Video Rooms in 2025 with Olly Henderson, Head of Video Product Jabra

Olly Henderson, Head of Video Product Management and Portfolio at Jabra, discusses the evolution of meeting room technology and how Jabra is redefining enterprise audio and video conferencing solutions.

• Launch of Panacast 40 VBS - a new Android bar designed for small huddle rooms
• The Role of Edge AI in Jabra's video solutions for optimal performance and reduced cloud dependency
• The Future of BYOD in Meeting Rooms
• Jabra's partnerships and collaborative efforts to enhance their product offerings, including the integration of the Microsoft Device Ecosystem Platform (MDEP)
• Simplifying the deployment process and reducing costs with features including zero-touch deployment and Jabra Plus management platform advancements

Thanks to Jabra, this episode's sponsor, for their continued support.

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Olly Henderson: So, PanaCast 50 and PanaCast 50 VBS are Android Bar. Um, they are both, you know, set for the Medium room. Uh, both got Medium Teams room certification and, uh, Medium Zoom rooms. So, um, you know, where do we go next? And I think pretty excited that at ISE, we're bringing our, um, our new baby, uh, to the market. So, it's a, uh, focus huddle and small room Android bar, Panacast 40 VBS.

So, the, the number represents the smaller room, 40 for small, 50 for medium, uh, leave some scope for other. things into the future as well. Uh, so yeah, we've got a new Android bar coming to the market. Um, Panacast 40 VBS, super excited about it.

Tom Arbuthnot: Hi, and welcome back to the Teams Insider podcast. For those of you watching, you can see I'm not in the studio. I'm just about to leave the house for ISE, and by the time you listen to this, it will be mid ISE. I had a great conversation with Olly Henderson this week, who told us all the news from Jabra, his new role in particular, and a little bit about his history, and also got into BYOD and the place of BYOD now and in the future.

Really great conversation with Olly. Thanks for the time. Look out for the IRC news from him as well. And many thanks to Jabra who are sponsoring the podcast. Really appreciate their support of everything at Empowering Cloud. Thanks a lot. And on with the show. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast.

Excited for this one. Uh, as we record, we're a week ahead of ISE, but we're going to be talking about things at ISE as well. And, uh, first time on the pod, I've got Olly, uh, Olly and I go back a bit. Um, but Olly, do you want to just give us a kind of intro of your current role and maybe a little bit about the history as well?

Olly Henderson: Yeah, sure, Tom. Absolute pleasure. Uh, and thank you so much for having me. Uh, I've been pretty excited for this one. It's not only, um, positive in terms of a corporate context, but it's just nice to catch up, mate, and share some, uh, war stories and, uh, the direction that we're looking to head in. So, uh, yeah, I've been, uh, find myself at Jabra now.

Uh, been here for three years. Um, head of product and portfOllyo on the video side of the business. Um, been a good, what I would say, a good and interesting contextual journey to this role at date. So, you know, started off in our sector at 21, straight out of university, had my first, uh, AV install companies back when it took four people to mount a 42 inch plasma screen and all of that.

Um, so yeah, I had, uh, residential and commercial install, uh, AV companies doing projectors, boardrooms, all that good stuff. Uh, a little bit of video conferencing back there with a, uh, poly ISDN systems, which was fun. So that was my first. Um, did that for quite some time really, um, sold those companies and then, uh, had, uh, a little step away from AV and collaboration, um, moved into some private stuff like, uh, thought restaurants was a good idea.

Uh, proved to be a little harder than I expected. So, full respect to anyone that runs a restaurant. Come back to AV 

Tom Arbuthnot: again. 

Olly Henderson: Came back to AV and then moved to the US in, uh, 2016. Uh, and it was at that point I came back into it and started working with a great, uh, integration company called Kinley. Uh, AVSI, uh, based out of Norway, but working in the, uh, US office.

Uh, where, um, you know, all the good stuff that avs I do. Um, specification of rooms, uh, maintenance, all of that. And kindie were a super strong, um, Cisco and Crestron house. And, uh, I started to bring in the Microsoft teams rooms, zoom rooms, Google rooms with some of the clients, dependent on what their platform was.

So, you know, that was a great journey and I was with those guys for three, four years. Um, enjoyed all of that. Um, and then had a short time at Logitech again, another. Fantastic company, um, working, um, realistically started off on the Microsoft Alliance side of things, but ended up doing, uh, some strategic, uh, strategic direction work for, uh, the commercial team, uh, at the, uh, at that time, and then, um, got an interesting call about coming to Jabra, uh, and that was initially to set up Pre sales engineering team on the video side in North America under then President Kelly Nagel, great woman.

And, uh, she, uh, she asked if I'd help her set that side up. And then once that mission was accomplished, I'd move into the central part of the business where I am now. Um, and yeah, so currently in the video business unit and looking after all of our video products and the portfOllyo. Teams of product managers working super closely with R& D guys, and, uh, it's been fun because we've actually gone through quite a big restructure.

GN changed into 1GN, uh, so we've got centralized R& D team, obviously, the headsets that Jabra is super famous for, um, you've got, uh, The video side as well. So that's the enterprise division. There's a gaming division, which is steel series. I'm sure brandy familiar with. And then the huge and powerful hearing division, which is medical hearing devices, hearing aids, you know, super interesting what those guys are up to.

And yeah, we've talked 

Tom Arbuthnot: about that before with other people from Jabra of like the technology advances in the hearing and how that comes to the headsets and the other way around. Some of the headset techs gone over to the hearing techs really interesting. 

Olly Henderson: You know, I'm, I'm really lucky I've been invited to quite a few R& D leadership forums and we've actually got one in March and, um, what, what they're able to do now off, off hearing aids and, you know, really the ear is, uh, a portal into the overall health of the body.

It's fantastic. It's super edge of the, uh, edge of the ring sort of stuff. It's great. Um, so load of innovation comes out of that and we can take a load of learning. Some very clever people doing some very clever things. So yeah, I'm here at the moment, Copenhagen. Uh, wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen and head office in Ballarup and, um, we've got all of our general office space, but all the labs are back there, incredible anechoic chambers and some wonderful facilities here.

So, yeah, it's a real pleasure to come here. 

Tom Arbuthnot: I appreciate you giving us a little bit of history there because I feel like you bring a lot. that that history of being hands on working with different organizations. And I feel like our, our space is radically accelerated and changing. You said you did that kind of, you know, room systems thing for a while.

If you look at the last three or four years in our spaces, it's changed a lot with the, with the UCAS is kind of dominating and the new programs and all that kind of thing. 

Olly Henderson: Well, I think what's really. Interesting is that not 7, 8 years ago, you have a medium to large meeting room, say 12, 14 person meeting room and the ticket price on that was quite comfortably 60, 70, 80 grand, you know, to do customers would now expect for, uh, sort of 10 grants of the hardware, you know, and getting that installed.

So, um, and quite right with technology advancements. The bar of expectation is equal to those premium systems that were being sold back then. Um, and now people, uh, you know, want certainly a, a, a more, uh, cost effective, easier to deploy, uh, and more intuitive solutions. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Possibly the bar's even higher. It's like, oh, I'm expecting multi camera, I'm expecting framing, I'm expecting AI transcription.

And we got none of that back for the 80 grand seven years ago, as you say. 

Olly Henderson: No, but, um, and I think that's good because I think it pushes it, pushes us all forward. Uh, you know, Microsoft and zoom do do a great job with this new, uh, not new anymore, but the landscape that we're currently in where, uh, you know, we've got great competitors doing clever stuff, the guys that need the guys at lodgy.

Uh, so, you know, it helps us all to spur each other on and kind of look for the next edge, look for the next innovation, um, you know, which is really, um. Really exciting for our teams internally to see where we can go next and to see, um, how we can, uh, maintain that integrity and heritage of the Jabra brand that was associated with, with, uh, high quality personal audio moving into video after the acquisition of Altia systems, um, that became, uh, the Panacost range of products.

And then, um, you know, we're really starting to see 2024 had great growth for us. Uh, Panacost 50, which is our USB peripheral, which straps onto an MTRW or Zoom rooms for Windows, all deployed hugely in BYOD mode in a lot of organizations really started to, um, As one of our sales leaders, great, great guy in North America, Mark Darby, always used to say, he gets excited when a product starts to sell itself.

And the product started to sell itself. People had the brand recognition. They enjoyed what that product was doing. And we've been able to add quite a few more features to that. You know, I was going to 

Tom Arbuthnot: say something that stands out for me about Panacost 50 is. Having, you know, obviously following the space is how much got added to that device over its life cycle.

And like the, what you could do with the, you know, the intelligent speaker and with the whiteboard capture and, uh, I think your marketing team called them value packs, the firmware updates that you get, like, like this been significant things added to that through its life. 

Olly Henderson: No, you're exactly right. And those value packs, uh, you know, they fall into my team now.

Um, we're potentially looking at rebranding that because we know what a value pack is. I think a lot of people out there aren't quite sure, uh, what a value pack is. And I kind of bought that to the business. And so, yeah, we, we may look at a Jabra OS of sorts as we're moving, which we'll go into on a, on a, on a more Android focused path.

Um, so yeah, that's something that we're really, um, looking to. Kind of make a bit easier for the market to understand, and it's easier when you have new releases to brand it all up under an OS, um, and make it more digestible. But yeah, I think, uh, Aurangzeb, um, the gentleman who founded, uh, that video side of the business, always did have a vision, and Holger, my current boss, uh, who heads up our video business unit, he, uh, always had the vision that, You should be able to make your investment and keep reaping rewards off that investment.

So we're always looking to, uh, get more features and benefits into the products. Uh, sometimes they don't come as quick as we'd like. Sometimes our platform partners are, um, have a great vision of where they want to get to, but they've got to do their iteration as well. Tom, right? Um, so yeah, it's just the 

Tom Arbuthnot: interdependency between the platforms that everybody works with and what you can do on your own device as well as interesting.

Olly Henderson: Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, um, it's kind of best laid plans of mice and men, really. Um, you know, Microsoft especially, um, have some fantastic ideas and vision. So it's like, how can we help those? How can we help them to bring those ideas and vision to life, uh, with some uniqueness on the products? And I think that's where our mantra of, um, you know, AI is such a thing now.

Uh, and I was having a great meeting yesterday with a, with a, um, Partner, competitor, frenemy, uh, company, and um, AI in the video space has been around for a while. The way that viewing modes work, the way that machine learning, uh, and large language models interpret who's got the best view in the room.

That's not cutting edge to the video space, but now that AI is being talked about so broadly, it gets more of a focus. And I think what we're trying to do, mate, Is we're trying to maintain that edge AI. So we're still trying to put a hell of a lot of load onto the hardware so that the cloud and the infrastructure has a lighter load, more processing we can do with our clever stuff.

I think the better and slick of the experience will be all the way along the chain. You know, 

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah, yeah, no, it's really interesting. And, uh, what you can do with the compute is getting better and better as well. So the things you can do on edge are getting better and better because the compute overhead or the models are getting better with the compute, if that makes sense.

Olly Henderson: Yeah. So, you know, with that in mind, I think where, where, where we're looking, obviously current portfOllyo, um, still relatively slim. And one of my MOs is to build out that portfOllyo. So PanaCast 50 and PanaCast 50 VBS. Android bar. Um, they are both, you know, set for the medium room. Uh, both got medium teams from certification and medium zoom rooms.

So, um, you know, where do we go next? And I think pretty excited that at ISE we're bringing our, um, our new baby, uh, to the market. So it's a, uh, focus huddle and small room Android bar, Panacast 40 VBS. So the, the number represents the smaller room, 40 for small, 50 for medium, uh, leave some scope for other.

things into the future as well. Uh, so yeah, we've got a new Android bar coming to the market. Um, PanaCast 40 VBS, super excited about it. Still maintains that, um, 180 degree field of view that Jabra is so well known for. Doing that through two lenses now, advancements in lens technology, and also the algorithms, stitching algorithms that the team uses to make that, where those two cameras converge.

Uh, that dynamic stitch disappear so that there's not a line down the middle of the room. So that moves with the cameras. So, uh, some great innovation in there. Um, 

Tom Arbuthnot: And that's similar functionally to a 50 VBS, just a smaller form factor and certified for that kind of focus and huddle type scenario.

Olly Henderson: Absolutely. So, you know, there's definite differentiation there. The, uh, PanaCast 40 VBS is single display, which you would find more typically in those rooms. Um, it's got, um, a singular singular mono speaker as opposed to the stereo setup that we've got in P50. So there's a few fine differences, but they share a very similar architecture inside.

Yeah. We've, uh, we've elected to go with Qualcomm as our Android partner. Um, so for our SOCs. It's all a Qualcomm Red Thread, and that's helping our R& D guys iterate a lot faster. So they design a feature for one, say a new security patch or something like that, it rolls onto the other devices, and so on and so on, and future devices in our portfOllyo will remain, uh, with that Qualcomm.

Uh, red thread in it. So I think that's a great direction. They're a great development partner for us as well. Really love working with those guys and actually are, um, Ancona team. Uh, so our Android team in Ancona in Italy. Uh, those guys work super closely with Qualcomm and really sort of, uh, unlock the horsepower of those.

Processes that are in there. 

Tom Arbuthnot: So let's talk OS's then because you guys were early on the MDEP conversation with Microsoft as well. 

Olly Henderson: We were and you know, I think it's been a, uh, let's talk about the elephant in the room. It's been a long growth curve, a long growth cycle. I think the MDEP team, um. Yeah, I have a new her and co come a long way.

Loads of learning. Uh, we co developed certain areas of M debt. We really help those guys being over in Redmond. Um, dog fooding with them on panic us 50 VBS ready for our value pack three. Uh, which is, uh, coming to market in February, and that is when our devices turn to MDEP. So, there will be Android, uh, 13 MDEP.

Really excited by that. Um, I can see why it's such a bone of contention, positively and negatively in the market. I understand that, you know. Some of our competitors have got very elegant, sophisticated Android systems out there. And, um, there is a viewpoint that this is a bit of a fast forward. To get to, um, sort of, I wouldn't say feature parity because the features are there with the OEMs, but that security safety layer.

Yeah, kind of kind of 

Tom Arbuthnot: respect from the enterprise or I guess any business really of like, okay, trusted, trusted OS. 

Olly Henderson: Absolutely. And I, you know, a lot of the sales conversations that I'm still lucky enough to find myself in. And, you know, I insist that all of our product managers now get involved in a lot of sales conversations that ISE, our product managers will be doing the roadmap sessions.

You know what we hear, what we speak to. When you speak to an enterprise business that were like, Oh, yeah, we'd love enterprise. We'd love Android. It's just a bridge too far for us at the moment. It's just too many caveats. We've got to send off to our infrasec team, whatever the OS is for for for those bars.

When you change that conversation and introduce the concept of MDAP and say, well, Microsoft are looking after the majority of your enterprise environment, and you're happy with that. Yes, we are. Okay, so if we're now rolling that into the same rubber stamp on the MDEF Android side of the house, does that put your mind at rest?

Really viscerally see their ears prick up. This is good. This is a segue. This is something that we can get into. And, you know, when you twin that with an all in one, um, Of Panacast 40 VBS in those small rooms for 14. 99 for the bar only SKU, I think that's a pretty compelling package to suddenly get into a Teams rooms on Android or Zoom rooms on Android, which is obviously almost a weapon of choice for those guys 

Tom Arbuthnot: and you're lining up for the, um, the express install model, which is relatively new as we record this podcast, the idea of having a kind of A spec that's easy to install quick to plug in quick to deploy.

Olly Henderson: Yeah, I think, uh, memory serves me correctly. A lot of the product managers at Microsoft set themselves the challenge of getting a room stood up from a physical standpoint in an hour. How can how can one do that? I think it's a great challenge to throw down. I think there's been some fantastic innovation, um, from all parts of the spectrum.

You know, when you look at the, on the physical side, I think the guys at Salamander have done a great job with the Acadia stand that can go table side, good size screen on it. Um, and then, you know, I think we're lucky that in a lot of the press literature, the Jabra bars are being put up there. It seems to be a bit of a go to for the Express install runs.

So, uh, we're happy with that, but I think it's a great motion. I know that at Infocom last year. We had a few of the, um, Arcadia stands in our whisper suites, uh, showing every day and again, loads of customers like, Ooh, what is that? Oh, this is a self contained stand. You don't actually have to attach anything to the wall or the above.

So it's a real bonus when you look at the facilities, guys, and I was always shocked, Tom. Um, how much it costs to get something room ready. Without the hardware, just network power in the wall. I was like, Whoa, that's a lot of money, right? And then X that out over however many hundred rooms in an organization, uh, you can really see how important it is that these, um, archetypes of, uh, express install, uh, fall into place.

Yeah, I think it's really 

Tom Arbuthnot: interesting for the, for the customers that have those spaces. They now know everybody's. On video all the time so it's video first we want video in that room but we haven't got the budget to have like you say to do all that retrofits and and have a have an AV person come in and AV person has to be a day and the travel and all these things it's really getting to a good point where potentially you can have a more generalist person set that up and know it's going to be a good setup.

Olly Henderson: No I couldn't agree with you more and I think that it also plays into um. Another side, you're talking about cost, total cost of ownership, time dynamics, something that we focus on quite a lot, that our bars should be easy to deploy and quick to deploy, you know, Jabra Plus, our new management platform is going to have some great features coming out in 2025, which tackles a lot of that zero touch deployment.

I know with future facing bars, we're looking at different ways to. On board those guys into your environment so that it's super easy on PanaCast 40 VBS on the boxes that it comes in. There's little windows on the back so you can leave the devices in the box plug in power network. And start to kind of on board those guys and get those configured, um, on the pallet.

Yeah, a huge hats off to, uh, a lady called Mai on my team. You know, she, she helped with that process and there was some great vision. A lot of customer interviews, especially with our channel partners. So excited for that. Everything, every little helps in the speed of deployment, you know. And I'm a big, um, uh, sort of aggregate gains guy, if you can change 1 percent all the way along the stack, then, you know, it should be cheaper, faster to install all of the above.

And I think the other thing that's really interesting about, um, those. Express room, express install rooms that I've been talking to clients about. Obviously, you know, if you take your skyscraper in New York for a large fortune 500 company, you've got, um, let's say 50 rooms that are dedicated video rooms that they're happy to, you know.

Medium to large size rooms. They're happy to put their licensing cost into and they want all those feature rich elements. But in, um, especially if it's a team's house, there's probably 200 or so rooms on the edge of the building, huddle rooms and focus rooms where they definitely do want some video conferencing capability in there, but they might not want to put The, um, the room license to that, but they're happy with laptops and all the new features that teams are bringing on the, um, you know, user side.

Yeah, like Microsoft are really 

Tom Arbuthnot: investing in that BYOD experience. Now it's a bit of a turnaround from where we were a few years ago to BYOD is a reality for a lot of organizations. Let's make it as good as it can be. Like, and Microsoft will say teams room is still their premier experience. Like you say, but for those users who are going to use BYOD won't make it as.

As good as it can be with transcription with the proper stage. 

Olly Henderson: And I think that's super smart. And you know, I really take my heart off to, uh, to them for, for embracing that because, um, people should be able to digest, uh, their, their collaboration the way they would like to digest. They shouldn't be forced to take things in either way.

And I think this opens up the door quite nicely. And then I think, uh, you know, with, with things like room occupancy, uh, and, and room utilization coming through, Our Jabra plus platforms on say PanaCast 40 VBS plugged in in BYOD mode and they can start to see that rooms getting utilized loads, then they might want to just flip on that Android license straight away and, you know, turn it into a full blown teams or zoom room so I can see the absolute method in what they're trying to achieve.

I applaud them for it. I think BYOD is at its core such an interesting topic because it's it's kind of been the thing everyone tried to keep a little quiet for a while. Yeah. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah. 

Olly Henderson: Things are becoming more elegant. And you know, I was having a great day with one of our clients, one of the big four who, um, you know, they said, Olly, just look at the, look at the, um.

Look at the cross section of people that are in the organization and I felt like a dinosaur because literally everyone was like 20 to 30 and they were saying the propensity for these guys to want to move into a meeting room from their new all powerful laptops because all laptops seem to have really gone up a level, right?

Whether it's a MacBook or a, you know, a nice, we finally got Qualcomm 

Tom Arbuthnot: on our side. On the Windows side of the laptops as well, which I'm loving mine. It's like, and actually, you know, comparable to the Macs, which are great to be frank. 

Olly Henderson: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm running two at the moment. So I've got my MacBook and I've got this, uh, beautiful.

Uh, new X one carbon 13, which has got the light lunar lake processor in it and stuff like that. Fantastic bit of kit. So, but to that point, you've just got so much more horsepower available and these, uh, this younger demographic in the workforce. They are very happy just to walk in and operate off their laptop.

So they're looking for that single USB C cable with charging. 

Tom Arbuthnot: And USB C is the big unlock, isn't it? Because it was the fiddly cables of USB A, USB C, HDMI, VGA. Like, like we finally as an industry latched onto a port that's quite useful. 

Olly Henderson: Yeah, a hundred percent. And, uh, I think, you know, even as a. It's even for the iPhone to finally get it as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It 

Tom Arbuthnot: changes. And the teams on the iPad now can take an external camera and mic as well. So if you're rocking around with the iPad Pro, which a lot of execs are, suddenly BYOD works in that scenario. 

Olly Henderson: So I see BYOD and I see in our numbers and I see from the client conversations. Is definitely here to stay.

I think it grows in an element of power. I think Microsoft and zoom will continue to embrace it as part of an ecosystem that it comes to use cases. It comes to how people are using the rooms, digesting the rooms and you know, I definitely see a place if we can get the intelligence good enough with AI.

I'm self calibrating rooms and all of the above. Um, you know, do you even need the USBC cable at some point are because I think utopia is that you walk into a room. It auto senses that you're in the room. You open up your laptop, open your teams or zoom or Google client, whatever it may be. And it's just seeing the kit in the room.

And it's joining automatically 

Tom Arbuthnot: unless 

Olly Henderson: you tell it otherwise. For example, I can 100 percent see that being with us sooner rather than later. Um, so I think they'll, they'll be some interesting work around the touch panel in the room. How do we keep that relevant? Do we keep that relevant? Do we want to keep that relevant?

All of the above, you know, and the customer will drive that decision, you know, that's their decision to make and their actions will. Uh, drive that. And I'm sure that all the OEMs like Jabra, uh, and all the platform partners will start to work out what is going to be the best way for us to digest BYOD going forward.

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah, I appreciate your point of view on that. It's really interesting. And I'm having the same conversation with other people in our space as well. And it's interesting. But, you know, the first gen of MTRs didn't really have BYOD modes, and then it was the exception, and now it's more and more the norm.

You look at your VBS 50, the VBS 40, the P 50, they can all run MTR or BYOD, and you get the same camera and audio experience. 

Olly Henderson: Yeah, and I, you know, I mean, that's golden, right? Um, if you can get to that point. Interesting that we've got, uh, a new, uh, P 50 room system kit. Coming, um, probably towards the middle of the year with the new Lenovo, um, Gen 2, called Gen 2.

Um, You know, that that's very interesting because that has also got excellent, uh, BYOD capabilities on it as well. Or BYOM as they reference it. Uh, so you can take a Teams, the classic Teams rooms for Windows, Um, straight away plug in your USB C and you're up and running with a great BYOM meeting. So, it's, it's here to stay.

It's not being ignored. And I think, um, as I say, it's the customer decision. We're there to support them. We're there to remain agnostic. And how they would like to digest it is how we should continue to do so. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah, and like you said earlier, Horses of Courses as well, and the reality is not every room is getting MTR, like for those, those smaller rooms, but they might still want a nice.

Microsoft experience and all same same thing on the zoom side of the fence. I assume 

Olly Henderson: 100%. But I think what what's really interesting as well is as we look at different spaces on how spaces are digested. You know, you can probably see over my shoulder. We've got really open atriums and forums. So, um, lots of.

Really clever ways on how we can sit in open spaces and we've got, um, fortunately because of the hearing and the headset side of the business, we've got some clever innovation that we're looking at around oracast. So can you have a system on a car and then can you have one of our new range of headsets, which has got embedded oracast speaking to the MTR on the car?

So you've got like little audio bubbles and you could pass out six headsets to people. Sat in the room, not there yet, but corporate 

Tom Arbuthnot: side of this guy, basically 

Olly Henderson: pretty much. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. You'll see people like lunatics, like me, gesticulating screens and stuff like that. So, um, you know, that's really interesting.

There's, there's, there's so much innovation that AI is able to bring us. Um, and then it's also just gotta be simple. It's just gotta be simple and so easy to use. Because I think, uh, all OEMs are guilty and ourselves included of bringing maybe some great features and the platform guys to an extent bring some great features, but if they're not easy to enable, they won't get adopted.

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah. 

Olly Henderson: Things have got to be super easy to enable. You know, so, yeah, I'm pretty excited for that's all more on the software and experience side of the house, right? Hardware side. We've got, uh, obviously P40 VBS being released this year. Uh, we've got some other innovation in small rooms that hopefully maybe should come with us in 25, if not early 26.

And then we're also, uh, you know, tackling the large room problem, which Jabra is not really being able to feature in at the moment, but, you know, pretty excited to be looking at some good technologies. A lot of IP based solutions, uh, which I personally think is the no brainer, the only way that it will all go.

And I know a lot of our competitors are looking at it that way as well. But to be able to just have network drops wherever you need audio or video at any point around the room. Smart cameras that start to work out who's speaking, active zones of interest, areas of interest, and they start to do the switching themselves, you know, this is where we, we all need to get to sooner rather than later.

Tom Arbuthnot: Awesome. Well, I appreciate you giving us a little sneak of, uh, a what you're thinking about in our space is always really interesting and where you're going with the hardware and software as well. Look forward to catching up in person next week and maybe having a drink and a proper catch up. We might, 

Olly Henderson: we might, uh, find time for a cheeky beer, mate, without a doubt.

Awesome. Well, thanks. Thank you so much for having me, mate. 

Tom Arbuthnot: Yeah, and I appreciate you taking the time and, uh, yeah, let's jump on again soon and, uh, get your view of the world again. It's really interesting. 

Olly Henderson: Absolutely. Love it, Tom. Thank you, mate. And keep the good work up. It's great stuff. Awesome. Thanks, Olly.

Cheers.