"Your symptoms are NOT in your head" - Preventing illness and reducing medication with Dr. Efrat Lamadre

This week, Rita is joined by Dr. Efrat Lemandre, a Family Nurse Practitioner who owns and operates her own Family Medical practice, and recently went viral on TikTok. 

Dr. E is committed to helping everyone understand that their symptoms are not in their head, and what to do when you're body feels "not right". 

Join us as we discuss:

• Traditional medicine and functional medicine
• How to treat issues before becoming ill 
• Why you should trust your gut and the signs your body are showing you
• Lifestyle changes you can make to live a healthy life

Find out more from Dr. E here: https://efratlamandre.com/

Rita is a health and fitness coach who specialises in helping women over 40 to be healthy and wealthy, through weight loss and/or business coaching. Find out more here 👉 https://thehealthandfitnesscoach.com

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Transcript

Hello and welcome to today's episode of the health collective podcast. Now today I'm talking with Efrat, them on Dr. Dr. E, who is the founder of the new method, where she from a traditional medical background, now works with patients to finally realise that their symptoms and not just in their head, she helps people essentially prevent illness, reduce medication, and feel better by getting to the root cause of their illness. And she talks about this in more detail in her book called, it's not in your head, your body doesn't feel right, but you don't know why. In today's episode, we really look at the foundations of what functional medicine truly is, and how to understand if you are chronically inflamed, and certain lifestyle methods that you can change to get on top of this inflammation. Before digging deeper, we really look at why traditional medicine, although super helpful when we are ill already is not so helpful. If we're pre diabetic or pre hypertensive. What we look at is how functional medicine can prevent becoming ill because it's only at the point of being ill that you can really get put in the medical system. So if you have been feeling tired, brain fog stiff, or any other chronic symptom that's been going on for a long time, then this is the episode for you. Now if you need any more help in your body inflammation, weight loss, toning, or acceptance, then feel free to get in touch with us head to the website, www dot the health and fitness coaching.com. Enjoy Calypso.
So today, as I mentioned, we are welcomed by a fret LEM Andre, who I am going to refer to as Dr. E moving forward, because why wouldn't you when someone's got such a cool student in to work under. So first of all, welcome to everybody listening, and welcome to yourself. Dr. E. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Thank you for having me.
It was our pleasure, thank you for taking the time out of your day. And before we really start to delve into some of the areas of expertise and topics that we want to sort of focus on today. Could you give us maybe a little bit of your background? A lot of people may already be aware of you. But it would be great to understand a little bit about you your background and what led you to founding the new method, what led you to really writing your books and, and the thoughts and ideas of what you espouse today.
Thank you, I'd love to do that. And I promise not to make it boring, because no one wants a boring intro. So I started off with a primary care practice. So just think of your GP. And I was seeing patients just like, you know, I was taught to see patients, and I would have many patients come in and say hey, I don't feel good. And I will do exactly what I'm supposed to do. I would run the labs, and they will come out perfect. And I would say what's your fine. And I will say that for years, and I never realised that how disempowering it was because I really thought everything was fine. And then, you know, I had no further tools to help people. And eventually what happened and this happens to most of us who are in this vortex is either you yourself get sick, or someone that you love gets sick. And in my case, my wife got sick. And we went on a journey. And I'm in medicine, she's in medicine, our friends are in medicine, and we had no answers in medicine. So we started looking elsewhere. And that is how we got to you know, I call it the vortex because once it's like a rabbit hole, right, once you go in, you're all the way in. And we found our solutions to her autoimmunity through functional medicine. And then I realised there was so much more that I didn't know. And I started going back to school taking one class after the other, eventually getting my PhD in integrative medicine. And then I brought it back to my patients and develop the new methods. So the the new method, it's called the new method newest call with a que because the patients always know you always know there's a better way either there's another answer, you just have this feeling you know something's up. So it's the new and the reason I call it a method because I'm still coming from a place of evidence based practice and conventional medicine and I like things to be as objectively measured as possible so I could gauge improvement, etc. So that's where the name came from. It came from the patient's knowing but then eventually me catching up and realising Yes, there is there is a better way.
Absolutely. And I love the fact that you were from a medical perspective, and I use this word, not lightly but you were humble enough to be aware that there was more that you could bring to the People, and probably one of the things that a lot of people, obviously you're in states, I'm in the UK, but there is a similarity in western medicine that says the doctor is always right. And you must listen to the doctor. And there is a hierarchical sense that when you walk into a medical practice, you as the patient are at a lesser intellectual awareness of what's happening. So often people can maybe feel scared or nervous or unsure about voicing their own thoughts when the doctor says, Well, this is what the facts say. So do you find that now that you started to look at more of a functional perspective, that people come to you with a different sense to people open up to you more? Are they more honest with you? What's the relationship between you and the patients like, now that you've started to explore different areas?
So yeah, I'll tell you about the relationship with my patients. But I'll also give your listeners kind of a tip of how to manage this feeling of, you know, you're right, there is a there, there is kind of a knowledge hierarchy, not not just with doctors, right. If you go to a lawyer's office, if you go to a pharmacy, anywhere you go, some people went to school and the people listening, I'm sure if I went into your industry, maybe you deal with mortgages, maybe you deal, you know, I'm sure your area of expertise, you can only know so much. So I first want to empower patients don't get mad at the system. And don't get mad at your providers. No one went to school with a desire to hurt or to be malicious. Alright, so they only know what they know. So I always tell my patients a futile feel, well, you must start with your GP. Or you must start with your PCP here in the States, because you have to rule out the biggies, right? Don't don't run to the functional medicine diagnosis, like adrenal fatigue, and maybe it's more, make sure you're not anaemic, make sure your thyroid is on point, make sure you don't have a pathology going on. So your your relationship with your PCP is his or her job is to make sure you're not sick. So if you're not sick, you're walking out and says everything was good. That's great. That's great news, right. So don't be upset, don't be mad at them. Don't say I can't believe you don't know, when I saw this thing online, use their tools. And then you have to go and find someone like me or like you, who was going to use a different set of tools. But I'm sure that when you take on a client like myself, I won't take on a client that hasn't already been through several medical providers, I need to know that they left no stone unturned, I need to make sure that they did their screenings, and everything was done so. So do all that, you know, an NB be empowered, that there's nothing wrong, and then what you're in is you're in the world of something's cooking. And when you're in the world of something's cooking, you may not be able to see it on the lab. But now you need someone like myself, or like you who's going to go digging deeper. And so when I sit with my patients of the new method, it's an hour long consult. And this is how the rhythm always goes, they come in, and they talk really, really, really, really fast, because they're so used to have like five minutes to like, tell their story. So they tell the story really fast. And we're like, okay, you've got that out. Now we're gonna start from the beginning, we are not in a rush, and we go back from the day they were born. And we because it is, it's, it's your entire life, just like it's in your entire body, right is your entire life, it's your entire body. It's not just what happened since menopause. It's not just what happened since COVID. It's not ever since the divorce, it actually started before that. So you know where my relationship with my patients is such that I create an environment to allow that. But your GP can't do that the constraints of conventional medicine don't allow it and it also doesn't change the tools that they have. So just like you call a plumber for plumbing, and electrician for electric, go to your GP for the sickness and then look elsewhere for the wellness and to discover the underlying issues that you feel in your gut are happening.
I love that. And it's about understanding where to go for the the response. It's appropriate at that point. And before we dig a little bit deeper into that functional medicine, because I think it's something that we probably need to explain as to what that actually means. You mentioned you know, don't get mad if you've for instance as an example seeing something online or you have a thought now, do you mind if I ask how long have you overall been in medicine
overall? So I've opened my my original practice 10 years ago, and then the new method was in like the in the past five years.
Okay, so in the last 10 years, we've seen you huge advances in people's ability to use technology. And I mean this from a very lay perspective, that, especially with the pandemic, we all got forced into this environment, right? We don't go to each other studios anymore, we just meet up online. Have you found a difference in people's attitudes or perspectives of their body and medicine since Google became the second doctor?
Yes. And, you know, I'm sure many of my colleagues would say that it's not a good thing that people have this because there is this there is like, understanding it halfway. But I think the key is not whether or not patients have information, I think it's wonderful that they have information, because it brings things to the table that maybe we would not have considered. I think the key is in how it's presented in the attitude it's presented, right. So and this is true, not just a medicine, like you just, you're just not going to walk into someone's place of business and just say, You're doing everything wrong, right? It's just not you don't want someone coming to your place within this, wherever that is, or your home and saying, Hey, everything you're doing is ridiculous. You're, and you're doing it with under a consumer like conspiracy, right? So it's really in the presentation, right? I love that patients are empowered, because they might say, hey, what do you think about this? And I'll say, Huh, that's a possibility. Let's explore that. Or maybe I need to tell you why it's not that because that will also give you some satisfaction. And if I can say to you, listen, it could be that, but if you need to see this, this, this and this, and that's not what's happening, right. So let me let me give you an example of both sides. I have a lot of patients who say, I really, really think I have a thyroid issue. And I went to my GP and I don't have a thyroid issue. And then I'll say, well, let's dig a little deeper, right. So on the one hand, it's the let's dig deeper, and then we do different testing. And in fact, they have a thyroid issue cooking, right? So that's an example of the patient who's like, you know, my mom has thyroid, I feel like I have all the symptoms, I read it all online. And then I come you come to me, and I see all the things. And I'm like, right, your GP just doesn't test for certain things. You're right. Same same scenario, a patient says, Listen, I have all the symptoms, I really think I'm fine. I read all this. And I'm like, Listen, I'm, I've tested every possible test, I went way, way, way deeper than the GP, I'm letting you know, I just had this conversation. I'm letting you know, it's 100%, not your thyroid. And I encourage you to now let's look at all their possibilities instead of being tied into this. And sometimes that takes work as well. But I'm able to say, you know, like, let me show you what's different, and how, and how my testing is that I can 100% tell you, it's not your thyroid. So the same information, right? It just it just sometimes it could lead you in one path. But sometimes it can really block you I'll have patients who can come say, you know, I and they've connected things, this happened. And and this happened, and this happened. And I'm sure it is because of that. And I'm like, Well, let's take a step back. And maybe we look at things differently. So sometimes it locks you in to a diagnosis, the client, the patient isn't so sure that this is the thing. And sometimes that stands in their way of actually seeing the thing. So as long as you're coming to it, open minded, hey, what explore it. And then as as you know, professionals, we need to be open minded also and say, Yeah, let's explore that as well. I think it actually can help us get to brand new places.
I love that I think that's a really interesting way of looking at how the tools that are being created. And I can foresee in medicine, that AI for instance, you know, I I've already had clients ask chat TPT you know, these my symptoms, what could be wrong with me, right? So people are already trying to expand into those areas, but seeing it as a help and an empowerment rather than a hindrance or a threat, I think is a fantastic. Oh, yeah.
If you're going to be scared of technology, or you need to close up shop.
I completely agree. So you mentioned your wife, and that you're both in medicine and your friends are in medicine and medicine is that nothing was wrong. And this was a starting point for you was
Have I got that right? Well, in her case, it wasn't nothing's wrong with her case it was it was only medication can help it.
Okay. So for those people who may be the labs coming up saying, Hey, you're good. There's no medication. This is very black and white, but they know that something's not right. And this is where functional medicine comes in. So could you give us a bit more of an expanded idea of what that truly means? Absolutely.
So the name of my book, which is behind me here, it's called. It's not in your head, right? Because this is a classic scenario. Classic scenarios. I don't feel good. other things, or if I'm not sleeping well, and fatigue, I'm having trouble losing weight, brain fog, my joints, my joints hurt me. I mean, there must be something wrong. I mean, I just don't feel like myself, right. So we do everything right, we get our mammograms, get a colonoscopy, we get pap smears, we get our prostate check for men, we go to the GP we do all these things, everything comes back normal, maybe a little cholesterol, something, something that doesn't really explain why you're not feeling so unwell. And then the provider says to, you know, maybe you just need to exercise more, maybe just drop a few pounds, right as if it was so easy, and then sends you on your way. Or you might be like, I'm not accepting that and you go for more testing, and you go for more testing, and you go the rheumatologist and now becomes a point where they start to insinuate there may be to your anxiety, or maybe to hormones, or maybe it's in your head, right? They don't actually say that you're crazy. But you know, if you keep pushing and everything comes back normal, you're they're going to start saying maybe we need some antidepressant, anti anxiety medication, it's an insinuation that to a certain degree, it's it's in your head. And so, again, to their tools, everything is fine. And the issue really is and you're right, this is where functional medicine comes in, is that the labs become abnormal, once you're already sick, right? So if you're have diabetes, you're going to come up positive for diabetes, right? When you have eaten your way there for many, many, many years. But on the way to diabetes, for those years prior, you're not going to feel well read, I always use this as an example. Because people can relate to this, you're not going to feel well for many years, and you might go every year and get your sugar check and it's fine. You know, maybe a little pre diabetes, but it's fine, your sugars, fine, everything's fine. But you know, that on the if today I got diagnosed, certainly for the past 10 years, I'm sure I've had certain symptoms, but the labs didn't show it. That's true for autoimmunity, too. I may have these aches and pains. And I really look like maybe a rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis or something else. But when I go to rheumatology, those labs are normal. And that's because I haven't been sick long enough to convert those numbers. Right. So it's actually called zero negative, right? It says your serum is negative, but you have the symptoms. So conventional medicine cannot help you until those numbers turn positive, because they cannot give you medication, which is their only tool until they have proof on black and white, that you want this medication. So you're on your own. And you have to come back when things are worse. If you went to neurologists, for your brain fog, or your memory issues and really having trouble remembering things, you're going to pass the neuro tests because the neuro test is for very, very young people with extreme dementia, you're going to pass on their brakes, and they'll say there's nothing we can do come back. So you have to be ill to be in the system. So what happens to all of us who are just not well, but are not ill? This is where functional medicine really thrives, because it's just understanding still all evidence base, it's still using as much data and objective measures as possible. But understanding that the symptoms count, I can't sleep, there's a reason if my joints hurt, there's a reason. I don't really need to see it on paper to let me give me the validation that I have something right. If I look like a rheumatological picture, if I look, my joints hurt, am I does it matter? That's not let me know, because I'm not going to try to give you medication, I'm going to say to you, okay, if you're not feeling well, at the heart of it has to be inflammation. What is the cause of your information? And then we spend time digging in on is the cause of inflammation in nutrition? Is it your lack of sleep? Is it because you're exposed to something? Is it because your hormones are imbalanced? And so now we start looking at causes of inflammation, which caused your I don't feel good itis. And the beautiful thing is, if we find it, we can prevent you from ever becoming sick from ever getting that positive, right? So it's a whole it's a way of understanding that the symptoms really, really count, something's up and something's causing it. And then looking for those root causes.
It's really interesting how you speak about this two different types of medicine and essentially, the functional medicine is preventative, whereas traditional medicine is essentially looking at a cure once you've already gone through into that you're now Ill enough to actually warrant medication. So from the preventative side, the functional thing, okay, let's find the cause so that we can prevent it ever getting to that stage. What are most of I guess you could call them the prescriptions, but on most of the solutions that you would provide at that stage, lifestyle based, you know, for instance, whether it be prediabetes bring mean sugar levels down? Whether it's, you know, inflammation in the gut and changing nutrition? Would you find that they're mainly lifestyle based solutions? Or does medication still come into play at that preventative point?
So really good question. Because what I was going to say is, many times, we're actually need both worlds. So let's give some easy examples. If I come in, and I already have hypertension, I already have high blood pressure, I would certainly not tell you to come off the blood pressure medication, if you're on diabetes, medication stay on, if you're an anti anxiety medications, stay on it, there'll be there will be crazy to tell you to come off of it. But the goal would be to see, what can we do to maybe get you to a point where we can reduce medication, or come off medication, and at the same time preventing from needing medication, right. So sometimes you need both. And sometimes you you know you depends where you where you are in the spectrum. So you can be very early on in your spectrum where you just don't feel good, but nothing's really the wheels aren't falling off yet. And sometimes you're further along in the spectrum where you haven't been feeling good for a long time. Now you're already on two or three medications. So you're going to need both, it really depends on where you are in your journey. So it's not a promise of you'll never need medications again. But it is a promise of the let's make you the best version that you are right now. So maybe to to help you either come off or not need medication. So lifestyle changes, yes, but in a very, in a really specific way. So if the if you were looking for, you know, inflammatory, what is the cause of inflammation, it's not going to be like, Hey, I just need you to lose 10 pounds, it's going to be like, hey, what's happening in your nutrition, that is causing your maybe leaky gut and inflammation. And when we change your nutrition, so that the inflammation goes down, by the way, you'll also lose 10 pounds, but you can lose 10 pounds and not reduce your inflammation, right? Like I can eat 10 chocolate bars a day and not eat anything else, I'll probably lose some weight because I really won't eat a lot of calories, but I will do nothing for my inflammation. Right? So you know, weight loss, while it's it's important in and of itself may not reduce your inflammation, she'll telling someone, hey, just lose 10 pounds might not make a difference at all on well, they feel telling someone, hey, maybe we need to go gluten free and dairy free. Maybe we need to eliminate lagoons for a while, maybe we need to focus on what things are agitating your system that is going to bring down inflammation or while your belly is a mess, maybe we need to really personalise some supplements to make sure that your belly is healed and bring down inflammatory markers. So it is it is lifestyle based, but it is really targeted on what is causing the patient inflammation.
Okay, so let's expand a little bit more on that word inflammation. So our listeners, regular listeners will have heard me talk about inflammation, till I'm blue in the face from a health and lifestyle perspective. And I talk about it both from someone who has suffered from arthritis and use nutrition to heal and help a lot of the symptoms. But equally from the perspective of the body, he struggles to shed excess pounds if it's in a highly inflamed state. So from your perspective, as a functional medic, what would you how would you describe inflammation? And what are the causes that can then happen from a physiological state if your body is inflamed? Okay,
excellent question. So there's two kinds of inflammation, one that we absolutely need, which is acute inflammation. I fall down, I hurt myself, my ankle gets swollen, that is really important. That is how we heal. The area kind of sequesters this area like injured. It brings a whole bunch of soldiers inflammatory markers to the area to heal it as much as possible. It gets really hot and uncomfortable for a while, and then it goes away problem solve acute inflammation very necessary to how we stay alive. The problem becomes when we have this constant, chronic inflammation, but it didn't hit myself. I wake up in the morning and feeling really stiff. I didn't hit my knees. Why am I feeling so stiff? That is chronic inflammation. It's your body's responding to something and it is constantly mounting an inflammatory response because it thinks it needs to it thinks you need it. It thinks you need inflammation something's happening right? There's something on board that really was requiring your immune system to be extra vigilant and create this inflammation. But you haven't figured out why it creating this vigilance. So all you're getting remember I told you about that ankle. That ankle hurt you for a few days, but then it went away but all you're getting is this constant pain, pain or this constant rash service. So it's right eczema or just constant brain fog. That's neuro inflammation. So you have this constant state of inflammation. And you don't really know why now, it's not a level 10 attack, right? Like I have the flu, I'm like mounting a fever. It's a consistent level three, four attack that's happening all day, every day. And so my body has to respond to that all day, every day, this information is going to affect your weak spots, if you're genetically designed to have a thyroid issue that will show up in your thyroid, if you're genetically designed to have joint issues show up in your joints. So the same inflammation, same markers will create different diseases and different people. But at the root cause of every single disease is a state of inflammation. It's just expressed differently in different people, which is why you might say, How could it be that your changing lifestyle works for everyone? Because it's not it's not disease oriented, right? It's information oriented. Conventional medicine is disease oriented, you need high blood pressure medication, need diabetes medication, but we're going level before and saying, Let's manage inflammation, so it doesn't express in a disease. So that is what inflammation is. Let me pause here for a moment.
I love the very specific sort of way that you explain the two different types of inflammation because Absolutely, into a sense, pain in an acute sense is good. It's a message that says, hey, something's wrong, you got to fix that, you know, move your hand from the fire, don't burn yourself. So sometimes pain isn't always bad, as long as we listen to the message, and we do what we need to do to respond to that chronic inflammation. How would someone know if they work from it clean, inflamed, because in today's society, most people squat things off. And what I mean by that is, oh, well, I'm tired. But that's because I worked. Or I'm, I have no energy because of the kids. Or oh, yeah, I'm a bit stiff, but I'm just getting old. Right? So when we have these chronic underlying level three, four issues, most of the time, we just kind of put it down to, that's something I've got to accept about myself. And that's mainly because I don't know if you find it in the States, but in the UK, there is a culture of just shut up and get on with it. So how would you help someone understand if they need to shut up and get on with it? Or if there's truly something that is an underlying issue?
Such a good question. So you don't need to shut up and get on with it. You know, just because you're not shutting up and going on with it doesn't mean you're also all day long whining about it, right? Like, you know, it's not one or the other, right? Like, if I just don't complain about it, then I you know, won't be perceived as weak. No, that's, that's, those are not your only two options. Okay, so let's, let's say this, you're right. Culturally, I think in a lot of modern societies, it's more and more and more, do more and more don't complain. The other not only is it more and more, do more, but everyone around you is not feeling well. So instead of saying, Well, maybe all of us are inflamed. Maybe all of us are eating wrong. Maybe auto all of us could feel better. We say, Oh, this must be what it's like to be 40 because everyone was 40 is not feeling this must be normal for 50. Because my friends are all on one medication. I'm on one medication, this must be 50. So not only have we normalised not complaining about it, but we've normalised that now feeling good is age related. And when we see the outlier, that seven year old, that's still golfing or tennis, like well, I don't know that that's crazy. No, that's the norm. That's the achievable norm of what your body can do when you don't constantly introduce it to things that cause inflammation. That is all possible. Just stay the course that you're designed to, if you didn't introduce all these like chemicals and, and staying up at night to get your work done and the stress and all these things right so, so we've normalised like complaining, we've normalised not feeling well, we've connected it to age. And if we are brave enough to complain about it, we get shut down and in the first visit, so really, how do you blame people for like coming to the conclusion that this is just normal, they have to you have to hit a wall and I notice is my patients to my patients are coming in my clients are coming in, and they're just kind of sorta not feeling good. They're not quite ready to do the steps they need to do to get better. But when they really it starts affecting their daily living, they're not able to play with their kids or their grandkids it's affecting their relationships affecting their job, and now they're willing to do what it takes. So it's not just not it works in in the sense of people are not willing to give up what they need to give up. If they're also not, haven't been unwell long enough. Does that make sense? How People know if they're inflamed. If you don't feel good, you're inflamed. If you have brain fog, you're inflamed. If you're stiff, you're inflamed. If you have rashes, you're inflamed. If you're taking medications, you are, of course inflamed. If you're not feeling the way you know, you can feel you're inflamed whether or not you want to do something about it, that's on you. But you're in Flint, you don't need a test for
that doing something about it. And to sort of finish up, what I want to do is look at probably the key chronic issue that our listeners have, which is lack of energy. So let's take a classic. If I looked at a classic example of one of our listeners, maybe this might be you listening out there, you're maybe 4849. And you've got three kids who are sort of 1614 and 12. They're constantly needing taxing around to the various different extracurriculars that they do. And you've got a husband who you love dearly, but he doesn't really do a lot around the house, you're working 4550 hours a week, you've got a mom in a care home, who you're also trying to look after you've got friends who have got all of their problems that you're constantly listening to. And the only time you feel that you could relax is maybe 10pm At night, when you finally sit down to just binge on Netflix, and suddenly it's midnight, and then you're waking up at seven. So you think well, I've had seven hours sleep, but you've feel horrendous, I was going to use a different four letter word there, but you feel awful. And you just can't get out of bed. And this low energy has now been going on for two, three years, as this classic example, is something where the obvious answer is, hey, do less stuff go to bed earlier, feel better? Or if this really low energy has been going on for a few years? Is there a secondary inflammatory issue that this woman might need to look at? Beyond what I guess we could all perceive as the obvious? Okay,
so there's a few levels to that. And I'm not going to be the person to tell you to do less stuff, because it's not realistic. Your mom's in the home, your kids need you. Your job needs your job need to put in his hands, so telling people to do less? That's not really the answer. Because that'd be like, Okay, thank you for this podcast. Goodbye. Right. So there's a few parts here. What you didn't talk about is what this woman ate all day. Okay, so as she's rushing she's is she going through the drive thru eating the kids chicken nuggets, because she didn't have a moment for it. You know, having some sort of pizza or pasta or something like that. That was a quick lunch. And then when she feels down, she's grabbing a Starbucks and like another I don't even have that. That's popular. We are Starbucks, but she got me a cup of coffee and a cookie at 4pm. Like, what is happening for her nutritionally? How is she filling up her gas tank? That's really important. Because if you expect to do all these things, and I am not want to say to do less, if you saw my schedule, you would pass out. I'm a fan of doing more. But how are you fueling your race car? That's number one. How are you feeling it? So what are the choices that you're making? Nutritionally? And I don't mean to I do not cook. So I could do this on the run. You can have grilled chicken everywhere these days, even when these like, even I don't know if there's one of these in the UK, but like even fast food places have. You know, it doesn't mean that you have to cook things. It's nice if you can, it doesn't mean you have to meal prep. It's nice if you can, but you don't have to Don't you know, that's not where I'm going out what I'm going with? Second thing is how so? So putting in the gaps next year saying is there another source of information, maybe maybe another source of information, but let's just say that there is how we treat that source. And let's just say she's also has adrenal fatigue, let's just say she also has some mould toxicity. Let's just say she also has, you know, some sort of parasitic infection. At the end of the day, we're still going to come back to but how is your how are you managing your body? If you say to me, Hey, I have mould in, you know, I've been exposed to mould, I'm still going to have to fix you nutritionally, and your sleep and your stress before I can even detox you from mould. So you can't skip these bars. You can't say, You know what, I don't think it's that it can't be as easy as I'm not sleeping and I'm not eating, it must be something more. Because even if there is something more, no one can actually take care of that until you get this right. And by getting this right, you're going to cut down at least 50% of the symptoms even have that other thing. Right, so So people sometimes get so caught up in the chase of finding out what it is. But at the end of the day, if you're working with a provider that knows what they're doing, we're gonna Start here anyway. What are you putting in the gas? Are you going to the bathroom? If you are not pooping at least once a day, and you're just filled with like all your toxic waste? Where are we going? Right? Is your seven hours of sleep quality sleep? Or, you know is your cat running around and your dog running around and your husband is snoring and like you're really not getting Samaras, the TV's on, like what is happening during those seven hours? Are you really worried about your teenagers coming in at two o'clock in the morning? Like what's happening in those seven hours? Are you moving? I'm not saying exercise, because that's not possible for everyone. But it is possible to put on your shoes and take a walk outside for 10 minutes. Nothing half hour. I'm not saying an hour if you could do more, God bless. But everyone should be able to have 10 minutes, are you if you don't have 10 minutes, tell me enough 10 minutes, park your car a little farther. Like there's ways to get movement in your day. So do we have the basics onboard? And yes, Life is stressful. But are you spending any time distressing? Are you taking two minutes to sit in your car and take deep breaths? Didn't say join a meditation class didn't say go to yoga, right? Nothing unrealistic? Like it's about finding things that are realistic? Are you taking the two minutes in your car before you pick up your kids to just inhale and exhale? Because that takes like 60 seconds, right? And they said two minutes. So 120 seconds. So are you doing the basic, basic basic, so that you can be the best of the best and all these places you want to be? Right now if you have luxury of getting some of these things off your plate, great. But I want to make you the best of the best in your reality, using the things that have you have going on in your life so that you can continue being this way. So we have to start with the basics. After you have the basics born like sometimes I'll have agents will come and listen, I do the thing I sleep. I'm gluten free, dairy free, I eat this eat, then I'm taking these supplements. Look, I'm on point, I still don't feel well. That's when we start hunting to go for it. Because now I can actually work on helping you now I can your body can handle the detoxification or different supplements etc. So this is where we have to start for everyone. I know it's the boring answer, but it really is the only way to do it.
For me, it's just a relief. For one episode. I'm not the one thing that I'm not the one saying unfortunately, we have to understand in this Amazon Prime society where we expect to spend a few bucks get a pill delivered the next day and fix all of our problems within few seconds. That actually the consistency of habit. And looking after that engine that body is so key before we can really start to delve any deeper because we are all looking for that silver bullet but still feel it won't work if it has nowhere to actually sort of house itself. So I appreciate you taking that consistent of me for one, I suppose. So. That's the thing. Say thank you so much for your time today. It's been absolutely fascinating talking with you. And as always for those listening if you'd like to get in touch with Dr. E. All of her details will be in the podcast episode details. So feel free to go and check her out and everything that she does. But absolutely massive. Thank you from me to everyone for listening. I hope you've found today's episode as enjoyable as I have. And thank you so much, Dr. Eve for giving up your time to be with us today.
It was an honour and a pleasure. Thank you.
Thank you so much. All right. I'll see you all on the next episode.