One Last Hit By Austin Rampt

Addiction doesn’t always announce itself with a dramatic first hit. Sometimes it starts as a kid trying to quiet a loud, painful mind. Joe Grumbine sits down with author and recovery speaker Austin Rampt, whose memoir One Last Hit spans three decades of substance use, eight rehabs, a heart attack at 21, and a stretch living as a fugitive in Mexico after being forced into treatment under Florida’s Marchman Act.

We talk about the real mechanics of relapse prevention, including the slow “drift” that happens when daily recovery habits fade and life looks good on the outside. Austin gets specific about what changed for him: rebuilding sobriety through 12-step recovery, sponsor honesty, nightly inventory, prayer and meditation, service, and staying connected to a recovery community. He also shares a detail many listeners will recognize, how relapse can begin with a rationalized substitute like kratom before the obsession pulls you back to what you swore you left behind.

The Mexico chapter is intense: cartel-controlled access, escalating risk, trauma, and the moment the money finally runs out. But the heart of this conversation is hope and identity, learning that you don’t have to achieve anything to have value, and how vulnerability, relationships, and fatherhood helped him become someone he can live with. If you care about mental health, sober living, or recovery from addiction, this one stays with you.

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Welcome And Guest Setup

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and we've got a very special guest today. His name is Austin Rampt, and he's an author and a recovery speaker. And he wrote a memoir called One Last Hit, and it covers three decades of addiction, including eight rehabs, a heart attack at 21, and an 18-month stretch living as a fugitive in Mexico. Well, fortunately, you know, today he lives sobriety, and he's gonna tell us about his method, what what what keeps him sane, and and hopefully um some tidbits to help us all on our path. So, Austin, welcome to the show. It's so great to have you here.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Yeah, good to be here, Joe. Great to great to be on your show, man. Thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

You know, it's wild. I I've had a lot of guests over the years that have stories about addiction and recovery, and you would think that they'd all at one point sort of follow the same sort of storyline, but everybody's story is unique, everybody's path to recovery is unique, and that's why I keep bringing it bringing them in. I think that it's it's so important. We all live this crazy world, especially today, 2026. I can't believe it's 2026. And you'd think like when I was a kid, we had a cartoon called The Jetsons, and it was this sort of perfect, futuristic little world, and everybody put it around their little air cars, and and we had these lovely little lives, and it's just friggin' chaos and anarchy out there, and drugs and alcohol and substances are so prevalent, so easy to get, so easy to find, and the world has gotten so difficult. It's like more reasons to do the bad things, and it's easier to get them. So, anyways, without me jibber-jabbering on, welcome to the show. And I'd love to hear about your story. I always like to start the conversation with, you know, how how'd you come to that place? Like, what brought

Tics, Bullying, And First Relief

SPEAKER_01 2:26

you?

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you about it. So I remember being a kid, I had really, really bad neurological ticks. So, like my my body would twitch, or or I had some that were like vocal ticks. So I'd be in the back of the classroom if you could picture this, and me going, uh, like a dolphin, right? And I'm this overweight kid that's squeaking like a dolphin in the back of the class, you know, I'm eight, nine, ten years old. And the kids were just merciless, they were brutal. Oh, yeah. And and so I remember just these feelings of shame, like there's something wrong with me as a child. And you know, first time I picked up first time I picked up a drink, you know, it was the first time I really felt that that form of peace. It was almost like I didn't know how big of a problem I had until alcohol solved it for me. And I and and this this started, you know, I started taking all sorts of uh pharmaceutical medications, acid. By age 15, I was addicted to narcotic painkillers. By age 17, I was smoking crack cocaine. It was like that quick. Yeah, I wasn't uh, you know, I didn't discriminate. I was gonna do whatever I could to get out of me, right? And you know, so this starts a journey that that stays with me to this very day because recovery is, you know, is is part of my life. And so in between the summer of junior and senior year in high school, I decided I was gonna become a horticulturalist and grow some weed

The Closet Grow That Burned Home

SPEAKER_00 3:53

in my closet, you know, as we do. I was a really bad weed grower because they were both male plants, but but what happened was I had these grow lights set up, and my mom came in one day and and hung up some laundry in my in my in my closet. And about 7 p.m. I I flicked the grow lights on on the on the wall without taking a look at anything. About 8 30, I hear a crackling in the back. And I I opened the door to my room and the entire it's like backdraft. And I burnt, I burnt our our family home to the ground. Oh and uh and so it was just you know, a big old pile of crap mixed in with more piles of crap that I figured was me. And and you know, no matter what my parents could say to me, I they couldn't break the delusion that I was just just a piece of junk that I had. And so, you know, I I carry on, right? I go, I actually believe it or not, I went to college on a partial scholarship for academics and and flunked out within three semesters, proceeded to get arrested a whole bunch, man, and overdosed at 21, which is that heart attack that you mentioned in the uh in the intro. And landed in my first rehab when I was 22. Actually, it was my second rehab. My first kind of rehab was a place called Teen Challenge, which is like it's like a faith-based place for for addicts and alcoholics.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

I learned a lot about the Bible, but you know, I didn't really get any recovery in there. And uh, I drank the day I got out. So, but anyhow, 22 years old, I go to rehab, and you know, this is my first entryway into 12-step recovery, which is what I'm a part of today. Okay. And, you know, between the years of of 22 and and 31, I was in 12-step recovery, active, sober, and and I got the benefits that sobriety gives you. And you know, but but the the gifts of sobriety took me away from the thing that gave me sobriety, which is you know, honesty on a daily basis, connection with the people in my recovery community, inventory, things like that. And so after having a very successful business, getting married, having a couple of kids, I picked up again at age 31. And and this time, you know, prior to age 22, like a good night out might have been 150 bucks, you know, because I was a kid. Well, now I had resources and I was gonna go destroy my life in a way like I had always done. You know, and so I went on a run, and it was a hard run that resulted in in multiple attempts to re to get sober again, a divorce, overdoses, and then so that that one there's a there's a point where you were experiencing sobriety, you understood it, you're working the steps, you're you're getting all the things that you sought to get, so you're you're being a success on all levels.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

What was it that triggered you to go back? Like it seems like you were on a pretty sound footing there for a minute.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

So, on the external,

Success, Quiet Drift, Then Relapse

SPEAKER_00 6:56

you know, the way that it looked, it it did. It looked like I was on sound footing, but I'm the kind of guy that's really good at hiding at the front of the room. Oh meaning I I know the right things to say, I know what will elicit the responses from my environment. But you know, I I've learned that 90% of what really matters for me staying sober happens when no one else is looking. Right. Agreed, and and that's for everybody, yeah, yeah, for sure. And I, you know, I had just stopped doing the necessary, simple things every day. My prayer meditation went out the window. I wasn't doing my night, my nightly inventories, I wasn't connecting with a sponsor and being honest with him. And all of my sponsees that had more than five years, I hired them to work for my business, and so they all got complicated a little bit. Yeah, they all got new sponsors, and now I was signing their checks, right? So that relationship flip-flopped, yeah, and and it it was a slow burn, it happened over the course of years, you know, and not days. And but but really one thing that's very characteristic of us as alcoholics and addicts is we forget, and I forgot, you know, I forgot the pain that brought me in, and and so when I picked up again, it didn't come in the form of hey man, go buy some dope down in the hood. It came in the form of buy some of that stuff they're selling in the gas station. It'll help you unwind just a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Really?

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Oh, yeah. The it started with Kratom, and as soon as I altered my mind, yeah, the obsession for more Kratom came in. As soon as that stopped working, the obsession for what I knew worked came in.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Right, right. You knew right where to go to get back to work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Wow. And so this time I'm in a I'm in a hotel in in Broward County in Fort Lauderdale in 2014, and the cops kick the door in, come in, yoke me up. And what had happened was I had been marching acted, which is a thing that we have here in the state of Florida, where if you're you're using to the degree that you're probably going to die, your family can get the courts involved and force you to go to rehab.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

And so they come and they pick me up. I go in front of the judge, and she says, Okay, rehab. And after five days in the rehab, I grabbed my shit, man. Started walking down the road, and they said, We're calling the cops. And I said, I know you are because you got to be here. And and I went to Fort Lauderdale Airport and hopped on a plane and moved to Cancun. And uh, this starts a about a 22-month journey of living in Mexico. I went down there with about a half million bucks,

Marchman Act Escape To Cancun

SPEAKER_00 9:36

made about another half million while I was there just for my businesses, but then I lost the business. And as soon as I get to Mexico and I start buying cocaine in the way that I was buying it in the States, which is not nickels and dimes, you know. Right. So you ever been to Cancun, Joe? No. Okay. So for anyone that has been to Cancun, Cancun's an interesting place, and then it's the number one tourist destination in Mexico, I think at one point in the world. And it's completely run top to bottom by the Sinaloa cartel. You you can't do that, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can't do anything. You can't be a taxi driver, a police officer. You can't do anything in that town. And so when I got there and started buying, obviously I was buying from them, and they they quickly said, Oh, this this white boy spending some money.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

You know, put him up in a and so what what they started to do is they started to cater to that side of me to ensure that I had, you know, no impediment to me spending money.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

So they would bring me a kilo every couple of months. Wow, they would ensure that you know, I I got pulled over five or six times, and just with a simple phone call, the cops gave me my drugs back and said, All right, keep it moving, man. You know, and uh, you know, a lot of a lot of traumatic events happened while I was there, as it does. You know, I woke up one morning with my throat cut. Uh luckily it missed missed my jugular, but I woke up in a pool of my own blood, and I I still to this day don't know how it happened.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Wow, gee.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

I crawled, I crawled back into bed for a few hours after because I only slept once every three days.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

And so at the end of it, the money runs out. I'm in Mexico City. Cancun had gotten too expensive, and I had gone to Mexico City to party, and and my wallet had gotten stolen, so I couldn't get back to Cancun. Oh boy, and and I go and live with this girl and her mom in a little city called Quacalco on the outskirts of Mexico City. And and and I want to tell you what happened, man. I, you know, in the States, I had been chasing all of these things. You know, if I get the money, I'll finally be okay. If I look a certain way, I'm finally gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

And when when that when I still wasn't okay, when that not good enough wound was still in there, dude, I just I burnt it down. And and and I I met this girl and her mom who lived in what we would consider poverty. Okay, you know, their their home looked like it was in in housing projects. And and I met two of the kindest, most loving, happiest people I had ever met in my entire life. And they didn't have any of those things that I thought I needed to be happy, you know, and it was a it was a really interesting lesson for me at the end of the road, man. So I finally did make it back, and you know, there's a happy ending to the story, thankfully.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

You got to experience happiness as an actual experience rather than you know, a perceived, like you said, if I get this, I'll be happy if I if I have this or don't have this or whatever it is, the the thing.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

You you got to you got to experience just being yeah, I think what I what I really got to not so much experience because happiness, I could not feign happiness out of my brain at the time. I was so severely addicted to crack cocaine, but but I got an example shown to me very clearly of happiness, and these folks probably never held a thousand dollars in their life, you know, right? And in retrospect, it was a very powerful time for sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Yeah, and so experiencing this, did you decide you were gonna let go of the crack cocaine, or did you you were still doing that while you were with these?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Not yet, man. Not yet. Okay, so you're they were gonna pry that from my cold dead hands. It took it took all the money being gone, so much emotional pain and damage. And and finally, my final night is me living at my drug dealer's house, Juanito, because me and the girl had broken up because she would say things like, We're gonna get married and have kids. And I'd say things like, When the drugs run out, I'm going home. And she hated that. And she was a sweet, sweet girl whom I've since made amends to. And anyhow, I'm at Juan's house and he thought I had a he thought I had disrespected his dog. No bullshit. And yeah, I did something and you know, got lost in translation. And so the last three hours of my time at his house are him sitting with a

Cartel Money, Trauma, And Rock Bottom

SPEAKER_00 14:17

pistol pointed at me, deciding whether or not he's gonna have to shoot me for disrespecting his dog. Whoa, and I and I knew I knew my time in Mexico had come to an end. So I my buddy back from the states, his name was Lou. He's like, Are you done? I said, Yeah, but I got I got some debts to settle, man. So he sent me a Western Union, got me a plane ticket, and I got my ass back to the states.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Oh, okay. All right.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

So the the issue with the rehab that you were running from, was that still an issue, or did they just kind of let that so it it went dormant after a period of time, and I don't know how long that period of time actually was because I never looked into it, but I was quite convinced that I was gonna cross the border and it was gonna send off some flag.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Right, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. When you when you leave in that way, usually, you know, you expect a welcome when you get that, try to come back, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:13

But it it didn't, it didn't do that, and I think there's something specific about the Marchman Act that where it just kind of goes dormant, you know. It's not a warrant like I had committed a crime, yeah, yeah, it worked out, I guess. So I get back to the states, and and I didn't know how much damage I had caused myself like in my own brain. I was not seeing reality in the world, I was delusional, but of course I believed those delusions and uh proceed to relapse and overdose again and and eventually go into treatment. And and for anyone listening, you know, treatment, treatment's great for what it is, and I mention it because it was impactful, but treatment is not a solution to alcoholism and drug

Treatment As A Beginning Point

SPEAKER_00 15:55

addiction, treatment is a beginning, right? You know, and it it it got me to the point of some willingness, it got me a distance from my last my last time getting high.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

And and this is when I'm better people, I guess, in some ways.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Totally, totally. It got me it got me reconnected with 12-step recovery in South Florida, which is what I needed. All right, and I got out of there, went to a halfway house, you know, met my my now current wife. Okay, we'll we'll been married eight years in November.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

And wow, that doesn't seem like a recipe for success, but you eight years is a good long while. That's great.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean we were both, you know, she's sober, she's about 12 years sober, and okay, yeah, and uh you know, we had we have three kids together, and I got custody of my first two, and so I have five kids at home, and it's nuts.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Uh yeah, I grew up as oldest of six, so I mean outside of that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Yeah, man. So that is the that is the really quick version of the story. The detailed one is is in my book, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

So at one point you decided. I mean, obviously the the 12 step, when you take it seriously, it it kind of becomes your life. Like it's it's the road you walk on. And I know how easy it is to forget. I just beat cancer, and my life was consumed at solving that problem for two years, and it's only been a few months since I got it all clear, knowing that it's gonna want to come back, and I have to make I have to walk my own 12 steps to keep it gone. Yeah, but every day that I feel better and stronger and healthier, it's so easy to forget all that those things I need to do to stay that way. And I yeah, I know with drugs and alcohol, it's the same. I I was very blessed. I I came right to the edge of some of the places you were at, and I never kept going. And I was able to pull myself away before I got to that place, but I know that place where you fall in and and you stay there, and it's so easy to forget. It's just so friggin' easy. So, what what's different with you today that you are able to stay on this road and stay remembering and and all of that?

SPEAKER_00 19:09

A lot of it is so I had I had a sponsor tell me years ago. He said, he said, if you're an alcoholic or an addict, as as the book defines, which is when you start drinking, you don't have much control over the amount you drink. So when you honestly want to quit, you can't quit on your own unaided strength. He said, I want

Daily Sobriety Tools That Work

SPEAKER_00 19:26

you to pretend you've got a bomb strap to your back with a timer on it. Okay, and that that timer is guaranteed to go off unless you do certain simple things every single day for your own sobriety. Yeah, and that made a lot of sense to me. And so those certain simple things are, you know, some form of spirituality has got to be the foundation of it. Right. So we start our day with you know, readings, prayer meditation, things like that. Okay. Honesty with other people in the program. Yeah, huge. You know, sponsoring other men. So I sponsor a bunch of other guys. Okay. Nightly, nightly inventory that we do in the evening, you know, and you know, and then showing up and and staying connected to the recovery community. I mean, that's a that's a recipe for sobriety. It keeps me in the game. Yeah, okay. And and and there's a there there was a shift somewhere in my 30s, somewhere in the brokenness of destroying my entire life. Because I had been very identified with the success and the money and blah blah blah. And and when all that went away, I really had to ask myself, who are you? If it was never any of that stuff, you know, who's the guy beneath all of it? And so I started to shift, you know, from more of a right more of a right brain analytical thinker to a left brain feeler. Like, let's let's start experiencing emotions. These were not things that I was taught as a man, as a child, you know, I didn't even have the name, the the words to name these emotions, much less recognize them. And and I started to realize that that forming real close, intimate relationships with other people was possible. Uh required vulnerability on my part.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

It almost seems like that that kid that was bullied or or whatever, where you had you couldn't believe you were okay. It seems like you carried that, and then when you were successful, you were able to kind of bury it away, but you probably somewhere deep down never really let that go. And then finally, at this point, you finally opened that up and and acknowledged that you were just fine.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Yeah. Well, I think I you know, I I needed to have corrective experiences, is is one way of putting it. I could see, yeah, yeah, no, I can see how, like, at you know, age 30 and 31 the things that were driving me were so much more about how I thought people viewed me as opposed to how I viewed myself.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

And you know, I I never really learned until my 30s that yes, I have value because I'm here on earth, and so does everyone else, right? That's it. That's it, man.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Pretty simple, really. Yeah, exactly. Simple and in and easy don't align very well. No, things are usually the hardest. So when did you? I mean, it seems to me actually that your wife must have had a a really positive impact in this. If she's walking the same road and you guys are able to walk that road together, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

My wife is incredible. Like I always tell her, as long as her denial holds, we're gonna be all right, you know. She's a therapist and very smart, intuitive woman who is like polar opposite of me. I'm very extroverted, she's quite introverted, you know, kind of like the Robin Williams Billy Crystal duo. And uh, but she she was the one that that taught me really how to be a parent. And I have learned more from learning how to be a father and having understanding. Understanding of my parents and my own childhood as a result, then I've probably learned being doing anything else. And you know, five kids.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

How old are your kids?

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah, so they're they're one, three, six, twelve, and fifteen.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Oh, that's beautiful. Wow. All right. So you've got as long as you hold yourself accountable and the importance of these things, you got all the reason in the world to stay on your path the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

All the reason. And I will promise you that if I ever stop doing these things on any day of the week, I can get so caught up in what's going wrong. Yeah that I can I can no longer see what's beautiful all around me.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yeah. Wow. So you're going along, it seems like you're you're now you're on a on a beautiful road. What what caused you to write a book?

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah. So when I got back from Mexico, and there's you know, there's details that just for the sake of time, I I wasn't able to share. But you know, people people started saying, dude, you got a crazy story. You should write a book. And I was like, I was like, that's cute. Thanks. You know, I would hear it all

Why The Memoir And Podcast Exist

SPEAKER_00 24:10

the time. But what started to happen is I started to get like this intuitive gut punch, like, hey man, you're supposed to do this. Yeah. And so I I I'm not a writer, I can tell a story, you know, right? And so I I connected with some people who are writers. Okay. I said, and and it took four years. Wow. And and we finally got there. They were able to help me get it on paper.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

And and I don't know why it was supposed to exist. Certainly not a financial endeavor. Nobody really has any you don't make any money from books, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but I do think it's something that A has enhanced my own sobriety. Nice. Uh, it's allowed me to really put a pin in those things that were so shameful in my past. And and it's allowed me to connect with people. Like I can't really even put into words with you, man. Uh, when people read the book, you know, I don't come out of it smelling like a rose, man. I addiction is nasty. It's it does, you know, I did bad stuff. Yeah, and I I guess, you know, maybe the the intimate look at at what it was like has kind of connect connected me to a lot of people. It's been really remarkable.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

I love that. That's as you might imagine. I I do interview a lot of authors, and many have stories of whatever the struggle is, whether it was addiction or whatever. And then I I always wonder, you know, like usually there's that moment of I gotta write this, you know, there's not too many people that go through a difficult spot, start out as writers. You know, they they they live this, whatever it is, whether it's a disease or an injury, an addiction, whatever the issue is, and then they realize something gets inside of them, and it's like, I gotta write this, you know. There's like a calling, and whether they do it on their own or have help, whatever it is, doesn't matter. But yeah, that's kind of my my next point is like how long ago was the book published?

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Yeah, so it got published in October of 2025. Okay, not quite a not quite a year, about 10 months ago. And and and my funny enough, my wife was like, Hey, you know, if you're gonna get this book out there, you gotta go do social media stuff. And I don't not a huge, I don't really like social media that much. Yeah, and so I'm on there, I'm shooting these these videos, I'm trying to come up with stuff every day to like put some stuff out there. It just felt really ingenuine. And so yeah, I decided to start a podcast because I'd done a lot of podcasting in the past. Nice, and let other people come on and and you know, create that content for me, right? And but part of part of what we're doing right now is a part of that strategy. Like I can talk to you all day, yeah, yeah. You know, ask me to shoot a 90-second video and I'll I'll I can't cross-eye.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Yeah, well, that's why I love doing this. You know, for me, it's about building a community to find health. You know, there's so many ways to be unhealthy, and there's so many ways to find health. And I'm like, well, why not just give a place for people to come and and be a part of this? Whether you're offering something or or or asking for something, it's we're all part of this community. It's kind of a labor of love. I'm not making a nickel off of this, I'm doing it because it's important work. And maybe one day I will, but right now I'm I'm I I do it because I think it's important. And every time somebody comes to me and says, hey, I was listening to something, you you were talking to this person, and wow, I got woohoo! Like I'm like, yeah, it worked, it was it was a value. So I suspect you're you're finding a similar situation, probably both with your podcast and the the book. But tell me a little bit about some of the people that you know you've impacted.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Yeah. So I mean, up until this point, the people that I've really had on the podcast have been other addicts and alcoholics coming on to tell their story. I had I'm starting to kind of branch out from that. I had a you know some trauma therapists on and and other stuff. But what I have found is so if anyone buys the book through my website other than than Amazon, you're gonna get immediately connected with me. And I I I'll send out an email saying, hey, if you ever want to chat, like by all means reach out. And I have had some people coming back and and reading the you know, reading the uh reviews of the book on Amazon has been really, really gratifying uh to just see people, you know. I didn't know if anyone was gonna read it. Uh I got to the end of it and I'm like, well, here goes nothing, man. You know, let's turn it loose, dude. And and so far it's been great. So far it's been a great experience.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

So we've covered a lot of ground, and like you said, you just touched on so many things. And as I say with so many guests, I'd love to have you back and go deeper into this, maybe uh a little while after the book's been out. And I'd love to continue. Like, I I these are relationships, you know. People are like, Oh, you had a guest, and I'm like, Yeah, well, I talked to these guests, like I've had over 250 guests on my show, and probably almost a third of them I'm in contact with on some level. Yeah, and we people come back, you know, we're we're we're engaged in a dialogue. Is there a message that you would think that to leave with our guests that you think would be that one, your parting shot?

SPEAKER_00 29:26

The message that I really wish I would have been able to hear early on was that I didn't have to achieve or do anything to have value, right? That I I simply had value because I was here on the earth. And and when that really clicked for me, everything in my world changed. And

Worth, Hope, And How To Connect

SPEAKER_00 29:43

so I I think that's probably my message is that. And you know, if anyone is struggling with addiction or alcoholism, man, there's there's a solution. There is a solution.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I love that. That's a powerful message. It keeps coming up, and it's it's so important. I think that's amazing. And of course, tell us how to find your book.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Yeah, yeah. So it's on Amazon, Audible, anywhere you can buy a book, Walmart. But you can also go to one last hitbook.com. You can buy it there, you can contact me there. I love chatting with anyone. If anyone wants to ever rap, hit me up.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

I love that. I I listen to a lot of books on Audible. Did you record this or did you have somebody else? I did. Did you?

SPEAKER_00 30:25

If you particularly like my voice, you can listen to it on Audible.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

I like I like when authors record their own story because it's like you're you get a jump in their head, yeah, totally in a real way. Like one book that I listened to by an author that I really respect had the worst narrator. And I almost didn't finish the book because I was like, I can't listen to this. This guy thing's horrible. Yeah, but I did, and and and I got to know it. So I I do like to I do like it when when you guys, you know, record your own stuff. Well, this has been fascinating, fantastic, and I really appreciate you coming and sharing your story. And I I I look forward to talking some more in the future.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Yeah, awesome. Thank you so much, Joe. I appreciate it, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

You bet. Well, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and I want to thank all of our listeners for making this show possible. And we will see you next time.