ACUMA ONpoint
ACUMA ONpoint
Personal Growth and Empowerment Through Adversity
What if a simple mindset shift could change the trajectory of your life? Join us as we explore this transformative concept with Jamie Aguilar, Senior Vice President of Lending at Sunward Federal Credit Union. Jamie shares her journey of resilience, balancing education and family, and how adopting a positive mindset helped her overcome personal and professional challenges.
Our discussion delves into how embracing vulnerability and authentic communication can lead to profound growth. We reflect on pivotal moments that required us to choose empowerment over adversity, which improved our circumstances and set an example for future generations. With over 22 years in the credit union industry, Jamie shares her personal story of shifting from a pessimistic outlook to one of empowerment, significantly impacting her family’s well-being.
To wrap up our enriching conversation, we focus on the power of choice and perspective, underscoring the idea of seeing growth opportunities even during tough times. This episode is a meaningful exploration of personal beliefs shaping reality as we discuss the importance of leaving a positive legacy. This is an episode you don't want to miss. Tune in now!
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The views and opinions expressed in this podcast do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of Acuma, its board of directors, its management staff or its members. The podcast discussion presented is conversational in nature and for general information only.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to Actors On Point podcast, a series focused on sharing the stories of people who are making a positive impact in the credit union mortgage industry. I'm your host, Peter Benjamin. Before we get to our episode, just a quick word from our sponsor.
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Speaker 2:Today I am joined by Jamie Aguilar, senior Vice President of Lending with Sunward Federal Credit Union. Jamie, how are you doing today?
Speaker 4:I'm doing fabulous, peter, how are you?
Speaker 2:I am awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome One. Thank you very much for being here, looking forward to our conversation. You know it's. You know, as always. You know, prior to the recording, prior to our podcast, we sit down with our guests and we kind of you know brainstorm on what we want to talk about, and I think our conversation today is one that hits a little too close to home. And so I'm really excited for our discussion today and, I think, one it's really new to the podcast and, I think, one that I think all of our listeners will resonate with, so excited to have it. But before we get to it, I have to bring Justin in. Kind of give us all the latest and greatest that's happening over at Acuma. So, hawk, what is going on? How are you doing, and please give us the latest and greatest that is happening over at Acuma.
Speaker 5:I'm good, peter. How are you Living the dream? Living the dream, that's right, all right, I know right. Living the dream? That's right, all right, I know right. Well, can you believe, though, that we're only one month away from our first in-person event this year? I cannot, I know right. We get to go to our Viewpoint Regional Summit. That's on April 8th and 9th down in Pensacola, and, as I've mentioned in the past, we're going to have that experiential part with it, so we get to go see the blue Wahoos. In between, two half days of education. Yeah, we just got to. It's a chant, we know it is. It has to be.
Speaker 5:I don't know man, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm still rooting for the Montgomery biscuits.
Speaker 5:I. We just need some great jam to go with it.
Speaker 2:I already ordered the hat, so if I get in trouble for wearing a hat when we're down there, you're supposed to rep the home team. I don't care, I'm telling you the hat is awesome.
Speaker 5:Now, granted, I did have a craving for biscuits the other day. They were delicious, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:Anyways, I'm still going to buy a blue Wahoos hat, but the Montgomery biscuit hat. I'm not going to lie. Anyways, I'm still going to buy a blue Wahoos hat, but the Montgomery biscuit hat. Tell me, man, it's legit there you go.
Speaker 5:But we'll have the reception, the minor league game, kind of nestled in between the two half days of education. So it's open to credit union QSOs. It's a free event. So if you're looking to kick off your spring season with some fun educational opportunities, this is one for you. Also, registration is open for our Focal Point workshops. The first one is happening May 6th and 7th. That one will be in Savannah, georgia, and the other one's June 3rd and 4th down in or over in Seattle. I don't think I can say down, since it's literally all the way across the us. It's up, up, up and over. There you go there you go.
Speaker 2:That works, I think. You know I'm couldn't be more. I don't know which one I'm more excited for.
Speaker 5:Savannah's been on my list of cities I want to visit for a very long time, but I mean I will say, having done a lot of the marketing for them, both of them have very rich cultures. Oh, so I think that that's what I'm excited about is because not, I mean we know that people come to our events because one they're awesome to figure an insane amount, amount of education. But the cities also matter, and we know that and that's why we try to move them around as much as we can. But, um, the culture in both of these places, uh it's, it's been fun to look into and research for sure I mean they are.
Speaker 2:But I know we're getting sidetracked. But you know, the pacific northwest has a special place in my heart and I I always talk about it and I I love seattle, the fact that we're going to the pacific northwest. You know, seattle especially. I couldn't be more giddy, but I've started going down, like this rabbit hole of, you know, wanting to go to all the fancy Starbucks that are there. I don't know why. I'm a beer person and Seattle has a good brewery scene, but they also have the Starbucks reserves and the roasteries.
Speaker 5:I think that's what I've been to one in new york. It was awesome, is it really? Yeah, it was awesome. It's over in chelsea market. It was insane. I think we spent like an hour at starbucks, so we're totally going to a coffee, 100.
Speaker 2:Going to a roastery? Yeah, of course, like I just I want to, I just want to go to it and I want to try it. And don't think I think you can get like mixed drinks there too, right? Yep, they have all kinds of stuff. Oh, totally going hands down? Yeah, I think they do. Like tours, yep, they do those too.
Speaker 5:All right, we're doing, yeah. And then, to wrap out our in-person events, we have our make your mark annual conference, which is going to be happening in Denver. Be on the lookout in the next month or so for some special communications regarding that, because that will be coming out. And then, if you're not able to make it to our in-person events, I would say, fret. Not, because we have our webinar series, our Fast Tracks and Inside Tracks that are happening year-round. But in addition to the webinars, we also launched a few new networks that are credit union QSO specific and then some that are also open to just about anyone. So we have our marketing networks, our underwriting networks, our volume based networks and, last but not least for sure, our young professional network. So stay on the lookout for upcoming meetings with those uh groups as well let's do like a happy hour at starbucks.
Speaker 2:That would be fun. Could you imagine, like? I know I should be looking at something else, but I'm looking at the map. I think it's right down the street from us, from our hotel you got uppers and downers, that's awesome, I know Never do a downer than an upper. Always do Wait, no switch. That Anyways, I come back, I digress.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that could be fun. That's right. We need to add this to Krista's very short list of things that she needs to work on.
Speaker 2:She's probably listening right now, but yeah, we'll make it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we'll add it to the list of things.
Speaker 2:We'll see how this one goes we're totally getting in trouble for this. All right, love it. I love getting in trouble. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Of course this will be so good, jamie. Sorry, I like getting in trouble. All right, so I'm going to close that window. I need to stop going down that rabbit hole. Um, again, excited for this conversation. But before we get to our conversation, I I always start off the podcast with the same questions. Like I have to continue to do it this way. Um, you know, the first question is always the same and again, the On Point podcast is a people piece and I always preface it the same exact way. First question is always the same one who is Jamie? Let's always start it with that. So please, you know, for the people who don't know you, you know, walk us through who Jamie is. You can make this as personal as you want, you can keep it as professional as you want, you can do a mix of both, but please, let's walk us through that.
Speaker 4:Love it. I always appreciate a mix of both. So I currently get the opportunity to lead Sunward's lending team as the SVP of lending, where I get to redefine the cooperative spirit within finance institutions. Where I get to redefine the cooperative spirit within finance institutions. I really enjoy this space because I get to champion values that really align with me, both professionally and personally Accountability, grittiness, putting our members first, being better every day.
Speaker 4:I have 22 years in the credit union industry. I actually have served 22 years at one organization and then recently joined the Sunward team in New Mexico, which is where we're going to lead into it. But part of this mind shift and journey as we go through so I have two amazing boys that I am absolutely proud of my journey has really been one of learning evolving, redefining success, of learning evolving, you know, redefining success. I've had many moments where I've had to completely shift my mindset, whether it be in my career, whether it be in my personal life or facing challenges that seemed impossible at times. So I like to always think of my growth, as you know, not always having all the answers, but being able to ask better questions. So I'm really excited to dive into this today.
Speaker 2:Okay, awesome. And I think you kind of hinted at it, and I think that's the main premise behind today's conversation is our ability as humans, as professionals or whatever. We want to frame this up as our ability to maintain a positive mindset, but also to to navigate difficult times and really come out ahead, right? So I think we all go through difficult times, you know, and I think some of us have the ability to come out ahead. Take those times that are more difficult than others, learn from them and come out better, right. But at the same time, some of us really never recover from it, right. And so maybe this episode is going to go a little bit deeper than what we normally do, and I think that's why the second segment is always geared towards making it a little bit more lighthearted.
Speaker 2:But I think this conversation is really tailored for the people who have a hard time taking themselves back up, right, because we need to find a way to learn and grow and keep moving forward. You know was it Winston Churchill says if you're going through hell, keep going. So let's dive into this, okay, so help, let's kind of walk through your journey, let's dive into it and how, how you found ways to kind of keep motivating yourself to push forward and and maintaining that mindset that to overcome adversity oh, you know, mindset is really an kind of an undervalued concept, right?
Speaker 4:Everybody thinks it's this rose colored glasses. You have to find this silver lining. It has to be this this great, happy kind of blinded look. But it's not so. Reality is, some situations just suck. You know, there are some days where we are just not the best versions of ourselves.
Speaker 4:And mindset is not about pretending everything is great or finding silver lining in everything when there's not one there, you know, it's not saying that, oh, we needed the rain when you're standing in the middle of a flood. It's about knowing deep down that you've had resilience to push through the storm. It's about owning the power that you have within you to face anything and come out stronger, or even sometimes just come out Right. The difference is it's the choice that you choose. You know, mindset where I had was early on in my parenting days, at a very young age, raising two boys on my own, carrying the full weight of providing a household, kind of just learning in myself as I was so young, trying to figure out what was next. Right, I had previously really leaned towards pessimism, flipping into that victim mentality. Why me? My boys deserve better.
Speaker 4:Then there was a frustrating kind of middle ground moment where I found myself making too much money to qualify for government assistance to get my children health care, but not enough money to afford proper health care for them. And at that moment I stepped back and said I had two choices I could lower my income to qualify for aid or work harder to afford the health care that my boys deserve, the life that I wanted. And I just remember looking at my boys and I knew at that time that I couldn't accept the status quo. They deserve to live the life that they were meant to live, not the one that we were currently stuck in. So for me it was about survival and resilience and really redefining what was possible. I made the conscious choice to shift from I can to I will, from we have to settle to we're going to make this work. We stopped seeing ourselves as a broken household and started embracing that we were really an awesome family.
Speaker 4:You know, this mind shift, this change not only helped like financially, but our mental and physical well-beings as well. So it wasn't pretending about. Things were easy. There were hard days, there were days of tears. It was really about reframing these challenges with the cards that we were dealt and doing the best of what we could with the cards that we were dealt, so it wasn't a this happened to us. This is the cards. What are we going to do with it?
Speaker 2:And that shift in perspective has really made a difference in my journey so may I ask you know you you kept referring to you know how, how young your boys were. Just you know. You know having young kids, you know, and I I share this often. You know, my, my oldest, is seven. I have twin girls that are four. How old were your boys at the time?
Speaker 4:if you don't mind me asking, so they were eight and a newborn.
Speaker 2:We're talking months, yeah month, okay, and and so you know, eight, eight and seven year old, you know, for the most part, you know it's, it's very similar in in maturity levels, right, and so oftentimes you're, you know, I imagine I was having, I'm having the same conversation that you were having with with your, your eight-year-old, right, and so how did you explain to your eight-year-old back then, you know, that flip of a mindset, right, cause I mean, I and, and Justin, I'm sure you can relate, you know, being, you know, the father of two boys.
Speaker 2:It's all too often, you know, and Justin, you coach baseball, I coach basketball and lacrosse. I just heard it the other day from one of the kids I coach, this is too hard, or I don't want to do this because it's too hard. How did you flip that mindset with your son? Because I'm sure it was this is too hard, I don't want to do this because it's too hard. How? How did you get that message across to him to get him to follow your lead and understand, hey, we're gonna do this, you're awesome, I awesome, we're in this together, together we can, we can push forward, you know, et cetera.
Speaker 4:So I think a lot of it for me was is having those honest conversations as much as you can to an eight-year-old and really just explain like everybody is born into different phases of the world, right? Some Some you know are raised by their grandparents and some are raised by, you know, two moms, two dads, single moms, single dads you know two parents. This was to the cards that we were dealt and we're really going to enjoy the most of it. So I don't know that I was able to explain that mind shift to him versus more demonstrating and then, when things did get hard and when things got sad, recognizing like it's okay to be sad, but tomorrow we're going to get up and we're going to have some fun.
Speaker 4:Because you are not that version. You get the choice to be able to be happy tomorrow or you get the choice to continue to have these sad days. And where do you feel better? Right, that was a lot of our conversations. You know, when you, you know when you wake up and you're having these kind of doubtful moments or these sad moments, you know how does it feel. You know it feels crappy. It doesn't feel good. Well, when you go out and we, you know we do sports or we're having fun, like how does that make you feel? And so, of course, well, I'm excited, and so we try to shift to. Well, let's concentrate on having those feelings again, the ones that we enjoy having, and not so much the ones that we don't enjoy having. We can have our pity party today, that's okay.
Speaker 2:But tomorrow we're going to get back up, get mean. It's. You know that whole idea of you know we choose our attitude today, every single day that we get up, is the message that I say to my boy, my son, every single day. You know, my girls are still at that point where they're like, you know, whatever, dad, you know I'm going to talk to mom, mom's more important, but my son's at that point where he's still listening to me. But yeah, it's that we choose our attitude every day. And, yeah, yesterday sucked, but today can be better and you either choose to be happy, choose to be sad, choose to be mad. But let's, today, let's choose to be happy and let's, let's, let's just be happy and let's choose to be awesome today and we can push forward. That's awesome. So what else can we provide?
Speaker 2:What other type of I don't want to say words of advice Maybe that's the right way of framing it up what other type of words of advice can we provide? Someone who is, we'll say, going through some dark times or dark moments, that you would say, or as a lesson that you learned, that you're, that you would say I wish I would have done this better, and maybe perhaps you know, hindsight's always 20, 20. If you could have done something better, it may be turned out Okay, but which you wish you could have done it better. What was, what would be that one lesson learned?
Speaker 4:So one that really sticks out, and it was reminded um. A good friend of mine, um, so one that really sticks out, and it was reminded. A good friend of mine, del Vermillion, had reminded us of a story that was told by Trevor Moad, and you guys have probably heard this one. It's been around a while, but the concept of this story is that there was a young man who was struggling in high school, failing out of school, wasn't really kind of the best version of himself, didn't have a bright looking future and had promised his mom that he would take the SATs. So he went in, took the SATs, took the SATs because that's what he promised his mom, not expecting anything out of it. When the results came in, he scored a 1480 out of 1600 on the SATs and for anybody you know, that is amazing, that is phenomenal, that's like kind of, you know, going towards that genius status. And he really started to see himself in a different light. He began acting differently but, you know, believing he was smarter than he ever realized he could be. And he not only changed and shifted his life through high school, he was able to get into college, was successful through college and then eventually became the most you know, successful magazine entrepreneur. But then there's a twist to the story. So 12 years after this wonderful sat, life-changing moment, he received a letter stating that he was one of 13 individuals that were given the wrong SAT score, that he was actually a 740 and not a 1480. So this story is not about the mistake behind it. It's about how he was able to shift his mindset, because he believed he was this 1480. He started acting like a 1480. So his belief changed his behaviors. His behaviors changed his attitude. The attitude changed the reality. Right, so the power of mindset.
Speaker 4:So when we go back to your, to your question on what would I have liked to do better, I constantly remind myself am I acting like that 1480? And it can be when I'm struggling to work out and I just don't want to do it, but I know what my end result is. Am I acting like that 1480? And there have been plenty of times where I have not lived that positive mindset mentality. But it's recognizing that that's the stage I'm in, right, it's recognizing, hey, that's the mindset that I'm in.
Speaker 4:And then really asking myself the conscious, you know, jamie, are you going to stay in this negative mindset or are you going to act like that 1480? Are you going to come out of it? And I think recognition is one advice, that it is okay. You know I had said it before. You know there are days that are going to suck right, but it's recognizing. What do I want out of it, recognizing that I'm in that space and then what do I want to do to get out of it? Because I am the only one that can make that shift. There's no amount of teachings, there's no amount of mentorship, there's no amount of counseling and life coaching that can get you out of it. It has to come from you. And then you make that conscious choice to stay in or get out.
Speaker 2:Okay, I love it. That's awesome. If there's one thing that you would say that you're the most proud of, after all these things, after navigating all these dark times and coming out ahead, what's the one thing that you would say, hey, I'm the most proud of this. What would that be?
Speaker 4:Making the choice to go down the hard path of working harder, putting myself through school while raising two boys. I'm most proud of choosing that hard path because it would have been easier to choose the path of oh, let me just work less. Oh, you know, let me go out and find somebody to support me. So my biggest has always been that I took a path that was aligned with my values and my visions and what I wanted to see out of my boys as they grew up into young adults.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's awesome, justin. You leaned in.
Speaker 5:Yeah. So, jamie, I feel like you and I, I feel like you're telling my story and it's incredible hearing it from someone else's perspective as well, when you kind of reach that moment where you kind of put yourself through school and what was that epiphany like? What did that feel like?
Speaker 4:oh, that is beyond words. There is a a passion about knowing that I have just demonstrated to my boys, to my friends, to my families that anything is possible if to my boys, to my friends, to my families, that anything is possible if you put your mind to it. I think that was that joy and kind of a satisfaction of man. It was tough, there was a lot of obstacles in the way, but I came out better and now my boys realize and recognize that through the struggles of life, that we can get through it yeah, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 5:I mean, I, I remember being in a similar situation and just the amount of weight as soon as I kind of let it all go, the amount of weight that was just lifted, like it was just like you could breathe again, like Like so many doors opened up whenever you quit focusing on bad stuff.
Speaker 4:I love it and you're exactly right, and that's why I always think it's so undervalued, because people do look at it like those rose colored glasses, but it is not. There is something truly about a unexplainable shift in yourself and how happy you are and how you see the world and how, you know, I always look at it like a sunset. You know, did you enjoy the sunset? It happens every night, but you get the opportunity right To say, man, it's a beautiful sunset or that's a sunset. So I 100% agree with you. There is something that shifts in your whole world that makes life happy, positive, and you know, there's a million words that can describe it, because it is very hard to crawl out of a dark space, but when you do like, you're unstoppable totally that's awesome.
Speaker 5:You were gonna say something else, Justin or no? No, it's an amazing story. I've heard my own fiddle before, so it's just hearing it in a different tune.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. All right, jamie, we need to start transitioning. As much as I want to continue this conversation, we need to start transitioning, but I always have that last question. And the last question is really, actually, I'm going to ask two questions and please forgive me for pivoting. The second to last question is always going to be final thoughts.
Speaker 2:By that on my preface, by saying, you know, as we focus on the idea of maintaining a positive mindset, you know, in this, this overall fast-paced, ever-changing industry, that we're in right and and let's be honest, I mean, the past couple years have been tough and let's and let's, let's, let's remove the personal side of this. Okay, because I think we focus a lot on the personal side in this conversation. Let's, let's focus on professional side for this, this, this moment. So the past couple years have been tough professionally for a lot of people, which is obviously, in turn, impacted them personally in the next couple years and you know, based off of everything that we've seen in the news, who knows what it's going to be like for us professionally? How do we maintain give me some final thoughts how do we maintain give me some final thoughts how do we maintain a positive mindset in this ever changing environment that we're in.
Speaker 4:So I would go back to everybody has a choice. You get to choose your good, you get to choose your bad, you get to choose your challenges and to really look at instead of this is happening to us that I get to go through this, that I get the opportunity to come out stronger, that I get the opportunity to come out stronger, that I get the opportunity to come out with more knowledge, I get the opportunity to share these experiences. You know, 10, 15 years down the road and then, based on those choices and those experiences, how am I going to show up? Like, what is that legacy going to look like? Was it, oh, you know, the market crash? Knock on wood that it's not going to crash, but the market crash.
Speaker 4:We went through these really hard times and that was it right, or is it? We went through these really hard times, but I was able to shift in this area. I was, you know, able to maybe learn about this, and then I came out of it even stronger, right? So I think it's that choice of when these things are happening is it happening to you or do you get the opportunity to grow from it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it. That was a great answer. All right, here's the real final question. You're like everyone else one foot out of bed. What keeps you going, what keeps you motivated, what keeps you driving every single day? And I mean, I have a feeling I know the answer, but I have to ask the question anyways what keeps you going?
Speaker 4:A couple of things. So it's really a passion for what I do and it's not just professionally, it's how I show up in the world right, it's the impact that I leave behind, it's the quote unquote legacy that I get to live behind. So I want my boys to see like, when you push through these challenges and you strive to be better, the world is your oyster right, the world is at your fingertips. You know, I love the challenges, I love the wins, but I love proving to myself even more that I can do what seemed impossible and that really fuels me like to leave things better than I found them.
Speaker 2:No, that is awesome. Great answer, great answer.
Speaker 5:All right.
Speaker 2:So we need transition to the second segment of our podcast and then the second segment. This is where we sometimes do Jeopardy. We sometimes have fun facts. But in today's episode, we're going to do the most requested, fan favorite series of dad jokes, and so here's how we're going to run it. We're going to go around the horn and we're each going to say our dad jokes, and so, prior to the podcast, I asked you to come prepared with two to three dad jokes. So you're going to say your two to three dad jokes, jess will do his two to three dad jokes and I will wrap up with my two to three dad jokes. Now, jamie, how many dad jokes do you have? Two or three?
Speaker 4:I have two.
Speaker 2:Perfect, perfect. So you'll do your two, justin will do his two and I'll do my two, and then we'll wrap up and that's it All right.
Speaker 4:So after you, so what do you call a factory that makes good products?
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 4:A satisfactory. It's always those shepherds that you know is a good bad joke, right? So why do chicken?
Speaker 5:coops only have two doors.
Speaker 4:I know this one, because, if they, had four.
Speaker 2:They'd be called chicken sedans. I knew that one.
Speaker 4:I hate that I didn't say it these are the ones that got the biggest eye rolls from both of my boys, so I knew I had adamant I knew that one.
Speaker 2:I knew that one. Oh, damn it, I knew that one. Why I knew that one? Damn it. I knew that one. Why didn't I see it? I blanked on it. That was good. That was good. All right, justin, I'm going to try to ruin yours.
Speaker 5:I know I'm really good at ruining Justin's show. I'm struggling with this. Okay. What creature is smarter than a talking parrot? What A spelling bee.
Speaker 2:I knew that one too, oh oh.
Speaker 4:That was good that was good.
Speaker 5:Alright, I'm going to jack up this, but I'm going to try it anyways. What did Elvis say to his landscaper?
Speaker 2:Please do, please do an Elvis voice.
Speaker 4:Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I tried, I tried.
Speaker 5:That's a bad impersonation, but I tried.
Speaker 2:Do it again real quick.
Speaker 5:Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:That's good. That's good, nicely done. What do you call a one-legged hippo? I don't know A hoppo. I don't know a hoppo um um which one? Which one which one um. The other day my wife asked me if our kids were spoiled, and I said no, most kids smell that way well true fact, but yes, seriously god, it's bad, alright and that's it.
Speaker 2:That wraps up this episode's round of dad jokes. Well, jamie, thank you so much for joining us today. We really enjoyed the conversation. I mean it a lot. I think everything that you said, I think, resonated with both of us. You know, justin and I, but I think your message was very, very, very powerful. I appreciate the fact that you're vulnerable throughout this whole episode. I think this is probably one of the most impactful episodes that we recorded so far in the three seasons. So thank you very much, really do appreciate it absolutely appreciate you having me on absolutely thanks for the conversation of course, and justin, thank you, of course.
Speaker 2:It was my pleasure. And, to close out, thank you again to optimal blue for sponsoring today's episode and to all of you. We know your time is valuable. Thank you for tuning in to the latest episode of Acuma's On Point Podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. Until next time, be well, my friends.
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