a um practicing clinician, like from a physician standpoint to focus solely on um health coaching and that's how I I help people. I help them build the system and habits to support lifelong health.
SPEAKER_00You almost have to do that because, like you said, the clinician side of things isn't really geared to make a living from talking to people. It's it's really like you said, procedures and medicine, and that's you know, your consultations are a small fraction of what what you can bill, and you gotta make a living. And frankly, the consultation is where all the good comes from.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, like you could only spend anywhere from five to fifteen minutes with a patient.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02These are the if you want to break habits, health habits that are unhealthy, it takes way longer than five to fifteen minutes to do that with any one person. We've had these old patterns ingrained for years and years and years. So to be able to break them, you you need time, you need effort, you need patience. And that that couldn't come within the healthcare system, unfortunately. So I grew up with it to do my own thing.
SPEAKER_00I love it. Unless you're a psychiatrist, I guess they're the only ones that get paid for their time to consult with people, but even they're giving you a lot of medicine. So it's uh yeah, I like it. So tell me about um this transition. You know, you made this decision. You're you uh clearly you thought about it long and hard before you actually made the the the move. Um, you know, tell me about that that whole process.
Going Upstream With Lifestyle Medicine
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I think part of it was born out of my own personal necessity. You know, you my daughter, Sedona. So we had a daughter who uh was born 29 weeks premature. Wow. And this was during the pandemic. So I was working as a frontline worker in the hospital caring for COVID patients while she was born unexpectedly. And when you're born less than 30 weeks, there's like three common complications that can happen with babies that are premature. One of them is a head bleed called intraventricular hemorrhage, which she unfortunately experienced within the first 72 hours of life. Wow. So we had to get her transferred from she was born at my hospital. We transferred her to like a tertiary center for kids that they specialize in this very thing. So she got transferred to that hospital and she was there for six months. Wow. So if you can imagine I was in a hospital, whether it was my hospital or her hospital or both for six months straight. That was probably one of the most difficult experiences, I would say, of my life. But for her, especially, because we there were so many turning points where we thought she was not going to survive. And she was able to get out alive, but like the doctors told us that you know she um she might not be able to use that left side of her body because the brain, the brain bleed was on the right side. But miraculously, we got her interventions that are not your typical conventional, um, you know, western prescribed sorts of modalities that ended up helping her. Oh wow. She could sit up on her own, she could use that left side with you know intentionality. She could speak in English and in Spanish because her home nurse, um, she could speak both. So and it was amazing. She had miraculous progress, but she ended up dying from a complication from the brain bleed back in 2023.
SPEAKER_00Well, I'm sorry about that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I you know, the thing is it was a very difficult experience. I'm not gonna say it wasn't, and you know, there was a lot of deep inner work that myself and our family, my wife had to go through, but like we are blessed to have had her because like I wouldn't be in the position I am now helping people in the way that I want, and that's meaningful for me. So, you know, we we are we were blessed to have her in our life, even if it was for those 17 months.
SPEAKER_00And you think discovering that some of these non-traditional um modalities being helpful is what kind of what inspired you to move this direction?
SPEAKER_02I I think part of it was, but I think it was always there to begin with because of my own personal health journey. She was just the spark to give me the courage to do it.
SPEAKER_00Got it. All right, yeah. Well, and and oftentimes, you know, finding meaning in a difficult time is is imperative, you know, if you're gonna go on and fulfill your purpose. I mean, it's just like what I'm doing here is part of the the the good that came from me going through my cancer, is that I'm I'm inspired to help other people and I know things that I can help them with.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and that's beautiful, Joe. Like, I think that that's often the case with a lot of folks, especially in this realm of of like health and healing, is that your pain turns in your purpose. Yes, 100%. And for a lot of the folks that come into my program that have, you know, whether it is pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes, they're coming in with so much pain, right? But that's what I try to teach them is we have to turn that pain into purpose. Exactly. With the folks that have come into my my program. Yeah.
Genetics, Visceral Fat, And Culture
SPEAKER_00So tell me about your program. I mean, is it people that are already in a difficult spot, or do you find people that were just recently diagnosed or even pre-diabetics that come and find you?
SPEAKER_02I get the gamut. So people who just got diagnosed with pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes, and then the other side of the spectrum, people have had it for like 20 years.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02And so everyone's coming with their own unique experience, and age ranges for anywhere from like 30s to as old as like late 70s. Oh wow. Okay. But it's it's it's never too old to change. No, it's never too, you're never, it's never too early, and it's never too late.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. I totally agree.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And so so, and but the thing is like they don't want to be on medicine. And I am not against Western medication. I am not at all. There's there's specific situations where it is indicated and it's necessary.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02I think in our society, we're so much accustomed to a pill for an ill. And that doesn't happen when the the thing that has caused them the suffering in the first place was their lifestyle. Exactly. There's no magic bullet for that, unfortunately. Right.
SPEAKER_00There's no pill side of thing, you end up in a cocktail, you know, one thing trying to fix another side effect, and you end up with this 30 drug truck cocktail trying to manage a couple of symptoms. And I think if you look at it from a combination of lifestyle changes and some medicine for a particular point, you can mitigate side effects dramatically. I mean, I know I did with the chemo I took, and I did other things that mitigated it, caused it to work better, and here I am. So I'd like to hear about some of the tools that you work with.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for sure. So I in my practice, my health coaching practice, I do not prescribe medications or supplements. Okay. This is all based on the protocol that I developed, which started with the first patient I had, which was me. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a big component that is nutrition. Nutrition is necessary, but it is not sufficient. Right. Other components of your health that can contribute to insulin resistance. One being movement, strategic movement specifically. So, like, for example, one thing that I harp on with with my clients is movement after meals. And that alone can affect your blood sugar, the spikes that happen after a meal dramatically. Even if you're walking like five minutes, the reason being is because you have all these muscles in your body, they're the most metabolically active cells in the body, meaning they require the most energy to work. Right. So if you can harness that energy after a meal, your biggest muscles are in your like midsection. So it's like your your buttocks and then your thighs. Yeah, that's why we're walking up and go a little bit.
SPEAKER_00You be surprised, you turn and burn. Yeah, yeah.
The Six Pillars And Blue Zones
SPEAKER_02So that that's one component, right? So it's nutrition, it's movement, stress management. This is another big one. People do not give this enough credit, right? Just know this most people are chronically stressed out there because the way modern life is, you know, and I don't blame them either, but none of us were taught the skills to effectively manage stress. And the thing is, you talked about in one episode cortisol. Uh huh. Cortisol is the stress hormone related to like emotional. Emotional duress and psychological stress. If you're not managing that on a day daily basis, guess what? Cortisol is going to remain elevated. And what cortisol does in the body, it does a number of things, but one thing that it does, it releases glucose stores from like our organs, for example, liver. So it spills out glucose into the blood. Now, this is a mechanism that was developed when we were like Neanderthals roaming the earth. Exactly. So it helped us to evade predators, but now it kept us alive at the time, yeah. Yeah, but now it hinders us in these situations that we we deem as emergencies all the time. And so we're on high alert all the time. So if we don't lower that, you're putting yourself at increased risk for insulin resistance.
SPEAKER_00100%. Yeah. We deal with um sleep apnea.
SPEAKER_02So, yes, in a way, there are some patients that I do have that have sleep apnea that come to my practice, but the primary focus for me is the insulin resistance. But that being said, the one common factor amongst all these chronic diseases, which you know, sleep apnea would be one, is inflammation.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02If you get to the heart of the inflammation, when you focus on one, you focus on all. So people in my practice, guess what happens when they start reversing their insulin resistance? Yeah, their blood pressure improves. Yeah, cholesterol improves. Like I had one lady who she had high blood pressure, she has diabetes, but she had high blood pressure for five years on two meds within two weeks of starting my program. Her blood pressure was so low because of my protocol that we had to stop the medication. She's not on the medications anymore.
SPEAKER_00I love it. I love it. So it tells you, I mean, you know, the these lifestyle changes can probably correct some huge percentage. I'd say probably at least 50% of ailments that people are treating with medication alone. I I'd say probably half of them could be treated with lifestyle changes alone.
SPEAKER_02Alone, yes, I agree. And the thing is the the the Western medical model to reverse, are we reversing it? No, we're not. Right. If we were, then these medicines would work. They only mitigate the disease progression at best. Exactly. At worst, your disease just gets worse. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Is is there a set of tools that you uh give to everybody?
Leaving The Ward For Coaching
SPEAKER_02Yes, there is. Now the thing is, health is very nuanced, right? It's unique to the individual. So I don't do the same exact thing I do with the next client. But my overall philosophy is still the same. So if you look at lifestyle medicine, because a lot of what I do, I I have implemented these principles that work for reversing chronic disease. So with the nutrition piece, right? We're looking at whole food plant nutrition. And what that means is it's not eating vegan, because I know a lot of people are so tied to their to their and their cheeses. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the majority of your plate, every single time you sit down to eat, has to be made of whole food plants.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02At least 80%, I would say. So you can get away with maybe 70%, but like 80% or above, if you're doing that for every meal, that alone is gonna push the needle for you so much.
SPEAKER_00100%.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So that's like one component. The other component, the the movement piece, like I said, strategy moving, moving after meals, but also just raising your your basal metabolic rate by getting around.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, don't sit on your butt too long. I mean, you know, too sedentary.
SPEAKER_02We're too sedentary. So there was a study. This is a very interesting study. There's a study that was released by the British Medical Journal. Um, it's specific to diabetes, but they have this big journal that has all these smaller publications. So they looked at a study of diabetics who sat for seven to eight hours long, right? They broke them up into four groups. One group that, you know, the standard control group sit seven to eight hours working. The second group, they broke up that 78 hours sit with a 30-minute walk. And the third and fourth group, they broke up their seven to eight hours with every 45 minutes, they would get up for a movement. Either either they do um uh air squats for like a minute or a couple minutes, or they would do like a two to three minute walk. Guess who had the better blood sugar control after the for sure? Three and four groups three and four. So this is what I try to harp on with my clients as well is a piece. Okay, 100%. Yeah, and then the stress management. You know, I'm I'm trained in mindfulness meditation, but I know that there's many other modalities to help bring down your stress levels. So I work on that with clients, and then the last part is sleep. You need to get at least seven hours of sleep a night. Okay. If you do not get that, you are putting yourself at increased insulin resistance for every hour less slept by 25%.
SPEAKER_00I am religious about that. I drive my my wife and my friends crazy. It's like 10 o'clock comes along. Sorry, I'm going to bed.
SPEAKER_02You know, for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't care where if I got company over, I don't care if I'm watching a movie, gotta go to bed. And I forget my sleep every night.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that and that's great. Because Joe, I know from you, like there was that one recent episode you talked about your like desire and how that drives your direction for your health. This is this is the very first thing I work on with clients all the time. You get down to your own personal health mission statement, yeah. Because this is the driver for your actions and your behaviors. When you can align your mindset, your identity with your actions, yes, no resistance anymore.
Sedona’s Story And Finding Purpose
SPEAKER_00You can't every truth is you're doing that whether you acknowledge it or not. A lot of times we just don't acknowledge what our what our thought process is, you know. Just watch your actions and you'll see what's important to you, right? You know, well, listen, we are running low on time. Um I always like to hear in in the years that you've been doing this. Is there uh I know there's probably dozens and dozens of stories that stand out. Maybe you could share one story where there was just a dramatic impact that you've had on somebody.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I you know, I would probably say it's it's most recent. There, there's a guy that I've been well, I have so many cases. I'm not even sure which one I should share. So powerful. Wait, I'm actually gonna go to this this woman. Okay, so this woman, I'm gonna keep her anonymous, but you know, she's a she's a widow, okay, single parent. She came to me because she was having issues with her like flare up of her autoimmune disease, the skin condition. She gained like almost like a hundred pounds over you know, she was obese, right? From the time that her husband passed away, and she ended up being pre-diabetic. Wow. Within the three-month program, she's lost in that three-month span, she lost like 40 plus pounds. Wow. She reverse her insulin resistance. Yes, her, you know, A1C went to normal levels. Nice. The skin conditions that she was having for years started to finally improve. Wow. She just feels like she has you know power back over her health for the first time in her life. Get a new life, really. Yeah, you get reborn, you know what I mean. You know, deepest moment of pain and grief, right? Was in a true blessing. Yes, absolutely for me personally.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's funny when you help other people, it is such a indescribable joy that you can get from that. And you know, when it came from a place of suffering, a place of pain, and then you can turn that around into a joy, whoo! You know, it's amazing.
SPEAKER_02And she's still, you know, she's still one of my clients. So if you're listening out there, you know, I love you. Thank you for doing for yourself.
SPEAKER_00I love it, I love it. And where are you physically um located?
SPEAKER_02So we we are based in Los Angeles area.
SPEAKER_00Oh, no kidding. Yep. You ever um you ever do sweat lodge or or sauna?
SPEAKER_02I've heard about it, haven't done it yet.
SPEAKER_00I do sweat lodge out here. I'm I'm out in Lake Elsinore, um, about halfway to San Diego. I'd love to have you come down here one time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, my wife and I were talking about it before I joined the call. So, yes, we we would definitely be interested in doing it and looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_00And we we have a non-profit called Gardens of Hope. We have a two and a half acre botanical garden and we do what we call therapeutic horticulture. And the idea is get out in nature and all those things that you do work better. I love that. I would love to have you and your wife uh come and visit our garden on time. I mean, oh, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02We would love that as well.
SPEAKER_00Wonderful, wonderful. Well, listen, Jonar, do you have like we've talked about so much? Number one, I'd love to have you back on. There's more we could talk about for sure. But is is there a thought in all of this wealth of information? If if our listeners were to take one one takeaway from you, what what do you think that would look like?
SPEAKER_02You know, I everyone's like on their own journey. So, you know, where you are right now, you you might be struggling with a specific health issue, you know, or so someone you've recently had in your life, recently had a health scare. Um, and now you're concerned about your own health. But just know that, you know, when it comes to your health, health is not static, things are dynamic, and you know, the two things you have to think about is there is a future healthy version of you awaiting you, and you have the power to make that a reality.
SPEAKER_00I love that, and it's so true. I'm living proof, and so are you.
SPEAKER_02Yes, we we all we all have the potential, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00All right, and um, if somebody wants to connect up and get get some of this uh great lifestyle medicine you're offering, how would they do that?
SPEAKER_02So I'm on a couple platforms. We're on Facebook and Instagram as well as TikTok, and it is the uh reverse diabetes doc. Just as it sounds, you can you can and then you'll you'll see Dr. Jonart. You'll see my my picture come up. The other way you can reach us is through um the website, which is for truth health, the number four tr-h-u-th, and then health.com. And then I do have a podcast myself called Glass Half Healthy.
SPEAKER_00Nice, I love it. I love it. I I will have to check that one out. It sounds we think a lot alike. I'd love to hear some of your thoughts.
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SPEAKER_02We do, Joe. Yeah. So you know what? Thank you so much for having me on your show. I'd love to come back. I love what you're doing, I love your energy and keep doing what you're doing.
SPEAKER_00Fantastic. Thank you so much. This has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine. I want to thank all of our guests for making the show possible, and we will see you next time.
