Root Cause Detox with Angela Jenkins

Your body can look “fine” on the outside while a deeper problem keeps building underneath. Joe Grumbine sits down with Angela Jenkins, founder of Health is Local and a clinical nutrition veteran with 30 plus years in the field, to talk about what changes when you stop treating isolated symptoms and start using a root cause lens.

Angela shares her own turning point with kidney failure and what finally helped her move from watchful waiting to real progress: investigating toxic burden, understanding detox cycles, and using testing strategies like hair analysis to uncover heavy metal issues such as cadmium exposure. We also get honest about why DIY cleanses can backfire, what a Herxheimer reaction can feel like, and how toxin recirculation happens when elimination pathways are not supported.

From there, we get practical. We unpack the “boring” foundations that make healing possible: clean real-food nutrition, consistent daily movement for lymph flow, sleep and light hygiene, hydration, and a systematic approach that supports liver, gut, kidneys, and lymph. Angela also explains why nutrition is not one size fits all, how genetics testing and gut testing can personalize a plan, and why clean water matters in a world with PFAS forever chemicals, including why reverse osmosis is a strong baseline.

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SPEAKER_00 0:12

Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and today I've got a very special guest with me. Her name is Angela Jenkins. And Angela

Welcome And The Root Cause Lens

SPEAKER_00 0:23

is the founder of Health is Local. She's got some degrees behind her. She's got 30 years, more than 30 years in clinical nutrition. And she's built her work around a simple idea that the body is an interconnected biological system, not a pile of isolated symptoms. So she teaches a root cause approach through what she calls the root cause lens, combining real food nutrition, environmental awareness, and strategic detoxification. And that's all I need to hear. Angela, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Well, thank you for having me, Joe. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Well, it's a pleasure. I'm glad you you reached out and you know, you fit right into our audience. You know, we're all here building a community based around health and healthy living, and there's so many aspects to it. You brought up, you know, your concept is really important. We deal a lot with holistic concepts and and practices here, meaning that we're treating the whole body, not just some specific point on the map. And Western medicine likes to target symptoms and single molecules and say, okay, here's the thing we're gonna do. And it always sets these cascades of problems into motion and uh very seldom cures anything. So welcome to the show. Why don't you tell me a little bit about how did you get into this? I always like to hear the guest genesis story. Like what brought you to this?

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Excuse me. Well, I'll start it all started actually with my own health issue. Just just to give a little bit of background. I mean, 35 years as a dietitian, 20, the last 20 of it, one door

Angela’s Health Wake Up Call

SPEAKER_01 2:11

in the conventional system, one one foot in the conventional system, one foot out. So definitely realizing some time ago that what I was doing wasn't having the impact that I wanted to, and that I wanted to take it further. And so under that, under that premise of understanding, you begin to realize that the conventional system often is treating symptoms. And and there's a there's a time and a place for that. There absolutely is. I don't want to put through that system, but it's more more of a sick care system as opposed to a wellness system. And I think you know, in our circles, we hear that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

It's not, it's not, I think it's almost not disputable at this point, just because once you realize what the root cause of a problem is, then you have to take it that that step further. It's like, okay, wait a minute. If I suppress this symptom, am I actually causing more problems and just pushing the issue further and further down the line? And so once we realize that that's what's going on, and and I've got multiple examples of that that I can give. But when it came to my own health, my kidneys were failing. And as a dietitian, yeah, yeah, this was 2021. I went down this path of you know going through the conventional system. And ironically, at the time I was a dialysis dietitian.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

And the nephrologist told me at the time, he said, Well, we'll just watch it because you look healthy.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

And I'm like, Oh gosh. I said, Well, I can tell you some stories about that one.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Yeah, I said, Well, no, you can watch it and we'll track through you, and I'm gonna go figure out what the problem was. Yeah, and I did. And once you have that understanding uh for your own personal health, then you want to be able to share that with other people, and it extends into it it extends it pretty much into any realm, into any disease process. And yeah, so that's background.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Nine months not treating an aggressive cancer because the doctor told me I was so healthy that it probably wasn't cancer, and I was like, cool, I guess I'll let my body take care of itself. And I went nine months deeper down that road as a result, and so I'll certainly never do that again. Right. Yeah, it's hard. You were already in the field, and then you know, pe for people that don't know anything about dialysis, it's horrible. It's it's a anybody who gets to the point where they need dialysis, it's generally not a long road after that. I mean, it's a really like a it's sort of a last minute patch for a real bad problem. So, what ended up happening? Like, how did you end up solving it? You're still here, which is yeah, and makes me happy.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Yeah, healthier than ever before. I went after figuring out what the problem was, and it took uh several practitioners before

Hair Testing And Cadmium Clues

SPEAKER_01 5:06

I landed on somebody who said, Hey, let's do hair analysis and figure out what your body's dumping. And I thought, okay, sounds like a good thing to me because unbeknownst to me, I didn't know that you couldn't necessarily do blood work and figure out what the heavy metals were because your body will deposit it in places to try to keep it safe, keep yourself safe from it, and but it will dump it in your hair.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

And oh I didn't know that. That's that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Well, intermittently, so you have to be cautious with interpretation too. Because your body, when it detoxifies, doesn't do it all at one time, it does it in cycles, and and you know, just being being aware of that and where you are and what place and time and what part of the process is also, I think, quite important, which is why having a professional help you is also very important. Sure. But the it said I had a the hair analysis indicated I had a lot of cadmium in in my system, and which is extremely nephrotoxic.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Yeah, which then grocery makers get hit with that pretty bad.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Right. And it's it's in our conventional food system through the phosphate fertilizers, too, and it's in glass that's colored, not just glass, but but other dishes that are colored red. I mean, you go down through there's there's a huge list. And you start trying to weed through, okay, do I have any current sources in order to make sure that I can detoxify? And then that was the next question. How do I detoxify? Right. And so I I took the advice of the person I was working with and we we started moving moving the needle, so to speak. Since then, I've taken taken it even further because I realized at that point in time that I this was only the tip of the iceberg. And if I didn't get on top of other aspects of my own health, despite being a dietitian that practiced what practices what she preaches, that I was not healthy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Your kidneys are a pretty important piece of your physiology, and they're they do a lot of work, a lot of heavy lifting all the time. They don't stop working, they're always going at it. And when they're not working right or when they're getting themselves back in shape, they're likely affecting things around them in a pretty profound way.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Oh my, yes, absolutely. And then, you know, figuring out okay, so what you you know, you would think that in in healthcare that you would have more education on detoxification, but we just don't. I mean, 30 years, 30 plus years of doing this, and I I was aware that detoxification was a thing, but I wasn't aware to what degree it impacts so many diagnoses. Oh, yeah. And then once you realize that you it's tough to go back from it because it's like, okay, now that I know this, how can I help other people?

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Yeah, unring that bell, yeah. And and it's it's good that people are finally, I don't know if it finally, but they're they're coming more aware of the the whole picture. You know, the human body is this incredible machine that's got all these systems woven together on a on a on a macro level, on a cellular level, on a microscopic level, on an atomic level. Like, I mean, everything is is co-mingling, coexisting, affecting each other all the time. And to think, oh, I'm just gonna do this big thing and think it's not gonna, you know, have this giant cascading effect around is ridiculous. And and people think, you know, oh, I'm just gonna go detox. And they don't realize, well, what are you doing? Like, okay, you get this out of here and you put it somewhere else, or you get rid of some of it, but it doesn't all go away. You know, you're stirring up a pot of some potentially pretty toxic stuff. I don't know, it seems like you could get problems. I know they have a a term. I I'm still dealing with a little chemophob, so I don't remember all the all the terms of everything, but there's a a term for when you detox a little too hard, you get sick from it. Herxiner exactly. So that that happens pretty regularly. People, you know, just helping themselves to these, you know, cleansing herbs and these fasting and all these things, which I fully supporting, but be aware of, you know, maybe moderation or start slow, or I don't know. I'd love to hear your point of view about you know a healthy way to go after this.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Sure, yeah. My what I promote is having a system to go after it. I mean, understanding one, what what your toxic burden is to begin with is a great place to

Detox Risks Herxheimer And Recirculation

SPEAKER_01 9:57

start because if you have any current exposures and you try to detox, you're just going to make yourself sick. I mean, or you're going to just be moving it through your system without impact for the most part. I mean, if you're being effective at detoxification. Right. But then making sure that you're approaching it systematically so that you're supporting all of your biochemical systems in order to make sure that you're not recirculating, because that is a very big problem. So when people do just as a, for instance, a liver cleanse, a single liver cleanse, and they're like, Well, I'm going to do this for a month. Well, that's great, but what did you capture the toxins that were coming out of your liver?

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Right, right, right. Where'd they go? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

And most people are constipated, and they don't well, I shouldn't say most people are constipated. A lot of people are.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

A lot of people, yeah, for sure. It's very common, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

And they don't realize that constipation, by definition, will force a situation for recirculation. And so understanding that all of these things have to like, and that's just one example. I mean, there's much more to it than that. I mean, because it's your liver, your lymph, your kidneys, you actually excrete some things through your lungs, your brain, your lymphatic system detoxes in the middle of the night. And so rest is so important. I, you know, I, my approach, and and there's a bunch of really good practitioners out there that have a different approach. Mine tends to be more from the natural uh way of doing things, getting outside, getting sunshine, uh, doing some grounding. I think there's enough science behind that now at this point to say, hey, we just need to get away from our electronics, because even though they are not toxins per se, they are stressors for the body. That's that's clear. And then just making sure that we're looking at it again through the root cause lens. What are what are my genetics? What are my genetic predispositions? Although I think a lot of people lean too heavy on their genetics for explanation and use it as an excuse at times.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

My mother was overweight, so I'm just gonna be overweight, sort of. Well, well, we now know that that that's that's the smallest part of the equation. But the problem is still that we live in a very toxic world, and I'm I'm grateful that there's at least some attention to it now because previously there wasn't. We were all just like, you know, it's toxins aren't a thing. I'm like, oh, toxins are a thing.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Oh, yeah, absolutely are.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

And so understanding that we do live in a toxic world and minimizing that burden as much as possible is really what the I mean, that's the the general approach that I take. And then getting getting exercise, moving your body, gardening, gardening's huge, growing your own garden. I love that as a you know, garden squats are a great exercise, and you get sunshine, you know, you and you're grounding all at the same time. It's a three for one.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

So I don't know if you're aware, but I run a nonprofit called Gardens of Hope. And uh we have a little botanical garden and a small farm where we offer what we call therapeutic horticulture, and it's exactly what you're talking about. I love that. And it makes everything better, whatever you're doing. If you're healthy, you'll get healthier. If you got a problem, it'll help you get through it. And it's I I just did a podcast episode on my own about three garden exercises that are for a heavy workout, which is you know, shoveling sand, pushing a big heavy wheelbarrow up a hill, and moving heavy logs, which is something you do on a farm, and you get the best workout ever. I never go to a gym, you know. It's it's it's all good. And like you said, the grounding, there's a lot to that. People don't realize, you know, you start collecting positive ions, and people don't understand like what pH is and and what it means. And it means things move through membranes, it means things start sticking to you that oughtn't, or they don't leave you and they ought to. And this exercise of simply walking barefoot in the sand can help to get everything moving again. It's pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Yeah. And in order to detoxify, your body has to be in more of an alkaline state. And so the question is, how then do you get it there?

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Is one way to help facilitate that. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. So wow, I love this conversation. I'm sorry, I I talk too much when I get excited about a conversation. So I'll try to give you most of the most of the talking, but we're we're we're really in line. So your practice, you were working with dialysis patients in the past, that's a pretty heavy-duty dietary responsibility. Like the diet is so impactful on the kidneys. I couldn't think of much of a more important place for diet to be involved. What's what's your regimen with people that are going through dialysis?

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Well, and and to be clear, I don't work with people in that in that position anymore. But you know, it's it's but it's okay because it's interesting, actually. I I think because if there were something

One Size Fits Nobody In Nutrition

SPEAKER_01 15:01

I could emphasize in this particular part of the conversation, it would be that one size does not fit all. So in a in a pre-dialysis state, your approach to nutrition is quite different than in a dialysis state because your needs are dramatically different. So, so I think that oftentimes that messaging gets lost in the in the noise out there because everybody thinks I say everybody, I did it again. I didn't, it's not all or nothing.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

A lot of people, a lot of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

A lot of people think that, you know, carnivore is the way to go, or vegan is the way to go, or and I'm like, hold on here. One size fits all. In the in the nutrition realm, when it comes to what what causes classically, 95% of kidney disease is because of diabetes or hypertension, one or one or the other, or both.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

So in the absence of that, there's a very small subset of other autoimmune sorts of things that go on for the most part that that captures the rest of it. So, but that approach prior to your kidneys failing to the point that you need dialysis is quite different from when you're on dialysis and also relative to whatever the modality is that you choose, whether it's hemo or peritoneal. So those those things all have to be considered. And the same thing along the lines with you, you know, look at the general population. If you're looking to detoxify and become healthy, uh, it is not one size fits all just because your genetics are different. And so I actually, with my programs, I do some genetics testing also. Okay. It helps me fine-tune and cater it in to make sure that we're catering a program. We start in one place, but then we can go, oh, wait, you have this set of genes, which means that that explains actually this thing over here, this symptom or this diagnosis over here. And then we couple that, or I personally, this is why I do my programs, I couple it with some gut testing so that we have a more complete picture of where we are right now, and then how to cater to your your genes moving forward. And it really, it really dials the whole process in to a degree that that I mean, because I can be more targeted, I don't just do like, oh, okay, well, everybody's gonna do this general thing. And right, we know that you have mercury amalgams in your mouth. And while you're looking at going and getting those taken out, hopefully, maybe some, but some people can't afford to. Yeah. Yeah. So if they can't afford to do that, then what do we do? Just sit and wait.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

No, we don't have to. And that's that's the cool message because you're also we're also working with uh dialing in the biological component because we are a biological system.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Yeah, we're always moving, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

That the biology is supported in order to make sure that that that facilitates the detoxification, also.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

So I love that. Well, I mean, and people don't some people, anyways, don't think that your body's doing the healing, like all the things we do externally to cause the body to get well doesn't make you get well, it causes the body to heal itself. And so, like you said, waiting is generally the worst thing you could do if you have a bad thing, because bad things generally get worse when you wait. And because your body's not working, it's not healing itself. So if it's not healing, the thing that's bad is getting worse. And doing certain things, whether it's the food intake or the lack of it or fasting or whatever it is that you're doing, you're causing your body to have certain reactions or to stimulate this or to keep that from being stimulated, whatever it is. I am so respectful of your approach to the one-on-one way of looking at things. I I have a number of guests on this show that share that. And that's kind of, you know, again, it it falls in line with the holistic approach. There are some things that you could say are sort of blanket, all people generally respond to certain things. Why don't you walk us through some of the you know baseline things that if you're a human being and you're alive, you probably ought to do this or ought not to do that. And then you get to all the individual stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Sure, sure, absolutely. I I usually start with explaining to people that sometimes healing is very boring.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

It's the boring things, and hard work sometimes, too. Yeah, like

Boring Basics That Drive Healing

SPEAKER_01 19:36

getting up when the sun comes up and getting first light sun exposure and going to bed when the sun goes down, or at least close to it, and avoiding electronic light, the the blue light from the screens. All of those things are just baseline. Okay. Nutrition, foundationally, eating clean is super important. I would say intermittent fasting, but on some level it depends on well, like if you're midlife, sometimes we stay away from some type of fashion too long. Yeah, but at least for 12 hours overnight. Not eating for three hours before going to bed so that you get restful sleep. Yeah. Moving your body every single day in some shape, short, form, or fashion so that so that your lymphatic system is moving. So all of those things are just foundational. They are interestingly enough, my found I call it my foundation meal plan and lifestyle segment.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

I love it. I love it. I I think that I agree with everything that you're saying so far. I think the the processed food is probably like the most obvious elephant in the room, you know. Um grow some food yourself and then you know where it's been. I mean, that's that's really been my big approach lately. But what about water? I know there's so much hype about

Water Quality PFAS And Filtration

SPEAKER_00 21:43

water, and you know, we talk about alkalinity. People drink alkaline water like they think it's gonna make their body alkaline, doesn't really necessarily work that way.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

No, no, it doesn't. So it's it's expensive to get those machines. I'm a big advocate as another foundational approach uh for reverse osmosis filtered water, just because you know, even though it takes out everything, including the good stuff, it's it's the thing that comes closest to getting all the bad stuff out. And so from that perspective, we can always remineralize water, but we can't get the rest of the toxins out. And so at this point, I don't think it's even disputable that that our water supply, whether it's public water or well water, is it's got contaminants in it. There was a study not done not that long ago by the EPA that said 54% of all water that they tested, whether it was whether it was from a public water supply or whether it was a well, had had at least one PFAS in it.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

At least one, which means it's these are those forever chemicals that I I forget what that movie was, Blackwater or something. It was like it's a really good movie about a really bad thing. And these things mess everything up. Like they they start messing with your chromosomes. I mean, it's really bad.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

We're getting exposed to it on all levels, everywhere we go. And like you said, it's in the wells. So until they figure out some way to remove it, and I don't know how well reverse osmosis does, but it probably helps some. It does.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Yeah. It does a it does a good reasonably good job. And and the other thing I think that deserves some attention is that a lot of people think because they're if they're on a well that they're safe. Right. And it's just not true because I I actually have a client, believe it or not, that does some of the cleanups that happen all over the country. So he's traveling everywhere, like when there's a a spill in a waterway. That's what he does. And then you go back and you look and you can pinpoint where that was and what aquifer that's going to go into. So so for instance, if you there's a spill in Iowa, it's affecting me where I am in Springfield, Missouri, because it's the same aquifer. But people don't think in those terms a lot of times. And so just drawing some attention to it, I think, is is useful because there is clean clean water, if you think about it. If we're drinking enough water, we should be drinking way more than what we're eating. And so the exposures there can potentially be tremendous.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Agreed. Agreed. You brought up a really good point. You know, some people do well on a keto diet, some people do good on a carnivore diet, at least for some period of time. Some people do well on a vegan diet, some people can't do a vegan diet. I mean, there's all these different ways to do it. And I learned, you know, with my cancer that there's a very specific diet that helped me tremendously that was the opposite of what I was doing before, thinking I was being healthy. So doing the research, learning about yourself and your specific needs, there's a lot of ways to do it. I think your genetic testing is important. I think the gut biome, that's a whole conversation. Like I mentioned before, you know, we're gonna run out of time here before we run out of conversation. So I'm certainly gonna invite you to come back and go deeper into some of this stuff. You've been practicing for a long time. I always like to hear a story or two about somebody or some people that you've had a really dramatic impact on. Is there a couple of stories or at least one that you'd like to share with us?

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Sure. I you know, I have a recent one too, a very recent one. It was it's a lady that I've been working with for almost a year, and it's been it's been a challenge because there's there's a lot of nuances. I I'm a single female, and she's a single female, and single people have the burden of responsibility

A Detox Success Story Over Time

SPEAKER_01 25:40

of everything falling on their shoulders, right? They don't have we don't have help. And so, I mean, it was it was good for me because I was able to kind of relate to her in in that way also. But her job before she required before she retired, just before we started working together, was to clean up toxic waste sites.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

So even though you are doing the best you can to shield yourself from what it is that's going on, I mean, it's just impossible. You are in it, in it and out of it every single day.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

And she did this for like radiation, you're never gonna keep it away from you entirely, no matter what you put on your body or doing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

And she, I think she did this for 16 years.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

So so here you are, and when when you start looking at the foundation, again, go back to the foundations. You have somebody who's working, you know, sometimes 10, 12, 14 hours a day. And I think a lot of people can relate to that, and then trying to piece together how to eat right and your what I call your systems around making sure that your your functional support is available to you, which means I'm big on making sure that people are meal planning so that they can have available to them what they need if they don't have a garden in the backyard, so that they the right choice is the easy choice. It's just within reach, and that's that's the that's we're human beings, that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna reach for easy. So, so we worked through a lot of that over the last and it's been about 10 months. And she called me two days ago and she texted me and said, Hey, you know, and she's had progress, she started losing weight finally, because weight loss resistance is a part of that. You know, it would come out in phases and she'd start feeling poorly, and I'd say, you know, here's what we need to do. We're gonna just capture what's coming out and get some rest, drink plenty of fluids, and let just you just stay present with the process. Well, she finally the other day just tickled me because she was all excited. She goes, I can't even tell you. I was at my fashion release lady, and she's like, All these toxins are coming out of my body, and I'm releasing everything. And I feel so good today that I can't even, I mean, I couldn't keep her. She kept talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

And I said, I am so happy for you. I can't even tell you because sometimes detox doesn't happen all at the same time when you're doing it and you're staying diligent with the process and you know what you're doing, it gets a bad name because people start feeling poorly and they quit. And then what they shouldn't do is quit. They should learn that this this symptom is okay. What is going on? What do I need to do in order to make sure that I'm not recirculating whatever is causing this problem? And so we finally we finally got there to where she was like, I I yeah, it was great. It was just I love that.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

That's that's so rewarding. So you were working with dialysis patients for a while, and you say that you're not now. What's your practice like today?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Now I I consult through an office here in Springfield. I do I do that, and then I do mostly detoxification through there. I do my own side consulting for detoxification, and then I also work with an online platform kind of in my free time just to make sure I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm an ad addict for being a dietitian so that I can help people and just make sure that I I love it.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

You're passionate. You love you, you know what you do helps people, so you want to do more of it. I love that. Sure. Is there something you have planned for the future that's you know beyond what you're doing now?

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Oh, yes, yes, yes, absolutely. You know, my business name is Health is Local, and a lot of that was founded on the understanding that there is no food transparency in America. And so once once we realize that, I think the most recent example that hit headlines is is the I don't know if you heard about the issues with Primal Kitchen and and the brand.

Food Transparency And Health Is Local

SPEAKER_01 29:28

The brand primal kitchen. Yeah, it's it's made some headlines again. It when I went back and looked at it, there was some reporting that was done on it some time ago, but it's been it's recirculating right now. And it was the brand, it's the brand that that was supposed to have uh avocado as the base for the majority.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Oh, yes, yes, that there was no avocado in, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Well, or there was other things and avocado, I'm not quite sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Yeah, but it wasn't what they said by your stretch, yeah.

unknown 29:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

So that's one more study's coming out on that recently, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Yeah. So that was that's that is a great recent example of why food lack of food transparency. Here the label says one thing, but and so we think we're getting something uh that we're not getting. And so um, I have kind of this larger initiative, and I and I have from the very beginning of teaching people about the lack of food transparency, understanding how to make better food choices and why it is that your health truly is on a local level, not just from the detoxification cellular side, but as you go out in concentric circles from yourself, making sure that you have access to fresh, healthy food, just like what you talk about, Joe. So, my plan to answer you, that was the long version of my answer.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

All right, we get along well.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

I'm gonna have my I I when I got divorced, I I the I had to leave the farm. I I want my regenerative farm back.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

I love that. I love that. I love that. Well, if you're ever in Southern California, I'd love to show you our spot and what we're doing, what we've done, but definitely you're you're on the right track. Well, listen, Angela, we're short on time now, but is there a central thought that you would like to leave our audience with?

SPEAKER_01 31:13

You know, if you're how if you're if you're not feeling well and you want to make progress with your overall health, don't lose, don't lose heart. There is hope. Understand that maybe you just haven't

Final Takeaway And How To Reach Angela

SPEAKER_01 31:30

asked the right question yet. Uh and because I think that's part of the larger problem. And don't be afraid to go outside of the conventional system because I think there's a lot of answers out there. Um but it does oftentimes it it just takes it just takes a different lens, and like us like I promote, I mean, if we go after it from the root cause lens of what's the root cause of the problem, then we're gonna fix it for a lifetime as opposed to just treating a symptom.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

So I love that. I love that. Well, more than likely, you're gonna have some listeners that are like, Well, I need to talk to this lady. How do we get a hold of you? Share any contact that you like or anything you want to promote.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Sure, absolutely. You can just email me if you want to, Angela at health is local.com. That's probably the quickest and easiest way to get in touch with me. If you want to actually book a discovery call, you can go on my website, www.health is local.com. And there's there's probably 16 or 17 buttons on there to book a call with me.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Nice. Make it easy for them. Whatever you touch, you're gonna get to that place, right? Eventually.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

So that's probably the easiest way to get in touch with me.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

So I love that. Well, Angela, this has been fascinating. And again, I'd love to have you back to go deeper into some of this stuff. We barely scratch the surface on some really important topics. So I just want to thank you for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Okay, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

It's my pleasure as well. This has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine. I want to thank all of our listeners for making the show possible, and we will see you next time.